Former Obama-Biden federal scientist Dr. Steve Koonin declares his climate dissent

For background, here is an article by Dr. Koonin we published here.

Excellent interview with Steve Koonin given by Larry Kudlow.

HT/Climate Depot

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March 21, 2021 2:06 pm

One by one they slowly wake up.

Drake
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 21, 2021 5:31 pm

So he was not brought back for the Biden administration and has nothing to loose, so he speaks the truth. He was bought and paid for, and is now retired and unable to get the new job he waited 4 years to get.

Don’t praise this guy. This is no awakening. He is a leftist lying liar. He needs to be called out on it.

Richard M
Reply to  Drake
March 21, 2021 5:40 pm

No, he has been working steadily to debunk the climate narrative. Don’t jump to conclusions without any facts.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Richard M
March 21, 2021 8:10 pm

He does seem to be working harder to get more media coverage now that his Obama under-secretary paycheck isn’t at risk….well, good on him from here on…

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Roland F. Hirsch
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 22, 2021 2:58 pm

Not clear what you mean. His paycheck as Undersecretary for Science in the first Obama term was much less than he earned before joining the government, less than $200,000 compared to more than double that as provost at Caltech and science director at BP. And he left the Obama administration more than 8 years ago.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Roland F. Hirsch
March 23, 2021 5:34 pm

Clearly planning on making something more on his “true story” book, now that he is retired, than when he had to tone it down to keep a boss happy…

Anon
Reply to  Richard M
March 21, 2021 10:43 pm

Here is another video interview:

How Government Twists Climate Statistics

Former Energy Department Undersecretary Steven Koonin on how bureaucrats spin scientific data.

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-how-government-twists-climate-statistics/80027CBC-2C36-4930-AB0B-9C3344B6E199.html

It seems to me that he went into the Obama administration thinking that scientific truth would prevail over politics… then discovered some hard truths and has been responding to them in a measured fashion?

Mark Pawelek
Reply to  Richard M
March 22, 2021 3:31 am

Absolutely. If people want to make accusations against Dr Koonin they need to be specific (time / place / quotation). Speculating on other people’s motivations is also foolish. Especially as most of them seem to have conned themselves into their ideas. This kind of speculation on motive is very annoying – as activists do it to us all the time with “shill”.

Hans Henrik Hansen
Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 23, 2021 9:10 am

Quote from 2014:
“Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Steven Koonin, undersecretary for science at the Energy Department during Obama’s first term, said, yes, the climate is changing. And yes, humans are impacting the climate system, though only 1 to 2 percent of it. 
But he stated that most climate-change models not only missed the temperature flattening of the past 16 years, they do not capture a huge factor, like oceans, or water vapor, cloud formation, and rainfall. 
Koonin asked, “How will the climate change over the next century under both natural and human influences?” He admitted: Unsettled science. We just don’t know”
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/01/rfk-jrs-absurd-attack-on-koch-brotherscommentary.html

commieBob
Reply to  Drake
March 21, 2021 5:53 pm

I watched both halves of the interview. Where were the lies? Maybe I’m dumb but I didn’t detect a single lie.

S.K.
Reply to  commieBob
March 22, 2021 9:56 am

The only misinformation I detected was the claim the globe has warmed by 1 degree in the last century. The un-altered data suggests otherwise.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Drake
March 21, 2021 6:30 pm

”Lose” nothing to lose ffs.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 22, 2021 8:34 am

Well, in fairness, he did “loose” the truth… 🙂

Roger Knights
Reply to  Drake
March 22, 2021 4:23 am

Here’s a link to Koonin’s biography on Wikipedia. He’s had an outstanding career as a scientist and has provided, one assumes, for his retirement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Koonin Here’s an extract:

He left that post in November 2011 for a position at the Institute for Defense Analyses. On April 23, 2012, Koonin was named director of NYU‘s Center for Urban Science and Progress(CUSP).[10]
He has served on numerous advisory bodies for the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy and its various national laboratories, such as the JASON defense advisory group, which he has chaired.[11] Koonin’s research interests have included theoretical nuclear, many-body, and computational physics, nuclear astrophysics, and global environmental science.[12]

Roland F. Hirsch
Reply to  Drake
March 22, 2021 2:55 pm

Drake: You are incorrect. Steve Koonin was an honest Undersecretary for Science in the first Obama term, stating correctly in public the uncertainties about climate science.

