Biden’s Climate Agenda Dies In The Senate

Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

OCTOBER 26, 2021

By Paul Homewood

Wall Street Journal’s podcast on Biden’s Clean Electricity Plan is well worth a listen:

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/biden-climate-ambitions-die-in-the-senate/ba212f50-5e4f-407b-b3ec-99229c52981d

You may recall how Biden’s green agenda was gutted back in June, which I posted on here. In short, he had planned to spend $2 trillion on his clean energy plan, including massive subsidies for wind and solar.

However his attempts to include all of this in his Infrastructure Bill earlier this summer collapsed in the face of opposition not only from Republicans but also moderate Democrats.

His fall back plan was the Clean Electricity Performance Program. This would provide grants to utilities that increase the amount of clean electricity they use by at least 4% a year and penalize utilities that do not meet that standard.

The Program, worth $150 billion, was incorporated in the massive green, socialist $3 trillion spending bill, currently working its way through Congress. However, it seems like the Clean Electricity part of the bill is dead in the water, thanks to the resolute opposition of Joe Manchin, the Democrat Senator for West Virginia.

West Virginia is coal country, and Manchin knows that Biden’s Green Agenda would wipe out their economy. With the Senate split 50/50, Biden needs every Democrat vote to get his bill through.

What does all this mean?

It is all very well Biden pledging to reduce emissions, but actually managing to do it is another matter entirely.

Without that system of subsidies and penalties, utilities are not going to radically change the way they operate now. And even if electric cars grow in market share, the electricity they run on will still be primarily fossil fuel based.

Biden may have have other options at hand, including regulation, but these are just fiddling around at the edges.

This may be Biden’s last chance to force his Green New Deal through. The spending bill now being fought over only needs a majority of one in the Senate, as it is being processed as what is known as a Reconciliation Bill. But only one of these is allowed each year.

Next year, the Democrats face losing their majority in the House, along with their 50/50 tie in the Senate, given Biden’s catastrophic ten months at the helm so far.

They will have better things to worry about then than Sleepy Joe’s Green New Deal.

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Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 5:10 pm

PRAISE. THE. LORD!

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 5:19 pm

And Trump is going to win in 2024 (with Candace Owens – yay!).

And we pro-liberty free marketers are going to make America great (and keep it that way)!

“Never,
never,
never,
never
give up.”

W.C. 🙂

Janice Moore
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 5:36 pm

Florida needs DeSantis.

And 78 is just a number. There are EIGHTY-eight-year-olds who are well able to think and lead.

paul courtney
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 5:45 pm

Mr. Rotter: Agreed, and Candace Owen also fine.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 5:48 pm

Nikki Haley, please, please, please run!

Kevin
Reply to  mark from the midwest
October 26, 2021 6:33 pm

Away. Far, far away.

H.R.
Reply to  mark from the midwest
October 26, 2021 6:39 pm

Nikki? GOPe RINO. US CoC bought and. paid for. Anti-MAGA Never Trumper. Bushie New World Order gal.

But other than those minor dings well, OK. Sure.

GregK
Reply to  mark from the midwest
October 26, 2021 8:46 pm

Nikki Haley

Great old fashioned US succes story.

And wouldn’t it be amusing if the first female president of the US was a Republican !

Rah
Reply to  mark from the midwest
October 27, 2021 12:24 am

I see you like RINOs. Not me. They’re a big part of the reason we’re in the mess we are. The RNC does not see a dime of my contributions. I only give directly to the proven conservative candidates of my choice. I gave $1,400 to Trump last year.

The RNC has been blowing my phone up asking for money in the name of Trump. I hope those that are real conservatives here know better than to contribute to them because every dime you give the RNC will go to working against Trump and those that support his agenda in one way or another.

DocSiders
Reply to  Rah
October 27, 2021 4:30 am

The Nation is Burning and falling into the ashes… AND WHERE IS ANY LEADERSHIP from the GOP. Aside from Jim Jordan and few Senators….NOTHING…as the flames chase the country into the Oceans? Nothing.

75% of Republicans fervently want Elections FIXED so that they are Fair, Secure, and able to be AUDITED (easily…or AT ALL)….and the GOP hierarchy pretends there is no problem with our Elections.

Carl Cowan
Reply to  Rah
October 27, 2021 9:10 am

Elections have consequences, stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. The Republican Party stood down when they should have stood up to the 2020 Stolen Election. The latest poll numbers show that 35% of the people now want the 2020 election over turned. In a few months that number will grow. Losing energy independence is causing great harm to the U.S. economy and every citizen’s pocket book. Lets go Brandon!

Willem Post
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 6:28 pm

He just stared a new communications company that is worth about $5 billion, and he owns 68%
Biden and Hunter are two-bit grifters and grafters

Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 6:57 pm

I agree, Charles. Not for age reasons, but for the huge possibility that Trump will screw it all up again. He had great policies (mostly) and great people. But the tweets and outbursts were unconscionable and divided the county. We can’t afford that risk again.
I’d vote for Pompeo in an instant, and DeSantis and many others are certainly acceptable.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John MacDonald
October 26, 2021 7:09 pm

“I agree, Charles. Not for age reasons, but for the huge possibility that Trump will screw it all up again. He had great policies (mostly) and great people. But the tweets and outbursts were unconscionable and divided the county.”

There’s no evidence Trump’s “mean” tweets caused him to lose the election. That’s leftwing propagada.

Trump currently has the support of 78 percent of Republicans. He is pulling up to 50,000 attendees at his monthly political rallies. He’s going to hold another in the near future.

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. You’ll be seeing much more of him in the future. DeSantis can run as his Vice President.

Trump’s policies are right on the money. If you don’t like it when he hits back at people who attack him, then put your hands over your eyes and ears and hold your nose and vote for Trump because that’s the best bet you and the rest of us have right now.

The Democrats demonize everyone who is a threat to their political power. That’s what they have done to Trump since before he was elected, and yet they can’t lay a legal glove on him no matter how hard they try. Trump is the most honest, vetted politician in history. What more could one want out of a politician. Well, competency, I guess, but Trump has that in spades.

His personality should be secondary to everything else. Personally, I like it when Trump tells the Democrats to go to hell. We need a lot more of that.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 26, 2021 8:51 pm

Off topic, but I just saw this, and I had to post it somewhere on WIWT – sorry:

COP26: Far right climate denial group to stage ‘alternative’ summit in Glasgow
A hardline US think tank which rails against climate change science and accuses the United Nations of trying to “usher in socialism” by tackling the climate emergency is to stage an alternative conference in Scotland’s biggest city during COP26.By Martyn McLaughlin

Alba
Reply to  JON PETERSON
October 27, 2021 8:28 am

In an extremely well-balanced article, four people are quoted as criticising the Heartland Institute while only one person is quoted on behalf of the Institute. There are two photos of people, both climate alarmists, and there is one other photo: a demonsration in favour of climate alarmism. The Institute is described as “far-right” but the psuedo jounalist who wrote the article provides no basis on which to support that description.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  JON PETERSON
October 27, 2021 10:16 am

It sounds like a socialist wrote that excerpt. No bias there.

