Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart; The Australian Daily Telegraph claims a leaked dossier suggests it is China’s fault that Covid-19 spread; China deliberately suppressed knowledge of the outbreak, instead of trying to stop the spread of the epidemic.
But dangerous Wuhan “Gain of Function” Studies, in which virologists deliberately created lethal human pathogens from bat viruses, to evaluate the risk of such pathogens evolving naturally, received funding from the USA and Australia, even after concerns were raised by US embassy scientists in 2018 about inadequate safety procedures.
Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program
Sharri Markson, The Daily TelegraphMay 2, 2020 3:15pm
China deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an “assault on international transparency’’ that cost tens of thousands of lives, according to a dossier prepared by concerned Western governments on the COVID-19 contagion.
The 15-page research document, obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, lays the foundation for the case of negligence being mounted against China.
It states that to the “endangerment of other countries” the Chinese government covered-up news of the virus by silencing or “disappearing” doctors who spoke out, destroying evidence of it in laboratories and refusing to provide live samples to international scientists who were working on a vaccine.
It can also be revealed the Australian government trained and funded a team of Chinese scientists who belong to a laboratory which went on to genetically modify deadly coronaviruses that could be transmitted from bats to humans and had no cure, and is not the subject of a probe into the origins of COVID-19.
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Key figures of the Wuhan Institute of Virology team, who feature in the government dossier, were either trained or employed in the CSIRO’s Australian Animal Health Laboratory where they conducted foundational research on deadly pathogens in live bats, including SARS, as part of an ongoing partnership between the CSIRO and the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
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The study acknowledges the incredible danger of the work they were conducting.
“The potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens,” they wrote.
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The US withdrew funding from controversial experiments that make pathogens more potent or likely to spread dangerous viruses in October 2014, concerned it could lead to a global pandemic.
The pause on funding for 21 “gain of function” studies was then lifted in December 2017.
Despite the concerns, the CSIRO continued to partner and fund research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
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A ‘‘Sensitive but Unclassified’’ cable, dated January 19, 2018, obtained by The Washington Post, revealed that US embassy scientists and diplomats in Beijing visited the laboratory and sent warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety practices and management weaknesses as it conducted research on coronaviruses from bats.
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Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60
The following is the abstract of the 2015 study which includes Dr. Shi, head of the Wuhan Virology Institute. The main body of the study includes the quote “the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens“.
The study describes the deliberate creation of chimeric bat viruses capable of infecting humans, to investigate the likelihood that such viruses could evolve naturally;
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.
Menachery VD, Yount BL Jr, Debbink K, Agnihothram S, Gralinski LE, Plante JA, Graham RL, Scobey T, Ge XY, Donaldson EF, Randell SH, Lanzavecchia A, Marasco WA, Shi ZL, Baric RS.
Erratum in
Corrigendum: A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. [Nat Med. 2016]
Abstract
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
Read more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/
What a mess. Here is my take on what I think happened.
The scientists in Wuhan have been playing with Chimeric bat viruses in their city centre laboratory since at least 2013 (the date of a previous study mentioned by the Daily Telegraph). Members of the team were trained by Australia. Links with Australia were apparently ongoing. The research was at least partly funded by the USA and Australia; although the USA withdrew funding in 2014, funding apparently resumed in 2017.
There is evidence the Wuhan laboratory was not well managed. Aside from the obvious idiocy of siting such a facility in the middle of a big crowded city, there are multiple allegations of serious shortcomings with Wuhan laboratory safety protocols (a Chinese study which was hastily withdrawn, and the 2018 US embassy warning cited by the Daily Telegraph).
Although the evidence is circumstantial, it seems a strong possibility that SARS-CoV-2 is one of the horrifying chimeric bat viruses Wuhan researchers deliberately created, which escaped thanks to poor safety practices.
Whatever the source, China appears to have responded in the worse possible way by arresting whistleblowers and attempting to conceal the outbreak, instead of going public and focussing all their efforts on trying to stop it.
Even worse was shutting down down domestic flights within China from Wuhan while allowing international flights to exit Wuhan for the 4 corners of the planet for as period of time. So they knew at that point. That would show criminal intent to also allow he spread of a highly contagious novel virus to the rest of the world that had no natural defence. It appears this is the truth of the matter, so that then makes China criminally responsible and culpable. This would make it tantamount to an act of bio war.
exactly…..when Trump tried to ban flights from China…..China raised holy hell about it
so did a lot of people in the US.
Is it better to die a xenophobe or not?
There’s something to be said for surviving as a xenophobe instead of dying as a globalist.
xenophobe is just another stupid liberal by which they assert that anyone who does not share their political worldview is mentally ill.
A phobia is an illogical fear. Banning flights from a country fighting a massive unknown viral epidemic is NOT an illogical fear, neither is it in the slightest bit “racist”.
The lab leak was originally being dismissed as C.T. but the similarity to the work being done is too close to be ignored and the reaction of the Chinese state is so obviously an attempt at covering something up, it hardly supports the idea the they thought it was of natural cause.
I think Eric Worral has got this exactly right. The only thing to add is that the OTT reaction of most western govts. was probably driven by the fact that they knew this was a biolab leak all along and shit scared about what it actually was, though they did not want to create total hysteria in their populations by openly announcing it.
They still need to explain now why they are being so slow about reopening the economy , especially in states or regions which have not been severely hit.
The shutdown measures are NOW creating us problems which will make the pandemic look like the good news.
It is better to live as an anti-communist than to live as an apologist for a system that has shown no regard for human life.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And the communist system is absolutely corrupt.
It doesn’t matter who implements this system, it always ends in mass misery and suffering.
And Trump’s ban was to protect the US. It has zero to do with race. The Left’s brainless political response (continue with impeachment and raise the race card) rather than help the President and the country solve a problem is pathetic.
In reply to: …so that then makes China criminally responsible and culpable.
Yes. I totally agree.
China should be charged with criminal negligence, in the world court.
If company did what China did they would be charged and convicted of criminal negligence causing death.
Criminal negligence requires two proofs in court.
1. It must be proved that the party charged has a duty to be responsible. Even if the lab release was accidental, the party must take action immediately to reduce deaths and risk to public. A country that does research with deadly diseases is responsible to protect the public and to mitigate any accidents.
2. The party must have been derelict in their actions and due to the party’s derelict actions, there were damages and/or deaths that could have been avoid.
Hiding data, destroying data, making false statements and so on are the type of actions which almost always would result in conviction for criminal negligence.
The courts view corrupt actions, as corrupt actions that must be punished.
Agree
A pity the USA does not recognize the international court in The Hague.
As did the Democrats.
Anyone know why the US apparently resumed funding the lab in 2017? Resumed funding on what grounds?
Resuming funding was fauci’s idea.
Two videos one since deleted by Youtube, but the other here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjjybyJ59Lw&feature=youtu.be claim between them the US govt banned research on increasing virulence of CV and Fauci bypassed the instruction by funding further research in the lab in Wuhan. That one was taken down suggests – they may be true/not true? And Trump was recently asked if the previous administration had funded some $million to the Wuhan Lab for such research. He said he was only aware recently of this claim but added it was a long time ago
Fauci is bad news, directly tied to Gates, Clinton’s, Zuckerberg’s WHO etc.
It appears that he has a considerable conflict of interest.
Resumption of funding was announced by NIH Director Francis Collins, based on a new HHS Framework for Guiding Funding Decisions about Proposed Research Involving Enhanced Potential Pandemic Pathogens:
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research
According to Collins’s statement, the new HHS funding framework “formalizes robust oversight for federally funded research with enhanced pathogens of pandemic potential. It is the product of an extensive deliberative process undertaken by experts…”
Collins should be fired.
A preprint by Prashant Pradhan et al. suggesting a high probability that the Wuhan Virus was a bioengineered chimera was attacked and forced to be withdrawn.
Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v2
Abstract
ZeroHedge.com has some of the most extensive collections of news on sources of this pandemic.
e.g. Wuhan biolab; https://www.zerohedge.com/search-content?search_api_fulltext=wuhan+chimera&sort_by=search_api_relevance>Wuhan chimera; the Wuhan Virus; the Wuhan coronavirus; Wuhan SARS; Wuhan nCoV; Wuhan epidemic; Wuhan doctors.
Now why ever did Twitter ban Zerohedge for providing such a wealth of information?
The onion also has a lot of articles. However they at least acknowledge that they aren’t being serious.
Who knows why Twitter bans people? Or Google or Facebook, or Youtube. Or other websites? The obvious inference is that the owners of these websites, or apps or search engines, don’t like certain speech. But they are not the government and technically the first amendment does not apply to them.
It has been long established that when one writes a letter to the editor of a newspaper, the editor has no had an obligation to publish it.
See my post below. The comments to this article were brutal. I posted one comment where the commenter said all of the inserts were in a previously identified natural corona bat virus.
https://project-evidence.github.io/
Is extremely well referenced and points to the same.
The Chimeric argument is irrelevant. Whether they did, whether they didn’t it got out of the lab.
I can’t find the numbers for wet markets in China but there are close to 10,000 in Vietnam. There must be well over 100,000 in China, and they have been operating for hundreds of year. We’re supposed to believe the virus home in directly to the wet market next to the lab, and that some under cooked bat caused the problem? That’s farcical.
