Fauci Ditching his Mask. Perhaps he thought there were No Cameras Watching

Senator Rand Paul: NIH Financed Dangerous “Gain of Function” Virus Studies in Wuhan

Dr. Fauci denies the NIH funded gain of function studies in Wuhan. But last May, WUWT reported on a published gain of function paper which includes a top Wuhan virologist as an author, and acknowledges NIH funding.

Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding

Fauci denies US funded ‘gain of function’ research in China

By Nikolas Lanum | Fox News

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed on Wednesday that Dr. Anthony Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab.

“Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?” he asked the NIH chief.

“Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely, entirely, and completely incorrect,” a clearly irritated Fauci shot back. “The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).

Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.

Read more: https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-dr-fauci-lied-congress-china-virus-research

WUWT reported the apparent collaboration between US and Chinese researchers on “gain of function” research in May 2020.

The following is a link to a paper which acknowledges NIH funding, and which discusses dangerous gain of function studies, in which animal viruses or human viruses are genetically engineered to add new traits which make the viruses more dangerous to humans. Senior Wuhan virologist Shi Zhengli is one of the authors. The paper contains the warning “the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens.”.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/ (backup copy here).

So I suggest Senator Rand Paul is on pretty firm ground when he suggests Dr. Fauci might have his facts wrong, on US funding for gain of function studies.

I think it is important to note that gain of function is not an attempt to create a biological weapon, the researchers are trying to simulate what might happen anyway, by turning the clock forward so they can view what Pandemics might emerge in the near future. Viruses continuously genetically engineer themselves, by grabbing pieces of other viruses and incorporating those pieces into the next strain. If researchers discover that say one or two minor changes to an animal virus results in a dangerous human pathogen, they can flag the original virus as a pandemic in waiting, an imminent risk to humans.

But in the process of turning the clock forward, researchers by their own admission risk accidentally releasing the very pandemic they fear will emerge naturally. There is a strong case that such experiments are simply too dangerous to perform.

This evidence of a connection between the NIH, Wuhan and gain of function studies is not proof that Covid-19 is the unfortunate outcome of an insanely high risk joint Chinese US virus study which leaked out of the laboratory. But I think it is reasonable to conclude that Dr. Fauci needs to answer a lot more questions, and clarify his answer on NIH funding for gain of function studies.

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May 15, 2021 6:04 pm

Has Fauci been vaccinated?

Reply to  Bsl
May 15, 2021 6:13 pm

More importantly — can he pass a background check for a Top Secret security clearance?

Reply to  Alex
May 16, 2021 2:29 am

How come Gates is so definite about what is to come? What majes him such an ‘expert’?

Reply to  Annie
May 16, 2021 5:20 am

You might guess…

Reply to  Annie
May 16, 2021 8:14 am

The inventer of the blue screen of death is something of an expert on f##£&#g up on a global scale.

Reply to  Annie
May 16, 2021 11:11 am

All billionaires are experts and they will tell you so. The fact that you do not have billions and they do is all the proof they need. And they will hire all the people they need to agree with them.

Reply to  Alex
May 16, 2021 6:02 am

Great prediction by Bill Gates. 10 million people dying is about 0,15% of the worlds population. An IFR of 0,15% (Infection Fatality Ratio) is that of a mild flu.
So the top brains in the world (ahem, cough) predict that there will be another mild flu.

Reply to  Alex
May 17, 2021 1:02 pm

To date, the following events are on schedule in Canada…  … and the “bought“ Canadian Press is ignoring this article.
Is the USA on a similar schedule? Is this what the Dems really want?
What are the odds that the new more deadly “Covid variants” are also lab-created, straight out of Wuhan?

Posted by canadian report on October 14, 2020

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:
– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
– Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
– Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
– Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
– Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever. The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass).

Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

All I know is that I don’t like it and I think its going to place Canadians into a dark future.

Vancouver, Canada·Posted Today, October 14, 2020

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May 18, 2021 1:31 am

If any of you think the above “leaked” Trudeau Plan is improbable, think again. This is an article I wrote almost two years ago when an informant told me about the early stages of this same totalitarian plan. Trudeau’s “bought” Canadian press refused to publish this article.
And it’s not just Trudeau – the same Marxist propaganda is being peddled in the USA by Democrat extremists – I wrote this article a few months earlier.
The threat to freedom is even greater in the USA – if the USA falls, there is nowhere left to run to. That is why we published this article on the 4th of July.

Reply to  Bsl
May 16, 2021 11:58 am

In one arm but the next day the other arm was sore. LOL. Bad acid trip or what there doc?

May 15, 2021 6:10 pm

Here is a longish article about those studies, and more

Reply to  NeedleFactory
May 16, 2021 8:29 pm
Tom Halla
May 15, 2021 6:11 pm

The issue is that the PRC is definitely unreliable, and Fauci is being evasive as to funding such research. Why, pray tell, did Fauci ever trust the Chinese communists enough to fund a dangerous research program by them?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 15, 2021 6:46 pm


“I think it is important to note that gain of function is not an attempt to create a biological weapon… ”

Depends on who is doing it …

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2021 7:29 pm

Millions of people will suffer from Wuhan virus aftereffects for a long time.

If you get this disease, you are in danger of developing blood clots anywhere in your body even after getting over the infection, and the severity of the disease does not seem to be an indicator that you won’t suffer from these aftereffects.

The Wuhan virus is a very dangerous disease. It’s now being said that it is a vascular disease, attacking blood vessels all over the body.

I see where Greta Thunberg had the Wuhan virus. I watched a public television special about her last night which is following her crusade to save the world from CO2.

She is a little more thoughtful than I originally gave her credit for, but she’s still dead wrong when it comes to CO2 and the Earth’s climate. Michael Mann made an appearance in the show. That’s where Greta gets her disinformation about the climate.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 15, 2021 8:11 pm

Apparently being on Warfarin assists in not being as vulnerable to these vaccine induced blood clots, but has other side effects and of course you don’t want to cut yourself too badly. Warfarin blocks vitamin K from making these clotting factors. This lowers the number of clotting factors in your blood making your blood less likely to form dangerous clots and keeps clots you have from getting bigger. Warfarin doesn’t break up clots you already have.

But Heparin, another blood thinner, apparently has a very adverse reaction with some of the vaccines. I just switched from Warfarin to Xarelto, which is an expensive on patent blood thinner that doesn’t require the monthly INR testing so can stay out of the hospital for testing. Will have to research this now that I think about this.

Although I haven’t been vaccinated yet as live 100 miles from nowhere. Now I have to think about which vaccine would be best for me, and they tell me any one will work just fine. I just don’t believe everything they tell us anymore. Especially the nonsense about CO2/control knob for the climate. Maybe all the nonsense they told us about everything regarding the pandemic/election will help people see the absolute craziness about the man made climate BS.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Earthling2
May 15, 2021 9:27 pm

Post cancer, I’m also very vulnerable to deep vein thrombosis (DVT). I was on self administered sub-C Heparin, but now take Apixaban daily(with excellent results). The problem is, my cancer treatment is based on T-cell manipulation and am worried the m-RNA vaccines could mess with my cancer treatment. I know my type of cancer has a 100% morbidity, so it’s no contest.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 15, 2021 9:57 pm

Thats why I am thinking Johnson &Johnson, or AZ as they aren’t mRNA based. At least J&J and AZ are more traditional as a viral vector vaccine. mRNA vaccines might be the best thing since sliced bread, but not sure the jury is in yet on those. Earlier results on animals weren’t good. 

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Earthling2
May 15, 2021 11:26 pm

Hey … I’m an animal too, ya know. I’m not interested in becoming part of any experiment. I lucked out with the cancer treatment. I figure we only got so many free passes.


Tom Abbott
Reply to  Earthling2
May 16, 2021 3:07 am

I took the Moderna vaccination and had no adverse effects from it other than a sore arm.

In all the reading I do, I haven’t seen any negative effects being reported about the Moderna vaccine by people who got it.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 4:31 am

The effects in some people are horrific. You’re just not reading the right places.

Reply to  icisil
May 16, 2021 12:43 pm

You’re just not reading the right places.”
You mean the conspiracy blogs?

Reply to  Simon
May 16, 2021 2:05 pm

No, mostly fecesbook and twitter posts by vaccine injured people who post their experiences with photos. Some are trying to figure out what’s going on, some are seeking advice on how to get better because their doctors don’t know how to help them.

