California’s Zero Carbon Plans: Can Anybody Here Do Basic Arithmetic?

From The Manhattan Contrarian

Francis Menton

In California, as we all know, the inhabitants and their elected officials are far more sophisticated and virtuous than the rest of us rubes who inhabit the other parts of the country. This particularly goes for the arena of climate change, where California is leading the way to saving the planet by rapidly eliminating all of the carbon emissions coming from its electricity sector. California’s CO2 emissions are about 1% of the world annual total, and its electricity sector accounts for about 15% of those emissions, so we’re talking here about approximately 0.15% of world emissions — an amount whose elimination, as you can easily see, will rapidly transform the world’s climate.

In 2018 California enacted a law known as SB100, which mandates a 100% carbon-emissions-free electricity sector by 2045. But how to get from here to there? That question was finally answered in March of this year, when the California state agencies responsible for achieving the goal (California Energy Commission, California Public Utilities Commission, and California Air Resources Board) issued a Joint Agency Report and accompanying Summary Document setting forth their Plans. The Plans can be accessed via this link.

The Plans show that the California regulators have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Perhaps I am wrong. I invite all readers to check me and see if I am missing something. But I don’t think so. Either these people do not understand the basic units used for these calculations, or they cannot do basic arithmetic, or both. In their projection of incremental costs, I think they are off by a factor of about 1000 or more.

The answer given in the Plans as to how to get to a zero emissions electricity sector is to build lots and lots of solar and wind power facilities. Obviously, those don’t work all the time, so to start with you need to build far more capacity than your peak usage. California’s peak power usage is currently about 40 GW, and that is projected to increase substantially as more of the economy gets electrified, for example automobiles. So the Plans call for the addition of some 97.6 GW of solar capacity and 22.6 GW of wind capacity by 2045, on top of 26.5 GW of those two currently existing. (The Plans also call for the addition of 0.1 GW of geothermal capacity, but that is a rounding error.). With the additions, California would have a total of some 146.7 GW of wind and solar capacity, which may be around triple peak usage after you account for incremental electrification of the economy by 2045.

But then solar and wind power are “intermittent,” meaning that they don’t necessarily deliver the power when you need it. What are we going to do about providing power on completely calm nights, when solar and wind deliver nothing? The California regulators have an answer for that here in the Plans, which is “storage.” And how much storage will we need? They give a very specific figure: 52.8 GW. Perhaps that may seem to make sense at first blush. If peak usage is around 50 GW by 2045, then 52.8 GW of storage may be just about enough, with a very small margin, to deliver power at a sufficient rate to satisfy demand when the solar and wind are completely dead.

And how much will all this cost? We’ll be replacing all the current fossil fuel generation with wind and solar facilities, plus adding enough storage to make it all work. Here’s the calculation:

Modeling results indicate that achieving 100 percent clean electricity will increase the total annual electricity system costs by nearly $4.6 billion by 2045. This is 6 percent more than the cost under the state’s Renewables Portfolio Standard requirement of having at least 60 percent clean electricity by the end of 2030.

Basically, it’s chump change. After all, “modeling results” prove it.

But are we maybe missing something? Here’s a piece that I think is more than a little significant: All discussion in the Plans of storage needs and capacity is expressed in units of gigawatts (GW). Now, GW of capacity can certainly be relevant in this context, because assuring that power can be delivered from these massive batteries quickly enough to satisfy peak demand is definitely an important engineering challenge. But another whole subject is gigawatt hours (GWH); in other words, is the total amount of energy stored by the system sufficient to carry you through the longest possible period when demand will exceed supply? How about if there are entire seasons — like “winter” — when days are short, cloudiness is high, the wind has extended periods of calm, and batteries could be getting drawn down for weeks or even months on end? How much will you need in the way of GWH of storage capacity to support this entirely-wind-and-solar system; and how much will that cost?

There’s nothing about that subject that I can find in these Plans. Can you find it?