It’s a leak from the lab.
It could be as simple as some lab assistant selling off the piglets they infected for some extra cash. But the most likely is that it walked out with one of the workers, and spread from there.
They were even using Corona viruses to test their bio security.
Or it could be an intentional release – to test the effectiveness of their new bio-weapon.
“Or it could be an intentional release – to test the effectiveness of their new bio-weapon.”
Exactly. Maybe release a virus with the half the recipe – just some of the new and improved features – to do some beta testing. With all the data being collected for them regarding this beta test, they can improve the real deal!
The bottomline of this is that making the virus more infectious in a lab did not necessarily make it more virulent. Sure it spread very quickly and was in the central US by December 2019, but because of the pathetic quality of the tests and no gold standard for testing, it is not at all clear that CCP-19 is the one that is attacking the elderly and infirm. Actually, elderly is not fair, as nonagenarians and centenarians people have recovered quite nicely. Critical conditions and immunocompromised fits the bill.
It would take a major effort to isolate ALL the viruses various people who died had at the time and look for the common virus (and there could also be more than one and there could also be some synergistic effects from a combination of viruses). Thus, blaming one virus on this outbreak is just plain wrong, just because they pretend to have a test for it, which they do not.
It is known that the PCR tests being used today only look to detect a general sequence in covis and NOT CCP-19. And the several faster tests have to be looking for virus surface proteins that are common to many covis, which can be considered an environmental factor that varies in all of us from time to time and throughout the year. We also produce exosomes that might also have common coat surface and we produce these at variable amounts as well. Pretending that the results from such general tests have any meaning is to mislead the public and purposely generate fear.
Also, just because one tests positive, it does not mean they have the virus, first, based on the poor quality of the tests, and second, as one might be asymptomatic as well—why is no one wondering that these symptomatic positives might be false positives? The US Navy seems to agree with this question and say the tests produce too many false positives.
Testing positive does not make one a “case,” as a case should be one who is ill, not simply testing positive. This is how they inflate the numbers to make it seems that this “deadly” virus is spreading, when in fact, all they are doing is testing for an environmental factor that ensures that they will continue to get positives forever in the general population.
And, the icing on the cake is that the powers that be never sit back and admit that the susceptible population is the elderly infirm and immune-compromised. Or that the young and middle-aged healthy people are at very little risk if they become infected and later immune. Herd immunity is desired as it would protect our susceptible population, but that is solution the powers that be do not want to recognize. This means that we are now dealing with political agendas and not health issues.
END THE U.S. HOSTAGE CRISIS, NOW!
Here are some other facts which point to the WIV (Wuhan Institute for Virology) being the source of the virus: the virus originated in Horseshoe bats, which are only found in the South (Yunnan and Guangdong), and not Hubei Province; no one in China eats Horseshoe bats, which are tiny, difficult to catch, and not worth eating, though they do eat flying foxes; bats have never been sold at the Wuhan wet markets.
I am 100% unscientific.
Reading language like: “in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis.” means I don’t understand any of it.
What was it the scientists, the lab, the U.S., Austrailia, were trying to accomplish in Wuhan?
Chimeric = Frankenstein fusion of different viruses
They built it, then they tested it in various proxies for human beings – human cell cultures, mice.
The 2015 study tells the world how successful they were at creating a dangerous human pathogen from bat viruses, in their “gain of function” experiments.
The justification for the experiments is the chimeric viruses they created could have occurred naturally, and they wanted to evaluate how likely dangerous pathogens were to occur by seeing how much they had to manipulate bat viruses to make them dangerous to humans.
Plus create vaccines against these viruses. The main thrust of any such research is to create vaccines so after SARS1 we could respond immediately with a vaccine. Scientific research is always a double edged sword. Just as nuclear energy can be a great a great source of abundant low cost energy or be used to make a bomb, virus research be used to either create vaccines to relieve human suffering due to disease or to create bioweapons. I have no doubt the western scientists involved had only altruistic purposes and that is probably true of the Chinese scientists. Whoever thought helping the communists to do this was a smart idea is a naive fool. The USA was right to stop this research because of the danger. So why did they restart? Could it be the USA knew what China was doing and got nervous about it? We need a vaccine and we need it fast, and not just for the Chicom Flu, but for all coronaviruses. While I have some doubts the Chinese let this one out on purpose, it is obvious they saw the advantages to letting it spread and to taking advantage of the pandemic to make money, to injure and weaken the west, and to spread their influence. Mark my words. Thus far they have gained too much from this release and therefore they will do it again. Chico must be severely and devastatingly punished for this or next time, it will be on purpose.
If they wanted to develop skill creating coronavirus vaccines they could have started with something far less dangerous like the common cold.
While I agree, it’s hard to get funding for something like the common cold. Remember scientists can only get funding from government for those things that government thinks people will vote for. It’s easy to get funding for a big scary virus like SARS1 but hard to get funding for a vaccine against the common cold.
What was all this ‘talk’ about Fauci and the NIH/CDC funding WIV for GoF activities?
If GoF research was effectively shutdown in North America then, like all the rest of our manufacturing, was this ‘subcontracted out’ to WIV.
Has this come back to bite Fauci in the a$$?
Many common cold viruses are coronaviruses.
well as stated IN the document they couldnt make a vaccine or monoclonal antibody TO halt it
so thats where the sh*t hit the fan
they know that in all the time they worked on this and prior on first SARS they cant make a magic vax or cureall
and they ARE the supposed experts
everyone else trying to make the cure is pretty much waaaaay behind and running in quicksand.
also explains the odd insistence it will keep recurring and not apparently weaker
natural forms like SARS and MERS didnt have souped up genetweaks
this does
The Israelis have something going that looks very promising. Don’t discount the idea of a vaccine yet. They start human trials June 1.
Dr. Shi enjoys playing God with viruses, and in particular, bat viruses. She wanted to determine whether particularly infective coronaviruses could come about via natural evolution. As part of this research, she and her team produced infective cornaviruses by combining the most infectious bits from existing ones.
A short explanation:
First: China does what China will do.
Now then – a few easy steps:
1) China is backwards in science, engineering, manufacturing.
2) China obtains skill and technology in all areas from the West.
3) China experiments with obtained technology until it is mastered.
4) China deploys new capabilities to their advantage. The new capabilities they have would have taken them decades to develop on their own.
Now down to cases:
Reading language like: “in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis.”
Translation:
in vivo – in live animals
demonstrate replication – the virus was thriving, reproducing
chimeric virus – the virus was synthetic, the dangerous part from a bat virus, mounted onto a mouse virus.
notable pathogenesis – the test mice got sick, and likely died.
Added Vocabulary:
GOF – Gain Of Function: Special techniques used to enhance the virus in some way.
(Anybody with specific knowledge, please jump in and provide a better definition)
Possibilities:
A) they were experimenting with the technology while gaining a mastery of it. (Like a child playing with matches, they did not fully understand the possible consequences of their actions.
{I do not buy this for a second, they are not stupid, they knew what they were doing.})
B) Hat Tip to David L Hagen.
If true, that this virus has protein sequences from HIV/AIDS, then only one possible explanation.
First, to restate why AIDS is so dangerous. Our bodies have an immune system to protect us from bacteria and viruses as these bad actors attempt to infect us in any number of locations.
AIDS attacks the immune system itself. This cripples the hosts defense against AIDS and *everything else* in the process.
As they say – Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.
Put it all together, and this lab was messing with the development of Bioweapons.
This COVID-19 may well have been just the early stages of an engineered weapon of unheard of lethality.
{COVID-19(!) What happened to the first 18????}
The protein sequences of the AIDS/HIV virus had low homology, low matching of sequence to the coronavirus sequence. If I recall correctly it was in the range of <58%. The four regions are also regions common to all viruses that infect humans so forget that part. If they don't have that part, they can't infect. (By analogy, 'Honda and Mazda cars both have wheels so therefore Ford F150, which also has wheels, must be made in Japan.') This pandemic is bad enough with adding faulty stuff. I agree with "Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."
Building islands and turning them into military outposts is done out of stupidity ?
Sweet Old Bob
Does that look like stupidity to you?
From here, it doesn’t look like stupidity – it looks like malice.
Like pretty much everything that Poisoner Putin does.
Auto
In the long term probably
SOB, complete non-sequitor.
There’s no way someone can accidentally build an island.
On the other hand accidentally releasing a virus is all to easy.
It is not the percentage of a virus that matches another virus that is important for key functionality. Viruses that are passed in a bat cave among the bats are optimized for the respiratory cells of bats. Random variations either increase this optimization or are not able to reproduce and die off, without spreading their RNA. The bats produce anti-bodies to clear the virus, so any virus is in a race to reproduce and infect other bats before it can be defeated by the current infected bat.
The SARS like viruses that were used in the lab, were combined with viruses that had the capability to infect human cells, with the RNA package.
This is the goal of the experiments. Is their a way to take COV virus and combine it with other naturally occurring viruses and make it able to spread easily between humans?
So in your example – Honda’s and Mazda’s’ are optimized for roads, traffic patterns, and occupant size of Japan, so they are likely “created” in Japan, where those characteristics imply optimization for the “creation environment”.
