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Swiss Voters Reject New Climate Taxes

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to the BBC, “Voter rejection undermines Switzerland’s entire strategy to comply with the Paris Agreement. Today’s results are a devastating blow for environmentalists.”.

Swiss voters reject key climate change measures

Switzerland’s policy on fighting climate change has been thrown into doubt after voters rejected key measures in a popular vote.

A referendum saw voters narrowly reject the government’s plans for a car fuel levy and a tax on air tickets. 

The measures were designed to help Switzerland meet targets under the Paris Agreement on climate change.

Many voters appear to have worried about the impact on the economy as the country tries to recover from Covid-19.

Opponents also pointed out that Switzerland is responsible for only 0.1% of global emissions, and expressed doubts that such policies would help the environment. 

The vote, under Switzerland’s system of direct democracy, went 51% against, 49% in favour.

Voter rejection undermines Switzerland’s entire strategy to comply with the Paris Agreement. Today’s results are a devastating blow for environmentalists.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57457384

The impudence of those Swiss peasants voters, upsetting the carefully orchestrated plans of their leaders.

No doubt a vigorous public climate propaganda campaign is already on the launchpad, to ensure voters don’t cause international embarrassment next time they are offered the opportunity to agree with their government.

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Jan de Jong
June 14, 2021 10:05 am

Envious of the Swiss and their referenda here (NL).

John Garrett
Reply to  Jan de Jong
June 14, 2021 10:25 am

As a long term shareholder of Royal Dutch Shell, I am appalled and disgusted by the company’s craven managers who have chosen to appease the climate crackpots that seek the company’s destruction.

Last edited 3 months ago by John Garrett
Steve Case
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 11:09 am

Climate Crackpots

Alliteration always works, especially when it’s spot on!

philincalifornia
Reply to  Steve Case
June 14, 2021 1:35 pm

Woulda, coulda, shoulda trademarked that.

Let’s spread it around. Climate denier is such a useless leftard-concocted garbage phrase, it has no actual meaning, whereas Climate Crackpot, says it all.

Reply to  philincalifornia
June 14, 2021 1:57 pm

Climate crackpot is better than climate scammer; because although many people accept and promote the scam, they don’t know it’s a scam and they’re gaining nothing – in fact they’re support for crackpot climate policies is self-harm.

Vuk
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 14, 2021 2:10 pm

‘Climate change’ is a new meme to get away from the dismally failed ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’. We should not let the get away with it. Bring ‘AGW failed’ at every available opportunity,
‘Climate change’ is reinventing the wheel, climate has always changed, and always will, there is nothing new about it. It is time that these morons realise that climate will stop changing only when this planet loses its magnetic field, its biosphere, its oceans and its atmosphere. If they wish to live in an unchanging climate they can go to the Moon and learn about it.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Vuk
June 14, 2021 4:16 pm

‘Climate change’ is a new meme to get away from the dismally failed ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’.

You mustn’t forget the ‘Catastrophic’ part. If it’s not catastrophic, it’s not a problem.

In fact, the real issue is, if it’s not:
Warming, then no problem;
Global, then not a major problem;
Anthropogenic, then we can’t fix it so just mitigate;
Catastrophic, then it’s not a problem.

All of these need to be fact before we actually have to address it. If one of them is not fact, then we can likely ignore it or mitigate the effects.

Last edited 3 months ago by Zig Zag Wanderer
Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Vuk
June 14, 2021 6:00 pm

Vuk, I would like to add to your list the all important factors of Earth’s spin axis tilt relative to its orbital plane and Earth’s orbital eccentricity, both of which add to the “climate” changes we know as the seasons.

If we really want to have an unchanging temperature and very little weather change on Earth, we most definitely will have to “stabilize” these two parameters first and foremost.

Those actions can probably be started for a mere USD $10-20 trillion paid out to physicists and engineers.

Laissez les bons temps rouler! 🙂

Last edited 3 months ago by Gordon A. Dressler
Davey Duff
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 15, 2021 2:50 am

So slightly less than they’re wanting to spend now. Oh jolly good.

Robert A. Taylor
Reply to  Vuk
June 15, 2021 3:39 pm

Agree with sanity of Swiss voters. But, not Climate Change as a new meme. The IPCC has had that in their name since 1988.

John
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 14, 2021 10:08 pm

last time we had such stupidity
we burned Joan of Arc as a heretic
who shall we burn this time
Gretta
Joe
Angela
Michael Mann
Boris

Actually lets burn the lot
It should be a good boon fire
There should be enough carbon for at least a couple of hours

Gene
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 20, 2021 2:50 am

I like Lib-Tard better!

