Baden-Württemberg Government Announces Plans To Clear Cut State Forest, Build 1000 Turbines

From the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin on 6. August 2021

Dystopian nature protection….500 wind turbines in state forests, millions of tons of concrete and steel…deforestation, permanently destroyed biotopes.

A large part of southwestern Germany’s idyllic natural landscape is about to be industrialized by 1000 “environmentally friendly” wind turbines.

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Germany faces an ecological dystopia. Image: Windwahn

How wind power endangers Germany’s nature and the health of its citizens

By Werner Köppen
www.klima-diegrossetransformation.de

(Translated, subheadings by P. Gosselin) 

“State wants to build 500 new wind turbines in the state forest,” was the headline in the Badische Zeitung on July 26 over the decision by Germany’s Baden-Württemberg state government. This decision is the first step by the state coalition government of The Greens and CDU to build 1000 wind turbines in the next legislative period.

The news came only a few days after the flood disaster in North Rhine Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate, where it was quite obvious that a lack of flood plains was the main cause of the floods. Now policymakers have decided to destroy even more valuable forest areas and to seal the deforested ground with tens of thousands of tons of concrete.

Permanently disfigured landscape

Each wind turbine means the clear-cutting of 0.35 km2 of forest, lost CO2 and moisture reservoirs, all to be sealed by 3500 tons of concrete each for each turbine. To date, such concrete blocks have never been removed, insurmountable obstacles to deep-rooted trees and natural water control.

Moreover, two other negative impacts have been ignored by the press so far. First, scientific research that shows wind turbines slow down the wind and cause temperature increases locally, two effects that dry out the soil.

Infrasound

Even more serious is the health risk, and it is incomprehensible that in an environmentally and health-conscious country like Germany, medical warnings about infrasound from wind turbines are not discussed in detail, and are even systematically downplayed.

Slipshod health impact assessments

According to the current state of knowledge, the approval of wind turbines is done according to inappropriate regulations and standards, i.e. infrasound is wrongly evaluated. The medical reactions of desperate residents near wind farms, who seek protection from the agonizing sound waves, are dismissed as imaginary illnesses. Some are left with the sole option of abandoning their own homes. Yet, medical experts have been warning for some time about the harmful effects of infrasound on blood vessels and brain functions.

Ideology

Currently, the global temperature increase since 1979 has been about 0.15 °C per decade (see Vahrenholt, Lüning: Unwanted Truths), the world is far from the 4 to 6 °C by 2100 predicted in the first scare stories about climate change. Moreover, according to current science, carbon dioxide is not the main driver of global warming. But scientific technical debate has become secondary today. In the group of the so-called “climate protectors” there is no willingness to question their thesis of man-made climate change.

Under these conditions, it is irresponsible to turn our country, Germany, into an industrial landscape and, moreover, to sacrifice our health and prosperity.

Overriding Ministry of Climate Protection

Just a few days ago, the Green Party has presented its so-called climate protection emergency program, which would grant a climate protection ministry a veto right against all present laws that are not Paris-compliant. Thus, a radical eco-socialist system would be imposed on Germany, with a 2.5% share of global CO2 emissions, in a rush.

On this subject, my website www.klima-diegrossetransformation.de compiles the scientific evidence, mutatis mutandis.

Hat-tip: Die kalte Sonne.

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Ed Hanley
August 7, 2021 2:29 am

A nuclear plant would be much less environmentally destructive.

Even if it accidentally melts down.

Vuk
Reply to  Ed Hanley
August 7, 2021 3:21 am

Volume of the CO2 released for manufacture and installation of turbines + CO2 that forests might have absorbed is going significantly enhance grain and potato crops yield. Germans would welcome slightly warmer winters and sunnier summers for their wine industry, while few sane people are concerned about global warming anyhow.

Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  Vuk
August 7, 2021 8:53 am

Volumes of CO2 is not an issue, the manufacturing will be mostly done it China, so it’s THEIR fault. The heavy equipment operation for the installation can all be done with EV’s (with only a slight temporary increase in lignite use because the last of their nukes will be shut down by the time this horrendous mistake works it way through the courts).

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
August 7, 2021 10:28 am

Dennis: 3500t of concrete per windmill. Also EV’s are still toys re heavy transport and construction

W Browning
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 7, 2021 2:04 pm

Hey griff, do you know How they Make Concrete? It takes a huge kiln and lots of heat with Tons of CO2 generated. just sayin’

griff
Reply to  Ed Hanley
August 7, 2021 8:53 am

…and you’d clear a lot more woodland to build one. But that would be OK?

Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 9:11 am

Wrong, the spread of 1000 windmills need a lot of more place.

Bryan A
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 1:25 pm

For example, Diablo Canyon NPP produces 2200MW on roughly 12 acres of land. Even with out buildings and parking only around 50 acres of land is developed

A typical 1,000-megawatt nuclear facility in the United States needs a little more than 1 square mile to operate. NEI says wind farms require 360 times more land area to produce the same amount of electricity and solar photovoltaic plants require 75 times more space.

Drake
Reply to  Bryan A
August 7, 2021 3:52 pm

But bird choppers and solar are unreliable generation methods. Nuclear produces 24/7.

