CNN: Chinese Covid-19 Coverup Documents Leaked

President of China, Xi Jinping arrives in London, 19 October 2015.
President of China, Xi Jinping arrives in London, 19 October 2015. By Foreign and Commonwealth Office (China State Visit) [CC BY 2.0 or OGL], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Looks like President Trump was right about China lying about Covid cases. According to leaked documents revealed by CNN, China grossly underreported the scale of the Covid outbreak in Mainland China.

The Wuhan files

Leaked documents reveal China’s mishandling of the early stages of Covid-19

Exclusive by Nick Paton Walsh, CNN

Updated 0839 GMT (1639 HKT) December 1, 2020

London — A group of frontline medical workers, likely exhausted, stand huddled together on a video-conference call as China’s most powerful man raises his hand in greeting. It is February 10 in Beijing and President Xi Jinping, who for weeks has been absent from public view, is addressing hospital staff in the city of Wuhan as they battle to contain the spread of a still officially unnamed novel coronavirus.From a secure room about 1,200 kilometers (745 miles) from the epicenter, Xi expressed his condolences to those who have died in the outbreak. He urged greater public communication, as around the world concerns mounted about the potential threat posed by the new disease.That same day, Chinese authorities reported 2,478 new confirmed cases — raising the total global number to more than 40,000, with fewer than 400 cases occurring outside of mainland China. Yet CNN can now reveal how official documents circulated internally show that this was only part of the picture.CNN’s key findings

In a report marked “internal document, please keep confidential,” local health authorities in the province of Hubei, where the virus was first detected, list a total of 5,918 newly detected cases on February 10, more than double the official public number of confirmed cases, breaking down the total into a variety of subcategories. This larger figure was never fully revealed at that time, as China’s accounting system seemed, in the tumult of the early weeks of the pandemic, to downplay the severity of the outbreak.

Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

Meanwhile the Chinese Communist Party is desperately trying to distract attention from their catastrophic mismanagement of the Covid outbreak; their persecution of whistleblowers, callous disregard for other nations and authoritarian coverups.

Now they are trying to claim Australia is the source of the Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak.

China claims coronavirus may have started in AUSTRALIA and travelled to Wuhan’s wet market via frozen steak exports – and attacks US alliance with insulting new cartoon

  • Beijing officials and media are pushing theory coronavirus did not start in China 
  • An article in state-controlled Global Times said it was imported on frozen food 
  • Article said countries including Australia exported food to Wuhan wet market 
  • Western scientists say the theory is ‘highly speculative’ and unlikely to be true 

By CHARLIE MOORE, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

PUBLISHED: 11:31 AEDT, 7 December 2020 | UPDATED: 14:02 AEDT, 7 December 2020

Beijing has claimed that coronavirus may have spawned outside China and travelled to a wet market in Wuhan via frozen food exports from countries including Australia.

An article in the government-controlled Global Times newspaper on Sunday said the idea the virus was imported into the Huanan wet market last year ‘cannot be ruled out’ – although it admitted there is no supporting evidence.

Beijing has been pushing the theory since October when experts tracing an outbreak in Qingdao city found living coronavirus samples on packets of imported frozen cod.  

Western scientists say the theory is ‘highly speculative’ and believe it is much more likely that the disease first passed from animals to humans in the Wuhan area. 

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9024311/China-claims-coronavirus-started-AUSTRALIA.html

China’s increasingly absurd quest for someone else to blame, and ongoing failure to come clean on their internal Covid problems, demonstrates they have learned nothing and done nothing to address the flaws in their system of government which created this catastrophe.

This is not the first time the Chinese communist coverups of disease outbreaks have led to unnecessary deaths. In 2003 China confessed to covering up a major SARS outbreak. SARS is a close relative of Covid-19.

China confesses to SARS cover-up

April 21, 2003 — 10.00am

Beijing: The Chinese leadership has taken dramatic action to end a cover-up of the SARS epidemic by revealing 14 new deaths and hundreds of cases, sacking two senior officials and cancelling May Day holidays as the worldwide deathtoll climbed to 204.

The move followed international criticism of China’s handling of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

It also came as Hong Kong announced seven new deaths from the disease.

Singapore, with 14 recorded SARS deaths, took the drastic step of ordering 2,400 people to quarantine themselves at home for 10 days because they might have come into contact with a SARS sufferer at a market.

In a statement on Sunday the Chinese health ministry said there were 346 confirmed cases and 402 suspected cases in Beijing alone, and that 18 people had died from SARS in the capital.

The number of cases in Beijing is nine times higher than the previous official figure of 44 cases and four deaths. The nationwide death toll from SARS has been raised to 79 with 1,814 confirmed cases of the illness.

Shortly after the statement state media reported that Health Minister Zhang Wenkang and Beijing mayor Meng Xuenong were removed from senior positions in the Communist Party, a formal step which will almost certainly see them fired from their government posts.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/national/china-confesses-to-sars-cover-up-20030421-gdgmyx.html

Why does this keep happening?

The fundamental problem, in my opinion, is Communists are no good at communicating bad news to the boss. From the Soviet Chernobyl disaster to SARS in 2003, and now to Covid-19, again and again we have seen an utter failure to act rationally, and decision paralysis in the face of unexpected events, until the problem is so severe it can no longer be concealed. With no free press to smooth the flow of information, it often takes way too long for seriously bad news to filter through to the real decision makers. When the information does get through, decision makers act in their own personal best interests, often with a callous disregard for the safety of other nations.

This structural Chinese Communist incompetence, with their endemic aversion to releasing bad news, even to their own superiors, and with their serial track record of concealing disease outbreaks instead of trying to contain them, in my opinion is an ongoing threat both to their own people and to the rest of the world.

Next time the ChiComs cover up a disease outbreak, and there will be a next time, the disease which finally emerges could be far worse than Covid-19 or SARS.

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Bryan A
December 6, 2020 10:30 pm

An article in the government-controlled Global Times newspaper on Sunday said the idea the virus was imported into the Huanan wet market last year ‘cannot be ruled out’ – although it admitted there is no supporting evidence.

