Andrew Neil challenges Extinction Rebellion co-founder: ‘Why don’t you ever mention China?’

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Sparko
June 26, 2021 2:12 am

For much the same reason that they used to defend Stalin.

Kazinski
Reply to  Sparko
June 26, 2021 4:27 am

All Communists are bastards.

n.n
Reply to  Kazinski
June 26, 2021 11:16 am

Left-wing (e.g. democratic/dictatorial) regimes, with nominally “secular” religions, have a propensity to progress and divergence that often includes wicked solutions to purportedly hard problems.

Bryan A
Reply to  Kazinski
June 26, 2021 3:01 pm

Careful what label you use, the Bass might not appreciate having their excrement maligned

commieBob
Reply to  Sparko
June 26, 2021 6:12 am

The book Gulag Archipelago delegitimized Marxism and helped bring down the Soviet Union.

The philosopher Isaiah Berlin said that, “Until the Gulag, the Communists and their allies had persuaded their followers that denunciations of the regime were largely bourgeois propaganda.”

It blows my mind that people can spout the Marxist mantra and hold their heads high.

In the same regard, we see the Chinese treatment of its Muslim minority. If you’re going to criticize western civilization, and you don’t criticize China even more harshly, you deserve to be called out and exposed as a hypocrite and a charlatan.

Anon
Reply to  commieBob
June 26, 2021 9:42 am

This has to be one of the most classic examples of the “useful idiot” that I have ever seen. A textbook case. IMHO

It is so interesting that Roger Hallam says: “we have been told for the last 30 years” but who told him? (he never questions them: IPCC, scientists who rose to the top of their fields). Then he goes on to talk about “curtailing freedoms” (OMG!!!)… in the USSR scientists said (those who were allowed to publish) Lysenkoism was the scientific truth.

So, even though he is willing to discuss CAGW with Andrew Neil, he seems to be stuck here, in a quasi-religion:

How to spot an ideologue

“In an era when metaphysical and existential certainties are in a state of crisis, when people are being uprooted and alienated and are losing their sense of what this world means . . . ideology inevitably has a certain hypnotic charm. To wandering humankind it offers an immediately available home: all one has to do is accept it, and suddenly everything becomes clear once more, life takes on new meaning, and all mysteries, unanswered questions, anxiety, and loneliness vanish. Of course, one pays dearly for this low-rent home: the price is abdication of one’s own reason, conscience, and responsibility, for an essential aspect of this ideology is the consignment of reason and conscience to a higher authority. The principle involved here is that the center of power is identical with the center of truth.”~ Valclav Havel

https://mercatornet.com/how-to-spot-an-ideologue/8464/

Hallam just doesn’t see/examine who might be pulling his strings. He sees himself as a rebel, but does not see the huge financial interests that back him. Thus, he is behaving like a zealous communist in Josef Stalin’s Russia: who want to “tear down the man” when they are in fact the man. (facepalm)

A classic case of useful idiotism: Extinction Rebellion brought in the votes, and now they can go away for 4 years, until they are needed again. And if they get out of line, of course they will be shunned. Yet he is totally oblivious to this and thinks he is participating in something “real” than in something “manufactured”. IMHO

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mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 2:19 am

When I was young I had long hair but when I got older I realised it was a pain in the arse but this guy has obviously never grown up.
He comes across as a complete wanker with no worry in his life which means he has money so does not need to worry. Those that are not rich have many things to worry about in their life unlike him.
Sounds like a bloody ponce anyway.

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 3:05 am

At least the trousers aren’t corduroy and he’s not wearing sandals with socks.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 26, 2021 3:36 am

its getting VERY hard to find cords in the opshops now;-)

Ketil Mortensen
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 26, 2021 5:02 am

He has probably been smoking all his socks, at the same time. That is just as incoherent as I imagined both Julian (Roger) and his co founder Gail Marie (who did a drug trip in South America).

Paul Carlton
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 26, 2021 4:29 pm

I’m wearing cords!

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Paul Carlton
June 26, 2021 5:39 pm

Vip! Vip! as you walk.

H.R.
Reply to  Paul Carlton
June 26, 2021 5:50 pm

We all knew that, Paul. Everyone could hear you walking around this comment thread; zwip, zwip, zwip...

Now you know why James Bond never wore corduroys.
😜

Klem
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 3:16 am

Exactly, it’s hard to beleive that someone can make a living doing what that guy does, and something tells me its a very good living.

If he actually meant what he says, he’d be living in a tent and cooking on a stove heated by cattle dung, but I don’t that’s the case, do you?

mikebartnz
Reply to  Klem
June 26, 2021 3:30 am

But cattle dung is not green either.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 4:02 am

You’ve obviously never stood in the fresh stuff.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 26, 2021 4:15 am

I must admit I never stood in a hot cow pat on the way to school because I had fourteen k to get there but I have known plenty to have done so to warm their little tooties up.
Imagine today that a kid would get a thrill from standing in a lovely hot cow pat.
Most people of today just don’t realise just how far we have progressed.

Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 2:25 am

This is what pathological altruistic self righteous delusion looks likes.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals” C. S. Lewis

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Buckeyebob
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 3:25 am

Adam Smith’s ‘unseen hand’ is the best cure for all that ails us.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 9:45 am

“To be “cured” against one’s will”

I misread that and thought it said “To be ‘cured’ of one’s will”. I think that is what the liberals are really doing. The “liberals” are trying to cure us all of “free will”!

MarkH
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
June 26, 2021 5:00 pm

“You’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy!”

It was never a promise, only ever a threat.