TonyG
Reply to  Bryan A
August 7, 2021 5:07 pm

Bryan, my math gave me 65 times the space for this vs. nuclear, but that’s only accounting for nameplate capacity. Either way, it’s a LOT more dead trees.

Brooks H Hurd
Reply to  Bryan A
August 8, 2021 9:45 am

Diablo Canyon currently produces 9% of the power consumed in the state. It will shut down in 2025 thanks to the efforts of the green loonies. These same green loonies want to ban the sales of non-EVs and natural gas. They push for more electrical usage as they shut down electrical generating plants. Their solution is to encourage Californians to not use electricity between 4PM and 9PM.

The inmates have been given the keys to the California asylum.

Bryan A
Reply to  Brooks H Hurd
August 8, 2021 5:20 pm

Their ultimate solution would be 30,000,000 fewer Californians including every registered Republican and no electricity usage between 4 pm and 9 am

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 4:38 pm

and service roads and expensive, new power line construction, and copper, and….

Leo Smith
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 9:17 am

No. griff. The power density of a nuclear power station is about a thousand times greater than a wind farm. Did you really not know this?

I am somewhat shocked that you are promoting opinions based on such utter ignorance.

If you want to reduce CO2 emissions and protect the environment nuclear power is as good as it gets. Ergo one presumes that that is not your objective. Might one enquire what is your objective?

Bryan A
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 7, 2021 1:27 pm

Foistering the belief in useless weather dependant energy sources because their fuel source is “Free”

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 8, 2021 11:43 am

Griff is paid to spew nonsense.

goracle
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 8, 2021 6:52 pm

griff is a troll…. likely getting paid to sit in mommy’s basement and make nonsensical posts… he only espouses “truth” he agrees with… everything else is racist

Don Perry
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 9:51 am

Wind turbines require 360 times more land area than nuclear to produce an equal amount of power. Your total ignorance is astounding!

Lrp
Reply to  Don Perry
August 7, 2021 1:32 pm

It’s not ignorance, it’s shameless lying

ATheoK
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 12:01 pm

giffiepoo spouting sheer nonsense.

Lrp
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 1:31 pm

You’re lying

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Lrp
August 7, 2021 2:43 pm

I don’t even think he’s lying. He just doesn’t know any better and says the first thing that pops into his head.

Drake
Reply to  Lrp
August 7, 2021 3:58 pm

Sorry, Lrp, I responded re his lying after his post before reading your reply.

Yes, he is lying, unequivocally!

philincalifornia
Reply to  Drake
August 7, 2021 4:20 pm

He’s lying, possibly a paid troll and he’s as dumb as a bag of hammers.

How’s that climate stabilisation going in the UK griff. You stopped any unprecedented hurricanes yet?

MarkW
Reply to  philincalifornia
August 7, 2021 9:44 pm

At least a bag of hammers can be useful.

Ted
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 3:55 pm

It now seems feasible that the original enviro-loon Griff has been replaced by a rational person in liberal guise that’s lobbing softballs for people to easily crush with facts.

Drake
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 3:55 pm

So, I think you have asked in the past for an example of when you have lied. This is one. You know for a fact that nuclear electrical generation uses much less acreage than wind, solar, hydro or bio, and chose to act as if you do not.

Liar, liar, fossil fuels of fire.

TonyG
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 5:06 pm

Do the math griff, if you can: they’re proposing .35 km2 per turbine, that’s a total of 350 km2 with a capacity of about 1,600 MW at typical capacities. The same capacity nuclear would require 5.4 km2 – this is clearing out SIXTY-FIVE TIMES the space for the same capacity. And nuclear still generates when there’s no wind.

It’s quite obvious you don’t actually care about the environment if you’re willing to make that trade-off.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  TonyG
August 8, 2021 10:51 am

I need clarification – you say wind takes 65 times as much land, and Don Perry says 360. Which is it?

TonyG
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
August 8, 2021 12:52 pm

See my other comment on this.

I did a very simple calculation based on an estimated 1.6MW generating capacity per turbine. Don’t recall where I got that number from. Based on that number, nameplate capacity of 1000 turbines is 1600MW. That’s the basis of my calculation above.

Given that not all of them face the same way, and that they would only each hit max capacity under certain circumstances, I could easily see that 6x nameplate would be required to actually generate 1600MX on a regular basis. I suspect the 360 number is derived from a far more detailed analysis than my simple math. 65x is an absolute best (perfect) case scenario.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 7:28 pm

Again

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Alba
Reply to  griff
August 8, 2021 12:51 pm

You did read about the government of Baden-Wuertemberg deciding to clear large areas of forest to install lots of wind turbines, I suppose.

Ted
Reply to  Ed Hanley
August 7, 2021 3:54 pm

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Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Ed Hanley
August 8, 2021 6:30 am

Not long ago Japan commemorated the tenth anniversary of the tsunami which killed 15,000 of its people along with the Fukushima nuclear reactor which blew up, producing the worst radioactive leak since Chernobyl.
Here are some data
Tsunami = 15,899 deaths, +2 (Overseas), 6,157 injured, 2,529 people missing
Fukushima = Deaths – 0 from radiation, 2,202 from evacuation, 37 with physical injuries, 2 workers taken to hospital with radiation burns
I would hope journalism, accidental or otherwise, would pick up on this kind of data, because the dramatic reporting of the Fukushima power station exploding led to Japan and Germany abandoning their nuclear power industry. The same would/will apply to the reporting of the current hysteria around SARS-CoV-2.

