Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying, the accusation that China created Covid-19 in a laboratory is a case of “the guilty party filing the suit first”.
US biolab transparency urged after smearing China over weaponizing COVID-19
By Global Times Published: May 10, 2021 06:25 PM
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It is the US that is conducting biological warfare and bioterrorism using genetic engineering technology, rather than China, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Monday in response to a media report accusing China of weaponizing COVID-19.
The Chinese Foreign Ministry urged the US to be transparent on their biolabs and their ongoing bioweapons studies.
Quoting a so-called leaked document obtained by the US State Department, which is actually a book that is openly on sale, The Australian claimed China had been looking into whether it could weaponize the coronavirus five years before the COVID-19 pandemic, and even presented the document as evidence of China’s interest in bioweapons.
There are always some in the US who smear China either by hyping up facts or quoting so-called internal documents or reports, but it is usually a case of “the guilty party filing the suit first”, deliberate misinterpretation, presumption of guilt or merely spreading lies, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying said on Monday at the press briefing.
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The US has set up biolabs in 25 countries and regions across the Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia and former Soviet Union, with 16 in Ukraine alone. Some of the places where the labs are based have seen large-scale outbreaks of infectious diseases and other dangerous infectious diseases, the ministry said, citing media reports.
The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson demanded that the US address international concerns: Why is the US building so many biolabs around the globe? How much sensitive biological resources and information has the US obtained from other countries? What kind of activities has the US carried out in its Fort Detrick laboratory and other biolabs, and what’s the relationship between these biolabs and its “next generation bioweapons”?
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Read more: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223060.shtml
China has a history of coverups, suppression and punishment for doctors who try to issue public health warnings.
In 2003, then Chinese President Hu Jintao admitted China had initially covered up the deadly SARS outbreak, and promised more transparency in the future.
In 2019 China broke that promise of transparency, by censoring, harassing and arresting doctors who tried to warn the world about Covid-19.
The obvious answer, to why the USA would want to maintain a global network of biolabs, is that the USA cannot trust the governments of countries like China to tell the truth, when they have a disease outbreak which threatens the safety of US citizens and allies.
“Make the lie big, make it simple, repeat it frequently and people will come to believe it”- Joseph Goebbels.
Simple matter- China can not be trusted on anything. Listen to what they say and believe the exact opposite- same as the cAGW/”climate change” alarmists.
Climate Playbook 101!
And now the wild card is that China owns the Biden Crime Family. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Unfortunately, neither can our own press – if we could even really call it our own, anymore.
The Western media lost all credibility years ago. But for the coverage of the internet, we’d be completely in the dark.
Roy, Internet coverage is nearly 100% fabricated nonsense.
I know only 1 Roy and I’m not him. If you can’t even get a simple name right, it’s little wonder you can’t separate the wheat from the chaff on the internet.
There is much of value on the internet. You simply need a means to assess it.
Autocorrect is not your friend.
Rory typed into my device gives me…
Rory Roy and the bolded “Roy” is automatically inserted in preference to the typed Rory.
This is more likely just a lack of proofreading prior to posting and less likely a misspelling. At least on my device it would be.
No government can be trusted. “Trust but verify” was an old saying. Trust is in short supply so let’s just go straight to verify.
I’m puzzled by the slant of this article and the comments.
Are we saying that the US does not own many domestic and overseas chemical warfare labs, and if they do that is fine?
Granted the communist religion is based on lies, but does anyone trust the US government – especially the current illegal one?
Oh the USA/deep state is in it up to the arm pits. Dr Fleming goes over the GOF research and shows the video clips of the people involved bragging/confessing about it.
Check out Dr Fleming’s site “flemingmethod.com”
Reported on Sky News Australia
(2) Wow – Sky News AU just broadcast a fascinating piece on the Viral Origins! – YouTube
Well, that is a change, I thought it was our Australian beef exports that caused the problem ! At least the USA would have the good sense to ensure that any virus it experiments with remains captured.
As far as China is concerned it is ANY nations fault but their own. They don’t have the BRASS to own up to their own mistakes. Though it is far more likely to be less mistake and more design
I don’t think it is a case of brass, Bryan, I think it is partly a case of losing face.
China presently operates by politics alone.
There’s the program (supported at all costs), successes and set-backs, allies and opponents.
Mistakes do not exist in that world-view.
You are correct. “THE” program aka 2049. They think long term.
If you think for one moment that China is the sole problem for these labs, then that would be total ignorance of known facts, and complicity to the scapegoat excuse for a much wider agenda. There are numerous facts that demonstrate how this is a multi-source problem, such as a) the fake PCR tests b) the conflated numbers c) the BS jabs etc. so to create a narrative of China is to be extremely ignorant.
Senator Dr. Rand Paul is catching flak.
Senator Paul almost asks the right question which is what money from US sources found its way to the Wuhan lab. Fauci’s overly specific denial is in itself an admission that he knows things he does not want disclosed.
And it was Wall Street money and US corporations that made China what it is today. And now we have moved on to defunding the police, abolishing meritocracy and opening the borders… and basing US foreign policy on a fabricated climate change scare.
The only place I have ever seen this work is on Seinfeld:
George does the Opposite
Progressives must have figured that if it worked for George Costanza it could work for them. 🙁
(facepalm)
“And it was Wall Street money and US corporations that made China what it is today. And now we have moved on to defunding the police”
Not “we”, but rather radical Democrats and anarchists, are the ones who want to defund the police.