Paul Jenkinson
June 26, 2021 2:26 am

How sad.

Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 2:29 am

Here are the number of Coal fired power stations in various countries with the 2nd numbers signifying planned and population size in brackets:
……..4 / ……0….UK……………….(66,600,000)
…..19 / ….60….Philippines …(108,100,000)
…..56 / ….93….Turkey ………..(82,000,000)
…..58 / ….26….South Korea ….(51,710,000)
…..79 / ….24….South Africa …(58,560,000)
…..90 / ….45….Japan ………..(126,300,000)
…241 / …..4…..US …………….(328,200,000)
…468 / ….27…..EU ……………(446,000,000)
…589 / ..446….India ………(1,366,000,000)
2,363 / 1171…China ……..(1,398,000,000)

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John McCabe
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 3:04 am

I was surprised by the UK number so checked online, and it appears to be wrong (although not in the way I’d expected); it looks like the latest number should be 3 for the UK! Even more evidence that XR are totally barking!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 4:03 am

Just now those 3 coal fired power stations are producing almost as much electricity as the 24GW of installed wind. 0.92GW/1.14GW and wind been like that for a large part of this year. I’ve seen it claimed that the reason for coal being used is that it’s the easiest way of disposing of coal stockpiles. That seems unlikely as the interconnectors are also bringing power from the continent

Bryan A
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 26, 2021 3:08 pm

Would seem to me that the Easiest way to eliminate Coal Stockpiles would be to sell it to China.

griff
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 3:30 am

I’m sorry, that list is way out of date.

UK has just 3 left… Japan has cancelled some new plant, so has S Korea, so have the Philippines… there are 5 or less planned in the EU (and closures are accelerating)… I can’t find any planned in the USA… the figures for India and even China are too high

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 4:54 am

So what are the real figures for China griff? Just one new coal plant, perhaps none? Tell us the number. We’ll wait….

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 26, 2021 6:05 am

If ever you get accurate figures from griff, you can rest assured they will be spun in a way that seems to support the correct agenda. The most effective way to lie is to tell misleading truth.

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
June 26, 2021 3:10 pm

Same could be stated regarding Truth from China…about ANYTHING

Climate believer
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 26, 2021 11:28 am

“We’ll wait….”

Don’t hold your breath.

The Chinese Communist Partys’ coal boom accounted for 76 percent of the global 50.3 GW new coal capacity in 2020.”

“This has more than offset the retirements in coal capacity in the rest of the world, leading to the first increase in global coal capacity development since 2015.”

…isn’t that right Grifter?

..and India?…”State miner, Coal India, has approved as many as 32 new coal mining projects worth a total investment of US$6.4 billion.”

Why would they do that Grifter?

“The combined incremental peak capacity of these projects is expected at 193 million tons per year, which is a record capacity addition for Coal India in its history.”

It all seems to be going off the rails a bit Grifter..

Quotes from oilprice.com

Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 9:08 am

This guy is griffter….just wrong wrong wrong….CO2 is not warming the climate and masks do nothing to avoid viruses….he is on there for entertainment …Cuckoo Clock.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 9:57 am

So the Chinese government is lying about how many coal plants it plans to build?

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2021 8:34 am

Wouldn’t surprise me, but I doubt they’d lie in the direct the griffter is suggesting. What benefit would they have in overstating the number of plants they plan to build? If anything they’d lie to understate it.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 10:45 am

I’m always impressed when Lefties pretend they know hat China is doing. I’m even more impressed when they believe what the CCP tell outsiders.

Lars
Reply to  griff
June 27, 2021 4:41 pm

Here you go, some accurate data.
https://endcoal.org/global-coal-plant-tracker/

LdB
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 5:08 am

Your numbers are a bit weird in some instances it uses sites in others it uses power stations.

Japan for example has 89 sites but 150 power stations some of those sites have 2 or 3 power stations.

Then your China number is total power stations but there is only 1089 sites again some sites made of multiple power stations.

The idea it is showing is sort correct its just muddled between sites and power stations.

Herrnwingert
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 6:04 am

What is wrong with coal-powered power stations anyway? Why should we care if a country has 1000s of them? I suppose the perceived problem is the CO2 they omit. I think most readers on this site agree that CO2 is NOT a problem. Whether naturally produced (vast) or human produced (minuscule) CO2 does not cause global warming, it is benign, beneficent and the world needs more.
Agreed, coal-powered power stations can be dirty (affecting local environments NOT climate) but the technology exists to make them almost 100% emission-free. Coal power is cheap, abundant, efficient and reliable. Instead of wasting trillions on wind and solar, we should give every poor country all the coal-fired power stations they need to lift them out of poverty. Once these countries are industrialised they will move to lower birth rates, cleaner environments etc etc. We have to help them make the first move not keep them stuck burning cow dung, firewood and charcoal.

Reply to  Herrnwingert
June 26, 2021 6:58 am

“I think most readers on this site agree that CO2 is NOT a problem.”

Well, WUWT, unfortunately has wrapped itself in the logical conundrum known as “lukewarmism.”

It’s an approach that allows them to have their cake and eat it too, or so they seem to think.

Lukewarmers assert that “carbon” IS warming the planet, but it’s okay, or something. This allows them into the dance with the alarmists, where they can endlessly debate “climate sensitivity,” “absorption,” “emissivity,” “global average temperature,” “tropospheric hot spots,” “carbon sequestration,” “climate mitigation,” and various other alarmist talking points.

Terrified to call a fraud, “a fraud,” lest they be ejected from “polite” alarmist company (even though they already are), WUWT bans those who do “agree that CO2 is NOT a problem,” and who carry that observation to its honest conclusion and speak the truth.