August 7, 2021 2:37 am

The veto ministry will not pass the laws.

August 7, 2021 2:42 am
icisil
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 7:31 am

Lot of good info on wind turbine infrasound at that link

http://en.friends-against-wind.org/

August 7, 2021 2:56 am

Yet another wildv unthought out Green Scheme …What could possibly go wrong with it??

Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 3:03 am

A Study on infrasound…

Last edited 2 months ago by Dennis G Field
Jay Willis
Reply to  Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 3:41 am

Thanks Dennis. Very interesting and well made documentary.

Reply to  Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 3:47 am

Not that it is of interest for any watermelone.
(outside green. inside red, black pits)

Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 4:09 am

black holes…

Reply to  Alastair Brickell
August 7, 2021 4:28 am

Black, brown too, as political “colour” stands for Na*i.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 5:15 am

Funny you mention that. Politics and colors…

It’s long been my contention that the propaganda organs in the US, long overrun by once-closeted socialists, initially alternated red and blue between Republicans and Democrats every election cycle so that the Democrats would not be associated with the red communists. Then to neutralize the problem permanently, they promoted “red state – blue state” as conservative – liberal (in US terms, which means Liberal – Socialist/Social-Democratic in a European context). I guess it’s fitting that if we’re going to switch the words, we might as well get the colors wrong as well.

In Germany, the media use colors in a more straightforward way. The flag 🇩🇪 has schwarz, rot, gold (black, red, gold or yellow). The first leading party of the Federal Republic, the Christian Democratic Union CDU were assigned black, the Social-Democratic Party of Germany SPD were assigned red, and the Free Democratic Party FDP, the Liberals were assigned gold. I don’t think that the never-closeted socialists there were disappointed to have to assign Nazi black to the CDU, nor commie red to the SPD. The clever one is that the yellow is traditionally referred to as gold. And the Liberals are free market, they have the gold.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 4:52 am

Vorsicht Krishna!
You may associate black with the Nazis, but over in Amerika, any mention of black must be in reverent and penitential tones

starzmom
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 7, 2021 6:23 am

It should also be capitalized, as in Black.

Rich Davis
Reply to  starzmom
August 7, 2021 8:25 am

Well, Krishna didn’t intend it as a reference to Black people, his reference was to Nazis. But I cautioned him because those hyper-attentive to micro aggressions are sure to call him rayciss.

n.n
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 7, 2021 11:10 am

Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment), perhaps rabid diversity (e.g. racism).

n.n
Reply to  starzmom
August 7, 2021 11:08 am

Rather than an attribute “colored”, with social progress a color bloc “of color “.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 4:06 am

interesting video but research flawed in many ways. The infrasound used in sleep test @ 90dB impossible from WECs, Similarly for heart muscle – very high level. More importantly the WECs shown are DC generators with dc-ac electronics. The blades turn at different speeds and so the sharp peaks as shown would not be present. In one of the pictures you can clearly see that the nearest blades turn at 2/3 speed of one behind it! There’s more!

Derg
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 4:39 am

Ghalfrunt are you telling people to drink bleach?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Derg
August 7, 2021 5:26 am

Whose talking points are you reading half runt?

Derg
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 7, 2021 6:09 am

No kidding Ghalfrunt is a terrible human.

n.n
Reply to  Derg
August 7, 2021 11:12 am

To be fair, there were a couple, a few people who deferred judgment to the “fact checkers “.

StephenP
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 4:41 am

Don’t two blades turning near each other produce an intermediate beat?

Richard Page
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 6:11 am

Given that infrasound propagates in waves, several blades rotating in proximity would produce a complex pattern of interference that could vastly increase the effects of the sound waves if the peaks coincide. One ‘perfect storm’ with the blades turning together with perfect timing to produce a disastrous effect on human physiology might be rare, but certainly not impossible or even improbable

icisil
Reply to  Richard Page
August 7, 2021 6:45 am

The effect of infrasound on human physiology is documented. Doesn’t have to be a worse case scenario. The repeated inanimate mechanical force of infrasound on tissue activates immunological thickening of tissue, much like callouses on working hands. Callouses on hands are good and harmless, but thickened heart/arteries/veins (cardiovascular diseases), alveoli ()lung diseases, and brain/nerve tissues (neurologic disorders) are not. Thus vibroacoustic disease.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 6:38 am

Well they certainly do in aircraft and I have yet to see an identical aerodynamic surface faced with exactly the same pressure differential, stall at a different speed from the one bang next door to it.

I do also remember that a 1-2hz beat between turbo prop aircraft engines can be highly irritating and downright fatiguing if you have to fly for more than about 30 mins on one of those things!

n.n
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 11:16 am

A sympathetic beat that may progress with catastrophic consequences (e.g. bridge failure).

