Guest “You can’t fix stupid” by David Middleton
Left-wing activists demand Democrats exclude nuclear and carbon capture from climate bill
by Abby Smith, Energy and Environment Reporter | | May 12, 2021Left-wing climate activists are stepping up their opposition to policies from top Democrats promoting nuclear energy and carbon capture, signaling a tough debate as the Biden administration advances legislation to curb power sector emissions.
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Jean Su, energy justice program director with the Center for Biological Diversity, said there’s a prevailing narrative that 100% renewable energy isn’t feasible because there isn’t the political will to figure out how to get there.
“Nobody knows exactly how to get there yet because nobody is trying,” Su said. “We need to actually try, and how we try is by putting on very stern deadlines as close as possible to now.”
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They say policies that promote technologies such as nuclear energy and carbon capture, or allow natural gas to continue operating, harm the health of minority and poorer regions the most, as they’ll continue to breathe air polluted by power plant smokestacks or live near toxic mining sites.
“When you want to get to the heart of racism and inequalities, the tentacles in our energy system are very deep,” Su said. “And if you want to actually address that in our energy system, that means you have to start at the core of it, which is stopping these fossil fuel plants altogether.”
Washington Examiner
“Nobody knows exactly how to get there yet because nobody is trying. We need to actually try, and how we try is by putting on very stern deadlines as close as possible to now.”
Ms. Su mustn’t have watched much Star Trek…
“They’ll continue to… live near toxic mining sites…”
As opposed to living and dying *in* toxic mining sites?
The lawsuit alleges that “the young children mining Defendants’ cobalt are not merely being forced to work full-time, extremely dangerous mining jobs at the expense their educations and futures; they are being regularly maimed and killed by tunnel collapses and other known hazards common to cobalt mining in the DRC.” Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Dell and Tesla are alleged to have been aiding and abetting the deaths and serious injuries of the Claimant’s children working in cobalt mines in the supply chain of the tech corporations.
Forbes
“When you want to get to the heart of racism and inequalities, the tentacles in our energy system are very deep. And if you want to actually address that in our energy system, that means you have to start at the core of it, which is stopping these fossil fuel plants altogether.”
Jean Su just earned a Billy Madison Lifetime Achievement Award with a Ron White Cluster Frack.
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At least Uncle Joe has a plan post-Yucca Mtn.—oh wait.
Resident Joe’s plan is the Green New Deal and it’s wonderful promises energy security … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJGTOH3Ygg
Hate to Cliffie Clavin you, but when your vid has spello’s in its narrative, I’m outa there.
Thanks Cliff — much appreciated.
Silly to summarily exclude either nuc or CCUS. If the folks in Nevada ever accept Yucca Mountain* and all of the waste now being stored in the back 40 of virtually every nuc power facility ever licensed in the CONUS is successfully transported there and properly entombed, call me back. And any CCUS facility built and operated without tax giveaways from the rest of us should be rewarded with proceeds from an adequate carbon tax, otherwise rebated equitably, regularly, totally, (i.e. no tobacco tax honeypotting**) to all US residents.
Deal….?
** Admittedly difficult, but the Alaska rebate seems to work well enough. TAF 1990 any more…
Storing nuclear waste is a bad idea. When removed from light water moderated reactors, fuel elements retain 95% of their original energy value. They should not be stored, they should be recycled.
Ok by me, but in the end, there will ALWAYS be waste that must be stored. Delay is fine. Deny is not….
You are correct; France recycles its nuclear waste and burns the plutonium in mixed-oxide fuel. The remaining nuclides are predominantly short to moderate half-life elements.
But the point everybody seems to miss in the “thousands of generations” argument is the assumption that everything else remains static. It will not. The fear underlying all of this is that radiation is a (weak) carcinogen. Given the medical and biotechnology progress just of the last century, do you really believe that we won’t understand how to prevent or treat cancer in the next 3 or 4 centuries (unless we wipe ourselves out in a war, in which case reactor waste will be the least of our problems)?
>thousands of generations…
Facts are stubborn things. In 600 years, reactor waste is no more radioactive than the rocks that were originally mined for the uranium. In 1200 years, it’s no more radioactive than a typical granite countertop. These numbers are smaller for the residue from reprocessing used fuel.