For input from a site that really DOES agree that CO2 is not a problem, you’ll have to try Tony Heller’s site. See his posting today excoriating “climate scientists” for their insistence that 350ppm is “safe:”

https://realclimatescience.com/2021/06/countless-scientists/

Robert Austin
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
June 26, 2021 7:36 am

Kent,
I think that part of the increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to man’s emissions, that the increase in CO2 concentration leads to a modest to immeasurable increase in global temperature and that the modest to immeasurable warming is net benign to beneficial. I have asserted these points of view on this site and have yet to be banned. Perhaps one’s tone leads to banishment, not one’s stance.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
June 26, 2021 8:06 am

WUWT bans those who do “agree that CO2 is NOT a problem,” and who carry that observation to its honest conclusion and speak the truth.

I find this claim misleading because some of the few bans happened because they were repeatedly violating policy, and a few of them were put in moderation for repeatedly stalking, thread hijacking and personal attacks on others.

It doesn’t matter what YOU or anyone else post about the topics, correctly or not, it is the BEHAVIOR/conduct that matters here, if there are personal attacks or worse it will be moderated or posts deleted completely.

AndyG255 who is one who has made clear he is in the CO2 is not a problem camp was put in Moderation because he has a huge bad temper with the chronic personal attacks that generated thread instability and open complaints, he had been repeatedly told to stop it.

When he was put in Moderation, he ran off for over a year before he came back with a different username, he was allowed to post anyway, but like his earlier behavior problem he began to once again display his huge temper that eventually got him banned after repeated moderator requests that he control his behavior.

POLICY:

Respect is given to those with manners, those without manners that insult others or begin starting flame wars may find their posts deleted.

Some off topic comments may get deleted, don’t take it personally, it happens. Commenters that routinely lead threads astray in areas that are not relevant or are of personal interest only to them may find these posts deleted.

Trolls, flame-bait, personal attacks, thread-jacking, sockpuppetry, name-calling such as “denialist,” “denier,” and other detritus that add nothing to further the discussion may get deleted; also posts repeatedly linking to a particular blog, or attempting to dominate a thread by excessive postings may get deleted. 

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It is irrelevant if anyone is in the “agree that CO2 is NOT a problem” camp or not.

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MarkW
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
June 26, 2021 10:00 am

Admitting to reality is a problem? Why is it that you sky dragons get your panties in such a wad over admitting that CO2 will probably warm the planet by a few tenths of a degree.

A warmer world is a better world.

James Beaver
Reply to  MarkW
June 26, 2021 11:35 am

The alleged warming from CO2 in the well mixed environment of the open atmosphere is as-yet still unproven.

Rising CO2 levels haven’t correlated with rising temps over the long run. CO2 has been lower with higher temps and higher with lower temps.

Sunsettommy
Editor
Reply to  MarkW
June 26, 2021 3:37 pm

CO2 doesn’t warm the planet, it slows down the Radiative Cooling process, that is the difference many people fail to understand.

David A
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
June 27, 2021 8:31 am

Kent Tony H agrees that CO2 is a GHG.
LOTS OF VERY EDUCATED SMART PEOPLE DO.
They are not the problem. The C in CAGW is the fraud. Ignoring the benefits of CO2 is the problem. Policy wise, most Luke warmers and skeptics are in full agreement.

Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 2:33 am

“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.” – Einstein

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 5:28 am

See Karl Popper Logic of Scientific Discovery on FALSIFICATION. Falsifiability is the boundary demarcation of science from nonsense.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Doug Huffman
June 26, 2021 10:48 am

That’s why the entire notion of “climate change” is utter nonsense. It cannot be falsified because it is intentionally ambiguous. It’s a perfect example of equivocation.

June 26, 2021 2:33 am

This XR guy is unreal. The main point I got was :

We don’t want to curtail your freedoms, but you’ll have to curtail your freedoms.

And then it comes across as a threat : you have to give up your property or society will end.

I can see why people have disowned him.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Sheepfart
June 26, 2021 6:32 am

Yes, what exactly could be “10 times, 100 times worse” than an immediate end to air travel, and complete elimination of fossil fuel use in 4 years?

When my dog barks at the delivery man, she is far more rational than this barking mad loon.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 10:53 am

The scary part about his sort is how many people politely accept his views as rational and don’t understand how utterly “barking mad” he is. Similarly I have often wondered why Marx has been afforded such reverence and lauded as a great thinker and man of letters. In fact he was one of the most disreputable men of his age and not one of his “theories” stands up to any rational scrutiny.

Rick C
Reply to  Sheepfart
June 26, 2021 9:35 am

This guy would prescribe amputation of an arm to treat a hang nail. “We must destroy civilization in order to save it” is the ER mantra. I guess one way to make sure your great grandchildren don’t suffer is to make sure there aren’t any.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Rick C
June 26, 2021 10:55 am

He has obviously studied Orwell and has become an adept at news speak. We’re not meant to understand his nonsense. We’re meant to react to it. Rationality was thrown out decades ago. FEELINGS are what is important now.

UNGN
Reply to  Sheepfart
June 27, 2021 8:07 am

AOC has the same mental illness.

“Its DEMOCRATIC socialism”…. You don’t have your vote taken away… You VOTE to have your vote taken away..

Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 2:36 am

XR are dangerous. This is what one of the founders of XR Stuart Basden has to say, and I’m sure he would also say “there is so much more to be done”.
“And I’m here to say that XR isn’t about the climate. You see, the climate’s breakdown is a symptom of a toxic system of that has infected the ways we relate to each other as humans and to all life…
– The delusion of white-supremacy centres whiteness and the experience of white people, constructing and perpetuating the myth that white people and their lives are somehow inherently better and more valuable than people of colour.
-The delusion of patriarchy centres the male experience, and excludes/hinders female assigned people from public life (reducing them to a possession or object for ownership or consumption). Patriarchy teaches dominating and competitive behaviours, and emphasises the idea that the world is a place of scarcity, separation and powerlessness.
– The delusions of Eurocentrism include the notion that Europeans know what is best for the world.
– The delusions of hetero-sexism/heteronormativity propagate the idea that heterosexuality is ‘normal’ and that other expressions of sexuality are deviant.
– The delusions of class hierarchy uphold the theory that the rich elite are better/smarter/nobler than the rest of us, and make therefore better decisions.
There are other delusions. (S Skinner: of course there are, it’s endless) These delusions have become ingrained in all of us, taught to us from a very young age…”

Rich Davis
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 6:42 am

A couple of hypotheses:

1) There is an epidemic of mental illness in the West, brought about by a society where irrational behavior has little or no physical consequence. No one need go hungry or sleep without shelter, no matter how self-destructive have been their prior decisions in life.

2) Adversary nations may be cultivating groups that foster destructive behavior in the West, to weaken and demoralize us.

MarkW
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
June 26, 2021 10:06 am

What is it about the liberal psychosis that it seeks to define all disagreement as some form of evil mental disorder?

David A
Reply to  MarkW
June 27, 2021 8:38 am

I only consider others disagreeing with me to be evil when they want to forcefully remove my fundamental constitutional freedoms. XR is evil!

fretslider
June 26, 2021 2:45 am

The sooner Hallam and his woke middle-class mob go extinct the better

michel
June 26, 2021 2:48 am

Yes. It is one of the most curious things about the Climate movement. The activists claim to be focused on the dangers of human CO2 emissions. According to the theory, what counts is the global tonnage emitted.

Yet the activists resolutely refuse to focus on that. They refuse to advocate reductions in emissions by the largest emitters. Instead they concentrate on advocating impossible measures in countries making little material contribution to the total of global emissions, and measures which, even were they to be enacted, would make only minor reductions in local emissions.

So the question Neil asks is the critical one. If you are so worried about global emissions, why do you not demand that the largest emitter or emitters cut back? Emit fewer tons.

Why do you demand that a country which does around 2% of global emissions, and falling, should, at vast expense, install wind and solar, which cannot replace its fossil fuel generation of electricity, and which even if it could would make only marginal reductions to that 2%.

This question is at the core of the nature of the Green movement today. It is not what it seems or presents itself as.

Reply to  michel
June 26, 2021 4:20 am

The activists claim to be focused on the dangers of human CO2 emissions.

Like all Marxists, what they say is not what they do.

Radical revolutionaries – be they Islamic, Marxist, whatever, consider it is their duty to lie, since what counts is the moral virtue of the Cause.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 26, 2021 11:01 am

I’ve never quite worked out why so many people laud the “genius” of Marx, when in fact that guy was a disreputable fool whose theories are no more rational than CO2 driven AGW. There has never been a single successful implementation of Marx’ ideas, in the same way that every single AGW “prediction” has failed to happen.

Lrp
Reply to  Rory Forbes
June 26, 2021 7:21 pm

They see the genius in the unattainable, godlike pronouncements and theories, proof to them that we are too small minded to understand and so, condemned to be eliminated, as individuals or as groups or nations. Nations are a problem to Marxists and that’s why they rally the useful idiots around abstract ideas, like climate change.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Lrp
June 26, 2021 9:12 pm

To the tiny minds of most socialists, Marx’ circumlocutory abstractions and abstruse philosophical inquiries are brilliant, but in truly are nothing more than the bloviating nonsense of an over educated narcissist. In fact he was always in debt, beat his wife, abused his children and all but enslaved his wife’s maid. But for the bourgeois wealth of his friends and family (especially Engels) he’d have spent most of his life in debtor’s prison.

David A
Reply to  Rory Forbes
June 27, 2021 8:41 am

“The mythopoetic origins of Marxism”

It becomes their religion. Controlling others become their religion. Power, power over others is their religion.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  michel
June 27, 2021 6:18 am

Disingenuity is the hallmark of the left. The first two words used in responding to the left’s nutty claims and declarations should usually be, “As if …”

John McCabe
June 26, 2021 2:49 am

The guy’s an idiot! 4° “centigrade”? When was the last time anyone heard “centigrade” being used? He’s living in the past, and hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about!

mikebartnz
Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 3:21 am

I am very sorry but Centigrade is used in way more countries than Fahrenheit.
It is only the USA that refuses to go metric.
When I read your comment I was truly staggered at your ignorance. Flabbergasted would have been the more appropriate term.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 6:47 am

John’s referring to Celsius being the new name for the temperature scale. Sheesh people! Give a guy an ounce, er, 28 grams of credit!

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 3:13 pm

31.1 grams per Troy Ounce (13 ounces per pound)

griff
Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 3:26 am

er… the UK uses centigrade, as does the entirety of Europe

Harry Passfield
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 5:02 am

The point, Griff, is that T tends to be measured in K when talking climate.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Harry Passfield
June 26, 2021 5:16 am

Come on. For once he posted something that was honest and you denigrate him for that. (::

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 5:23 am

So far tonight I have had two posts quarantined in my view for no good reason. If this keeps happening I am outa here.