Jim Gorman
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 4:55 am

Thi9s is no different than screening chemicals for their toxicity or cancer causing effects. If there is a response to high levels then there is also a possible long term effect from lower levels of exposure. You can’t just say this works for some things and then hand wave away a similar process because you don’t like what it shows.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
August 7, 2021 5:27 am

The linear no-threshold model (LNT) is a dose-response model used in radiation protection to estimate stochastic health effects such as radiation-induced cancer, genetic mutations and teratogenic effects on the human body due to exposure to ionizing radiation. / Wikipedia/ The proponents of LNT even claim the harmful radiation affects you whEn it is less than the surrounding radiation – THAT DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. I believe it is part of the religion.

icisil
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 6:34 am

Wind turbine infrasound pulses are produced by the compression/shear forces caused by each blade as it passes the mast. 3 pulses per revolution.

Richard Page
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 7:18 am

The speed that a blade turns at will not necessarily vary the sound by a great deal. Add to that the problem of many turbines each propagating waves of infrasound and the chances of forming a complex wave where the peaks coincide increase greatly. One turbine in isolation is less of a problem than a whole farm.

Richard Mann
Reply to  ghalfrunt
August 7, 2021 12:03 pm

Wind turbines need to stop due to documented, ongoing, and cumulative health harm from infra sound.
Please see the following talk,
September 12, 2019. University of Waterloo.
Mariana Alves-Pereira (Lisbon, Portugal). “Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise: Physics & Cells, History & Health”.
Livestream:
https://livestream.com/itmsstudio/events/8781285
Despite repeated attempts to contact government, no one has responded to my requests.

John Dawson
Reply to  Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 9:03 am

Thanks Dennis, study bookmarked.

As a possible amelioration for the affected individuals in the documentary, I think it’s possible that an anti noise (acoustic cancellation) system could probably be made to work in this situation. The frequencies are low enough (i.e the wavelengths long enough at 50 feet or more). I wonder if anyone has seriously considered this?

Sommer
Reply to  Dennis G Field
August 7, 2021 10:20 am

https://livestream.com/itmsstudio/events/8781285/videos/196181579

“Infrasound & Low Frequency Noise: Physics, Cells, Health and History”

Professor Richard Mann invited Dr. Mariana Alves-Pereira to Canada to visit the largest industrial scale wind project in Ontario, in September of 2019. She then gave the presentation at the University of Waterloo. Dr. Mariana Alves-Pereira’s focus is on the harm to health from infrasound from a wide variety of sources, including industrial wind turbines.

Why are we tolerating this harm?

Sara
August 7, 2021 4:01 am

“…policymakers have decided to destroy even more valuable forest areas and to seal the deforested ground with tens of thousands of tons of concrete.” – article

Stupid is as stupid does.

They’ll be sorry….

Vuk
Reply to  Sara
August 7, 2021 4:28 am

Germans are heavy manufacturing industrialists, they are building steel forest with the long lasting concrete roots. Canopies of these modern forests will get rid of those pesky birds in no time greatly enhance flood potential of low lands as they’ve recently found out.

ATheoK
Reply to  Vuk
August 7, 2021 12:18 pm

A continuation of post WWII East German cold war socialist art and construction:

  • massive ugly concrete wastelands,
  • short lifecycle for whatever is installed,
  • Hyper expensive to maintain or repair,
  • left to become an eyesore and criminal haunt,
  • impossible to discard or dismiss.
Sara
Reply to  Vuk
August 7, 2021 3:49 pm

Don’t you kind of wonder why, if they’re so very, very concerned about environmental issues, they’d be doing everything possible to destroy the very thing they pretend to hold precious?

Bruce Cobb
August 7, 2021 4:02 am

In years hence, when the enormity of the damage they have done to the environment and to humanity has been fully revealed, there should be a Climate Nuremberg of sorts held for those responsible. Start with the world criminals of the infamous IPCC.

Scissor
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
August 7, 2021 6:17 am

Better save a few trees around Nuremberg then.

Thomas Gasloli
August 7, 2021 4:06 am

The west has already deforested the tropics to produce palm oil, the environment destroying substitute for harmless “transfat”, so it is only just that they destroy their own forests to protect themselves from harmless CO2.

The environmental and health stupidity preceded “renewable energy” and “COVID response”. This has been the hallmark of the “developed world” for half a century now.

LdB
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
August 7, 2021 11:07 pm

But they felt guilted to act just the law of unintended consequences kicked in.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
August 8, 2021 10:59 am

Please provide a link to a reputable source for the statement that the tropics have been deforested.