Reply to  icisil
May 16, 2021 4:30 pm

You have misspelled fecesbook word by missing letter “a” after letter f.

Reply to  Simon
May 16, 2021 8:20 pm

No no blog reading necessary. I had the Pfizer vaccine lost a day and half due to the effects. It was a lot like what I had in March of 2020(I could not get tested at the time since I had no fever or cough.) The vaccine brought back the headache I had for three weeks in March and the body ache and inability to control my body temp. Instead of three weeks of those problems it was a two day affair. Second dose again it hit me again only problem in a day in a half in the middle of the night the pain was extreme thought I was going to die! Took there advice of the prescribers and took two Tylenol in less that a half hour all the symptoms were gone. Most blogs of value did warn of side effects so did the material you got with the shot.

Did not you read the information published by the CDC?

Timo, not that one
Reply to  MAL
May 19, 2021 9:21 am

Husband: How’s that Thalidomide working out for you Honey?
Pregnant wife: Great! I have no side effects.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 8:06 am

It’s early days.

There’s a reason the phase iii trials won’t complete until 2023; adverse effects can take a while to develop.

Depending on your risk profile (age, obesity, other co-morbidities) it might make a lot of sense to get the vaccine. Fit & healthy and under 50? Or already had the disease itself? No way!

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 8:15 am

A significant number of anaphylactic shocks. My significant other almost died from it before we could get off the mountain. She still suffers PTSD from the event five years ago. So we are going with Janssen, except there is none to ne had here at the moment.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 5:50 am

“The Wuhan virus is a very dangerous disease”

Only potentially very dangerous to some, i.e., those who are:

  • very aged (average mortality age is close to 80 y/o, i.e., natural life expectancy)
  • very sick (something like 95% of those who died had 4 co-morbidities and 98% had 2)
  • very overweight (80% of those who were hospitalized, in ICUs, or who died)
Timo, not that one
Reply to  icisil
May 19, 2021 9:24 am

In Italy, doctors say that some 99% of WuFlu patients admitted to the ICU were deficient in vitamin D.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 8:23 am

There are a whole range of nasty but rare side effects from a wide range of viral illnesses. https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-148107/intense-cold-and-flu-oral/details/list-side effects. Strangely the MSM media never considered them newsworthy before the Covids.

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2021 7:54 pm

My primary physician of some 25 years experience has never before seen a virus attack such a wide variety of human organs (respiratory, circulatory, digestive, nervous systems). Nor has he seen a virus show a decided preference for a specific blood type (Type A). Both characteristics would be useful in a bioweapon. Just sayin’.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  hiskorr
May 15, 2021 9:35 pm

This was my conclusion after boiling down the lies and rare facts we have received over the past year. For a corona type virus, it sure do have some diverse symptoms and side effects. If we didn’t know how honest and transparent our “health” professionals have been, one could even believe this thing was a fortuitous “accident” that serendipitously escaped the lab. So far it has targeted not only the “most vulnerable”, but also the most costly to our medical systems.

Bob boder
Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 16, 2021 5:32 am

What country has the biggest problem with an aging society?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Bob boder
May 16, 2021 10:13 am

The countries that have the highest standard of living that have provided for their elderly, I’d guess.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bob boder
May 16, 2021 1:02 pm


Reply to  hiskorr
May 16, 2021 4:39 am

The majority of today’s doctors are incompetent outside of the clinical pathways approach to medicine, and are subsequently unable to distinguish between the damage done by a virus and by their own medical treatments.

Reply to  hiskorr
May 16, 2021 8:09 am

Yes, the disease has astonishingly widespread effects… but on a very small percentage of the population.

Far more people in the West are in danger fro obesity-related diseases than they are from COVID.

Steven F
Reply to  hiskorr
May 16, 2021 9:44 pm

Unfortunately, your primary physician is not well read if that is what he told you. Or maybe you misunderstood. There are many viruses that cause complications in multiple organ systems. This coronavirus is not unique.

David A
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
May 15, 2021 10:53 pm

Yes, and we know that China’s military likes to get involved in such research, even if not invited.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 15, 2021 7:19 pm

“Why, pray tell, did Fauci ever trust the Chinese communists enough to fund a dangerous research program by them?”

Especially when gain of function research had been banned in the United States.

It’s banned in the U.S., so I guess Fauci decides he still wants to experiment, so he goes the Wuhan virus lab route.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 15, 2021 9:36 pm

He has a very wide moat of “plausible deniability” between his story and the facts. We already know the guy lies like a Democrat.

Reply to  Tom Halla
May 15, 2021 9:27 pm

“Fauci is being evasive as to funding such research”
From the article:
Fauci shot back. “The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.“

Nothing evasive about that!

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 10:34 pm

Hmm, “Doctor Fauci, exactly where and when has NIH funded gain of function research?”

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 10:41 pm

Methinks that Fauci doth protest too much.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 12:38 am

Stokes: If you bother to watch the video of Fauci and Paul, you will see that Fauci cavils skilfully in a lawyerly manner about the nature of GOF techniques. In any case, indirect NIH funding of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is established.

Reply to  Graemethecat
May 16, 2021 1:47 am

What I saw on the Fox News segment was Rand Paul trying to conflate two different things. Yes, NIH funds GoF research in the US, including, at some times, Dr Baric at UNC. The history of that is described here.

And NIH has part-funded for many years an EcoHealth program to collect potentially dangerous viruses in the wild throughout the world. They in turn fund local organisations to do this, including WIV. This has nothing to do with GoF research.

Bob boder
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 5:36 am

So Nick, to you he is an incompetent fool for this funding, but he didn’t lie to congress. Great

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 1:15 am

NIH/NIAID funded Wuhan through Eco Health. This is easily verified by searching the grant database. How many Americans would believe that their government should be funding potentially dangerous virology bioresearch in China?
Note that the Chinese have prohibited the US taxpayers from obtaining the lab notes that they paid for with their tax dollars.
I don’t know if what the NIH did was criminal, but it should be. I sure as heck do not want one cent of my tax money sent to researchers in China.

Reply to  Mr. Lee
May 17, 2021 6:23 am

No one needs China’s permission to see the lab reports for the NIH grant. Fauci- Collins can produce them as well as daszak

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Bob boder
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 6:10 am

It’s funny how quickly you stopped posting when it was made clear that you were just spinning and didn’t actually know what you were talking about.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 6:38 am

However, the question (from the article) was:
Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?” he asked the NIH chief.
Fauci’s answer was an evasive misdirect. He did not deny that the lab was so funded. Remember, this is China, so all bets are off where any funding might end up.

George Daddis
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 7:22 am

Sometimes the “way out” of a falsehood is to be VERY specific (literal) in a denial.
In their “exchange” Dr Paul argued that Fauci funded a 3rd party organization that in turn funded WIV in order to create “distance”.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 6:43 pm

Yes, I heard that, too, but if you read all the documentation, it shows the US was giving funding directly to the researchers who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So what he said was technically true, but designed to promote a lie. We funded the research, not the institute.

I thought you were smarter than this.

Reply to  jtom
May 17, 2021 6:08 am

Stokes vastly overestimates his abilities.

William Astley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 17, 2021 9:05 am

Is it possible Fauci is lying?

It appears the CDC has patents on covid and covid detection and has done research on covid ‘weaponizing’.

Ha, Ha, and this ‘research’ was to protect people from a future dangerous covid breakout. How stupid/gullible can we be?

The CDC and Fauci tried to hide their covid virus ‘research’ connection with China.

Why? Why does/did the CDC have covid patents and covid ‘research’ to make covid more dangerous, years before the current version of covid was released?

What the heck is going on?


The problem is people how have done evil things have the capability to lie. Fauci is up to his eyeballs in the covid evil plan(s).

David A
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 15, 2021 10:51 pm

It appears that the answer to why is clear. as such “gain of function” research was outlawed in the US.
Let’s see, with millions dead, and national and global economies destroyed, this is possibly, thousands of times over, the largest industrial accident ever. ( Assuming that it was accidentally released from Wuhan)

“Viruses continuously genetically engineer themselves, by grabbing pieces of other viruses and incorporating those pieces into the next strain.”

