Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to Greta rich countries have to pay reparations for the ancestral crime of bringing industry, roads, hospitals, schools and comfort in old age to the world.
WATCH: Greta Thunberg Claims West Owes Colonised Countries a ‘Historical Debt’ to Drastically Cut Emissions
VICTORIA FRIEDMAN 6 Nov 2021
Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg has implied that the West owes a “historical debt” to countries in the Global South to drastically reduce carbon emissions due to the legacy of colonialism.
Speaking at a Fridays for Future youth protest in Glasgow, Scotland, on the fringes of the United Nations COP26 climate conference, 18-year-old Thunberg said: “The climate and ecological crisis, of course, does not exist in a vacuum. It is directly tied to other crises and injustices that date back to colonialism and beyond.
“Crises based on the idea that some people are worth more than others and therefore have the right to exploit others and steal their land and resources.”
The teen climate activist continued by implying that the climate crisis cannot be solved without confronting these “injustices”, saying: “It is very naive of us to think that we can solve this crisis without addressing the root cause of it.”
She then alluded to the West, using the increasingly popular term ‘Global North’ to describe the developed world — compared to the ‘Global South’, which is also being used more frequently in recent years to discuss climate change and ‘decolonising’ the alleged crisis — having a “historical debt” to the countries it colonised, which she says are on the “front line” of the “climate crisis”.
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Read more (includes video): https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/06/teen-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-brands-cop26-failure-pr-exercise/
Greta, as a resident of a former colony of the “global south”, you are welcome to send me climate reparations. I’m sure if you contact Anthony we can figure out how you can get the cash to me.
I’m sure other WUWT readers have historic grievances which require reparations. Make sure you list your grievances below, so Greta understands your need for climate cash.
For the most part, former British colonies are doing well.
It’s the French and Spanish colonies that are basket cases.
Not that they were doing all that well prior to being French and Spanish colonies.
Send them all a bill for infrastructure and development of the colony, then tell them we’ll pay their debt out of that.
Adjusted for inflation of course.
And include the value of all western-originated inventions and benefits including electricity, autos, planes, phones, computers, eyeglasses, medicines etc. etc.
Greta is the dumbest child in Europe – maybe the world.
NO. She is clever cunning dishonest scam promoter jumping on a highly lucrative extortion racket band wagon.
Maybe?????? Let’s not beat about the bush where she is concerned!!!
Almost certainly the most exploited by her parents.
and the IPCC. I always seek out a teenaged high school dropout when I need cogent scientific and economic recommendations.
If only she had attended school…
Exactly. Any decent accounting will show the rest of the world has been carried along by the West, such that the ROW poor are now living better than those in the West were before the “Industrial Revolution”.
“For the most part, former British colonies are doing well”
They were indeed doing very well, but then something happened and they, like us, imported political correctness and identity politics.
Semantic games. They imported and exported political congruence (“=”); progressive corruption, confusion, etc.; and diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment) including color blocs (e.g. people of color), sexism, ageism, and other class-based bigotry, under a Twilight faith and Pro-Choice (i.e. ethical, relativistic) religion. One step forward, two steps backward.
At the risk of being censured, but is white not a “colour”??? Are we not ALL coloured??? Not sure I like this colour-prejudice being displayed openly in the MSM etc.!!!
White is the almagam of ALL colours. Black is the absence of colour.
Not in people. Melanin, a skin pigment, determines white, yellow, brown, black, etc. Melanin protects skin from UVB in sunlight.
Mark …. Canada was doing okay but we are now cursed by a prime minister with the IQ of a turnip! Commie lite socialists in the eastern part of the country keep voting the clown in 🙁
Urbane heat… social islands.
Socialist Islands. Look up how the rabbit warrens of big cities always vote, even in the face of clear and convincing evidence they’re on the road to hell.
Goebbels taught that fifty repetitions without questioning was enough to have state conditioning not just on the topic being conditioned but across the board. I would love to have the figure for how may repeats of “we must pay the indulgences to the cult church of climate change and their high priests climate scientists” with not one article saying why for each of the major UK media sources.
Absolutely! here’s the map of election results for Toronto. The city only goes up to the blue near the top. Every riding in Toronto went Liberal!
Don’t leave out the worst. Belgium. King Leopold of Belgium butchered untold numbers (1-15 M) in the Congo to exact obedience. Leo stated that the Congo was his personal property (it also included Burundi and Rwanda). Development was a low priority. He mutilated laborers as punishment for very misdemeanors and may have been the model for modern atrocities in Africa.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State
The model, one of a diversity, was perhaps the richest man in the world, a black Muslim emperor and slaver, who carried out redistributive and retributive change against his and other nations through socialism and war.
But we are not taught and few ever discover that the Moors and the Corsair pirates took European and Asian slaves and even their own considered the brutality gratuitous and a waste of good slaves Slaves were treated as one use carrier bags and tortured for entertainment after each phase was completed and on average their European and Asian had a life expectancy of one month. I was told by a relative who was into history our family were reduced from land owners to being poor shepherds by these slavers.
Do be careful, some people don’t like to hear the truth &/or reality of history, especially about themselves!!!
A few former British colonies.
The United States
Australia
Canada
South Africa
India
Does Great Britain have enough pounds sterling and Crown Jewels to pay us all for the “damage” they did?
As an Anglo Indian, India did not exist. It was a large number of warring local chiefs and each area had its own language. India benefitted more than it lost from that era by a huge margin. We should be demanding compensation from Germany for the loss of the empire if we gained so much from it. Recrimination is a game we could play better than most as we are an island constantly raided. by Scandinavia, Germany, Italy and France.