What they are showing is that modifications to the “receptor-binding motif (RBM)” of SARS-CoV the with the hybrid S protein was able to use the huACE2 for cell entry. (key to entering human cells)
This is the difference between human-to-human spread or not. A small change that makes a large change in the effect of that change.
Is the “19” used because 2019 was the year in which it was discovered?
Covid – 19 – in year 2019.
My reading of all the data leads me to believe that their ultimate objective was to develop an HIV vaccine. The market for such a vaccine must be $billions.
US consumers have consistently failed to understand that THEY are funding the buildup of China and the Chinese military, every time we buy a product made in China, or owned by a company from China. Eventually, we’ll likely see a war where the weapons we funded are used against us.
Releasing the Corona virus on the world, after it emerged, by allowing infected people to travel outward, was an act that (by plan or happenstance) would level (or more than compensate) for the damage done by coronavirus to their own economy—by attacking the economies of global “competitors”.
China is not a peaceful member of the global community. We cut our own throats every time we help their economy, or do business with the.m The money saved is nothing compared to the blood and treasure it will cost. Let’s move away from a cheap labor strategy to an AI / automation approach to keep the cost of goods down.
Okay. Screed over.
I just bought a new computer mouse not made in mainland China but in Taiwan. Very hard to find and four times the price but I did it. I also just bought shoes from Vietnam, not China, at a comparable price better quality. Consumers do have a choice.
<US consumers have consistently failed to understand that THEY are funding the buildup of China and the Chinese military, every time we buy a product made in China,
There, the US is not alone….
Were Dangerous Wuhan Coronavirus Lab Experiments Part Funded by Western Governments?
What a mess. Here is my take on what I think happened.
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could, would, I think,Daily Telegraph claims
If this were a story about climate change it would have been laughed off the pages of wuwt.
facts are required before you start pointing fingers.
What do you want, a signed confession from the local head of the CCP?
The Wuhan laboratory was conducting dangerous experiments with bat viruses, there are two claims their safety procedures were lacking, and the dangerous bat virus outbreak was first detected 280 yards from the lab.
Obviously it would be nice to see if the SARS-CoV-2 virus is an exact match for one of the chimeric viruses created by the lab, to confirm the theory, but given China’s frantic efforts to cover everything up I doubt we’ll ever receive that kind of confirmation.
Eric Worrall May 3, 2020 at 6:54 am
The Wuhan laboratory was conducting dangerous experiments with bat viruses, there are two claims their safety procedures were lacking,
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There you go again “claims”
Next time a climate scientist uses the word “probable” when predicting the future I would how yo accept is probable claims!!
“Next time a climate scientist uses the word “probable” when predicting the future I would how yo accept is probable claims!!”
You’re foaming at the mouth.
The difference is, the climate claims can be shown to be nonsense. We don’t yet know if the virus claims are nonsense. I’m sure can point to some evidence, after you wipe the spittle off your chin.
His paymasters are in trouble.
When you have guilty parties suppressing knowledge of their guilt and only a few “facts” you try to use deduction and probability to connect those “facts”.
The idea that it “spontaneously” evolved in the Seafood Market in Wuhan, is a cover story that would only fool those that are “predisposed” to believe it, because of differences in cultural food choices and food supply methods.
This virus is the culmination of public biological studies, and is exactly what the Wuhan Virology Institute had been working on. The idea that it “spontaneously” appeared in Wuhan is contradicted by the following evidence:
– It was the winter. Any local bats would be hibernating so would not be flying into the market.
– The market did not sell bats. Multiple witnesses to that fact, none that support bat sales.
– The type of bat that carries these viruses is smaller in mass than a mouse. Not suitable for eating.
– The type of bat that carries these viruses are not local to area, and exist in colonies 600 miles away in a tropical environment.
The “wet market origin” a lie concocted for those that believe whatever they are told by “argument from authority” sources. It is propaganda, and sufficient for those that would not question its logic. State run media, left leaning media, and trolls that are pawns in the spread of this propaganda. Apologists for despicable actions by guilty criminals.
The 280 yards is nonsense. There are two reported distances. One being 8 miles from each other and the other being 21 miles. A hell of a discrepancy. But not 280 yards.
The Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) is 280 meters from the Market.
So research on bats was occurring in this facility and it is a possible source.
The WIV is ~12km away. It is much more likely the source of the virus. It is very unlikely that a virus would jump directly from bat to human. The original COV’s where highly optimized for bat cells because to survive in bat colonies these viruses required that specialization. The variations of the COV=19 virus are specific to binding to humans cells. And the only known virus with these characteristics is in WIV – it is a virus called RatG13.
Smoking gun…..with ballistics to match. Now it is more a question of how the virus was released, and why did it happen. And after it was known, what was done about it, to contain it, and what was done to cover it up.
This document suggests pangolins from Malaysia were the source
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(20)30360-2
It suggests that it is less likely the source than a virus we know was in Wuhan at the time, at a laboratory that
instead of in a dead Malayan Pangolin, in a different country.
So it is possible the Pangolin COV viruses were used in the lab, to help generate chimeric virus strains that are dangerous pathogens to humans. It would surprise me if they didn’t look at all animals that carry COV’s similar to those found in bats.
It is not possible that Malayan Pangolins spontaneously generated a strain of virus that would have human-to-human transmission capability in the Seafood Market. They don’t even attempt to make that case, because it is so completely devoid of logic. They just imply it is possible, much like it is possible that it came from a UFO built by a race of giant pangolins on a planet in a distant solar system. Implying “possible” is where you go, when “very likely” is anathema to your agenda.
Chinese researchers trying to convince the world that painting strips on a horse, makes it a zebra. And a pay-for-post army of trolls echoing that painted horses are zebras.
ghalfrunt:
On the other hand, since it isn’t a story about climate change but uses just the same methodology as proof of theory, why are you criticizing Eric for posting an article you’re bound to accept as true? I mean, if you’re not going to contradict yourself anyway.
You DO believe the article don’t you?
You mean the fact China ordered the destruction of evidence?
Like the fact that China disappeared scientists who tried to warn the world?
Like the fact that China lied to the world about human to human transmission?
Like the fact that China shut down internal travel while allowing international travel to continue?
Those facts, or the fact that many people were complaining about lax security at the lab that was conducting dangerous experiments?
Or are you just trying to distract attention again?
Sounds like a fustercluck occurred and the CCP saw an opportunity…..
Same with the democrats.
Fortunately for the DemoKKKrats their ChiCom masters could warn them to stop downplaying the danger of the ChiCom-19 virus before they could be seen as foolishly naive! They then switched to the Pandemic Dem-panic mode of pushing President Trump to voluntarily destroy the roaring economy his policies had created with help from the disinformation programs of the ChiComs and WHO! The ChiComs must be feasting in Beijing with numerous toasts to their DemoKKKrat servants! US policy might have been more reasonable and well thought out if the the DemoKKKrats and their buttkissing lackeys, the LSM, hadn’t pushed the PANIC button so hard and so often!
I am left with the question, “Who is inept?” A government that inadvertently releases a deadly virus into the world population or one that destroys the liberty and prosperity of millions of its citizens to save a few thousand lives. This is surely THE MOST expensive cure in human history and, according to a growing number of experts, not particularly effective!
It’s very difficult to tell what harm is from ineptitude and what is being done intentionally to us.
And Canada https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-funds-covid-19-research-project-that-is-collaborating-with/
This video also documented it and Dr Fauci’s part in getting the research done in China when it was banned in the US but guess what
“This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.
Learn more”
Have we not got a “way back” type way to preserve such videos?
From the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200424072139/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbYHJcMbz8&feature=youtu.be
yirgach: Here’s Doc Fauci in a November 2019 video wishing for another pandemic to win over! I didn’t like this guy much when he rushed in to interrupt Trump on hydroxychloroquine therapy. There are a series of videos on this topic before the pandemic happened.
https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/05/03/flashback-heres-dr-fauci-wishing-for-brand-new-pandemic-in-nov-interview-rare-he-said-what/
There’s a well known saying – it might even be a Chinese proverb:
“Be careful what you wish for”.
Chris
That was obviously a bribe to get PPE into Canada. This is supposedly research money to create an antibody test. Right after the research was approved, suddenly PPE started flowing into Chinada by the planeful. We have Canadian companies who are still waiting to get bureaucratic approval to produce literally hundreds of various virus and antibody tests who can’t get approval to use or sell them. One type of antibody test is actually even approved and in use in the USA and Europe and yet can’t get approved in Canada where it is made. The excuse is that the WHO says the test is not reliable or useful and until the WHO approves, no such test in Canada will be approved. There has been so much frustration with the Feds in Canada that Alberta threatened to go ahead and start using the antibody test without federal approval. Manitoba is also quietly working to validate their own antibody test without federal approval. Anyone care to lay a bet on how the WHO will suddenly announce the Chinese antibody test, and only the Chinese antibody test, has the sensitivity and specificity that makes it worth approving for use in Canada?
I would like to know the brief history of Chinese passport entrants to the US (and other nations from which we can obtain them) for Sept., Oct., Nov. Dec. 2019, and Jan., Feb., Mar. Also compare those to the same months from one year earlier. Looking for data on a possible intentional spread.