He organized and led what is likely the best seminar on climate science ever held: Six of the best informed climate scientists spoke, including John Christy, Judith Curry, and Richard Lindzen on the “red team” and Bill Collins, Isaac Held and Ben Santer on the “blue team” The complete transcript, with presentations, is here:
140108001.SGNGL (aps.org)
Note: it is 573 pages, so quite comprehensive.

And it is ridiculous to say “He was bought and paid for”. His salary while Undersecretary was less than $200,000/year, less than half what he earned in his previous positions (including provost at Caltech).

Also, he left the Obama administration in 2012, and has held a fulltime position at New York University since then.

He has always been an honest and knowledgeable scientist.

Old.George
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 21, 2021 7:15 pm

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.” ― Charles MacKay

Loydo
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 21, 2021 8:44 pm

One by one they slowly wake up. LOLThe headline should be:
Former BP scientist Dr. Steve Koonin wants to sell his book. Any skeptics left? Hello…anyone?

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
March 21, 2021 11:21 pm

And loy-dodo CANNOT counter ONE WORD that was said.

Another WASTE-OF-SPACE, MEANINGLESS post from loy-dodo.

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fred250
Reply to  Loydo
March 21, 2021 11:25 pm

Perhaps YOU should buy the book ..

and ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING !

…. not going to happen, is it.

You just DON’T WANT TO KNOW.

Climate believer
Reply to  Loydo
March 22, 2021 12:47 am

Yes of course he wants to sell his book, this is what you do as an author, you go around promoting it, it’s normally part of the publishers deal… but you knew that.

So what do you want us to be skeptical about, his conclusions?

I imagine his book is a pretty tame, nuanced climate-realist viewpoint, shared by many on this site, but that involves being an adult about the subject, no need for millennial type hysterics.

You might want to invest a few bucks and let some light into that dark little corner you’ve painted yourself into.

Loydo
Reply to  Climate believer
March 22, 2021 1:42 am

I’m just pointing out there is more than one lens to view Koonin through. Painting him as a Democras and imagining he has “just woken up” is one way. A big oil shill is another way.

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fred250
Reply to  Loydo
March 22, 2021 1:57 am

No, you are just pointing out to EVERYBODY ..

.. that you have absolutely NO ARGUMENTS against any of the comments made in the videos.

Also you have NO EVIDENCE he is a shill of any sort.

He has SCIENTIFICALLY BACK FACTS

While you remain, as always, a science-free empty sock.

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
March 22, 2021 3:39 am

there is more than one lens to view Koonin through..

.
One based on REALITY and FACTS.

And the other on loy-dodo’s neurotic, brain-washed, zero-science, delusional, boogieman fantasies.

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philincalifornia
Reply to  Loydo
March 22, 2021 7:23 am

Well, you’re a shill for Big Moron Votes. Which is better – something that produces something of great use to humankind, or something that p!sses humankind’s wealth down the toilet.

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Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
March 22, 2021 4:16 am

Little Loydo has nothing left but ad hominem slurs.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 22, 2021 9:14 am

Steve Koonin has been active in this area for years. Everyone should read the APS transcript, of which he was the chairman. The APS brought together 3 sceptics and 3 pro-AGW scientists. I think that experience (on which he was neutral at the time) started him down the path that leads to where he is today.

See Judith Curry (one of the invited parties):

APS reviews its Climate Change Statement | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

The transcript is here:

https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/upload/climate-seminar-transcript.pdf

Really interesting reading, and because its on the record the pro-AGW lot have to speak truth.

Roland F. Hirsch
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
March 22, 2021 3:00 pm

Thank you for posting this. I did the same after you and apologize for not seeing your post earlier.

Robert of Texas
March 21, 2021 2:12 pm

Nice to see there are people out there who get it.

The two videos are the same…shouldn’t there be a part two?