There are buildings in Europe and the Middle East that are older than that and are still in use.
“Facts are stubborn things. In 600 years, reactor waste is no more radioactive than the rocks that were originally mined for the uranium.”
Well, no. Since there will certainly be plutonium in the mix, whatever makes it to Yucca Mountain must still must be stored and stewarded, for those “tens of thousands of generations”. But I’ll throw you a bone, and call that period hyperbolic. Merely thousands of generations.
“Given the 24,000-year half-life of plutonium, scientists aim to design containment mechanisms and choose sites that will remain safe and isolated for 100,000 years.”
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/looking-trash-can-nuclear-waste-management-united-states/
Bigger pic, you continue to ignore the realities on the ground. The Nevadans don’t want it. The Native Americans don’t want it. The feds will never ram it down their collective throats. And I wouldn’t want it, with the inevitable requirement of tens of thousands of years of keeping it out of bounds, and safe from natural and unforeseen man made events, as well as it being a natural terrorist target.
Per “Rocky”, “You should’a planned ahead….”.
Europeans and just few American pilgrims lived through the late 1600s the bottom of the dark & cold LIA, with Maunder Minimum in the bargain.
Now may be it is time for the modern Americans to find out what all that was about. We Europeans will be in with you all the way.
You can’t beat something with nothing.
conservative today support at least 3 planks of communist manifesto
voting population sees no real problem with fiat money, engaging in massive deficit spending, policing the entire world, providing health care, providing social security and micro-managing every business decision
It’s lack of leadership.
“Nobody knows exactly how to get there yet because nobody is trying,” Su said. “We need to actually try, and how we try is by putting on very stern deadlines as close as possible to now.”
So you have no clue how to accomplish your desired result, and the way to actually accomplish it is to want it really hard. And force everybody to want it as much as you do. Okay. I didn’t realize it was so simple.
The left always ends up eating their leaders. Biden won’t even be a morsel.
breathe air polluted by power plant smokestacks or live near toxic mining sites.
Hmmm…Toxic Mining Sites…like Cobalt and Cadmium and Lithium and Neodymium…news flash activists, no matter where your energy supply comes from, mining will still be necessary and will produce toxic leftovers.
Oh, and “Smokestacks” haven’t spewed “Smoke” in decades…just water vapor and CO2
Oh Bryan, CO2 is just as toxic as smoke, don’t you know? Get with the program!
Hope I didn’t need a /sarc
Not hardly
We all know CO2 is toxic…..at 100%. But at today’s levels? The plants and life is thriving
Yes she obviously has no idea about the huge increase in mining for minerals and rare earth materials that net zero will require.
Google tried it and it didn’t work.
There’s that. 🙂
Personally, I’d go for the magic carpet solution first as it would fulfill many of our transportation needs.
Nah… I don’t need a magic carpet. I was promised that I’ll soon have a flying car in my garage.
Teleporter. Wish it. Want it. Do it.
“MayDay, MayDay, this is Magic Carpet 777, moths in the left weave, request immediate assistance.”
“Pull up!”
“No it’s alright, I got it!”
“EJECT!!”
“No I got…” splat.
If you try, really, really hard, to believe in faries, Tinkerbell is still children’s fiction.
Funny that.
But is it Politically Correct?
Su, it is easy: Lead by example. Right now. Don’t use any energy that might not be 100% renewable.
Considering that the Sun will eventually die, and the wind will eventually stop blowing. There is no such thing as “renewables”.
You’re absolutely right Rog, her comments were appalling. But I would stop short of calling her a cannibal.
I’m sure that’s what you meant right?
I have always been fascinated how the left actually believes they get to decide who’s the leader of other groups.
It’s almost as if they have come to believe their own fantasies.
The Left spends so much of their time believing in lies and fantasies, they can’t even remember where they put the truth when it’s needed.
It appears the “leader” of the Republicans is not only a total moron and pathological liar, but a traitor to both his party, and more importantly, his country. Sad.
Got any evidence to back that up, Bruce?
Of course you don’t. You’re just blowing smoke.
Who needs evidence when you’ve got full blown TDS
Liz didn’t read the Republican Party very well. She incorrectly thought that most Republicans looked at things the way she does. She found out differently.