And speaking of the Spanish, what do the Apache and other plains tribes owe them for reintroducing the Horse to North America and so immensely improving their ancestors’ lifestyles?
Far too many people go on & on about the British Empire & its slave-trade, but certain countries keep their group heads well below the parapet about their own, e.g. France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, the Roman Empire & its slave trade, The Greek Empire who owned oodles of slaves, The Persian Empire (for goodness sake don’t upset them). They ALL owned slaves & dealt in slaves, as did many African tribes throughout history. It wasn’t unheard of for salve traders to pay coastal African tribes to go raiding inland to seize men, women, & children, for selling on to the traders!!! Think of all that gold etc being “stolen” from what is now Mexico & northern parts of South America, Errol Flynn et al made a small Hollywood fortune from movies about it!!! Yet again the truth & reality rears its ugly head, it’s ALL about the money, give us money, lots of it, right now!!! Somebody silence that Poison Dwarf!!!
When Greta apologises for the colonisation of England, Scotland, France, Russia and other countries by the Swedish, Danish and Norwegians then maybe I’ll stop laughing. If you go back far enough almost everywhere was ‘colonised’ by homo sapiens out of East Africa, can’t really see them forking out billions to the rest of the world though. About time idiots like her realised they’re just making public their complete ignorance and stupidity.
Greta could take the Ashanti empire (modern Ghana) to task.
The people of colour who sold a great many fellow people of colour to Western trading companies….
Amusingly, the British fought a war against the Ashanti to… end their slavery trade.
Knowledge is not Greta’s strongest point.
Which also applies to her followers, the mis-educated and easily misled current youth.
Nor is logic or cool rationalisation.
I’m at pains to determine what Greta’s strong point is … provided she has any. So far she’s only displayed a rather common pubescent female’s affinity for being a scold and a bully.
But she is now trying to bully the CAGW / CCC crowd. Isn’t that a redeeming feature?
She doesn’t think they’re radical enough. She wants them to END ALL FOSSIL FUEL USE RIGHT NOW … or she’ll get really angry.
I have two fly-swats so if somebody close to the Poison Dwarf wants to borrow one, just ask!!!
Lucy got her start bullying Linus. Greta seems to be a real-life incarnation.
Yes, there’s definitely a theme here.
Making a pile out a world mega scam of course. That is a huge and worthwhile skill I wish I had at her age.
In truth, her family is connected in Swedish society. The child can’t fail in the same way that Hunter Bie-Den can’t fail. She has no talent whatever. She has been used for a purpose by her parents. When she finally discovers becoming a world laughing stock was her parent’s fault she’ll be very, very angry.
At least she has had a lot of practice at that.
Today’s rebels are tomorrows establishment!!! Always happens without fail!!!
Also, please tell her that the PRC, Russia and much of India are in the Global North. Do they, too, owe reparations to the Global South?
It gets even funnier .
The Ashanti and many other tribes started a war against evil white man after evil white man tried to end slavery.But evil white man won and ended slavery – damn rascist white people.
Especially the muslims (who build a slave trade hub in Sudan and whose prophet was a mass enslaver (that’s why slavery is legal in islam)long before europeans joined the slave trade ),
were super pissed as they lost a thousand years of tradition and massive income.
They were so pissed that they made almost all black slaves disappear.
In case you never wondered “Why are there more black players in German,French,American teams etc than in Teams of arab countries (there are usually none or those are top athletes from other countries paid to win them medals)- you may now get an idea.
Or why are there no original black people in spain,though mors(,a unity of arabs,jews and blacks)colonized Iberia for centuries?
Well,the religion i am from traditionally cut off their balls and dicks even when they were not slaves.
5-10% survival rate. but as there were many black slaves we obviously didn’t care.
And the usual arab term for a black person is abeed/abdi which means ni99a.
Now i wonder how greta will climate compensate them?
PS
Don’t blame me.
We never had slaves + I’m probably the only person thematising it but my comments are being systematically deleted by youtube and friends
It’s easy for Greta the Great to talk about the need for reparations for bringing sanitation, law, roads, etc. to the “Third World” countries (I think we can still say that, her green tree has red roots, and that was the Communist Bloc’s term) her weenie of a country tried colonization once in North America, as “New Sweden”, but they couldn’t make it work, and it is now, IIRC, southern New Jersey and Eastern Pennsylvania.
Few other places also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
Belief in Man made climate change is enough to put the seal on her as a semi moron at best. Let’s be honest when did we last see a mainstream media objective article on WHY to believe the academic anal apertures who call themselves scientists but deny us the fundamental requirement of science of proof?
As I said before, there is an old saying that goes something like, “It’s better to keep silent & let people think you are stupid, rather than open your mouth & prove it!”. She is a classic case!!!
It wasn’t all for nothing
2018: We Don’t Have Time founder, Ingmar Rentzhog, recognised as Sweden’s #1 Environmental Influencer of the year.
Yes, he created our Greta, she wasn’t on strike for long before Al Gore, 350.org etc made it ‘viral’ They are very well connected after all….
“Malena Ernman: WWF Environmental Hero of the Year, 2017”
“Thunberg was born into privilege and wealth.
Her mother is Swedish opera singer and celebrity Malena Ernman. Her father is actor Svante Thunberg, while her grandfather is actor and director Olof Thunberg. “Her ancestor on her father’s side is the Nobel Prize winner, Svante Arrhenius. Arrhenius was a Swedish physicist and chemist who received the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1903. He is known for myriad scientific contributions but it was his discovery that an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide increases the Earth’s surface temperature. That finding led to the conclusion that human-made carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming.”
https://www.theartofannihilation.com/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-most-inconvenient-truth-capitalism-is-in-danger-of-falling-apart/
You can see (with the added bonus of autism and mental instability) she was the perfect choice to front the operation.