Back in 2018, a guy named Roger Andrews made just such a calculation, and published it at a website called Energy Matters. I covered the subject in a November 2018 post titled “How Much Do The Climate Crusaders Plan To Increase Your Costs Of Electricity? — Part III.” Mr. Andrews used actual daily production data from existing California wind and solar facilities to project how much of such facilities would be needed to satisfy California’s total annual demand over the course of a full year; and then further used the same data to calculate daily surpluses and deficits, to figure out how much battery capacity, in GWH, would be needed to get through the longest period of low production. The most important lesson from Andrews’s work — which emerges from simply looking at the data for actual daily production from existing wind and solar facilities — is that production from these facilities is not just intermittent within a day or a week, but is also highly seasonal, with higher production in the Spring and Fall, and lower production most notably in the winter.

Here is Andrews’s chart showing production from existing wind and solar facilities, normalized to satisfy all demand over the course of a year, plotted against actual demand on a daily basis:

California electricity supply and demand.png

The large Spring surpluses and Winter deficits leap out at the eye. Andrews then calculated — and this is purely a matter of simple arithmetic — daily surpluses and deficits to figure out how much battery capacity California would need to carry it through a full year. Here are his charts showing that work:

California energy storage balance wind:solar system.png

The bottom line is that it would take about 25,000 GWH of stored energy to get through the full year. The batteries would get to that level around August, and get drawn down all the way through March. And of course, that’s at a peak usage of about 40 GW. Ramp that up to more like 50 GW peak usage, and you’ll need more like 32,000 GWH of storage.

So how much will that cost? In my November 2018 post, the answer for California was “around $5 trillion.” Let’s see if we can get a more up-to-date figure. According to this post at Electrek on April 1, 2021, Apple — in an effort to demonstrate its extreme corporate climate virtue — plans to construct a gigantic battery project to enable its corporate headquarters to run on just solar power. From Apple’s press release:

“Apple is constructing one of the largest battery projects in the country, California Flats — an industry-leading, grid-scale energy storage project capable of storing 240 megawatt-hours of energy, enough to power over 7,000 homes for one day. This project supports the company’s 130-megawatt solar farm that provides all of its renewable energy in California, by storing excess energy generated during the day and deploying it when it is most needed.”

The batteries are being supplied by Tesla. Based on pricing data from Tesla, indicating cost of such batteries in the range of $200 – $300 per kilowatt hour, Electrek calculates Apple’s cost for the 240 MWH of battery capacity as about $50 million. So what then would be the cost for 32,000 gigawatt hours worth of these batteries? You do the math. If it helps, there are a million KWH in one GWH. I’m getting about $6.7 trillion.

$6.7 trillion is well more than double the annual GDP of California. Remember that the Plans of California’s joint agency task force said that the incremental costs of the all-wind-and-solar-plus-storage system were going to run around $4.6 billion. Could they really be off by a factor of well over 1000?

Meanwhile, California marches forward with big additions to its grid battery capacity, supposedly to balance the grid in light of additions of solar and wind power. But are the additions meaningful to that task, or remotely cost effective? Here is a post from RenewEconomy on April 5:

A recent report published by Bloomberg Green citing new BloombergNEF numbers revealed that the leading power analysts expect California to not only install 1.7GW worth of new battery storage in 2021, but another 1.4GW in 2022 followed by 1.2GW in 2023.

Always GW, never GWH. Trying to get any useful information out of these people is almost impossible. I think they are all completely innumerate. Out of 40 million people in California, isn’t there a single person who can even ask a relevant question?

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May 12, 2021 4:27 pm

Will I get the job if I can prove that everyone has eleven fingers.
Hold both hands up with fingers spread (awful word) starting at the right hand pinkie, count down to the thumb, closing each one as you go – 10, 9, 8, 7, 6
Now add the remaining five fingers – bingo! 11

May 12, 2021 4:49 pm

Well duh, Math is now racist.
Didn’t ya’ know? Get with the program(ming).

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 12, 2021 6:58 pm

Good to hear that. It has only been sexist for far too long. Oops. I may have transgressed the unwritten rule that it is sexist for men to point out that something is sexist. Such is life!

MarkW
Reply to  Forrest Gardener
May 12, 2021 7:35 pm

Would that count as mansplaining?

saveenergy
Reply to  MarkW
May 13, 2021 12:58 am

Only if you identify as a man !

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Forrest Gardener
May 13, 2021 5:32 am

Just identify as a black female and you’ll be OK.

