NATO chief suggests battle tanks with solar panels as militaries go green

From The National

Here’s a fun one.

Nato should examine how it can power tanks and jets with alternative energy, such as solar panels, to reduce its carbon emissions, the alliance’s secretary general said.

Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would also make troops less vulnerable to attack because they would not have to rely on long supply lines getting fuel to the front line, Jens Stoltenberg said.

The Nato chief suggested that militaries should advance research into low-emitting vehicles because of the advantages they bring, at an online seminar titled New Ideas for Nato 2030.

“Nato should do its part to look into how we can reduce emissions from military operations,” he told the Chatham House event. “We know that heavy battle tanks or fighter jets and naval ships consume a lot of fossil fuel and emit greenhouse gases and therefore we have to look into how we can reduce those emissions by alternative fuels, solar panels or other ways of running our missions.”

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/nato-chief-suggests-battle-tanks-with-solar-panels-as-militaries-go-green-1.1160313

Best line in the story.

He told the seminar that his background as a UN envoy on climate change helped with the proposals.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/nato-chief-suggests-battle-tanks-with-solar-panels-as-militaries-go-green-1.1160313

Willis commented about this news story on social media thusly

The stupid, it burns … an M1 tank gets 0.6 mpg. A gallon of diesel contains ~ 40 kWh of energy. A solar panel puts out ~ 1 kWh per day. A solar panel is about 17 sq. ft. You MIGHT fit four of them on an M1 tank without impairing the weapons and sensors. Then you’d need four Tesla Powerwall batteries, weight half a ton.With that setup, every ten days you could move your tank 0.6 miles …w.

The GWPF also covered this story with this excellent cartoon by Josh.

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David
February 14, 2021 7:47 am

“Nato should examine how it can power tanks and jets with alternative energy, such as solar panels, to reduce its carbon emissions, the alliance’s secretary general said.”

This man should be mercilessly mocked for this statement until he resigns in disgrace. A combat loaded M1A2 Abrams weighs in at around 69.5 tons. It’s expected to climb hills and crash through obstacles like trees and buildings, and it’s expected to do it quickly. This cannot be done without burning large quantities of fuel. The M60A1 that I used to drive had a fuel capacity of about 380 gallons and burned about one gallon per mile. To achieve the same range the fuel capacity of the current M1 has been increased to about 500, and the power derived from 500 gallons of Diesel is never going to be replaced by solar. It’s frightening to think that someone with so little common sense is able to rise to such a position within NATO. I’m seriously worried about our future.

Brian BAKER
February 14, 2021 7:49 am

The fantastic military qualifications for Secretary-General who is Norwegian, the country that was neutral up until the Germans thought otherwise. The CV of Jens Stoltenberg (almost like cake) is: From Wiki, Jens Stoltenberg (born 16 March 1959) is a Norwegian politician who has been serving as the 13th secretary general of NATO since 2014.[1][2] A member of the Labour Party, he was Prime Minister of Norway from 2000 to 2001 and from 2005 to 2013.
In 2011, Stoltenberg received the United Nations Foundation‘s Champion of Global Change Award, chosen for his extraordinary effort toward meeting the Millennium Development Goals and bringing fresh ideas to global problems.[3]
The mission of Jens Stoltenberg as secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was extended for another two years. He is set to lead NATO until 2022 So you can see he is fantastically qualified to lead NATO militarily. One of the by-products pushed by the greens is world government as a way of stopping war. The tank’s weight with the batteries could only be compensated by removing the ordinance and even then hope that the opposition would pull back out of range and wait until the batteries are exhausted. This is based on the analysis of the Tesla Semi undertaken by Carnegie Mellon who calculated that an electric truck would never replace a large HGV as the overall weight would be double that of conventional diesel. That is twice the limits imposed by governments to safeguard their road infrastructure. But that doesn’t matter to the greens as their primary aim is to demilitarise the West. Can’t see China or Russia signing on for this, besides NATO Secretary-General is a political appointment.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Brian BAKER
February 14, 2021 12:34 pm

So, your are saying that he is an example of the Peter Principle in action!

February 14, 2021 7:50 am

So, from the quotes given in the the above article, we now know that qualifications to become NATO secretary general do NOT include having an IQ above room temperature.

alastair gray
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 14, 2021 8:27 am

But only in Centigrade. Fahrenheit woud flatter them

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  alastair gray
February 14, 2021 10:32 am

They did it in Kelvin, so they all think they’re friggin’ geniuses.