But now her star is waning Warhol was right, but it isn’t always 15 minutes.
Has the developing world thanked us for the technologies and know how that have improved their lives
Then there is the small matter of all the money in aid over the last 60 years or so. That adds up.
The trouble with a puppet is it can only speak the words that are put into its mouth.
“That finding led to the
conclusiontheory that human-made carbon dioxide emissionscausepossibly contributes somewhat to global warming”corrections made (by me)
Which I believe he recanted in 1906…….
Yes, after recalculating and getting half the resultant temperature increase.
And didn’t Angstrom refute the “theory”?
Sorry, HotScot, I should have read further before commenting above!!!
Hypothesis; it’s never been a theory. It would’ve had to be a correct hypothesis to become a theory and it’s never even been close.
It’s surprising how many people don’t understand that simple fact. They’re never going to get close, either, if they insist on only using adulterated data.
The Minister in Church tonight said he had heard on the radio that the last time the temperatures had been this high was when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
I didn’t correct him as I’m sure he was telling the truth.
He probably did hear that if he listens to BBC Radio 4.
You might have asked him, with deep interest, where there had been dinosaur sightings a thousand years ago. The Socratic method is often the best means to question mistaken authorities.
So what he actually said in not so many words, was that the Earth has been this warm & warmer before??? I just love it when I hear people say things like that, they simply don’t listen to what they have just said & see the stupidity of it!!!
A theory there is no accurate enough data to argue either way on as academics do not bother about data quality as part of their peer review. They use weather data from Stevenson screens with an uncertainty way larger than the claimed CO2 effect instead of collecting valid data. They then believe one station of a selected environmental type every 400,000 sq. KM is accurate enough to give a practical fraction of one degree accuracy when a test measurement shows it does not do so for even 40 sq.metres.
The guy who discovered Greta is a good friend of Al Gore since many years.
Gretas mom got the wwf person of the year award a year before Greta was cast… discovered.
And Greta is just a copy of UN’ s first (&failed)try yo implement a child star as propaganda unit.
The original Greta was Severn Suzuki from the 90ies..
A child from a wealthy family,travelling thousands of miles “alone” and having the amazing “” Luck “” to be allowed to speak at the UN.
even the speach was identical.
2 reasons why Severn failed.
1) Severn said ” I have no Agenda ” – that part was cancelled for Greta.
2) It was before the telecommunication act.
The telecommunication act enabled the monopolizing of US msm by a handful of corporations so propaganda can be easier coordinated.
It should be noted that Severn Suzuki was only 12 at the Rio Conference in ’92, when Canada had an important presence there. Severn is David (fruit fly) Suzuki’s daughter. He’s Canada’s very own David Attenborough; Marxist, multi millionaire and saint. His CBC sinecure allows him to virtue signal about mankind’s evil ways. As a long time supporter of eugenics, Malthus and Paul Ehrlich he was Canadian socialist billionaire oil executive, Maurice Strong’s science guru. Strong was the father of Agenda 21 and author of various scandals like Oil for food and UN funding in North Korea.
Severn Suzuki was no innocent neophyte, even at 12. She was a seasoned veteran of Marxist environmentalism and international politics.
Surely, from what I have read in the past, he fully recanted on that notion about a decade later, to very little announcement in public!!! Like so many in the past, they make a great announcement of a discovery or conclusion about this or that, but after a little time has passed they withdraw their opinions discreetly!!!
Waiting on my reparations from the Huns. Where my check be ats?!?!?!
If we go back far enough, every body has been enslaved by someone.
That’s why the left that wants to limit history to the last 200 years.
The other thing is that all Europeans, no matter when they lived, must be judged by the most woke of standards.
Non-Europeans on the other hand, no matter when they lived, are not to be judged, period. Judging them would be racist.
Funny how they refuse to admit blacks were sold into slavery by blacks, mainly muslim blacks. The truth is so very inconvenient.
Truth isn’t inconvenient, it’s irrelevant.
They don’t care what the truth is, and will just ignore it if you present it to them.
They will just keep spouting whatever they need to spout in order to get what they want.
And every day more people are simply tuning them out. When all they do is lie about every single thing, and even casual observers can easily discern they are lying, they lose their soapbox. Hence the calls for armed force to compel people to accept their mentally retarded crap.
To the best of my knowledge, my ancestry is Irish, German with maybe some Scottish thrown in.
If I play my “Ancestor Cards” right I’m sure I can pick a time period where somebody or somebodies wronged all of them.
Is there a form I need to fill out to claim my “reparations”? Where do I send it?
Not a prob! Just make out your application, in triplicate, and drop it off at Accusatory Occiasional-Cortex’s office, she’ll get right on that. 😉
Will I need a photo ID to be admitted to her office? 😎
Only if you are an evil white male.
She spouts all this scripted idiotic Marxist claptrap from her parents wherever she goes, and all you hear is Greta said this, and Greta said that, but what you never hear is her being confronted and asked to explain her simplistic juvenile view of the world, because everyone knows she can’t.
The poor girl can hardly string a sentence together when she’s off script.
Exactly. poor little girl because what she’s showing there is Classic Autism.
That guy with the near endless and convoluted question is ‘it’
That is what defines the disorder
If he’d been brief and ‘to the point’ she’d have been straight back at him with laser sharpness. an incredible memory and mind-blowing honesty
The fact that the guy couldn’t put his question any better than he did really does call his mental acuity into question..
I have asked this question here very recently..