Half truth…The Virus WAS transported to the Wet Market but it was transported from Leeds than a mile away

Beijing has been pushing the theory since October when experts tracing an outbreak in Qingdao city found living coronavirus samples on packets of imported frozen cod.

Well of course it was found on frozen food packets…BeiJing placed it there to be “found”

Reply to  Bryan A
December 7, 2020 12:29 am

Blah blah blah blah…. I got as far as
“…as they battle to contain the spread of a still officially unnamed novel coronavirus…”
A Mr. Richard Rothscild registered a patent for “…method for testing for Covid-19…” in 2015 already. We know They have been hoarding vaccines for this “plandemic” since at least 2017. They have been telling us about their international release of an …”attenuated coronavirus…” to track the spread through metropolitan populations since at least early 2018.
What’s up with that?

Adam Gallon
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 6:03 am

Do you always talk out of your arse?

MarkW
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 8:31 am

The 19 in Covid19 stands for 2019.
Are you actually daft enough to believe that a patent in 2015 references covid19?????

Neo
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 10:09 am

Patent US20200279585A1
System and Method for Testing for COVID-19

It appears it was filed in 2015 but amended at least 4 times, twice this year, probably to include the phrase/word “COVID-19”

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Neo
December 7, 2020 4:22 pm

“Fact check: Rothschild did not patent a test for COVID-19 in 2015 and 2017” — source: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-patent/fact-check-rothschild-did-not-patent-a-test-for-covid-19-in-2015-and-2017-idUSKBN27C34O

First paragraph of the Reuters article:
“The false claim that a testing method for COVID-19 was patented by Richard Rothschild in 2015 and 2017 has been shared online. The patent for a system that analyses biometric data to determine whether the user is suffering from COVID-19 was not applied for until May 17, 2020.”

Furthermore, the patent’s original name was ““System and Method For Using, Processing, and Displaying Biometric Data” . . . no mention of COVID-19 in the title or abstract of that patent.

Many people are way too gullible and are easily taken in by faked “information” floating around on the Web.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Neo
December 7, 2020 4:47 pm

You too?

“Fact check: Rothschild did not patent a test for COVID-19 in 2015 and 2017” — source: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-patent/fact-check-rothschild-did-not-patent-a-test-for-covid-19-in-2015-and-2017-idUSKBN27C34O

First paragraph of the Reuters article:
“The false claim that a testing method for COVID-19 was patented by Richard Rothschild in 2015 and 2017 has been shared online. The patent for a system that analyses biometric data to determine whether the user is suffering from COVID-19 was not applied for until May 17, 2020.”

Furthermore, the patent’s original name was ““System and Method For Using, Processing, and Displaying Biometric Data” . . . no mention of COVID-19 in the title or abstract of that patent.

Many people are way too gullible and too easily taken in by faked “information” floating around on the Web. I guess they rely on other people to use the Web to correct them if they are wrong . . . in other words, they are just intellectually lazy.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 8:31 am

paranoid goy posted: “A Mr. Richard Rothscild registered a patent for ‘…method for testing for Covid-19…’ in 2015 already.”

What sophomoric rubbish! No reference for such claimed patent is given, of course. In what nation was it filed?

“On February 11, 2020, the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak. The new name of this disease is coronavirus disease 2019, abbreviated as COVID-19. In COVID-19, ‘CO’ stands for ‘corona,’ ‘VI’ for ‘virus,’ and ‘D’ for disease.” — source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/about-COVID-19.html#:~:text=On%20February%2011%2C%202020%2C%20the,and%20'D'%20for%20disease.

A little mismatch in timelines, there.

This gives me pause to consider that “paranoid goy” (possible misspelling of “guy”?) is perhaps just a ChiCom troll or bot.

Climate believer
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 7, 2020 11:45 am

Mr Dressler > “This gives me pause to consider that “paranoid goy” (possible misspelling of “guy”?) is perhaps just a ChiCom troll or bot.”

Goy or Goyim is Yiddish for someone who isn’t a Jew….. make of that what you will.

Frederick Michael
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 8:53 am

Rothscild knew the name COVID-19 in 2015?

That’s more impressive than the patent.

Neo
Reply to  Bryan A
December 7, 2020 10:03 am

The idea the virus was brought by a Yeti to the Huanan wet market last year ‘cannot be ruled out’ – although it admitted there is no supporting evidence.

Joel O'Bryan
December 6, 2020 10:32 pm

The Chinese Communist Party has a long range plan.
That is what communists do. Plan. Top down.
Especially the Chinese who plan for the long game.

” “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”
– Mike Tyson

US 7th Fleet and the USAF has that punch, if’n Dementia Joe knows how to use it. But that’s doubtful given his dementia and an advisory staff that includes Heinz-Lurch-Kerry.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 7, 2020 6:05 am

The US 7th Fleet, would be quickly sunk & the USAF would be missing a great number of planes & crew, should any idiot politician, be stupid enough to send them against China & the military agreed to do it.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Adam Gallon
December 7, 2020 11:28 am

Circumstances matter, but in a high seas engagement, I doubt many of the ChiCom vessels would see their home ports again.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
December 7, 2020 6:48 pm

Cruise missiles and drones make most ships sitting ducks and they are getting faster and faster and deadlier and deadlier. It is a lot easier and cheaper to improve cruise missiles and drones than it is to build big ships.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
December 8, 2020 6:33 am

Look up the Phalanx point air defense system. It’s basically a Vulcan cannon used for ship defense.

bonbon
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 7, 2020 7:19 am

Dementia strikes all who are anyway near Mighty Caesar Pompeo.
Ever heard of asymmetric thermonuclear warfare?

Is is sure over in a Blink-en of an eye! Pun intended!

To push the US into another Asian land war, AGAIN, is sure dementia. Forgotten Vietnam already?

The USA will not take orders from London’s Henry Jackson Society, Pompeo’s bosses.

And an Aussie following in the wake of a US dreadnaught, is downright demeaning!

Drake
Reply to  bonbon
December 7, 2020 7:56 am

There would not be a land war, no need.