Joe
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 27, 2021 6:49 am

Agree. I find Trumps delivery of information refreshing.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 27, 2021 12:18 pm

“Trump is the most honest, vetted politician in history. What more could one want out of a politician.” 
Maybe one that doesn’t screw porn stars while his wife is pregnant. I would have thought modelling a level of decency in that area would be a requirement for someone we trust to make many decisions requiring a moral compass. Just saying.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
October 27, 2021 4:08 pm

Simon the Zealot—have you figured out who Peter Daszak is yet?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
October 28, 2021 9:33 am

“Maybe one that doesn’t screw porn stars while his wife is pregnant.”

Do you have any evidence that this occurred, Simon?

I seem to recall Joe Biden having some marital problems. I think cheating was involved. Got any comments on that?

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 28, 2021 10:25 am

“Do you have any evidence that this occurred, Simon?
I seem to recall Joe Biden having some marital problems. I think cheating was involved. Got any comments on that?”
I wasn’t in the room, but…. He paid one of the two that accused him off. That is a fact.
His own lawyer said he did it. That is a fact.
So I don’t know what more evidence you need Tom.
Your turn. What evidence do you have that Biden has been unfaithful?

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 28, 2021 1:21 pm

I seem to recall something about a President and an Intern, Tom.

DrEd
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 27, 2021 2:32 pm

I agree with all your points. However, too many sheeple and idiots are offended by Trumps “style”. They are too ignorant to think about the issues and how to solve them – and how Trump solved them. Remember, you can’t fix stupid.
We need a candidate that thinks and acts like Trump but can present a thoughtful persona. DeSantis can do it. Some others can as well.
We need a relatively small set of candidates for the primaries, all of whom would be electable, who are conservative, smart and can operate in the current political climate. Whoever it is needs to keep beating on the MSM, and directly courting Blacks, Hispanics, and suburban women who really suffer under the evil Democrat control.
I think there are a few major issues that the GOP can own: the economy and inflation; education, top to bottom, and immigration. Win these three issues and you sweep the election.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  John MacDonald
October 26, 2021 8:54 pm

It’s always interesting to read the thoughts of a RINO and your emotional arguments. Trump is exactly what the US needs at the moment. He understands the value of humiliating and belittling his opponents. His utter contempt for the swamp and its denizens was refreshing and needs to be adopted by all to counter the idiocracy that is promoting the “gender” platform and economy destroying policies. Trump also understands popular social media and the value of Memes. But for the fraud of the last election, he would have won with the greatest majority in history.

DeSantis is right where he should be. In reality, after four years of Democrat misgovernment, a demented president and a morally crippled half wit for a vice president, even the Dems will vote for Trump.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 9:24 pm

I really liked the results President Trump got. And that was in the face of opposition of nearly the entire bureaucracy and the Lame Stream Media! But Trump also made mistakes, and could have done better if he had been quick enough to recognize those mistakes. Let’s hope he has learned from those mistakes. Make America Great Again!!!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
October 26, 2021 11:03 pm

That was one of the best responses I’ve read on Trump. I started off not liking him at all, but that was my snobbishness, reacting to his lack of “class”. Admittedly he’s a bit of a Boer, but I warmed to him very quickly once I saw through his facade and looked into what he was accomplishing. At heart I believe he’s a good man in a very nasty business. He snapped back some.

He entered politics as a rank amateur, somewhat wide eyed and far too trusting. He had no idea he’d stepped right into a gator pit where more than half the occupants saw him as lunch … many of those were in his own party. They were motivated by greed and jealousy. His enemies far outnumbered his friends.

The mistakes he made were mostly from inexperience and school boy idealism but few in performance. I believe he was truly shocked by the depth of hate from the Left and the extent of the corruption before and during the 2020 election … and how extensive the fraud was. If he runs (a big if) again he won’t let that happen a second time. He will be far tougher and more like what he was being accused of.

It will be interesting times, especially if the Democrats lose the House and the Senate next year. There will be four lame ducks in the White House … the Two Bidens, Cackling Kamala and Barry O … all of whom are clueless.

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Brad
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 11:18 pm

OMG
DJT has planned running for 4 decades. His presidency is the culmination of years of planning to destroy the globalists.
can’t wait to see the end of this movie🇺🇸🇺🇸👍

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Brad
October 26, 2021 11:51 pm

I’m not sure I agree about that, but I believe he is the final hope to turn around the left’s momentum world wide. It will help when China eventually falls on its ass due to vast overreach. They truly are a paper tiger even worse than Japan was.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
October 27, 2021 10:33 am

I couldn’t have said it better.

Trump’s not perfect. Noone is. I have a few things I disagree with Trump about, but very few things, and those are with a few statements he has made which I think were off-base, like “keeping the oil” and “Republicans won’t go to the polls if we don’t get our way”, which is about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard Trump say, and I haven’t heard him say very much that I would consider dumb to date.

But as far as conservative policy is concerned, Ttrump can’t be beat.

Trump understands human psychology, which is sorely lacking in many of our current batch of politicians, especially those on the Left. This is important for foreign relations.

Even if another conservative were elected instead of Trump, that person would be following Trump’s lead on policy because that’s what Republicans and any other sensible person wants.

I thought it was rather telling when Fox News compared the drop in favoribility ratings for presidents since World War II. Some had large drops over the first nine months of their administrations, but Joe Biden had the largest drop at about 12 percent.

Trump on the other hand, had a drop of about 4 percent. And that was in the face of relentless leftwing propaganda and lies launched against him on a daily basis, which had been going on for months even before he was elected.

Just think what Joe Biden’s ratings would have been if he were relentlessly attacked every day by the press.

And for those people who cringe when the Leftwing News Media attacks someone like Trump and he attacks them back, don’t think just because you elect a different Republican as president, that this public viciousness will stop.

No, the leftwing press will just transfer the demonizing to the new guy, and will make him out to be the worst human being in history, like they are attempting to do with Trump.

You won’t get a respite with a new guy. If that new guy threatens the socialist agenda to the degree that Trump threatens it, then that guy is going to get the full measure of attacks by the Leftwing Media and the Democrats. You can count on it.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 28, 2021 8:56 pm

But for the fraud of the last election, he would have won with the greatest majority in history.”
If you genuinely believe that then your are completely removed from reality. How many recounts now? And all say no fraud. The only one trying to steal the last election was Trump. “All you need to do is find me 11000 votes …. then leave the rest to me.”