So, is it possible for the vaccine to create this scenario? Are we now doing hundreds of millions of experiments with every person vaccinated?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David A
May 16, 2021 3:23 am

“Assuming that it was accidentally released from Wuhan”

It might have been accidentally released from the Wuhan laboratory, but it was deliberately released into the greater world by the Chicoms who continued to try to promote international traffic in and out of China even after they knew they had a highly contagious virus on their hands.

I’m starting to hear stories about how the Chicom Dear Leader, Xi, is losing influence among the leadership in China.

Now would be the time for the whole world to fomally refuse to attend the upcoming Chicom olympic games.

If that were to happen, then Xi would lose an enormous amount of “face” and it might set him up for being replaced. The Chicoms can blame all the Wuhan virus biological warfare on Xi.

Xi’s replacement might not be any better than Xi, but he couldn’t be any worse.

The world that was attacked by Xi, using the Wuhan virus, should attack him back by breaking his political support through refusing to attend the Chicom olympic games.

Unfortunately, the world is pretty silent about this biological attack from the Chicoms. They better speak up if they don’t want a repeat of same. Allowing madmen to get away with mass murder is not ever a good idea.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 16, 2021 1:19 am

Why, pray tell, did Fauci ever trust the Chinese communists enough to fund a dangerous research program by them?

Because the NIH figured that by partially funding the research they could stay “in on the action”. They knew that they were doing something improper, but did it anyway.

Last edited 2 years ago by Mr. Lee
May 15, 2021 6:15 pm

This paper is not about research in Wuhan. It describes research done at the University of North Carolina. Here is the author list

Vineet D Menachery, corresponding author1 Boyd L Yount, Jr,1 Kari Debbink,1,2 Sudhakar Agnihothram,3 Lisa E Gralinski,1 Jessica A Plante,1 Rachel L Graham,1 Trevor Scobey,1 Xing-Yi Ge,4 Eric F Donaldson,1 Scott H Randell,5,6 Antonio Lanzavecchia,7 Wayne A Marasco,8,9 Zhengli-Li Shi,4 and Ralph S Baric corresponding author1,2

The author contributions says
“V.D.M. designed, coordinated and performed experiments, completed analysis and wrote the manuscript. B.L.Y. designed the infectious clone and recovered chimeric viruses; S.A. completed neutralization assays; L.E.G. helped perform mouse experiments; T.S. and J.A.P. completed mouse experiments and plaque assays; X.-Y.G. performed pseudotyping experiments; K.D. generated structural figures and predictions; E.F.D. generated phylogenetic analysis; R.L.G. completed RNA analysis; S.H.R. provided primary HAE cultures; A.L. and W.A.M. provided critical monoclonal antibody reagents; and Z.-L.S. provided SHC014 spike sequences and plasmids. R.S.B. designed experiments and wrote manuscript.”

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Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 6:18 pm

Here is the list of author affiliations

1Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina USA
2Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina USA
3National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, Arkansas USA
4Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
5Department of Cell Biology and Physiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina USA
6Cystic Fibrosis Center, Marsico Lung Institute, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina USA
7Institute for Research in Biomedicine, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland
8Department of Cancer Immunology and AIDS, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts USA9

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 15, 2021 6:46 pm

“I hope I made it clear I’m not suggesting this paper…”
Your headline says
“NIH Financed Dangerous “Gain of Function” Virus Studies in Wuhan”
and that is false. The study you point to was done in N Carolina (with NIH funding).

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 15, 2021 8:38 pm

“So I suggest Senator Rand Paul is on pretty firm ground when he suggests Dr. Fauci might have his facts wrong, on US funding for gain of function studies”
So what is your basis for saying that, if not this paper?

Rick C
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 6:56 pm

From the paper:

Pseudotyping experiments were similar to those using an HIV-based pseudovirus, prepared as previously described10, and examined on HeLa cells (Wuhan Institute of Virology) that expressed ACE2 orthologs.”

Sounds like at least some of the work was done by the the WIV.

Reply to  Rick C
May 15, 2021 8:21 pm

Yes, they provided the spike sequences and were funded by National Natural Science Foundation of China. The paper corresponding authors were both from Chapel Hill where the work was carried out. The bats came from China.

Reply to  Rick C
May 15, 2021 8:40 pm

No, the author contributions are spelt out
“Z.-L.S. provided SHC014 spike sequences and plasmids.”
She sent materials.

Reply to  Rick C
May 15, 2021 9:10 pm

Here is the UNC press release describing the research. It starts:
“Researchers from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have discovered a new bat SARS-like virus that can jump directly from its bat hosts to humans without mutation.”

It does not mention Wuhan. As I understand, both Chinese co-authors were at UNC when the work was done.

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Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 7:55 pm

It is not false. Read the Wade article. I will quote the relevant parts in another item on this thread because they are too long for this item.

Bob boder
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 5:41 am

You don’t know the story is false, any more then any one here knows it’s true yet, but it definitely stinks to high heaven and that alone is enough to require a real investigation by the DOJ. Won’t happen though because our government and DOJ are mor concerned with imposing socialism on the world and covering up anything associated with that goal.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Whuan Institute is note 4 on the list. The Bat Lady is the next to last listed author. She “ Z.-L.S. provided SHC014 spike sequences and plasmids.”

Shi was not a stranger to this paper.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:42 pm

Shi was not a stranger to this paper.”
But the claim was
“NIH Financed Dangerous “Gain of Function” Virus Studies in Wuhan”

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 10:45 pm

Nick, what does this mean: “X.-Y.G. performed pseudotyping experiments?” List as Xing-Yi Ge,4 affiliated with #4, Wuhan. Not intended as smass question, I really do not know what “pseudotyping experiments” means. Should we be looking at Z-L.S. at all?

Reply to  dk_
May 15, 2021 11:02 pm

I don’t know either. But I understand both authors made their contributions while present at UNC Chapel Hill.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 9:07 am

Read the Wade Article quoted below.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 16, 2021 1:03 am

4) Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology,

“Special Pathogens” mmmmm.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 6:35 pm

You highlight an important point, which is often overlooked. This is that Zhengli-Li Shi, aka the Bat Lady, was at UNC Chapel Hill working with funding from Fauci before GOF work was banned in the US. At which point she ran back to China and picked up where she left off.

The Acknowledgements sections has this:
and by the National Natural Science Foundation of China awards 81290341 (Z.-L.S.) and 31470260 (X.-Y.G.), and by USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance (Z.-L.S.).

National Natural Science Foundation of China awards 81290341
Strongly indicates that at least some of the work was done in China, unless one wants to assert that China was funding research at UNC Chapel Hill. This does not seem likely to me at all.

Also we see this
funding from EcoHealth Alliance
As far as I know, EcoHealth did not come onto the scene until after Zhengli-Li Shi returned to China. Again, this strongly suggests at least some work done in China, at Wuhan, of course.

Reply to  TonyL
May 15, 2021 6:41 pm

OK, I see.
Author Affiliations
4 Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China

That takes care of that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyL
May 15, 2021 7:34 pm

“As far as I know, EcoHealth did not come onto the scene until after Zhengli-Li Shi returned to China.”

I believe EcoHealth, the entity Fauci gave a grant to, which subsequently went to the Wuhan virus laboratory, contributed what they called specially-bred mice with human characteristics to be used for testing viruses capabilities.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 15, 2021 6:57 pm

‘This paper is not about research in Wuhan. It describes research done at the University of North Carolina.’
Well,no. This paper describes a collaborative study. Both institutions are involved.The question to be asked; Is this a replication study of work already concluded in Wuhan?
The findings of the international committee were at best opaque.
The form of words is
‘Covid 19 did not originate at the Wuhan facility’.
Well, no one can disagree with this statement.
The virus was a wild type.
Its origins are in nature.
Its the bits after that which need forensic examination.
Was it grown in Wuhan?
Was it allowed to then escape?
Will this happen again?
The voices of the dead cry out.

‘When will we ever learn’


The path has to be ‘Truth, Justice, Reconciliation and forgiveness’

The basis is Truth, not your Truth or my Truth
Just the Data.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lewis P Buckingham
May 15, 2021 7:35 pm

“The voices of the dead cry out.”

Yes, they do.