CD in Wisconsin
February 14, 2021 7:52 am

I can see it now: NATO forces sending a message to the enemy asking them to hold off on starting the pending battle for a few hours while solar batteries are recharging on NATO’s battle tanks. Even worse, NATO’s forces might have to ask to cancel the battle because the sun isn’t shining.

If NATO’s winning of a battle (and a war) starts depending on whether the sun is shining, NATO can hang it up as a military alliance. If Installing battery re-chargers on the battlefield becomes a necessary prerequisite for NATO’s success on the battlefield and in war, then a lot of NATO’s leadership needs to resign.

They can all write a book on how to wreck the military.

Tom
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
February 14, 2021 8:09 am

A few hours? More like a few weeks; if it’s summer and sunny.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Tom
February 14, 2021 10:33 am

Maybe the battles are all downhill.

February 14, 2021 7:56 am

“NATO chief suggests battle tanks with solar panels as militaries go green”
News flash: “Young Chinese boy with a catapult disables an advancing UK tank formation!”

Reply to  Peter Wilson
February 14, 2021 8:03 am

Further newsflash: “This same UK tank formation is lost in the dark!”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Peter Wilson
February 14, 2021 10:34 am

Correction on page 23: “The catapult was actually a slingshot. Ok, just a largish rock.”

MarkW
Reply to  Peter Wilson
February 14, 2021 2:52 pm

Catapult?? Sling shot!!

ResourceGuy
February 14, 2021 7:58 am

Okay, so add WW3 as an unintended consequence of the Climate Crusades.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 14, 2021 9:44 am

Wait a minute! . . . haven’t we known for some time now that all wars are the result climate change . . . and only climate change?

/sarc off

February 14, 2021 8:02 am

Or just wave a white flag

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Redge
February 14, 2021 9:12 am

Or drepeau blanc if you will.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 14, 2021 10:13 am

mais oui

Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 14, 2021 11:51 am

mais non, drapeau blanc.

Tom
February 14, 2021 8:05 am

Russia and China are loving this. The West are destroying their own economies and their defense forces. In 10 years Russia or China can waltz right in with a ‘liberating’ force for any random reason.

markl
February 14, 2021 8:16 am

A good example of why AGW is so entrenched. People actually believe the world can run on solar panels and wind generators. And the MSM perpetuates that nonsense/propaganda.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  markl
February 14, 2021 12:38 pm

MSM: Know nothing wordsmiths with an agenda.

Billy
February 14, 2021 8:33 am

In my country the military high command are traitors an political bag lickers. There is lots of that in Nato.
Short lengths of rope are needed.

John Kelly
February 14, 2021 8:49 am

This is full on stupidity. No wonder China is winning.

Alan
February 14, 2021 8:57 am

In a combat zone, how are going to camouflage a tank, or other military vehicle? You’re gonna have to put solar panels out in the open to get enough sunlight. Perfect target. Also, the military needs to be ready to move in a heartbeat. “Sorry, general I’d love to come and save your but. All my tanks are down till sunrise and then it’ll be a couple hours till they’re recharged. Good luck.”

Sal Minella
Reply to  Alan
February 14, 2021 9:22 am

We won’t need the tanks or a ground-war at all if we just use solar-powered nukes and wind-powered missiles, some of which can be launched from our wind-powered subs. Actually the subs don’t even need wind-power; we can just mount a water-powered turbine on the bow and generate power as we go.

Richard Page
Reply to  Alan
February 14, 2021 10:49 am

I think you have underestimated the tank designers – of course the tank won’t just have the solar panels as primary means of propulsion – there will be a set of pedals for each of the crew in the tank! sarc

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2021 12:40 pm

Maybe they could add a turbocharger made from exercise wheels and a box full of hamsters or gerbils.

Detengineer
February 14, 2021 9:12 am

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Sigh….

Reply to  Detengineer
February 14, 2021 9:38 am

Then somewhere on the road a civilian dropped into 2nd place.

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Jim
February 14, 2021 9:36 am

All this Global Warming Goodness has had a very serious mental effect on many, and they gravitate remarkably well.

D Cage
February 14, 2021 9:55 am

Just imagine the “I say chaps here come the tanks so put up the smokescreen and lie low for five minutes When they run out of battery we can wipe them out. Just remember keep clear of the pointy thing at the top they can’t turn without power and you will be fine. ” People forget green was just shorthand for cabbage brains. Nothing seems to have changed.

Kevin kilty
February 14, 2021 10:02 am

Maybe this is an error of translation here. Perhaps he means to use EV tanks as part of a stationary artillery battery — tanks that fire from a fixed location.