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 28, 2021 9:17 pm

There isn’t anyone who can honestly say the 2020 election wasn’t fixed. Only the extent of it is in doubt. There haven’t been any ACTUAL recounts. There is so much accumulated evidence of fraud that it’s undeniable. Pelosi even admitted the election was fixed several days before it happened. Half the votes for AOC were harvested and filled out at the poling places.

Oddly enough people criticize Trump for trying to get fair treatment and legal adjudication in an obvious fraud (admitted to by many Democrats and flagrantly flaunted by many), while Hillary is still talking about being cheated in 2016 … and she didn’t have a hope in hell. Al Gore is still griping more than 20 years later and only 1 state had problems. There were 5 recounts.

If the Left didn’t have their double standards they’d have no standards at all.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 29, 2021 2:15 am

Clinton and Gore both conceded within days of the election. Your imposter still has not had the decency or the maturity to admit he was beaten. Don’t lecture me about electoral morality when you support such a man.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 29, 2021 10:57 am

Clinton and Gore both conceded within days of the election.

No … they did not. He retracted his concession and then spent weeks demanding more and more recounts until finally the Supreme Court put an end to it. Clinton is still saying she was cheated (a Russian conspiracy) to anyone who will listen. The entire world knows what happened in 2020.

Trump wasn’t “beaten”. I’ll “lecture” you whenever it’s requited or I feel the inclination. Now go away.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 29, 2021 12:03 pm

Of course Gore, fought the entire election hinged on a razor thin knife edge in one state. Who wouldn’t take it to court? But in the end his words of concession were those of a mature adult, not a child.

In a televised speech from his ceremonial office next to the White House, Gore said that while he was deeply disappointed and sharply disagreed with the Supreme Court verdict that ended his campaign, ”partisan rancor must now be put aside.”
“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College” he said. “And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”

Clinton got more votes than Trump, so she has every right to feel aggrieved. Trump the man baby lost fair and square, but can you ever imagine him saying the words”And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.” No chance in hell. He is the sorest of losers and his followers are the same.

If you think I am wrong where is your evidence? You just have a laughing stock of characters left in the rubble. Rudi, Sidney Powell….

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 29, 2021 12:34 pm

Hillary is still telling anyone who will listen how she was robbed. Hillary wasn’t even close … any more than Biden was.

Trump was never given the opportunity to be heard in court regardless of the mountains of evidence. He had 10 million more votes than in 2016. More dead people voted for Biden than in any previous election.

If you really believe that sad demented old man beat one of the most popular presidents in modern times, you’re more deluded than deluded than he is. He can’t even complete a coherent sentence … even what he’s reading it.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 29, 2021 1:00 pm

If you really believe that sad demented old man beat one of the most popular presidents in modern times, you’re more deluded than deluded than he is.”
That is utterly ridiculous. The polls had Biden ahead. So Biden winning was expected. Trump may be credible to the gullible but his approval rating never got above 50%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

You must live on another planet.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  John MacDonald
October 27, 2021 1:18 am

Trump tweeted to show the press which was/is still more or less completely against him, that he didn’t need them to communicate with the people. This of course increased the hate of the media even further…

Kazinski
Reply to  John MacDonald
October 27, 2021 1:45 am

I think Trump.is probably too old too. And I don’t think he really wants into run anyway. The biggest problem Trump had was they went after anyone and everyone that Trump tabbed for a job, and there are few people that can stand that kind of heat for long. Plus he made a string of bad picks his first two years, like Tillerson, Kelly, Mattis, Wray, Anthony Scaramuci, etc, etc, etc. And he’s a sucker for sycophants, like Omarosa, all the leaking that was constantly going on shows he surrounded himself with people willing to stab him in the back to further their own agenda.

I’m perfectly happy with Trump as leader of the movement, but I’d be happier with someone like DeSantis or Pompeo actually running things.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kazinski
October 27, 2021 11:12 am

When you get elected president you are presented with numerous candidates for appointment, and there is no way you can know exactly how all these people will work out in a new position.

The good thing about Trump is when he hires someone and sees they are not going to work out, he fires them quickly, and puts someone else in their place, subject to them doing the job to Trump’s satisfacton.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  John MacDonald
October 27, 2021 3:25 am

Pompeo not…

Anon
Reply to  Charles Rotter
October 26, 2021 8:00 pm

MAYBE: Assuming DeSantis has the ba–s to get out of the Paris Accord and shutdown the border. If they can pressure him or have something on him, he will be a clone of Paul Ryan.

Trump is old, but you do know specifically what he will do. IMHO

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Anon
October 27, 2021 11:17 am

Trump has the energy of a teenager. You ought to watch him at his rallies.

Most people, according to sources, would have trouble keeping up with Trump no matter what their age.

Max More
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 6:38 pm

Trump is not and never was a free marketeer. He did some good things with deregulation but more bad things (such as with free trade). No question, he would be vastly better than Biden, but don’t pretend he’s a friend of free markets.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Max More
October 26, 2021 7:17 pm

You’ve got to be kidding.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Max More
October 26, 2021 9:05 pm

It’s always amusing to me when I read someone who absorbed MSM propaganda so thoroughly. Trump is possibly an unlikable person to the weak minded, but definitely the right man for the time. He did more good things for his country than the previous 6 terms before him. His influence has made it possible for the US to weather the present disastrous administration.

Brad
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 11:19 pm

Promises made, promises kept.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Brad
October 26, 2021 11:55 pm

Yes, I admired that of Trump. He was the only President to return Jerusalem to the Israelis … after promises since their beginning. That lead to the only President to get real treaties from the Arabs (while all predecessors said it was impossible).

And that was just the beginning of “promises kept”.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 27, 2021 4:32 am

As a Brit, from my perspective across the pond, I think Candace Owens would be an outstanding President, let alone Deputy Pres. She’s super smart and takes crap from no one. Whenever I have seen her take on the MSM she wipes the floor with them.

It’d also make the hard left’s heads explode if the first female President was a Republican (in a similar way, the UK left hate it that the only female UK PMs have both been Conservatives).

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 27, 2021 8:38 am

While I would vote for a Trump/Owens ticket, I would prefer a DeSntis/Mark Robinson ticket. The Lt. Governor of Florida,Jeanette Nunes, is a highly respected and capable replacement for DeSantis should he become POTUS. As for Mark Robinson, he is a more articulate version of Trump and would crush any lib deciding to run with Buyden or the Hoe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZn0D_9VY8

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 8:21 pm

SIERRA MOUNTAINS LOG UP TO 6 FEET OF OCTOBER SNOW, RECORD LOWS SWEEP SCANDINAVIA, + “REMARKABLE” COLD SPELL HITS HONG KONG
October 26, 2021 Cap Allon
The COLD TIMES are returning, the mid-latitudes are REFREEZING, in line with historically low solar activity, cloud-nucleating Cosmic Rays, and a meridional jet stream flow…

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 26, 2021 9:05 pm

Mr. MacRae.

You “replied” to me.

I strongly suspect that you meant to post your remarks elsewhere…..