Wall Street turned China into a communist kleptocracy?
If you are constrained by semantics/etymology of Western media/academia, it is difficult to see.
And it is often quite subtle: National Socialist German Workers’ Party in Germany… now almost always abbreviated as Nazis, thereby burying its socialist component.
THE LEFT-RIGHT DICHOTOMY
https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/sowell-the-left-right-dichotomy/
And Sowell is hardly alone in his opinion:
And this is now a point of debate about China:
China: The First Mature Fascist State
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2011/01/20/china-the-first-mature-fascist-state/
So, whether it is “corporate control of the state” or “state control of corporations” (both exclude, people’s control of the state through voting) both are kleptocracies at the top of society, camouflaged by verbiage like “people’s republic” or “democratic republic” or in today’s lingo: “Our Democracy” or “fortified democracy“.
Fauci and the US intel community know where this came from and it’s origins starting at the root. Fauci is in the development up to his neck and the little twerp is going to get away with it.
The CDC has spread so much disinformation and been so wrong about so much that it has lost credibility with those that have been paying attention and thinking critically.
Their latest lie was about the probability of contracting the virus outdoors. It is one in a long series that has brought misery or unnecessarily extended misery to so many millions.
In my book Fauci is no better than the Governor of NY. And neither are any more credible than the Chinese Communists.
It does look like American taxpayer money was given to the Wuhan lab. Fauci claims the money was not meant for “gain of function” research, but that’s still up in the air.
What we *do* know for sure is the Wuhan virus started in China, and the Chinese officials downplayed the danger from it, and then, after they knew the danger, they shut down traffic inside China, but continued to allowed international travel in and out of China and raised hell when Trump put the travel ban on China.
So the Chicoms DELIBERATELY unleashed the Wuhan virus on the rest of the world.
Fauci and 28 other Trump advisors were against stopping traffic from China, but Trump overruled them all and called a halt to it. And aren’t we glad he did.
If Trump were a follower, he would have followed their advice. But Trump is a leader and realized it was not a good idea to import diseases into the United States, so he put a stop to it despite what his advisors thought.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden and the other Democrats were calling Trump a racist for stopping the Chinese traffic. Of course, Democrats call Trump (and Republicans in general) a racist over anything so that’s to be expected, and rejected as a knee-jerk smear.
The aggravating thing is that they same people who in the spring were calling Trump a racist for shutting down traffic from China, by the fall were claiming that Trump didn’t act soon enough to stop international traffic.
And of course the lap dog media let them get away with the about face.
Perfect example of “We have always been at war with EastAsia”.
ive just scanned 21 pages of ZH and cant find their item
‘they listed the documents showing yearly funding from 2015? onwards TO the chinese labs from memory many thousands per yr
will check my sent mails to see if I can find the link
This collection of snippets unfortunately cuts out the key part of one of Fauci’s answers indicating what kind of rat he is. He states that the research was not gain of function research, **or** that it was one of the items for which an excemption exists. This sentence was easily missed and hence the author of this snippet missed the significance. This as that is what he did. He funded a 3rd party, which funded the Wuhan lab and they did research that was gain of function, but due to the excemptions was not classified as forbidden under US law. Hence this is why he can state under oath that it is not gain of function research. As Rand paul says at the end “You are parsing words”.
BTW I wonder what conspiracy Rand Paul spreads over vaccines. To my knowledge Rand Paul has always been in favour of the vaccines, except that people who had it naturally don’t need it. Seems another ignorant lib believing her own bubble.
Only caveat to that is that we cannot at this stage say how long natural immunity lasts and how long post-vaccination immunity lasts.If it’s the same time,terrific. If not,what is the difference? Is it epidemiologically important?
In general one would assume they are the same in terms of length. There is no reason to believe a CD4, CD8 or B cell produced by a vaccine is less or more effective than a natural infection. Also in general these calls stay active for years if not decades. So quantity seems the primary factor to look at.
Sometimes you need a booster as cell counts drop over the years. But in other cases these last a lifetime. But we also have years to measure this, so in the immediate term Rand Paul is correct stating that natural infection will protect you equal (if not better) to vaccines as both anti-bodies and cells are present.
A possible weakness is though, that CD8 cells are complicated and the least understood part of immunity. Natural infection as well as e.g. the Janssen vaccine produce CD8 cells in addition to CD4 and B. But Moderna shot did not in their phase 1/2 trials and ‘only’ produced CD4 and B. I’ve seen no updated studies. Pfizer only showed low concentration of CD8, and in a large April 2021 study showed that only after the 2nd shot CD8 showed up and even then in low concentration and only for 40% of the people. So even though Pfizer is now often seen as ‘the best’ (also based on other somewhat flawed comparisons) perhaps once anti-bodies wane, it may be less effective than J&J and certainly natural infection as it will only have CD4 and B cells. But perhaps these CD8’s won’t matter? But either way that seems where one needs to look, and hence even more reason to not push vaccines as ‘inherently better’ than natural immunity, as there is no theory let a lone data to suggest that is true.
The last caveat is that we redefined ‘having had COVID’ as ‘having had a positive PCR test’ with no regard for the concentration aka PCR rounds. Studies shows that even low concentration and hence low or even asymptomatic natural infections cause strong cellular response. But how low is enough? Since PCR rounds are not presented to the person receiving diagnosis, I guess the best one can do is assume if you had no symptoms it was a high PCR value and still get a shot?