Because Autism Spectrum Disorders are not:
how many undiagnosed cases are there really out there?
That journo is on my hit-list and am sorry peeps, but so are the vast majority of commentators in that other Greta thread = something straight out of Witch Hunting Junk & Magic Science of the Dark Ages.
I’ll wager that the weather was nicer back then and the food could not be worse than the tasteless & nutrient-free mush we are nowadays forced into eating.
Somehow Greta has to be persuaded to dump her parents but therein lies a near impossibility
Autistics, believe it or not and why I say what I do, autistics are very empathic, loyal and forgiving people.
what a mess
“……autistics are very empathic, loyal and forgiving people.”
Not in my very recent experience.
They aren’t. Emotional awareness is entirely lacking.
They are not, in the jargon, neurotypical people.
They are, but not in the ways the Neurotypicals expect. Picture Larry, Darryl, and his other brother Darryl from the Newhart Show.
I only have an experience of one and even thirty years later the injury frequently hurts. And no I am not forgiving and intend to keep clear of unstable undesirables who do more harm than they realise..
GT also said she is clear about everything, no grey areas everything is black and white, yes or no. The bit about her being able to see carbon dioxide she said was metaphorically speaking.
Thanks, this is the best short video clip I’ve seen in years.
Spread it about, post it to your children & grandchildren, if necessary bribe them with pocket money to send it to their school friends.
Sounds a lot like Biden.
Except Biden often can’t read the script.
Well, there’s that, too.
Pitiful!!!
There is a steady drum beat of people pointing out that the world is better by almost any metric. Global poverty, for instance, has decreased at a rate faster than the UN even dared to dream.
Jordan Peterson has an interview with Michael Shellenberger, author of Apocalypse Never?. Shellenberger, along with folks like Pinker and Lomborg supply incontrovertible evidence of progress. The alarmists do the best they can to ignore it.
What’s the excuse for abolishing capitalism if it’s producing something like an Earthly Paradise? That’s rhetorical of course because there is no excuse.
Some folks deny progress because it conflicts with their anti-human agenda. They are real deniers and are probably more reprehensible than any other deniers I can think of. Some folks deny historical atrocities, which is bad enough. By collapsing the economy, on the other hand, these folks seek to inflict atrocities that exceed anything else in the history of humanity.
Being that Capitalism is far from ideal, I wouldn’t mind these people trying to dismantle it, other than their only solution, socialism, is by any definition unimaginably worse.
If they came up with a clear, documented alternative that showed genuine promise I would be inclined to say go for it, but they just don’t have the imagination or political wherewithal to think any further than the end of their nose.
There are no perfect solutions, and the attempts to create one here on Earth are behind most of the tragedies of history.
Capitalism isn’t perfect, but every attempt to make it better has ended in making everything worse.
The problem is that information is never perfect. The best way to deal with that is capitalism. Capitalism allows individuals to make decisions about their own lives and their own desires. The individual will always be the best person to make that decision because it is the individual who has the best knowledge of his situation.
The further away from the individual that you get, the worse and more out of date any information gets.
Trying to run an economy at a national or worse global level is a recipe for disaster as has been shown time and again.
At least part of your aversion to “capitalism” is probably due to the fact that the term was used by Marx in the pejorative. No such system exists, since from it’s first use by French socialist Louis Blank it has been a negative term. Best not to allow your enemies to define who you are.
Ours is a free market system, not a capitalist system. Without it, our world would have been unrecognizably awful.
Rory good comment.
The problem with any system Man comes up with is that their are “people” involved with all the faults we were born with. (Greed, envy, lust for power, etc.)
An AI system? No love. No compassion. No intuition.
And a “people” had to program it.
(Would you trust your life and future to a “Climate Model”?)
At least with Capitalism and/or Free Enterprise, the product that people want/need is the one that succeeds. (When Government is kept out of it.)
Those that fail? Again, keep Government out of it (Those in power tend to use it to buy votes to stay in power.), there are many, many people and groups willing to offer a hand up to those who want to get back on their feet.
(And, again, keep Government out of it, they are also free to cut off those who just want a free ride.)
How do I set up a post office box and bank account in South Africa?
As a second option I was born in a former colony in North America. I accept cash check or electronic payments.
A third option is just to send a bill to Sweden for helping supply the brown shirts with industrial equipment for global conquest while claiming neutrality and watching the destruction from afar.
I was born in Hong Kong where my parents helped rebuild it from the ruins of Japanese occupation. Singapore was a close relative in that respect, which fortunately remains out the clutches of the Chinese, so far. Both turned into two of the most successful countries in the world.
Greta and her handlers have no clue how many people they insult with these spurious claims of colonialism. Most colonised countries adopted the British political system and the rule of law which transformed them, often from barbaric tribal states, into peaceful, productive societies.
Well, I live in Australia, so I demand a huge slice of this proposed cash. Used notes, please…
Don’t forget to ask for notes with non-sequential numbers, not too easy to trace, etc. ;-))
A South African I met in a pub in Britain explained that if you want South African ID, phone the vehicle license people, and ask them to track your old license. When they can’t find it, they’ll give you a personal PayPal address so you can give them a personal gift to make the required entries on the computer.
Just a story over beer in the pub – but I’ve always wondered.
Like all good Castro revolutionaries she gives herself more power every day.
Now she is the Judge, Jury and Executioner on all climate matters.
Except when the wind blows etc
My son’s name really is Brandon. He deserves royalties. Can he claim them here? He’s entitled, I think
Better ask here 😀
“entitled”
Aren’t they all these days? They don’t even feel the need to have made a contribution, either.