March 21, 2021 2:21 pm

Koonin led the APU’s climate policy statement review a few years back, the one that earlier forced a Nobel prize winner to resign his membership. Judith was one of the interviewees and reported she was very impressed with him and his resulting report. There are older posts by her on this over at Climate Etc. APU did nothing with his team’s report, leading to his further dissatisfaction with the state of ‘settled’ climate science. Looks like he has arrived at full blown skepticism.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 21, 2021 2:40 pm

Went to CE, you find her posts under Koonin. And my bad, it is APS, not APU.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
March 21, 2021 2:30 pm

Looks like the rats are abandoning the ship. Maybe there is hope after all.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
March 21, 2021 2:41 pm

The amount of cheese being offered to rats willing to board the ship, still greatly exceeds the rats that are taking their cheese and abandoning the ship.

JEHILL
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
March 21, 2021 6:54 pm

There is no hope. We will slide backwards as a species for at least two centuries. Truly the best thing that could happen to planet Earth would a global event to return us to roughly the 1850’s. To end global communication for a bit. Get us back to more concrete and grounded thinking.

Watch your local news of 1st graders and 2nd graders in masks…

Tell me do those pictures inspire the courage and damn near reckless abandon we will need to become a space fairing species? Or even a species that is capable of operating flying POVs that on a large scale?

Or do they represent a slide backwards? A further brainwashing to the masses that governments and indeed now rulers know better…we must listen to the so-called authorities.

I have no joy stating the above.

In the beginning it was flatten the curve…

Now it is people saying I am getting the vaccine before they force me or, I don’t want die or I don’t want to get sick….does this sound like a
species with any amount of fortitude.

TonyG
Reply to  JEHILL
March 22, 2021 8:29 am

I have said for years that civilization is anti-evolutionary. It weakens the species. Your observations support that hypothesis.

CO2isLife
March 21, 2021 2:40 pm

I disagree that Global Temperatures have increased 1 Degree since 1900. Global Warming is due to a measurement issue, not a physical phenomenon.

How can I prove that?
1) I’ve posted on this website links to over 550 stations that show no warming since 1900. Here are just two.
Moscow U Of I (46.7281N, 116.9558W) ID:USC00106152
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_show_v4.cgi?id=USC00106152&ds=14&dt=1
Moscow (35.0711N, 89.4117W) ID:USC00406274
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_show_v4.cgi?id=USC00406274&ds=14&dt=1

2) If you control for Water Vapor and the UHI Effect you find no warming.
Alice Springs (23.8S, 133.88E) ID:501943260000
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_show_v3.cgi?id=501943260000&dt=1&ds=5

3) There are huge temperature differences between the N and S Hemisphere, Top 1/3rd, Middle 1/3rd, and Bottom 1/3rd, the Poles and Land and Sea. All are exposed to identical CO2. The lower 1/3rd over Water and South Pole shows basically no warming

4) CO2 increases at a near-linear trend, Temperature is nearly random and largely tied to the ocean temperatures

5) CO2 and LWIR between 13 and 18 Microns won’t warm the Oceans, you have to explain the warming of the oceans to explain the warming of the globe

Mr. Lee
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 21, 2021 3:03 pm

I’m not sure he believes it either. But he has to say it in order to placate the elites that would crush him if they felt he was getting too out of line.

fred250
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 21, 2021 5:40 pm

A lot of the surface station pseudo-increase is because of urban effects smeared all over the place, and unwarranted “adjustments”

El Ninos also create a pool of warmer surface water that then spreads out and takes a while to dissipate.

We see that in satellite measurements where successive solar force El Ninos have lifted the atmospheric temperature by a fraction of a degree.

We are now in La Nina territory.

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David Hartley
Reply to  fred250
March 22, 2021 10:30 am

I read somewhere (sorry it was just a comment skimmed past), that a fair number of stations are Zombie stations in that they are inoperative/readings no longer taken but have proxy figures assumed

Stan Sexton
March 21, 2021 2:41 pm

The Elites really don’t care about “Climate Change” except that it is another great way to control the people and make money. It’s also part of the Great Reset: “You’ll own nothing, and You’ll like it.”

Loydo
Reply to  Stan Sexton
March 23, 2021 10:13 pm

Who are “The Elites”? Are you talking about the wealthy elites? Like the 2,800 (0.00000004%) who are billionaire oligarchs? If you are talking about wealth, power and influence, this is who you are talking about. These individuals and their families have their hands on just about every lever: financial, political, legal, social.
They want everthing…except change; why would they, when BAU has made them so powerful.