Jo Ho
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 12:35 pm

John, I couldn’t agree more. They say attack is the best form of defence. Take the beggars on. Take them to court and make them produce ‘facts’ and not just computer models to prove that the Earth is months (years) away from a Catastrophe/Collapse etc. which is all down to Anthropogenic CO2.

Eric Stevens
Reply to  Jo Ho
June 14, 2021 3:29 pm

A problem is that so many of the ‘facts’ they might bring to court have been officially distorted to change the past.

DipChip
Reply to  Eric Stevens
June 15, 2021 6:48 am

The big problem is their facts don’t match the facts.

When the peers review a paper how do they judge the data, as being accurate? Oh ya it depends on Who originated the data!

philincalifornia
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 1:32 pm

….. maybe they know that it, the oil and gas, will still be accessible to them, after climate crackpottery goes away.

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John
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 14, 2021 10:10 pm

no oil and gas
no vaccines
no food
no clothes

great we need to remove some
I wont be chasing the stupid
I intend to keep my ICE car and my natural gas heating

Patrick healy
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 1:45 pm

John,
Same here as a BP pensioner, I cannot believe my company have joined the brainless mob.

John Garrett
Reply to  Patrick healy
June 14, 2021 1:50 pm

Led by the aptly named Bernard Looney.

Davey Duff
Reply to  Patrick healy
June 15, 2021 2:53 am

The money they must be given to be so stupid must be very good.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Patrick healy
June 15, 2021 4:54 am

maybe you and the rest of the sane shareholders better speak up LOUDLY
because its the few warmist lunatics presently being loud and annoying that got this happening
they pull their shares? ppht
the rest of you threaten that and theyd sure take notice!

The Emperor's New Mask
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 4:25 pm

As a long time shareholder in Exxon, I was disgusted by Blackrock’s support of the Engine No. 1 proxy. I think it is completely disgusting that Blackrock can vote their client’s ETF shares in support of Larry Fink’s ESG/SJW agenda (or con game, as it may be).

I have since sold all my iShares ETFs (Blackrock), except for IAU which will go shortly once I figure out what I want to do with it. And I will never willingly do business with these shysters again.

John Garrett
Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
June 14, 2021 6:04 pm

Consolidation of the investment management firms has resulted in the concentration of corporate proxy voting power in the hands of a very small number of people (we’re talking about 15-20 people— among them, Larry Fink of BlackRock, the managers at Vanguard and the treasurers of states with large pension funds).

The climate crackpots in California and New York have the ability to inflict their delusion on the rest of us.

This can very clearly be seen in the recent ExxonMobil proxy fight where, in effect, A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE— the state treasurers of California and New York by voting the shares owned by their respective state pension funds along with the crook Larry Fink of BlackRock— were able to place three (3) completely unqualified and incompetent individuals on the Board of ExxonMobil where they have a mandate to disrupt that company’s critically important mission.

Last edited 3 months ago by John Garrett
BobM
Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
June 14, 2021 6:42 pm

Yep, moving everything I have in a BlackRock fund out to something else. Same for any other where the Fund managers wish to impose their probably wrong ESG agenda on others. They have no more credibility than Hollywood actors spouting the same blather.

oebele bruinsma
Reply to  John Garrett
June 15, 2021 7:10 am

The solution is obvious: As Royal Dutch Shell is a British-Dutch Holding, leave The Netherlands and relocate to the UK. Boris is a welcoming guy. And put the large Rotterdam refinery up for sale. Enjoy the Uk’s tax haven and lot’s of refineries to chose from.

Reply to  Jan de Jong
June 14, 2021 11:50 am

As a Swiss living in Canada and working for decades on ocean monitoring projects I am very proud of the Swiss direct democracy at work leading to rational outcomes!

Pat Frank
Reply to  deepslope
June 14, 2021 12:34 pm

deepslope, any quantitative take on the field accuracy of ARGO floats?

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2021 1:36 pm

Great question, impressive map shows coverage, but as drifters would seem to have a bias. A study of surface drifters found that unlike the eastern Gulf, “…western [without Mexico] areas received drifters from everywhere.” (Lugo-Fernández, A., M., et al., 2001. Gulf of Mexico historic (1955-1987) surface drifter data analysis. Journal of Coastal Research. 17(1):1-16.). I put some drifters outside of the GOM once.

Pat Frank
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
June 14, 2021 9:28 pm

I’ve found two field calibrations indicating ±0.6 C systematic error in ARGO SSTs, H.D. I’m wondering if there are others.