I think this is Liz’ attempt to takeover the Never Trumper movement. It’s not really a movement, it is a few disgruntled “Republicans in name only”. That’s who Liz wants to lead. She is welcome to it. A loser leading a bunch of other losers.
I predict Liz won’t get very far with her attacks on Trump, which is what this is all about. She doesn’t like him personally, so that’s what’s important to her. It doesn’t matter that Trump is a conservative’s dream as far as policy is concerned. That is not the first priority of Liz.
I hear she acquired several new political challengers to her Wyoming seat in the last few days. Trump will probably show up and give a campaign speech for her opponent. That will be fun.
Trump’s going to start holding public rallies again starting next month. That will be fun, too.
She’s a Deep State neocon like her dad, wanting endless wars to fund the defense industrial complex.
My big problem with Liz Cheney is her actions are helping the radical Democrats to destroy the nation because both the Democrats and Cheney are distorting the truth about Trump and are leading this nation down the Road to Ruin, as a result. They are all on the same delusional, dangerous TDS channel.
Any help a Republican gives to the radical Democrats at this time is an attack on the personal freedoms of everyone, because the radical Democrats want to take all those freedoms away.
“deadlines as close as possible to now.”
Do it now, start Su, be the sacrificial lamb, set the tone, walk the walk, spearhead, but please do not forget to try harder everyday
Absolutely time for Mr. Su to sever her connection to Grid Sourced energy and create ALL she needs from personal Wind and Solar.
AND to stop using all of the other 6000+ products derived from PetroChemicals
“Create all the energy she needs just from personal Wind…
Well, that’s at least lower in carbon than coal.
Beans
The Center for Biological Diversity (based in San Fran) has a long and ‘distinguished’ history of being WRONG on everything. They sued to force the US to declare the north American Pika endangered because of climate change. They lost, abjectly. Wrote that one up in essay No Bodies in ebook Blowing Smoke.
They are also big on ocean acidification, and bought the Netarts Bay Whiskey Creek ouster Hatchery academic misconduct by PMEL hook, line, and sinker. Wrote that goof up in essay Shell Games.
Not content to always get biology wrong, now they get the grid wrong. Renewables are intermittent and lack grid inertia. No matter how hard the Center hopes, wishes, and tries, their renewables ‘dream’ is physically impossible.
The Center is another reason California is a climate crash test dummy.
I’ve a not so sneaky suspicion the string pullers know this,Biden is having his strings pulled,boris too, but they also know, hoping the masses don’t, but some do, the cold is coming which they know too, the conclusion I think ,well you know.
At least 50% of The Center for Biological Diversity directors should be non-human species. Or are they already?
They are but don’t know it because they are not self-aware.
The term “Spasmodic energy” came up in a comment at Jo Nova and links to this site
http://www.spasmodicenergy.com/Pages/Capacity.aspx
Crashing the West’s national electric grids is a feature, not a bug, in the watermelon’s plans. Never has been about climate or science.
Never has a liberal proposed to help the poor by helping them to stop being poor. The solution is always to make them more comfortable in their poverty.
Thanks. I’ll use that, if you don’t mind.
They ALWAYS have a way of making liberals richer by creating a bureaucracy to employ themselves as 50% overhead for the monies sent through the rent seeking process.
Ever notice how almost all “non-profits” pay their employees bigley and very little of the funds reach the actual “needy”? Also notice that the US has never required “non-profit tax exempt organizations to advertise in their fundraising literature the actual % of funds going to the claimed purpose, re. the Clinton Crime Foundation as an example.
And the most effective way to make them more comfortable, or rather, less uncomfortable, Hoyt, is to extend the benefits of poverty to as many as possible. It’s called ‘being inclusive’.
“Never has a liberal proposed to help the poor by helping them to stop being poor. The solution is always …” to create even more poor people to join them in solidarity and consolation!
Clearly, Mr. Su has a very powerful empirical argument. He should demonstrate it for the edification of all.
Mr. Su, ‘needs to actually try, and how he tries is by putting on very stern deadlines [on his lifestyle] as close as possible to now.’
Mr. Su must have a very clear idea about how much energy per person the deep science of energy justice prescribes.
Let Mr. Su put a stern deadline on himself as close as possible to now, to live according to his energy justice prescriptions. Demonstrate for us all the living beneficence of your utopia, Mr. Su.