RickWill
March 21, 2021 2:51 pm

Can again confirm that the warmest part of the oceans is 30C and the coldest -2C. Just like it was last week, a month ago, a year ago, 20 years ago and at the depths of the last glacial period.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp/orthographic=-206.55,-14.10,353/loc=154.024,-8.492

Anyone claiming that there has been warming over the last century clearly has little understanding of measurements systems. It has only been during the satellite era that there has been any form of consistent global measurement and they do not measure anything that relates directly to surface temperature.

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gbaikie
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 5:06 pm

“Anyone claiming that there has been warming over the last century clearly has little understanding of measurements systems. It has only been during the satellite era that there has been any form of consistent global measurement and they do not measure anything that relates directly to surface temperature.
The satellite temperature record indicates, warming, though it started from cooler period, but if count that record, one can’t say it started from cool period.

And if hasn’t warmed in last 100 years, then I suppose you don’t think the Little Ice Age was coldest period in thousands of years. Nor that for past 5000 years we had long gradual cooling period.
I think the warmest time of Holocene was prior to 5000 years ago, and even in this warmer part of our Holocene, our interglacial period has not been as warm as past interglacial periods, such the last one, called Eemian.

But of course I think the hockey stick was a fraud. It’s purpose was to erase the Little Ice Age, but everyone knows the LIA was cold. But if mean earth hasn’t warm in terms of thousands of years {which a couple warming periods} that seems about right, and if have few decades, rather than warming we may be just continuing the long cooling trend, but at this moment we might at a warmer time then in last couple thousand years- the lack of accurately of proxies allows this possibility. But doesn’t seem we currently as warm as it was more 5000 or more years ago {when the Sahara desert was green, the northern treeline was further towards the pole, and we had ice free polar ice in the summer}.
But even bigger picture, is we been in icehouse global climate for 34 million years, and last few million years has been the coldest during the Late Cenozoic Ice Age, that we still in.
The idea we leave this ice age is something no one believes is possible any time soon.
Or so far, we been in the coldest interglacial period, and only wild speculation claims it will 75,000 years before returning to a Glaciation period {or all wild idea about how much CO2 is going be added, and idea CO2 suppose to have unwarranted warming effect, could only delay a onset of a glaciation period. It seems to me, we going towards a glaciation period, but might take another 5000 years of cooling before becomes a serious issue. But also seems possible we could another thousand years of warming, and could get point of having ice free arctic sea ice in the summer. It seems 20 years ago, this was thought possible in next 50 years, but maybe now perhaps it could take another 60 years or more.
But in past interglacial we had ice free polar sea ice in the winter, and that seems to me to be unlikely in this interglacial period.
But we can hope for more greening with the Sahara desert.

RickWill
Reply to  gbaikie
March 21, 2021 6:01 pm

There is no way of knowing that the Earth’s surface has warmed over the last 100 years to the precision of 1 degree. No one was down in Antarctica taking systematic measurements over a grid 100 years ago.

If there is sea ice at both poles then the average surface temperature is in the middle of the maximum SST of 30C and the minimum SST at the poles of -2C. Average is 14C or 57F. Any claim to the contrary going back 100 years would not be based on a comprehensive measurement system. At best a few spot checks using different measurement techniques in a few land based locations and the occasion SST from a ship or two.

gbaikie
Reply to  RickWill
March 22, 2021 1:27 pm

“There is no way of knowing that the Earth’s surface has warmed over the last 100 years to the precision of 1 degree. No one was down in Antarctica taking systematic measurements over a grid 100 years ago.”

Yes there is not precision, but Antarctica is small area of the world. And central England temperature is even smaller part of the world, and the US is small part of the world. One could say US and small part of Canada has best temperature taking history which gives some clue of global temperatures.
But I would point to surface temperature of the ocean {70% of surface area} as largest poorly measured factor, and this lack of precise measurement extends into the present time.
The average surface temperature of the ocean is somewhere around 17 C and average temperature of land globally is about 10 C. And combined they average about 15 C.
Global air temperature is controlled by the ocean area which 70% of the planet. Or Ocean warms and land cools and 70% of atmosphere is over ocean. And when talking about tropical zone {gets most sunlight] about 80% of tropical zone is ocean area.
And tropical ocean {not tropical land} is heat engine of Earth.