I used to fly to Wuhan and in my experience I saw more and more flights being added over time. There was always some renovation project underway. A new larger terminal was added and the older smaller international terminal was demolished in 2017.
Certainly, out of Wuhan, 2019 to early 2020 would show increased traffic.
And Canada https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-funds-covid-19-research-project-that-is-collaborating-with/
This video also documented it and Dr Fauci’s part in getting the research done in China when it was banned in the US but guess what
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Why did the virus spread that fast and reached such an extended cover? Initial briefings were to keep hands away from mouth & eyes and wash/sanitize them as often as feasible.
Then we witnessed a sharp drop of Chinese passengers until safety briefings became more panic loaded than CNN specials.
And the virus kept showing here and there apparently without correlation to travel of potentially risky passengers.
Economy started to collapse, worldwide, panic went two octaves higher.
“No Sir, there’s no way I can allow you to spray our landing gear with non aviation-certified liquid of any kind.” Ask me how do I know…
And still not a single study to track the eventuality of a potentially unsuspected group of passengers that could go under all radars and spread the “good news”.
Another complot theory? Not at ll. Just Occam’s razor. Amongst all hypothesis, the simplest one is the best.
My wife flew back from Singapore via Seoul on Jan 14. Two days after she got home she developed all the symptoms of CV19 and was down for 14 days. She mentioned on the flight from Seoul to the US her flight attendant was coughing quite a bit. She flew with another female that worked for her company and she also had identical symptoms two days after she got back. They also were in hospitals in Singapore during their stay there. She flew Singapore Airlines to Seoul and Delta to KDET.
Neither she nor her employee have been able to get an antibody test yet but it will be interesting to see if the Wuhan was circulating at that point. In both cases, neither I nor her partner’s husband came down with it. I will say though, I was really careful about being around her and not touching things in the house that she touched or wiped them down with disinfectant wipes. At this point, the best thing for us would be for her to have had it and I was a fortunate asymptomatic carrier.
There are videos of Chinese people in stores, elevators, etc. touching laptops, cameras, buttons, etc, and in some cases spitting and wiping saliva on surfaces. What was the reason for that? When caught in the act, like that lady in a Walmart in California, she should have been apprehended and questioned.
The CCP should not be trusted about anything.
Go to China and walk (shuffle) through a crowded city street or a shopping area. Being about 8″ taller than just about everyone, you would be surprised at what happens around you, especially if you are Caucasian. It’s a different world. There is a reason the government had to literally seal the doors of apartments to keep people in during their lockdown. It’s like Crocodile Dundee in NYC, only a magnitudes worse.
My first visit to China was only a few years after Mao died and it was really different then. Crowds would form around us everywhere because of the novelty. I towered over 99% of the Chinese back then. Virtually all Chinese people were skinny and they only wore drab clothing.
Now there are fat Chinese, and many younger Chinese males are 6′ or taller.
dire warnings from 5th February 2020 in document
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.04.20020479v1.full.pdf
CC-BY-NC 4.0 International licenseIt is made available under a is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. (which was not certified by peer review) The copyright holder for this preprint this version posted February 5, 2020. .https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.04.20020479doi:
“Beyond the cases that have occurred in China, air passengers have spread 2019-nCoV across countries and continents within a short time period.28,29 In particular, a high volume of international airline travellers left Wuhan for hundreds of destination cities across the world during the two weeks prior to the travel restriction implemented in the city. Substantial preparedness efforts at destination cities should be taken to prevent further international seeding and transmission, otherwise the local establishment of epidemics, and even a pandemic, might become inevitable. “
And didn’t Trump ban flights from China at the end of January?
No, he didn’t ban flights, he barred non-U.S. citizens from traveling from China, but there were 11 exceptions, and Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan were not included. U.S. citizens and permanent residents could still travel from China but were subject to screening and possible 14-day quarantine. Some flights were immediately suspended, but others continued for weeks, at the discretion of the airlines.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Jan. 21 announced the first travel-related case of novel coronavirus in the United States, 10 days later Trump introduced these weak travel restrictions.
Yes, Loydo – the new progressive talking point is that the ban they opposed as racist wasn’t strong enough – even your talking points are fascist.
Loydo:
Sounds like “weak travel restrictions” is a criticism. Odd coming from you, given immediately thereafter a plethora of progressive experts cried out with weeping and gnashing of teeth. I assume you were right there with them:
https://tinyurl.com/ulrjqs7
From Politico, where 1) every proper action is to pander to the murderous Chinese leadership, and 2) label as racist any action contrary to 1):
https://tinyurl.com/vfvka4v
Here’s a Chinese national reporter from The Observer describing her experience of hearing about the ban for the first time, wherein, “[r]ealizing the emergency, I sprang out of bed, booked the earliest air ticket to the U.S. I could find online departing in four hours, woke up my parents, panic-packed my suitcase like a refugee and rushed to the airport.”
Nothing in her article describes her efforts to first determine whether or not she was sick. Nay rather:
Aww . . . her might lose her’s job and her’s puppy might not find a new home, thus d*mn those Americans who might get sick. She was careful to cite the WHO on how the ban is racist against Asians (emphasis added):
https://tinyurl.com/yb3obfez
Was this Chinese national, like Trump, morally weak, irresponsible, and racist, putting herself and her dog before potentially thousands of others who could become infected from her selfishness?
What about the statements from progressives directly subsequent to Trump’s “weak” travel restrictions? Were they morons in hindsight? And the WHO as well?
And you, since the restrictions were “weak,” don’t you qualify as a racist xenophobic Trump supporter now for (apparently) supporting stronger ones?
And finally, it’s May, we need to talk. You’re prognostication regarding Trump has failed to come true. I conclude you are NOT a prophet of YHWH. 🙂
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/12/inside-climate-news-will-covid-19-deaths-lead-skeptics-to-rethink-climate-change/#comment-2965788
Did you use IHME or a climate model for your prediction?
Good comment!
Thanks Jeff!
Couldn’t have done it without you, buddy!
London has some Biosafety Level 4 facilties. See Pirbright Foot and Mouth 2007 for some UK history.
Most of the cases in NY trace to Italy apparently. Banning flights from China was not enough.
Michael J,
The NY cases are from China by way of Italy. Many Chinese firms and nationals are located in Italy to make clothing and accessories with “Made in Italy” on the label. The Italian outbreak was exacerbated by an aged population and high levels of urban pollution, but the source was China!
There were direct flights between Wuhan and Italy, which is why Italy had it early and bad as they did not know what it was.
“Mad Science means not having to worry about-What is the worst possible outcome.?” this my friends is Mad Science with intent..
I’m glad that Australia has finally been publicly implicated in this disaster because I’ve been trying to tell everybody who will listen for some time now that this is not a nationalist problem but a globalist and internationalist one.
I’ve wanted to counter Lord CMBs “China virus” characterisation on a number of occasions but finally I can say what I really think; that this is the Anglo-American China virus!
More importantly, if you read the paper carefully, the first chimeric bat coronavirus was actually created in a level three bio safety lab outside* of China. ;-(
*Most probably North Carolina but I’d also accept any Commonwealth nation for first place honours too!
As I understand it, parts of the world and the USA particularly, have been hit by the largest influenza death rate since the Spanish Flu – over 100,000 in the US – double the worst seasons. It appears there may be more than one virus involved at the moment and almost nobody is talking about it.
This makes the lockdown in the Southern Hemisphere, as we go into the winter season, extremely dangerous. Flu will spread rapidly through households in lockdown unlike typical corona viruses which are mostly spread through direct contact rather than simply being breathed in. And simple respiration is enough to spread influenza according recent studies.
not so much more than one virus,
variant strains of Covid already found
but yeah normal flu n colds also around
a LOT less of them reported as the same distance n obsessive handcleaning etc is lowering spread.
if? we can test n track enough asymptomatic spreaders and then keep OS inbound travel banned in Aus theres no reason for round 2 I can see.
there have been reports that having the usual useless fluvax is upping the risk of getting covid by a hefty 30+% though
settle for PREVNAR the NON phenol pneumonia vax and hope;-)
dont forget the other offshored biolevel 4 labs run by america all over the place
georgias one thats had recent items about its work.
stuff done there they cant” by law do “at home’
aussie geelong labs took credit for Hendra vax
but there was quite a bit of work done by ft Detrick when you really dig into it.
and a usa lab/label on the very expensive( not so nice) vax
Yes, I lived not more than a km from Hendra when that very small but lethal outbreak occurred. It worried me and I’d thought of it when travelling up to Cape York with my brother. We had both laughed about the public health posters that warned the locals about the dangers of eating fruit bats, not because of the very sensible warnings but the oddity of the peculiar taste for such exotic fare! 😉
I don’t believe in the whole wet market thing. They have been doing that for thousands of years. What is new, was the Wuhan CDC Lab – housing live animals – 280 metres from the seafood market across the road from the Tesla charging station in front of the Hotel that…….. ;-(
there are 3 5G phone masts in Wuhan. I bet there is one near the wet market. Proof positive that 5G signals carry a virus created by Huawei and spread round the world.
This has at least as much veracity as the other unsubstantiated comments here!!!!!!!