I know in The Netherlands they give you only 1 Pfizer if you tested positive. That is one rational approach. Others exist and some counter-arguments are hence valid, but in the US the approach is not science based. There the government advises people to wear poorly fitted cotton masks that don’t stop aerosols, and keep doing this even when vaccinated. The end-result is nobody takes them serious, even when they later tan do say something that actually is correct.
Scissor, thanks 10^6 for posting the video of Senator Rand Paul questioning Dr. Fauci.
It is fascinating for what Rand Paul has the nerve to state and ask publicly and likewise how Fauci specifically avoids truthfully answering the obvious intent of the questions put to him.
Pay particular note to Fauci’s specific wording in his answer to the US funding research by Dr. Zhengli-Li Shi and others: he specifically inserts the caveat “gain-of-function research in (to be conducted in) the Wuhan institute of Virology”, which probably makes his carefully-crafted response true in words, albeit not true in spirit.
It has been documented numerous times that the NIH has funded and participated with Zhengli-Li Shi on virus gain-of-function research outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Here is the paper that Rand Paul references, indirectly, that was co-authored by many, including Zhengli-Li Shi and Ralph S Baric, both of whom Rand Paul mentioned in the video you posted:
The article published by scientific journal nature medicine (full version available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/ ) reporting on gain-of-function research using mice provides these specific statements taken verbatim from the referenced article’s main body text:
“Therefore, we synthesized the SHC014 spike in the context of the replication-competent, mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone (we hereafter refer to the chimeric CoV as SHC014-MA15) to maximize the opportunity for pathogenesis and vaccine studies in mice . . . To test the ability of the SHC014 spike to mediate infection of the human airway, we examined the sensitivity of the human epithelial airway cell line Calu-3 2B4 (ref. 9) to infection and found robust SHC014-MA15 replication, comparable to that of SARS-CoV Urbani (Fig. 1c).”
N.B., “pathogenesis” is med-speak for “the development of a disease and the chain of events leading to that disease” . . . now, why would one want to “maximize the opportunity” for that? And mice are the laboratory animals-of-preference for closely representing human susceptibilities to infectious diseases, especially those spread via airborne transmission.
Now if you access the above article and do a search of it for the word “NIH” what do you find? . . . How about these sentences, again verbatim: “This paper has been reviewed by the funding agency, the NIH. Continuation of these studies was requested, and this has been approved by the NIH.” and specifically under the subsection titled Acknowledgments “Research in this manuscript was supported by grants from the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Disease and the National Institute of Aging of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) under awards U19AI109761 (R.S.B.), U19AI107810 (R.S.B.), AI085524 (W.A.M.), F32AI102561 (V.D.M.) and K99AG049092 (V.D.M.) . . .Human airway epithelial cultures were supported by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disease of the NIH under award NIH DK065988 (S.H.R.).” Note that Dr. Fauci was appointed Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infetious Disease (NIAID) in 1984, so the work reported on in this 2015 article was done under his administration and clearly with his knowledge.
Is this a smoking gun or not??? And IMHO, this makes Dr. Fauci one evasive #!###!.
And there is this: YouTube, while not outright censoring the exchange between Rand Paul and Fauci, saw fit to edit into the clip the question asked by Democratic Senator Tina Smith near the end (the video clearly revealing she wasn’t asking this question in the actual hearing setting, but was setup to ask this pejorative, softball question framing Rand Paul as “peddling conspiracy theories” . . . her exact words), with a cut back to the Congressional hearing setting and select editing to make it appear (falsely) that Fauci is responding directly to Senator Smith. Absolutely shameful on the part of YouTube, but what else can you expect from MSM these days?
Finally, there is this late-breaking confirmation of what I maintain above: https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-dr-fauci-lied-congress-china-virus-research
The truth is out there . . . fighting for its very life, with the help of brave souls like Rand Paul.
The Fauci/COVID-19 Dossier
This document is prepared for humanity by Dr. David E. Martin.
https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3HOrhAUgQ5rnfaFuxr5_4mJVi41joqkE-9an-HuNg6R2vWrTn8gZcKE7E
The time honored admonition: “Follow the money”.
We now know that taxpayer money flowed from NIH (National Institute of Health) to Dr. Fauci at NIAID. From there the funds were sent through one Peter Daszak at EcoHealth Alliance. The funding then went to the Wuhan lab which had subcontracted out the work.
It looks for all the world that this arrangement was to circumvent a blanket ban on this research in the US.
The curious upshot of this cozy relationship is if things go bad, and they did, there is an out.
Each side could accuse the other of engaging in dangerous bio-weapons research, and both would *almost* be telling the truth.
*cute*
TonyL
From what i have read, this seems to be a plausible explanation of what happened.
Yes. It is a bad joke of the fate.
The virus, designed (or studied) on the US money In China, was thought to be contained over there, in the deep jungles around Wuhan. If it breaks out, it would be a Chinese problem.
Well, indeed, some 5,000 Chinese were killed by this virus. The well organized state could stop the Epidemie.
How many Americans were killed by the virus, the incompetence and the desastrous US health system?
1 Million?
Nobody even knows exactly because of the US coverups.
Who counted how many Chinese were killed by the virus? And how trustworthy do you think they are?
“It looks for all the world that this arrangement was to circumvent a blanket ban on this research in the US.”
That’s exactly what it looks like.