Richard G.
Reply to  gbaikie
March 22, 2021 4:56 pm

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“please note: grey areas represent missing data”

I count 16 grid squares total for Antarctica. Coastal. For the whole continent! Not to mention Greenland. Coastal. Not to mention Africa! Or Siberia! Global temperature measurements are biased toward terrestrial sites. Marine measurements are lacking.

Climate science temperature records suck huevos. They are biased towards Human’s preferred habitat: Riparian and maritime (coastal) climates. That is where you find the thermometers.

RickWill
March 21, 2021 2:59 pm

Found this nice animation of the formation and annihilation of the 2016 El Nino:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/ElNino

Australia currently experiencing the consequence of the 2021 La Nina. Parts of the country that had little to no rain in 2019/20, have now seen up to 800mm over a couple of days. One house literally being washed away:
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/australia/australian-couple-left-devastated-as-house-washes-away-on-day-of-wedding-in-floods.html

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RickWill
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 3:17 pm

This is something that should be banned from Australian schools:
Ihttp://www.imagesaustralia.com/mycountry.htm

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror –
The wide brown land for me!

This contradicts the religious edict that the weather should always be balmy and could be thus if we stop using fossil fuels.

In 2020 Australia had the worst ever bush fires. In 2021 Australia has the worst ever floods. The only thing that has changed in my long life is the descriptor “worst ever”. It is a headline intended to garner attention and propaganda for a religious cult.

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Lrp
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 3:55 pm

Sydney dams will never fill again

fred250
Reply to  Lrp
March 21, 2021 4:28 pm

Glad I’m not in the Hawkesbury River region.

Warragamba Dam overflowing heavily.

Was in Newcastle the other day. it was VERY WET !

In Sutherland Shire at the moment.. its VERY WET !

Hope I can get home later in the week.

poly
Reply to  fred250
March 22, 2021 4:17 am

I heard Tim Flannery bought a property on the banks of the Hawkesbury River!

fred250
Reply to  fred250
March 21, 2021 4:53 pm

Real problems are the Castlereagh and Sackville Gorges that act as bottlenecks

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RickWill
Reply to  Lrp
March 21, 2021 4:55 pm

Andrew Bolt had a dig at Flim_Flan today over that prophecy from Australia’s high priest of Climatology.

Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 6:45 pm

ThorCon could provide Australia with a nice reactor that could desalinate seawater over night and free you from the whims of Nature. Give Lars a call and make a deal.

Brian
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 7:11 pm

As did Rowan Dean on Outsiders on Sunday morning. Actually, about 5 times during the show.

Lrp
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 10:11 pm

People like Flannery have no shame and no professional pride; still sucking at the taxpayer’s teat

Roger Knights
Reply to  RickWill
March 22, 2021 4:29 am

I’d love to have a link.

Alan
Reply to  Lrp
March 21, 2021 5:28 pm

Never is a very long time!

fred250
Reply to  Alan
March 21, 2021 7:14 pm

Except it was actually a very short time before flim-flam’s statement became provably NONSENSE. 🙂

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Lrp
March 22, 2021 4:21 am

yeah flimflams famous f up;-))
hes on lowlying shoreline on the river
hope his place is copping the floods too

Dennis
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 3:57 pm

The poem was written in 1904 …

Although she was raised in a professional urban family, Mackellar’s poetry is usually regarded as quintessential bush poetry, inspired by her experience on her brothers’ farms near Gunnedah, in the north-west of New South Wales. Her best-known poem is My Country, written at age 19[1]while homesick in England, and first published in the London Spectator in 1908 under the title Core of My Heart: the second stanza of this poem is among the best known in Australia. Four volumes of her collected verse were published: The Closed Door(published in 1911, contained the first appearance of My Country); The Witch Maid, and Other Verses (1914); Dreamharbour (1923); and Fancy Dress (1926). Wikipedia”

Noting that the Bureau of Meteorology Australia dismisses historic weather record data earlier than 1910.

The creatively accounted warming trend would be exposed as deceptive.

mikee
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 9:25 pm

“worst ever” = click bait!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  mikee
March 22, 2021 8:58 am

Along with “You’ll gasp…”

MarkH
Reply to  RickWill
March 22, 2021 3:37 am

We’ll all be roon’d, said Hanrahan!