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 6:18 am

The big problem with a comment getting quarantined is it becomes irrelevant when it does appear as most of the comment section is basically short term.
There is a flurry of activity when a new post comes out and then it dies.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 6:59 am

Yes an honest misunderstanding on your part and that of griff. Yet you denigrate John McCabe?

Apologies and group hug all around?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Harry Passfield
June 26, 2021 6:55 am

While that may be true, the point was simpler than that. It was that nobody (in the US at least), still refers to Centigrade. For well over a generation it has been Celsius.

Perhaps another example of two nations divided by a common language.

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 6:49 am

Poor mikebartnz, made to look as clueless as the village idiot.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 8:01 am

Have you been reading that book “How to win friends and influence people” again.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 9:32 am

I was sympathizing with you Mike. You misunderstood John (an honest mistake), but then griff jumps in to highlight your error by agreeing with you. (Thus proving you were wrong since he is a logical NOT for truth questions).

Surely you were embarrassed by having support from the village idiot?

mikebartnz
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 10:28 am

Sorry but you are doing a very good impression of a village idiot yourself.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 11:05 am

Lighten up Mike
Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers. Everyone knows griff is always wrong.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 11:36 am

In the first paragraph in your previous comment the part in brackets is gobbledygook.
To save you looking that word up it is nonsense.
Village idiot.

Rich Davis
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 26, 2021 2:44 pm

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Logical_NOT

Logical NOT operation, meaning that if an expression evaluates to TRUE or FALSE, applying the NOT reverses the value.

If griff says true, the answer is false.

griff = NOT (truth)
Or
truth = NOT (griff)

Sure, I’m an idiot. But you’re worked up about a misunderstanding.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  griff
June 26, 2021 7:57 am

Griff, the world uses Celsius, not centigrade. (Except for old codgers and the clueless). Fahrenheit is still common in the U.S., but even us backwards Americans generally say Celsius, not centigrade.

John Endicott
Reply to  Pflashgordon
July 1, 2021 8:44 am

You are quibbling over semantics. Whether you call it Celsius or centigrade, its referring to the same thing.

centigrade
[ˈsen(t)əˌɡrād]
ADJECTIVE

  1. another term for Celsius.

Look I get it, the griffter is almost always wrong. But if your only quibble about what he said is that he used one word that means the same thing instead of another, then the one who is wrong isn’t him for once.

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Reply to  griff
June 28, 2021 10:19 pm

Climate scientists (and “scientists”) use Celsius, griff. That’s why it is a BIG “C,” not a “little c.” Some of them, and scientists in other fields, use Kelvin (again, a BIG “K,” not a “little k”).

“Centigrade” has been an obsolete term for so long that only the scientifically ignorant – or maleducated – or both use it. Which says something about Hallam – and yourself.

yarpos
Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 3:32 am

Dont travel much then?

Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 4:21 am

Strictly we used Celsius today, but centigarde is an acceptable alternative name.
Fahreneit is only really the USA and a smattering of its overseas dependencies.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 26, 2021 7:09 am

Yep Fahreneit is even less commonly used than Fahrenheit
😉

Janice Moore
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 26, 2021 10:30 am

‘cep i’ soom parts o’ Lunnun.

😉

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  John McCabe
June 26, 2021 4:57 am

We use centigrade/Celsius here in the UK and other parts of Europe.
However, I agree with you that he’s an idiot.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 26, 2021 5:32 am

But not for that comment.

Bill Toland
June 26, 2021 3:07 am

I listened to the whole interview. Roger Hallam is wonderfully bonkers. He sounds as if he would fit into Scotland’s Green party beautifully. This interview should be distributed as widely as possible so that as many people as possible can see it. I can’t imagine anything that would discredit climate alarmists more.

skiman
Reply to  Bill Toland
June 26, 2021 9:12 am

I had to stop listening. Just couldn’t stomach such stupidity or is it something else??

Richard Page
Reply to  Bill Toland
June 26, 2021 10:20 am

He tried being a business owner, failed then blamed ‘extreme weather events’ rather than accept responsibility for failing and moving on. He’s never grown up – he’s immature and seeing the world in an immature way. Most people grow out of this child-like state but he seems to be stuck there as a form of mental delusion. Frankly he needs psychiatric help – I’ve noticed that this is not unusual in some Green advocates and climate enthusiasts.

Patrick MJD
June 26, 2021 3:15 am

“I think…” “Carbon emissions” “I think…” “Carbon emissions” Going to get worse? Ok, you first!

Expatback
June 26, 2021 3:16 am

Well done Andrew Neil, good start to the subject, but not tough enough yet. Need to get a proper debate on the importance of CO2.
WUWT needs to pressure GB News to open up the subject if they proport to be anti-woke.
Lets get the likes of Will Happer, Anthony himself, Mark Moreno, Jim Hollingsworth etc. They are little known in the UK. Surely the Hartford, Cornwall Alliance el al could rustle up some credibility for a program “debate “.

Matthew Sykes
June 26, 2021 3:37 am

Hallam is a whacked out fruit cake. A failed organic farmer, and like all middle class, educated failures, he wants to destroy the wealth of his successful peers.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
June 26, 2021 4:00 am

I call him a NUTTER!

yirgach
Reply to  pigs_in_space
June 26, 2021 12:28 pm

Just call him batsh*t crazy and be done with it.

MarkW
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
June 26, 2021 10:13 am

To a very large degree, socialists are people who have failed to become as wealthy as they believe they ought to be.
They have concluded that they played no part in this failure, it is society that has failed them.
Therefore they need to destroy society and replace it with one that values them properly.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
June 26, 2021 11:12 am

Socialists are that “special” class of people who actually believe Marx was something other than a deluded fool. If one can assume some value in socialism you’ve already slid into dementia.