Right now, the #1 suspect for irresponsibly releasing this scourge upon humanity is Dr. Shi Zhengli ,director of the Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which was funded, at least in part, by the NIH via Eco Health.
It had to have happened as a result of her lab at the WIV. They were harvesting these viruses and manipulating them. It is bat virus central.
Allow me to make a forecast. Dr. Shi didn’t off herself.
Not yet…
as long as she avoids nail guns and tall buildings….
Shi is a long-time collaborator with US scientists (led by Ralph Baric) who developed GoF techniques at UNC and published several papers on their joint efforts. When GoF research was banned in the US, Fauci outsourced it to the Wuhan BSL-4 lab.
The grant is easily accessed… Newsweek broke this scandal last year
I’ve said for over a year now, I’m 100% for Fauci and Ralph Baric testifying under oath about Gain of Function Research. If the Chinese want to send their list of question, the more the merrier.
Yes, I suspect this will get a lot messier before its over.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/03/were-dangerous-wuhan-coronavirus-lab-experiments-part-funded-by-western-governments/
Why would the US outsource to China research in virology that could potentially be used to create a bioweapon? Why would the US government be outsourcing anything to China? What the heck is going on out there!
One possibility is because nobody in the West would have approved those experiments on Western soil, or at the very least that approval would have been far more difficult.
By accepting to the risk, China gained access to Western biotech skills, and the West got a lightly regulated dumping ground for their dangerous experiments.
If this turns out to be the true explanation, I think there will be huge anger in China, that their government was so ready to trade the safety of the Chinese people for a small commercial and military advantage.
Since the US taxpayer helped fund it, then should we not be allowed full access to all the research notes and log books?
The US government funded it. And they do not want taxpayers to know what they are doing…
The US taxpayers also paid for the dossiers and subsequent investigations into Team Trump! I’d bet there’s LOTS of stuff WE pay for but aren’t allowed to see!
Those dossiers were a rewrite of a script originally written to go after McCain, which is truly ironic given his role in giving them to the former federal law enforcement agency that now only prosecutes political enemies!
It’s also good to remember that no one outside China (and few inside) have any idea what the Chinese death toll really is. We only have their “word”.
Gathering from the unofficial sources regarding Tianaman Square, & the subsequent “apparent” death toll, the difference in numbers is significant, to say the very least!!! So I always regard with caution any official word emanating from the Chinese!!!
A wise course of action.
A wise course of action regarding any government. However the less open the society, the less reliable the “official” statistics.
This is it. Doing gain of function was forbidden on US soil. So they had to use a double trick. First they payed a 3rd party which payed the Chinese lab. Second because even that is illegal, they needed the exact research to be classified under the very specific excemptions that the gain of function ban had. It is sort of like sponsoring the sub parts of the Chinese work that were not illegal, and hence still keeping access to the overall type of project which was illegal in the US.
From the researchers side, this is what they had been working on for years. Now it was banned in the US, they had to use these tricks to keep continuing their work. The big scandal here is however indeed that these were not just private researchers, that moved to China and worked there on behalf of the Chinese government using Chinese funding, but indeed routed US taxpayer money to do this.
Eric,
A couple of questions; first, is WIV a level two or level four laboratory? Tucker stated on his show that it is only level two, which is equivalent to a dentist’s office level of hygiene; but the French were supposed to have helped build it to level four! That’s a BIG difference!
Secondly, about a month ago I saw an article on Wuhan with a map supposedly showing where the first outbreaks occurred based on cellphone data. What the map showed was the initial outbreaks appearing much closer to the OTHER virology lab in Wuhan! Did the two labs share the work and transport viral samples back and forth? The article has since disappeared from the Internet so I don’t know if we’re talking about a red herring or a straw man to hide the origins of the Fauxi ChiCom virus!?
The Chinese did the work because nobody in the US would; Fauxi helped fund it because he could potentially make lots of money from vaccine development and copyrights!
There are definitely two labs in Wuhan.
A guy said last night that unlike previous outbreaks of SARS-type viruses, no intermediate species has been found that would pass the Wuhan virus on to humans.
That would suggest that the infection took place in the laboratory and that’s how it got into the public.
There were two labs. One was level 4 and the other level 2. But more importantly a level 4 lab can do level 3 or level 2 research.
One additional problem is that for instance experimenting with SARS1 was classified I believe as level 3, but of course if you would do gain of function on a other non-lethal virus using level 2 safety measures, you may produce something that is more dangerous dan SARS1, whole working level 2 protections.
Note for instance also that SARS1 escaped twice in a Beijing lab, through workers that never even worked on SARS1 themselves. They got infected in the building through lack of protections by co-workers (which themselves did not get infected!). This just to illustrate that the whole level-protection is not a guarantee for safety.
This is a completely false narrative that is endlessly trotted out. The US and China openly funded and corroborated on joint reasearch of bat corona virus Gain of Function (GOF) experiments:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/
The published paper credits both the UNC and Wuhan labs and it lists the funding sources as coming from both China and the USA.
Funding:
The particularly dangerous creation of a highly infections chimeric virus first occurred on US soil. This particular paper was controversial at the time and lead to the brief GOF pause! However as stated in the paper this research was allowed to continue in the US at UNC:
This all very well known and has been discussed for the last six years!
Dangerous GOF experiments were a joint venture of the US and China and still are to this very day. Together they created a chimeric – man made – virus using horseshoe bat virus supplied by China.