There’s no over or under on that bet. Only a constant never.
Mr. Su is living proof of the hazards of a society so prosperous and strong that mindless such people pay no price for espousing idiocy.
Mr Su needs to realize that even the Great minds at GOOGLE tried and failed to prove concept. The best you will accomplish is to Outsource your Carbon Energy Generation
Hell Yeah! Let’s outsource all production to Canada. They won’t need the Keystone pipeline or one to the coast. They can line the border with oil fired generators and send all the electricity south to the US.
That way the politicians can stand on each side of the border, point at the other side, and say, “If it wasn’t for them we could have less CO2” and never have to do anything real.
Mr. Su is a She. Jean Su, Energy Justice Program Director, Staff Attorney, oversees and develops the Energy Justice Program’s campaigns, dedicated to hastening the clean, democratic energy future so urgently needed to protect wildlife, communities and the climate.
That observation was old school ‘wrong’. (Sarc).
In San fran, there are MANY more gender identifying ‘pronouns‘ thN just two. Maybe ‘she’ is a he identifying as ‘she’ to win collegiate women’s sports medals. Or just some sort of it…dunno.
Personally I’m still awaiting the first TransRacial person to come forward and declare themselves along with the remainder of the alphabet LGBTQRST
Already happened. Think Rachel Dolezol (may be spelled wrong, but way to uninterested to look it up) among many others.
Admit it, she thinks like a teen age girl.
You’re right, Ms. Su.
Mr. Su was actually quite effectively sarcastic… 😎
Probably a Chinese intelligence service sleeper agent.
So SU me
By Ms. Su’s “logic”, we can all fly if we flap our arms fast enough – we just haven’t tried hard enough to this point to succeed. There are some countries in the developing world where one can test this hypothesis when the locals push you off a tall building. Lucky for her, she lives here, where has moved seamlessly through some of our best schools and a series of green gigs, no doubt mostly paid for by the largess of long dead industrialists.
I think “Mr. Su” isn’t a Mr… Or was that intentional? 😉
You never can tell these days. Might be a hir, an ey, or a fae. Who knows.
Relieve the “burden”? Think of Gaia!
“… Nobody knows exactly how to get there yet because nobody is trying” Su said. “
We I need to actually try …”.Yep, Chris. If nobody is trying, then that means Su isn’t trying. How can anybody in good conscience ask others to do what they won’t do?
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Oh wait……………. good conscience…. I think I may have found the problem.
“No body has found unicorns because no one is looking hard enough.” “Absence of proof of unicorns is not proof of absence of unicorns.”
“We don’t need to have reliable energy sources to have reliable energy.”
10 points if you can spot the logical flaws in the above.
Every rule has an exception except this rule.
“The Stupid, It Burns”
That is your clue, you need to understand it.
“You can’t fix stupid”
Have you tried napalm? The clue was given above.
Rud Istvan has written recently that he believed as many of us did, that a sound refutation of some of the errors in AGW theory and practice would help to unravel this mess. As we all found out, the AGW cabal is immune to logic and reason. AGW “Science” is now totally in the political and ideological realms. What to do?
Mockery.
Mock them, humiliate them, laugh at them. It is the one thing they have no defense against and they can not stand it.
I agree, Tony. Ridicule is the appropriate way forward.
Here’s a custom T-shirt idea along those lines. The spiked ends are XO symbols.
Everyone who talks like Su should immediately and forever be taken off the grid.
Bob, Just FYI, It seems as if Jean Su is also known as Jean Lindsay-Fu, Jean White, Jean E Lindsaysu, Jean E Lindsay, Jean E Lindsay-Su, SuJean Lindsay, L Jean, Jean Lindsay Fu, J E Lindsay, and lists “she” and “her” as her acceptable pronouns. The Center for Biological Diversity says that it is a 501(c)(3) charitable corporation in DC. The center has much text and pictures on their web site about programs dealing with the environment. Jean is supposedly a staff attorney, and has several job titles at the center.
Jean may also be the same person who once worked as an attorney at Hotai motors, a Chinese builder of automobiles for Chinese sales under Japanese auto brand names.
I can’t tell if the center, or anyone at it, is registered as a foreign lobbyist.