Patrick MJD
June 26, 2021 3:48 am

Neil resigned from GB News after 2 weeks.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 26, 2021 4:22 am

No he hasn’t. He is going on holiday

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 26, 2021 4:55 am

Well, at least he can. Not so much everyone else in the UK.

Pumpsump
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 26, 2021 5:14 am

Thought he just stepped back for a bit. Can’t blame him, must have been a ton of effort to get it all up and running. As he’s a Director, not just a presenter, cut him some slack!

Alba
June 26, 2021 3:51 am

For anybody who just wants to listen to the China question, it starts at 14.22.

Matthew Sykes
June 26, 2021 4:00 am

From the Guardian:

“Rockström doesn’t like our chances. “It’s difficult to see how we could accommodate eight billion people or maybe even half of that,””

‘Eight’, not ‘a’. Hallam cant even get his lies straight.

Ulric Lyons
June 26, 2021 4:07 am

So the the truth according to Roger Hallam is whatever he decides it to be at the time. Which in this instance is that Andrew Neil was agreeing with him when Andrew clearly wasn’t agreeing with him. Watching Andrew fail to handle such a lame schoolyard Jedi mind trick is very disapointing, he should take a break.

Greg
June 26, 2021 4:16 am

Oh the twoof . We need to listen to the twoof !

Rich Davis
Reply to  Greg
June 26, 2021 7:44 am

That’s not vewwy libawal-minded of you to mention the lithp, Gweg!

Greg
June 26, 2021 4:18 am

“In 99% of cases you should think I’m mad, and I very much hope I am mad …”

OK, let me reassure you. You are stark bonking ravers. Now can we get back to a sensible life please?

This has to be a Greta at the UN moment. He’s exposed himself as a totally uneducated lunatic.

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June 26, 2021 4:24 am

Andrew Neil would fit right into the Monster Raving Looney Party.

Sunderlandsteve
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
June 26, 2021 7:30 am

Please expand on this interesting delusion.

Janice Moore
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
June 26, 2021 10:36 am

?
I think you mean Roger forgot-his-name.

June 26, 2021 4:43 am

Extinction Rebellion is DOA … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Iu9D5RhqQ

Abolition Man
Reply to  John Shewchuk
June 26, 2021 8:01 am

John,
That’s your best one IMO! If only every school kid and politician had to watch it every morning!

Reply to  Abolition Man
June 26, 2021 8:18 am

Thanks. Maybe I should re-title it “An Inconvenient Truth”. I may be repeating myself … this is my wife’s favorite … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9F8LSxR4Yo

Janice Moore
Reply to  John Shewchuk
June 26, 2021 10:51 am

“The Millimeter Tidal Wave” IS a good one. (in your ear,….. you might want to edit a couple of typos)

Reply to  Janice Moore
June 26, 2021 12:17 pm

Unfortunately, I don’t think they can be edited after upload other than reloading. That video was done before I started having my wife proof them before going public. Maybe I should be speaking into the microphone. Thanks for the note.

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Janice Moore
Reply to  John Shewchuk
June 26, 2021 10:48 am

Nice! I just subscribed to your excellent channel. 😀

Sigh. If only WUWT would hire you to be its managing editor. WUWT now does more to promote AGW than to refute it. 😞

Reply to  Janice Moore
June 26, 2021 12:27 pm

Thanks so much. Because of the subject matter, YouTube shadow bans my channel — making it harder for others to find. This is my new full-time, 24/7, hobby after the 2020 election — and here I thought I was going to retire after moving to The Villages, FL. I fully understand the AGW issue. Climate change policy is all politics. We spend too much time talking about the tiny details of warmer, colder, wetter, drier … when it’s all a political ploy to keep us occupied while they wrap us up in their new world order. The IPCC said it themselves and we continue to ignore it … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36cyEt5JfRA

Andrew Wilkins
June 26, 2021 5:01 am

I went to an XR demo in London and asked a couple of the daft hippies some questions about the science behind the “greenhouse” effect. None of them had a clue about even the simplest scientific principles. They’re all complete prats.

michel
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 26, 2021 6:09 am

No, they are not prats at all. You have misunderstood why they were there.

It had nothing to do with climate or the greenhouse effect. On other occasions you could find them demonstrating against racism and to get some statues or street names removed. Ask them about the statues or the street names, and they would be equally ignorant.

Next time they would be demonstrating against Brexit. Ask them anything about the EU and they would have no idea. And the time after that about gender, to get someone fired for wearing a T-shirt which said ‘woman = adult human female’. They will be carrying a banner accusing this person of hate crime. Ask what is hateful about it, and they will not have a clue.

Climate activism and demonstrations are not about the temperature or the weather or the greenhouse effect or coal burning.

Proposals to close coal fired plants and move to wind and solar and electric cars are not about emissions, either.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  michel
June 26, 2021 10:16 am

I have to agree with you there.

Janice Moore
Reply to  michel
June 26, 2021 11:00 am

That (not about emissions) is correct. The “Climate change” campaign is about:

1) MONEY

(for solar, wind, and electric vehicle market-share-by-fiat along with taxpayer subsidies of the costs of production)

2) (to a lesser degree and largely simply to accomplish goal #1)

Political Control.

Rich Davis
Reply to  michel
June 27, 2021 8:42 am

Michel, while I think that I understand your point, I am not at all confident that it is obvious to the casual observer.