This highly infectious virus may not be SARS-CoV-2 – thankfully, because it would be far worse – but it does demonstrate that the technology was available around the time (2013) when the virus responsible for COVID-19, SHC013-CoV was first collected from a cave in China!
F*%k!
Corroboratedshould be collaborated! The Chinese deplorables won’t be allowed to hear anything about it.
cf The Maricopa recount audit
GoF Research was prohibited in the US for several years; that’s why it was outsourced overseas to a trusted figure, such as Dr Shi.
Excellent summary here:
“Why would the US government be outsourcing anything to China?”
Good question.
We have a lot of Americans who don’t put America first for some reason.
Better yet, before there’s any testimony the lab reports and notebooks that NIH-NIAID funded need to be disclosed for public inspection (Hint: If the reports are supoened what are the odds that they will have been lost and destroyed?)
China has blocked all access to lab notes and lab workers at WIV.
Will China give us our money back then?
I suppose that’s to be expected… what’s Fauci’s excuse?
The only conspiracy I find in the whole COVID story is that no one knows where it came from.
It came, one way or another, from the work being done at the lab. It didn’t come from the wet market, ergo, it could only have come from the place where they were collecting and manipulating bat viruses with insufficient protective measures.
It’s fairly conclusive at this point on scientific grounds. The SC-2 virus doesn’t show a long line of mutations that the original SARS and MERS virus did. It miraculously appeared on the scene, a king of genetic Immaculate Conception.
Nice. The Maria virus.
For those with a somewhat technical biology/molecular biology background, I highly recommend this Bulletin of Atomic Scientists analysis by Nicholas Wade. (link below, open access).
Much of what Dr Wade spells out with much clarity I have recognized since this time last year about SARS2 and have said so on these pages. And I have siad so on many occassions, that I see this COVID-19 SARS-2 virus as a likely escapee from a lab worker accidental infection (in BSL-2+ setting, this accidental infection is actually quite easy, from my own experience with directly working with infected cell cultures and passages of clinical isolates of human H1 and H3 influenza viruses, and GOF studies in 2011-2012 (pre GOF ban).
IMO, SARS2 almost certainly escaped out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab by simple accident. No nefarious, conspiracy theory is needed to understand this likely route that led to SARS2 to becoming the pandemic virus we are now still dealing with.
The only thing that is happening which a criminal conspiracy IMO is folks like Dr Fauci, Daszak, and maybe Francis Collins are running a massive PR effort to CYA. That is cover-up their culpability in authorizing an exception to the GOF proposal in the grant funding of the original research which was pre-2017 (as explained by Dr Wade in the article). In most political crimes, it’s always the cover-up where the real crimes are committed (like WaterGate and Nixon’s involvment in the cover-up but not the initiating crime).
The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
If they wanted to do it deliberately, they certainly would not have chosen that site. So, I agree that it must have been carelessness.
Although, just to assert that it came out of that site is to be ridiculed by the American virologists.
The truth will eventually come out. And with it I suspect will be the fall of Dr Fauci’s reputation (and maybe Dr. Francis Collins too) in his part in authorizing the pre-2017 grant funding (via Daszak as president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York then to WIV) for the GOF coronavirus work at the WIV.
Dr Wade’s discussion and bringing together multiple lines of evidence and prior writings on the furin cleavage site codon/genetics in the S protein discussion that Dr Wade dissects is quite damning evidence. It is clear evidence actually of a lab-adapted virus undergoing GOF studies that could then easily infect a worker during a routine cell culture passage in BSL-2+ and then easily leave the lab completely unintended.
I read the whole report last night. The more I learn, the more scandalous it seems. Law enforcement should be seizing all of Dr. Baric’s correspondence with Dr. Shi. I think Fauci knew that they were doing a dangerous end-around (in multiple ways), even though the amount of money was relatively small compared to the full NIAID budget.
Joel,
There are TWO virology labs in Wuhan, and the outbreaks may have occurred from the other; not WIV!
Wade’s article is a good call! I added it to my Favorites to make it easier to share and show to people!
“IMO, SARS2 almost certainly escaped out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab by simple accident. No nefarious, conspiracy theory is needed to understand this likely route that led to SARS2 to becoming the pandemic virus we are now still dealing with.”
I agree.
The initial Wuhan virus infection was an accident.
The subsequent spread of the Wuhan virus outside China and around the world was a deliberate act of biological warfare by the Chicoms who insisted that international traffic in and out of China continue.
Essentially, everything out of a ChiCom’s mouth is a lie. Most dangerous country on earth.
The problem is that when we have people like Obama, John Kerry, and Biden so willing to lie and demonstrably then do so lie, that when they actually do lie, all Russia’s Czar Putin or China’s Dictator Xi has to do to undermine them is to tell the truth (or release hacked information that is the truth) and watch them squirm.
As much as our dear leaders lie, they could NOT get away with it if not for a complicit and compliant media!
If DemoKKKrat leaders faced HALF the scrutiny that Trump endured this would already be widely reported! Trump was so clean that they had to make stuff up to keep him from breaking all the stolen stoneware in the DC chinashop!
“As much as our dear leaders lie, they could NOT get away with it if not for a complicit and compliant media!”
The lying Mainstream Media presents the greatest danger to the freedoms of the American people and indeed, the whole Western world.
In a dictatorship, the people don’t need to know anything for the government to work, as long as the Dear Leader can get things done.