“Bob, Just FYI, It seems as if Jean Su is also known as Jean Lindsay-Fu, Jean White, Jean E Lindsaysu, Jean E Lindsay, Jean E Lindsay-Su, SuJean Lindsay, L Jean, Jean Lindsay Fu, J E Lindsay, and lists “she” and “her” as her acceptable pronouns.”
Holly Molly!
That sounds like a credit card theif, or a spy.
Why would someone need so many aliases? And go to the trouble of listing them? Or maybe you are just a good detective? 🙂
“Detective?” Not at all. Just results from a non-gooble search algorithm. Off hand, maybe one of those alternates is true, only based on the form of the name, and on how many Asian cultures list surname first. But the pronoun thing and most of the rest come from the center website. I dumped most social media long ago, but if I was still in, say, LinkedIn, I could easily have found more and more reliable information.
I have found out that 501(c)(3) can’t make campaign contributions or engage in some kinds of lobbying, but with a broad charter there are probably few restrictions on the center’s lobbying activities.
My purpose was to point out that often what are branded as leftists or liberals are demonstrably, obviously, agents speaking and acting for a foreign commercial interest and an economic rival. It isn’t Q, conspiracy theory, or paranoia if it is self-announced and in plain sight. Try this trick: just do one open source search on three random spokesperson-writer-“journalists” this week, then see if your attitude changes on whatever they’ve written.
Why in the world would we want to capture carbon ?
I have certainly have heard of neutron capture. Perhaps it is the same.
I wonder what would happen if you were to bombard Uranium or Plutonium with carbon nuclei?
Perhaps Mr. Su would find he had solved his own energy problem.
Tony, ‘slow neutron’ large capture radius is key to the Widom/Larsen explanation of LENR, falsely named cold fusion. Alas, the energy input to produce ‘heavy electrons’ then captured by protons to produce ‘slow neutrons’ (W/L theory is just reverse beta decay) is experimently about 2, and never reached 4. Per ITER, at least 7 is a technical minimum for practical fusion energy production. Explained in the Recognition chapter of The Arts of Truth, and in essay Going Nuclear in Blowing Smoke. Been there, done that.
Agree Derg. Even if Carbon Dioxide could be captured and stored, even if if extra Carbon Dioxide contributes to some of the warming, even if there is some real warming, why would we want it to stop?
Why would we want to go back to a time when the greatest fear was starvation from crop failures during years without summers? Why would we want to empty cities because backbreaking labor by 98% of the population was needed to harvest what could be grown? Why would we want to fear freezing in the dark?
I, for one, prefer civilization to starvation, anarchy, and 40 year life spans.
We’ll capture us some carbon, then put it to work feeding plants.
Bored with Pokemons?
Good question, Derg!
Aren’t free-range carbon supposed to happier and healthier?
Especially when there are plants that do it quite well, and provide food, firewood, and other such benefits. Win-win!
I wonder how they propose to produce all the steel required for their Green New Deal? Wind or Solar power? Oh, hang on, they both require tons of steel! Chicken or egg?
There you go, applying logic rather than feelings. GND Buzz killer. Waaa!
You missed the Su’s point.
First you need to accept & agree that you will TRY to produce the steel that is needed to produce the steel that you can’t knowingly produce.
Second you need to set and accept STERN deadlines for your action (STERN being defined as punitive/monetary payments that will be directed towards the groups that are acting to facilitate our green transition). If you fail in achieving your goal(s), one of which is producing steel that will allow you to produce said steel before you can actually produce the steel, then you will be required to pay the agreed to price.
Third, keep trying until you have given all of your stuff & money to Su’s groups.
No need to wonder how it is intended to work.
And if you refuse to pay ultimately the people with 9uns arrive on your doorstep.
And if you refuse to accompany them they draw them.
You have to make steel and silicon for solar PV cells BUT you must do it without Coal Mining
JoHo,
How can you be SO silly!?
The answer is obvious; dragons!
Just a few dragons can smelt all the steel we need. Tell them to stop hanging about with the unicorns and get to work
Actually, Mr Taguchi, you somewhat mischaracterize TX. Its seat of government is Austin. Its main University (UT) is in Austin. I have been to Austin many times on business over the past two decades. Austin is deep blue. Austin chose to put all the wind turbines on the TX ERCOT grid. Austin chose not to have a capacity market, only a spot market. And Austin TX stupidity does burn.