Editor
Reply to  deepslope
June 14, 2021 5:44 pm

I’m told that all major parties supported the proposal, which was promoted by blanket propaganda in the media, and the proposition still failed. Whether that is correct, I don’t know, but either way I would like to thank the Swiss people for standing up to their would-be oppressors and showing the world that there is still a place for sanity in the scheme of things. It’s time for everyone in the world’s democracies to follow the Swiss lead.

As an aside I note that at the recent G7 talks on “climate change”, the ly ing David Attenborough was invited to give a pep-talk but the group still only put out a meaningless statement at the finish. It’s time for our leaders to show a bit of spine and Mr Attenborough the door.

Philip Rose
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 16, 2021 5:15 am

If the UK were to follow our brave Swiss friends with the same referendum question, I guess we would get the same result. Like Brexit of course, but Boris wouldn’t risk it would he? Ruin his recent marriage lol.

markl
June 14, 2021 10:07 am

It should be put to vote in every country. My guess is any country that would be a “donor” to CC funding would reject it and every country that would be a recipient would accept it. The next step would be for all the recipient countries to figure out how they will pay each other.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  markl
June 14, 2021 4:19 pm

I agree. I think that the results would be rather similar in most countries. The fact is that the silent half just doesn’t shout about it, and actually doesn’t really care, or has more important things to worry about. That’s my experience, anyway.

ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 10:08 am

Wish I could afford to live there and get a vote that counts for something on real issues.

MarkW
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 11:00 am

I you’ll give me 1 million dollars, I’ll give you 1 million dollars and they we will both be rich.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 12:07 pm

What are you, a central banker or an IMF employee?

DMacKenzie,
Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 12:49 pm

MarkW,
Wow! you have stimulated the economy by $2million, and if you leave the money on deposit for a little while, the banks can lend it out 10 times over too.
Plus if you buy a house with it, the government mortgage corp. will insure the bank’s lending, and a few weeks later the central bank will buy the mortgages off the banks, turning them into “assets” in their investment portfolio.

Governments have come to believe they can just issue as much money as they want to….however everyone along the chain has to believe that their loan is really collectible…plus that when they collect, the money will be worth something. It turns out that as long as people have faith and you control inflation, it works fine. And you can mostly control inflation by only giving loan guarantees to large corporations to invent jobs for low pay workers, plus give government subsistence payments to the very poor. Sound familiar ?

Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 1:39 pm

Well, at least one of you will have a million dollars…

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  ATheoK
June 14, 2021 4:21 pm

Well, at least one of you will have a million dollars…

That you had before

Redge
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 10:07 pm

I have a contact in Nigeria who is itching to help.

Just send me your bank details and I’ll pass them on

John Garrett
June 14, 2021 10:09 am

The fact that the vote was close is cause for worry.

Sorry, but in this case, I find the glass to be half empty rather than half full.

observa
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 10:27 am

Hey it’s better than all those surveys showing 97% of climate doomsters are taxeaters. There’s always the other 3% on leave at the time.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 11:30 am

I, too, wish the margin had been greater, but we’re looking at a country where more than half the people feel some action is needed to combat climate change, yet aren’t prepared to shell out any money to stop it. That seems to prove the belief of many, including me, that the combination of skeptics and people without any meaningful commitment to stopping “catastrophic global warming” make up a majority there, and maybe everywhere. I’ll take that as a victory.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 12:13 pm

Maybe not too bad given that Switzerland is the home of Davos and the WEF.

Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 1:23 pm

Every narrow victory buys time. And time reveals more and more what a scam this is. It produces ever more examples of failed predictions:
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

Time also exposes more hypocrisy by the doomsayers, such as the following examples of climate disaster advocates ignoring threatened rises in sea levels:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenhowley/2019/12/08/barack-and-michelle-obama-buy-marthas-vineyard-estate/
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/real-estate/story/2020-04-22/report-bill-and-melinda-gates-buy-43m-del-mar-home
https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/leonardo-dicaprio-house (island)

Waza
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 1:49 pm

John
https://www.bk.admin.ch/ch/f/pore/va/20210613/can644.html

I actually doesn’t look too bad.
My interpretation ( note I don’t speak Swiss, French German or Italian) is
Only 60% turnout.
Big cities voted yes but had less turnout
Smaller cities voted no but had more turnout.
IMO this indicates the silent majority will come out when needed.
The actual vote score was 4 1/2 vs 16 5/2 which is actually b pretty good

John Garrett
Reply to  Waza
June 14, 2021 2:19 pm

Interesting. Thanks.

Zurich, Bâle-Ville, Vaud, Neuchâtel, and Geneva were the only five cantons (out of a total of twenty-six) to vote in favor.