May 15, 2021 6:18 pm

Quote “you are entirely, entirely and completely incorrect. ”
I always think someone is not telling the truth when they go overboard like that.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  mikebartnz
May 15, 2021 9:45 pm

We know Fauci is lying whenever we see his lips moving. I’ve seldom seen a less believable little person in my life. He’s already admitted to at least three public lies … all for our own good, though. Remember, he was also responsible for spreading a whole lot of unreliable info on AIDS, calling that a “pandemic”.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 15, 2021 10:48 pm

Faucis is at least as demented as Biggoted Bumbling Biden, but without any of the endearing factors.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  dk_
May 15, 2021 11:30 pm

He suffers from ‘little man syndrome’ that has been put on steroids by all the public attention and notoriety in the halls of power.

Bob boder
Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 16, 2021 5:48 am

Fauci admits to lying about masks early in the pandemic, because he thought misleading the pupils to preserve masks was more important than telling the truth. So in his mind he is so important that he lying is acceptable, so when and where can you know when he is lying.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Bob boder
May 16, 2021 10:27 am

With pathological liars, the problem is, you can’t trust the truth or the lies and often can’t distinguish which is which.

Reply to  Bob boder
May 16, 2021 6:13 pm

Except he originally told the truth–masks are useless. His lie about supplies seems like a bizarre attempt to sound noble.

May 15, 2021 6:24 pm

Do you suppose that they could have made a SHC014 chimera with a widely-prevalent common to China corona virus that wasn’t common to the West?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Scissor
May 15, 2021 11:31 pm

Either that or the Chinese are simply lying about their death count.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 15, 2021 11:56 pm

The Chinese took prompt & decisive action. A proper lockdown, they knew how bad Covid-19 could be. People were confined to their homes, however, if they needed anything, it would be provided for them, free. Need food? It’ll be brought to your home. Medicine? Ditto. A proper test, track & isolate program was initiated. The Chinese authorities don’t suffer fools gladly, so none of the twats claiming vaccinations will implant a Bill Gates microchip in you.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 3:32 am

“The Chinese took prompt & decisive action.”

It’s too bad they didn’t take prompt and decisive action to prevent the Wuhan virus from leaving their territory.

Instead, the Chicoms did just the opposite and promoted international traffic in and out of China, thus insuring that the whole world would share in China’s virus problem.

The Chicoms should pay a price for this deadly attack on humanity.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 12:36 pm

“It’s too bad they didn’t take prompt and decisive action to prevent the Wuhan virus from leaving their territory.
Instead, the Chicoms…..
Tom on another thread you said name calling is for those who have no argument. Did you mean only for the people you don’t agree with, so it’s OK for you to use name calling when you want to make a point. I’m so confused. Can you explain?

Reply to  Simon
May 17, 2021 3:50 am

If you call that name calling you are beyond being a snowflake, you’re a melted puddle.

Reply to  Ruleo
May 17, 2021 9:05 am

“Chicom” = “Chinese Communist”. So about the same as “Italian Fascist” or “German Nazi” in WWII.

Reply to  Simon
May 17, 2021 6:28 am

Why do you have a problem with the term “Wuhan Virus”?

Bob boder
Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 5:49 am

And didn’t think twice about letting infected people leave Wuhan to infect the world.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 9:18 am

whoa bro, good one.

now pick up your check.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 9:26 am

Was the welding of doors shut to help in the humanitarian effort?
You sound like you get both your talking points and pay from the ChiComs! I guess you not a Uighur Muslim or an underground Christian or you might already be missing vital organs!

Reply to  Abolition Man
May 17, 2021 3:53 am

The people dropping dead. The people being draggged out of their homes. The apartment doors being welded shut. The ‘hospital’ built in 3 days.

All staged kabuki theater.

All of that was propaganda and lies from the CCP to instill global fear of a virus with a 99.98% recovery rate.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 9:53 am

Although your veracity is more than questionable, I doubt the source of your information. In short, your response is at least 2/3rds wishful thinking and 1/3rd total BS.

You’re describing some other culture entirely.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 16, 2021 4:01 pm

No way, AG. The outbreak occurred in the midst of Chinese New Year, during which tens or hundreds of thousands were travelling in and out of Wuhan, mostly out when it became clear that a lock down was to occur.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
May 17, 2021 6:33 am

Were these the same authorities who permitted a huge public Spring Festival feast to take place in Wuhan immediately after the outbreak, thus ensuring mass infection? Pray tell!

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Rory Forbes
May 16, 2021 4:56 am

Many years ago I was in a position that had access to information on the Chinese government. Since then I have never (and never will) believe anything coming from the Chinese government.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 16, 2021 9:59 am

Throughout the ’90s I also had close ties with China. Your reservations about their honesty are not without reason.

May 15, 2021 6:41 pm

Today’s Dark Horse Podcast was amazing.

Biologists Bret and Heather are the professors ejected from Evergreen college when administration caved in to the demands of SJW activists. I’ve been following them since the beginning of the Wuflu. They have been consistently ahead of the curve.

They were early in saying that the lab leak hypothesis had to be considered. The evidence is piling up that they were right.

They are not kind to Fauci. It could be argued that he got us into this mess and that he has had a big role in exacerbating it.

This week Bret and Heather examine the evidence on Ivermectin. They make a compelling case that the pandemic could already be over if Ivermectin hadn’t been squashed as a preventative and cure for the Wuflu. In particular, the emergency approvals for the vaccines would not have been necessary.

The trouble with Ivermectin is that it is out of patent and is easy and cheap to make. In other words, nobody stands to make billions of dollars, which is what they are doing with the vaccines.

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Walter Sobchak
Reply to  commieBob
May 15, 2021 7:33 pm

You never want to rely on a cure when you can prevent an infection by vaccination. Any disease as infective and virulent as COVID-19 can put you in the morgue before they get the cure into you. the vaccines, which are a triumph of medical technology, are definitely the thing.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:07 pm

Nonsense! A vaccine is fine unless you have to wait years, or even months to develop it. In the meantime, it is stupid-or criminal- not to use available, safe, therapies that reduce the severity and mortality of the disease before vaccines are developed.

David A
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 11:16 pm

Walter, that makes no sense to me. When an inexpensive and very effective treatment, with a history of millions having received it, and any problems are known and preventable, is available for a virus, especially one known not to be statistically dangerous to 80 percent of the population, then it should have been promoted and supported, not surprised. ( The indications are that Ivermectin is as effective as the vaccine, and HCQ, zinc and vitamin D , correctly administered, are as well.).

More people have died in 4 months from this “vaccine” then all previous vaccines over many years. ( Using the same definition of “dieing from the. vaccine” as is used in “dieing from Covid”.

To instead attempt a novel ” vaccine” with over a dozen potentially disastrous consequences, the worst of which will not be known for a year or two, is quite crazy, and possibly criminally irresponsible.

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Reply to  David A
May 16, 2021 12:39 pm

The indications are that Ivermectin is as effective as the vaccine”
No they are not. The vaccine is exceptionally effective the others (HCQ and the like) not at all.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 2:16 am

What you say is true BUT Ivermectin apparently prevents you from getting the disease in the first place. In the link provided by Gerald Machnee a few comments down, that’s what they refer to as prophylaxis.

There is a double standard that reaches the level of criminality. Those opposing Ivermectin demand large scale double blind studies while applying the most lax standards possible to their proposed solutions. If I understood them correctly Bret and Heather say that the very body preventing the deployment of Ivermectin are also one of the ones preventing any large scale double blind studies.

The other point is innumeracy. Large scale double blind studies are good at finding small effects. If you have a sufficiently large effect size, you don’t need a large scale double blind study. For example, people have bad health outcomes when anvils fall on their heads. Nobody would propose a large double blind study to prove the point.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
May 15, 2021 7:41 pm

“They make a compelling case that the pandemic could already be over if Ivermectin hadn’t been squashed as a preventative and cure for the Wuflu.”

I hear that India is making Ivermectin available to all its citizens in an effort to fight off the Wuhan virus. The World Health Organization has criticized India for this.

I read a new study yesterday, that was a compilation of many studies of Ivermectin, and the results reported were very good for using Ivermectin to treat the Wuhan virus. The key point in treating the Wuhan virus is to treat it as early as possible after becoming infected.

Soon we may have some therapeutics that are effective against all corona viruses. Perhaps by the end of this year.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 15, 2021 8:33 pm

This is the paper reviewing Ivermectin. In Canada, many died in long term care homes without any treatment as they would no approve Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. They did approve Remdesivir, which was one of only 4 drugs approved as of last winter. That tells me something about politics and TDS.