SOMEONE got your drift…. as the +1 reveals….. it wasn’t I.

Well, thanks for the weather report.

Bemusedly,

Janice

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 11:11 pm

??

Would one of you 6 who +’d McRae or one of you 3 who minused me please explain how MacRae’s comment addressed:

1) ANYTHING I wrote on this thread;

or

2) ANYTHING anyone wrote on this thread.

Thanks!

DonM
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 27, 2021 10:38 am

“Praise the Lord” …

… ‘global warming is not catastrophic, and the coming cold will soon shown that the overheating hype is just hype.’

That’s the best I can do (although I didn’t ‘plus’ or ‘minus’ either of you)

Janice Moore
Reply to  DonM
October 27, 2021 1:05 pm

Heh. Well, DonM, you were very kind to try. Still seems like a non sequitur….

Me: Happy Halloween!

MacRrrrrae: 🎅 🎄

😄

DonM
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 28, 2021 10:30 am

Me: and a very sincere ‘National Chocolate Day’ to the both of you

Janice Moore
Reply to  DonM
October 28, 2021 10:39 am

🙂

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 27, 2021 6:49 pm

Janice,
The topic is “Biden’s Climate Agenda Dies In The Senate”…Such a boring line, it is really just open WUWT comments from there on….and McRae throws global cooling stuff in at any opportunity…

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Janice Moore
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 28, 2021 10:39 am

Thank you, DMacKenzie. Makes sense. It took a Scot to explain a Scot :).

Doug S
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 8:35 am

Thanks for the link to the electroverse.net website Allan! That site looks like a great resource. First time I’ve run across it which is not surprising as it appears the big tech firms are doing their best to suppress it’s reach.

Mark Amey
October 26, 2021 5:19 pm

Let’s go Brandon!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mark Amey
October 27, 2021 11:25 am

Did you see the video of the U.S. Marine who was standing in a shop when a robber, armed with a pistol, came into the shop, followed by a couple of companions.

The Marine took one look at the way the idiot was holding the pistol and he reached out and grabbed it and wrestled it away from the robber, while the robber’s buddies ran away. The robber never knew what hit him.

The reason I bring that up is because the Marine was given an award yesterday for his actions and he was wearing a “Let’s Go, Brandon” t-shirt. I thought that was pretty funny.

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Duane
October 26, 2021 5:23 pm

Actually two reconciliation bills are allowed each year, but the Dems have already used one this year.

As of today Manchin is openly taliking of leaving the Dem party … to become an independent. And also suggested he won’t run forever-election, meaning a GOP pickup. If the Dems keep trashing Sinema she may very well do the same. Dems know they’re toast in next year’s election. They’re effed and they know it.

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Duane
October 26, 2021 6:05 pm

I hate to play Devil’s Advocate, but a lot of people thought Trump would cream Basement Joe. Republican victory in 2022 or 2024 is not a sure thing, especially considering the Dems capacity for voter fraud.

Good thoughts are fine, but some serious effort will be needed to expel the Dems. Not going to be the cakewalk some people are projecting.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
October 26, 2021 6:23 pm

Isn’t it such a shame that it’s not a sure bet that a love of freedom, competence, a desire to excel and striving for a good standard of living isn’t certain to beat this bunch of incompetent socialists?
We’re in a similar situation here in NZ.
We’re just about to bring in a society with two classes of citizen (those with vaccine passport and those without), and many people (including some business leaders) are cheering it on.
These really are dark times.

Klem
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 26, 2021 6:37 pm

Canada is embarking on a similar path with the recent introduction of the QR code based social-credit pass…I mean vaccine passport.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Klem
October 26, 2021 9:13 pm

And it isn’t even a vaccine … any more than my immune therapy treatment for cancer was a vaccine. Here in Canada it will be jabbed and unjabbed … those who think and those who board the train when told to. They’re already building the camp here and in Australia with no embarrassment or self doubt or awareness of history.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 11:34 pm

Bullshit. It is a vaccine and it is more than 90% effective at preventing death. Claiming that “they’re already building the camp” is not only easily refutably but also makes a mockery of the holocaust.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:51 pm

that’s bollox.
More than 90% effective at what??

Vaccines are to prevent infection by definition. (Polio TB etc).
The wuflu kills 3% max, so the “vaccine” for sars-cov is NOT a vaccine, because it doesn’t prevent infection.

97% return to health after a brief skirmish with a nasty virus that can cause pneumonia, like lots of other virii.
Indeed, attempts to confine perfectly healthy individuals for months has an ADVERSE effect on healthy immune systems, which are helped by ordinary exposure to sunlight and higher zinc levels.

The so called vaccine has had a +/- 0.5% effect on mortality, while meanwhile all the other more serious illnesses as cancer, ordinary flu & serious blood disorders/HIV detection, have been put on hold, never mind the impact on mental health.

This is the first time in human history perfectly healthy people have been forced to sit indoors and be paid to do absolutely F-all!

DonM
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 27, 2021 10:51 am

izak is right for once.

As you stated (correctly) 97 to 99 percent of infected come out O.K. if they are unvaccinated.

As izak stated the vaccine is more than 90% effective at preventing death (I don’t really know what he means, but to be generous I accept this as meaning that if you are vaccinated you are less than 10% likely to die from an infection.)

97 is greater than 90.

Treat him as the simpleton that he is and pat him on the back … ‘Yes Izak, 90% effective, but a sugar pill is 97% effective. So what is your point?’

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 12:07 am

Bullshit. It is a vaccine

Only since they reworked the definition of vaccine. It is no more a vaccine than the immune therapy I received for cancer.

You’re reading and believing ALL the propaganda, aren’t you, like the good little storm trooper you are? Most of the people being infected now are people who have had the jab. Forcing covid survivors to be jabbed is criminal. Coercing people into submitting to experimental drugs is a violation of human rights.

Go ahead and refute away. The only people mocking the Holocaust are people like you calling skeptics “deniers”.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 7:36 am
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Davidf
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Amen brother. Not to mention todays gem, legislating Central control of all water, then handing over 50% to a race based aristocracy. Five Year Plan to come!

MarkW
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 26, 2021 7:06 pm

Unfortunately the schools have been teaching kids that it is the purpose of government to force other people to buy the stuff they want for 30 to 40 years.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 26, 2021 7:56 pm

Chris,
What is the difference between requiring a vaccine passport to attend certain events and requiring a driving license to speed down a motorway at 100km/hr?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 8:07 pm

Lol. I suppose we should just let anyone fly a commercial airplane and pilot a ferry and practice medicine…..

If you can’t see the difference, nothing anyone can say will help you.

Cheers!

lolol

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 9:23 pm

Idiot.

Let’s go Brandon!!!

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sycomputing
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 9:44 pm

What is the difference between requiring a vaccine passport to attend certain events and requiring a driving license . . .