Mr. Lee
March 21, 2021 3:01 pm

I suppose Koonin is going as far as he can without being canceled. He treads carefully by repeating that he is merely repackaging official information. So he understands that unauthorized views will not be tolerated. He cites the one degree doctrine as a token of deference to the left.
Perhaps his strategy is wise, as it will be impossible to deprogram the West overnight. So, bit by bit may be the way to go and there are already plenty of deplatformed voices speaking the truth, for those who wish to discover it.

Reply to  Mr. Lee
March 21, 2021 3:27 pm

Koonin is savvy. The best way to take this science fraud down is not to scream fraud. It is to grant them have some of their facts: for example, the truth that there has been some observationally provable natural warming since the end of the LIA. Attack anthropogenic attribution instead, as posted here several times before.

Best to only Attack the alarmist foundations of their ‘science predictions’. That is what Koonin appears to be doing. Examples include no sea level rise acceleration, thriving polar bears, and C3 plant greening. Plus the multiple technical impossibilities inside GND mitigation ‘solutions’.

Wim Röst
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 21, 2021 4:11 pm

Koonin makes a clear distinction between what Science learns and what politicians advocate. An important plus.

March 21, 2021 3:06 pm

Good for Kudlow to bring Koonin on his show.
Koonin has an impeccable physics reputation. Did not know he has his new book out. That is a big deal. Just bought it as an ebook. Look forward to learning about his journey to climate science skepticism, amusingly here citing the famous Princess Bride line.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 21, 2021 3:15 pm

For reference, is available on Kindle now as a pre-order, publishing for delivery April 27. Not yet available on iBooks cause Apple doesn’t pre-orders. Cheap at $8.99, same as my now 3 ebooks available in both ‘stores’.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 21, 2021 3:21 pm

Thanks Rud – I will buy it

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n.n
March 21, 2021 3:21 pm

A basket of energy products, selected in context, for purpose and efficacy. A chaotic (“evolutionary”) system, which is incompletely, and, in fact, insufficiently, characterized, and computationally unwieldy. He may be indulging liberal license with the 1 degree global statistic over a century. Otherwise, on the mark.

April…. March 21.

As an aside, congratulation to your son[-in-law] and daughter[in-law] on their forthcoming child, your grand child (“our Posterity”).

One step forward, one step froward.

Sara
March 21, 2021 3:46 pm

Ummm…. what? Another one is leaving “the fold”???

With Iceland’s newest volcano burping away right now, and looking like a prolonged squawk of possibly many years (like the last one, lasted 30 years), does this mean that things won’t favor the greenbeaners and their greedy, soulless political animals????

I’m (not) shocked! And really, I’m kind of hoping for another volcano, since Etna is joining the Icelandic baby in prolonged eruptions. Might give us cooler summers and more rain and keep food on our plates…. or something like that.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Sara
March 21, 2021 4:44 pm

No, the timing is bad, with AMO set to flip, if there are some big eruptions the Piltdown Mann will claim he was right that there is no AMO, just humans make it go up volcanos make it go down

Wim Röst
March 21, 2021 4:13 pm

The videos contain important points of view. Anyone who wants to make a correct transcript? That would be great!

fred250
March 21, 2021 4:30 pm

They keep using the words “get through this”

Get through WHAT ! ?

CO2 is NOT A PROBLEM

Coal is NOT A PROBLEM

ResourceGuy
Reply to  fred250
March 21, 2021 4:51 pm

Get through the interglacial perhaps.

RickWill
Reply to  fred250
March 21, 2021 4:52 pm

The way China is using coal; Africa and India increasing and with the largest reserves all but locked up in USA and Australia, coal could be a problem within this century.

fred250
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 5:49 pm

Africa has a good deal of coal and gas in places..

And lots of places where they haven’t really looked yet..

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alexei
Reply to  fred250
March 21, 2021 6:21 pm

“And lots of places where they haven’t really looked yet…..”

Do not fret. The Chinese are piling into Africa, eager to assist development.

fred250
Reply to  alexei
March 21, 2021 7:15 pm

“eager to assist development”

And to find new regions for population.

Drake
Reply to  RickWill
March 21, 2021 6:29 pm

I remember the oil embargo and all the coal ships in the Chesapeake bay waiting to be filled at Newport News to ship to Japan and the rest of the world.