When I was a young (very) man my parents told & taught me that I had rights, but, those rights came with a catch, they called it responsibility, kind of puts a damper on things doesn’t it??? Too many young people these days know their rights, very few know their responsibilities!!!
remember the good old days when you could have someone committed to a mental institution?
She should pick her volcano.
Greta—some of my ancestors were Swedes, presumably oppressed enough by your ancestors they left. Others were Germans, and we all know about Sweden in the Thirty Years War.
The Finns my ask Sweden too 😀
Like the manufactured narrative of AGW so is Greta. One thing the Marxists are masters at is propaganda. Making, seizing, and controlling the narrative is their primary weapon.
First they attack your language, the source of communication, forcing you to use their definitions, cancelling or penalizing you if you fail to do so. That’s the essence of political correctness, keeping you on the defensive trying to use their language rather than your own.
He who controls the present, controls the past, he who controls the past, controls the future!!!
So, since the USA is a former colony, does this mean we get to claim reparations from the British Empire?
The British Empire hasn’t existed for some time so good luck with that! Also don’t forget that as the colonisers, you would be liable for those reparations – those descended from native Americans and imported slaves are the only ones that could benefit from that move.
Well, no, the Native Americans should be claiming reparations from the British, and the French and the Spanish, since it was the citizens of those nations that actually colonized the Americas and therefore liable.
As for the British Empire no longer existing, under well established international norms and precedents, the UK is still liable for the the debts incurred by the Empire. Reparations could be considered debts accrued by the British Empire and so, are owed to the USA and indigenous people as the colonizers by the UK. 🙂
(for those that might not have a sense of humor, this is all snark)
I like your sense of humour, but still no. In the same humourus tone, and under your logic the USA, as inheritors of the colony and it’s debt would then be liable – except for the precedent that the US government used after the French revolution to claim it didn’t owe the new French government anything.
🙂 We didn’t inherit the Colonies, we won them fair and square in battle. As for the French, we paid that debt in spades (see below).
Let’s submit it to a democratic vote. We all believe in that, am I right? Let the whole world vote, should the UK pay us everything they have or not? (Just like three wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner).
It has been the case for many years, it’s ALL Britain’s fault, doesn’t matter what it is, it’s all our fault, for using coal to heat homes, burn in furnaces to make things, all our fault!!!! Clearly no other country in the World could have created an Industrial revolution!!! So Britain must pay!!! I would point out to the rest of the World, that once Britain is all paid out, someone else will have to fill the breach!!! I point out that on those two occasions I visited the Virginian Colonies I thoroughly enjoyed myself!!! Those Vikings have a lot of explaining to do, teaching us Brits to rape, pillage, steal, colonise, enslave, sail, navigate, etc!!!
Well, let’s face it, the colonies in the Americas haven’t really made much of a contribution to the World, have they??? Sarc as read!!! 😉
Indentured servitude included literally thousands of Europeans. Do they not count any more?
Never did.
So, I can’t claim personnel reparations since my earliest ancestors to the Americas were indentured servants? That’s discrimination (or am I supposed to say racist?). 🙂
Nor can I, as my ancestors arrived in Me Amsterdam and, more recently, Ellis Island from Glasgow and Ireland.
Speaking of reparations, I’ve always wondered, would the descendants of blacks who owned slaves, be forced to pay reparations to themselves?
What about the Africans, not just the black slave owners, that forced people into slavery? Do they owe reparations, also?
And what about the South and Central Americans?
Wasn’t it the Aztecs that would do “Flower Wars” just to get captives so they could offer human sacrifices?
If I’m not mistaken, they’d cut the heart of victim while he was still alive.
The Spanish put an end to that.
(Grrrreta, was that bad?)
By Greta’s judgement it seems you do. But we’ll have to deduct the value of our political and justice system you adopted.
Perhaps best call it quits.
BTW, there isn’t a British Empire any longer.
“BTW, there isn’t a British Empire any longer.”
You’re just quibbling. 🙂
Probably in the same vein as the US government ‘quibbled’ over not paying the French Republic money owed to the French Crown after the US revolution! It works both ways!
We paid the French $15 million for Louisiana. Then we liberated France from the Germans in WWI and WWII. Then we helped rebuild France after WWII. I think that debt is paid and there is now a balance owed to the USA by France.
You just shafted us out of a 30 billion sub contract, and you still think there’s a debt? Google doesn’t pay tax here, Amazon doesn’t pay tax here, Apple doesn’t pay tax here, Facebook doesn’t pay tax here, there are disgusting Mcdonald’s everywhere ffs…
btw, lets not forget you were not alone in that liberation cowboy.
Hey now, we’re talking about the past, not the present. It’s not my fault y’all can’t make a decent submarine in a timely manner with a minimal amount of graft and bribery. As for the McDonalds, I got nothin’, I don’t eat there either.:)
As for the rest, didn’t Janet Yellen and the rest of the Global Elitists just make an agreement about global taxes? So, there you go.
Offering a better deal is not “shafting”.
Why should Google, Amazon, Aooke abd Facebiij pay taxes if they don’t owe taxes.
There would be no McDonald’s if nobody ate there. Obviously not everyone is as big a snob as you are.
But the French eat in MacDonalds and love Jerry Lewis. And, if you wish to go there, let’s compare the nimber6 of Americans, Brits, and Commonwealth citizens who died on and after 6/6/44.
Nope. It does not. The will to power is how it works ultimately, isn’t it?
But there was during the slave-trading period.
Not according to bonbon.
“BTW, there isn’t a British Empire any longer.”
That’s because we gave it back!!!
