US Rejoins Paris Agreement.

This email received from the White House Press Office this evening.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
January 20, 2020

ACCEPTANCE ON BEHALF OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

I, Joseph R. Biden Jr., President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the Paris Agreement, done at Paris on December 12, 2015, do hereby accept the said Agreement and every article and clause thereof on behalf of the United States of America.
 
Done at Washington this 20th day of January, 2021.

JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.

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TEWS_Pilot
January 20, 2021 10:12 pm

‘It’s illegal for Biden to rejoin Paris Climate scam’…Biden Cannot Legally Get Us Back Into the Paris Climate Accords; Here’s Why…HOWEVER, this requires the Senate Republicans to block ratification.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/19/biden-cannot-legally-get-us-back-into-the-paris-climate-accords-heres-why-n1393996

Joe Biden has made no secret of his intention to get us back into the Paris climate accords. It’s high up there on his laundry list of things to do upon taking office—even though the United States leads the world in reducing carbon emissions, despite not being a part of it anymore.

But the truth is, the United States was never actually legally a part of the Paris climate accords. The United Nations describes it as “a legally binding international treaty on climate change,” and it also meets the definition of a treaty under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, which states that a treaty is “an international agreement concluded between [two or more] States in written form and governed by international law.”

And what does the United States Constitution say about treaties?

It says that the president “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur.” It’s right there in Article II, Section 2, Clause 2.

Bryan A
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 20, 2021 10:21 pm

So, basically, sounds like it could be railroaded through IF only 50 senators are in attendance at the time and 2/3 of those present agree

Eb Mix-O'Lydian
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 12:39 am

There’s no “treaty” to rejoin. It was always an “agreement”, so all Biden has to do is say “We’re back!” and everyone goes home happy. It’s all just virtue signaling and a harmless exercise in back slapping.

George Daddis
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 6:07 am

It’s not just harmless backslapping if Joe follows Obama’s lead and starts dumping taxpayer dollars into the fund for redistribution.

Rick C
Reply to  George Daddis
January 21, 2021 9:24 am

Actually OBiden doesn’t have tax-payer dollars to dump. It will have to be borrowed dollars – probably from China – which will go into the UN Green Energy Fund to be passed on to developing countries – like China. So, we’ll borrow money from China to be given to China so they can expand their production of solar panels and wind turbines which they will sell to us at a huge profit. Of course China’s industry will still be powered mostly by coal. There’s a model of sustainability for you.

Bryan A
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 7:25 am

Anything which requires oversight by a foreign/International governing body (UN, NATO, UNFCCC etc.) Or demands a transfer of funding to remain viable IS A TREATY and must be ratified by Both Houses to be in force. Otherwise it is just the act of yet another oligarch stealing power from the masses

Pat Frank
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 8:37 am

His ideology doth magnify his stupidity.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 9:04 am

E M-O’L posted: “It’s all just virtue signaling and a harmless exercise in back slapping.”

Well, that’s only if the US doesn’t commit to spending untold $billions in support of this fairy tale, fighting a demon that has never been shown, scientifically and objectively, to exist.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 1:32 pm

Eb: go back and read the parent post more carefully.

stinkerp
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 11:29 pm

You are absolutely right. Like most Leftist “accomplishments” it’s all posturing and nonsense. It’s not a “treaty”. It never was. No nations who have joined the Paris Agreement act like it’s a binding treaty. It’s purely symbolic, but it’s yet more confirmation of the direction Biden plans to go. No surprise because he’s been braying about it for a long time. The real damage is all the other stuff he’s doing like rescinding fracking permits on federal land, devoting resources to the mythical battle to ‘reverse’ “climate change”, appeasing the lawless, and so on.

starzmom
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 10:42 am

The Senate need not take it up. So Biden can implement the terms, with no treaty, and the next president can undo it again. The best thing would have been for the Senate to reject it soundly when they had the chance. Wouldn’t have meant that Biden would be unable to follow the terms but there would be a record, and the only way to undo the rejection would be to have another vote in the Senate.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 20, 2021 10:59 pm

And the Constitution is still relevant because?

marlene
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 20, 2021 11:40 pm

“Remarkably, the country that did most to reduce its emissions is one that never signed the Paris pact. Thanks to a remarkable oil and natural gas fracking revolution, in 2019 America led the entire world in reducing CO2 emissions”  So he will force us to pay for a carbon footprint we DON’T HAVE!
 
“What climate activists fail to comprehend and President Trump understood — is that a policy that promotes a massive expansion of U.S. domestic energy production is one of the best safeguards against engaging in “an endless parade” of wars and interventions over energy supplies”

griff
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 21, 2021 12:25 am

And in effect all that doesn’t matter: the US is effectively back in and the administration will act accordingly

David Kamakaris
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 6:10 am

Griff, what will be the resulting effect upon the climate from the USA rejoining the most ridiculous act of virtue signaling in the history of Western, Eastern, Northern, and Southern Civilization ….. err ….. I mean the Paris Climate Accord?

Cosmic
Reply to  David Kamakaris
January 21, 2021 2:04 pm

Let me answer for grifter…NOTHING!

DonM
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 9:51 am

Griff: “The legal aspect doesn’t matter, and the administration will do what it wants to …”

Griff, you ignorant slut…

TonyG
Reply to  DonM
January 21, 2021 10:58 am

I think griff has it exactly right this time. Why bother doing it legally when nobody will hold you to account for doing otherwise?

Editor
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 9:56 am

You show ignorance of how Treaties are passed in America, Biden is bypassing the Constitutional process with an unlawful executive order.

MarkW
Reply to  Sunsettommy
January 21, 2021 12:38 pm

It’s not ignorance, it’s actually a total lack of concern. He wins, that’s the only thing that matters to him.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Sunsettommy
January 21, 2021 6:36 pm

And it probably won’t be the last unlawful executive order unless the Senate grows a spine.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 12:37 pm

Why am I not surprised to find out that griff couldn’t care less about whether Biden is following the law and the US constitution.

There’s a planet to save, we can’t be bothered with laws or foolish morality.

Cosmic
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 2:06 pm

I know, look at it out there, I mean…um….it’s weather dammit! Now if I just turn this dial a bit and this one the other way a bit I can make it nice out every day! Right grifter?

Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 1:50 pm

The unconstitutional over-reach and economic destruction at the altar of Climate Virtue will be the Democrats’ undoing at the next election. Just like ObamaCare was in 2010.

MfK
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 21, 2021 5:25 pm

Not when they can, as they have demonstrated, steal elections at will with impunity. The United States of America is now under one-party rule.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 21, 2021 6:39 pm

Joel
ObamaCare is still with us and is being resuscitated by the Democrats! I hope you are right, but I’m not as optimistic about things being righted by an enlightened electorate.

Cosmic
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 2:04 pm

Great. We are in control of climate aren’t we grifter? We can make it colder can’t we. We are so strong and virtuous. (spit!!)

cedarhill
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 21, 2021 5:08 am

Short term memory lesson. Obama signed onto the agreement. He refused to submit it to the Senate. Then, under smoke and mirrors and EOs, etc., he began implementing it. The salient points of Biden’s more is:

  1. Will SCOTUS even hear a challenge to actions taken under guise of Paris? Who even has “standing” to challenge in Federal Courts?
  2. Congress has delegated so much to the Executives to make regs, etc.,(“findings”) Biden’s group can implement most of Paris on top of existing laws and delegations of authority.

And, perhaps most importantly, the Left really does have the votes in the Senate if they wish. Examine the vote on budgets under Trump. Every single one had the votes to override a Presidential veto. And, on the one budget bill actually vetoed, it was easily overridden.

Which means, imho, the Biden Administration will simply wave Paris while dramatically increases regulations and the courts will rule “atta Biden” since they’ll be using existing laws and simply use Paris as a line item as part of their findings.

Never forget, SCOTUS says CO2 is a pollutant.

old engineer
Reply to  cedarhill
January 22, 2021 10:16 am

cedarhill-

SCOTUS says CO2 is a pollutant.”

It is my understanding that SCOTUS did NOT say that CO2 was a pollutant. What they said was that the EPA had the legal authority to declare CO2 a pollutant. They ruled on the law, not the science.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 21, 2021 9:19 am

Remember these words, verbatim from Biden’s inaugural address, made just yesterday:
“And I pledge this to you, I will be a president for all Americans, all Americans.”?

Apparently Joe didn’t keep up with the teleprompter that actually streamed the following text:
“And I pledge this to you, I will be a president for all Americans, all Americans except for those that believe in the Constitution and those that don’t agree with my way of thinking.”

MarkW
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
January 21, 2021 12:40 pm

Obama stated several times that he considered himself the president of “his people”.

MarkW
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
January 21, 2021 12:41 pm

As they have demonstrated over the last few weeks, progressives consider anyone who opposes them to be a traitor. And obviously, traitors aren’t real Americans.