As I am unfamiliar with Swiss law, I do not know if the question required a majority of cantons or a majority of the popular vote.

As you point out, it was the big cities that voted “yes.”

Very clearly, there is a rural/urban divide on this in Switzerland as well as the U.S.

Editor
Reply to  John Garrett
June 14, 2021 5:50 pm

If, as reported, all the major parties were in favour and launched a blanket media propaganda campaign in the run-up to the vote, then for the proposition to be voted down – even if only narrowly – is very impressive. Kudos to the Swiss people!

Van Doren
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 15, 2021 4:52 pm

Not all major parties, SVP was against.

Dave-E
June 14, 2021 10:09 am

Good to see Swiss voters recognize the scam even as their “leaders” propagandize the crisis and use it for attempted looting in the form of carbon taxes (read Wokerati Dispensations). Good work by normals rejecting the machinations of the garbage elite…but sadly “by a narrow margin.” Wokerati deserve an overwhelming rejection.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Dave-E
June 14, 2021 11:02 am

The “normals” just need to inform everyone what carbon taxes will really cost. Not just the upfront cost but the long term negative impact to their economy. And of course, such taxes will be just the beginning of the poorly thought out, unnecessary, de-carbonizing revolution.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 14, 2021 12:37 pm

In Switzerland, the expensive energy produced by carbon taxes will cause a surge in Winter fuel-poverty deaths, as it has already done in the UK.

Davey Duff
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 15, 2021 3:02 am

It’s only purpose is to take money from the Swiss people and put into the hands of greedy arseholes who enjoy taking it. They rely on global warming, climate change being trendy and a virtue signal for the stupid in order to get away with it.

observa
June 14, 2021 10:10 am

Well that settles the science in Switzerland according to the consensus crowd. Can we have more referenda like that in Oz to help settle the science?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  observa
June 14, 2021 4:27 pm

Absolutely.

I mean, the government decided to have a referendum on same sex marriage, mainly because they wanted to avoid being seen as responsible for approving it and upsetting their core voting base, so why can’t they do the same with CAGW? That way we’d see if the country really wants to ‘fix’ the ‘climate’. I suspect not, but would be willing to go along with the majority.

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Paul Rossiter
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
June 14, 2021 6:40 pm

I thought that we already had that referendum in the last election that the climate alarmists lost? It’s a pity that the conservative government that won doesn’t have the guts to honor that result and keeps taking the knee to the international leftist pressure.

B Clarke
June 14, 2021 10:10 am

” No doubt a vigorous public climate propaganda campaign already on the launchpad, to ensure voters don’t cause international embarrassment next time they are offered the opportunity to agree with their government.”

Exactly, and you can bet the next time is very soon.

Now why can’t we all be allowed to vote on life style changing legislation like the Swiss, they call it direct democracy, because we don’t even have indirect democracy, we have vague lacking in detail ambiguous manifestos, that allow politicians to do whatever they want. The sheep don’t seem to care.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  B Clarke
June 14, 2021 10:37 am

How about a vigorous public election campaign to install a government that won’t embarrass Swiss voters by engaging in absurd international green dreams?

B Clarke
Reply to  Paul Johnson
June 14, 2021 10:39 am

Good luck with that.

Janus100
Reply to  B Clarke
June 14, 2021 2:44 pm

If Swiss had Dominion voting machines, you would not need the second plebiscite…

ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 10:15 am

 “Ask not what your country can do to you; ask what you can do for your country policy.”

Rhee
June 14, 2021 10:24 am

Can some of those Swiss be bothered to record some videos to educate the Californians

Rob_Dawg
Reply to  Rhee
June 14, 2021 10:39 am

Taxation with representation? In California?

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
June 14, 2021 11:02 am

Regrettably, with our direct democracy here in California, the power-shat-be ensure that the populace votes for new taxes by crafty languagiung of the referendum.

MarkW
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
June 14, 2021 11:02 am

The problem with much of California, is that politics is dominated by those who consider representation without taxation to be a good thing.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 11:03 am

Heck, they think that representation without a measurable metabolism to be a good thing.

Pat Frank
Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 12:46 pm

The problem in California is that about half the 30 million or so people who came into the US illegally since 1980, and advanced to citizenship, settled in CA. Some 80-90% of them vote Democrat because they want the services.

This changed the entire voting pattern of the state. It’s become uni-party. The politicians can do as they like because they’ve got a lock on the vote and the entire state government. All of it.

Things may slowly be turning because the large Hispanic population is becoming slowly more prosperous. People get more resistant to taxes and promises when they’ve got something to lose.