Does the USA get reparations from Britain? Sure, but only once we’ve managed to get them from the Romans. I meaqn, what did they ever do for us?
“does this mean we get to claim reparations from the British Empire?”
When you’ve paid your ‘tea taxes’ we’ll think about it….
Well, if Tyrant King George had allowed us some representation in parliament, we might not have thrown a bunch of tea overboard in Boston Harbor.
Dream on
We have Parliamentary dictatorship
It’s representation ie democracy in name only
Then your argument is moot. 🙂
And your taxes due…
Nah, that’s settled. Trial by combat and all that.
Allied with the French lol
That’s the only way the French can win a war.
Sorry!
(Ducking croissants. 😎
The British Empire was bankrupted to pay for the war against Fascism, while funding the rise of the US. The UK (what was left of the Empire) was still paying off its war debt until 2006. Ironically, only the US and Germany benefited from the war.
You have a mighty strange view of “benefited”.
If it wasn’t for us Brits, you yanks would be speaking French now. You owe us big time :p
Heh. The second language in the USA after the revolution, especially in the military, for decades, was French. Then we grew up and figured English was a pretty good language after all. So, we did it all by ourselves. :))
Merci
Thank you.
And if it wasn’t for the US, you’d be speaking German.
Of course, if you were speaking German then we might be also.
Or we’d all be speaking Russian?
Overall, I’d say we all came out ahead.
(As long as we don’t end up speaking Swedish!)
And if wasn’t for the climate change around 6500 years ago that flooded Doggerland, the English language would never have evolved. Small mercies.
Yawn. The fabricated Doom Pixie. Why am I reminded of AOC?
Because the same people supply all of their talking points. Once they get off that script they are quite inarticulate.
“Why am I reminded of AOC?”
Any
Old
Crap
Will do
Because….
Wot. Not a single thank you for providing the ruling classes over there with those Mercs, Audis and BMWs?
Ingrates.
Never thought I’d find myself thinking this way, but maybe turning Greta up to 11 is what will hasten public disinterest in her performances.
She is after all just like that catchy tune / jingle you couldn’t hear enough of at first, but after a while you found yourself hitting the OFF button every time it came on.
Just a minor quibble – hasten public disinterest, should be uninterest. Disinterest means impartial.
Well, now that I’ve had my morning coffee, you have a point.
But “disinterest” still works to degree.
“Disengagement” would have been a more appropriate term.
What Nordic country is going to pay the Brits reparations for all the mayhem and destruction from their raids?
And since it was the Vikings who were first on the scene in North America,** shouldn’t their descendants be sent a bill from the U.S. and Canada?
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**There is some evidence that Phoenicians were trading for copper in Michigan about 5,000-ish years ago, so perhaps the Vikings are off the hook. There appears to be a lot of Michigan copper in ancient Egyptian artifacts.
Here’s a taste for any geologists and historians here that may have an interest, but there’s a lot more out there if you like the looks of this rabbit hole.
https://greaterancestors.com/great-copper-mines-of-michigan/
I’ve been to Norway and I was assured that the vikings were really misunderstood and were only peaceful traders.
“Mostly peaceful” raping and pillaging, eh?
Something like our Portland and Seattle demonstrations, except the Vikings probably smelled better than the Pantifa lot. 😜
Oops! The underlying Marxism crammed into this ignorant little twit is leaking out.
Leaking? It’s being spewed forth with great gusto.
Sweden owes England for the Vikings, and the Normans..
Beat ya to it by only 2 minutes, Leo. So great minds, and all that.
But yeah. Cough up some of that cash from your stash, Greta.
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“Oh no, no, no. It’s other people who need to pay up. Not me.”
The Normans were mostly from Norway. The Danes colonised a lot of the UK though, Norwegians and Swedes were involved in colonizing Scotland and Ireland mainly – although the Swedes also colonised a lot of Russia and eastern Europe as well. Germany and Denmark owe us for the Saxons, Jutes and Angles but we owe France for Brittany. It’s a bit of a mess really when you go back a bit.
Even the word ‘Russian’ derives from the Norse word ‘Rus’.
Mmmm … they were the same thing. How do think the Normans got their name?
Surely it was a corruption of the word Norseman which became over time, Norman!!! Happily corrected if necessary!!!
Charles MacKay is proven correct every day.
Yes, his observations from 150 years ago still prove that basic human nature and foibles don’t change – fear, pain, hunger, greed, hate, lust, jealousy, power.
Such are the influences that make us get out of bed each morning.
(and coffee of course)
Is North Africa owed reparations for the Roman occupations?
Good luck in tracing who the descendants of those Roman citizens who benefitted are.
Good luck in tracing who the descendants of those North African inhabitants are who were living there when the Romans occupied those areas.
Good luck in putting a monetary value on those colonizations.
Perhaps Rome should also send these North African countries a bill for all the technology and agricultural techniques they introduced to the regions, for the roads and other functional structures erected there, for the structures of government and education.
These activists have an abysmal ignorance of both uncertain science and messy history.
We may balance too the Arabian occupation of Spain, while the the Arabian transferred medical and pharmaceutical knowledge to Spain and Europe….. 😉
In fact there was very little of that. The Arabs provided very little in the way of medicine, technology or culture. We know most of their “Golden Age” was stolen glory … from the Jews, the Persians and also the Indians. Islam’s contribution was a very large goose egg.
Lot’s of phamacies here are still named “Moren Apotheke”, were the root is Moors Pharmacy.