Cosmic
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
January 21, 2021 2:08 pm

Sickening.

TonyG
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 21, 2021 10:56 am

Or he can just “follow the agreement” and not bother ratifying it. Who will stop him?

WR2
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
January 21, 2021 11:39 am

Seems to me like Biden rejoined the Paris agreement, not the US.

Alastair gray
January 20, 2021 10:12 pm

R I P U S A

Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:12 pm

Won’t make a skerrick of difference, but reversing anything Trump did can’t hurt.

Bryan A
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:18 pm

Loydo,
In what country do you reside?

Loydo
Reply to  Bryan A
January 20, 2021 11:10 pm

Best one in the world cobber.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 11:27 pm

You’re no American, Bruce. You’re from China’s warehouse.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 11:38 pm

So why are you so dim? Well done, India. 🤣

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 1:40 am

“Best one in the world”

.

Yet all you do is whine and moan like a petulant little schoolchild who’s “feelings” have been hurt..

Life has been SO UNFAIR to you, hasn’t it, you poor little wretch.

Last edited 8 months ago by fred250
Editor
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 5:51 am

loydo

I assume you are a ozzie? Bad luck on the test with India. Good game. Australia is one of the worst ‘offenders’ for co2. Can you tell us what you have done to reduce your own personal/family levels to that of say, India.?

tonyb

Waza
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:18 pm

Loydo
You said “anything Trump did”
Of course put all the people Trump pardoned back in jail as a start.

Loydo
Reply to  Waza
January 20, 2021 11:12 pm

Yeah, most of them. Quite a few actually confessed.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 1:21 am

That is the essence of a pardon.

Peter
Reply to  Waza
January 21, 2021 8:01 am

You do realize that many of those who Trump pardoned already served their sentences and are no longer in jail. No of course you don’t……

Simon
Reply to  Peter
January 21, 2021 10:47 am

Not the crook Bannon. How can Trump pardon a guy who has not even been to trial? Talk about filling the swamp.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Fascinating how socialists consider any action that impedes their takeover to be criminal.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 2:36 pm

So tell me Mark. Do you genuinely believe that Trump should have pardoned Bannon before his case had even gone to trial? If so can you tell us why? And how does wanting justice for those who’s money was stolen, make me a socialist?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:52 pm

His prosecution was 100% political in nature.
If he hadn’t been associated with Trump, no prosecutor would have gone after him.
Prosecuting those who oppose them is one of the classic tactics of the left. Even when you win, you are still destroyed.

And of course, you approve of it, after all those who oppose the socialists have no rights.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 5:00 pm

His prosecution was 100% political in nature.
If he hadn’t been associated with Trump, no prosecutor would have gone after him.”
Proof please?

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 5:01 pm

And the funny and bizarre thing is it is Trump supporters he ripped off. People who donated to have the wall built(after the Mexicans gave Trump the middle finger).

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:22 pm

For all the manipulative self serving boorish mendacious crude imbecilic things Trump did and said, he did take the US out of the Paris Disaster. I guess time will tell if Biden’s choices are better or worse on balance. Not that we Canadians have much in leadership to be proud of.

George Tetley
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
January 21, 2021 1:26 am

Wait Trump is a business man, like hundreds of. Millions of successful world wide, BIDEN is a politician crupt, stupid, ignorant and with HUNTER “quote the most intelligent person I know” and Ashley $80,000 a month daughter ( crupt money ) a brother who has no brain but hides his brother’s crupt millions and hunter who has a real serious drug problem (known 4 trips to rehab ) and you say Trump was bad just wait 6 months (if America still exists) Biden is a ……….

Simon
Reply to  George Tetley
January 21, 2021 10:54 am

So why is Biden “crupt?” Does he avoid his taxes? Does he pay off porn stars to stay quiet before an election? Does he threaten alleys with withdrawal of approved funds unless he gets dirt on a political opponent? Does he rent out his properties to government agencies at exorbitant prices? Just wondering what it is Bye-don has done that makes him “crupt?”

WR2
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 11:29 am

How about take China money through his son in exchange for access to the WH? How about pressure Ukraine to stop investigating Burisma while his son was on the board for no discernable reason? How about pushing a known phony narrative about a political rival in 2016, use fake Russian intel, and suggest using Logan act to spy illegally on his campaign?

Simon
Reply to  WR2
January 21, 2021 11:58 am

How about take China money through his son in exchange for access to the WH?” Proof please.
“How about pressure Ukraine to stop investigating Burisma while his son was on the board for no discernable reason? ” Proof please?
Wont waste my time with the rest…

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Biden admitted getting the person fired for investigating his son.

Simon
Reply to  David Kamakaris
January 21, 2021 2:37 pm

No he was doing his job. He had been instructed by Obama to do it. Half of Europe wanted the guy fired he was that corrupt.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 3:06 pm

I expected a pathetic reply from you, Slimon, but your reply exceeded every one of my wildest expectations. Are you too stupid to realize that Trump was impeached for simply inquiring about what Biden actually DID?

I’m sure you would have replied in a similar fashion if it was one of Trump’s kids on the board of Burisma.

Simon
Reply to  David Kamakaris
January 21, 2021 4:25 pm

Trump was impeached for leveraging an alley for political gain. It’s an abuse of power in the real world. Clearly not for Trumpkins.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 5:51 pm

What do you think Biden was doing, you hypocrite.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:54 pm

When you decide to make it up, you go all out.

MarkW
Reply to  David Kamakaris
January 21, 2021 8:53 pm

Simon is a good justice warrior.
He believes whatever he’s told to believe and never questions his task masters.

MarkW
Reply to  WR2
January 21, 2021 12:46 pm

Simon likes China, therefore anything that benefits them is by definition not corrupt.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 2:38 pm

Nope I don’t like much of what China does.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:55 pm

Yet time after time you defend them.
I have never seen you criticize them.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 10:18 am

Quote please for me defending China? I don’t recall commenting on them.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:08 pm

None of which Trump did in real life…. just in the MSM. !

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:45 pm

There’s nothing wrong with avoiding taxes, so long as you do it legally.

As to the other things, it’s not surprising that you consider any dirt on Trump to be true, regardless of the questionable ethics of those providing the dirt.

Like most socialists, you define truth as whatever you want it to be.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 2:40 pm

There’s nothing wrong with avoiding taxes, so long as you do it legally.” Agreed so let’s find out if he did so legally?

“As to the other things, it’s not surprising that you consider any dirt on Trump to be true, ” Wrong again. I read the facts and given he is being prosecuted for some of these I think they are worthy of consideration…. don’t you?

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 3:28 pm

What FACTS are you referring to, Slimon?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  David Kamakaris
January 21, 2021 5:59 pm

The facts are those that he reads in the New Zealand media. Simon isn’t that well read.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 22, 2021 10:19 am

Bet I read a whole lot wider than you Patrick.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 6:49 pm

“Agreed so let’s find out if he did so legally?”

Yes, and let’s find out if there is validity to the accusations of voter fraud!

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 8:48 pm

Yes, and let’s find out if there is validity to the accusations of voter fraud!”
We have there is none. Or so says the republicans who investigated this.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:02 pm

Do you have any evidence that he did anything illegal? The NYT got their hands on his taxes and couldn’t find anything.

BTW, when are you going to submit your taxes so that we can tell that you didn’t do anything illegal? You demand it of Trump, so you should be willing to live up to the same standard. Unless of course you are a total hypocrite.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 10:20 am

BTW, when are you going to submit your taxes so that we can tell that you didn’t do anything illegal?
” I’m not the president.”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 6:46 pm

It is said that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. The imagery on the infamous laptop, and the unwarranted salary for Hunter, speak to how corrupt the apple is. Other than inappropriately touching women and children, Joe has been more discreet, but not necessarily less corrupt.

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 8:51 pm

Biden has acknowledged his son has issues. And he is not the only child of a politician who has milked the situation for gain (which clearly he has). Take a look at the Trumps. Hell what training did Ivanka have for her part in the white house. None, or Jared. Now that is nepotism pure and simple.

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 3:44 am

He almost certainly isn’t the only child of a politician who has milked the situation for gain (Chelsea Clinton springs suddenly to mind) but I bet there are few where the father takes half the profit (Hunter was publicly very bitter about that one).

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Dimentia Joe has actually done the things that the press has been accusing Trump of. Yet the press still wants to only talk about Trump.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 10:21 am

Dimentia Joe has actually done the things that the press has been accusing Trump of. Yet the press still wants to only talk about Trump.”
Proof please….

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:49 pm

“Won’t make a skerrick of difference”

Loy-dumb FINALLY ADMITS that atmospheric CO2 MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE TO CLIMATE

Well done Loy….maybe you are not SO DUMB..