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19
It is here for the reading:


In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 15, 2021 8:35 pm

Check the graphs of cases and deaths for Mexico, Panama, and the Czech Republic which approved Ivermectin.

David A
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
May 15, 2021 11:21 pm

One must know the details, weather good or bad results. How was it admistered, how widely used, how did the treatment population do vs those not receiving treatment?

Every study I have read where these treatments were administered correctly has had tremendously positive results.

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John Tillman
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 11:00 am

Who knows how comparable are their fatality data, but Bangladesh, where many people take ivermectin against parasites, has allegedly suffered only 73 deaths per million associated with COVID, while India’s toll is listed as 197.

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Reply to  John Tillman
May 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Both of which are significantly less than US and Europe numbers.

Of course, that goes with “Who knows how comparable are their fatality data”

Reply to  commieBob
May 16, 2021 4:52 am

“… if Ivermectin hadn’t been squashed as a preventative and cure for the Wuflu. In particular, the emergency approvals for the vaccines would not have been necessary.”

The vaccine EUAs would not have been possible if Ivermectin had been approved. EUAs are only allowed when there are no approved treatments.

Reply to  icisil
May 16, 2021 6:37 am

In an emergency pandemic, rules can be changed.

Reply to  icisil
May 16, 2021 6:46 am

Exactly so. Bret and Heather make that point in some detail.

If Ivermectin was disappeared for the benefit of the drug companies, that makes Dr. Mann’s disappearing of the MWP look positively benign by comparison. Vile doesn’t come close to describing it.

Abolition Man
Reply to  commieBob
May 16, 2021 9:37 am

It’s hard to know for sure with the credibility of the US fatalities in question, but the ivermectin meta-analysis I found claimed in excess of 1.5 million fatalities worldwide could be attributed to the suppression of it’s use! Somewhere around 200,000-250,000 fatalities in the US are probably a direct result of the suppression of ivermectin, HCQ and other therapeutics; and tens of thousands of nursing home patients lost their lives due to the criminally negligent policies adopted by several governors against ALL medical science!
Fauxi, Cuomo,Whitmer; there seems to be plenty of blame and recrimination to go around, but the PTB seem strangely reluctant to do much investigating!

May 15, 2021 6:48 pm

Turn up the big shrug machine in the press.

May 15, 2021 7:31 pm

Rand Paul should be commended for demanding more transparency regards funding gain of function research. Most lawmakers are likely afraid to criticize St Fauci, and they see how Paul is being smeared.

Fauci may not be to blame directly. He oversees huge NIH NIAID budgets, and could easily be unaware of all the goings on. But Fauci has been favorable to gain of research. In the early days of the pandemic Fauci played down its transmission, saying the US has nothing to fear. There was no need to wear a mask. Later he walked back his no mask comments, saying he wanted to save masks for frontline workers, but his early interviews suggest that was not his concern at the time. I cant help but wonder if he was simply covering his ass for his part in the outbreak.


Bob boder
Reply to  Jim Steele
May 16, 2021 1:12 pm

Here’s my problem with Fauci on masks, if he purposely lied to save masks for the medical field then he also purposely put everyone else in danger because he thought we as citizens weren’t capable of dealing with the truth. Who is he to make that decision? Especially since he “thinks” mask are the number 1 thing for controlling the spread.

Reply to  Bob boder
May 17, 2021 6:36 am

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I can’t trust anything Fauxi says now I know he lied about masks.

May 15, 2021 7:38 pm

It is going to be hard to ever trust the NIAID, NIH, CDC again after all the lies and deceit, from Day 1. It seems to me to be very obvious that this was a straight up biowarfare hit on the world by China, and Mr. Foxy has been caught with his pants down. Not that he ever imagined that China would ever stoop so low as to commit this atrocity on the world, but in effect, he most certainly (but unwittingly) facilitated it the last decade.

At least Dr. Robert Redfield at the CDC had the nerve to call a spade a spade after he retired from the CDC and admit that his opinion was that this virus was engineered in the Wuhan Level 4 lab, and probably ‘accidentally’ released. Welcome to World War 3, just as the USA is being deliberately destroyed by evil forces from within the country by American citizens at the highest levels of elected and non elected Gov’t.

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Reply to  Earthling2
May 15, 2021 8:11 pm

What are the odds that Dr Fauci is working with the CIA, to track the bio weapons development potential of bat viruses? What are the odds this got the prior Presidential approval? Recall, ‘national security’ was one of the added loopholes for doing GOF research. Who decides what is in the national security interest? Not Dr Fauci for sure. That decision has to land on at least the CIA directors desk imo.

Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:02 pm

In subsequent items I will refer to the Wade article, well known science writer Nicholas Wade, late of the NYTimes, wrote a very well researched and reported pair of articles on the origins of the pandemic (links below):. ”The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?” By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021 in “The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists”
Also at https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

Wade wrote a condensed version for NYPost: “The theory that COVID-19 escaped from a lab may not be so far-fetched” By Nicholas Wade | May 9, 2021

Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:07 pm

Nick Stokes and Eric Worrall discussed the 2015 article by Baric et. al. It is not the smoking gun. To understand its importance you need to read the Wade Article. Here is an excerpt:

Inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology

Dr. Baric had developed, and taught Dr. Shi, a general method for engineering bat coronaviruses to attack other species. The specific targets were human cells grown in cultures and humanized mice. These laboratory mice, a cheap and ethical stand-in for human subjects, are genetically engineered to carry the human version of a protein called ACE2 that studs the surface of cells that line the airways.

Dr. Shi returned to her lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and resumed the work she had started on genetically engineering coronaviruses to attack human cells.

How can we be so sure?

Because, by a strange twist in the story, her work was funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH). And grant proposals that funded her work, which are a matter of public record, specify exactly what she planned to do with the money.

The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Dr. Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Dr. Shi. Here are extracts from the grants for fiscal years 2018 and 2019. “CoV” stands for coronavirus and “S protein” refers to the virus’s spike protein.

“Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.”

“We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”

What this means, in non-technical language, is that Dr. Shi set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. Her plan was to take genes that coded for spike proteins possessing a variety of measured affinities for human cells, ranging from high to low. She would insert these spike genes one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes (“reverse genetics” and “infectious clone technology”), creating a series of chimeric viruses. These chimeric viruses would then be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures (“in vitro”) and humanized mice (“in vivo”). And this information would help predict the likelihood of “spillover,” the jump of a coronavirus from bats to people.

The methodical approach was designed to find the best combination of coronavirus backbone and spike protein for infecting human cells. The approach could have generated SARS2-like viruses, and indeed may have created the SARS2 virus itself with the right combination of virus backbone and spike protein.

It cannot yet be stated that Dr. Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so. “It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice,” says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety.

“It is also clear,” Dr. Ebright said, “that, depending on the constant genomic contexts chosen for analysis, this work could have produced SARS-CoV-2 or a proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2.” “Genomic context” refers to the particular viral backbone used as the testbed for the spike protein.

The lab escape scenario for the origin of the SARS2 virus, as should by now be evident, is not mere hand-waving in the direction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It is a detailed proposal, based on the specific project being funded there by the NIAID.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:08 pm

Please note that the Director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is, and was at all relevant times, Saint Anthony Fauci.

David A
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 11:28 pm

“(NIAID), a part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Is Dr Fauci’s objection based on a sneaky distinction between NIAID and NIH?

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Walter Sobchak
Reply to  David A
May 16, 2021 9:10 am

I don’t think so. I believe that he is relying on Draszak’s Ecohealth being the formal grantee. Read my 8:10 below

Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:10 pm

Even if the grant required the work plan described above, how can we be sure that the plan was in fact carried out? For that we can rely on the word of Dr. Daszak, who has been much protesting for the last 15 months that lab escape was a ludicrous conspiracy theory invented by China-bashers.

On 9 December 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Dr. Daszak gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanized mice.

“And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new sars-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS,” Dr. Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. “Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanized mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger….

“Interviewer: You say these are diverse coronaviruses and you can’t vaccinate against them, and no anti-virals — so what do we do?

“Daszak: Well I think…coronaviruses — you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happen with coronavirus, in zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work a lot with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab. So you can get more predictive when you find a sequence. You’ve got this diversity. Now the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let’s insert some of these other things and get a better vaccine.” The insertions he referred to perhaps included an element called the furin cleavage site, discussed below, which greatly increases viral infectivity for human cells.