Blockade China and their economy collapses. Europe and the rest of the world dependent on EVERYTHING from China would need to reverse the climate catastrophic “energy” policies and begin returning to manufacturing their own goods.

TRUMP! started the US towards that, but could not continue the movement when the Dems took back the house.

Lee L
Reply to  Drake
December 7, 2020 10:35 am

Drake …
Blockade China and whose economy collapses alongside?
Ever been to your local Walmart? Or had a look at the electronics components in your life ( or your car) or source of steel components or …

Globalization did its work.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lee L
December 7, 2020 1:01 pm

Well, about 75 percent of U.S. Gross Domestic Product is generated internally between Americans. The other 25 percent of U.S. GDP comes from foreign trade, with Canada and Mexico being the biggest U.S. trade partners and account for about half of the 25 percent. The rest is made up of the other nations of the world, including China. China ia a minor player in the U.S. economy. And if Trump continues in office, China’s market share will be even less.

MarkG
Reply to  Lee L
December 7, 2020 4:32 pm

The big problem is electronics, because most high-tech chips are now made in Taiwan. China can certainly do lot to wreck trade between the US and Taiwan.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 7, 2020 8:32 am

Vietnam was won, until the politicians gave away the victory.
Ditto for Iraq.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 1:09 pm

And what do Vietnam and Iraq have in common? Both were in good shape and headed for a bright future under Republican control, and both were thrown to the murderous wolves under Democrat control.

Democrats are not mentally capable of defending the United States or its allies. They have failed every time they have tried. And millions of innocent people were displaced and/or k!lled as a result.

Now along comes Joe “Traitor” Biden, whose former Defense Secretary, Gates, said Joe Biden had been wrong on every foreign policy decision for the last 40 years. Gates is right, too.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 7, 2020 4:16 pm

Most Democrats agree with our enemies that the US is the great Satan, so to them betraying our allies is as natural as breathing.

Orson
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2020 12:28 am

Precisely.

Our OP writes “ The fundamental problem, in my opinion, is Communists are no good at communicating bad news to the boss.”

Yet our betters like George Soros and NYTimes columnist Thomas Friedman insist that The CCP does it better than we do, and that we must emulate the China way.

We’re stupid not to, they insist. In fact, soon they will happily force us to be like China.

Bernie
December 6, 2020 10:34 pm

So how is that going to be different to the Biden administration and its MSM echo chamber. They cant even admit to massive election fraud. Just like CCP.

JoHo
Reply to  Bernie
December 7, 2020 12:10 am

Surely the Chinese will, now that they have a US President Elect in their pocket, want their pound of flesh for the $5m loan they made to Biden’s company?

Scissor
Reply to  JoHo
December 7, 2020 5:30 am

There’s the loan (really a grant) that is well documented and also ownership interest in at least one Chinese company currently valued at over $50 million.

JoHo
Reply to  Scissor
December 7, 2020 1:59 pm

Scissor, surely this (loan) wasn’t known until recently when the emails were interrogated on Hunter Biden’s laptop, so I am unsure about well documented(?)

Orson
Reply to  JoHo
December 8, 2020 2:51 am

Yeah, Scissor: that firm went bust. The $50 million figure was a maximum interest in future income, anyway. But BribeMe’s son figured that much, IIRC.

Leonard
December 6, 2020 10:35 pm

I think you are much too kind with Chinese about the Wuhan pandemic. I believe it is much worse that reluctance to give the “bosses” bad news.

Scissor
Reply to  Leonard
December 7, 2020 6:19 am

Was its release intentional?

It’s clear that a propaganda campaign was launched at some point by the CCP that exaggerated the threat. For example, do you recall those videos of people falling over dead in the street?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Leonard
December 7, 2020 1:18 pm

” I believe it is much worse that reluctance to give the “bosses” bad news.”

I agree. The Chicoms would have noticed the virus in pretty short order, regardless of whether a few local officials were trying to hide it, and there’s no evidence this was the case anyway.

The Chicoms put all Chinese military installations around Wuhan on lockdown right around November 1, 2019, according to the Taiwanese. I think this was when the Chicom leadership realized they had a problem on their hands.

So the Chicoms had been dealing with this virus for a long time before word got out into the greater world, although Taiwan was warning the WHO that something was going on in China long before any public pronouncements were made by the Chicoms or the WHO.

The Chicoms had months to figure out what they were going to do with regard to the Wuhan virus. They chose to send it out into the whole world, so the whole world would be just as miserable as them. If they were going to be hurt by the virus, then they were going to make sure everyone else got hurt too, so they could have a level playing field. it’s the way murderous dictators look at the world.

Orson
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 8, 2020 2:54 am

An Act of War from the CCP. Yet, with the frequency of new viruses out of that region, deniable despite this.

Warren
December 6, 2020 10:38 pm

“Next time the ChiComs cover up a disease outbreak, and there will be a next time, the disease which finally emerges could be far worse than Covid-19 or SARS”.

And next time the cover-up will involve Australian and American politicians. Thanks to CO2 alarmism, we’re a burgeoning division of China Inc.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren
December 7, 2020 8:34 am

“And next time the cover-up will involve Australian and American politicians.”

How does that differ from this time.
We still have politicians who deny that there is any connection between this disease and China.

December 6, 2020 11:09 pm

Meanwhile, thanks to Comrade Pavlechuck, Chinese company has control of Keswick Island off Mackay, Queensland, prohibiting access to landowners and tourists.

LdB
December 6, 2020 11:09 pm

They were lucky it wasn’t an Australian kangaroo strain it would have jumped all over the place kicking you hard as it went.

stinkerp
December 7, 2020 12:08 am

The fundamental problem, in my opinion, is Communists are no good at communicating bad news to the boss

The fundamental problem is socialism/communism. It’s a government system completely at odds with natural human behavior so you have to develop a rigid cognitive dissonance to rationalize that all the disasters happening are caused by something other than your terrible government system. Self-deception, lying, and covering up becomes second nature. It’s a survival mechanism. Viktor Frankl explained the bizarre behaviors of people in concentration camps thus:

An abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal behavior

Observer
Reply to  stinkerp
December 7, 2020 3:06 am

China allows private ownership of means of production. ie, private companies compete with each other to supply goods & services to consumers.