Stan Sexton
Reply to  fred250
January 20, 2021 11:15 pm

Bring on the CO2. Plants love it. And we get more oxygen.

Edward Hanley
Reply to  Loydo
January 20, 2021 10:51 pm

So, it “can’t hurt” to reverse four peace accords in the Middle East? It “can’t hurt” to go ahead and start a foreign war, which Trump refused to do? It “can’t hurt” for the US to pay billions of US taxpayer dollars to foreign countries as required by the Paris accord? Yeah, buddy. It CAN hurt. Easily. And a lot.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 12:15 am

Well, not starting any new wars was one thing Trump did. Guess we’ll have to change that. I’m sure Joe’s handlers or onto it.

fred250
Reply to  Vincent Causey
January 21, 2021 12:46 am

What do you reckon..??

Two- three months before the scum around the world start flexing their muscles, ..

…. because they KNOW they have a WEAK, PATHETIC, DEMENTIA-RIDDEN excuse as US President

Pat Frank
Reply to  fred250
January 21, 2021 8:43 am

Taiwan is probably counting the dys until a Chinese fleet appears off its shores, uncontested by the US.

And in Biden we now have a second US administration that’s not only hostile to the existence of Israel but hostile to the existence of the US.

Derg
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 3:31 am

Was there anything that Trump did right?

Richard Page
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 5:06 am

First separate what he said from what he actually did. Then go through what he did and you might find, on balance, that he actually was effective. And no – sorry but the Middle East treaty was actually only a public acknowledgement of the Israeli – Saudi working arrangement that has been in place for quite a few years, behind the scenes. Cleaning up the EPA was good, if he could have made it last. Getting the USA out of the Paris treaty was good, if he could have made it last. Weather the storm USA and see what happens in 2 then 4 years time.

Derg
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 5:26 am

I agree with you Richard, but lefty’s can’t acknowledge it 🙂

Richard Page
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 6:22 am

Weirdly enough, Derg, I’ve always considered myself a bit left of middle – however, since the main left radicalized themselves and went extreme hardline left, I’ve been sort of stuck in no-mans land that they have characterised as ‘far right’. It’s a bloody bizarre world we live in, isn’t it?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 1:40 pm

“t’s a bloody bizarre world we live in, isn’t it?”

Only if you listen to the radical Democrats. They are the ones creating the bizarre world, based on their delusions.

The radical Democrats represent themselves, not the rest of us. The radical Democrats presume to speak for everyone, but they don’t.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 21, 2021 4:28 pm

Tom
Only if you listen to the radical Democrats.”
what about the radical republicans who stormed Washington killing innocent people? Should we listen to them?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:07 pm

Once again, when he finds himself losing, Simon goes pathetic.

Why not ask about Antifa? Even though their man won, they are still rioting.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 10:28 am

How many innocent people did Antifa kill when they stormed the Capital. And for the record, I’m no supporter of extremists on any side, right or left.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 2:08 pm

Well, there are rumors that Antifa was at the Capital Building on Jan. 6.

We don’t know exactly who was involved in these “riots”, but evidence is coming forward saying at least some of these attacks were preplanned and the FBI knew all about it. We’ll know a lot more in the near future.

The FBI, so the story goes, informed the security chief at the Capital Building, and the security chief requested additional police and troops as a result of talking to the FBI, and someone in charge, probably Nancy Pelosi, said no to more personnel.

Make of that what you will.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 22, 2021 5:17 pm

Apparently Trump’s “incitement” was so powerful it traveled back in time and incited them to plan a riot.

Simon
Reply to  TonyG
January 23, 2021 10:35 am

He’s been saying the election was stolen before the election…. so yes they have had plenty of time…

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 23, 2021 10:39 am

Well, there are rumors that Antifa was at the Capital Building on Jan. 6.”
And that’s the problem Tom. Trump has feasted and promoted rumours and been happy to let them swirl in the puss filled domain that is the QAnon arena.

Tom they have arrested scores of people, so we will now for sure what motivated these thugs and who they support. I will give you an money that the final factual report makes no reference to Antifa. I’m not saying they aren’t bad…. many in that group are….. but this had nothing to do with them. The guilty ones were sitting inside the capital building taking photos of themselves for all the world to see, so it’s not hard to know who they are.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 2:02 pm

“what about the radical republicans who stormed Washington killing innocent people? Should we listen to them?”

No, we shouldn’t listen to them, we should punish them for what they did inside the Capital Building.

They should have listened to Trump when he called for a “peaceful” demonstration.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 22, 2021 3:49 am

Sorry Tom, I forgot that sarcasm doesn’t travel well. I agree with you and my sarcastic little turn of phrase shouldn’t be read as a straight sentence. Again, apologies to those that don’t read British sarcasm easily.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 9:16 am

I think most of what Trump said were mostly successful attempts to send the press into a tizzy so that he could get real stuff done.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 1:43 pm

I agree. A lot of what Trump said was just his way of jerking the chains of the Leftwing, Lying Media.

My favorite troll is where Trump was offering to “compromise” and put solar panels on the southern border wall, if the Democrats would agree to build the wall.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 9:18 am

I said back then, that the next president that comes along, whether R or D, will simply undo most of what Trump did. That’s what’s happening, and it didn’t even take 24 hours.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 10:56 am

Yes, right or wrong, he stuck to his word on things (often) which is exactly what Bye-Don is doing now so.

fred250
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 12:09 pm

“Was there anything that Trump did right?”

.
Basically ANYTHING that Biden wants to undo.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 6:51 pm

Trump didn’t pardon himself and he didn’t refuse to leave the White House as many leftists speculated, just to convince their readers what a bad man he was.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 9:10 pm

Speculating that Republicans will refuse to leave office has become a cottage industry for socialists. It’s almost as if they actually believe their rhetoric that all Republicans are evil.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Derg
January 22, 2021 2:14 pm

“Was there anything that Trump did right?”

Imo, Trump did just about everything right policy-wise. If you are a conservative, Trump is your guy. What’s not to like?

If you are a self-righteous, holier-than-thou conservative, then Trump is not your guy.

Hotscot
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 5:40 am

Loydo as usual blunders in with his Trump Derangement Syndrome and makes a fool of himself – Again.

Trump Administration Accomplishments

https://tinyurl.com/y6o2o5ep

MarkW
Reply to  Hotscot
January 21, 2021 9:10 pm

He can’t help himself. Knee jerk hatred is all he’s got.

LdB
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 6:12 am

Come on Loydo the US can now join the rest of the world failing at their targets and feeling terribly guilt about it and vowing to do better sometime in the future.

Editor
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 9:58 am

Please explain to us why America (who didn’t sign) outperformed 99% of the signatories of the Paris Treaty?

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 12:42 pm

So much hatred, so little intelligence.
Definitely an climate warrior.

LdB
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 3:49 pm

It a disease eco-warriors inherit, look at all the celebs who have a carbon footprint the size of a small nation but really hate the way the world is going.

The eco-warrior creed is it doesn’t matter what you do just so long as you say the right thing and feel guilt and Loydo is a card carrying member.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
January 21, 2021 5:56 pm

Reverse middle eastern peace. You are a typical uninformed, know nothing, Aussie.

January 20, 2021 10:15 pm

The UN Bureaucratese details of this “agreement” make it a non- issue, one would think.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/04/04/11245/

Bryan A
January 20, 2021 10:15 pm

Let your representatives know you are NOT HAPPY about their allowing the new President to commit the Nation to a unilateral international treaty solely upon his signature and without Congressional Debate

https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials

https://www.house.gov/representatives

https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

And let them know often

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Reply to  Bryan A
January 20, 2021 10:31 pm

Complain to Biden directly.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

George Tetley
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 21, 2021 1:31 am

Better to look In the mirror and tell the that person.

John Endicott
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 21, 2021 1:55 am

Like that would do any good, it’s Biden’s handlers you need to complain to. Always talk directly to the organ grinder, never the monkey.

bonbon
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 5:23 am

Just wait for BoJo, greener-than-thou, to pal up with Biden and Ursula.
Where’s my barf-bag…

Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 9:02 am

John,

Biden’s handlers are the ones who will read the messages sent to the white house site. The good it will do is to establish what they knew and when they knew it. We need to overwhelm them with truth.

Send evidence, complain and warn, but don’t be abusive. Don’t worry about specific science being over their head, as anything explaining proper science will be. Whether they pay attention is irrelevant. The goal is to accumulate evidence in the official record for use in the inevitable law suit. It might also be useful to get a screen shot before sending just in case they defy the federal record keeping act. Given how unethical the Biden administrations politics are, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

Scissor
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 21, 2021 5:59 am

Alternatively: http://www.antifa.com

Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 24, 2021 3:25 pm

You will notice that the whitehouse.gov site added a new field to the contact page. The new field is called ‘pronoun’ where it seems you get to choose what pronoun you would like to be referred to as.