StephenP
August 7, 2021 4:10 am

I feel sorry for the population of Baden-Wurtenburg, but they voted the Greens into power and must accept the consequences.
The 1000 proposed new turbines at 0.35 km2 each would cover a total 1% of the land area of Baden-Wurtenburg, in the area known as the Black Forest, plus no doubt some more land needed for connectors and access roads.
Rated at 2 MW capacity, would be likely to produce about 4.4 Gwh per year, if and when the wind blows. ( I hope I have got my maths right )
Batteries will not provide grid scale backup both on a cost and feasibility basis, so it will be necessary to provide reliable backup from fossil fuel or nuclear.
What they would do with the land around the turbines is unstated, but they will be replacing woodland with its associated wildlife and carbon and rainfall sequestration potential with probably grassland with a much less diverse character and potential for accepting heavy rainfall.
I don’t think many tourists will visit the industrial landscape that replaces the Black Forest.
Porche and Mercedes Benz have their headquarters in Baden Wurtemburg, and there are many engineering companies based there who need a reliable source of electricity.
It certainly looks as if the result of the Greens policy would be a dystopian landscape, and would they stop at1000 wind turbines?

Rich Davis
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 5:35 am

My great-grandmother was born in Karlsruhe, it seems that all of my ancestral homelands have lost their minds.

I suspect that your 4.4GWh estimate (25% capacity factor) is optimistic, especially since much of the power generated will come at times when it is not needed.

starzmom
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 7, 2021 6:26 am

I lived in Karlsruhe as a child–we used to take Sunday afternoon drives to Black Forest. Even in summer it was very cold and dark–a true Hansel and Gretel forest experience. Won’t be the same if it is all windmills.

Mark D
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 9:55 am

I feel sorry for the population of Baden-Wurtenburg, but they voted the Greens into power and must accept the consequences.

I am no longer sanguine of the honesty of any election anywhere. Half my hard headed practical ancestors, machinists and electricians, are of Deutschland and I cannot imagine their ancestors being so
verdreht!

Peta of Newark
Reply to  StephenP
August 7, 2021 12:28 pm

I reckon your maths is OK

I checked on the Hinckley Point series of nukes, in Somerset UK

The original, Hinckley A, was rated at 500MW, covered 20 Ha (50 acres) of ground.
It produced, according the Wiki, 3.2GWh per year

Assuming 2MW turbines here at 25% ## will produce about the same amount of grunt on what I get to be nearly 90,000 acres of ground.

## I recall somewhere that German onshore turbines averaged 17% capacity factor.

But, they have to put them there because that is where most people live, and they live there because it is Not Very Windy.
Where it is windy, up North and in the North Sea is where nobody lives.
Thus a real whammy whammy comes in that no-one will let them build transmission lines to bring the grunt down South.

I mentioned before in another essay about how you must get yourself in front of a Big Music Rig.
(Learn to dance, go on. Nobody will laugh. honest. In fact, you will earn Epic Kudos among the assembled throng)

What you will discover is that me/ you, everybody doesn’t just ‘hear’ with our ears.
Just like Climate, there is a Human Factor that sound level meters and computers cannot get around, understand or, especially, measure.

A lovely story I heard recently as of some folks who had got themselves one very expensive Bose sound system. They were very proud of it.
One day, they called the retailer they got it from to say that it ‘sounded quiet and muffled’
They thought it was broken.
The engineer they talked to checked 2 things:

  1. Was it working – answer – yes
  2. Did they have a party recently – answer = yes

OK said the engineer, give it a few days and it’ll come back working OK again.

Because and The Selling Point of Bose (and the big EDM rigs) is that they do not distort the sound/music.
Result being you can and do turn it up incredibly, not sounding loud, but at very high sound pressure levels.
And you ‘Do your ears in

This is why the visit to the EDM rave is essential to understand ‘sound’
Because as you leave the arena, you will notice that ‘the world has gone quiet

Yes it has, birds, wind rustling, traffic etc etc are all subdued EXCEPT, the sound of the human voice.
The loud music/sound turns down your aural sensitivity but not to the sound of people talking.

Its quite crazy once it dawns.

But the main thing about the EDM music (and possibly the windmills) is that your heartbeat synchronises with the beat of the music.
Hence the vast majority of EDM tracks play at between 120 nd 125 beats per minute – about the rate you’d be working if dancing = a moderate workout in the gym.

NOW THEN, what does the beat frequencies do to people’s hearts – is THAT what’d driving them crazy?
Are the beat frequencies all over the place and your heart/brain combination cannot handle it?
It is what the guy at the very start of that Youtube is talking about….

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fretslider
August 7, 2021 4:34 am

One day these lunatics might think something through

But don’t hold your breath

Brooks H Hurd
Reply to  fretslider
August 8, 2021 10:01 am

I have never spoken to any of these lunatics who have considered the entire process of their energy schemes. Their thinking seems to be that electricity comes out of the wall socket.

TonyG
Reply to  Brooks H Hurd
August 8, 2021 12:47 pm

Brooks, you’re absolutely right.

I recall one time, in a discussion about using your EV to power your house in a blackout, someone mentioned that your car would lose power. Someone responded, completely seriously, “just plug your car in and it will charge”. (followup comments showed it was a serious response).

Same people who think that vegetables come from the supermarket and have no clue that they actually grow in the ground.

EdA the New Yorker
August 7, 2021 5:12 am

Oh my,

They will, no doubt prohibit the relaxing Schwarzwaldfahrt.

Rich Davis
Reply to  EdA the New Yorker
August 7, 2021 8:15 am

Due to the methane emissions?
🤪
Umm, sounds like…never mind.

Newminster
August 7, 2021 5:19 am

Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first drive mad!