John Dueker
May 12, 2021 5:15 pm

The same confusion of kW peak capacity and kWh cumulative power (GW, GWH) was rampant during the Texas February freeze when 98% of renewable capacity failed. As a post graduate EE I apologize for our terminology particularly the square root of -1. But just read the definitions and balance the damn units!

I know math is a touchy political subject but anyone with any knowledge of power knows the difference. I personally sent an explanation of it to the entire Wall Street Journal Editorial Board because they kept screwing it up during the Texas fiasco.

Regarding what battery technology to use. I always used lead acid for station batteries that don’t have frequent cycling. They can generate a lot of hydrogen if you’re doing a day night cycle which could be dealt with or not. These would be massive cells so I guess you could automate cell diagnostics and fluid levels and cell change outs but expensive.

Lithium doesn’t have the same quantity of gas generation unless overheated but I don’t know a way to put out an elemental lithium fire other than watch. Recall the degree the Texas tesla burned recently. So they’d need to be compartmentalized and isolated, not aware of any installation experience. I guess California wants to buy the first set of expensive dangerous lessons.

These aren’t D cells and if you build it it will fail in some way shape or form. So how do you manage the failures and still operate. How is the waste gas handled? And how is the huge amounts of toxic waste disposed of? (An earlier article discussed this. My take on the answer was we can’t recycle so we stack it up and wait.

garboard
May 12, 2021 5:24 pm

unlike lead acid batteries which are damaged by drawdowns below 50% or thereabouts , lithium can survive nearly total drawdown . but there is a limit to their resilience , I believe . I think they function better longer if not overly stressed . but they will start slowly degrading as soon as they start being used and will have a limited lifetime depending on how carefully they are charged and discharged . I live with lithium battery power on my boat and this is my understanding . I’m sure you can find them cheaper , but right now well made lithium batteries retail for about $10 / AH .

MarkW
Reply to  garboard
May 12, 2021 5:49 pm

In the real world, batteries are charged when there is available energy, and the rate of charging is based on how much energy is available, and they are discharged whenever the available power is insufficient, and the rate of discharge is based on the difference between available power and current demand.

I suppose you could manage your batteries by not charging all the batteries at the same time, and controlling how many batteries power was being drawn from in order to keep each battery at closer to it’s ideal charge and discharge rate. However while this kind of switching circuitry will help prolong the life of the batteries, it will also add a lot to the cost of the system.

B Clarke
Reply to  garboard
May 13, 2021 2:58 am

I used li batteries yesterday = a angle grinder and a screwdriver/ drill , the draw on the angle grinder was large cutting through concrete it took 3 charges to do the job ( 3hrs) the battery was hot when it lost its charge , the battery charger would not charge the battery till it had cooled down, the opposite is also true when cold the battery charger will not charge the battery till the batt gets to room temp. So in my example you need a optimum temperature to charge li batteries.

Rob Robertson
May 12, 2021 5:48 pm

As soon as I got halfway through the reference to storage being in Gw I was already thinking ‘huh? Surely they mean to measure it is Gwh, surely? They can’t be that dumb can they?’

Now I want to find a brick wall to bang my head against. It’s not dumbness at work, it’s disdain. They know their figures are bollocks but they know too that if they flutter some meaningless figures in front of the masses all will be well.

Whether in Communist California or my home state of Communist Victoria, everything is insane now.

May 12, 2021 6:03 pm

The futility of national or regional climate heroism in the context of the need to cut GLOBAL emissions.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2021/02/23/renewable-energy-statistics/

Izaak Walton
May 12, 2021 6:46 pm

Perhaps the author should read the report before making comments like this one:

$6.7 trillion is well more than double the annual GDP of California. Remember that the Plans of California’s joint agency task force said that the incremental costs of the all-wind-and-solar-plus-storage system were going to run around $4.6 billion. Could they really be off by a factor of well over 1000?

Reading the report it clearly states that the $4.6 billion is the additional annual cost involved from going a 60% renewable target to a 100% renewable target. This means that the total cost per year is about $50 billion (see figure 4 on page 11 of the report). Hence the total cost would be on the order of a couple of trillion dollars spread out over 30 years in agreement with the estimate given by the post’s author.