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griff
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 12:26 am

Are you sure the previous incumbent never did that?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 12:49 pm

yes

Pat Frank
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 8:46 am

They don’t need to care about what anyone thinks, Bryan. They own the vote.

TonyG
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 11:00 am

Let me know when that starts working and I’ll join in.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bryan A
January 21, 2021 1:57 pm

“Let your representatives know you are NOT HAPPY about their allowing the new President to commit the Nation to a unilateral international treaty solely upon his signature and without Congressional Debate”

I think this is a good idea because we need to put Republicans on notice as soon as possible that we are against the demonization of CO2.

Republican politicians need to understand that the Base does not support wasting money on regulating a benign gas such as CO2.

If any Republican politician disagrees and claims CO2 needs to be regulated, then that Republican should be required to show the evidence on which he bases that conclusion.

Since there is no evidence CO2 is a dangerous gas, the claimant will be out on a limb.

This is all necessary because the social pressure on Republicans to accept that CO2 is a dangerous gas will be heavy as Biden ramps up the Climate Crisis rhetoric.

There’s no evidence showing that CO2 needs to be regulated in any way, shape or form. We should not be spending money on a CO2 problem that has never been shown to exist. Republicans who claim it exists should be required to show their work, as they say.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 21, 2021 5:43 pm

An excellent post.

January 20, 2021 10:20 pm

Show me the physics supporting any value of effect from doubling CO2 within the presumed range of the IPCC before committing trillions of dolars of waste, fraud and abuse attempting to solve a problem that the immutable laws of physics precludes.

Peter W
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 21, 2021 1:22 pm

CO2 is now over 30% higher than what it usually is during warm periods between glacial episodes, and I am still waiting to hear of the supposed terrible effects of this obviously drastic increase.

Fresh
January 20, 2021 10:22 pm

Hmmm, I got that too. I this the new normal? Doesn’t that agreement give China 20 years to pollute like mad whilst the USA is further hobbled after doing a great job of pollution reduction the last 30 or 40 years? hmmmm

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Fresh
January 20, 2021 11:01 pm

 Doesn’t that agreement give China 20 years to pollute like mad”

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that CO2, or any so-called greenhouse gases, is a pollutant.

Do you also think that after the 20 year window, China will be moved to suddenly comply?

HaH!

John Endicott
Reply to  Fresh
January 21, 2021 1:58 am

1) CO2 is not a pollutant
2) Yes, China’s commitment was to basically continue what they were doing (increasing emissions or, as you put it “pollute like mad”) until 2030, and only then start working on reducing emissions.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 5:13 am

Sort of yes and sort of no. China had a tacit agreement that they would increase to ‘peak CO2’ around 2030 then decrease their emissions. However their pledges under the Paris treaty were different – they were limited to only a 40-45% increase in CO2 over 2005 levels and had to increase renewables to 15% of energy production by 2020. They had other pledges to hit before 2030 but it looks like they were way over their targets in 2020 and no public outcry.

Enginer01
Reply to  Fresh
January 21, 2021 5:47 am

Worse, it throws money at “Developing Nations” which,for some reason, China qualifies as. (Been an active civilization for 2300 years, and “developing?”) Another bone to China from the Biden Corporation?

January 20, 2021 10:25 pm

Just the first of many unconstitutional acts of violating Separation of Powers by a lawless President. Many more to come.

Waza
January 20, 2021 10:30 pm

Sorry my American brothers, your just going have to ride out the next four years.
Don’t cry like the lefty whingers when Hillary lost.
Start preparing for the long haul, but be ready to pounce when the time comes.
I have two linked predictions
1. The Biden administration will make some really stupid decision that even democrate voters don’t like.
2. Kamala, Nancy, AOC BErnie or similar will openly fight each other to see who can have the most stupid policy.
The above two times are when fight back.

Waza
Reply to  Waza
January 20, 2021 10:36 pm

Putting it out there.
As an Australian I don’t vote in USA, but overall, I thought Trump did a pretty good job.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Waza
January 20, 2021 11:03 pm

We only really need to survive for 2 years, if we can win back the House and Senate. Then Biden will be relatively toothless.

Klem
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 20, 2021 11:20 pm

Toothless? Biden won’t be in office in two years, he’ll have been replaced by the lunatic Harris by then. In the end, this could turn out to be one of the most laughable and pathetic administrations in decades.

fred250
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 1:45 am

What makes you think the fraudulent Democrat voting machine will give the Republicans the slightest chance in 2 years time ?

Derg
Reply to  fred250
January 21, 2021 3:38 am

Fred that is quite possible. CA, WA and I believe OR went to vote by mail and Republican only win in the red of red counties. I would be shocked if Republicans ever hold the presidency again.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 11:00 am

I would be shocked if Republicans ever hold the presidency again.” They will win again if they get the trust of the people back after the mess Trump has left the party in.

Philip
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 2:32 pm

I don’t know a Trump voter that wouldn’t happily vote for him again. The mess the party is in is because most elected Republicans sat back and didn’t have the stones to stand up for the citizens. I live in a red state and most Rep. voters are pissed that many of their representatives didn’t stand and fight. Many of those representatives are going to be surprised when Trump voters don’t show up in 2022. It’s time to DUMP the TRASH and start over with some one willing to fight. Many of the Republicans talk but don’t stand and fight when it’s time. There are enough Trump supporters that Republicans can’t win without us. Stand with us and we can clean the mess. We all have to be willing to get our hands dirty

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Philip
January 21, 2021 8:17 pm

And through propaganda, and silencing those who disagreed with the MSM position, the MSM managed to convince the sheep in the country that a self-serving, professional politician who was afraid to leave his basement was a better choice than someone who was trying to drain the swamp.

Simon
Reply to  Philip
January 21, 2021 8:52 pm

I don’t know a Trump voter that wouldn’t happily vote for him again. ” Wow I don’t know a Trump voter.

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 7:13 am

So you admit you live in an ideological bubble.

Simon
Reply to  TonyG
January 22, 2021 10:30 am

I bet I read a lot wider than you do. I read enough to get a balanced view which is why I come here.

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 12:18 pm

There’s more to the world than your computer screen. I actually know and engage with real people who hold different views than I do.

MarkW
Reply to  Philip
January 21, 2021 9:16 pm

This has been the complaint of conservatives since before the time of Reagan. There will always be a substantial number of Republicans who care more about being invited to high society parties, then they do fighting Democrats.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 3:52 pm

Simon what mess are you referring to? What policy of his was a mess?

Simon
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 8:56 pm

What part isn’t a mess? Over 300k dead and rising. National debt at an all time high. Washington has just been stormed by pyscho right wing nut bars. The US is at an all time low for international standing. Unemployment on the rise. The divide in the country has never been so pronounced.You obviously think bad is good.

David A
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 3:59 am

Simon, your party of thieves resisted and ridiculed President Trump’s desire for a travel ban, ridiculed and prevented use of HCQ and Ivermectin, ridiculed his advice for fresh air and sunshine, ridiculed his blaming China, and said that the Wuflu would kill over 1 million Americans.

In doing these things your party is responsible for 90 percent of the Wuflu deaths ( democide) and the destruction of the very very powerful economy President Trump was successfully building. Record low minority unemployment, record low general unemployment with the low earners real wage growth increasing faster then any time in decades.

Your party along with RINOS refused to allow any rational limit to the debt, threatened and enacted veto over rides. In order to accomplish anything President Trump had to agree to insane levels of spending by the bought uni party.

Your party supported encouraged and used ANTIFA and BLM racist hate groups that destroyed billions of dollars of property and shut down all business and commerce, where they spewed their hate and divisive mentality. Your party defended them. Your party recieved funds from them.

Your party worked with these hate groups to set up a false flagg capitol riot that did less then one percent of the damage of the BLM ANTIFA real riots, and tried to get thousands of rationally angry President Trump supporters to join them, yet only succeeded in getting what, one or two hundred, most of whom walked through barricades removed by the police, and tried to stop the false Flagg actors actually doing some minor destruction.

Your party engaged in the biggest election steal in history, and got away with it because your 70 year ” March through the institutions” is basically complete.

Your party, ignoring all their support for ANTIFA and BLM riots, ignoring their demand that President Trump NOT send the National Guard in to quell your riots, then went full on Gestopo bringing in 30 k plus troops, threatening and prosecuting innocents, doing what democrats do best, falsely demonizing and marginalizing anyone against their Insanity.

Your party ignored tremendous international support for President Trump from many nations that did not want the one world government globalists to rule. President Trump has tremendous support and praise from many national leaders that was censured and unreported by your party and press to their useful idiots. European nations that long ago learned the pain of statist governments, Asian nations like Japan with very high praise. India had well over 150k people come out to cheer President Trump, and a packed stadium, giving him standing ovation after standing ovation, all ignored by the insane left and their media.