Do you mean that these protesters are followers engaging in the social activity of their peers and conforming to whatever opinions allow them to belong to the in-crowd which happens to be dominated by socialist nihilism opposed to Western civilization?

It’s not a term used in the US, but I understand “prat” to be an ignorant fool who prattles on about that which he has no understanding. By your description, these people sound like they well fit the definition of being prats.

So either I don’t grasp the meaning of prat, or your real point has eluded me.

June 26, 2021 5:26 am

The parallels between XR and Scientology are scary.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Hans Erren
June 27, 2021 10:26 am

Hans, I am not very well acquainted with the ideas of Scientology, but could you elaborate on a few points?

Brooks H Hurd
June 26, 2021 5:37 am

ER is the classical definition of “useful idiots.” However they are only useful if your goal is world destruction.

John Savage
June 26, 2021 5:41 am

Follow the money.

No climate activist ever attacks, China or OPEC+.

Jay Willis
June 26, 2021 6:01 am

This is great – you can see why these people avoid debate. Is this the best they can do?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Jay Willis
June 26, 2021 11:03 am

Well, they can scream LOUDER.

H B
June 26, 2021 6:06 am

This is classic Marxist technique to destroy the economy so they can take over When they win the useful idiots like this twat will be eliminated.

SMC
June 26, 2021 6:12 am

What an asshat.

JeffC
June 26, 2021 6:29 am

Once again someone who thinks that carbon and carbon dioxide are the same thing.
Meanwhile since it hasn’t rained here for a few days I’m going out to pour some hydrogen on my garden.

Abolition Man
Reply to  JeffC
June 26, 2021 8:06 am

Be vewy careful; that dihydrogen oxide is potent stuff! It’s probably responsible for as many deaths as all other poisons combined!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Abolition Man
June 27, 2021 8:48 am

Dihydrogen monoxide. Its a chemical used in the process of making styrofoam. It’s in all our reservoirs now. It’s used in the production of most toxic chemicals. It’s even been found in large concentrations in Antarctica.

rah
June 26, 2021 6:49 am

It’s a sign of the times when a scraggly haired wacko who starts a bunch of fools in costume disrupting the lives of everyday people, over a cause that is based on lies to begin with, can be taken seriously enough to be interviewed on TV.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  rah
June 26, 2021 12:15 pm

That’s exactly right. It’s his craziness that attracts born again environmentalists (emphasis on the mental). He shouldn’t be given a forum of any kind. People will confuse his zeal as a sure sign he’s one of the anointed. The more blather he preaches the better they like it. You can’t argue against a string of fallacies supported by nothing but misinformed belief.

rah
Reply to  Rory Forbes
June 26, 2021 2:52 pm

I mean look at that guy. I wouldn’t trust him to walk my dog. If he was hitchhiking I wouldn’t pick him up. No way! And yet he is somehow worthy of being on the news?

Rich Davis
Reply to  rah
June 27, 2021 8:54 am

Well, in Britain. Monty Python didn’t come up with the idea for the Ministry of Silly Walks because Brits have the common sense to avoid absurd abstractions, or the forthrightness to tell a loon that he’s off his nut. It’s considered civilized to calmly discuss whether there’s merit in dismantling civilization.

rah
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 28, 2021 4:57 am

Hey our “news” channels are full of loons and many of them claim to be “journalists” and invite on other loons that agree with their views and those loons are not so calm at all.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 28, 2021 8:01 am

The ministry of silly walks was commentary on British labor Govt to have ministries for everything and attempt to regulate everything

The definition of progressive idiots

Komerade Cube
June 26, 2021 7:24 am

This guy is a nutter.

Joe
June 26, 2021 7:47 am

I had to stop watching at 7:31 into the interview. Did I miss anything?

meab
Reply to  Joe
June 26, 2021 8:34 am

So did I. By that point no mention of the mass starvation that would happen if we did go to zero CO2 emissions in 4 years. Little food could be grown (would need millions of plow horses), little processed, and almost nothing distributed. All wildlife would be killed off for food. XR would be responsible for causing mass extinctions. XR is a bunch of lunatics and should not be tolerated.

Rod Evans
June 26, 2021 8:12 am

Is Carrie Johnson going to be at the XR rally. She is an active supporter of the nonsense destroying western society. I say western because no other societies want anything to do with the bizarre group of idiots.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rod Evans
June 27, 2021 9:00 am

Princess Nut-Nuts? Did she really subordinate herself by relinquishing her family name and assigning herself as Boorish Johnson’s property? I had just assumed she would maintain her birth name.

Terry
June 26, 2021 8:22 am

dumber than Jeremy Corbyn – thought that to be impossible.

Shanghai Dan
June 26, 2021 9:30 am

“Don’t bet the farm”…

That, in a nutshell, is why much of the EU is bereft of innovation and massive successes. Big ideas DEMAND betting the farm, and companies that do so – and do it well – end up dominating entirely new industries.

It is an over-emphasis on risk that leads to nutters like Extinction Rebellion, AGW adherents, and most liberal policies.

Considering risk – without the counterbalancing reward – leads to extremist positions that are inherently detrimental to everyone.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Shanghai Dan
June 26, 2021 12:23 pm

The thing to remember is that the precautionary principle, the principle that so many Leftists and Liberals hold dear, is a logical fallacy. It supposes an upcoming danger when there is no evidence to hold that belief. It’s the “just in case” principle.