What was unsubstantiated? That the Wuhan CDC* housed live animals, that it was located 280 metres from the seafood market, that it was across the road from one of Wuhan’s Tianya 1911 Hotels that accommodated US government personnel attending the Wuhan Military World Games in October 2019?
I’m not sure what 5G has to do with chimeric viruses but whatever floats your boat! And I’m a multi-generational Australian by the way. I live in Ross Tasmania and my identity and contact details are publicly knowledge, who are you!
*Not the same “lab” as the often touted Wuhan Virology Lab.
“responded in the worse (sic) possible way by arresting whistleblowers and attempting to conceal the outbreak,”
So is there a ‘worse way’ at least for the whistleblowers that the authorities in Bejing can think of?
It might have been released accidentally but the CCP propaganda machine weaponised the release of the virus across the globe.
Create fear in the heart of your enemies and look at what havoc they have created.
The only bright point I can see is that the hopelessness of most of our political leaders has become blatantly apparent, and their thinking skills have been outsourced to the totalitarian public servants that actually want to run (ruin) our countries.
The Plot Thickens… From [ https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/02/covid-19-thread-5-2-2020-study-finds-correlation-between-vitamin-d-levels-and-deaths/ ]
“Other studies of Vitamin D suggest the same:
“The Possible Role of Vitamin D in Suppressing Cytokine Storm and Associated Mortality in COVID-19 Patients
https://www.medrxiv.org/con…
Vitamin D Insufficiency is Prevalent in Severe COVID-19
https://www.medrxiv.org/con…
Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go…
COVID-19 Deaths Are Being Linked to Vitamin D Deficiency. Here’s What That Means
https://www.sciencealert.co…3 •Reply•Share ›”
In other words, telling Floridians not to lie on the beach to produce Vitamin D, and restricting elderly to their homes instead of camping and park experiences is a death sentence. And an expensive drug is recommended over less expensive approaches…
To me, all part of an unconscious pattern.
Regarding that expensive drug
https://twitter.com/MarkHoofnagle/status/1256242036015063042
yup another useless antiviral like tamiflu
seems less side effects
but at 1200$ or so for an infusion its expensive junk
Thanks for the links.
This really is amazing. There is unbelievable good evidence, proof that correcting the Vitamin D deficiency of 42% of the population is the solution to Covid.
I had not checked the prevalence of Vitamin D deficiency in the US population .
Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nutres.2010.12.001Get rights and content
42% of the US population has been shown to be Vitamin D deficient. With elderly and dark skin people the most Vitamin D deficient.
82% of the US dark skin (‘black’) citizens are Vitamin D deficient.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/health/black-americans-hiv-coronavirus-blake/index.html
Dark skin people in the US and in London had roughly three times as many deaths per covid 1000 cases as white skin people.
Or another way to state the same fact. We could reduce the number of dark skin people covid deaths by a factor of three with Vitamin D supplements.
COVID-19 Thread 5/2/2020 (Study Finds Correlation Between (William: Population Vitamin D levels) Vitamin D Levels and Deaths)
Results: The mean level of vitamin D (average 56mmol/L, STDEV 10.61) in each country was strongly associated with the number of cases/1M (mean 295.95, STDEV 298.73 p=0.004, respectively with the mortality/1M (mean 5.96, STDEV 15.13, p < 0.00001).
Discussion: Vitamin D levels are severely low in the aging population especially in Spain, Italy and Switzerland. This is also the most vulnerable group of population for COVID-19.
Conclusions: We believe, that we can advise Vitamin D supplementation to protect against SARS-CoV2 infection.
https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/02/covid-19-thread-5-2-2020-study-finds-correlation-between-vitamin-d-levels-and-deaths/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1
William: The recommended vitamin D supplement that has been confirmed by extensive testing (this is link to the US researcher who was responsible for the oversite of all Vitamin D research from 1000 UI to 10,000 UI, there were zero health problems observed due to the supplements, in that range) to be absolutely safe and close to sufficient to reach body optimum is 4000 UI/day
This chart shows the average Vitamin D level and the test level which reduced cancer by more than 70%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1yrmNIqc
Results of a Prostate Cancer/Vitamin D Trial: Effectiveness Safety Recommendations
Bruce H Hollis
And there is the trivial issue of correcting the Zinc deficiency and magnesium deficiency….
A single low dose supplement Calcium 333 mg, Magnesium, 167 mg, and Zinc 17 mg is a safe low dosage and is sufficient to correct the deficiencies. Zinc has been shown to stop the replication of covid as it makes the ACE-2 molecule which the covid must connect to slightly positive which in vitro tests have show stops covid from replicating.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150323142839.htm
Zinc deficiency linked to immune system response, particularly in older adults
“Get” should be removed from the end of the first link.
Are there any agencies recommending vitamin D or other supplements to help our immune systems?
you incorrectly assume china did nothing to prevent the spread of the virus.
Yet you proclaim support for gun carrying protesters outside and inside government buildings requesting the US lock down be raised (despite recommendations not to do this).
Banners like
“Its my job to keep my family heathy and safe! Not the Govs!
“Set us free from tyranny”
It is strange that these people do not realise how a virus spreads. To protect a family when no one else is practicing safe distancing etc. you would have to completely isolate your family.
I did not say China did nothing. But there is no doubt if China had not tried to censor information about the outbreak many lives would have been saved.
Compare what happened in China to the way Nigeria contained an Ebola outbreak in 2014.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2014/nigeria-ends-ebola/en/
Nigeria did everything right, they went public very quickly, they were disciplined, they contained the threat.
If China had acted with similar courage the world would have praised their prompt response, rather than condemning China for their incompetence and mistakes.
ebola is a known virus and its transmission and lethality is known.
Covid 19 is a new virus. it could have been a simple flu killing the infirm oldies. To have called pandemic at the start of January would have been wrong.
a time line – Just where would an earlier report of novel flue made a difference in US???
Nothing happened in US until mid march when an emergency was declared on 21st January!!!
December 31st 2019
Chinese authorities confirmed they were treating dozens of cases of pneumonia of an unknown cause. Days laters researchers in China identified a new virus that had infected dozens of people. There was no evidence that the virus was spread by humans.
China contacts the WHO and informs them of ‘cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology’ detected in Wuhan
5 January 2020
WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
21 January 2020
The delegation observed and discussed active surveillance processes, temperature screening at Wuhan Tianhe airport, laboratory facilities, infection prevention and control measures at Zhongnan hospital and its associated fever clinics, and the deployment of a test kit to detect the virus.
The delegation also discussed public communication efforts and China’s plan to expand the case definition for the novel coronavirus, which will build a clearer picture of the spectrum of severity of the virus. At the end of the visit, the Chinese Government released the primers and probes used in the test kit for the novel coronavirus to help other countries detect it. Chinese experts also shared a range of protocols that will be used in developing international guidelines, including case definitions, clinical management protocols and infection control.
Public Health Emergency of International Concern declared
LOCK DOWN in china
January 23rd 2020
Wuhan (population over 11 million) is cut off by the Chinese authorities. Planes and trains leaving the city are cancelled, and buses, subways and ferries within the city are suspended. 17 people had died at this point and 570 infected in Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, South Korea and the US.
Figures compiled by the Chinese Railway Administration showed that approximately 100,000 people had already departed from Wuhan Train Station by the deadline.
Construction begins in Wuhan for a specialist emergency hospital which opened on 3rd February
Trump::Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”
Trump::Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”
Trump::Feb. 24 (tweet): “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Trump::Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
Trump::March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
Trump::March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”
March 19th 2020
For the first time, China reports zero local infections, a milestone in the fight against the pandemic. Experts said the country would need to see at least 14 consecutive days without new infections for the outbreak to be considered over. 34 new cases were confirmed among people who had arrived in China from elsewhere.
March 19-24th 2020
United States lockdowns.
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You’re a known virus ghalfrunt. We’re immune to listening to your nonsense.
Looks like time to stop feeding it …
😉
why attack me? attack the message, I will listen
ghalfrunt:
Sure, I’ll take you up on that. What say you re:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/03/were-dangerous-wuhan-coronavirus-lab-experiments-part-funded-by-western-governments/#comment-2984865
gfront, the only message you have ever had have been cherry picked, out of context quotes and whines about how Trump is evil and the source of everything bad that happens.
sycomputing May 4, 2020 at 9:19 am
your ref:
sycomputing May 3, 2020 at 8:03 am
ghalfrunt:
If this were a story about climate change it would have been laughed off the pages of wuwt.
On the other hand, since it isn’t a story about climate change but uses just the same methodology as proof of theory, why are you criticizing Eric for posting an article you’re bound to accept as true? I mean, if you’re not going to contradict yourself anyway.
You DO believe the article don’t you?
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The IPCC talk about probabilities and snack those probabilities with research. This article does not back the possibilities. So not the same
ghalfrunt:
Regardless of snacking on the back of possibilities . . . come now nice try ghalfrunt, but I see you buddy. You didn’t mention anything about the IPCC or backing “probabilities with research” in your original criticism of Eric up thread did you?
Up thread you said:
“could, would, I think,Daily Telegraph claims” and “There you go again ‘claims’ Next time a climate scientist uses the word ‘probable’ when predicting the future I would how yo accept is probable claims!!”