Hence it is not the case that the plan’s author are off by a factor of 1000 but rather that the Manhattan contrarian can’t read a simple report.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 13, 2021 4:20 am

You seem to have neglected inflation in your calculations. The real cost will inflate as time passes.

Has California reached 60% renewables yet?

Coach Springer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 13, 2021 7:05 am

California did manage to obfuscate the costs pretty well then, didn’t they?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 14, 2021 6:00 pm

You can mostly get to a 60% renewables solution without breaking the bank for storage, although it will still be a much more expensive system than one based on readily available fossil fuels because of the costs of backup and wastage and the high cost of renewables in the first place per useful MWh. But once you start trying to go beyond that, costs escalate very rapidly indeed. You have to install great multiples of capacity to try to fill in those annoying <i>Dunkelfalute</i> gaps in supply – with most of their output being curtailed. Or you can start down the storage route, which is where this post starts. The best you can argue is that there may be cheaper types of storage than batteries.

May 12, 2021 7:12 pm

Everybody loves to bash California, but it is a wonderful state with sun and surf and lifestyle. It is very expensive to live there “normally”, but the homeless and poor seem to be cared for more comfortably than in most states. The government is financially stable compared to most democratic run states and has a considerable surplus in its coffers this year.

I raise my eyebrow with California policies which are most bizarre in my mind. But until they go into a complete meltdown (as predicted by most on WUWT), I say let them continue with their social experiment. They get what they vote for. It will be interesting to see if they trade in Newsom for Jenner. Jenner probably wouldn’t change much of their loony climate policy, though.

Good luck to the long run of California!!

Reply to  RelPerm
May 12, 2021 11:37 pm

No, we don’t get what we vote for, we get what they (the uninformed voters) vote for.

May 12, 2021 8:06 pm

Francis Menton wrote:
The Plans show that the California regulators have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Perhaps I am wrong. I invite all readers to check me and see if I am missing something. But I don’t think so. Either these people do not understand the basic units used for these calculations, or they cannot do basic arithmetic, or both. In their projection of incremental costs, I think they are off by a factor of about 1000 or more.

Sir – you are correct. None of this intermittent green energy makes any sense within the grid. We published that conclusion in 2002. Nothing has changed. See #2 below:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/05/10/the-performance-of-uk-weather-dependent-renewables-2002-2020/#comment-3243629

Our 2002 predictions – #1 and 2 were easy – slam dunks. #3 was difficult – also correct.
Anyone who supported grid-connected wind and solar generation was delusional, or on the take. It’s all a mandate-and-subsidy game that makes no sense at all.
 
In 2002, co-authors Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton U, Ottawa and Allan MacRae, P.Eng. (now retired), McGill, Queens, U of Alberta, published:
 
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
 
Allan MacRae published in the Calgary Herald on September 1, 2002, based on communication with Dr Tim Patterson:
 
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
MacRae updated his global cooling prediction in 2013, based on cold events that occurred starting circa 2008 near the end of Solar Cycle 23:
 
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
May 12, 2021 8:25 pm

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/16/stacking-concrete-blocks-is-a-surprisingly-efficient-way-to-store-energy/#comment-2520849

Here’s an even better solution:

1. Build your wind power system.
2. Build your back-up system consisting of 100% equivalent capacity in gas turbine generators.
3. Using high explosives, blow your wind power system all to hell.
4. Run your back-up gas turbine generators 24/7.
5. To save even more money, skip steps 1 and 3. 

Robert of Texas
May 12, 2021 8:21 pm

Um…did you happen to include the replacement costs of all this infrastructure over time? A good old fashioned Gas-Powered Electric generation station, or a Coal driven one, or a nuclear one is good for 50 years or so. Wind turbines are going to have trouble reaching 20 years.

Batteries are even worse…they will be down below 80% capacity in about 7 to 8 years. They will have to be replaced every 10 to 12 years – if they actually last that long.

So it isn’t just GWh you need to do the math on, but also the overall lifetime costs over a suitable period of time. You will find the Green Energy costs more than double what you have presented.

As for how many batteries are needed…If you accept some amount of back-outs (which apparently California does) then you can increase the rated wind turbine capacity and lower the amount of batteries needed.