Rud, everything you said there is true, but it doesn’t matter. Roger is a bot. It didn’t read the article. Just wrote some words that appeared in the article into a few of its pre-formatted pre-programmed phrases, and posted to this site. Usually, it follows its remarks with its own contradictions.
Never feed the bots.
A bot can be programmed to deny that it is a bot.
Roger, you aren’t half as smart as you think you are.
Think?
Newton: [Speaking about the robots] It doesn’t get sad, it doesn’t get happy,
Ben and Newton: [In unison] It just runs programs!
https://www.moviequotedb.com/movies/short-circuit/quote_21173.html
He proved that with his why waterways freeze from top effort.
If my memory serves right, based on previous posts, ze isn’t even25 % as smart as ze thinks ze is.
*elaborating…elaborating…elaborating….*
Rud,
Trying to help little Roger out of his delusional state is a waste of time and keystrokes! He’s trying to prove that his mother was wrong when she told him that stupid, rude and lazy is a bad life strategy!
He’s also seems intent on outdoing William Beebe as far as what depths he’s willing to sink to for his Communist lords and masters. He reminds me of many criminals who spend most of their life trying rob and steal their way to wealth and fortune, when a job and a little perseverance could have gotten them there much freer, faster and happier! Maybe that mental prison he lives in is satisfying somehow!
True. But its Friday night after dinner and two good (small) bourbons. Why not have a little ridicule fun per my new climate combat view.
Rud,
I agree wholeheartedly; both about the whiskey, and about ridiculing the ridiculous!
If you have a few more bourbons it could get close to a fair fight! Oh, wait, it’s Roger!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Austin doesn’t run Texas, but they have a lot of influence over how the grid is run in the area around Austin.
If you weren’t trying so hard to impress yourself, maybe you would stop making such a fool of yourself.
Saying that Austin is deep blue does not mean or even imply that Texas as a whole is blue.
Austin is definitely Blue. Any city near a big university is going to be leaning Blue, especially nowadays, whether they are in a Red State or a Blue State. I got to hear Willy Nelson play at a small night club in Austin many moons ago. I lived outside Austin for a while way back when.
Oklahoma is about as conservative as it gets, yet in Norman, Oklahoma, right next to Oklahoma University, the town council started a “defund the police” movement connected to people from the University. I think this is the only place this got any traction in Oklahoma.
The conservative people of Norman soon corrected this stupidiy by recalling the council members who were trying to defund the police and replacing them with sane people.
So even in conservative Oklahoma, we have our share of loony leftists.
A local editor of a newspaper described Governor Stitt’s signing of a law banning Critical Race Theory from being taught in Oklahoma schools, as an attempt to lie about history. He thinks if Oklahoma schools don’t teach racism to its student that means the schools are lying about history. The editor is a real leftist, racist idiot.
Stitt didn’t say you couldn’t teach history, he just says you can’t teach white kids to hate themselves and feel guilty for something they had nothing to do with, and you can’t teach minority kids that they are victims of white people and should therefore hate their white classmates. It sounds reasonable to me. Why would anyone advocate teaching racist hated to children?
Children are not born being racists. They have to be taught that. I agree with Governor Stitt, Oklahoma children should not be taught hatred and racism in our schools.
Their energy controllers are all liberal and many are not Texans
You forget to factor in how the federal regulations distorted the energy market, making things that can’t work not only profitable, but mandatory.
Then again, skipping over any fact that doesn’t support your latest delusions does seem to be your style.
To be deluded requires a human. Not a factor with a bot. Just brings up more arbitrarily generated fake argument with no reference to facts.
On the other hand, reverse of the Turing test implies that one might not be able to tell a damaged, contentious, or malevolent human from a bot. But since there’s no difference in how one should respond, better to assume a bot.
Texas made a mistake. Its back-up carbon-based electricity generation was dependent on ongoing electricity sources that proved vulnerable. A once in a century weather event exposed their error. Knowing Texans, though not being one myself, I’m confident they will fix this problem.
“Jean Su, energy justice program director with the Center for Biological Diversity”
Isn’t this obviously a work of fiction? Does anyone need to read further?