But the lesson of CA is not lost on the national Democrat leadership. Open borders is their attempt to uni-partyize the entire country.

Willem Post
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2021 2:11 pm

Right on

Open borders has been an evil attempt to “safeguard” the Democrats power over the US, ever since Reagan.

They are too dumb to work in private enterprise, so they make their careers in BIG GOVERNMENT as highly experienced grifters and grafters.

Owen
Reply to  Willem Post
June 14, 2021 8:17 pm

Yeah and Reagan really cucked on the illegal immigration amnesty issue. That pretty much nullified all his other accomplishments. Communism was gonna fall eventually anyway. I had reason to know that being in military intelligence, although the CIA seemed to miss it completely. Another useless organization. But I digress….
Never understood the Reagan worship amongst conservatives.

MarkW
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2021 2:36 pm

People become resistive to taxes when taxes become something that not just “other people” pay.

Ron Long
June 14, 2021 10:25 am

Good posting, Eric. Nothing like a dead mackerel upside the head type of Reality Check. Even the green fruitloops in Oregon rejected paying more for green windmill electricity.

T Gannett
June 14, 2021 10:31 am

Maybe the tide is turning.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  T Gannett
June 14, 2021 10:36 am

Don’t count on it…

a_scientist
Reply to  T Gannett
June 14, 2021 11:35 am

A 2% victory margin is hardly a tide turning, more like hanging on to sanity by a thread.

June 14, 2021 10:40 am

It would be good to get some feedback from those in Switzerland about the amount and type of propaganda they were subject to

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Steve Richards
June 14, 2021 11:05 am

Luckily, it’s a nation with a lot of common sense- which it must have to survive as a tiny nation in the middle of Europe with all its past empires. But, is this news item being widely disseminated? Doesn’t seem to be.

Jit
Reply to  Steve Richards
June 14, 2021 11:28 am

In the case of the CO2 law the result is also a triumph over the mainstream propaganda. In Switzerland, the only political party agains the CO2 law was SVP (Swiss Peoples Party). All other parties were for the law. It went so far that even the Swiss Automobile Association (your RAC) was for the CO2 law too. But even more important was the fact that all mainstream media were in favour of the law too, including Swiss TV and Radio.

https://www.thegwpf.com/why-the-swiss-people-rejected-the-new-climate-law/

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Jit
June 14, 2021 1:10 pm

It’s like that here in New Zealand too, with all branches of the MSM bribed by our red government with a massive dose of taxpayers’ money. Large subsidies for EVs just announced, despite there being very little chance that those EVs forced on farmers and tradesmen will even be available on the market. Technically illiterate politicians seem to be everywhere nowadays!

Ric
June 14, 2021 10:47 am

Yet they approved yesterday the controversial, 1984-like COVID law – so not every decision those voters take is wise.

Reply to  Ric
June 14, 2021 12:06 pm

indeed, in the case of the COVID law, the massive official government and mainstream media propaganda prevailed! As Jit pointed out earlier today at 11:28 am, there was only one party, the SVP, that opposed the proposed legislation vigorously. While it’s the largest party, its voter share usually doesn’t reach 49%, therefore, I see it as a huge win for rational Swiss citizens that may well mean an indicator of things to come!

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Sara
June 14, 2021 10:48 am

Today’s results are a devastating blow for environmentalists. – article

Okay, should I send them a sympathy card? Box of tissues for their tears? A create of Swiss Miss Instant Cocoa?

Just askin’, because the Swiss people seem to have some common sense, which is refreshing these days.

June 14, 2021 10:49 am

They just need to get them some Dominion voting system machines.

Derg
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 14, 2021 11:59 am

Joel you can hack a pipeline but not an election…got it?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
June 14, 2021 10:50 am

Good on the Swiss! A similar type referendum in other countries might have a similar response as well. But the rest of us are not asked the right questions!

MarkW
June 14, 2021 10:59 am

If Swiss politicians are anything like EU politicians, they’ll just declare that Swiss voters are to ignorant to know what is best for them, and impose the taxes anyway.

Climate believer
Reply to  MarkW
June 14, 2021 2:12 pm

No, they can’t do that. Read up on the Swiss system, it’s about as good as it get’s on this planet.

EU politicians are the worst.

dmanfred
June 14, 2021 11:13 am

William Tell them to GTH.

John the Econ
June 14, 2021 11:22 am

Everyone wants to be “green” until they see the bill. Under modern Progressivism, the assumption is that it will always be someone else to do the real work and pay the bill.

Nicholas McGinley
June 14, 2021 11:34 am

OK, in the voice of Nelson from The Simpsons:
HaHa!