Prime Minister Modi, political leader of the largest religious population on the planet, called President Trump ” a very spiritual man”.

The President of Mexico came to respect President Trump, and worked with him to sign a trade deal that would benefit nations, and force Canada to join, and freeze out mercantilist China. President Trump did several other bilateral and Tri-lateral trade deals, with more to come.

Even though you know the Parris deal will make zero difference to the GAT, you support such inane policy. Even with the incredibly damaging lock downs, the economy was storming back at record rates of job growth and improvement, yet because your party refused to follow President Trump’s good advice on the Wuflu, and are insane hateful statists, you brought on a 2nd wave, partially real, partially manufactured, and destroyed the blossoming recovery.

Your leadership is the party of hate, the party of ridicule, the party of the most evil expression of power, power over others, and your radical left Blackbeard’s have done all possible to set back race relations that did nothing but improve all my life until Obama came to power, the Divider in Chief.

Simon
Reply to  David A
January 22, 2021 10:41 am

Simon, your party of thieves resisted and ridiculed President Trump’s desire for a travel ban, “
The travel ban was the most significant thing he did amongst a sea dreadful failures. So he got one thing right. Is that a good enough success rate for you because it is not for me. 300+k dead and rising….

Your party ignored tremendous international support for President Trump from many nations that did not want the one world government globalists to rule.”
Which countries gave Trump “tremendous” support? Most leaders laugh about him, some in public.

HCQ is a compete joke in relation to Covid.

“Your party engaged in the biggest election steal in history, and got away with it because your 70 year ”

Proof please.

Your leadership is the party of hate, the party of ridicule, the party of the most evil expression of power, power over others, “

That statement is laughable coming from a Trump supporter.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:14 pm

They have the trust of the people. They don’t have the trust of the media, nor the trust of the people who count the votes.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  fred250
January 21, 2021 9:00 am

Well, Fred, Republicans gained House seats this election. The margins in both House and Senate are VERY thin.

Garland Lowe
Reply to  fred250
January 21, 2021 9:53 am

It will be up to state legislatures to fix the voting issues. I think 30 states have Republican legislatures. If they get rid of practices that allow fraud, the Republicans will have a chance if the don’t screw up. As someone said, you can always count on Republicans to let you down when push comes to shove.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Garland Lowe
January 21, 2021 12:48 pm

Doesn’t need to be any pushing or shoving for Republicans to let you down, Garland.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 2:07 am

That a big if. This election just showed that democrats are allowed to steal elections. And that’s regardless if you believe the election was stolen or not. All the “democratic institutions” refused to look at any evidence of possible fraud or other irregularities. Their answer to every challenge boiled down to “move along, nothing to see here”. The courts determined 1) nobody has standing to bring such evidence and 2) even if they did have standing, the court doesn’t have the jurisdiction to look at it. So even if you don’t believe this election was stolen, know that they have just been given the green light to steal future elections.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 3:11 am

Moron.

Derg
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 3:39 am

Russia colluuuusion Bruce 😉

Simon
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 11:05 am

2 impeachments Derg?

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 11:35 am

Yep. 2 impeachments. And probably multiple court cases to follow. The Dems really, really hate Trump with a passion – personally I think It’s because they consider him a traitor. Don’t forget he was best buds with the Clintons and contributed to Democrat campaigns for years before running as a Republican and against Hillary. The Dems will never forgive him for that and will hound him to his grave.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 8:23 pm

“… personally I think It’s because they consider him a traitor.”

They are afraid of him, which is why they are using the tool of impeachment to try to prevent him from ever running again.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:15 pm

Manic political hatred.. based on NOTHING else.

But you know that don’t you, simple slimon.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 12:52 pm

Both based on lies. But then you already knew that.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 2:29 pm

Huh? Both are based on recordings or the written word. Hardly lies. He did say “I want you to do me a favour.” And that favour was getting dirt on a political opponent. And he did incite the crowd that resulted in the deaths of police and others. So I’m curious, where are the lies?

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 3:49 pm

“And he did incite the crowd that resulted in the deaths of police and others”
What were his exact words that incited the crowd? The FULL statement, please.

Simon
Reply to  TonyG
January 21, 2021 4:34 pm
Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:31 pm

No! If he had said, “Take the capitol building and prevent the vote, in my name” that would have been inciting the crowd. It would have been explicit. Instead, he said something equivalent to “I want you to work to save the country by giving 110%!” You and the so-called fact checkers are reading into it what you want to hear to rationalize an uncontitutional act of removing a president that isn’t in office.

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 8:57 pm

He incited a riot amongst a bunch of pitchfork wielding rednecks who were ready to kill. And that’s what they did. How can he not be responsible?

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 3:35 am

By using your same yardstick then, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are responsible for the 2016 riots that erupted across several US cities causing millions of dollars of damage and major disruption to US citizens lives and livelihoods. Clinton, Trump and Obama can all be charged at the same time for incitement to riot can’t they?

Simon
Reply to  Richard Page
January 22, 2021 10:44 am

Clinton, Trump and Obama can all be charged at the same time for incitement to riot can’t they?”
The difference is Trump deliberately misinformed. He had been told by all those responsible for voting control that there was no fraud. Including republicans in charge, but he still peddled this lie to a crowd crying for blood.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 21, 2021 9:21 pm

Like most progressives, Simon specializes in seeing what he wants to see. It’s a lot like griff and his habit of linking to stories with almost always refute the point he’s trying to make.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:20 pm

None of which constitute inciting a riot.

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
January 22, 2021 7:03 am

I notice you don’t actually answer the question.

What part of this is inciting insurrection?

“After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. … We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. And we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

“We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore. … So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol. … But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

Are you seriously suggesting “Fight like hell” are the words? If so, then there’s a LOT of politicians inciting insurrection.

Nevermind, it’s clear you believe what you want to believe, facts be damned.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:25 pm

“I want you to do me a favour.”

Apparently American English is a second language for you and you haven’t mastered the nuances.

David A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 22, 2021 4:12 am

Yes, and that favor was following a signed agreement between the two nations to fight corruption, in this case corruption committed by Biden and O administration.

Sheesh, Simon is behaving like a bit of a dolt.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:20 pm

Once again, Simon has to resort to lies in order to prove he knows nothing.
The dossier was faked, even the agency that created it has been forced to admit that.
Trump told his people to continue to protest, he didn’t tell them to riot.

As always, when the truth doesn’t get them where they want to go, you can always count on the progressives to lie.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 3:39 am

As a weird twist, the company that compiled that report was owned by an ex MI5 officer near Salisbury, UK – one of its employees, hired as a Russia expert, was one Sergei Skripal. It’s a bloody bizarre world we live in, isn’t it?

Derg
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 3:53 pm

Russia colluuuusion Simon?

TonyG
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 11:04 am

Brilliant and well articulated response there, Bruce.

John Endicott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 11:07 am

Don’t be s hard on yourself Bruce.

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 12:52 pm

Bruce just can’t accept that what he wants to believe isn’t actually true.
The cognitive dissonance is so painful that he has to lash out at those who don’t believe as he wants them to.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 8:21 pm

BC
I want to compliment you on your eloquence!

bonbon
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 5:43 am

With help from Lord Malloch-Brown’s Dominion machines using Smartmatic.
I’m sure there is an upgrade for House elections in beta test…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 8:58 am

“1) nobody has standing to bring such evidence”

Not really. At least one such ruling said that Texas doesn’t have standing to bring suit in Pennsylvania, or wherever it was.

Would you really want California to be able to overturn votes in Wyoming?

So even if you don’t believe this election was stolen, know that they have just been given the green light to steal future elections.”

I don’t know if it was. All I know is that there was no “releasing of the Kraken”, as we were promised. Why wasn’t all the evidence released to the public? Signed affidavits are not proof of fraud, they are merely proof that statements were made.

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Simon
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 11:05 am

All the “democratic institutions” refused to look at any evidence of possible fraud or other irregularities.”
Did you listen to the recorded conversation with Trump and Raffensberger? They looked at all the possible avenues for fraud and found nothing. Trumps made up numbers were just ridiculous. It wasn’t 5000 dead voters it was 2. The list went on. And these were republicans in charge. Not the sneaky left stealing your votes. Time to think critically people. Why would a republican, who voted for Trump, be telling him there was no fraud?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 8:39 pm

Have you been following the postings over at JONOVA? There are many reasons to believe that fraud took place. However, to gather the evidence, the equivalent of a Grand Jury or bipartisan House Committee with powers of subpoena would have been required. There was no effort on the part of Democrats to remove the cloud over the legitimacy of the election. Instead, they relied on the MSM to post Op-Eds with unsupported claims that all the allegations were baseless. If Biden wanted to be able to claim he legitimately won, let alone have a mandate, he would have been anxious to convince the public that there was nothing to the charges. That didn’t happen. He is instead, using raw power to rule.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Endicott
January 21, 2021 8:20 pm

“All the “democratic institutions” refused to look at any evidence of possible fraud or other irregularities.”