Tom Kennedy
August 7, 2021 5:25 am

The Germans are destroying what’s left of their mostly monoculture forests and also using wood pellets that come from destroying forests in the Southeastern US. They call all of this “green renewable” energy.

You would think the "sane" Germans would stand up and say "enough please stop" ( genug bitte hör auf)
starzmom
Reply to  Tom Kennedy
August 7, 2021 6:27 am

I take it those pellets go from Georgia to Germany in diesel powered ships?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  starzmom
August 7, 2021 9:53 am

Probably Bunker C fuel, think the “Grappa of fuels.”

icisil
Reply to  Tom Kennedy
August 7, 2021 7:13 am

Harvesting of US forests for pellets (or lumber, pulp) produces only a temporary destruction. They regrow fairly quickly

Reply to  icisil
August 7, 2021 9:14 am

They burn faster than they regrow.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 7, 2021 9:54 am

Yes it’s kind of like the only problem I have with bacon – I can eat it faster than I can cook it!

Bruce Cobb
August 7, 2021 6:03 am

But at least we know it’s “for the planet”. Right Griff?

August 7, 2021 6:20 am

This is so wrong.

Previously published on wattsup:

It’s not satisfying to be correct when idiot, corrupt politicians still caused the predicted green energy disasters and good people suffered and died.
– Allan MacRae
 
“As America builds more wind and solar – with a renewed push from the Biden administration –the costs to prevent blackouts will mount in the form of massive battery farms to store power or increasingly large numbers of backup gas power plants. Instead, we should end subsidies for all energy sources while making wind and solar pay for the reliability costs they impose on the grid.”   
– Chuck DeVore, Vice President of National Initiatives, Texas Public Policy Foundation
 
OK, but here is an even better solution that I published in 2018:
1. Build your wind power system.
2. Build your back-up system consisting of 100% equivalent capacity in gas turbine generators.
3. Using high explosives, blow your wind power system all to hell.
4. Run your back-up gas turbine generators 24/7.
5. To save even more money, skip steps 1 and 3.
 
“Wind Power – It Doesn’t Just Blow, It Sucks!”
 
TOLD YOU SO 19 YEARS AGO.
 
In 2002, co-authors Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton U, Ottawa and Allan MacRae, P.Eng. (now retired), McGill, Queens, U of Alberta, wrote:

1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
 
Allan MacRae published in the Calgary Herald on September 1, 2002:
 
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
Allan MacRae modified his global cooling prediction in 2013:
 
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
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starzmom
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 7, 2021 6:29 am

The horses are seriously shedding out their summer coats and growing winter ones. Last time this happened this early, it snowed in September.

very old white guy
August 7, 2021 6:32 am

Just exactly what is “green’ about a massive wind turbine?

Reply to  very old white guy
August 7, 2021 7:15 am

Just paint it green.
Mimicry isn’t unusual, look at the cooling tower of the nuclear power plant near Montélimar in southern France (Cruas-Meysse)::
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Brooks H Hurd
Reply to  Krishna Gans
August 8, 2021 10:10 am

Please tell us all how many m3 of concrete went into this 3.6 GigaWatt power plant. Now please tell us how many m3 of concrete it would take to produce 3.6 GW of wind power at a capacity factor of 0.17.

Andy Pattullo
August 7, 2021 7:16 am

Clearly in the minds of our now useless political class the idea is that “we must destroy the environment to save it”. Next week they will be explaining why we must eat our young in order to give them a bright future.

Peter Barrett
August 7, 2021 7:32 am

and to seal the deforested ground with tens of thousands of tons of concrete.”

Could have been a more effective headline, understated by a couple of orders of magnitude.

Even more acres will be cleared for the concrete batching facility and its attendant services.

DipChip
August 7, 2021 7:33 am

Just how big is 3500 tons of concrete? To put it in perspective consider a 25 X 25 foot pad 58 feet deep.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  DipChip
August 7, 2021 8:14 am

Consider also that coal is the most widely used source of energy in the manufacture of cement and that a modern wind turbine requires 260 tonnes of steel made from 170 tonnes of coking coal. Potentially that means using 170,000 tonnes of coking coal on top of the coal required for the cement production. (Numbers from World Coal Association)

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 7, 2021 12:52 pm

And will that turbine ever produce as much energy as is used in its manufacture, installation and maintenance?

Olen
August 7, 2021 7:49 am

Check their bank accounts, if they are not taking a bribe then they are nuts. Either way they should be put away.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Olen
August 8, 2021 2:16 am

Exactly. The only important metric here is the value of the skimming off of the profits and the payola for the creeps doing it.

How did we get here?

Michael in Dublin
August 7, 2021 8:33 am

Perhaps they should allow the German residents to have a referendum like their neighbors in Switzerland give their citizens on important local matters.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 7, 2021 8:35 am

Germany, referendum ? 😀 😀 😀
The prime minister of Baden-Württemberg is a Green one…

But I think, there will nevertheless be a lot of resistance, I hope at least.