The lack of injecting a chemical substance into my body in order to drive the automobile.

Textbook false equivalence though, I’ll give you that much.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  sycomputing
October 26, 2021 10:30 pm

In that case how about the fact that the government already makes it illegal to drink and drive so what is the difference between injecting chemical substances in order to attend a concert and injesting a chemical substance in order to drive?

The government has the right to restrict people’s ability to do any number of things based on any number of criteria. Saying that unvaccinated people can’t do the same things as vaccinated people on the basis of saving lives is just the last one. In many countries for example you cannot attend school if you aren’t vaccinated which saves lives and is quite sensible.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:28 pm

The fatality rate from COVID19 is so low that “on the basis of saving lives” is not a reason to limit liberty, here. It is a pretence.

Brad
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:29 pm

If the vaccine were really effective, why are vaccinated people required to wear masks, which are worthless to begin with? Can you smell it when someone farts, while wearing a mask?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:30 pm

You’re utter lack of self awareness along with absolute ignorance of the concepts of human rights is breathtaking. That you can’t understand the difference between requiring a specific level of competence before operating a deadly weapon and being coerced into taking a deadly, experimental drug is shocking.

One of the things The Nuremberg Code, not to mention the Bill of rights, established was that governments cannot compel anyone to accept unwanted medical treatments for any reason … especially experimental drugs, either by force or through coercion. There is no evidence that what they’re calling a vaccine is saving any lives … but we know it is killing people.

The idea that they are also coercing people who have survived the infection and have natural immunity to submit to a dangerous, life threatening treatment is criminal. Monsters who advocate for such treatment of citizens are criminally insane. I see cause for people like you to be removed from society.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 11:38 pm

In NZ nobody is being forced to be vaccinated. And it is proven by multiple studies that the vaccines are saving thousands of lives. In contrast spreading anti-vac falsehoods is responsible for the deaths of innocent citizens.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 12:16 am

New Zealand is a police state run by a sociopath. Why would they bother forcing vaccines in a nation of female sheep like New Zealand? They’ve only had 28 deaths and fewer than 590 cases? They’ve killed far more from ‘spillover’ deaths, by at least an order of magnitude, due to unreasonable measures taken against the Chinese virus. They’re a disgrace, like Australia … doing enormous harm to further the socialist agenda.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 2:49 am

We are definitely not ALL sheep in NZ. Opposition is rapidly growing to our communistic dear leader, especially since her announcement of the confiscation of 3 Waters owned by ratepayers. The ONLY problem now is how we can demonstrate our opposition so strongly that even Cindy has to take notice..

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mike Lowe
October 27, 2021 10:48 am

New Zealand has lost massive prestige. You guys better do something soon. Social experiments, like electing your existing PM are far too costly … and dangerous. Such people should never be allowed into public office. The fact they were (like electing Trudeau, here in Canada) is a disgrace.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 1:19 pm

New Zealand is a police state run by a sociopath. “
You really are just a plonker aren’t you.
If you are going to try to convince people you are anything but completely uninformed, at least get your numbers right. There have been 5,899 cases. And what spillover deaths? You are talking complete conspiracy BS as always.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 27, 2021 2:02 pm

What conspiracy? The important point is they have only had 28 deaths attributed to covid. Spillover is what none of the authorities want anyone to talk about and what the media avoids … that the cure is worse than the disease. There’s no evidence that the jab has saved an lives in NZ.

If I’m a plonker … look at your own down votes, son.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 5:03 pm

Ha ha, Down votes. Have you not noticed that at WUWT calling out the crazy tin foil bollocks here is not always popular with the, well, crazy tin foil bollocks brigade of which you seem to be the leader. Still if it is any consolation, I must say I am strangely comforted in the fact that people like you will not have the vaccine.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 27, 2021 5:35 pm

You failed to point out what conspiracy I was projecting.

You seem to be the only “tin foil hat” wearer in this discussion. You’ve never made a point that wasn’t easily debunked. You’re simply out of your depth every time you post. People who support AGW just aren’t all tat bright … or they’re dishonest, so of course you’re unpopular.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 5:43 pm

Haha, so we are not all “tat” bright huh? Keep writing, you are making my day.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 27, 2021 8:12 pm

I’ll bet you had to check my misspelling in the dictionary … but still haven’t managed to answer my question.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Simon
October 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Oh Simon, Simon. Is this the same Simon whose feelers get hurted when somebody says “simple”? Comforted by the hope that Rory will die is it? Sorry to put you out of your happy place but I’ve been fully vaccinated.

Simon
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 27, 2021 7:23 pm

“Sorry to put you out of your happy place but I’ve been fully vaccinated.”
I’m pleased to hear it. You must have at least a reasonable level of intelligence. But don’t say it too loud round here, they will want you burned at the stake.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 27, 2021 8:19 pm

What I find hilarious about his comment is; the pseudo-vaccines are almost certain to conflict with my current medical treatment causing fatal side effects.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 28, 2021 12:32 am

What I find hilarious about his comment is; the pseudo-vaccines are almost certain to conflict with my current medical treatment causing fatal side effects.”
Well then don’t have it. But for normal people your chances of surviving on this planet are made significantly higher if you have the covid vaccine. It’s not rocket science.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
October 28, 2021 10:21 am

You’re an idiot if you think Pfizer/Moderna is saving the planet from infections, Simon the Zealot.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
October 28, 2021 11:45 am

Wrong again, simple Simon. It’s your simplistic mind that tells you those things. No one has the vaguest idea what the long term sequelae to these covid treatments [sic] will be. We already know they aren’t working as we were told they were. You need to pull your head out of your ass and do some reading.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 7:42 am

Total horse-puckey.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 2:06 am

Aren’t most “covid” cases now in the vaccinated?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 27, 2021 10:43 am

Yes, that was my understanding. It’s all very suspicious.

Simon
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 27, 2021 5:55 pm

Please tell me again. Of the people losing their lives to this virus, what is the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated?

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 1:35 am

For the younger people at least, there’s data out there that shows more serious side effects or lives are lost due to vaccination than to the virus.
https://tkp.at/2021/10/25/daten-aus-england-zeigen-negative-gesamt-wirksamkeit-der-impfstoffe/

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John Endicott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 4:09 am

In that case how about the fact that the government already makes it illegal to drink and drive so what is the difference between injecting chemical substances in order to attend a concert and injesting (sic) a chemical substance in order to drive?”

?????? What muddled nonsense are you babbling about now. You just said it was illegal to ingest a chemical substance in order to drive (IE drink and drive), and yet you are equating that illegal activity to an activity you want to be legal (mandating of injections in order to to a concert). The equivalent to the illegality of drinking and driving would be to make it illegal to inject a chemical substance to see a concert, just the opposite of the position you are pushing.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John Endicott
October 27, 2021 6:59 pm

Don’t be too hard on izzy and simple, they are victims of socialist indoctrination. Muddled nonsense is all they have ever known.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 7:40 am

Why then don’t these injections prevent anyone from getting infected?