Therefore, there is a cloud over the legitimacy of Biden’s ‘election,’ and there is a crisis of confidence in the voting system.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 8:18 am

Won’t happen if the elections are not honest.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
January 21, 2021 9:03 am

There is fraud and/or irregularities in every election. Period. The question is, was it tens of millions of votes? You have to prove it.

David A
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 22, 2021 4:15 am

No where near that many are needed, yet the fraud was clearly in the millions.

Simon
Reply to  David A
January 22, 2021 10:46 am

Proof please.
“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the groups of federal, state and local officials said in a Nov. 12 joint statement.
Even Trump’s attorney general, William Barr, rebutted his claims, telling the Associated Press on Dec. 1 that the Department of Justice and FBI “have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.”

TonyG
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 11:02 am

I don’t see that being allowed to happen.

Big Al
January 20, 2021 10:32 pm

Fake Treaty signed by fake ….. MT will rule void. I think Trump forgot to hand off “football” to China Joe. Who controls nuclear codes? President. Who has codes? Trump. Must be oversite by Trump. No peanuts, but air fare is free. What ? Pentagon not allowing China Joe’s buddies in on secerat stuff. Who does Pentagon answer to ? Apparently not China Joe. They Never Thought She Would Lose. She did. They have.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Big Al
January 20, 2021 11:03 pm

I think you forgot your meds.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Big Al
January 20, 2021 11:38 pm

I suggest you cut way back on the booze before you write a remark. Either that of ask someone who does speak English to edit your posts.

Waza
January 20, 2021 10:38 pm

Request for thoughts.
Three years out from starting the campaign who should challenge?

Waza
Reply to  Waza
January 20, 2021 10:39 pm

Ron De Santis?

Big Al
Reply to  Waza
January 20, 2021 11:13 pm

Second President of New Free America be JFK Jr.. Nobody challenge . Long shot Trump stay in four more years.

Big Al
Reply to  Big Al
January 20, 2021 11:20 pm

Look. If Jeff can vote, and then give testimony on CNN during Military Tribunals. Why no Jr.?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Big Al
January 21, 2021 9:04 am

Don’t bring me into this!

fred250
Reply to  Waza
January 21, 2021 12:48 am

How can anyone challenge that amount of vote rigging !! ??

Big Al
Reply to  fred250
January 22, 2021 9:37 am

Military . Military Tribunals. Provision. 11.3 “kicked in” When China Joe accepted stolen Presidency . The last President of slaves and sheep. To the 75% . March 3th date to remember. Birth of Free America. one more. New Capital to be built.

TonyG
Reply to  Waza
January 21, 2021 11:05 am

Crenshaw.

Rory Forbes
January 20, 2021 11:22 pm

Well what else would anyone expect from a Junior President with an IQ in the double digits? He’s going to do exactly what he’s told to do. They’ll want to get their money’s worth out of him before he croaks or his dementia gets worse. Then Kamala will sell her favours to the highest bidder (as usual).

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SAMURAI
January 20, 2021 11:38 pm

Constitutionally, the US can’t “rejoin” a treaty that was never agreed to by at least 67 senators..

Using Newspeak, Leftists simply call a “treaty” an “agreement” thus magically circumventing the need for senate approval…

Somehow, this magical agreement enables the US government to waste $trillions on Alt-En wind/solar/unicorn farts and also to utterly destroy the US fossil fuel industry (which is currently the world’s largest)..

Americans can now enjoy seeing their energy costs skyrocket, their economy crash, and romantically huddle around candles during blackouts..

Oh, goody…

January 20, 2021 11:40 pm

Not only is re-joining this Treaty illegal without the Advice and Consent of the Senate, sending them 1 nickel without congressional approval is also unlawful, tho Obama did it without so much as a squeal from Congress

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  tomwys
January 21, 2021 9:23 am

tho Obama did it without so much as a squeal from Congress”

Or his propaganda arm… er… the Press.

Rod Evans
January 20, 2021 11:57 pm

So Biden has done the deed and signed the USA up to open ended financial transfers to countries that actually pollute their environment and the planet in general.
Would somebody care to explain why the Dems think that is a good and news worthy event, to be proud of?
Perhaps they intend to introduce foot shooting as a prime time entertainment show.

Derg
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 21, 2021 3:43 am

“Would somebody care to explain why the Dems think that is a good and news worthy event, to be proud of?“

It feelz good to them and helps China. Sounds legit to me 😉

Gareth
January 20, 2021 11:58 pm

Welcome back to the world and international community. We have missed you.

leowaj
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 7:11 am

We have not rejoined willingly. Our abusive “father” and “mother” made us do it.

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Richard Page
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 7:22 am

No we haven’t. We’ve been too busy trying to comprehend the Green insanity spewing forth from our own governments in a race to the bottom to keep track of what the USA has been doing most of the time.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 9:24 am

Maybe you guys should have joined us instead. Oh, that’s right, you’re mostly lead by un-elected bureaucrats.

Richard Page
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 11:39 am

I would like to say “not any more after Brexit” but that still remains to be seen……

Lrp
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 10:55 am

Right! So much better to bring everybody down.

fred250
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 12:19 pm

You mean groups like ISIS, and all the thuggish dictatorships that occupy much of the UN.

Yes, the USA may have just joined up.

MarkW
Reply to  Gareth
January 21, 2021 12:57 pm

Socialists really do believe that they are the standard by which everyone else must be measured.

Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 12:04 am

WASHINGTON, Jan 19 (Reuters) – U.S. Supreme Court justices on Tuesday appeared to lean toward energy companies in a dispute over a lawsuit filed by the city of Baltimore seeking monetary damages for the impact of global climate change.

The justices heard arguments on a legal issue that will help determine whether the lawsuit and others like it will be heard in a state court, as the city would prefer, or in a federal court, which corporate defendants generally view as a more favorable venue. The arguments did not address the underlying merits of Baltimore claims.

Richard Page
Reply to  Eb Mix-O'Lydian
January 21, 2021 6:31 am

“The arguments did not address the underlying merits of Baltimore claims.” Entirely unsurprising; they were only asked to rule on which courts had jurisdiction. If they had commented on the merits of the case they would have exceeded their bounds and prejudiced the case.

Flight Level
January 21, 2021 12:11 am

Free money food frenzy…

RickWill
January 21, 2021 12:24 am

US can once again show its ambition.

I am hoping Australia remains less ambitious. All the “ambition” gets an admin fee that goes to the dictators in the UN.

griff
January 21, 2021 12:27 am

Trump legacy check: did he save the coal industry?

lackawaxen123
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 8:52 am

he stopped trying to kill it like Obama … nat gas is what is killing the coal industry now … try to keep up …

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 8:57 am

No, I believe that was mainly George Soros – Obama devalued the coal mines then Soros bought them up at a discount price and ‘saved’ them.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 9:29 am

He made the US energy-independent. Now Dementia Joe will make us dependent on foreign oil again, so we can have more pointless Mid East wars. Yay!

gringojay
January 21, 2021 12:49 am

I wonder what can possibly happen next.

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Notanacademic
Reply to  gringojay
January 21, 2021 2:46 am

Windmills aren’t they just great… not. I can see four windfarms from where I live two of them have had one go up in flames. My son is a firefighter he told me there’s nothing they can do when one goes up. Our taxes being wasted. America needs the business man back in the Whitehouse, I think with Joe in office a lot more Americans are going to see burning windmills.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  gringojay
January 21, 2021 9:07 am

That looks purdy!

griff
Reply to  gringojay
January 21, 2021 10:01 am

Hmm! nobody has put up one of that design for about 35 years… and it is worth looking at number of turbine fires yearly across the world. Miniscule compared to number installed

Notanacademic
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 11:44 am

The two I mentioned are both under four years old

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 11:52 am

Hmm. What was that money quote on wind turbines: “95% of all wind turbines will experience a failure during their life, with offshore and larger turbines experiencing more.” Fires and blade destruction failures may be less common but failures are practically the norm.

fred250
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 12:28 pm

Deliberate LIES yet again, hey griff..

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Simon
Reply to  fred250
January 21, 2021 2:33 pm
MarkW
Reply to  Simon
January 21, 2021 9:29 pm

However, on a per MW basis, none come close to the dangers of wind.

PS: Why don’t you try a non-propaganda site for once. Valdez has been clean for decades. Sure, if you dig hard enough you can find traces of the spill.