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Alba
August 7, 2021 8:49 am

I woner what Mr Kerry will say to the government of Baden-Wuerrtemberg?
As climate envoy John Kerry put it at the World Sustainable Development Summit in February: “We have to increase tree cover five times faster than we have been..”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/16/climate-crisis-last-chance-emergency

Brooks H Hurd
Reply to  Alba
August 8, 2021 10:13 am

Kerry would fly to B-W in his private jet while he lectures the rest of us on how it’s evil to fly.

griff
August 7, 2021 8:52 am

Utter nonsense.

So nobody ever clears woodland for industrial purposes in Germany or the USA?

And the irony of mentioning the floods: a truly extreme and exceptional weather event, caused by climate change

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 9:18 am

Desperation, they name be troll.
So what if other people do it. We are talking about people who claim that their motivation is to save the environment, destroying the environment.

1) The flooding while massive, was not exceptional. In that spot alone there had been at least a dozen larger floods in the records. In that region, large floods are even more common.
2) There is not a shred of evidence that the flood was even influenced by climate change, much less caused by it.

It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat your lies. Each time climate realists will shoot them down.

H.R.
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 9:29 am

Might I direct your attention here?**

‘Welt’ Commentary: Germany Flood Catastrophe Made Possible By “Inconceivable Ignorance”…”Unbelievable Scandal” – Watts Up With That?

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**No. You’ll ignore it. It puts paid to your unsubstantiated assertion that weather is climate and the less-than- Worst EVAH! flooding is proof.

lbeyeler
Reply to  H.R.
August 7, 2021 11:52 am

A similar picture from Heidelberg has been overpainted.

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DipChip
Reply to  lbeyeler
August 7, 2021 2:31 pm

The Karl-Theodor-Bridge (Alte Brucke) Roman era pedestrian Bridge in Heidelberg over the Nekar river has all the flood stages posted for much more than 1000 years. These type records are recorded all over Europe.

starzmom
Reply to  DipChip
August 7, 2021 3:08 pm

My recollection of the the bridge in Heidelberg is that the flood levels and dates were actually etched into the side of the bridge supports. I did not know it was a Roman era bridge.

StephenP
Reply to  lbeyeler
August 8, 2021 5:26 am

This attempt to censor the past reminds me of the Australian activists who uprooted a small tree on the water’s edge on a Pacific island which was inconveniently showing the lack of sea level rise.

Bryan A
Reply to  lbeyeler
August 8, 2021 5:22 pm

Must have been An Inconvenient Truth

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 10:10 am

“And the irony of mentioning the floods: a truly extreme and exceptional weather event, caused by climate change”

Bullshit; historical floods were a virtual blueprint for the flood that just occurred, and those floods occurred long before you could even attempt to blame “climate change.” There have also been far worse floods in the same area historically. Your ignorance is once again on wanton display.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 10:17 am

The griffster supplies us with another laugh…

H.R.
Reply to  Gregory Woods
August 7, 2021 1:36 pm

Yes, I complimented griff on that ability (produce laughs) on another thread.

Our griff is a bit of a dipole. griff makes some people laugh and others see red.

In almost all cases, griff just makes bare naked assertions. I’m surprised griff’s comments aren’t all rated R. 😜

philincalifornia
Reply to  H.R.
August 8, 2021 2:18 am

Actually they all have an A for Asperger’s, a common malady in climate crackpots.

Leo Smith
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 10:22 am

poor griff. I think we should all take the knee to acknowledge such utter ignorance and hang our heads in shame at having fialed to provide a citizen of the united kingdom with even a modicum of scientific understanding or common sense.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 7, 2021 10:36 am

Sounds like the another success story for the teacher’s unions.

TonyG
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 7, 2021 5:11 pm

Leo, the problem is griff’s ignorance is also clearly intentional, as he willfully ignores any facts that are provided to him.

Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 10:48 am

Floods in general are caused by rain. And without doubt, rain is, was will ever be weather. The quantities of falling rain changes over the years, the monts, the days.
And as statistics show us (Gaussian distribution), you always have exceptions in both directions, to more, to less rain, even a lot more rain, or no rain at all. So, explain, what you want to tell us.

The district Admintrator of the region will be sued for negligent homicide and bodily injury caused by negligence.
And nobody because auf CC.

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Richard Page
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 3:33 pm

If I hadn’t known you were delusional before this, Griffy – this would have convinced me. On the one hand, you deplore humanity’s effects on the environment to the point of attributing every little bit of weather to man made climate change, then on the other you have absolutely no problems in bulldozing a beautiful thousands of years old ancient forest for a man-made concrete and steel construction project. You and your kind that want this crap are delusional and have no souls.

TonyG
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 5:10 pm

You have to destroy the environment to save the environment?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 5:36 pm

I already knew this Griff entity is a nutter.

Have you ever visited the Schwarzwald region?
“wald” mean wood.

Baden means that area from Baden-Baden down, right close to the border with the capital of Alsace – STRASBOURG.
It is supposed to remain beautiful and unspoilt by human hand as there are many nature reserves.

Without the forests and “woods” it ceases to be a region of outstanding natural beauty, like exists opposite on the other side of the Rhine valley.
Alsace.

I lived there many years.