In disjointed style, Dr. Daszak is referring to the fact that once you have generated a novel coronavirus that can attack human cells, you can take the spike protein and make it the basis for a vaccine.

One can only imagine Dr. Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.

But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:21 pm

I should have noted that the foregoing is also an excerpt from the Wade article linked in my 8:02 pm

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 3:49 am

Thanks for all that detective work, Walter. Very helpful.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 12:03 pm

And yet, despite all the denials, the blaming of bats 500 miles away from Wuhan, the blaming of wet markets selling pangolins in Wuhan, the fact remains that the SARS2 Covid 19 virus was undergoing “gain of function” experiments in Wuhan and the worldwide outbreak of the pandemic occurred in Wuhan at exactly the same time.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 17, 2021 1:16 am

A video posted on YouTube yesterday revealed that Daszak co-signed a round-robin letter to The Lancet (medical research journal) which dismissed any link between the release of the virus and the Wuhan lab as nonsense and described any thought of such a link as a conspiracy theory. All the signatories declared no conflict of interest. It appeared that Daszak initiated this round-robin letter. No conflict of interest? Really?


May 15, 2021 8:27 pm

Fauxi has been lieing to us for over 1 year… dows anyone honestly think he’ll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth just because he’s in front of congress? It’s all political… and our lives are just pawns in their game to gain more power and control.

Reply to  goracle
May 16, 2021 6:59 am

Talking about congress …

YouTube took down congressional testimony by Dr. Kory in which he advocated for the use of Ivermectin. link

The Democrats learned nothing from Trump’s election. They continue to throw the majority of Americans under the bus.

Abolition Man
Reply to  commieBob
May 16, 2021 9:44 am

Most of their income comes from sources other than the American taxpayer, so they feel little affection for the smelly, WalMart shopping deplorables! With a little bit of luck they’ll be able to gut the 2nd Amendment and leave us defenseless test subjects for their continued experimental research on population control and reduction!

Reply to  commieBob
May 16, 2021 1:01 pm

They may not have learned anything from his election, but they certainly have learned since then that the media has their backs unconditionally.

Reply to  goracle
May 16, 2021 12:07 pm

Has anyone else noticed that Dr. Fauci only becomes upset in public when he is questioned by another physician, Dr. Rand Paul, who also happens to be a US Senator?

Reply to  Doonman
May 16, 2021 1:38 pm

when an animal lik Fauxi is cornered, the only way out is to lash out by not answering truthfully and increasing the volume of your voice

Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:34 pm

I think a competent prosecutor with subpoena power needs to go through Fauci’s and Daszak’s files and rake them over the coals.

I think there is enough information to establish that there is a fair likelihood that the virus was created by the Wuhan Institute and escaped from there.

It does not strike me as likely that the virus was released deliberately. If the Chinese were going to do that, they would have done it somewhere a long way from Wuhan. They also would have had a vaccine ready. I am perfectly willing to believe that the virus escaped from the lab due to ordinary mistakes and negligence.

I think the Biden administration will resist an investigation strongly. This is one they won’t be able to hang on Trump.

Further, it will be an indictment of the Washington swamp and all of their ways.The political fallout will be ugly

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 17, 2021 6:42 am

The lab leak is more plausible IMO. Apparently, something very odd happened in October-November 2019 at the WIV. Roadblocks were erected, all the cars disappeared from the carparks, and mobile phone traffic from the building ceased. Furthermore, there is the inexplicable disappearance of one of the researchers at WIV around that time. The first victim?

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 15, 2021 8:54 pm

The Chinese knew it was highly infectious in early Dec/19 if not earlier and transmission between humans was a big deal, while they were saying it wasn’t. But yet they allowed flights out of Wuhan to the 4 quarters of the globe, but banned flights domestically from Wuhan to the rest of China. I smell a rat. I think many people do, but most are too afraid to say so, due to the peer pressure of cancel culture and being politically correct. I don’t care anymore, and they can drone me if they want to.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 15, 2021 10:56 pm

Antibodies test elucidates

Reply to  Alex
May 16, 2021 1:02 pm

From what I’ve read, the antibody test is only useful for a few months afterward at best.

David A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 15, 2021 11:40 pm

Very possibly. I understand that antibody resistance, follows by T cell resistance to coronavirus infection, can possibly last for decades. So how come those that have been exposed are still told to take a vaccine that is A, experimental and possibly dangerous, and B, possibly very temporary in effectiveness?

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  David A
May 16, 2021 4:05 am

“So how come those that have been exposed are still told to take a vaccine that is A, experimental and possibly dangerous, and B, possibly very temporary in effectiveness?”

Good question.

And it seems that people who have been infected and then get a vaccine expeience both good and bad effects from the vaccine. Some people say the vaccine has improved their “long-covid” symptoms and some say it exaserbates them.

If you have had the virus, then it seems to me that you should have immunity and I don’t see why you would need a vaccination.

There may be cases where the vaccine would benefit someone who has already been infected, if that person’s immune system is not up to snuff, and then the vaccine improves your resistance.

But that’s mostly speculation on my part.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 16, 2021 1:42 am

It easily could have been. One of my acquaintances who works at Botany Docks became very ill with a pneumonia in January 2020 and repeatedly went to the doctor for antibiotics. Young and healthy he says he has never been sicker. He luckily stayed at home.
Because he works frontline at the docks, when the vaccine became available, he was tested for Covid-19 and found to have had it and recovered. Despite this he has been vaccinated.
Interestingly the docks are still a possible entry for the virus.
Anecdotally they have never been busier.
Before the cruise ships started to be infected

in March,2020, the quarantine powers that be, started to search maritime crews, going up to King’s Cross for a shower and carrying their change of clothes in a backpack.
They found a lot of drugs.
One wonders why this was never picked up.
Now the trick is to have ships coming in with infected crew, unload the sick crew out of the 12 nautical mile limit with a fresh crew that is negative for Covid.
The fresh crew then docks the ship and assists in unloading within the incubation period of the disease, then turns around to sail off into the sunset.
The ‘fresh’ crew then gets the disease.
Some die.

‘Port Botany workers boarded a ship on which 12 crew members later tested positive for COVID-19, including a man whose body washed ashore in Vanuatu nearly two weeks later.’
[Note this was one where they were not smart enough to beat the system]

The crew die later because the fresh crew enters a ship rotten with the disease.

Very glad you made it Eric.
The moral of this story.
We need our own flagged merchant marine.
Otherwise we are beholden to the work practices of China and South Korea.
It is becoming a matter of national security and strong border quarantine.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Earthling2
May 16, 2021 10:19 am

The virus was already in Virginia by Dec/19. I had an annual physical on Friday. The Physicians Assistant (PA) said masks were optional since he had had the virus in January of 2020. I told him I had probably the virus as well with a trip to the emergency room and a fever of 105 in April of 2020 but had tested negative.

The PA said that in his experience any fever that high was most likely due to COVID-19. Back in 2019 they had already seen many patients come in the clinic with temperatures of 104 to 105 degrees F. When they tested them for flue it always came back negative. He suspects that they were early cases of COVID-19.

Reply to  Earthling2
May 16, 2021 12:16 pm

The shortage of Chinese made paper masks began in America in January 2020. I know this for a fact because the monthly supplies provided to dialysis patients who must wear masks when hooking up to dialysis machines was suspended.

The supply houses were already out of stock by then and they were unavailable to us for use. We were told to recycle the masks due to the shortage.

This was two months before Nancy Pelosi publicly said “Chinatown is open come on down and have dinner.”

Reply to  Doonman
May 16, 2021 3:24 pm

Yep. China was actively buying up PPE supplies starting in late 2019, which caused the PPE shortages globally at the very beginning of the ‘pandemic’ in Jan/Feb 2020. It was if they knew exactly what was about to happen and were buying this up to deny other countries the usage of the PPE.

Even more bizarre, was that Canada donated nearly a plane full of PPE to China in Feb/20, sending the plane to China with the goal to bring back Canadian citizens that were stuck in China. China refused to allow a lot of foreign nationals to exit the country, and as I recall, this plane returned empty to Canada after donating over 16 tons of PPE. The Chicom’s under this version of the CCP have turned pure evil and isn’t a surprise they would create and use this pandemic of their own making to try to disable the world.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 3:54 am

“It does not strike me as likely that the virus was released deliberately. If the Chinese were going to do that, they would have done it somewhere a long way from Wuhan. They also would have had a vaccine ready. I am perfectly willing to believe that the virus escaped from the lab due to ordinary mistakes and negligence.”