TonyG
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 11:05 am

“In that case how about the fact that the government already makes it illegal to drink and drive so what is the difference between injecting chemical substances in order to attend a concert and injesting a chemical substance in order to drive?”

That has got to be one of the most dizzying spins I have ever read.

Requiring that you inject a substance is the same as requiring that you do not ingest a substance?

Rich Davis
Reply to  TonyG
October 27, 2021 7:09 pm

If you’re a totalitarian like dizzy izzy, your point of view is that if the government deigns to let you live, or the government decides it’s time for you to donate your vital organs, that’s all totally legit. What’s the difference between k!lling you and letting you live? The relevant thing is that the government should have absolute power over you.

Klem
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 1:44 am

Chris, the difference is the vaccine passport is a request to government for permission to go to dinner, eventually it will be expanded so that permission will be required to do anything. The vaccine passport is the first step to social credit.

Ron Long
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
October 26, 2021 6:40 pm

Actually, Mike, I don’t think Joe-his elevator doesn’t go to the top floor-Biden will be running in 2024.

MarkW
Reply to  Ron Long
October 26, 2021 7:08 pm

Unless the Democrats pull a Weekend at Bernie’s scam. Given how effective they were in keeping Biden under wraps during the 2020 campaign, and with 4 more years to perfect their techniques …

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ron Long
October 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Let’s hope Biden gets impeached and removed from office early in 2023.

If the Repubicans win control of the House of Representatives in Nov. 2022, they can elect Trump as Speaker of the House, and then Trump can handle the impeachment of Biden.

I would dearly love to see that. Turnabout is fair play.

Or, if a few U.S. House Democrats get exasperated enough with Biden’s stupidity, they could vote along with the Republicans to impeach Biden. The Democrats only have a five-vote majority in the House, so it would only take a few Democrats voting against Biden to get an impeachment going.

We’ll see what those U.S. House Democrats from Texas think after the next caravan shows up on the Texas border with 40,000 people in it.

Those Texas Democrats might decide it was better to vote in favor of their constituents by impeaching Biden rather than for Biden who is allowing the State of Texas to be invaded by hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens.

Biden is ignoring his duty to defend the United States and should be removed from office because of it.

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Brad
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 26, 2021 11:31 pm

This is totally false, since “Bidan” is not president to begin with. Read up on Trumps EO regarding election fraud.

DMA
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
October 26, 2021 7:10 pm

That capacity for voter fraud needs to be curtailed before the next election. After studying the work of Dr. Doug Frank and Dr. John Droz I am convinced the election was controlled over the internet. Lindell says he has proof the Chinese did a lot of it. Others have stated and shown similar data. Time will tell but Lindell is filing a suite just before Thanksgiving that is designed to require the Supreme Court to look at the evidence which is by now irrefutable. Contact your AGs and get them to look into and join this case so the next election has a chance at being fair.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  DMA
October 26, 2021 8:28 pm

Just how many deadlines have passed without Lindell providing any evidence of fraud or his claims of Trump being reinstated as president happening? Lindell is a fraud and nobody seriously expects him to provide any evidence of anything.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 9:29 pm

So guess you missed the AZ audit, Izaak the Leftist Watermelon Propagandist?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
October 26, 2021 9:33 pm

that would be the AZ audit that found more votes for Biden than the original count and no evidence of fraud?

Brad
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:33 pm

WRONG, they found more illegal votes. You need to read more.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 26, 2021 11:38 pm

The AZ audit was pure farce and further proved that Trump was right from the beginning (if that was needed). The auditors were not given access to the material they called for … but were only given the same ballots that were already counted.

It is simply not possible for one candidate to have a massive spike over three hours after the poles closed … and no votes at all for the other candidate.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 7:49 am

Jovan Pulitzer’s massive 22-volume Maricopa ballot paper analysis has just been released, no details out yet.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
October 27, 2021 11:10 am

Yes, we shall see … and we will also find out how quickly it’s sent down the memory hole like all other damning evidence.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 28, 2021 9:49 am

Yes, the audit found a few more votes for Biden, and it also found about 50,000 questionable/illegal votes that were cast.

Biden only won by 10,500 votes in Arizona. I wonder how those 50,000 questionable votes figured into all that?

All the battleground States are going to show these kinds of irregularities.

This won’t give the election back to Trump, but it does demonstrate that election cheating is rampant and has to be stopped.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  DMA
October 26, 2021 9:16 pm

The very fact that they expect intelligent people to believe that Biden received 81 million votes or not to wonder about more votes than living voters is proof enough.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  DMA
October 26, 2021 9:30 pm

I think I just wasted 20min of my life watching Frank happy like a toddler discovering a magic algorithm showing that 10 years later most people are 10 years older and you can predict their age distribution in 2020 (including his 3 peaks in that curve) and from there get a good correlation to the number of registered voters and received ballots as a fraction of that.

Aww, this guy seems not understand population distribution too well and most importantly has no idea how a proof needs to look like.

Brad
Reply to  Laws of Nature
October 26, 2021 11:35 pm

Look up the statistical analysis done by Seth Keshel. It fully supports Dr Frank’s findings.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Brad
October 27, 2021 5:19 am

I absolutely believe Frank when he finds a high correlation between older census data and and current voter registration, this data should be highly correlated, so I am not surprised at all if Keshel would find the same.

So now both have proven that there is a high correlation between an older census and voter registration or in other words people around 40 will likely be registered to vote ten years later when they are around 50.
Completely missing here any proof of voter fraud.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Laws of Nature
October 27, 2021 7:50 am

What manner of proof do you require?

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
October 27, 2021 12:04 pm

More than that for sure.
These are not random variables Frank correlates here.
So Frank found out that if you lived in district in Pennsylvania 10 years ago, there is a very high probability that you are a registered voter there nowadays.
What correlation would you expect would you expect for that if not something just below 1?
On Youtube is a comment saying a non-manipulated district should show a systematically different behavior if there is anything to Frank´s idea. While this still would *proof* nothing, it is a good starting point, as it can show that Frank´s indicator is useless if there is no such thing.. which seems to be he case.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Laws of Nature
October 27, 2021 4:14 pm

This is certainly not what he found.

Brad
Reply to  Laws of Nature
October 27, 2021 1:50 pm

You missed the age analysis… more votes (2010 census) at 70 than registered voters (2020 census). This happened everywhere.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Brad
October 27, 2021 5:24 pm

Well, Frank did use two 2010 census data in that youtube video, a “district consensus” which was a rather smooth curve and a scaled down state consensus which showed that 3 little peaks he later so obsessed about.