Your only criteria for your criticism of Eric was his willingness to accept the same weasel words as evidence for his claims when it suits him that you accept as evidence for yours when it suits you. Now you tell me how that isn’t exactly the same logic?
Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just trying to help you for the future. You gotta watch this stuff, lest it bite you again in your intellectual backside area like it did this time.
I should know.
sycomputing May 4, 2020 at 6:20 pm
Your only criteria for your criticism of Eric was his willingness to accept the same weasel words as evidence for his claims when it suits him that you accept as evidence for yours when it suits you. Now you tell me how that isn’t exactly the same logic?
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I’m sorry I must have missed multiple research papers backing the woulds, coulds, “I think” that Worrall used. Perhaps you could point out the peer reviewed papers, the non echo chamber reports of viral escape?
Oh stop. You’re the one who equated the two, ghalfrunt:
And then you did it again:
You didn’t need any “peer-reviewed” studies for your criticism then, only now that you’ve hoisted with your own petard.
I see you ghalfrunt. You don’t fool me. Take care buddy. 🙂
sycomputing May 5, 2020 at 7:35 am
Perhaps you could point out the peer reviewed papers . . .
Oh stop. You’re the one who equated the two, ghalfrunt:
You didn’t need any “peer-reviewed” studies for your criticism then, only now that you’ve hoisted with your own petard.
I see you ghalfrunt. You don’t fool me. Take care buddy.
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What!!!!!
The ipcc uses peer reviewed research. They are the ones you complain about when they state 98% probable/possible etc.
Worrall uses the words without backup in a manner that deflects circus off trump and onto anyone else. There is no data to suggest the Wuhan virus research place leaked/released the virus, NONE. Of course trump says he has super secret proof that the virus came from the research place. His intelligence say no this is not the case.
I seem to remember a few years ago something about wmd in Syria which had incontrovertible super secret proof of their existence leading to the destruction of Syria (and many civilian deaths greatly exceeding those caused by “chemical ali” bombing a village)
Eric, can you provide a link with biographical info? I’d like to promote this article to certain people who don’t have a clue to who you are. As a matter of fact, I couldn’t find info that connects any biog. info on you that relates to WUWT.
you incorrectly assume china did nothing to prevent the spread of the virus.
Chinese authorities shut down air travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. At the same time, they allowed air travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. That was not “doing nothing”, that was an active decision on their part.
Then they raised hell when President Trump did stop travel from Wuhan. Again, that was an active decision.
gfront has a long history of only repeating those parts of a story that support what he wants us to believe.
“At the same time, they allowed air travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world. “
They stopped all regular flights on Jan 23. Countries like Australia were allowed to send special flights to evacuate their citizens. Australia in fact then sent its evacuees to a remote ocean island for quarantine. It is ridiculous that people are now saying that China concealed the dangers.
Are you sure that’s true?
From Business Insider (emphasis added):
https://tinyurl.com/ychc9a3y
The above article links to the evidence below from the same publication, citing the AP (emphasis added):
https://tinyurl.com/y77xfzyg
From The Atlantic(emphasis added):
https://tinyurl.com/vkmlmuc
With regard to Dr. Li Wenliang, from the Washington Post:
https://tinyurl.com/rrtsjtf
Dr. Wenliang shared his suspicions on December 30:
https://tinyurl.com/vof434d
And if common sense weren’t enough even without the above, what really seems to make your theory rather than the contrary view subject to ridicule is this admonishment from China’s own highest court, taken from the WaPo article above (emphasis added):
https://tinyurl.com/rrtsjtf
What say you then, is China’s highest court also “ridiculous” for acknowledging that evidence of the seriousness of the outbreak was hidden from the world?
Please don’t insult my intelligence by arguing that this admonishment from the court indicates the Wuhan police acted on their own without the knowledge or authority of the CPC, rather than it being the case that the court’s admonishment is a plausible deniability tactic against the potential outcry of their own citizenry, not to mention the outcry of the world against the mass death and economic destruction this debacle has caused.
Talk about flaming non-sequitors.
What does pointing out that China allowed the virus to spread to the rest of the world without warning us have to do with people being allowed to walk around armed?
Once again, gfront demands that only those experts that he agrees with be listened to.
What a mess
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/83df4320-53b9-411a-8103-20e513ac1068
Seems odd that they are touting a drug designed for Ebola now for coronavirus……..https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszkwj and quite a few people asking questions how it got authorized – nine experts on NIH COVID-19 Panel recommending treatment have significant financial ties to Gilead Sciences – the company producing it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/01/government-researchers-changed-metric-measure-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-during-clinical-trial/
“…..Were Dangerous Wuhan Coronavirus Lab Experiments Part Funded by Western Governments?…..”
Er… ALL experiments with self-replicating processes are inherently dangerous, without exception. As an aside, this refers to work on computer viruses as well as biological ones.
This is why, if you do this, you do it in conditions of strong physical security, paying particular attention to the medium in which the process replicates. Thus, for instance, you will find tight physical and logical security around a computer virus lab, with the facility to destroy media inside the enclosed area, since media can be brought in, but never out.
Interestingly, consideration is also given to the development of dangerous new techniques for computer viruses which would be hard or impossible to protect against by computer virus researchers. Some of these techniques have also ‘escaped’ from research into real life – the Word Macro series of viruses is one example….
The lies about flights from China are thoroughly refuted here :
Did the Chinese Government Deliberately Export Covid-19 to the Rest of the World?
https://danielabell.com/2020/04/21/did-the-chinese-government-deliberately-export-covid-19-to-the-rest-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR3jGO8BQRNKQgXBNkkTVYJEpwAV38Mw2tV_fQohJl5Q6jZjxbcxEwj_nAs
Niall Ferguson, British, now American, author of Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World. put out the flights lie, refuted in detail point for point by Daniel Bell, and later acknowledged by Ferguson.
Have a look at Scientific American Apr 27 :
How China’s ‘Bat Woman’ Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus
Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
The National Republican Senatorial Committee’s “Corona Big Book: Main Messages” drafted by O’Donnell Associates,
presents within its 57 pages, a “timeline” and then several pages of “documentation,” which allege, among other things, that the novel coronavirus may have been produced by the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). At least several of the documentation section’s allegations are not true.
Zhengli clearly warns of further viral threats out there and is continuing research.
Brett O’Donnell worked for Pompeo, and Sen. Cotton. The lead narrative’s legs all trot to the State Dept… and likely to Britain’s Integrity Initiative, again a “charity”…..
The article you cite as proof creates a straw man argument and deliberately misquotes Ferguson. If you are intelligent enough to recognize this and use the article anyway, then you are dishonest. So, you are either dishonest or unintelligent, possibly both.
https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1256921092297379840
There is merit in study of the ways that Stephen McIntyre has, for over a decade, analysed contentious issues logically, dispassionately and clearly. He is a top role model for those blogging on issues related to science, in particular. Learn from him.
Geoff S
Splitting straws with a Scissor is, I imagine quite a trick.
Still, Daniel A Bell is devastatingly thorough. Sure, he prefers to designate Ferguson’s ramblings as “sloppy”. Very diplomatic, considering what a tsunami of lies it regurgitated.
If it can’t be blamed on Britain, then it didn’t happen.
It seems to me that reading many articles on the covid 19 virus that
1 .it originated in a particular species of bat(horseshoe bats) found in isolated caves some 600km from Wuhan.They are not native to the Wuhan area.Civets or similar mammals may have been in intermediate host,leading to an outbreak known as’ Sars, in southern China’, which killed about 800 people world wide in 2002-2003(,a relatively small number )
2 Zheng Li went to find bats in the caves in GuangXi province ,& after some time found an isolated cave near Shitou that had bats that had viruses similar to the sars virus .
3 She took some of these bats to her lab in Wuhan for research & or modification ,for whatever reason.These were not a local species to the Wuhan area
4 A serious out break occurred of a Sars like disease now known as Covid 2.19 inDec2019/Jan 2020 which is acknowledged to have started in the Wuhan /Hubei area ,&was the starting point of this outbreak , & eventually it spread world wide with devastating results .
The conclusion seems to me that the removal of these bats from their native environment(,where they apparently caused little known problems ),& the subsequent investigation s, tests, experiments & or modifications in the Wuhan labs. was a direct cause or result of the current outbreak ,whether accidental or not .
Another video on the subject that may disappear .
Wuhan corona is like Benghazi all over again. Globalist killed Qaddafi with no competent containment plan effectively allowing a Petri dish of terrorists to develop. They eventually get loose and kill people outside their cell. The government tries to cover it up with an implausible story about the protest of a video. Problem is, half the people want to believe the story anyway and try to reelect the same government, pantsuit and all. Nationalities aside, humans will do really stupid stuff repeatedly. What’s next?
Horrible irony : USAID program PREDICT gave $200 million over 2009 – 09/2019 and just months before COVID it cut off funding. Compare that to the $2 trillion now allocated to the pandemic, (of course most of it going to WallStreet bailouts).
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-coronavirus-slipped-past-disease-detectives/
Looks like WallStreet is worth more than public health…
Wall Street runs the economy and government. Has done for many years.
Americans will hopefully stand up for themselves one day and go back to the US Treasury printing the dollar. Bear in mind that the last person to do that was Kennedy.