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOPBP9vuZA&w=560&h=315%5D

Duane
June 14, 2021 11:35 am

I am not personally aware of any major population group (a nation-state, or a US state or Canadian province) that has actually voted in favor of killing their economy with green taxes or prohibitions on the normal stuff that everybody in a modern first world economy depends upon, like electricity, gas or diesel vehicles, airplanes etc.

Is there such a thing?

Even as green weenie-dominated a state as California or Vermont or Massachussetts has not actually enacted any such radical restructuring of their economies via any kind of public referendum, and I don’t know of any nations who did so either.

It’s always the oppressive majorities in legislatures or executive mansions who do all the mandating of economically-suicidal green measures.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Duane
June 14, 2021 11:51 am

sorry, irrelevant reply on my part.

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Jeffery P
June 14, 2021 11:49 am

Contrast that to the US. Our current beloved leader promised to not invoke the “Green New Deal.” Like everything else, it was a lie. He broke his promise. Instead, he’s pushing the GND but in a renamed form. The substance is nearly the same.

Herbert
Reply to  Jeffery P
June 14, 2021 4:57 pm

Jeffrey P,
Even the Guardian says the GND is virtually indistinguishable from the “Biden Plan”.

Herbert
Reply to  Herbert
June 14, 2021 4:59 pm

Oops, Jeffery P,Sorry 😢 for the misspelling.

dk_
June 14, 2021 11:58 am

The green movements have always been about social oppression by an ideological minority. They must game the system so that democracy does not have a chance to work. At least it seems that it sometimes does still work in Switzerland. Shouldn’t wonder that BBC, CNN, and NYT won’t get it.

Last edited 3 months ago by dk_
ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 12:12 pm

How about a global vote, including China and India?

Chris Bird
June 14, 2021 12:18 pm

As a Swiss guy I’d like to add, that we did not only vote on a CO2-tax, but some other hot topics, too. Over all, the common sense was limited. But we should be glad for any sign of it:

> Fresh water initiative
I think we are very glad of having very clean ground and well water. Nevertheless, with nowadays analytics you will always find some pesticide and some other things in the water, althoug in a very, very low concentration which is very very far of having any potential of harm. So, the Greenies started an initiative that would have the effect that nowhere any pesticides and other “poisons” would be allowed. 60.7% Swiss voters said “No”.

> Initiative for a ban of all artificial pesticides
This initiative had a very close target as the one above. For farming all artificial pesticides should have been banned totally. Even a lot of farmers that produce organic products voted against, because the pressure of any kind of pests would raise strongly and with a potential of significant reduction of their harvest. 60.6% of Swiss voters said “No”.

> Legislation for “Covid”
This was not an initiative but the parliament that wanted this. This legislation should facilitate any “lockdown”- and other actions for the state to intervene in another similar case like Covid. It was a kind of deceptive package as it was linked to repair payments and so on. 60.2% of Swiss voters loved it and said “Yes”.

This is not a bad result over all, but we need to be on alert. In a few months we should vote about a “Glacier initiative” which wants to ban all fossils and reach “climate neutrality” until 2050. The glaciers are still much bigger and longer than they were at the time when Hannibal crossed the Alps with his elephants. Probably it was him urging the Roman empire to head for “climate neutrality” which was the end of Rome…

Right-Handed Shark
June 14, 2021 12:20 pm

I had the misfortune to see the BBC’s formulaic report on this last night. The reporter had just the right blend of concern and exasperation in his voice as he claimed that “Switzerland is warming twice as fast as anywhere else”, “the glaciers will be gone by the end of the century” and that it was a disaster for the rest of the planet etc etc, whilst showing stock footage of backlit cooling towers and steam vents. Nauseating propaganda, as usual.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 14, 2021 3:30 pm

Fcuk me, everywhere’s warming twice as fast as anywhere else. Nothing new here. Get a grip Baghdad Bob Corporation.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 15, 2021 6:43 am

Not quite everywhere as according to a recent report in the Guardian the Arctic is warming THREE times faster than anywhere else.

TonyG
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 15, 2021 9:10 am

“Switzerland is warming twice as fast as anywhere else”

So it’s NOT global?

DMacKenzie,
June 14, 2021 12:22 pm

The Swiss appreciate the “Global Milding” plus they have heard their family word-of-mouth stories about the glaciers advancing in the 1800’s…..

Pat Frank
June 14, 2021 12:32 pm

An island of sanity in a sea of suicidal psychosis.

Eric Harpham
June 14, 2021 12:55 pm

Slightly off topic but possibly still relevant. Ian Botham, a famous England Cricketer for all of you on the other side of the pond, has asked Drax power station, which burns 25,000,000 American trees every year and calls it green energy, to provide proof of their claim to be replanting the same number of trees.