This means it’s no longer a socialist country.

DHR
Reply to  Observer
December 7, 2020 4:45 am

But it still operates as a dictatorship which controls the “private” companies in any way the dictator demands. There is a name for this system of government. It’s called Fascism.

TonyG
Reply to  DHR
December 7, 2020 8:14 am

Nice to see someone who actually understands what Fascism really is!

rleewinters
Reply to  TonyG
December 7, 2020 2:12 pm

I’ve been saying for more than 2 years that China is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century without the racial purity fixation of Adolph Hitler. The only difference is that Capitalism pre-existed in Germany. Somehow the Chinese figured out that capitalism could and did incentivize productivity in a billion people who were coming nowhere close to their potential. Now that productivity potential has been demonstrated, the government still owns the guns from whence power comes, paraphrasing a quote from Mao, or was it Chou En Lai.

leowaj
Reply to  Observer
December 7, 2020 6:45 am

Observer, that’s not the whole picture. CCP career party members have a large stake in private businesses, especially ones that operate on a global scale. CCP career members are trained and indoctrinated Maoists, an even more extreme form of Leninism. When they speak, the company listens. Executive management be damned.

It is not a socialist country. Correct. It is a totalitarian regime.

MarkW
Reply to  Observer
December 7, 2020 8:35 am

That’s only true for small companies.

ferdberple
Reply to  Observer
December 7, 2020 9:43 am

China allows private ownership
==========
no citizen of China can legally own land. Without land you own nothing.

Newt2u
Reply to  ferdberple
December 7, 2020 1:27 pm

Also true in Amsterdam, so tell them that as well!

Gaz
Reply to  Newt2u
December 7, 2020 2:25 pm

Or in Canberra!

Joel L Hammer
Reply to  Observer
December 7, 2020 8:33 pm

It was remarked in the 1930’s that Communism is failed Socialism. And Fascism is failed Communism.
China is now a fascist country.

Alex
December 7, 2020 12:08 am

“This structural Chinese Communist incompetence”

Eric, may be, you remember that China is the only country in the world that stopped the epidemy.
On the contrary, the completely incompetent US government lead its own country in the very disaster with nearly 300,000 dead and every 15th U.S. citizen infected.

May be, you should mention that China Covid-19 vaccine Sinovac is very efficient and about 1,000,000 chinese are already vaccinated.

Alex
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2020 2:24 am

Have you ever seen a politician that never lies? That is their job.
The fact is though, they stopped the epidemic inside and are now much better off than any other country.

paul courtney
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 9:07 am

Mr. Alex: You say it’s a fact. You are, no doubt, on the ground in China and giving us first person information. Which district are you in? ‘Cause we sure could use first hand reliable info from inside the country.
Or are you reporting from a basement here in the US, telling us “facts” that you are fed?

Alex
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 11:24 am

My two PhD students are now in China. In Beijing and Shanghai.
I have first hand information

paul courtney
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 12:28 pm

Well, if they are Phd students, then we have no choice but to accept your “facts” as given.
Except now we know you are some kind of professor. Who relies on two people not in Hubei for news from Wuhan. Professor, you should be more careful telling us “facts” that you do not know.
Don’t you wonder how the CCP got so far ahead in a vaccine race, when the virus came in on Australian frozen food? Or is that last bit not a “fact”? How do you discern the facts, does one of your students know whether it came from Oz?
Sorry, doc, we’ll wait on reliable sources.

MarkW
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 12:52 pm

If it’s coming from your students, then by definition, it isn’t first hand information.

So now the rest of us have to wonder not only about Alex’s trustworthiness, but that of his student’s as well?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 1:32 pm

“My two PhD students are now in China.”

Did Trump deport them? Trump’s been forcing a lot of Chinese students and professors to leave the United States because they are a national security risk.

The Director of National Intelligence claims Chicoms are trying to bribe American congresscritters to do their bidding. We may have to deport some of our congresscritters. Are the Chicoms going to give them refuge? Just wondering.

MarkW
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 9:10 am

If they lie, how do you know they stopped the epidemic?

Newt2u
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 1:40 pm

I can report on one city, Jinan,where life is back to normal. Weekly updates from local relatives.

MarkG
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 4:37 pm

Life would be back to normal in the West if we stopped ‘testing’ for ‘cases’.

DKR
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 10:34 am

A politicians job is to lie? What kind of distorted word view leads to this belief. You need help

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 1:27 pm

“The fact is though, they stopped the epidemic inside and are now much better off than any other country.”

Yeah, and the Chicoms have been working on a Wuhan virus vaccine a lot longer than other nations. The Chicoms had a couple of months head start. While they were pretending to the outside world that the virus could not be spread from person to person, with the WHO helping them to spread this lie.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2020 6:29 am

Tell us about the CCP’s organ harvesting from living “donors” while you’re at it.

Laertes
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 1:52 am

A country that helds millions of people in concentration camps has very efficient means to “stop” an epidemic.

They’re called mass graves.

H CIRE
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 2:45 am

Ah… the ubiquitous CCP troll…

Was wondering how long it would take for one to show up…

What happened? Did Reddit kick you out?

icisil
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 2:54 am

It’s very easy to stop an epidemy like covid. Throttle back the PCR cycle threshold and code deaths as something other than covid. Cases and mortality will drop precipitously. Declare epidemy over.

Scissor
Reply to  icisil
December 7, 2020 6:21 am

Yes. I’ve read that there are places using above 40 cycles.

mkelly
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 6:01 am

Alex, many of those deaths and infected you mention were in states with communist kindred governors. I suppose you will now tell us what a good job Cuomo did.

Rusty
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 7:58 am

I wonder how you and the media would have reacted if Trump had come on national television and said he was deploying the armed forces to forcibly quarantine entire cities, including welding people into their own appartments if need be.