This is an outrage piece, all feelings, null data. It is supposed to fire up the base and outrage the opponents, nothing more.
Sample anything written, audio, or video about Greta Thunberg — same old deal. If you are not thinking, they are winning.
Outrage launch codes do get hacked though.
gringojay wins the thread!
Spending trillions of dollars on the nonsense is labeled, “not trying”.
How much would we have to spend before the activists are satisfied that we are “trying”.
Mark,
They won’t be happy until EVERYONE except them are dirt poor, living in a shack or a tent!
It seems the homeless enclaves in all the libtard cities are a model for them to build around! Do homeless, white veterans still enjoy their inequitable privilege? We should ask LeBron!
“Nobody knows exactly how to get there yet because nobody is trying,” Su said. “We need to actually try, and how we try is by putting on very stern deadlines as close as possible to now.”
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I keep wondering how many solar panels would be required to power the entire United States. I found this article from last March. The author, who states that he is a solar engineer, says that we would need about 7.86 billion of them….
https://ecotality.com/how-many-solar-panels-to-power-the-us/
“About 7.86 billion solar panels would be needed to power the U.S. on solar energy. This is derived from the fact that every year the U. S. consumes around 4000 billion kWh of electricity. This means an astounding consumption of 12,000 kWh per year per capita.”
Not surprisingly, he believes the climate alarmist narrative and states at the end of his article that we need to start switching to solar on a huge scale. So how long would it take to manufacture 7.86 billion solar panels? I suspect it would take a very long time, especially if current world production is only in the millions per year. And it would take a heck of a lot of coking coal and sand to do it.
I don’t know if this guy has is calculations right. If he is anywhere near correct, the whole idea of a solar powered U.S. seems insanely irrational to me, especially if those billions of panels need to be replaced every 20-25 years. Anyone out there interested in investing in a solar panel recycling facility?
I am absolutely amazed by how well all of this is being suppressed and ignored.
What would we do at night?
You are correct Derg, I forgot about the batteries.
Some of the power generated would necessarily be stored in a r-e-a-l-l-y big battery. One that would cover entire states, like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio. We just have to try hard enough to make it happen…
How about Battery Park on Manhattan?
Sleep???
We could use candles to light everything. They burn with no CO2 because they were around before the beginning of the industrial revolution.
Well, I dunno if his calculation is ‘right’, but almost for sure is wrong. Because even if it includes nighttime, there is no grid scale storage solution. A small intermittency problem. So an another imaginary number solution.
How much space would 7.86 billion solar panels take up?
Don’t the dark panel surfaces also absorb and re-radiate heat? Wouldn’t that make the planet warmer?
Many, many are trying because the winner of that race will either be an instant billionaire, hold claim to the most important invention in centuries, or control the world. Ask those chasing cold fusion why they continue.
Just look at that nearly constant nuclear and how quickly Gas ramped up to backfill for the Unreliables lack of production
Everything froze sooo……..
The bot’f fake argument wants humans to assume that gas goes directly from the wellhead to power plants attached to the grid. At least three in a false assumptions in just this sub-thread. A human might mess up, and accidentally submit an acknowledged fact in such a chain, but to really confuse things requires software.
Icing was a problem the week before the deep freeze.
The icing wasn’t the problem during the deep freeze. The winds died down over the entire Mid-Continent.
Stop eating lead paint chips before the brain damage becomes irreversible.
Bots don’t need to eat. If they did, lead would be good for them. Nothing factual comes from that source, automated or humanoid. Any response at all feeds the bot.
“Hey Middleton, upper state New York’s wind turbine farms are not impacted by weather. It’s because they are not cheap like Texans, and have the forethought to install de-icing systems.”
What does New York do when the wind doesn’t blow?
Except when it freezes.
Roger.
No. They just import more expensive Quebec Hydro power via the a dedicated HVDC interconnect. HydroQuebec just opens more dam sluice gates to more generators and sends more abundant water downstream as they send more power to New England. The high cost of the electricity is that there are significant losses in the AC-DC-AC conversions (that New York pays for) but the isolation protects Quebec’s own grid 60 Hz and voltage stability.
Texas does not have that interconnect option from a rapidly dispatchable power. ERCOT was speficially designed to isolate most Texans from the Feds bureaucrats by avoiding interstate connects.