Should be interesting to see the response. Watch this space..

griff
Reply to  Eric Harpham
June 14, 2021 2:37 pm

Every green and environmental group in the UK has been campaigning to shut Drax for years. I’m glad Botham is finally joining them…

Green groups dispute power station claim that biomass is carbon-neutral | Drax | The Guardian

Reply to  griff
June 14, 2021 3:22 pm

Close the Bio part or the coal part, or both ?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  griff
June 14, 2021 5:10 pm

I guess you missed the news that Drax Group is expanding to ship and burn even more trees and use fossil fuels in the shipping and loading.

Lrp
Reply to  griff
June 14, 2021 7:24 pm

Stop lying!

observa
Reply to  Lrp
June 14, 2021 7:53 pm

griff is right for once though. Even rabid watermelons can’t stomach Drax extreme greenwashing and subsidy mining for no discernible outcome. That doesn’t mean they have wherewithal to see the same equation in all their other hair brained schemes. Running the world on wood chips and batteries is pretty much par for their course.

Redge
Reply to  griff
June 14, 2021 10:16 pm

Griff, mate

It was your lot that campaigned for Drax to switch to shipping wood across the Atlantic and burn it in the first place.

How about an apology for your part in that folly?

ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 1:06 pm

Would they be willing to sponsor a climate policy refugee with ample income but with recurring bouts of climate policy dread and PTSD from exposure to John Kerry and Al Gore?.

AGW is Not Science
June 14, 2021 1:14 pm

It’s truly depressing that the vote was anywhere near that close. I thought the Swiss were more intelligent, and they’ll probably lose this tenuous grip on sanity as the next wave of the young and gullible reaches voting age.

Bill
June 14, 2021 1:42 pm

We know darned well that with such a close vote the global Marxists (aka China, U.S. Democrats, Soros, etc) will simply buy the 2% it needs to turn a democracy into another Marxist state.

Willem Post
June 14, 2021 2:03 pm

Absolutely wonderful, the Swiss people defeated the enviro-maniacs.
Next vote should be at least 67 to 33

A totally futile “holy grail/tilting at windmill” quest.
The sooner it is ended, the better

Just imagine an EV on a mountain road in winter. The range would be bull s…

The only measure that makes any sense is minimize energy use by means of highly efficient apartment buildings, such as

  • net zero energy
  • energy surplus
  • off the grid buildings

The off the grid buildings should have enough solar panels, WITH MANDATED ELECTRICAL STORAGE so they would also power EVs, etc.,

ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 2:48 pm

Do they take climate policy refugees?

ResourceGuy
June 14, 2021 2:54 pm
jtom
June 14, 2021 3:38 pm

Oh, don’t sell short the creativity of the climate crackpots. I feel a peer-reviewed paper is in the making, something along the lines of, “Climate Change Causes People to Vote ‘No’ When ‘Yes’ Was Intended. The vote must be adjusted to account for the phenomena, and when you do, oh look, the measure actually passed!

Chris Nisbet
June 14, 2021 4:36 pm

“devastating blow for environmentalists”.
The environment and rational people all let out a collective sigh of relief though.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
June 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Ha ha yes “devastating blow for phony-environmentalists and their bank accounts”.

…… leaving more funds for the Swiss to be stewards of their environment.

Edward Katz
June 14, 2021 6:16 pm

It’s the old story: many people maintain that something has to be done about the climate as long as it doesn’t cost them any time, money or inconvenience. This is one of the many reasons that Net-Zero is unlikely to be reached.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Edward Katz
June 14, 2021 7:38 pm

unlikely …. ?

The climate crackpots haven’t even got the talking part done yet.

John
June 14, 2021 10:05 pm

Hurray for the Swiss
They dont have the Scandanavian disease
I now have put Switerland back on my travel destinations

June 14, 2021 10:07 pm

Look at the heading photograph, the Swiss should know that there is no CO2 induced global warming in that environment. If they stand out in a Sun-lit area, they feel warmed by the Sunshine. Touch objects around them and they will be warm, also heated by the Sunshine. Stand in the shadow of a mountain peak and they feel the local ambient air temperature. Touch objects in the shaded area and they will be the same or colder than the air temperature. Why ? Because there is no back-radiation from the sky above to heat the ground.
The Greenhouse Effect is a hoax. Walk outside and test the temperature difference between the Sun-heated surrounds and within the shaded areas that are not warmed by Greenhouse-heating sky above because there is no Greenhouse effect.