In a Democracy/Republic the People must have true information in order to be able to elect the proper people to lead the nation, but when the MSM lies and distorts the truth for political purposes, then the People become confused and end up electing the wrong people, who then lead them down the Road to Ruin, like is happening now with Joe Biden and Company.
We no longer have an unbiased media, if we ever did have one, but now, the media has decided to deliberately side with the radical Democrats and become their mouthpiece, so they have become propaganda organs for the Democrat Party. You can’t believe a word they say. Dangerous! Dangerous! Dangerous!
Look at what their lies have given us so far.
Without the MSM propaganda machine, the Democrats would be nothing. It’s lies and distortions are the only thing that keeps them in the game.
Tom,
We should never forget the High Tech Nazis at Twitter, Facebook and others! Not only did Zuck the Cuck put a HALF BILLION into voter turnout in heavily Democratic swing state districts, he and the others suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story and others that might have discouraged Bai Den voters!
Even worse, they worked with Fauxi and Big Pharma to suppress the discussion and use of therapeutics like ivermectin and HCQ! The fatalities from this in the US alone are 200,000-250,000! But the EUAs for the “vaccines” wouldn’t have been given if effective treatments were available! This would make the Boy Billionaires MASS MURDERERS; almost as much as Fauxi and Li Zhengli, and anyone else who tried to cover up or lie about the ChiCom virus early on!
I talking about YOU, WHO!
“We should never forget the High Tech Nazis at Twitter, Facebook and others! Not only did Zuck the Cuck put a HALF BILLION into voter turnout in heavily Democratic swing state districts, he and the others suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story and others that might have discouraged Bai Den voters!”
Just to demonstrate what a game-changer that censorship of the Hunter Biden story was for the election, polls were taken after the election, and depending on what poll you used, anywhere from 10 to 20 percent of *Biden* voters would not have voted for Biden had they been aware of Hunter Biden’s influence peddling.
That would have given the election to Trump.
The evidence mounts that for years the US (Fauci) outsourced Gain of Function research at the Wuhan BSL-4 lab. The research was designed to make the SARS bat virus super-infectious among humans.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
The US is just as culpable as China in creating the COVID franken virus. Yesterday Sen Rand Paul began to lift the veil of secrecy and directly confronted Fauci to his face.
The problem was it appears none was being done in a BSL-4 setting, like it would have been in the US under a stricter IRB protocol, if authorized at all. It was done in BSL-2+ and BSL-3 settings. The animal experiments (mice with the ACE-2 receptor gene) were likely done in BSL-3. But the serial passge of extracted viruses that resulted were probably done by lab technicians in BSL-2+.
From my own personal experience with BSL-2+ and clinical isolates of H1 and H3 influenza A viruses, I can tell you that self-infection is quite likely given enough time and exposure. The virus titers (concentrations) that come out of a cell culture media with such an RNA virus are astronomically high, and then simple concentration steps in a centrifuge raises this titer another several orders of magnitude, to the make dozens or hundreds of samples placed in tiny plastic tubes and then stored in 6″x6″ boxes that are frozen to -80 ºC for future work and studies.
From my own experience with RNA virus GOF and human isolated Influenza A studies, a simple lab leak via an accidentily infected technician or researcher is very clearly a high probablility from my own experience in doing RNA-virology on a real human respiratory pathogen.
Thank you for sharing that experience. What do you think of “Dr Ben” Neuman in the YT video I posted above?
Correct. Likely the Wuhan GoF experiments were performed at a “real” BSL level of 3 OR LESS according to some.
Yesterday Sen. Paul just nibbled around the edges and Fauci tried to play a game of semantics to avoid the truth. Some say he out right lied:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1392325366434443264/pu/vid/640×360/awH5WmZQwkRE6dlO.mp4?tag=12
That’s right. Sen Paul was poorly prepared and organized. Fauci easily dodged the Senator and made Paul look a little foolish.
China has a history of coverups, suppression and punishment for doctors who try to issue public health warnings.
Well, the US should be careful. Too many Bioland are build all over the world. Preferentially far from the US border, better on the other continents.
The germs leak too often from the US Biolabs. Up to recently, these breakouts could be stopped. The coronavirus was too contagious, unfortunately. It was a big surprise for the US, it reached them from the seemingly far China.
China knows pretty well, what they are talking about.
Who was funding the SARS COV 2 design?
Nature Medicine, 09 November 2015:
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
Vineet D Menachery, Boyd L Yount Jr, Kari Debbink, Sudhakar Agnihothram, Lisa E Gralinski, Jessica A Plante, Rachel L Graham, Trevor Scobey, Xing-Yi Ge, Eric F Donaldson, Scott H Randell, Antonio Lanzavecchia, Wayne A Marasco, Zhengli-Li Shi & Ralph S Baric
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
And the last two listed authors made DAMN sure of it!
And just do a search (a “Find”) on that article for “NIH” and you’ll see the extent to which Dr.Fauci lied.
The Chinese leadership is deranged
DGJ,
Nah, they’re just the usual collection of criminals and sociopaths that cluster around the power center in any totalitarian regime; communist, fascist or otherwise!
The CCP is the biggest organized, criminal gang in world history merely because the Chinese population is so large! In the US it apparently only takes a gang of crooks about the size of the DemoKKKrat Party; plus an assortment of RINOs, Socialists and other kooks, to destroy the American system and liberate the public FROM their wealth and freedom!
Global Times is the propaganda newspaper of the CCP, that’s common knowledge right? but I think it still might be worthwhile pointing that out.