One factoid is that those areas that weren’t cleaned up, fared better than the areas where volunteers went in and wiped down every rock.

There are, and have always been, bacteria that love oil, and will eat it when given the chance.

As a counter example, look at the Deep Water Horizon spill. Very little of it ever made it to shore and most of what did was taken care of by nature in a few months.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2021 10:48 am

However, on a per MW basis, none come close to the dangers of wind.”
Proof please?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 1:00 pm

House fires. Miniscule compared to the number of houses built. So obviously we don’t need fire departments.

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 5:40 pm

And how does the Yearly Wind Turbine failure occurrence stack up against Yearly Solar Panel failure (fire) occurrence or Yearly Gas Generation failure occurrence or Yearly Nuclear Generation failure occurrence?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  gringojay
January 21, 2021 8:44 pm

Great advertising!

Matthew Sykes
January 21, 2021 2:08 am

Empty words that do nothing.

Derg
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
January 21, 2021 3:46 am

Not true Matthew. Rising energy prices mean it is much easier for businesses to push mfg to China while the citizens of the west pay more for energy. Cheap energy is the lifeblood of progress.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Derg
January 21, 2021 9:30 am

Speaking of rising energy prices. Washington State is about to become the state with the highest gasoline taxes. Higher, by far, than California. You just know that Cali won’t let that stand.

It’s on!

Peta of Newark
January 21, 2021 3:07 am

Is there any particular problem with Joe blowing away $100 Billion on climate?

Seems the US can cheerfully blow away (literally) $44 Billion annually, watching dirt float out into The Ocean
https://californiaagnet.com/2021/01/04/us-loses-44-billion-to-soil-erosion/
also, the full version of the agnet article is here:
https://www.jswconline.org/content/75/6/137A

And that (lost) dirt is what’s causing the Observed Climate Change – assuming you subscribe to the notion that Temperature = Climate
Have a craic with some peasants – you’re in for an awakening. Shock even maybe.

It mentions in the linked articles about reduced water retention. THAT is The Root Cause Of Twitchy Thermometers
reduced water means less stored energy in the dirt…
= less thermal inertia in the landscape = wild weather

If some of that dosh Joe’s giving away came back and was used to somehow return or replace that lost dirt – you are onto quite a good (Paris) deal

Oh look – there’s a squirrel!!!

Some bastid wicked weasel more like – name of ‘Joe’

In actuality, I do struggle with the 44 Billion they come up with – where did they get it from.

But but but, if me, you anyone spent 44 Bill buying some quality dirt, what kind of financial return might we get from what w egrew on it -?
Just wow – what if we grew (meal) Worms
How many worms is that!!!!!

Bezos, Gates, Gloomberg Musk et al are gonna be tramps/hobos by comparison..
Climate can be fun doncha think… 😀

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Richard Page
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 21, 2021 6:36 am

It’s less the money that’s the issue, I think. It’s the fact that it was set up internationally to illegally bypass the US domestic constitution. It shows collusion between the UN, other Paris Treaty signatories and the Democrat governments of Obama and Biden to commit an illegal act under US constitutional law.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 9:09 am

I’m sure the MSM will get right on that.

Oh never mind!

Richard Page
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 21, 2021 1:39 pm

Peta- from something I read today, I believe the new term for a distraction is “shiny squirrel”.

Waza
January 21, 2021 3:28 am

Sorry to be so harsh, but if you guys can’t sort out your voting system your in for the same shit.
You know the problem districts.
Sort them out NOW.

MarkW
Reply to  Waza
January 21, 2021 1:01 pm

The problem is that those who run those districts, want them to be messed up.

Steve E.
January 21, 2021 3:36 am

In one of his other executive orders on climate, Biden says “It is, therefore, the policy of my Administration to listen to the science;” So far, looks like we’ve got 4 more years of ignoring science.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Steve E.
January 21, 2021 8:00 am

He means “only the “science” he likes.

Notanacademic
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
January 21, 2021 12:34 pm

Propaganda masquerading as science

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Steve E.
January 21, 2021 11:52 am

Only the science provided through the filter of the Sierra Club.

Nick Schroeder
January 21, 2021 3:45 am

For the power of the state to deny a citizenry’s civil liberties requires due process.
Due process requires evidence for or against the use/abuse of that power.
Evidence against:

The Radiative GreenHouse Effect theory three-legged stool toppled – together with all the pseudo-scientific, confirmation bias, correlation = cause, climate change, Gorebal warming rubbish stacked on top.

1: By reflecting away 30% +/- of the incoming solar radiation the albedo, which could not/would not exist without the atmosphere, makes the earth cooler not warmer much like that reflective panel behind a car’s windshield. Remove the atmosphere and the albedo goes with, i.e. no water vapor or clouds, no snow or ice, no vegetation, no oceans, the earth becomes a barren, airless, celestial rock. And much like the moon, having an albedo of 10% with 20% more incoming kJ/h, hot^3 lit side, cold^3 dark. Nikolov, Kramm (U of AK) and UCLA Diviner mission all tacitly admit this scenario thereby refuting RGHE’s claim that the naked earth would become 33 C cooler and a -430 F frozen ball of ice.

2:The upwelling “trapped”, “absorbed” or “delayed” the subsequent downwelling “back” radiated energy of the GHG loop must first be removed from the terrestrial system. Removing this “extra” energy would diminish the energy balance at ToA and must be balanced by “extra” upwelling energy. LoT emphatically PROHIBIT such “extra” energy.

3: The “extra” upwelling LWIR of RGHE originates from an assumption that the earth’s surface radiates as an ideal black body. Because of the non-radiative heat transfer participation of the contiguous atmospheric molecules, LWIR provides only a share (emissivity = actual/theoretical) of the upwelling energy rendering “extra” upwelling LWIR impossible. In the case of the ubiquitous K-T power flux balance graphic: theoretical emissivity ε=63/396=0.16 or actual emissivity ε=63/160=0.39. There is no “extra” upwelling LWIR, no “extra” energy for the GHGs to “trap” and “back” radiate and no downwelling LWIR.

As demonstrated by experiment, the gold standard of classical science.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nicholas-schroeder-55934820_climatechange-greenhouse-co2-activity-6749812735246254080-bc6K

1 + 2 + 3 = 0 RGHE + 0 GHG warming + 0 CAGW

Reply to  Nick Schroeder
January 23, 2021 5:23 pm

Nick, I have no idea what you’re trying to say in that comment, but you’ve expressed before that you don’t believe that the so-called “radiative greenhouse effect” is real.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/24/first-detection-of-climate-change-on-another-planet/#comment-2603121

You’re wrong about that. The “greenhouse effect” is misnamed (because greenhouses don’t work like that), but it is real (and beneficial). If you want to learn how it works, here are some resources:

https://sealevel.info/learnmore.html#physics

January 21, 2021 3:50 am

Call it what it is: the Paris Climate Treaty.

When the Left calls it an “Agreement” or “Accord,” the purpose is to obfuscate the fact that it is an unconstitutional unratified treaty.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/treaty-clause/

Democrats, like leftists everywhere, are at war with science, but they are also at war with the U.S. Constitution, and the rule of law.

bonbon
Reply to  Dave Burton
January 21, 2021 5:54 am

London’s House of Lords has always been at war with the U.S. Constitution, and will not stop until Leibniz’s “Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness” is replaced with their John Lock’s “Life, Liberty, and Property”. Elections, Electoral College and 1st Amendment are already collateral damage.
Pursuit of happiness is already impossible, and the Great Reset, as Prince Charles says is a unique opportunity, is to make “property” of the 1% constitutional. Notice the wealth transfer over the Corona bailout….

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Richard Page
Reply to  bonbon
January 21, 2021 6:39 am

You were doing so well on the new meds. What happened hun? Fell off the wagon again?

Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 4:16 am

Traitor Joe has hit the ground running. In the wrong direction. Impressive. Let’s see if the Republicans have the cajones. Trouble is, there are a lot of RINOs who are onboard the climate choo-choo. Our own, popular governor Chris Sununu is one such critter. Loves masks too. Go figure.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 21, 2021 2:15 pm

“Trouble is, there are a lot of RINOs who are onboard the climate choo-choo.”

Yes, that is a big problem.

Some Republican politicians are easily misled on the subject of Human-caused Climate Change. Just like a lot of other people.

Evidence! We need evidence that CO2 is evil. Republican politicians should be required to “put up” or “shut up” about our lovely, benign CO2.

They shouldn’t go around disparaging CO2 for no good reason. And they don’t have a good reason. That would become apparent as soon as they tried to explain themselves. We should make them explain themselves.

January 21, 2021 4:50 am

Wow, I didn’t know about the Junior President part! “Joseph R. Biden Jr., President …”. Imagine that, Dopey Joe, Junior President.