Richard Page
Reply to  Kevin kilty
February 14, 2021 10:55 am

Fire? Oh dear me no. Firing any form of firearm or larger calibre weapon releases dangerous levels of CO2 into the atmosphere don’t you know. The military will have to turn over every single round that uses CO2 producing propellant or explosives. sarc.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2021 12:43 pm

And nitrous oxides!

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2021 7:11 pm

No problem. Potpuff Research Institute (PRI) announced today their new Carbon Capture / Recycling Artillery Project (CCRAP), a carbon neutral system for modern armies in which propellant exhaust products from guns can be 100% captured, compressed, and stored in underground caverns.

2hotel9
Reply to  Kevin kilty
February 14, 2021 11:00 am

Solar powered artillery? That is supposed to be better than solar powered tanks?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Kevin kilty
February 14, 2021 11:13 am

The Maginot Line worked so well in WWII.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
February 14, 2021 7:19 pm

Not a single German made it through the Maginot Line. It worked great.

2hotel9
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
February 16, 2021 4:09 am

You are correct! They went over and around.

leowaj
Reply to  Kevin kilty
February 14, 2021 12:35 pm

Stationary artillery is already a thing. Has been for hundreds of years. And, better yet, those Howitzers are already “climate friendly” because they use batteries to power their electronics and hydraulics. So even if the translation were off, it still makes no sense.

Richard Page
Reply to  leowaj
February 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Artillery that remains stationary on a modern battlefield is strictly a ‘one shot weapon’ – counterbattery fire will make scrap out of them in short order. There is a good reason why most modern artillery is self propelled, and they rigorously practice shoot ‘n’ scoot – it’s the only way they can survive.

Oh and yes – they do use batteries, as do all military vehicles; they need to be regularly recharged by using the main engine so no more climate friendly than any other military vehicle.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2021 7:22 pm

NOTE TO NATO: If Putin offers to winterize your vehicle batteries, just say no. Thought someone ought to warn you about that.

Philip
February 14, 2021 10:05 am

We seem to be going from frantic end of times to farcical future deployment.
Not the improvement its supposed to represent. 😒

KT66
February 14, 2021 10:05 am

As stupid as it is, the things we hear from the greens everyday are just as stupid. This stupidity at this level of stupidity all started with the phrase; “Yes we can” back in 2008.

John Tillman
Reply to  KT66
February 14, 2021 10:25 am

Ripped off from 1972’s “¡Si, se puede!”.

David Blenkinsop
February 14, 2021 10:12 am

I can’t help but think here of Elon Musk’s promotion of all electric long distance trucking. Significant people, experts even, appear to be buying into the trucking thing, despite the prospect of his new rigs having a very large battery volume and weight compared to the fuel on a regular truck of any kind of similar range. Presumably now, this NATO fellow has in mind some sort of Musk style tanks which are to run forever with no maintenance, and have magical near weightless long range batteries?

niceguy
February 14, 2021 10:30 am

Can’t tell if “enemy” is from Saab or Dassault?
(And why would Macron and the EU not also force those to do green?)

Mike Lyons
February 14, 2021 10:30 am

So all infantry needs to do is shoot the solar panels to disable the thing? Brilliant.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mike Lyons
February 14, 2021 12:45 pm

No, the panels will be kept inside the tank, protected by the armor. I have seen the design produced by a Green committee.

February 14, 2021 10:37 am

Why not sugest using warp drive and phasers and photon torpedos? An M1 Abrams needs more than 1Mw. IF we had a 30% efficient solar panel which produces about 300 watts per square meter we would need more than 3,300 square meters of solar panels on a bright sunny day, per tank! A tesla battey with a max of capacity of 100 kWh could power a tank for no more than 6 minutes!

David Hartley
February 14, 2021 10:47 am

Play merry hell with the armours defence system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_protection_system

REMFS.

2hotel9
February 14, 2021 10:57 am

Really? An openly socialist anti-war protestor is running NATO? As Willis so aptly said, the stupid, it burns.

n.n
February 14, 2021 11:10 am

They go Green as in blight, as in environmental arbitrage, as in sociopolitical myths, for laundered, renewable greenbacks. Not green as in vegetation, as in carbon dioxide-driven photosynthesis, as in hydrocarbon nutrients. Green is in democratic suffrage patterns, notably inclusive in their support for wars without borders, transnational terrorism, redistributive and retributive change, and catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform (CAIR). I wonder if Biden will recycle Obama’s Iraq War 2.0 or greater Middle East, Africa, Europe, and Asia wars and elective coups forcing CAIR.