That sounds like the most likely scenario.

The Taiwanese said the Chicoms put all their military facilities surrounding Wuhan on lockdown around November 1, 2019, so this seems to be when the Chicoms realized they had a virus outbreak on their hands.

Note that the Chicoms denied that the Wuhan virus could be passed from human to human clear up until the middle of January, 2020. So they had a bad virus outbreak for over two months before they even acknowledged that it was contagious. Obviously, they knew it was contagious.

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Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2021 7:38 am

This seems reasonable. One aspect of the Wuhan outbreak that has mysteriously disappeared from public view is the CCP’s “Kubuki-like” response once the outbreak became too big to ignore. What I mean by this is the hours and hours of western media coverage showing fleets of trucks and people in moon suits spraying everything in sight in Wuhan. Was this something the CCP thought was efficacious? Or having screwed up internally, was it simply intended to export panic to the West in order to create economic havoc among China’s competitors?

May 16, 2021 1:34 am

There is a paper trail to the funding …


“documents featured tonight
showing that in 2014 Dr Fauci commissioned and continued to fund Gain of Function virus research at the Wuhan Institute in direct contravention of the Obama administration ban “

Reply to  guidocyp
May 16, 2021 4:16 pm

Link does not currently work.

Reply to  Scissor
May 16, 2021 7:32 pm

Try this and, generally, you can peruse the entire channel for continued updates … https://twitter.com/SteveHiltonx/status/1353543830918762497

Reply to  Scissor
May 17, 2021 12:15 am

I tried the first link I posted and it seems to work for me.

In the event it should not work for you, look up Steve Hilton x on Twitter and/or look up @NextRevFNC

He’s dug up the public documents that show direct involvement of Fauci in GoF research funding.

Reply to  guidocyp
May 16, 2021 7:32 pm

Try this and, generally, you can peruse the entire channel for continued updates … https://twitter.com/SteveHiltonx/status/1353543830918762497

Reply to  guidocyp
May 17, 2021 4:50 pm

A link to twitter? I’m not sure there’s any value to continue to use that service consisting of mobs and the illiterate. They’d send anyone to a gulag for daring to resist their Marxism or Anti-Liberty predilections.

Matthew Sykes
May 16, 2021 2:33 am
May 16, 2021 2:59 am
Nick Schroeder
May 16, 2021 7:08 am

80% of C-19 CASES are UNDER 65 years old.
80% of C-19 DEATHS are OVER 65 years old.
30% of C-19 deaths were over 85 years old, only 2% of the population.
30% of C-19 deaths were in nursing homes, hospice or residence.
During the 2020/2021 scam-demic there were 568,053 Covid-19 “involved” deaths.
There were 3,916,033 deaths from other causes!!!!!
C-19 was 12.7% of ALL the 4,484,086 deaths from all causes.
Rather sorry excuse for a wide-spread, highly contagious, lethal scam-demic
Per CDC data tables.
Mother Nature and her buddy Grim Reaper were simply using C-19 to cull the herd of the too many, too old, too sick, too crammed together in contagious badly run (BLUE) eldercare facilities.
The US, Brazil, India, Mexico and the UK are accountable for HALF of the global C-19 deaths.
Including the next five: Italy, Russia, France, Germany and Spain and these top ten are accountable for 65% of the global C-19 deaths.
That takes some kind of special talent – or crappy health care.
Japan has counted a mere 11,064 C-19 deaths. What do they know the rest of the world does not?
WHO data
The lying, fact free, fake news MSM left wing coup de’tat propaganda machine rebranded an ordinary flu as a pseudo-pandemic to stampede the sheeple into deposing Trump.
Seeing the results of this SCAM-demic think how easy it would be to line everyone up at cattle cars for one-way trips to xyklon showers.
The US press is the poster child for why despots kick shit-stirring “journalists” out of helicopters into the Atlantic.

David Blenkinsop
May 16, 2021 10:54 am

Apparently, then, there is a very real prospect that the CoVid virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, as the result of inherently risky experiments. At least a portion of this work was funded by leading scientists/bureaucrats in the U.S.

As a description of the kind of thing that is done, see for instance,the quotation from an NIH report at about 5:15 in the following video ,
“[they do] virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice”.

Steve Hilton, the commentator in the video, goes on to talk about published papers that describe the discovery of a doorway into human cells, specifically to make various kinds of viruses more infectious or more easily transmissible.


May 16, 2021 11:01 am

We will probably never know the true source as the Chinese won’t let in independent investigators. However I would not be surprised if the virus came from a lab considering that the virus is most similar to virus found on in bats that live in caves hundreds of miles from Wuhan. Those same caves were used by Chinese lab scientists to collect samples.

May 16, 2021 11:06 am

Viruses continuously genetically engineer themselves, by grabbing pieces of other viruses and incorporating those pieces into the next strain.

Viruii do no such thing because they are not alive and cannot replicate themselves. It is the host cells (which are alive) that provide all the chemistry to perform all those functions.

May 16, 2021 11:46 am

I haven’t looked through the comments to check if someone had posted this already but this paper seems to be the one that Senator Paul was referring to. If you read the abstract it chimes with what he was saying in the exchange with Fauci at the hearing:


You can scroll to the acknowledgements at the bottom to see the funding grants. It doesn’t actually say “NIH” or the “eco” subsidiary but Senator Paul implied in their exchange that the money was sent to “a regime we can’t trust” that then funded the research. Indeed, two Chinese funding agencies are cited. Australia is also cited as funders, which I doubt they would do if NIH were not in on it too.

Here’s a link to the senate hearing exchange between Senator Paul and Fauci so that you can see how Senator Paul’s words chime with the abstract of the paper linked above (and Fauci’s brazen lying):


May 16, 2021 11:57 am

Dr Fleming has a great video (2.5 hours long) where he goes over the whole GOF and who did what when. Also shows video of the electron microscope view of the actual virus (yes it exists) at the 2’13” mark.


A 2-1/2 hour Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2

Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 12:17 pm

I want to add the following to the record:

An Interview with Richard Ebright: The WHO Investigation Members Were “participants in disinformation” By Jorge Casesmeiro Roger March 24, 2021


Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Rutgers University, Dr. Richard H. Ebright, PhD, is also Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology …

* * *

JCR: Regarding the inspection personnel, at least one member of the WHO mission team, Ecohealth Alliance President Dr. Peter Daszak, seems to have conflicts of interest that should have disqualified him from being part of an investigation of the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.

RHE: Yes. Daszak was the contractor who funded the laboratory at WIV that potentially was the source of the virus (with subcontracts from $200 million from the US Department of State and $7 million from the US National Institutes of Health), and he was a collaborator and co-author on research projects at the laboratory.

* * *

JCR: What biological evidence regarding the structure and behaviour of SARS-CoV-2 points to a pure zoonosis? And what to the lab theory?

RHE: The genome sequence of the outbreak virus indicates that its progenitor was either the horseshoe-bat coronavirus RaTG13, or a closely related bat coronavirus. RaTG13 was collected by Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013 from a horseshoe-bat colony in a mine in Yunnan province, where miners had died from a SARS-like pneumonia in 2012, was partly sequenced by WIV in 2013-2016, was fully sequenced by WIV in 2018-2019, and was published by WIV in 2020.

Bat coronaviruses are present in nature in multiple parts of China. Therefore, the first human infection could have occurred as a natural accident, with a virus passing from a bat to a human, possibly through another animal. There is clear precedent for this. The first entry of the SARS virus into the human population occurred as a natural accident in a rural part of Guangdong province in 2002.

But bat coronaviruses are also collected and studied by laboratories in multiple parts of China, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Therefore, the first human infection also could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with a virus accidentally infecting a field collection staffer, a field survey staffer, or a laboratory staffer, followed by transmission from the staffer to the public. There also is clear precedent for this. The second, third, fourth and fifth entries of the SARS virus into human populations occurred as a laboratory accident in Singapore in 2003, a laboratory accident in Taipei in 2003, and two separate laboratory accidents in Beijing in 2004.

JCR: So for you there is still a fifty-fifty chance?