Dangerous Wuhan Coronavirus Lab Experiments Part Funded by Western Governments
It is said: “If you go to bed with the devil, you will wake up in hell”
“The research was at least partly funded by the USA and Australia; although the USA withdrew funding in 2014, funding apparently resumed in 2017.” Question: is this the Fauci “grant” of 3.6 million dollars despite the US moratorium on such research?
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Disease outbreak news
Novel Coronavirus – China
Disease outbreak news : Update
12 January 2020
On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National Health Commission about the outbreak.
WHO is reassured of the quality of the ongoing investigations and the response measures implemented in Wuhan, and the commitment to share information regularly.
The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan. The market was closed on 1 January 2020. At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission. The Chinese authorities continue their work of intensive surveillance and follow up measures, as well as further epidemiological investigations.
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission.
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That was the important part of my message , and I say bravo Donald Trump to stop paying for those “scientifics”
Usually, infection among healthcare workers is the trigger. Ordinarily they do not protect themselves from patients. If you go see a doctor because you think you might have the flu or a cold, your doctor does not put on PPE just to examine you.
But once healthcare workers become infected, then the alarm bells sound and it is time for healthcare workers to wear PPE and to begin to take measures to stop the spread if it looks like the virus or bacteria could cause serious health issues.
Why are the US and Australia funding any research in China? Don’t we have researchers here who need funding? Why are we funding our enemy?
Because they are far away and the stupid americans believed the dangerous virus once unleashed will never reach the US terrotory.
The US is funding a huge network of biolabs working on dangerous specimen on othe continents.
on the other continents.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-military-bio-labs-in-ukraine-production-of-bio-weapons-and-disease-causing-agents/5605307
https://steemit.com/sott/@ljubicasilic/us-bio-labs-around-the-world-and-pentagon-biological-weapons
The hatred and paranoia is strong in this one.
If you have info refuting the globalresearch.ca article then please provide it.
If you check the indenting, you will see that I wasn’t replying to you.
More made up nonsense scapegoating China divert attention from the US administration criminal bungling in handing the US outbreak of COVID-19. Poor Trump and all those administrations around the world that utterly FAILED in handling this crisis after being warm for months about it. Here is the real story behind that “leaked” document. It’s a desperate election strategy.
https://youtu.be/Ex2tTBQ8KHQ
Mark S.
Your dislike of Trump appears to have made you gullible to obvious Chinese propaganda. Why would “all those administrations around the world” such as Canadian, German, Australian, Japanese want to use Republican talking points. Why would Democrats agree to partial compliance. It makes no sense. People with your reasoning power is why massive frauds like AWG do not immediately fail.
When Trump stopped travel between the US and China, people like MarkS here were screaming about Trump being a racist and over reacting.
Now they blame him for not acting sooner.
Trump didn’t stop travel between the US and China. He restricted it to US citizens only. 40,000 of them came to the US following the ban, with no quarantine requirements.
Yes, Nick you’re the second hack that’s tried to introduce that quibble. And remember the progressive race-squawking over that.
You see THIS is a talking point. The fact is Trump blocked travel to China.
“The fact is Trump blocked travel to China.”
And the fact is that 271 flights arrived after the “block”, carrying 40,000 people, who were subject to no quarantine.
Note how Nick’s only response is to quibble over a matter that is not at all germane to the topic at hand.
” not at all germane to the topic at hand”
So how was your introducing “When Trump stopped travel…” germane to the topic at hand? I just pointed out that it didn’t happen.
What code or status allows the President to impose quarantine on Americans returning from abroad?
You must have not listened to the video. Otherwise, it all makes sense. What does not make sense is the virus got out of a lab in China as virtually the entire scientific community involved in virus research and epidemics agrees. BTW, there is no politically motivated disputes in these real sciences unlike the pseudo-science of AWG.
Enjoy this video as well 😉
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/china-state-media-propaganda-video-mock-us-coronavirus/12204836
Note that there isn’t even a vague attempt to actually prove anything, just spouting of Chinese propaganda.
To the extent that Trump, and the rest of the non-Chinese world were slow to react was mostly due to the lies that China was telling.
The Coronavirus is only a problem for Decadent Western Imperialist and Capitalist Pigs:
http://protocriteria.com/index.php/2020/05/03/the-unusual-distribution-of-covid-19-10/
http://protocriteria.com/index.php/2020/05/03/western-european-coronavirus-statistics-2/
We know for sure the NIH (U.S. National Institute of Health) funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology where the virus probably came from. See here:
https://andymaypetrophysicist.com/2020/04/25/nih-payments-to-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI&feature=youtu.be
This video is from December 10, 2019
This guy discovered 1500 Viruses and has been “quarantined” several times.
We know, this virus can be asymptomatic and yet contagious.
He works for Wuhan CDC just 300 meters away from the See Food Market in Wuhan.
His studies were funded by the U.S.: $3,000,000
Circumstantial evidence indeed. While I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government to do what they are accused of, this case seems weaker than the one against Richard Jewel, and look how that turned out. But just like then, this will be played out in the court of public opinion by a media that knows almost nothing but is sure quick to spin it into a firestorm. Again, I’m not a Chinese apologist, far from it, but what we really know about the origin of this virus is very thin. Most of what is being reported is guesses and speculation. I will remain skeptical on this issue until something closer to “proof” is presented.
And Pompeo seems gunge-ho for war .
This is really dangerous, and Pres. Trump has been boxed in. Russiagate failed, so Pompeo’s friends are going for a Corona-gate.
It’s an election year after all. Could be co-incidence, but General Flynn is effectively exonerated, as Trump tweeted, the death knell for Russia-gate.
The entire “deep apparatus” is now out in the open. And all narrative legs trot straightaway to London. Oops!
Pompeo looks overweight, he would be vulnerable if gets infected, needs to take lot of care. Pompeo is the same age as Boris Johnson, and BoJo just about got away with it.
China should be charged with Criminal Negligence causing death. That is what the facts say.
China should be responsible for some of the world’s covid costs.
Coronavirus Critics ask why China allowed flights out of Hubei during outbreak
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/04/09/Coronavirus-Critics-ask-why-China-allowed-flights-out-of-Hubei-during-outbreak
China’s response is to our charge that they are guilty of criminal negligence…
… is to attack the President of the United States using a propaganda video with a ‘cute’ cartoon. The China propaganda video, …
China also threaten Australia with economy sanction if Australia supported the US and the UK demands for the start of a criminal investigation.
China is acting like a criminal.
China states officially that the covid virus is not contagious among humans. WHO covers for China.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/22/who-covers-for-china-amid-virus-outbreak-not-contagious-among-humans
China using their money to bribe corrupt US Harvard Chemistry chairment to steal US technology
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/01/29/feds-harvard-chemistry-chair-lied-about-taking-millions-from-china/
China is issues a lego style propaganda video mocking the President of the United States and bragging that their response to the deadly virus was so much better….
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/05/03/china-lego-style-propaganda-video-mocks-u-s-coronavirus-response/
Conforms with Betteridge’s law of headlines.
Canada also is said to have contributed C$800.000 to the Wuhan research efforts.
Don’t you know that only US money causes bad things to happen.
“The following is the abstract of the 2015 study which includes Dr. Shi, head of the Wuhan Virology Institute. The main body of the study includes the quote “the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens“.”
It does include Dr Shi (as the fourteenth author). But the other authors are Western, mostly American, and the work was done mainly in N Carolina. This first para of the methods gives an idea of the environment of the work:
“Wild-type SARS-CoV (Urbani), mouse-adapted SARS-CoV (MA15) and chimeric SARS-like CoVs were cultured on Vero E6 cells (obtained from United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases), grown in Dulbecco’s modified Eagle’s medium (DMEM) (Gibco, CA) and 5% fetal clone serum (FCS) (Hyclone, South Logan, UT) along with antibiotic/antimycotic (Gibco, Carlsbad, CA). “
The simple explanation of why the US, Australia and other countries funded research in Wuhan is that Chinese nationals (or residents or naturalized citizens), working in or with the funding agencies, influenced the funding.
It is the same mechanism that drives the preferential recruitment and placement of students and employees.
Just an observation. The same occurs with other groups.
Here is the original non-peer reviewed paper by Indian scientists that started the bioweapon or man-made claims. After all of the criticisms in the comments, the paper was withdrawn. The paper is titled:
Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
From the authors:
This is a preliminary study. Considering the grave situation, it was shared in BioRxiv as soon as possible to have creative discussion on the fast evolution of SARS-like corona viruses. It was not our intention to feed into the conspiracy theories and no such claims are made here. While we appreciate the criticisms and comments provided by scientific colleagues at BioRxiv forum and elsewhere, the story has been differently interpreted and shared by social media and news platforms. We have positively received all criticisms and comments. To avoid further misinterpretation and confusions world-over, we have decided to withdraw the current version of the preprint and will get back with a revised version after reanalysis, addressing the comments and concerns. Thank you to all who contributed in this open-review process.