Comparing the US and China is like comapring chalk and cheese in relation to covid and the response.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 8:51 am

Alex posted: “. . . you remember that China is the only country in the world that stopped the epidemy.”

Well, if that is true (and it’s certainly not verifiable given the CCP’s history lying and coverups and maintaining a totalitarian, closed nation state), then it shows that mainland China must have know an awful lot about the details of this specific virus long before its admitted outbreak in Wuhan, which just provides more evidence of the following conclusions:
If the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s BSL-4 lab was conducting dangerous gain-of-function work to engineer a vaccine against a possible future NATURAL outbreak of COVID-like virus, it has been an utter failure (outside of China) . . . if, instead, its purpose was to develop a biological weapon to use against countries outside of China, it has been shown to be an outstanding success.

MarkW
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 7, 2020 4:23 pm

According to N. Korea, they’ve never had the virus in the first place.

According to several here, there are a number of other countries that have supposedly stopped the virus in it’s tracks.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 7:23 pm

Sorry MarkW, I stopped reading after “According to N. Korea . . .”

MarkW
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 9:10 am

So the rest of the world should have sealed citizens in their homes and shot anyone seen on the street?

It really is amazing how some people just love totalitarian regimes. Perhaps they envision themselves as being the ones in charge and being able to order the deaths of anyone they don’t like.

leowaj
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 12:04 pm

Alex, you made two poor arguments.

1. You compared the US to China by comparing US’s dead count to China’s vaccinated count. When one draws a conclusion from two incomparable sets of facts, it is called a “false dichotomy”. A false dichotomy undermines your argument.

2. You make a straw man argument. A straw man argument is (intentional or not) is an attempt to claim a refutation of an opposing argument while presenting irrelevant facts or otherwise distorting the opposing argument. Claiming China is better off because it is already distributing a vaccine (supposedly) carries no weight because no one can independently verify the number of dead (or vaccinated) in China. A straw man undermines your argument.

I hope next time you will form a more convincing argument. Preferably with fewer fallacies.

rleewinters
Reply to  Alex
December 7, 2020 2:25 pm

IMO, the Chinese government determined early in the onset of the disease that the victims who died were elderly, those with comorbidities and other issues that meant as a group, the least productive people in the country. In the long run, the loss of government pensioners (yes, they have them), and a low producing people was not going to be a big problem. It could even be beneficial to a tyrannical government like China’s.

Orson
Reply to  Alex
December 8, 2020 3:10 am

Alex the premise this statement assumes is false: “ the completely incompetent US government lead its own country in the very disaster with nearly 300,000 dead and every 15th U.S. citizen infected.” Which is that the federal government had the power to lead the country to completely shut down. We still receive a few hundred thousand illegal aliens a year.

I know this illusion/delusion is popular on the NE corridor. But I’m unable to find a historical instance in the US where leadership was more powerful and helpful than nature (genetic drift in a virus), time, and science like modern vaccines.

As the late great psychiatrist Thomas Szasz might have put it, scapegoat much? Which was one of his prolific writings most frequent themes because it remains a powerful primitive human impulse that amounts to cult belief. And thus cannot really be countered.

Kenan Meyer
December 7, 2020 12:10 am

Remember, the chinese communists are by far the biggest mass murderers in the history of mankind. That’s what genocide statistics tell us. And they are always happy, it seems, to increase those numbers.

Dodgy Geezer
December 7, 2020 12:19 am

It’s not only ‘Communists’ who don’t want to pass bad news up the chain.

ANY centralised bureaucracy will behave in the same way. And more and more, the West is becoming controlled by a central bureaucracy in just the same way as the Communist countries in the 1950s…..

commieBob
December 7, 2020 12:23 am

… and there will be a next time …

Arguably, some of China’s neighbors, like Taiwan for instance, learned from SARS and reacted instantly before the Wuflu even had a name and were able to contain the disease without resorting to lock downs. As far as I can tell, we didn’t learn much from SARS. link

On the other hand … The Wuflu isn’t raging in some countries where you think it would. link I wouldn’t believe that some of those countries were able to mount a reasonable defence to anything. It could have something to do with malaria or it could be genetic, or it could be something else like sunlight.

Ecuador had a miserable time and had bodies lying in the streets. The government admitted the cases were woefully under reported. Anyway, if there were gross under reporting in some countries, the death toll couldn’t be ignored.

I find it interesting that the parts of Ecuador that were affected were the same parts where malaria had been reduced to near zero. Certainly some folks have noticed a negative correlation between Wuflu incidence and malaria incidence. That may, or may not, mean something. The Netherlands is doing much better than Belgium. Is it possible that tulips convey immunity to the Wuflu? Correlations don’t always mean anything.

There is evidence that malaria medication is nowhere near as effective as calcifediol (a Vitamin D metabolite) in combating the Wuflu. Spanish study Somebody has to debunk that study or else calcifediol has to become the standard treatment. As far as I can tell, it’s being studiously ignored. /rant

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  commieBob
December 7, 2020 1:05 am

That study isn’t being ignored.

It’s being checked with BLM and XR to confirm that it’s politically correct to release it. There is some concern that a junior member of the team might be right-wing…

Josie
Reply to  commieBob
December 7, 2020 5:04 am

The Dutch are pretty pigheaded and don’t do much testing neither do they install many corona apps and for the rest they stay out of care facilities (especially for old people) as long as is humanly possible or else they are being kept out because too expensive. And possibly there are differences in counting.

Anyway, much as I dislike the CCP I don’t think CNN is that thrustworthy. The timing of this is way off. It feels stale.

rbabcock
Reply to  commieBob
December 7, 2020 6:21 am

My daughter-in-law’s aunt just came down with the Wuflu Saturday. I asked what treatment she is being given and the answer was none! The standard of care is nothing! And this woman is in her 60’s.

For all the various studies being done around the world it appears Ivermectin/Zn/antibiotic is the clear winner in early cases but evidently here in North Carolina we can’t trust people outside of the state to give us any viable data. It costs basically nothing for the three supplements. They have been around for years and are completely safe, especially given over 10 days or so. At the very least providing this to her would be the better than nothing. It has gotten to the point where you have to look out for yourself, because no one else will.