How Islam changed medicineArab physicians and scholars laid the basis for medical practice in Europe
Islamic civilisation once extended from India in the east to the Atlantic Ocean in the west. Buildings in Andalusia such as the Alhambra in Granada, the Mezquita in Cordoba, and the Giralda in Seville are reminders of the architectural imprint this civilisation left on western Europe. Less well remembered, however, is the impact of Islamic civilisation on Western science, technology, and medicine between the years 800 and 1450. As was argued this month at the Royal Institution, today’s Western world might look very different without the legacy of Muslim scholars in Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba, and elsewhere
Just for starters, Moors were not Arabs any more than Persians were. The “Golden Age of Islam” is one of the world’s most prevailing myths. By the time Islam had conquered Africa, they had already absorbed the accomplishments of India, the Jews, the Persians and hundreds of other cultures who lost their accomplishments to Islam.
In short, Arabs had no special affinity for medicine, art, engineering or literature. They were conquerors (particularly blood thirsty at that) who subjugated and then stole the cultures of the conquered, calling them their own by converting everyone to Islam on pain of heavy taxation or death. They cleverly renamed important scholars, like Maimonides, with Arabic ( Abū ʿImran Mūsā ibn Maymūn ibn ʿUbayd Allāh).
Islam stole its art and architecture from the Persians, its medicine from the Jews and math and physics from India. Look up “The Myth of the Islamic Golden Age” and start browsing. Our present view of Islam was romanticized by European ‘scholars’ and adventurers like Richard Burton. People are still falsely aggrandizing Islam.
I believe the Europeans are owed reparations from the Arab slave traders.
Poor Greta doesn’t know that the plans the global gov has for former colonies and the poor in the ‘developed world dwarfs the deeds of the 20th Century despots. The count has already started.
Crippling the developed world will have huge consequences for entire human race.
The west? These people are as indigenous to the planet as any other group. The basis of her hate has no basis.
Doesn’t Greta know, where on the Globe West is ?
No one mentioned Australia ’til now and the Aborigines or Maoris in New Zealnd…
The Brits have to fullfill a deep grasp into their billfold…
What the hell is “Climate Debt” ?
You get the prize for asking the only meaningful question. That is what we should be discussing, not the relative merits of some uneducated retarded child.
Maybe we owe them some nice weather? But this is Britain, and everyone knows we have never had any.
And what is the problem with this. Here in Canada we are paying billions of dollars to aboriginals for trying to give them a modern education over the last 100 years.
Biden wants the US to pay illegal aliens $450,000 each to compensate them for being let into the county.
Greta Thunderpants emissions are the ones that are doing the most harm. Her and the herd of climate propagandists continually spewing unsubstantiated predictions of doom and flying from place to place to feed the fear. I think litigation is in order. Let’s have them all in court where they can present their “evidence” that what they say is true.
Lord above, she is only 18, how much longer will she be talking publicly for?
She be talking publicly for the rest of her life. Once some gets used to the limelight they rarely leave it voluntarily.
A better question is, how much longer will anyone pay attention to her?
“According to Greta rich countries have to pay reparations for the ancestral crime of bringing industry, roads, hospitals, schools and comfort in old age to the world.”
What have the Romans ever done for us??
Cervisia, vinum, just to begin with 😀
Underfloor heating
See the video someone else posted.
Reparations … Reparations … Reparations
Or, MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!
One thing I notice missing from the CAGW debate is nowhere is greater liberty and freedom is talked about and greater wealth for everyone, only reductions in it. Reparations are nothing more than asking someone not responsible to pay for something they had no control over. In others, wealth transfer from people with money, to people who have much more than you ever will. Because we already know that the people pushing reparations will get the majority of the money.
“Crises based on the idea that some people are worth more than others and therefore have the right to exploit others and steal their land and resources.”
Do a people who were not alive owe others who were not alive, anything that happened before especially when many of the ones presumed to be owed have migrated to the countries claimed to owe?
If they do owe should they take back the infrastructure and other benefits left there. Of course not, it’s all nonsense and so is the climate claim.
Anyone who was a slave is entitled to be compensated by the person who held them in slavery.
In response, I would say this to Greta Thunberg:
“Dear Greta, I’m sure you missed this lesson in grade school because you were out leading protests instead of acquiring knowledge about the real world and its history, but it is a fact that the India-Pakistan subcontinent was a British colony from 1858 to 1947.
And that India and Pakistan are located north of the equator; that is, in the “Global North”.
So why are you actively discriminating against former colonies in the “Global North” as compared to those in the “Global South”???
You do know what the term “discrimination” means, don’t you?”
She missed just the one lesson?
Why do they keep referring to her as a “teen activist”? She is not a teenager. She is just immature.
Her age is currently eighteen.
Greta sure gets a lot of heat for being a cultist.
@ Mr. Worral,
Please stop wasting space on this ignorant Swedish girl.
You are free to not read any article that you don’t want to.
Captain James Kirk can only respond to the children with…
“Global South”? “Global North”?
Where in the “H” did those terms come from?
Goebbels?
There’s a good old fashioned name for people like greta it’s called ‘anarchist ‘.
Greta doesn’t want there to be no government.
She wants just the opposite. She wants an all powerful government that is run by people like herself, so that she can force the rest of the world to live as she wants them to.
This is incredibly stupid! This argument has been central to the UNFCCC process since 1992. Greta did not invent it. Most developing countries have long espoused it. Is your understanding of the battle that shallow?
It reminds me of Monty python. What have the Romans ever done for us?
Makes me wonder about her grades from her history classes, assuming that she was taught some history. She should have stayed in school.
Oh Boy! The UK can pay for Biden’s Crazed Climate Plan in the US! The United States is a Former Colony! Louisiana can bill France! Alaska can try to send bills to Putin in Russia!
Oh what fun…..