Yes, know your enemy.
What would be the reason for doing GOF work on a highly infectious virus? In particular, GOF work intended to make it easy to infect humans?
I can see that it would be useful for making bioweapons, but surely the US and China were not collaborating on weapons development? I read that it may be useful for studying the development of human pandemics, but surely this would only be the case if you were going to use human subjects? Do we think that both the US and China wanted to experiment directly on humans rather than animal models?
usa has history of just that(as do others) think Tuskeegee and the illegal LSD experiments BY the cia? done on a small french village and people died. releases of bacteria/virus ON and into NY subways etc recently supposedly harmless but again one person died other prob ill and didnt know why or seek treatment
More reading makes a bit more sense – the virologist community likes playing with these things, and uses ‘humanised’ mice to test them on. They argue that learning about new viruses will help humanity if a new virus comes from Nature – turns out that this justification is poor and the risks great….
Soviet era pravda. Akin to the 1980’s disinformation campaign that blamed AIDS on the U.S. Army. Luckily we still have strong, rational leaders and communicators who can…
Nevermind.
Greens and the Soviet Komsomol
“Grüne Jugend” = “Green Juth”
Krishna,
Nice find, but it needs a photo of the Swedish Doom Pixie to make it more comprehensible to US jugend!
Tucker Carlson lays it out using this piece from Nichola Wade Origin of Covid — Following the Clues | by Nicholas Wade | May, 2021 | Medium so that the average person can understand. He gets into the meat of it at the 13:30 mark in his monolog. FNC’s Carlson: ‘Why Isn’t There a Criminal Investigation into Tony Fauci’s Role in this Pandemic?’ (breitbart.com)
“Tucker Carlson lays it out using this piece from Nichola Wade”
It was suggested that everyone read this report.
It’s called projection. Hence: did the Chinese let the cat out of the bag and basically admit it is they who are dabbling on bio-weapons? The evidende sofar is: one for, zero against.
From the article: “It is the US that is conducting biological warfare and bioterrorism using genetic engineering technology, rather than China, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Monday in response to a media report accusing China of weaponizing COVID-19.”
Of course, that’s what the Chicoms are going to say. It’s standard operating procedure for liars to accuse their enemies of doing what they themselves are doing.
We get this all the time from the radical Democrats.
This is just part of the Chicom disinformation campaign. They will just continue to perpetrate this lie, and some people will believe them. Some people will believe anything.
sorry last para re obvious answer isnt cutting it .
usa DOES have a shitload of biolabs globally and is as bad if not worse a risk than any other nation for screwups n escapes
usa supplied a massive range of bio products TO saddams labs via govt approved and stamped docs I have read and have a copy of in a book here at home
so if they worried re WMD it was because usa france and the uk ALL supplied feedstock virals baceria etc TO the regime.
the entire bloody 5 eyes and the “were the good guys” are just as bad as the nutter regimes. ALL of them place people at risk. defence purposes my ass.
oh and g bush placed a biolevel 4 lab IN hurricane alley usa cos “politics” now how smart is that?
“The obvious answer, to why the USA would want to maintain a global network of biolabs, is that the USA cannot trust the governments of countries like China to tell the truth, when they have a disease outbreak which threatens the safety of US citizens and allies.”
What? That does not make sense. The US thinks China is not trustworthy to tell the truth about biolabs inside China so the USA has to create many biolabs across the globe (endangering citizens of those countries).
How is that the appropriate response?
At least the Chinese restrict any such behaviour to China.
How about the USA restricts its own biolab research to its own citizens and country?
PS does anyone here trust the USA to be truthful about its own activities?
Readers mite like this paper, reviewed in the Bioessays journal looking at the lab origin hypothesis, I find it very convincing, especially when it was reported patient zero worked in the Wuhan lab.
Might SARS-CoV-2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture?
A potential explanation for much of the novel coronavirus’ distinctive genome
Karl Sirotkin* and Dan Sirotkin
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/bies.202000091
it’s reception may also raise an eyebrow or two…
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2021/02/01/the-darpa-letters/
Re: OP – Arguments between the pot and the kettle are usually more amusing, moreso when the pots & kettles supporters join in pointing fingers are each other!
China also allowed millions to travel internationally after they knew the virus was transmitted person-to-person. They allowed allowed the pandemic to happen, very possibly, deliberately, let it happen.
The Chinese are excellent at projecting.
Well known science writer Nicholas Wade, late of the NYTimes, wrote a very well researched and reported pair of articles on the origins of the pandemic (links below):. The following is the abstract I made of the articles, which you should read in their entirety:
A research team at the Wuhan Institute of Virology headed by Dr. Zheng-li Shi, (called “Bat Lady” because of her research on bat viruses) did gain-of-function research on coronaviruses. Shi had gathered many coronaviruses, (the type to which the virus that produces COVID-19 belongs) from caves in Yunnan in southern China.
Shi took spike protein genes from different viruses and inserted them into a series of virus backbones, to find the combination that would best infect human cells. Some or all of this work was performed in labs at biosafety level 2 on a four step scale, where 4 is the most secure.
One or more people in Wuhan were infected by the viruses produced in these experiments. The virus spread through Wuhan to the rest of the world.
From 2014 through 2019, New York City-based EcoHealth Alliance (run by Dr. Peter Daszak) had a grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health, to do gain-of-function research with coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The grants were approved by Saint Anthony Fauci M.D., as Director of NIAID in a way that subverted Congress’s instructions not do such research.