One of the reasons for the tourism in Alsace is the almost complete ABSENCE of these windmills & the unspoilt access on the mountains of Alsace called the Vosges.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2021 7:42 pm

Again

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Bryan A
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
August 7, 2021 7:58 pm

You’re going to have to stop posting that Pat, I only have so many Plus Ones I can use a day and you’re monopolizing them

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
August 8, 2021 7:42 am

Griff…
And exactly how many “Industrial Projects” have required clear cutting an equal amount of forested land in Germany, per project, other than Biomass Production for Green Generation?

2hotel9
Reply to  griff
August 9, 2021 3:32 am

And yet more lies spewed by the lie spewing liar.

Leo Smith
August 7, 2021 9:11 am

There is one more diverse einvirnmental inpact: trees and leafmould are great sponges absorbing peak levels of rainfall. It is well known that slopes cleared of trees show peak water flows much higher ,and massively increase the chances of avalanches under snow condtions. Wreckig the envoronment to create ecosystem problems that will be blamed on climate change is inspired deception, even for Germany

Mike Maguire
August 7, 2021 9:40 am

There is only 1 authentic green energy.

It’s the one that’s massively greening up the planet based on the irrefutable law of photosynthesis and the key role of CO2.

Every single authentic measurement proves that to be true…..and it will continue, as long as CO2 continues to increase, along with the current, scientific climate optimum for life.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/

The political climate crisis, featuring CO2 = pollution is just a manufactured reality. It’s best support has been computer simulations of the atmosphere going out 100 years, using subjectively chosen equations……. that have been too warm for 4 decades but never get reconciled to the empirical data of the real world.

Those solutions(that double the real world warming) have too much value politically to be adjusted to reality.

Gary Pearse
August 7, 2021 10:22 am

The obedience tendency of Germans surely has a limit. They’ve watched the destruction of their culture, economy and values by Gov open doors to the hords (can we make a logical connection re mental health of Merkel to the open door come-what-may of the US head of state?). Germans seem born with a strong love of nature, though. Will the clear cutting plan be a bridge too far? Let’s hope so.

pochas94
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 7, 2021 1:54 pm

I suspect that the Germans are afraid of electing competent leaders, fearing that they will get another Hitler.

Mike
Reply to  pochas94
August 7, 2021 8:20 pm

Beside being a maniac, Hitler was not very competent.
But I see your point. If the Germans allow the above forest destruction and fill it with concrete, they deserve the consequences. It’s up to those with some kind of brain to illuminate the gravity of that decision, and for others to allow it to be heard.

August 7, 2021 10:46 am

Only healthy and wealthy countries like the USA, Germany, Australia, and the UK can subsidize electricity from breezes and sunshine, and intermittent electricity at best. The 80 percent of the 8 billion on earth living on less than 10 dollars a day cannot subsidize themselves out of a paper bag. Those poorer countries must rely on affordable and abundant coal for reliable electricity, while residents in the healthy and wealthier countries pay dearly for those subsidies with some of the highest cost for electricity in the world.

TonyG
August 7, 2021 2:05 pm

I have been told many times that this simply is not done. Nobody cuts down trees for stuff like this.

I would bet I could show this to the people who have said that, and they would still maintain their position.

Al Miller
August 7, 2021 3:44 pm

The lunacy of this plan..it could ONLY be conceived by big, big government where all moronic ideas get their day!

Robert Alfred Taylor
August 7, 2021 3:50 pm

Clearly the “Precautionary Principle” forbids windfarm development until all human, animal (including insects), and plant effects that may be injurious or even non beneficial are fully investigated and shown to be absolutely safe. (sarcasm. if necessary to say)

ResourceGuy
August 7, 2021 4:40 pm

As a bonus you get more wood chip mixture with coal burning for DRAX etc. /sarc

ren
August 8, 2021 3:54 am

Man should learn from beavers and build natural dams (not concrete ones) in swamps and floodplains. This is the only way to lower temperatures locally.

Tom Abbott
August 8, 2021 5:53 am

I read yesterday where there are plans to put 1,000 new windmills in Wyoming, just as soon as they settle the claims of landowners who are holding up the building of transmission lines.

The builders want to send the electricity all the way to California from Wyoming.

More dispoiled landscape.

Stephen Skinner
August 8, 2021 6:25 am

This is where all their insects have gone, all smashed up on the blades. That is if it’s true about the loss of insects.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
August 8, 2021 7:10 am

Michael Shellenberger, (p195 Apocalypse Never) quotes a German researcher, Dr Franz Trieb of the Institute of Thermodynamics in a paper “Interference of Flying Insects and Wind Parks” Sept 30th 2018

“Wind-rich migration trails used by insects for millions of years are increasingly seamed by wind farms” and a “rough but conservative estimate of the impact of wind farms on flying insects in Germany” is a “loss of about 1.2 trillion insects of different species per year” which “could be relevant for population stability.”

Ominously when he emailed Dr Trieb to ask for an interview he was told that Dr Trieb “cannot give any interviews on that topic” with the Institute saying “please accept” that neither they nor Dr Trieb “are available for further comment on this topic.”

Flying insects are important parts of the ecosystem and play a crucial role in pollination,for example.

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