: Authors of the Manuscript
And here is an example of a criticism and there were many that were similar:
Song Yang • 3 months ago
In the supplemental Fig S2, the author mentioned that “the Bat-SARS Like CoV in the last row shows that insert 1 and 4 is very unique to Wuhan 2019-nCoV”. In fact, the Bat-SARS Like CoV, discovered in 2013, contains all the four insertions. Insertion 2 and 3 of 2019-nCoV are identical to Bat-SARS Like CoV. Insertion 1 involves two synonymous and one Thr-Ile mutation. Insertion 4 contains one synonymous mutation and a 12-bp insertion. Therefore, the two viruses have very high sequence similarity, and are likely evolutionarily related, naturally. Indeed, the four identified insertions are the result of the pair-wise comparison of Wuhan 2019-nCoV and 2013 SARS virus (Fig 1), and are an artifact when comparing only two viruses. The ‘insertions’ regions also appear in other coronavirus, as indicated in the multiple comparison in Fig.S1, possibly functionally important.
Wuhan and USAMID have been collaborating on viruses since early 1980 (starting with hanta viruses).
Ralph Baric the father of Corona Virus at UNC and Shi Zhengli and her team from Wuhan have collaborated on several studies . After 2015 when they set up the BSL4 lab that was designed by the French her work moved to Wuhan
Research has also done on bat viruses at the US Kazakhstan biolab and also at Ft Detrick which was closed for several months last year due to safety violations.
Funding for gain of function studies was halted in 2014 by Obama and lifted in 2017 by Trump. Funding has been by NIAID, NIH, DARPA, USAMID on GOF studies and synthetic creations. HHS works with BARDA to fund Big Pharma to work on vaccines for the enhanced/newly created viruses. The argument being you need to create these viruses to defend against them. Lol. Sounds like a racket
In any event, since the Special Virus Program began at the NCI in 1964 many new viruses began popping up or spreading to US . Hanta, EBV, HIV, Hep C , HHV 6-8, Ebola, Zika, ASV, HTLV, SARS, H5N1 (a synthetic one being funded that will spread easier) , XMRV, West Nile Virus, etc
And now of course COVID-19 causing virus.
You need to create these viruses to defend against them. That is precisely what you need to do. If a vaccine is the only hope, you need to get ahead of the curve. There is talk that we might have a vaccine by January. That would not be remotely possible but for all of the work that has been done on making chimeras of potential viruses. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. The problem of course is making a safe enough lab. But it is a bit like arguing we can’t make a safe enough nuclear power plant so lets not do it.
What if we don’t want a vaccine?
Critics have argued that creation of Gain of Function, chimeric viruses is not necessary and very risky to boot in order to discover vaccines. Furthermore, Most “natural” virus infections have to date not been transmissible… the exception was the extraordinary circumstances of 1918.
At the same time bats have shown remarkable abilities to be virus resistant. So it makes sense to study them.
A national discussion is necessary in the US on how to proceed. But the overriding fact is correct as PFT states: the US and China have been research partners in this risky research. (See my post below and the NEWSWEEK expose of how Fauci and the NIH outsourced GoF research to Wuhan to evade US bans on this research)
We can’t let unscrupulous politicians and science High Priests stampede us into disastrous hostilities between the US and China. Both sides need to ‘fess up and reform.
*IF* this escaped from a lab, there is no telling how long it had been spreading before it got noticed. There is also no telling if the lab would have been aware of the escape until long after it was too late. We don’t even know if the lab was aware of this specific virus (and likely never will be).
You would need to be just Plain Stupid to be playing with a dangerous virus and encouraging it to mix with other viruses (the chimera mentioned) without having first introduced a weakness into it. This all sounds like the perfect plot for a Michel Crichton book – where people are arrogant and blind to the various but very obvious risks.
I can accept it escaped from the lab by accident directly from exposure to an infected bat. I am having real difficulty believing they were playing with this virus, encouraging a more deadly form to evolve. But then…why has this virus never emerged before? Are there no people living near the bats? Are the caves too hard to reach? Someone (not the Chinese government) should go test the villages nearest the bats to see if they are immune – before the villagers all mysteriously disappear!
This has happened before many times. H1N1 outbreaks came from birds. Various swine flu outbreaks have been amongst the worst flu epidemics. Its possible that this is all a coincidence, and the virus really did evolve independently.
But the circumstantial evidence makes compelling reading, its a hell of a coincidence that the first cases of a horrible new bat virus occurred 280 yards from a lab which was deliberately creating horrible new bat viruses, whose safety protocols had been criticised more than once.
“You would need to be just Plain Stupid to be playing with a dangerous virus and encouraging it to mix with other viruses (the chimera mentioned) without having first introduced a weakness into it.”
It could be the Calmette or BCG vaccine – thus finding a hole in especially the US vaccination program – but also in several big european countries.
Especially the migrated population in many of the big european cities, who most of them has migrated later than the 80ies, seems to be hid hard – and they were most probably never vaccinated post immigration.
From the article: “The 15-page research document, obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, lays the foundation for the case of negligence being mounted against China.”
No, this was not negligence. Spreading the Wuhan virus all over the world was a deliberate attack on the world. This is First Degree Murder.
Last week NEWSWEEK blew the whole BSL-4 story sky high.
To put a fine line under this: NIH (Francis Collins) and NIAID (Fauci) outsourced “Chimeric, GoF” research to the Wuhan BSL-4, effectively pulling an end run around the US ban on this research between 2014-2017. The grant continued through 2019.
https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
You can review the grant and the funding history.
Take a look at the NIH grant administered by Fauci’s NIAD starting in 2014-2019
https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=9819304&icde=49711216
The grant is issued to the EcoAlliance, which operates in the US and overseas, at Wuhan. EcoAlliance specializes in Bat SARS viral research. Note the grant states:
“We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”
Furthermore, the NEWSWEEK demolishes the flimsy cover story from “Nature Medicine” that claims the CS2 virus is 100%, pure and natural. The “Nature Medicine” research published on 17 March is a farrago of spit-ball conjectures based on the Wuhan Wet Market fairy tale, and grossly misleading straw man arguments about bio-engineering techniques.
A cheeky lay man’s takedown of the Nature Medicine propaganda written by a virologist is found here.
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/
If anyone want to know what work took place at the Wuhan BSL-4 lab, they can subpoena all the grant reports at NIH- NIAID; interview Collins, Fauci and staff scientists, and do the same at EcoAlliance.
Would these experiments still have occurred had the US and France not helped with the funding of them?
Were there other countries that were willing to help? Would China have continued on it’s own?
If yes, then the implied claim that the US is responsible for the release of the virus is without merit.
Funding? What if the West refused the transfer of any biotechnology?
A French hospital which has retested old samples from pneumonia patients discovered that it treated a man who had Covid-19 as early as Dec. 27, nearly a month before the French government confirmed its first cases.
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Yves Cohen, head of resuscitation at the Avicenne and Jean Verdier hospitals in the northern suburbs of Paris, told French media that scientists had retested samples from 24 patients treated in December and January who tested negative for the flu.
“Of the 24, we had one who was positive for Covid-19 on Dec. 27,”
Wuhan December 31st – document – Viral pneumonia believed NO OBVIOUS PERSON TO PERSON
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on the current situation of pneumonia in our city
Issuing authority: Wuhan City health committee | Published: 2019-12-31 13:38:05 | Hits: 74 631 | Font Size: Tai Zhong Small
Recently, some medical institutions found that multiple pneumonia cases received were related to South China Seafood City. After receiving the report, the Municipal Health and Health Commission immediately carried out a case search and retrospective investigation in the city’s medical and health institutions related to South China Seafood City. Twenty-seven cases have been found , of which seven are severely ill, and the remaining cases are stable and controllable. Two cases are getting better and are scheduled to be discharged in the near future. The clinical manifestations of the case were mainly fever, a few patients had difficulty breathing, and chest radiographs showed infiltrative lesions of both lungs. At present, all cases have been treated in isolation, follow-up investigations and medical observations of close contacts are in progress, and hygienic investigations and environmental hygiene treatment of South China Seafood City are in progress.
Wuhan organized the consultation of clinical medicine, epidemiology, and virology experts in Tongji Hospital, Provincial Center for Disease Control, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan Infectious Disease Hospital, and Wuhan Center for Disease Control, etc. , Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory analysis and other aspects of the situation that the above cases are viral pneumonia. The investigation so far has found no obvious person-to-person transmission, and no medical personnel have been infected. At present, the detection of pathogens and the investigation of the cause of infection are in progress.
Viral pneumonia is more common in winter and spring, and can be sporadic or outbreaks. The main clinical manifestations are fever, body aches, a small number of breathing difficulties, and lung infiltration. Viral pneumonia is related to the virulence of the virus, the route of infection, and the age and immune status of the host. The viruses that cause viral pneumonia are commonly known as influenza viruses, and others are parainfluenza virus, cytomegalovirus, adenovirus, rhinovirus, coronavirus, etc. The diagnosis depends on etiological examination, including virus isolation, serological examination, and detection of viral antigens and nucleic acids. The disease can be prevented and controlled by preventing indoor air circulation, avoiding public places where there is no air circulation and places where people are concentrated, and wearing masks when going out. Symptomatic treatment is the main clinical practice, requiring bed rest. If you have the above symptoms, especially if your fever persists, you should go to a medical institution in time.
December 31, 2019