January 21, 2021 4:56 am

Please Mr. Watts and moderators, can we please avoid making presidential politics out of dung beetle piles? I just went through my bookmarks deleting clickbait sites that try to convince me of the latest hysteria, and I see plenty of adds supporting WUWT.

MarkW
Reply to  Doug Huffman
January 21, 2021 1:05 pm

So, you don’t believe that the US “rejoining” the Paris Agreement is something that we should be talking about?
Or is it that you want the moderators to delete any post that you aren’t interested in reading?

ResourceGuy
January 21, 2021 5:45 am

Off to a bad start in the “truth and unity” theme

You may start your resort “conference” trip planning now. Remember those drinks from the bar with the little parasols in them as Mike Mann wrote about. The nebulous taxpayer at the end of the bar is picking up the tab for all. Drink up!

willem post
January 21, 2021 5:52 am

WORLD AND US PRIMARY ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND CAPITAL COST
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/world-total-energy-consumption

World energy consumption is projected to increase to 736 quads in 2040 from 575 quads in 2015, an increase of 28%, according to the latest from the US Energy Information Administration, EIA. 
See URL and click on PPT to access data, click on to page 4 of PowerPoint
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/

Most of this growth is expected to come from countries that are not in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, OECD, and especially from countries where demand is driven by strong economic growth, particularly in Asia.
 
Non-OECD Asia, which includes China and India, accounted for more than 60% of the world’s total increase in energy consumption from 2015 through 2040.
 
PARIS AGREEMENTS
 
China, India, and other developing Asian countries, and Africa, and Middle and South America need to use low-cost energy, such as coal, to be competitive.
 
They would not have signed up for “Paris”, if they had not been allowed to be more or less exempt from the Paris agreements

Obama agreed to commit the US to the Paris agreements, i.e., be subject to its financial and other obligations for decades. 
However, he never submitted the commitment to the US Senate for ratification, as required by the US Constitution. 
Trump rescinded the commitment. It became effective 3 years later, one day after the US presidential elections on November 3, 2020.

If the US had not left “Paris”, a UN Council likely would have determined a level of renewable energy, RE, spending, say $500 billion/y, for distributing to various poorer countries by UN bureaucrats. 
The Council would have assessed OECD members, likely in proportion to their GDPs. 
The US and Europe would have been assessed at 100 to 150 billion dollars/y each.
The non-OECD countries likely would continue to be more or less exempt from paying for the Paris agreements.

Dave-E
January 21, 2021 7:12 am

The Paris Climate Accord was never constitutionally ratified and, except that our garbage elite see it as a moneymaking opportunity for them, is not legally binding. Leftists have invented a fiction that if the document doesn’t call itself “treaty” but instead other euphemisms to describe itself, then all it takes is a simple Senate majority to impose it on Americans. Of course, Republicans spinelessly allowed Sen. Cocker to introduce legislation to pass the Iran Nuclear “deal” by simple majority, after it was obvious it didn’t command 67 Senate votes. All this is yet another insult to citizens’ intelligence, because the assumption apparently is we’re to stupid to know synonyms for treaty include, contract, deal, accord, arrangement, convention, concord, pact, settlement, understanding, and a host of similar terms. But then, unconstitutional is SOP for DC tyrants.

Mickey Reno
January 21, 2021 7:51 am

Restart the brainwashing! The beatings will stop when we’re all happy to be paying much more for much less, for blackout risks (hello Germany, Australia, California, UK) for intermittent, unreliable, much more expensive electricity, for more expensive food and consumer goods, which depend on the transportation sector. Goodbye to millions of jobs. Remember Obama’s promise? Prices (for energy) will necessarily skyrocket. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Stop voting for far lefties if you don’t want far leftism.

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griff
Reply to  Mickey Reno
January 21, 2021 9:59 am

Germany has the world’s most reliable electric grid – far, far more reliable than any part of the USA

Editor
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 10:07 am

They now have the world HIGHEST electric prices.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 10:55 am

Without stats to back up your claim, Griff, you are chewing crud.

MarkW
Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 1:07 pm

The stats have been provided by others. Many times. griff believes what it’s handlers tell it to believe.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 12:00 pm

Only after making sure that they can shut down huge swathes of it at need – which need will become increasingly more common. Doesn’t really fit the bill as ‘reliable’ though does it? You could describe anything as ‘reliable’ if it’s shut down and not used – by that metric the N.Korean energy grid is by far the most ‘reliable’ as it almost non-existent.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2021 9:32 pm

I guess it doesn’t count as a black out if it’s done on purpose.

fred250
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 12:30 pm

Germany HAD the world’s most reliable electric grid.

There… fixed your ignorant LIES

Its got SO BAD now that the ignorant “greenies-in-charge” are looking at making it legal to intentionally turn off people’s power whenever their incompetence leads to electricity grid problems.

https://notrickszone.com/2021/01/19/last-ditch-effort-germany-weighs-electricity-rationing-scheme-to-stabilize-its-now-shaky-green-power-grid/

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 1:06 pm

This has been refuted so many times, but as usual, griff doesn’t care.
He has his propaganda to push. No time left to deal with reality.

Reply to  griff
January 21, 2021 2:01 pm

When the German grid operator has to force/order industrial companies to shutdown operations to conserve electricity to prevent a black-out, that’s some weird definition of “reliable” there Griff. Being ordered to shutdown to prevent a black-out would not be called reliable energy in my book.

ResourceGuy
January 21, 2021 8:19 am

It just needs the minor footnote that the “truth and unity” actually refers to promotional agenda truths and the unity thing is with advocacy groups and UN agency funding goals.

MarkW
Reply to  ResourceGuy
January 21, 2021 9:33 pm

Did Biden call for unity, before or after CNN demanded all Trump supporters be deprogrammed?

Jeff Alberts
January 21, 2021 9:10 am

Such unification! Re-joining a controversial “agreement” without dialog. The great UNIFIER!

Timothy R Robinson
January 21, 2021 10:36 am

As usual, the evil will persist, Trump opened our eyes, but failed to do the job that needed to be done, protect us from these evil doer’s. We can only hope for Biden and his USA policies to screw up so bad, that even ANTIFA will be calling for Trumps return.
As we here, that keep up with the stories that WUWT has provided for us and the brilliant comments and debates that go into this site know, that the climate scientist will keep their ears flapped over and sit back and enjoy their lucrative pay outs from climate activist and scamsters from around the world.
The obvious change will be in the carbon credit market. We will now need to pay to put the co2 into the atmosphere. But as regulars to this site know, paying more for the permit to use more co2 doesn’t reduce the co2 it just makes it more expensive for consumers, ergo, inflation.
Here are a couple of links. One is pro carbon credits, of course it comes with a “how great it shall be” scammers read.
https://native.eco/product/carbon-offsets/

The other is from, Christian Science Monitor, telling us that the market is ripe for fraud. I think the current market in the EU is around 3-6 dollars per ton. But with the USA getting on board, this amount could soar.
https://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2010/0420/Buying-carbon-offsets-may-ease-eco-guilt-but-not-global-warming

MarkW
Reply to  Timothy R Robinson
January 21, 2021 1:08 pm

Screwing up badly is what Antifa wants. They want the system to collapse. They believe that in the resulting chaos, they will be able to take over. It’s worked before.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
January 21, 2021 9:34 pm

I wonder if it is Simon or Loydo who’s gone through and down voted every one of my posts?

starzmom
January 21, 2021 10:40 am

Sounds to me like the Chinese, Ukrainians and Russians have gotten what they paid for.

Reply to  starzmom
January 21, 2021 2:03 pm

The CCP still has paid-up contracts waiting for fulfillment from The Big Guy.

TRM
January 21, 2021 10:43 am

Now the Ununited Soviet States of America is rolled out. They have control of ALL branches of your government now.

Only 2/7 supreme court justices, 13/100 senators, 120/435 congress, 0/8 joint chiefs of staff, 0/1 VP think free & FAIR elections matter. The rest are going along with the most blatant, in your face, over the top cheating since Marcos in the Philippines.

They will not only rejoin they will pass it in the senate. Freedom was nice while it lasted but it’s over unless some states leave the union.

Wish I was wrong on this but stop hoping for the best and prepare for the worst because it’s coming like a freight train.

Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 10:44 am

</blockquote>…having seen and considered the Paris Agreement</blockquote>Like hell, he has.

Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 10:44 am

<blockquote>…having seen and considered the Paris Agreement</blockquote>Like hell, he has.

Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 10:45 am

<blockquote>…having seen and considered the Paris Agreement</blockquote>Like hell, he has.
(I will get it working!!)

Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 10:46 am

I guess old <> formatting doesn’t work..

TonyG
Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 21, 2021 11:09 am

No, it doesn’t. The new input box is a WYSIWYG editor. You should see formatting options along the bottom.

Click the quotation marks for a block quote

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