Redge
June 14, 2021 10:16 pm

Switzerland will soon be canceled

Redge
June 14, 2021 10:24 pm

IIRC, in a referendum, the Irish people originally said no to joining the Euro.

They were then told to go back and vote again until they got the right answer.

Just saying

Kevinkevin
June 14, 2021 11:48 pm

In the referendum, voters rejected the government’s plans for taxes on car fuel and air tickets. These measures are designed to help Switzerland achieve the climate change goals of the Paris Agreement. Actually, many industries are doing their bit to address the cliamte change. Carmakers like Toyota are among them.

bonbon
June 15, 2021 1:20 am

There is more to the story. On May29 Switzerland abruptly stopped EU negotiations running since 2014. This is the reason, as constitutional changes were demanded by Brussels.
Swiss Pull Out of EU Negotiations, May Vote Against CO2 Legislation (larouchepub.com)
Swiss Vote No to Climate Suicide (larouchepub.com)
You can hear the echoes, “No, there is a limit to a tyrant’s power…” from the Rütli Oath in Wilhelm Tell, by Friedrich Schiller.
Now on to cancel B3W and the 30×30 mad schemes….

Davey Duff
June 15, 2021 2:46 am

The Swiss don’t swallow the crap they’re fed by the media as much as some.

Eric Vieira
June 15, 2021 3:28 am

I’m so happy it didn’t get through. They will however try to misinterpret the vote like:
It didn’t pass because many people think the measures didn’t go far enough… A judge also
fell the decision, that international treaties are above the Swiss Constitution, thus above the
vox populi.. So maybe they will just ignore this result…
We recently voted (with 64.5% majority) against an E-ID which they’ve already “misinterpreted” and now they’re bringing in the E-ID through the back door (the EU wants it, so we must have it too…). Democracy seems to be the hardest word…

SF jeff
Reply to  Eric Vieira
June 15, 2021 7:26 am

And I thought that only happened in California>

Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2021 3:40 am

What we have here is failure to communicate.

SF jeff
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2021 7:26 am

Can you eat 50 eggs?

ozspeaksup
June 15, 2021 4:46 am

crazy 49% would have agreed to it

Przemysław Abramowski
June 15, 2021 5:16 am

Swiss have always been and are independent. Have a family there (they’re leftists). Didn’t bow before Hitler, are not bowing before EU. Long live the Swiss 🙂

Jim Gorman
June 15, 2021 5:27 am

Many, many politicians are going to rue their acceptance and robbing citizens via taxes. When the rubber hits the road in serious fashion with renewable land use, upgrading home electrical service for charging stations, limited travel opportunities due to limited range autos, and on and on, the voters will solve the problems.

DipChip
June 15, 2021 6:43 am

When will America have a referendum on Climate propaganda?

Olen
June 15, 2021 7:24 am

Politicians always have a solution to a problem, tax it and if there is no problem tax that. It is great knowing there is stability in the political class.

Andy Pattullo
June 15, 2021 7:54 am

It should not come as a surprise that the majority of voters decided not to become poorer in order to have exactly no impact on the weather. What is scary is that the vote was so close. And following along with trends elsewhere the ones with an understanding of cause and effect seem to be mostly those living on the land and actually producing valuable products versus those ensconced in urban playschools for “adults” where no decision or thought is too progressive to celebate.

Roger
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
June 15, 2021 10:22 am

Agreed. The continuous “dumbing-down” of societies everywhere is beginning to have its effect. Education has made a great migration from an emphasis on independent, critical thought processes, to rigid party line dogma.

Should we be surprised that the vote was this close?

Roger
June 15, 2021 8:34 am

What’s alarming is that nearly half of Swiss voters thought that this was a good idea.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Roger
June 16, 2021 12:35 am

I think the main problem here is: the Swiss are used to relatively neutral media and overall non-biased information. Unfortunately this has drastically changed in the last decade. Practically all news media and the state TV are now one-minded green-left purveyors of propaganda. Another point that was mentioned above: Science in the education system has reached an all time low. The only science that is reasonably taught in pre-gymnasium schools is biology (with green propaganda). Practically no chemistry or physics. The people are not in a position anymore to know if they’re being lied to…

Matthew Sykes
June 16, 2021 11:58 pm

Oh if only we could vote on it!

Theresa W Chavez
June 23, 2021 6:13 am

Unless someone finds an energy source with the same or better energy density as fossil fuels, coal and all other energy sources will be used as required. All these statements are signals of political virtue, and no leader intends to change what is best for his country. But fortunately, many carmakers, such as Kia, have been aware of their social responsibilities and been devoted to make their models more energy-efficient.

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