“Taking precautionary measures when we have no good reason to do so can waste time and resources and deprive us of important benefits. The principle is not only anti-science but it is unscientific (Brombacher, 1999).”

griff
Reply to  Shanghai Dan
June 27, 2021 1:16 am

Seriously? Have you ever looked at the infrastructure investment in the EU (and that goes far beyond the renewable infrastructure).

while the US can’t repair its bridges, the EU and UK build new ones…

Peta of Newark
June 26, 2021 9:35 am

Thank you Ancel Keys
Thank you for demonising fat in favour of sugar.
Thank you for promoting a damn-near nutrient free diet.
Thank you for trashing the minds and bodies of 6+ Billion people
Thank you (in advance) for completely destroying the last vestiges of greenery on this planet.

Thank you sooooo very much

Believe it or not, muppets like we see & hear in this video might be our salvation, for all the exact opposite reasons he raves about
Go figure.

While your about it, go McDonalds.
Get a double quarter-pounder with cheese & bacon, small fries, no soda or ketchup, as much salt-n-vinegar as you like and bring the bread-bun home for the wild birds in your garden.

Fix yourself then Climate will look after itself

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Bro. Steve
June 26, 2021 9:48 am

What an insufferable Marxist pajama boy. What are the chances this little man has ever had a real job that involved producing anything.

MarkW
Reply to  Bro. Steve
June 26, 2021 10:18 am

Being a Marxist pajama boy is his job.

Michael in Dublin
June 26, 2021 10:04 am

Contrast Roger Hallam and Michael Kelly (Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality)

Who does one believe, this climate fantasist or the sober words of a practical engineer?

PaulH
June 26, 2021 10:27 am

This XR clown is making a variation of an old joke: “The beatings will become much worse later unless morale improves today.”

n.n
June 26, 2021 11:11 am

China has their religion, we have ours: Pro-Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness is the very model of extinction rebellion. Baby Lives Matter

And a minority religion that, among other beliefs and practices, denies a woman and man’s dignity and agency, and the unconstitutional denial of civil and human rights to “our Posterity” for light, social, and profitable causes.

clipe
June 26, 2021 11:34 am

Andrew Neil grills XR activst Zion Lights

https://youtu.be/H3kJwQBZOkM

clipe
Reply to  clipe
June 26, 2021 11:50 am

Former Extinction Rebellion activist (Zion Lights) backs nuclear power

https://youtu.be/t0rfCo1miM0

Andrew Dickens
June 26, 2021 1:46 pm

Pity this bloke isn’t on tv more often. Peolpe would soon realise what a bunch of crackpots ER really are.

Richard Page
Reply to  Andrew Dickens
June 26, 2021 2:14 pm

And that is exactly why this bloke ISN’T on MSM more often – there appears to be a consensus that XR should be applauded.

sendergreen
June 26, 2021 2:15 pm

Ideological possession taken to the “The Exorcist ” level.

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Dwayne
June 26, 2021 2:45 pm

I’ll believe there is a crisis when the people telling me there is a crisis start acting like there is a crisis. China is a massive contributor, and the people screwing the West ignore China. They know China will arrest them, throw them in jail, and continue on their way.

griff
Reply to  Dwayne
June 27, 2021 1:15 am

The UK and EU states are acting like there’s a crisis… that’s 500 million people – larger than the USA

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
June 28, 2021 7:55 am

That’s why Germany is building coal plants and pushing for more Russian gas

Because they care

Right Griff?

Ewin Barnett
June 26, 2021 3:43 pm

Ah, what is truth? It appears to be whatever a mob can be convinced it should protest. I for one want to know what the optimum climate is for our biosphere, so we can sustain our biosphere. If we have any change in our climate is it moving us towards or away from that optimum? To what extent is human activity causing that change?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Ewin Barnett
June 28, 2021 7:54 am

It’s pretty clear we are still moving toward optimum.
Human modern civilization only started to develop at higher temps than this
It’s only that modern civilization that allows us to thrive at these cooler temperatures

Regardless what the scientologists say

Rasa
June 26, 2021 4:31 pm

A drug addled aged hippy.
Can we move on?
Mind you I did enjoy the scenes in the London Tube where people climbed onto the roof of the train to drag the ER tool off and kicked the crap out of him.

Paul Carlton
June 26, 2021 4:33 pm

Roger Hallam was an organic farmer who blames climate change for his business failing.

I say that if you have 10 acres of land, 1 horse but no tractor and 25 people working the land you’re going to fail anyway.

Dean
June 26, 2021 10:14 pm

“Will you be out on the streets this weekend?”

“I’ll look at my schedule.”

So its existential and the most important issue we face, and he might not be able to fit it into his schedule…..

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John V. Wright
June 26, 2021 10:34 pm

There is no cure for stupidity.

Redge
June 26, 2021 11:41 pm

Andrew Neil was weak imho

Vincent Causey
June 27, 2021 1:21 am

I can answer the question – because they want to control western society. They don’t give a fig about China.

Geoffrey Williams
June 27, 2021 3:49 am

Roger Hallam is a complete and utter tool . . . .

Kevin Stall
June 27, 2021 11:18 am

Why do they always have signs made from oil?

Michael S. Kelly
June 28, 2021 3:10 am

I love the civilized discussion between the Brits, and even the earnest expression of concern over fundamentally flawed assumptions and assertions. It sure beats the “debate” in the United States, which has in reality become a Fascist shutdown of any debate. The respectful exchange on both sides between Roger Hallan and Andrew Neil was so refreshing. Neil did a fairly good job, but could have demolished Hallan’s position had he been informed that the goals Hallan espoused would bring about the billions of deaths Hallan (I think genuinely) opposes. If we could hold such genuine debates in the United States, I think things might change for the better. If we can’t, I think it’s a more ominous sign of things to come…

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