Ian W
Reply to  rbabcock
December 7, 2020 7:31 am

Search for the Zelenko protocol. It is the same as the ‘Front Line Doctors’. It is based on raising the levels of intRAcellular zinc which blocks the virus replication.

See – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/

As the reference paper says it is not necessary to use HCQ you can use any zinc ionophore the easiest is quercetin. Online health stores already sell zinc/quercetin ‘immune support’ as combined capsules (showing that it is common knowledge). Also take Vitamin D3 supplements and selenium (a brazil nut a day) – both vitamin D and selenium modulate the supply of zinc that the zinc ionophore will help shuttle into the cells.

The important thing is to raise the level of zinc in the body.

If doctors would stop with the assumption that you cannot do anything to cure a virus just palliative care and had instead provided the Zelenko protocol – then there would not have been a pandemic and thousands of deaths would have been prevented and the economy not been crashed.

The reason that many of the ‘clinical trials’ set up by NIH/FDA/CDC did NOT include zinc was to hide zinc’s efficacy in stopping RNA virus infections which would remove the market for many vaccines including influenza and polio. A correct diet sufficient in zinc, selenium and vitamin D ensures that the person will not be susceptible to these infections. Had the medical community which already knew this, said in March 2020 – that everyone MUST be sufficient in these vitamins and minerals; there would have been no pandemic and influenza would also have been largely stopped. Think of the lives that would have been saved – but then $billions would not have been paid by governments for vaccines. A difficult choice for some in the vaccine industry.

Perhaps someone needs to ask them some pointed questions.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rbabcock
December 7, 2020 1:57 pm

“For all the various studies being done around the world it appears Ivermectin/Zn/antibiotic is the clear winner in early cases”

I would go find a doctor who would give me that cocktail. You have to be your own doctor in this case. The Establishment Medical authorities, for some insane reason, are not treating Wuhan virus patients until they are sick enough to go to the hospital.

A relative of mine and her familiy were infected with the Wuhan virus, and her husband recovered from the virus, but the aftereffects are keeping him in bed where he is getting intravenous help. The hospitals are out of emergency room beds, so he is at home, but his wife is a doctor so she can treat him there.

It seems that the Wuhan virus leaves behind blood clots in the small blood vessels of various organs after the virus is gone from the body. Doctors are using blood thinners to try to address this situation. I suppose blood clots in various organs might cause all kinds of problems for people. I also suppose that early treatment of the Wuhan virus right after testing positive might just prevent a lot of this blood clotting. It stands to reason that the longer the virus is in your body, the more blood clots it can create. Early treatment can reduce the residency of the virus in the body by a week or more.

I see where a three-month-old girl was given Remdisivir for her Wuhan virus infection. She is the youngest person to be given the drug, which is usually reserved for those 12-years and older. She recovered.

mwhite
December 7, 2020 12:33 am

“Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy earlier than thought”

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idUKKBN27V0K7

“The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.”

It would appear that the virus may have been spreading around the world last summer.

December 7, 2020 12:47 am

So we are still blaming everyone in the world for a virus that, if it exists, was tailored in a colaborative international effort? Really? We still on about that frigging “wet market”? Just because the Yankees have been dehumanised to the point where they think McDonalds serve actual food, they think every other nation’s food is poisonous, infected, disgusting?
This is one of the poorest attempts at ‘journalism’ WUWT has kotched up in at least two weeks.
And, please, Antoninchrist Fauci has been obsessing about bats infecting humanity since before he had hair on his knackers, get off that nonsense about some bloke eating an infected bat. Even if bats were common fare, the farkin thing gets cooked before eating, or does a coronavirus survive those temperatures now?
And America, please learn the difference between communism and socialism, then you will realise how communist YOU are. And no, capitalism is not the opposite of communism, it is how the Bolsheviks are usurping all private wealth into one big communist account, so stop celebrating your own slavery on that front.
Jeeeziss, this virus crap is getting on my nerves!!!! Baal Gates ahs been trying to scare us into forced vaccination for years now, even though country after country has thrown him and his foetus-snatchers out on their ears because of the death and disease he spreads with his frigging Inject Inside programming.

Hotscot
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 5:54 am

paranoid goy

socialism is communism lite. The difference between the two is written and interpreted by innumerable commentators, none of whom agree, nor does either translate into real life, and neither work. When they do work they are underpinned by Capitalism and Democracy, in which case it isn’t socialism, or communism.

Fantasy concepts formalised up by a champagne swilling member of the elite, to his formula. Everyone since has a different interpretation of his formula of course, depending on how personally greedy they are.

And everyone who supports either are utterly convinced they will be accepted as members of the elite, until they are dragged off to the Gulag, or Auschwitz.

MarkW
Reply to  Hotscot
December 7, 2020 9:17 am

Most progressives have convinced themselves that any system that doesn’t result in them getting rich, is a defective system and all defective systems are pretty much the same.

Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 5:58 am

You are a bat expert? So, the bats at a wet market were dead or alive on ice? Did the cooks preparing the bats wash their hands with sanitizer? If the bats were alive at the wet market – did the bats ever sneeze of cough? What happened to the people who captured the bats? There are some people today who are keeping some chickens in their back yard….and there is a rise in salmonella among them ….go figure.

MarkW
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 9:15 am

This nutcase can’t be for real.

In another post he told us that someone patented a cure for covid19 back in 2015.

Newt2u
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 1:52 pm

To be fair he said test not cure and the patent exists, priority date 2015, I have seen it and you can too if you bother to look it up. The covid 19 could have been edited into the title in a later update, which would not have changed the priority date, i.e first filing.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  paranoid goy
December 7, 2020 9:48 am

paranoid goy posted “Just because the Yankees have been dehumanised . . .” and “This is one of the poorest attempts at ‘journalism’ WUWT has kotched up in at least two weeks” and “And, please, Antoninchrist Fauci has been obsessing about bats infecting humanity since before he had hair on his knackers . . .”
and “And no, capitalism is not the opposite of communism, it is how the Bolsheviks are usurping all private wealth into one big communist account . . .” and “Baal Gates ahs been trying to scare us . . .”