Either way, the opinion form that youtube commenter seems still good. Can Frank´s analysis detect any difference between districts he claims to be manipulated and others or not?
If not his analysis seems insensitive to pick up fraud.
As to these missing features in some curves I am inclined to claim that he does not understand what exactly the data shows or artifacts stemming from his novel, unique and very untested analysis rather than a *proof* of anything.

Upfrontaussie
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
October 26, 2021 7:46 pm

Ha!!! Thought Trump would cream Joe then goes on to point out voter fraud! Idiot.

Derg
Reply to  Upfrontaussie
October 27, 2021 5:10 am

Biden got more votes then Obama 😉

Brad
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
October 26, 2021 11:25 pm

Trump did “cream” Biden, and caught them on the fraudulent voting. Have you watched his rallys? Does he look worried about the deep state? If “Bidan” were really president, DJT and his family would already be in prison or worse.
read up on the bankruptcy of the US corporation, of which creepy Joe is administrator. His speeches are on a movie set, hasn’t been in the WH.

John in Oz
October 26, 2021 5:26 pm

The spending bill now being fought over only needs a majority of one in the Senate

Not sufficient a mandate to make such enormous societal/business change

Tom Halla
October 26, 2021 5:33 pm

I pray that whomever is having Biden front for them does not indulge in sheer nihilism between now and the next election. Most of the current Democratic Party seems to be sore losers.

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 26, 2021 5:57 pm

Mr. Halla: Dems are sore losers, like Hillary Clinton? Oh, wait, you said “current”.
I couldn’t resist the opportunity to remind her! Hill gets to stew over the fact that all her “friends” in Detroit, Philly, Atlanta produced all those votes for Joe in ’20. Where were they in ’16 Hill?

Tom Halla
Reply to  paul courtney
October 26, 2021 6:02 pm

The Hildebeeste is still current.
The Democrats gamed the COVID pandemic to play with absentee ballots, a rather more difficult game to prove than 205 voters voting in alphabetic order, and signing in with the same pen.

Reply to  Tom Halla
October 26, 2021 7:13 pm

It was a slam dunk that she would win by a landslide, too – so they didn’t bother all that much. It was obvious that for Joe (at any time), they’d have to pull out all the stops.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  writing observer
October 26, 2021 10:11 pm

yep, they took it a bit easy in a couple of blue wall states and only organised a certain level of ballot stuffing – Michigan in particular.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  paul courtney
October 26, 2021 7:41 pm

Hillary is hinting at another political comeback. Of course, she’s always doing that.

This time we have the evidence on Hillary. In 2016, we just had the suspicions.

The Federal Prosecutor, Durham is charging and questioning some of Hillary’s people. Maybe ole Hillary will be up before that Grand Jury testifying before too long. Durham can ask Hillary to explain how she orchestrated the Trump/ Russian Collusion Hoax. For starters.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 26, 2021 9:34 pm

Mumus for President!

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 27, 2021 11:10 am

Problem is that evidence doesn’t matter, Tom.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
October 28, 2021 9:57 am

That is a problem.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  paul courtney
October 26, 2021 9:29 pm

In 2016, Pennsylvania kept counting and counting until Michigan was declared thus putting Trump across the line. Michigan declared because they had run out of votes to count – there wasn’t enough registered voters who had not voted left to stuff Hillary to the lead. Pennsylvania though, they still had lists of voter registrations that had not been marked off.

AndyHce
October 26, 2021 5:37 pm

It just isn’t time for the last minute turnabout yet.

gringojay
Reply to  AndyHce
October 26, 2021 6:56 pm

The slogan only recently was “lean forward” & given how things are at this threshold for USA citizens the slogan has changed to “lean into it.”

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AndyHce
Reply to  gringojay
October 26, 2021 8:11 pm

I mean the turnabout for the politician that is holding up the bulldozer, i.e. the time when he lets them have what they want.

AndyHce
October 26, 2021 5:40 pm

Them not having things under control in the next election is a pipe dream.

Janice Moore
Reply to  AndyHce
October 26, 2021 5:43 pm

So, we should just give up. — NEVER!

AndyHce
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 8:14 pm

Do you remember what
“to keep doing what doesn’t work”
is generally referred to (if you are not a lost left worshiper)?

Janice Moore
Reply to  AndyHce
October 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Do you understand that to call the pro-liberty side’s goal of winning an election a “pipe dream” is to say that it is pointless to try winning that election?

Andyhce
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 11:05 pm

It is highly likely that it is a useless exercise. Anymore, the elections are likely to be just a prop to keep the clueless busy and somewhat out of the way.

Besides, is there really a single senator or representative that is really “pro-liberty”?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 26, 2021 9:24 pm

As they say in Paris … if there is any hint of fraud next time the populace will tear up the streets and take it to the barriers. There will be no; “going gently into the good night”.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  AndyHce
October 26, 2021 9:22 pm

It they try it again, I expect more will be done about it than expressing hard feelings. With “let’s go Brandon” on the lips of middle America after only 9 months in, think what the political and social climate will be like 36 months in. If there is a hint of election fraud again it won’t be the Democrat’s goons doing the intimidating.

Andyhce
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 26, 2021 11:06 pm

It will be the FBI stooges escalating problems that can be complained about endlessly for another year or two, or more, and producing the excuse for more draconian measures.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Andyhce
October 26, 2021 11:47 pm

The FBI have already been outed as a corrupt group of brown nosers carrying water for the progressives and the Marxists. No one trusts them now. They weren’t even very good at their espionage. They were caught in the act.

Derg
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 27, 2021 5:12 am

But they still are in power 🙁

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Derg
October 27, 2021 11:08 am

True, they are, but look at who and what is running the government. If Trump had had his second term they would have been on his hit list. I think he would have got them back doing their job instead of carrying water for the Democrats. If Stalin had proved anything it was that no one and nothing can escape serious scrutiny.

John
October 26, 2021 6:00 pm

on one hand he wants clean electricity and banning Exploration
on the other hand he is begging Saudi to increase supplies

He obviously has nothing between the ears to comprehend that it does not matter where the oil comes from it still produces CO2 and it actually requires all that energy to transport it from the Middle East

Janice Moore
Reply to  John
October 26, 2021 6:17 pm

His team doesn’t want “clean” energy. They want to promote the solar, wind, and electric vehicle scams.

Coal and natural gas and nuclear are as or MORE “clean.” And they cover their costs of production and maintenance with a fair market price.

Dennis G Sandberg
October 26, 2021 6:19 pm

I’ll believe it when I see it. Romney may decide he needs to help the dems “save the planet” before he decides to retire from politics, to as they always say, “spend more time with my family”.

n.n
October 26, 2021 6:29 pm

No one is fooled. It’s clean electricity, as in Green energy, and Green agenda, as in… well, green.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  n.n
October 26, 2021 9:30 pm

Watermelons for all!