The rail lines are still there and lots of coal in VA WVa etc still.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  fred250
March 21, 2021 4:55 pm

If truth be known, humans have never experienced such a truly Goldilocks period in our entire history. Whatever standard one cares to assess our lives by comes up better than ever before … almost no famine, lowest mortality from natural catastrophe, best climate overall … everything is looking better “than expected.” There is virtually nothing to complain about.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Rory Forbes
March 21, 2021 5:02 pm

But that is why it’s so bad
Because it’s so good

It must be bad.
Right?

Meanwhile idiot OToole will sink the conservatives giving moron boy another 4 years to destroy canada

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
March 21, 2021 6:39 pm

Meanwhile idiot OToole will sink the conservatives giving moron boy another 4 years to destroy canada

I just listened to that idiot yesterday, for the first time. I was appalled that he’s lost the plot completely. They’ve all succumbed to the warmulist progressives. You’re right, boy wonder will get another 4 years to screw things up. Liberals are getting increasingly “woke” and the Conservatives have forgotten who their voters are.

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ResourceGuy
March 21, 2021 4:48 pm

Biden will attempt to pursue chaos for donor groups until it becomes obvious to most people that the wheels are coming off as at the border, or states rights, or job killing, or inflation fires. But of course friendly (bought) media groups will be the last to report it. Climate is a vast policy stage for many actors and large props. The show can go on for a long time before a wheel even begins to wobble.

Pat from kerbob
March 21, 2021 5:00 pm

Hmmm, NY university?
Has anyone checked in with him since this was recorded, is he still on the right side of the grass ?

Richard M
March 21, 2021 5:50 pm

I believe he’s another luke-warmer. He understands some of the negative feedbacks and the benefits to agriculture. Will need to read his book to know more.

fred250
March 21, 2021 7:06 pm

He mentions Volcanic activity

How about Seismic activity..

Have I mentioned the tight correlation between ocean seismic activity and atmospheric temperatures?

(Note: seismic activity is lagged two year)

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And if it is a predictor… well let’s see what happens.

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Around mid-late 2020 we may get a start of a drop in temperature….. hmmmm !!

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March 21, 2021 7:08 pm

Some folk won’t accept any talk of fraud and conspiracy however much can be found, Koonin can get to them with a moderate narrative that challenges alarmism. Rather like Lomborg who talks so much sense on the cost-benefit of current strategies but still thinks that problems will emerge over 50 or 100 years.

My laymans guide to climate and energy issues is ready to go to press, it takes the high ground from the start with a chapter on the environmental impact of RE strategies.
Then I got into energy issues on the ground that we can win the energy issues in public debate in the way that we can’t win the climate science argument in public because practically nobody has enough science on board or the motivation to bone up on it.

Our Champions of Energy Realism website is almost ready to go live, don’t worry about the glitches, they are being fixed as we speak, this is to show the general line of march. These were written in the format of briefing notes for politicians – more are in progress. https://www.riteon.org.au/netzero-casualties/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rafe Champion
March 22, 2021 7:05 am

Lomborg should stop saying CO2 is a problem until he actually knows that it is.

There is no evidence that CO2 is a problem. Lomborg is engaging in unsubstantiated speculation.

markl
March 21, 2021 7:30 pm

You can hide the truth for only so long.

fred250
March 21, 2021 7:34 pm

Base Load = GAS, NUCLEAR and COAL.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with modern COAL.

The CO2 released is totally beneficial to the whole planet.

Other real pollutants can be minimised or removed almost completely.

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Kit P
Reply to  fred250
March 22, 2021 10:56 am

I agree! Working in nuclear power I was anti-coal until about 20 years ago. Modern coal has come a long way.

SAMURAI
March 21, 2021 9:11 pm

Real Un-Woke scientists are slowly coming around to the fact that CAGW is already a disconfirmed hypothesis,

The inane “existential threat” claims made by CAGW alarmist is quickly becoming laughable, especially as we approach the PDO & AMO ocean cycles reentering their respective 30-year cool cycles.

The historic NH cold temperature records that were brokenthis winter certainly are not helping CAGW alarmists’ case that the earth will be uninhabitable in 10 years from CAGW….

if the next El Niño is weak and the next La Niña is strong, many more real scientists will start expressing serious doubt of the CAGW hypothesis.