Yes, no further evidence needed that “paranoid goy” is (is the equivalent of) a ChiCom troll or bot.

But of course, it’s free to keep posting its garbage here at WUWT for all readers to enjoy for the humor content.

Alexy Scherbakoff
December 7, 2020 12:56 am

I don’t think it’s a CCP thing. It’s a Chinese /Asian culture thing that predates communism. Death is preferable to humiliation. I lived there for a while and people would never admit to making a mistake. It’s all about losing face.

Climate believer
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2020 5:17 am

I think logically it has to be both.
We are all aware of hierarchical problems inherent in any system of government, and the more politically extreme systems amplify those problems by their very nature. Solzhenitsyn sites many crazy and shocking examples. It is often very hard to believe now people could have such cognitive dissonance but ‘there but for the grace of God, go I’ right…?

Everyone takes their place in the great lie.

Mr Scherbakoff, what you describe is most certainly true, it is referred to by the Chinese as Miàn Zi. Gaining and losing face absolutely, and then add into that a formalised top down plan of their social credit system….

NavarreAggie
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2020 4:57 am

“the lack of free press and suppression of free communication is the key problem”

DING, DING, DING. We have a winner for the chicken dinner.

Unfortunately, we here in the U.S. are also going down that path with the way the media has become a one-party propaganda machine.

Ian W
Reply to  NavarreAggie
December 7, 2020 7:34 am

+10

Reply to  NavarreAggie
December 7, 2020 9:25 am

The USA isn’t alone on that way, Germany, as usual, is following without safety distance.

mwhite
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 7, 2020 7:47 am

Those that love lockdowns often look at S. Korea as a glorious success.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/07/943812120/south-koreas-health-minister-describes-seoul-as-a-covid-19-war-zone?t=1607355502043

Worth watching now. December, January and February, the cold and flu season in the temperate northern hemisphere.

December 7, 2020 1:29 am

Those interested in the Covid-19 lockdown scam may want to read my several new posts on this subject on another thread, starting with this one:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/05/hubble-captures-unprecedented-fading-of-stingray-nebula/#comment-3139589

“… have caught a rare look at a rapidly fading shroud of gas around an aging star.” Thought you were talking about that fading gasbag Joe Biden for a second…

My American friends, I hope you understand what is happening to you. Some do, most don’t – sheep to the slaughter.

It’s ALL a Marxist-Democrat scam – false enviro-hysteria including the Climate and Green-Energy frauds, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, paid-and-planned protests by Antifa and BLM, AND NOW the mail-in ballot US election scam – it’s all false.

We published that the Climate-and-Green-Energy scare was a false narrative in 2002, and by 2009 I wrote that there was a covert agenda, Now the radical greens are admitting that “Global Warming aka Climate Change and Green Energy” was false propaganda, a smokescreen for their neo-Marxist objectives – see recent statements from environmentalist Michael Schellenberger, from Saikat Chakrabarti, former chief of staff for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the latest movie trashing green energy scams from Michael Moore, “Planet of the Humans”.

I called Covid-19 correctly on 21March2020 – NO LOCKDOWN! Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu except for the very elderly and infirm. Covid-19 is less dangerous than seasonal flu’s of recent decades that nobody remembers – the full-Gulag lockdown was not just a huge over-reaction, it was a WHO-led scam.

The UN, the WHO, the IMF and the World Economic Forum (WEF) are using the Covid-19 false crisis to reshape the global economy into their neo-Marxist model, “the Great Reset”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6pzXrEBqR0&feature=youtu.be

In October 2019, Event 201, sponsored by the WEF, the Bill Gates Fdn, etc. simulated a global coronavirus pandemic. https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about
Just months later a relatively mild Wuhan-lab-manufactured coronavirus flu was overblown into a false global pandemic, promoted by the WHO into an economy-destroying global lockdown.

The Covid-19 lockdown enabled the huge mail-in vote, where the Dems produced millions of false ballots. All the pieces of the puzzle were in place.

The radical green objective is to destroy prosperity and move the USA to a planned Marxist economy – essentially a few rich at the top looking down on all the peasants – that describes most countries, and the USA is next if Biden wins.

We stand at the abyss. If Biden wins, it will be the end of freedom. Europe and Canada have already fallen far down that “poverty road to Venezuela”. If America falls, there will be nowhere left to run to.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 7, 2020 2:17 am

Allan

My son, an engineer, has followed the spread of covid-19 since the first news early this year. He has been crunching the data he can access and seeking to interpret it during this whole time. In March he was raising important questions that our head of state – a medical doctor – and the government medical advisors were not asking.

Recently this politician began to ask what he should have considered more than 8 months ago but the damage has been done. My son fears that not only will the collateral damage be huge but that none of the politicians and the medical advisors will be held accountable. Every politician in Ireland who has supported the insane government covid policies should be kicked out of government and never be allowed back.

Why did they not do proper due diligence and attempt some quantification of the costs vs benefits of the lockdowns before they were implemented? Why have they refused to engage with dissenting medical voices? It took a decade to recover from the 2008 housing/economic crash in Ireland. I predict this will take a generation. It is time to deal with these people in the same way a private sector company would with a bungling and reckless CEO.

Boff Doff
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 3:00 am

You are assuming that the people in power were being honest when they said the objective of the lockdowns was to suppress/delay the spread of the virus and that such a policy would provide the most beneficial outcome. No rational analysis could have arrived at that conclusion even then. It doesn’t require the benefit of hindsight to conclude that the real purpose of these destructive policies has not been disclosed and can only be a matter of conjecture.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Boff Doff
December 7, 2020 3:40 am

I never assumed that Irish politicians in power were being honest. I have, however, seen how often political expediency has dictated their actions.

In March our politicians, if they had done their homework, would have recognized that it was primarily old people with other serious medical conditions that would die while the risk to younger and healthy people was very, very low. There was no sense in fear for the children or locking up the healthy. They simply needed to find practical ways to protect the elderly who were at risk.