I see where the Oklahoma legislature has started an inquiy into the causes of the power failures in Oklahoma during the big cold snap that happened in February.
We will get a better picture of what role Oklahoma’s windmills played in the rolling blackouts experienced in Oklahoma and elsewhere in the Southwest Power Pool.
At the time, Oklahoma had about 250 windmills in operation but when the cold weather hit, that number was reduced to 22 operating windmills.
So was it the cold, or the lack of wind that caused Oklahoma’s and the Southwest Power Pool’s windmill problems?
Again, we’re constantly told the Earth is on fire, why would anyone make plans for a deep freeze?
If Those People agree to give up all modern conveniences like their electronic toys and communications junk, and live the life my grandmothers’ families lived (or even earlier), I am perfectly willing to listen to these clowns. I could far more easily cook food in a Rumford fireplace with a side oven than any of them could ever even think about producing in their inept, and not real bright (but bizzare) lives. I can manage quite well, and they can empty the night jars (for when you needed to relieve yourself at night), clean up the ashes from the kitchen open fireplace (for cooking and baking) and put them in the bin with dirt and veg peelings (for the garden), and above all else, learn how to prepare the icehouse for storing ice cut from the local pond over the winter.
If they can do all that without hurting their pinkies, I will be surprised (only surprised, nothing else) but I still won’t pay much attention to anything they have to say.
Just do us all a favor and take their electronic gadgets away from them for a couple of weeks. See just how addicted they are to that crap.
Sara,
Why are you such a meeeanie! How can they possibly continue saving the world from destruction without their phones and devices!
Without a 24/7 connection to the Internet they wouldn’t know what to say or think!
So they are addicts, right??? (GIgglesnortttt!!) i am sorely tempted (sometimes) to return to a land line and leave the other stuff in a shoebox where it belongs. Really, I do find that I make very few phone calls and do mostly text messaging. And the phone camera? Cannot beat my Nikon equipment. Simply can’t.
Having to carry that obnoxious thing around, when I used to just pocket my little flip phone does make me wish for them there Good Old Days. So if that makes me a meanie, I will claim that “title” with pride and giggle while I’m at it.
Thank you!!!
Your very welcome!
Thank you for allowing me the euphoria of eliciting the highly prized gigglesnort!
I will mark this day on the calendar, and then reminisce about the sound of oldtime rotary phones for a while!
I just talked to two UT students who, without any questioning or leading, said how upset they were with the bureaucracy over covid. They still, as of last week, have shut the public entirely and students and faculty mostly out of libraries for over a year. Based on what I know so far it is all based on bad (none?) medical advice in a university run by an incompetent interim president. It would help most universities to severely trim their administrative staff, from the top down. Athletics seems mostly open.
Also I read somewhere that one root cause of the grid problem was ERCOTs failure to consider a long enough database to base their backup plan. Did not cover a realistic severe winter period, last one in 1989, had two that year, still not going away statistically. Of course the windmills died, cause only known for centuries. It is beyond stupid.
It really does amaze me how hard your average liberal works to avoid any contact with reality.
Roger, perhaps you aren’t from this planet and aren’t aware of the concept of federalism.
Because of that, the federal government has a lot of say in how states are run.
It was the EPA and other federal regulators that forced Texas to install so many wind turbines and solar panels.
During an unusually extreme cold snap, both wind and solar failed almost completely.
Gas almost managed to keep up, but because federal regulations forced the change in how the pumps that kept pressure in the pipelines up, they weren’t able to keep up with demand.
It wasn’t the Texans who were stupid, it was your beloved federal bureaucrats who created that problem.
Mark. It just runs programs. Anything that looks like a successful off topic argument is a RogBot win. It’s algorithms are adjusted accordingly. Don’t feed the Bot. Anything written back to the bot should look superficially like complete agreement or be quoted from Lewis Carrol, Jack Kerouac, or lyrics from the Doors. Making sense is a waste of your time. Better, don’t respond at all.
I guess she thinks a carbon tax will help the poor. Rich people don’t even notice, especially those posers who bought a subsidized electric luxury car or who paid to get solar panels on the roof of their huge houses and get paid for every kWh by the higher rates that the poor struggle with, like in Germany where so many have been cut-off from the grid because they can’t afford to subsidize the green crap.