RHE: At this point in time, there is no secure basis to assign relative probabilities to the natural-accident hypothesis and the laboratory-accident hypothesis. Nevertheless, there are three lines of circumstantial evidence that are worth noting.

JCR:Proceed, Doctor.

RHE: First, the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, a city of 11 million persons that does not contain horseshoe-bat colonies, that is tens of kilometers from, and that is outside the flight range of, the nearest known horseshoe-bat colonies. Furthermore, the outbreak occurred at a time of year when horseshoe bats are in hibernation and do not leave colonies

JCR: Another one.

RHE: Second, the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, on the doorstep of the laboratory that conducts the world’s largest research project on horseshoe bat viruses, that has the world’s largest collection of horseshoe-bat viruses, and that possessed and worked with the world’s closest sequenced relative of the outbreak virus. The laboratory actively searched for new horseshoe-bat viruses in horseshoe-bat colonies in caves in remote rural areas in Yunnan province, brought those new horseshoe-bat viruses to Wuhan, and then mass-produced, genetically manipulated, and studied those new horseshoe-bat viruses, year-round, inside Wuhan.

JCR: A remarkable coincidence. The last one?

RHE: Third, the bat-SARS-related-coronavirus projects at the Wuhan Institute of Virology used personal protective equipment (usually just gloves; sometimes not even gloves) and biosafety standards (usually just biosafety level 2) that would pose very high risk of infection of field-collection, field-survey, or laboratory staff upon contact with a virus having the transmission properties of SARS-CoV-2.

* * *

JCR: … Dr. Ebright, as a longstanding opponent of biological weapons proliferation (Nature: Jan. 24/02 & Jan. 15/12) and Founding Member of the Harvard “Cambridge Working Group Consensus Statement on the Creation of Potential Pandemic Pathogens (PPPs)”, does the current crisis demand a new debate and moratorium on these highly risky experiments, and this these time with a more international engagement?

RHE: Yes.

JCR: What went wrong for the Cambridge Working Group thesis during the 2014-2016 USA official moratorium and deliberative process on Gain-of-Function Research of Concern (GoFRoC)?

RHE: The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have systematically thwarted efforts by the White House, the Congress, scientists, and science policy specialists to regulate GoF research of concern and even to require risk-benefit review for projects involving GoF research of concern.

In 2014, the Obama White House implemented a “Pause” in federal funding for GoF research of concern. However, the document announcing the Pause stated in a footnote that: “An exception from pause may be obtained if head of funding agency determines research is urgently necessary to protect public health or national security”. Unfortunately, the NIAID Director and the NIH Director exploited this loophole to issue exemptions to projects subject to the Pause –preposterously asserting the exempted research was “urgently necessary to protect public health or national security”– thereby nullifying the Pause.

In 2017, the Trump Administration announced a Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework that implemented a requirement for risk-benefit review of GoF research of concern. However, the P3CO Framework relies on the funding agency to flag and forward proposals for risk-benefit review. Unfortunately, the NIAID Director and the NIH Director have declined to flag and forward proposals for risk-benefit review, thereby nullifying the P3CO Framework.
* * *

JCR: Drs. Imperiale and Casadevall, both Cambridge Work Group Board Members, echoed last summer: “Most experts who have been studying and discussing preparedness agree that the source of the pathogen does not significantly change the nature of the response. Is that right, Dr. Ebright, or maybe the outcome of knowing CoV-2 origin could have saved lives?

RHE: Understanding the origin of SARS-CoV-2 is not crucial for responding to the present pandemic. But it is crucial –absolutely crucial– for preventing future pandemics.

JCR: Regarding prevention, it was precisely Dr. Peter Daszak, with a renewed grant from the NIH, now to target deadly viruses in South Asia, who stated in August 2020: “We’re going to work in remote parts of Malaysia and Thailand to get to the front line of where the next pandemic is going to start”. Now, though Dr. Daszak is not openly cited in the March 4 Open Letter, he is clearly the WHO team member with a more biased vision and unresolved conflict of interest when it comes to inspecting a possible leak in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So going back: if the origin of Covid-19 was a lab accident, GoF, or in between, this would change the narrative of the whole pandemic, and so the measures that should be taken to prevent another one: like, for instance, keeping crackpot scientists far away from deadly viruses. Am I wrong?

RHE: You are not wrong.

JCR: Thank you for your attention, Dr. Ebright.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 16, 2021 12:24 pm

The interview with Ebright is a very imporatnt document. Particularly the bold paragraphs toward the end. I would label them as the indictment of Saint Anthony Fauci.

J’accuse, Dr. Fauci

May 16, 2021 12:59 pm

This just in:
Washington Examiner:

Ohio State professor jailed for three years for lying about Chinese funding

by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter May 16, 2021

A former professor at the Ohio State University who had pleaded guilty to making false statements to federal authorities related to concealing his financial ties to China while receiving funding from the National Institutes of Health was sentenced to more than three years in prison on Friday and was ordered to pay millions in restitution.

Song Guo Zheng, formerly a leading immunologist and rheumatologist at the Ohio State University and Penn State University, received 37 months behind bars, and the judge also ordered Zheng to pay more than $3.4 million to the NIH and roughly $413,000 to the Ohio State University.

Zheng was arrested in July 2020 while apparently trying to flee to China after he illegally received more than $4 million in grants from NIH while he concealed his affiliation with China’s Talents Plan at Sun-Yat Sen University, and he pleaded guilty in November 2020 to lying to investigators about what prosecutors called an “immunology research fraud scheme.”

The story also relates that Zheng was involved with five different Chinese university and research organizations, not just Sun-Yat Sen U.

Reply to  dk_
May 16, 2021 1:31 pm

Before you ask, yes, I know that this is a different Zheng. Even sharing a common surname, I am reasonably sure that the two are not closely related (Zhengs/Chengs in China being near as common as my ancestral Joneses in Wales). Point in poisting this here is more NIH medical malfeasance in connection with identified and unnamed medical research institutions under CCP control.

Forrest Gardener
May 16, 2021 5:51 pm

Senator Paul almost asked the right question which was whether any US funds found their way to the Wuhan lab which they did. The second question is what the purpose of the US funds was. The third question is what the US funds were actually used for. The fourth question is how Fauci knew that no funds had been diverted from their purpose.

Any creative administrator knows that funding is fungible. The easiest way to get funds applied to the wrong (or is that right) purpose is to divert unrelated funding. You get a grant to mow the lawns and that means you can use your actual lawn mowing money somewhere else.

May 16, 2021 7:18 pm


An evolutionary portrait of the progenitor SARS-CoV-2 and its dominant offshoots in COVID-19 pandemic
“However, multiple coronavirus infections in China and the USA harbored the progenitor genetic fingerprint in January 2020 and later, suggesting that the progenitor was spreading worldwide months before and after the first reported cases of COVID-19 in China.”

May 17, 2021 6:20 am

Cut the crap. Just demand the lab reports and notebooks for the NIH- NIAID grant that went to manipulating the S spike protein at the Wuhan BSL-4 lab. Fauci won’t permit the reports to be seen. CALL HIS BLUFF! Let’s see what’s there.

Reply to  posa
May 17, 2021 6:36 am

Send in the US Marshals and seize everything, including his personal financials and all the top people involved.

May 17, 2021 6:38 am

I want to know precisely how much Fauxi is personally profiting from all of this.

May 17, 2021 12:51 pm

That these gain of function studies were NOT the most intensely discussed “ecological” and “systemic” and “sustainability” subject last years shows how utter vacuous and dishonest the whole System is.

May 17, 2021 3:57 pm

This article operates on the discredited hypothesis that Dr Fauci is an honest and diligent scientist. He is not! It has been shown that he hasn’t seen a patient in 20 years and, therefore, has no inkling of what this SARS-Cov2 virus is and how it can be treated. He has shown a complete lack of understanding and commitment to data analysis that disproves any justification of the world-wide totalitarian threat to our civil and human rights. He is financially committed to the ongoing hysteria he, personally, has helped cause. This, so his investments in certain pharmaceutical companies will do better as they create these experimental immunotheraputic drugs mislabeled “vaccines” (they are designed to reduce symptoms not prevent transmission – we might find out about transmission in the future (kind of like we’ll know what’s in the bill after we pass the bill)).

Come on, man. 🙂

May 21, 2021 5:50 pm


(One thing to check is names of labs, I gather there is more than one in or near Wuhan.)

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