Poor Spain — it will have to fund all of Central and South America AND the whole of the drought stricken US Southwest, I suggest that Spain could make a deal to forgo any payment to the US and just take California back — I’d support that.
Oh, I forgot, little Grettle dropped out of school.. . . . .
In the words of Pink Floyd, “She don’t need no educashun!”
Brit ==> and can I add the unnecessary and “can’t get no…. statis-faction”.
Maybe the Dutch will take back “New Amerstdam“?
(It’s not worth a hill of beads anymore.
We could sell of what’s in the various museums for a pretty penny.
Or a tulip or two.
just a small correction, a good chunk of south America is not Spanish never was, see Brazil, once a Portugal colony, second Russia had fur trading outpost in around san Francisco, Catherine the great could not afford a war with spain so she let it go
I’d say the CCCP already has San Francisco along with Sacramento!
ronk ==> Spain and Portugal have not always been separate nations, and not always even nations. They share the Iberian Peninsula and have been off and on over historical times united by shared dynasties of rulers….for many years, the Moors and Berbers of North Africa.
Portugal finally became a separate kingdom in about 1200, as part of the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula by armies supported by France and Christian rulers of what is now northern Spain.
In an astonishing exhibition of hubris, the Treaty of Tordesillas was ratified by the Crown of Castile and the King of Portugal in 1494, which “divided the newly discovered lands outside of Europe into two equal halves, the east side belonging to Portugal, and the west to Castile (later to become part of Spain). “
And, if I’m not mistaken, it was the Pope divided South America between the Spanish and the Portuguese.
(What is basically now Brazil to Portugal and the rest to Spain.)
Gunga ==> Yes, sort of — it was the Treaty of Tordesillas — between brokered by the Pope between Portugal (then a still fairly new kingdom) and Castile (there was not yet a nation called Spain).
Does that include America and Canada? I’ll take mine in gold and silver. Oh, wait, you stole all that from us to start with.
Texas is a former colony of Spain and Mexico (and France for five years). Please send us money.
Given the wide spread oppression and violence inflicted by the ‘Scandinavian’ countries onto the population I feel we need to see people like Greta PERSONALLY apologise for the Dane-Geld and then PERSONALLY start paying it back.
Repay or Retire you selfish little restraint on society.
Can I send them the bill for our family where the Corsair pirates took my ancestor as a slave and reduced our family from wealthy land owners in the west country to being shepherds in Cambridge?
Yes I am an oppressed Southerner. Send me money.
Weren’t your ancestors sent there on one of our luxury liners?
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This troubled, ignorant child should be ignored. She has zero grasp of science. Or reality. She is a brainwashed tool. Why does anyone grant her a platform to spew nonsense?
Not known if Greta has a clue about this :
The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire by Nicholas Shaxson (best selling author and former FT journalist) :
the financial thrust is direct in-your-face, as they are sure the distractions work.
I have often wondered how much Greta gets for appearing at the COPP. Thousands? And I really wish she had the experience of living without electricity or running water for a while. She might actually smarten up.
Sure, you brat.
For starters, I’ll take some of the geedus you rip off from dumb kids and companies for compensation for YOUR people colonizing MY people.
Signed,
Victim of Viking Raids
https://genius.com/Monty-python-what-have-the-romans-ever-done-for-us-annotated
Of course, if we left them in the Stone Age…they’d sue us for that too…
I read an Indian nationalist asserting that the UK took coal from India back to the UK. Of course they did, after all, what better economics is there than to dig coal out of the ground halfway round the planet and transport it back to a country where abundant coal can be dug out of the ground right next to where it’s needed.
It’s worth noting that where-ever there is complaining about colonialism you will find The Morning Star, China Daily and usually Russian military hardware including the AK47. I wonder what the people of Tibet, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states, Romania, Bulgaria (for example) think of colonialism?
Wow, the picture at the top of the article is the most flattering I’ve seen. Can’t be real!
Did you know that her name is an anagram of Green Brat Thug, very apt I think.
And all former colonized countries, regions and localities shall immediately seize the usage of all inventions of the white men. It is henceforth forbidden to use any form of electricity, sanitation, fiat currency, logical reasoning on penalty of being declared a cultural appropriator. The punishment for which is ridicule by stone-age half-apes and little Swedish girls that did not finish school
Isn’t the United States a collection of former colonies of Europe? Does that imply we “owe it to ourselves” rather than to every other nation on earth… hmmm?
NO NO NO!
The manta is that it has to be “somebody” ELSE owes “us”, today for what “we” never worked for today!
“We owe it to ourselves” is too close to being “We are responsible for ourselves” for the reparations grifters comfort.
The Gretamonster is back…run for your lives!
Perhaps Greta can pay some of her millions to the descendent of slaves at Saint Barthelemy, which Sweden used to own. Their colonies first parson was a certain Sven Thunberg. Any relation?
This whole “reparations” reminds me of AIM (American Indian Movement).
They demanded that the entire US be returned to them.
I asked once, “Which tribe gets Georgia? The Shawnee lived in Georgia until they were driven out by the Cherokee. Some other tribe drove the Cherokee into Tennessee. The Shawnee ended up in Ohio. Pennecook New Hampshire was named after a tribe that was wiped out by another tribe. Which tribe gets Pennecook?”
(That’s not an exact quote. I said it 20 or so years ago but it is the gist.)
I never got a real answer. The AIM supporters refused to admit that they were as divided as any other “race” on the face of the Earth.
Bottom line, you can dwell on how someone has told you that your ancestors’ (sometimes ancient) past is responsible for your present and all those long dead people “owe you”; or you can build your own future despite your present.