I also think real scientists are becoming seriously concerned over the woke cancel culture that’s getting worse and worse in academia…

The philosophical debate the between cogito, ergo sum vs. sentio, ergo est is becoming quite heated…

March 22, 2021 12:02 am

Dr Tim Ball – Historical Climatologist
http://www.generalistjournal.com

Book ‘The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science’.

Book “Human Caused Global Warming”, ‘The Biggest Deception in History’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzpPXuASY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO08Hhjes_0

https://www.technocracy.news/dr-tim-ball-on-climate-lies-wrapped-in-deception-smothered-with-delusion/

fretslider
March 22, 2021 4:18 am

It’s no different in the UK

People only speak out when no longer in office or post.

Until that changes….

peter marsh
March 22, 2021 4:24 am

“men it has been well said think in herds and move in herds but come to their senses slowly one by one” charles mackay Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

March 22, 2021 5:57 am

I have created a new line which is based on the records of climate, that anyone can check, in GISP2 and other proxies variously available since 2000 or so, after the un disprovable lie was created and became subject to test by observation. Here is my line..

“The records from ice cores and other verifiable proxies prove today’s temperature’s are cooler than the warmer temperatures that prior warm cycles established at the increasingly warmer peaks of the Empires of the Vikings and Mongols, Romans (1 deg) and Minoans (2 deg warmer). Before cooling again, in a regular cycle of around 1,000years.

If there is time…. the (self evident) analysis is:

  1. Nothing unusual extreme is happening in measured fact, per the facts of observations since records really began.
  2. Nothing negative happened, civilisations were most productive, and no tipping points occurred.
  3. Mainly because the oceans control the climate, that CO2 has a small effect on the lapse rate within the overall control of the planetary system.
  4. The assertions of politicians are simply false in fact, and simply assert what is in fact natural change is man made to justify other objectives than “saving the planet”
  5. The planet is fine in measured fact, just not per activists with agendas predicting disaster that isn’t happening using fictional models.
  6. This is not something that justifies politicians wasting $Trillions damaging the World’s most energy dependent economies in the West based on no actual scientific evidence of a problem, when China is doing the opposite – in emissions fact. Which has always been the UN’s stated plan, since Maurice Strong created the UN IPCC and Agenda 21, using natural change to attack energy use in the Western World, but before the evidence of this change as a natural cycle was available to expose the deceit behind the politics.

Perhaps it’s time the truth of real science was told to the people. Observations disprove theories, and models too. “If the observations don’t match the theory, it’s wrong.” Feynman 101.

S.K.
March 22, 2021 10:21 am

There are 3 basic climate science principles:

1) Climate science is in it’s absolute infancy and the science community has little or no data on or understanding of the 24 highly integrated and complex systems that drive our climate.

2) The climate is too complex to model or predict. The present models are inadequate and extremely inaccurate and any organization that believes they have the ability to model/predict future climate are naive at best.

3) The inherent complexity ensures the climate will always be changing nothing man does impacts that.

The science community needs extensive un-altered temperature, precipitation, wind and water vapour data from the oceans, ice caps, tundra, forests, mountains, grasslands and deserts.

From a galactic perspective they need to continue to collect solar radiation and magnetic field data. And don’t forget the on going contributions of the palaeontology and associated disciplines.

More sound and reliable data and less propaganda/fear mongering. is needed to begin this exciting journey of discovery.

Kit P
March 22, 2021 12:32 pm

I had to look up ‘existential threats’.

After listening to Koonin and his use of the word ‘innovation’, I do not think he knows what it means.

An example of innovation would be the the idea of using fission to make electricity.

Innovation to solve a non-problem or a perceived problem.

The US power industry does not have a problem producing and distributing the finite amount of power.

Innovation is not consumer groups, intervenors, public utility commissions, and various politicians telling power companies how to make electricity.

ResourceGuy
March 22, 2021 12:34 pm

It looks like Sen. Schumer is signaling his climate dissent also with his push back against FEMA flood insurance overhaul and changes in flood insurance rates.

Steve Z
March 23, 2021 11:41 am

Koonin sounds rather reasonable. I wonder if anybody in the Biden administration will listen to him, or will Biden keep writing executive orders to shut down pipelines and oil-drilling leases?

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