If you accept no black-outs you have to have backup power to cover all contingencies including huge periods of time when the wind is blowing too little. You can cover these by building nuclear power plants of course, but then you can just run the nuclear power plants at 95% capacity and get rid of the need for wind and batteries altogether.

Eventually there are going to be enough blackouts that kill innocent people to wake up the public to these ridiculous schemes.

John
May 12, 2021 8:39 pm

completely agree
basic physics is not understood
GW work when you have continuous generation
but GWh are what you need to give a continuous supply for a period of time
watch this space as they say as California crashes and burns

May 12, 2021 10:12 pm

I work in batteries and writing a spec saying you need a number of watts or Amps of batteries is basically criminal malfeasance.
How long you need it can change the price by magnitudes

If you spent 10k on a ups but then put in 1 minute worth of battery backup you deserved to be mocked out of the field.

These people are committing fraud.

Dennis G Sandberg
May 12, 2021 10:24 pm

copy/paste
“Low-cost storage is the key to enabling renewable electricity to compete with fossil fuel generated electricity on a cost basis,” says Yet-Ming Chiang, a materials science and engineering professor at MIT.
But exactly how low? Chiang, professor of energy studies Jessika Trancik, and others have determined that energy storage would have to cost roughly US $20 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for the grid to be 100 percent powered by a wind-solar mix. Their analysis is published in Joule.
That’s an intimidating stretch for lithium-ion batteries, which dipped to $175/kWh in 2018…

…Energy storage would have to cost $10 to $20/kWh for a wind-solar mix with storage to be competitive with a nuclear power plant providing baseload electricity. And competing with a natural gas peaker plant would require energy storage costs to fall to $5/kWh.

Note: $175/kWh is for the battery. Installation for utility grid scale storage costs more than the battery. I live in California, a few miles from the soon to close Diablo nuclear plant. Disaster in the making.

Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
May 12, 2021 11:04 pm

https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/solar-plus-storage-101

240 mWh =$300 x 6 = $1800/day X 7 = $12,600/wk for 60 MW, $126000 for 600 MW, but the .gov source is a complete lie! The $380 is per kw not mw, so it’s actually $126,000,000 (keep in mind that I used $300 instead of $380. Note: a modern CCGT is typically 800 MW, battery storage for a week would cost at least $150 million based on the .gov source (sounds low).

MarkW
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
May 13, 2021 9:15 am

They still can’t get generation itself to be cost competitive with fossil fuel power. Including the cost of buying and installing batteries just makes wind and solar that much less competitive.

Iain Reid
May 12, 2021 11:31 pm

As wind and solar is uncontrollable in conventional systems how are they going to keep the frequency stable? Frequency is the parameter that shows the balanced between demand and supply. Also renewables have no inertia, the flywheel effect that helps smooth out all the smaller variations in frequency deviation, i.e. gives stability.
I would envisage that long before they get to 100% renewables the grid will be out of frequency tolerance and will trip. It also takes a very long time to restart a grid without suitable black start systems.
Surely the grid engineers know this and sooner or later sense will prevail, or are they going to rely on power imports from neighbouring states?

griff
Reply to  Iain Reid
May 13, 2021 4:07 am

Most battery systems are used for grid balancing systems at present…

There’s an extensive programme in the UK – see ‘enhanced frequency response UK’.

Or ‘yes, they are aware of that and have a fix’

Reply to  griff
May 13, 2021 8:46 am

Now calculate the battery capacity to keep the lights on in the UK when the wind isn’t blowing and the Sun isn’t shining.

Coeur de Lion
May 13, 2021 12:16 am

Socialists are not good managers. How is the VMT to be administered? Voluntary reporting? Good luck with that. GPS? ?data management? Mine’s bust. An inspector calls? Sorry, granny has it in Ashland Oregon. Read my odometer? How When? Why do I have Colorado plates?

Jan de Jong
May 13, 2021 1:08 am

The plans are crazy, obviously. And mentioning only power and never energy is ridiculous, obviously.
But the >1000 factor assumes that the summer energy excess is exactly to be used in the winter. From Andrews’s chart above it would appear that the maximum summer production is about 7 times the minimum winter production. That would indicate that installing 7 times the intended capacity and throwing away 6/7 of production in the summer (synthetic liquid fuel?) could obviate the need for seasonal storage. Daily storage would still be needed. How the cost would compare to x1000 …?