The Emperor's New Mask
October 26, 2021 6:36 pm

I would not count the “progressive” (i.e. Marxist) wing of the Democrat party out just yet. They have control, and they play the long game. Witness Obamacare. The Dems are not afraid to commit short term electoral suicide to advance leftism, since they know that the Republicans are too corrupt and/or feckless to roll back anything.

That said, a Youngkin victory over McAuliffe next Tuesday would probably be enough of a shock to kill the Biden agenda (or the agenda of whomever it is running the executive branch). Not that I realistically expect the D to lose Virginia.

October 26, 2021 7:57 pm

Stop using the term “clean electricity” to describe wind and solar. Don’t buy into the garbage language the Left uses to sell their Trojan Horse.

Behind those wind turbines and blades and solar PV panels are mountains upon mountains of coal burned in China for each.
There is nothing “fossil fuel free” sustainable about claimed sustainable wind and solar electricty production machines.

John the Econ
October 26, 2021 7:58 pm

Probably the best outcome for the Democrats. $4-to-$5 gas, 2x natural gas rates, propane shortages and brownouts-to-blackouts along with another >5% inflation hit would finish the Democrats for at least a decade.

Joe
Reply to  John the Econ
October 27, 2021 7:53 am

John, sadly you are correct. At this moment in time citizens of the U.S. are still to comfortable. Even when $5 gas, 2x NG and 5% inflation hits, most will still have the money to survive. What will spark the revolt will be when, through bad leftist policy, energy supplies are interrupted. Nothing will piss off the people more, that having money to fill the gas tank, heat homes, keep the lights on, buy food etc. all while the leftist keeps those things from the market.

I hope this makes sense.
Joe

Rud Istvan
October 26, 2021 7:59 pm

I leave the Trump stuff out. The ‘It’s dead Jim’ stuff is dead no matter what, for many GND reasons:
high cost
intermittency
no grid inertia

No technical salvation is possible.

markl
October 26, 2021 8:13 pm

Too close a margin for my liking. Remember when the Kyoto protocol vote was 100% against? We’re sleeping while the enemy is actively plotting.

griff
October 27, 2021 1:17 am

Meh… Even in backwards America, renewables will increase their use… bill or no bill

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 6:38 am

Only if the government subsidies are carried on. Without the subsidies, there is no ‘renewable’ energy.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 8:24 am

Massive subsidies are proof that renewables are successful.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 8:25 am

This would be the “backwards” America that has been carrying Europe both economically and politically for the last 100 years?

Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 9:02 am

SHHH! Griff has a fragile mindset let him keep his foolish delusions. It makes it easier to mock him mercilessly .

Joe
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 10:09 am

This backwards America is providing the blanket of security that has alowed the whole of Europe to descend into the social nightmare it is today.

Joe

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 2:43 pm

My State of Oklahoma stopped paying subsidies to windmill farms last year.

The windmill farms still get federal subsidies, but nothing from Oklahoma tax payers.

There wouldn’t be any windmill farms, if not for government subsidies. Windmill farms cannot stand on their own economically. They would go broke without subsidies.

Windmills should be rejected as a power source.

richard
October 27, 2021 3:45 am

My feeling is the world is swinging to the populist right and people are waking up to the madness of the green dreams.

Sara
October 27, 2021 4:36 am

You guys are forgetting one important thing: the North American continent has a flyway pattern for all birds migrating south, from way up in Canada and down to where I live. This includes geese and ducks, which are game birds that hunters and photographers are after. I have plenty of photos of migrating flocks that take off from Lake Koshkonong and other places and stop over near where I live.

If those effing bird beaters go up, they’ll be planted right smack in the middle of the flyways and will kill off more of the migrating flocks than any hunter/s ever thought of in their wildest dreams.

I’m referring not only to game birds but also to the smaller species like songbirds. Yes, cardinals stay around here in the winter to mooch off of me and other birdwatchers, along with sparrows and juncos and a large number of other species, but many smaller birds as well as the geese and ducks and even corvids (among all the other winged critters) still go south to greener pastures.

The more that crap can be squelched into nonexistence – by whatever means it takes – the BETTER. I despise this pellmell rush to destroy wildlife.

Wind turbines kill migrating birds. PERIOD. I want it stopped!!!!!!!

Does anyone have any questions?

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littlepeaks
October 27, 2021 8:46 am

Here in Colorado Springs, Colorado Springs Utilities recently shuttered one of its two remaining coal-fired plants and converted it to natural gas. This is after they spent a ton of money installing a device to greatly reduce air pollution from the exhaust from burning coal. They said the price of coal was greatly increasing, whereas natural gas prices are relatively stable. Now I’m hearing that we should be prepared for a large increase in utility prices due to increase in natural gas prices. Meanwhile, they stop itemizing on monthly utility statements — our City Council had voted an extra charge of $25 a month to pay for the big spike in natural gs prices during the storm in Texas last spring.

ResourceGuy
October 27, 2021 10:22 am

A climate marketing spin product never actually dies, it is refabricated to placate the advocacy lobby. And in all cases the ratepayers, taxpayers, and non-agenda science are left out of the equation. Thank you Sen. Manchin for answering to your state and in turn the whole country. We also appreciate the fact that research in WV detected the VW diesel cheating that EPA and other agenda pushers missed.

DCE
October 27, 2021 10:23 am

Clean energy? OK, how about Gen III and Gen IV nuclear plants?

Once built and commissioned they would have zero carbon output, can provide a steady electrical output (as compared to solar and wind) and do so regardless of the sun, wind, and weather. They can provide 100% of plate capacity around the clock for years at a time. They also take up a very small fraction of the land area equivalent solar and wind generation facilities require.

S.K.
October 27, 2021 11:44 am

Manchin is probably welcome in the Republican party at this point in time.

Mike Lindell is taking his election fraud case to the supreme court just prior to Thanksgiving so the Biden rein may end sooner than we think.

Steve Z
October 27, 2021 2:28 pm

Senator Joe Manchin is up for re-election in 2022, and he knows he’d be toast if he voted for the Green New Deal, while representing a state full of coal miners. The other Senator from West Virginia, Shelley Moore Capito, was re-elected in 2020 as a Republican with about 70% of the vote. They are both loyal defenders of Old King Coal. President Trump also got about 68% of the vote in West Virginia in 2020.

The so-called Green New Deal is a redux from 2010, when the Democrats wanted to do cap-and-trade on permits to emit CO2. The Democrats had 60 senators (filibuster-proof) at the time, but there were so many coal-state Democrats that voted against it that it didn’t even get 50 votes in the Senate. Three of those coal-state Democrats from 2010 are still in the Senate now (Jon Tester of Montana, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, and Sherrod Brown of Ohio), and may also want to strip the Green New Deal out of the “reconciliation” bill if Manchin folds.

Joe Biden trying to pledge CO2 emission reductions in Glasgow is like a knight without shining armor, or a horse.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Steve Z
October 27, 2021 4:17 pm

Blank Looks Matter

spock
November 2, 2021 2:19 am
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