In February 2020, (before the pandemic really hit the US) the British medical journal Lancet published a letter written by Daszak and endorsed by others claiming the virus had originated in wildlife and spread through the Wuhan “Wet Market”.
In late 2020 and early 2021, Daszak was a part of a delegation of researchers from WHO that went to China to investigate the origin of the pandemic. Their report said that transmission of the virus from bats to humans through another animal is the most likely scenario and that a lab leak is “extremely unlikely.”
Fauci Funded Daszak so Dasak could fund Chinese scientists.
The Chinese scientists created the coronavirus that causes COVI-19. It escaped from their lab, and caused the pandemic that has killed almost 600,000 Americans and more than 3 million worldwide.
Daszak covered up for Fauci and the Chinese.
NYTimes, WaPo, and CNN, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.
Your Taxpayers Dollars at Work.
Links to the Wade articles:
”The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?” By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021 in “The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists”
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
Also at https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
Wade wrote a condensed version for NYPost: “The theory that COVID-19 escaped from a lab may not be so far-fetched” By Nicholas Wade | May 9, 2021
https://nypost.com/2021/05/09/theory-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-may-not-be-far-fetched/
MY My,how things have NOT changed.
Reminds me of the “Weapons of Mass Destruction” in Iraq’s possession.
Well we,the West,know he had them,because we sold them to him..Sadam that is.
So now we find out the our busy little bureaus where paying for “Enhanced Gain Studies” and experiments.carried out in Chinese labs..
So out sourcing again.
Designed in US and Canadian Universities,manufactured in low rent Chinese Laboratories..
Now this certain knowledge does explain the weird government behaviour toward the Wuhan Flu.
Throwing aside centuries of human learning and plague response,we shut down civic society and gave the bureaus full rein to their authoritarian tendencies..
Makes sense if they knew from the beginning that the “Dread Corona Virus” was their own product..
Imagine the terror inside the bureaus???
Through utter idiocy,you have opened Pandora’s Box.
Who imagined this kind of research was sane?
Who OKed the money?
And now the “wonder virus” has escaped..with all government “wisdom” computer modelling that it will kill us all.
A pandemic like never before.
So the real “Deadly virus” was never this Covid-19,it was that in the minds of our dear leaders who thought this kind of “research” a good idea.
So indeed I understand the terror of our Effete Elites in March 2020.
For mans natural reaction to Pestilence is fire.
The French sold Saddam his nuclear reactor for bomb work, and the Germans sold him the “pesticide” industrial plants that made his nerve gases. Not the US.
True. The US and NATO did sell him the artillery and mortar shells (empty) to deliver the agents – the ones found were relics of the Iran war and so corroded as to be useless.
Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying now joins former Iraqi information minister Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahhaf (aka, “Baghdad Bob”)— see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ung95ORVUY —as being among the most laughable officials to have issued public statements to hide the truth.
How liable is the USA because Fausti funded the work when GOF got banned in the US? What is the “prime contractor’s” responsibility in this?
Lots of possibilities and lots of questions to be answered.
More billions proposed and more organizations lacking the power to investigate anything inside China…..
from Business Insider:
The report suggests “a fundamental transformation” to the system, its cochair Helen Clark, a former prime minister of New Zealand, said.
It proposes to:
“If we do not act to change it now, it will not protect us from the next pandemic threat, which could happen at any time,” Sirleaf said.
Union busting is starting to get expensive
The virus came from the lab in Wuhan Sure, that’s just my opinion, but if you believe the Chinese government you probably believe in the tooth fairy, too. they are actually completely unable to tell the truth, regardless of the story. If it’s good news they exaggerate it beyond belief and if it’s a lie, they cover it up mountains of lies and misinformation. Everything they say is false.
The wuhan lab was researching corona viruses and was working with intentionally mutated strains to increase how infective they were, and were researching cross-species infection. This is easily provable as there was a 2018 (iirc) paper published by people from there on exactly this topic.
Not easily provable. The paper is useful but not a smoking gun – it only proposes that the viruses could be weaponised, there is no data with it to suggest it was done. We need more – we need that smoking gun.
I didn’t claim that weaponization was easily provable, only that they were working on such viruses at that lab.
Here is a great article I found on the issue, looks very likely that it came, unintended, out of Chinese research sponsored by American interests.
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
Which country, or even which terrorist organization, will surreptitiously develop a microbial super killer? Soon, with technologies like CRISPR, these bugs should easily be developed and then spread to the ‘enemy’ geographies via a few infected hosts sent on plane trips to widespread cities. Vaccines will be readied for the ‘good guys’.
Some bad actors may send the first volley, maybe for no other reason than not to be attacked first. These attacks are ideal mass killers since there would be little physical destruction as in nuclear or traditional war. Combined with a thermonuclear spaced base attack on electrical grids via EMP, the target country would quickly be sent back to the dark ages (literally).
Hard to imagine that US, Russia, China and other bad actors do not know this, and that these weapons are not being developed, regardless of public denials.
Of course the US is, they just werent stupid enough to let it escape.
Virus is Chinese with American characteristics. And by American I mean Anthony Fauci.
The next major bioweapon virus release will be released at an airport near you.
The new variant jumped from pigs to birds to bats and then to diplomats.
Yes, the bioweapon is in all those empty shipping containers going back to China.