Jan de Jong
Reply to  Jan de Jong
May 13, 2021 1:12 am

More than 6/7..

AC Osborn
May 13, 2021 1:45 am

I really miss Roger Andrews analytical ability, he is gone but not forgotten.
I also miss Euan’s Energy Matters as well, good solid down to earth analysis of real world data.

Reply to  AC Osborn
May 14, 2021 6:10 pm

Agreed. Glad to see his work being cited here. And Energy Matters attracted a number of real energy experts in different fields to cross examine the issues and hone the answers. Debate was mostly of a very high standard.

Saighdear
May 13, 2021 2:44 am

… all electric? what abot the Diesels running to produce the food in their fields? the Earthmovers to re-grade the Land, etc. Remind us ( them city folk) how the State of California grows Sooooh much Fresh veg for the US and also Fruit – according to what we in UK see on the Smithsonian Channel’s “America from above”series.

Herbert
May 13, 2021 3:45 am

Google “Hornsdale Power Reserve” on Wikipedia to read about what was the world’s largest battery in South Australia until surpassed in August 2020 by the Gateway Energy Storage in California and now apparently by this new project.
it is all there for Californians to see what is coming.
Hornsdale was also built by Elon Musk and Tesla.
Hornsdale Power Reserve is a 150 MW/ 194 MWh grid-connected energy storage system co-located with the Hornsdale Wind Farm in the Mid-North region of South Australia.
The Wikipedia item is generally laudatory but go to the abc.net.au story on 2 September 2020 “Tesla Battery in South Australia expanded by 50%, Energy Minister lauds benefit.”
The key issues are addressed under “SA’s increasingly ‘unmanageable’ renewables sector.”
As SA has one third of the State with rooftop solar power,continuing generous tariffs ensure surplus power generated is fed back into the grid at a rate it cannot handle.
As the Minister acknowledges,”There are times when we have more electricity going back into the grid than coming out of it and if it crosses that threshold it’ll be a disaster for the grid”.
The ‘disaster’ is blackouts.

griff
Reply to  Herbert
May 13, 2021 4:05 am

Except there won’t be a disaster, because they thought of that and built the battery…

(Plus home batteries are becoming more popular too)

Lrp
Reply to  griff
May 13, 2021 2:51 pm

On a different posting you asked for scientific rebuttal, and yet, you don’t ever have the courtesy to provide what you’re asking of others.
194MWh means 194MW for one hour, which is a piddling amount even for an inexistent economy such as that of South Australia, 2GW peak over 5 to 7 hours. And home batteries, people don’t want them but some might install them just because the energy regulator wants them to pay grid access.
I close with saying that you remain as shallow and dishonest as always.

John
Reply to  Lrp
May 13, 2021 5:09 pm

It is even worse than that in reality you have a discharge rate which means that pissy little elon musk battery will keep the lights on in about 1% of adelaide for about 5 hours as you need to discharge it over 4 – 5 hours so as not to completely destroy this foley

SteveB
May 13, 2021 4:51 am

There are about 30 million registered vehicles in California. With average driving, you will need to recharge your EV about 75kw-hr every week. Calif will need to add 40 – 50 1,000MW power plants to their system, running every night, to meet this demand. Won’t happen.

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 13, 2021 4:54 am

Clearly Californians can count: one, two, three, four, many.

Coach Springer
May 13, 2021 6:11 am

Is the relative cost comparison now between batteries and new gas or nuke plants? All the same, 6.7 trillion gets you a lot of generation while eliminating environmentally harmful wind and solar.

May 13, 2021 6:59 am

SB 100…or 100% BS?

ResourceGuy
May 13, 2021 7:24 am

They get to their goal with a substitution in the equation from their old standby–imports of power.

Randy Stubbings
May 13, 2021 7:42 am

A very similar analysis for Alberta shows the cost of batteries for a wind-solar-and-battery future would be C$2 trillion (about $1.5 trillion US). That’s for 4.3 million people… after eliminating the oil and gas industry but before converting to electric cars and before converting virtually every building in the province from natural gas heating to electric heating.

True Cost of Wind Solar Alberta | Friends of Science Calgary