But not all our politicians are dishonest. A number them are plain stupid, impervious to a carefully reasoned argument or as you say “rational analysis”. This is why they do not want to listen to dissenting voices because it forces them to start thinking seriously and critically about their own views. In fairness, I need say this is not a unique Irish problem but common in Western democracies.

bonbon
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 7:49 am

The dishonest crowd in Dublin liked Barry O’Bama a lot didn’t they? They even adopted him.
And then bailed out the banks exactly in goos-step with him and the transatlantic.

The truth, that these jokers well know, is the Irish health system, the NHS, and the US healthcare systems were decimated over decades even before that 2008 daylight robbery.
And now they are terrified that the COVID virus, with a vengeance, will expose their utter, rotten, bankers subservience, and overload the hospitals. Remember the Italian army moving coffins?
So they will lockdown to CYA, And the devil take them. They care nothing about youth labor, NOR, the most vulnerable.

Now, Germany, with the best healthcare system, is creaking, with the health minister, who said in March the virus would never reach Germany(!), telling infected health workers to continue in place! It is becoming clear the bank bailout devastated the German economy as well. The health minister is ex-Finance ministry, surprise, surprise. So panic lockdown by the very same bailout heroes!
And now these same bankers show their true green noses – the Great Reset rides into town on the COVID donkey. And is cheered as it trots.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 9:55 am

Thank you Michael and my best regards to Dublin, where I was introduced to Guinness Extra Stout ‘way back in 1990 – still my favorite winter beverage.

Your son appears to have reached similar conclusions to mine in March 2020, published here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/21/to-save-our-economy-roll-out-antibody-testing-alongside-the-active-virus-testing/#comment-2943724
21March2020
LET’S CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.

https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/end-the-american-lockdown/comment-page-1/#comment-12253
22March2020
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.

With the benefit of eight+ months of more data, I still think this was the correct call. Recent events such as the linking of the Covid-19 lockdown with the Global Warming falsehoods suggest that both are part of an even greater scam – the WEF’s Great Reset – aka “How to Con the Western Democracies into Going Full Marxist Totalitarian – the End of Freedom”.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 9, 2020 2:07 pm

Keep in mind that Covid-19 is a MILD flu except for the very elderly and infirm – several flu’s in recent decades (that nobody remembers) have been much more deadly.

“I would remind you all that using the province’s own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000. One in 300,000. You’ve got to get a grip on this.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-expert-outraged-government-response-covid/
– Dr. Roger Hodkinson, MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP, CEO and medical director of Western Medical Assessments, speaking at the Edmonton City Council Community and Public Services Committee meeting on Nov. 13, 2020 about the city’s move to extend its face-covering bylaw.

Alberta has a population of ~4 million. One in 300,000 is a total of 13 deaths in Alberta under 65 years of age attributed to Covid-19 – 13 deaths! Be very frightened – lock down the workforce, kill the economy and destroy small businesses, young people and the poor – this is a scam concocted by wolves to stampede the sheep. Told you so, eight months ago.

I called it correctly on 21March2020 – NO LOCKDOWN! Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu except for the very elderly and infirm. Covid-19 is less dangerous to the general public than flu’s of recent decades that nobody remembers – the FULL lockdown was a huge over-reaction – at best, it was utter incompetence.

Sweden correctly did not impose the full lockdown and had low death rates and is now at or near herd immunity and DID NOT DESTROY ITS ECONOMY.

I am concerned with the wellbeing of the elderly, but I reject the current practice of harming the young to safeguard us old folks – we should maintain our distance and everyone else should get back to school and work.

The Covid-19 lockdown did enormous harm and little if any good – it was a total debacle – I told you so, eight months ago.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 12, 2020 3:14 pm

Sweden is the only country in the world that isn’t suffering from Stockholm syndrome right now.

SWEDEN, MOCKED FOR AVOIDING LOCKDOWNS, NOW ON FAST TRACK TO BECOME FIRST HERD IMMUNIZED NATION
August 9, 2020 | Vivek Saxena
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/09/sweden-mocked-for-avoiding-lockdowns-now-on-fast-track-to-become-first-herd-immunized-nation-957841
[excerpt]
Despite boasting the most lenient coronavirus restrictions in the globe, it appears Sweden is now on a fast track to become the first herd immunized nation.

According to the Daily Mail’s Ian Birrell, a former deputy editor for The Independent and speechwriter for David Cameron, the evidence can be found in the data.

“Anna Mia Ekstrom, a clinical doctor and professor of global infectious disease epidemiology at Stockholm’s Karolinska Institutet, said the key was to look at trends showing Sweden’s steady decline in cases and deaths since their peak in mid-April,” he reported Saturday.

“Prof Ekstrom believes Stockholm, currently down to ‘two or three’ patients in intensive care in its infectious disease hospitals, may be coming close to herd immunity as shown by the sustained fall in critically ill patients and fatalities – and that this is a consequence of avoiding lockdown.”

It’s therefore a consequence of Sweden avoiding the economically disastrous lockdown policies that have been applied by nearly every country on Earth, including the United States, where left-wing governors like North Carolina’s Roy Cooper have come to believe that the key to defeating the coronavirus lies in keeping people perpetually locked down.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 7, 2020 4:09 am

Dr. Sam Bailey MD of New Zealand talks to ‘Virus Mania’ co-author Dr. Claus Köhnlein about everything COVID-19. Diving deep into the reasons for excess mortality, COVID-19 PCR testing, parallels with the HIV epidemic, and much more.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/290020

Ian W
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 7, 2020 7:41 am

Interesting you should mention parallels with the HIV epidemic and unnecessary loss of lives. The personality(ies) involved are the same in both.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Ian W
December 7, 2020 9:22 am

It is not I who writes this, it is Dr. Sam Bailey or the one who presented the Interview (35 minutes).

Lurker Peter down below presents a complimentary article.
But the above video with Dr. Claus Köhnlein, also as a German interview, is summing the whole thing better up and by the way also explains the missing isolation issue.

The missing isolation, which is essential, is challenged by Samuel Eckert et al against Christian Drosten at a private fund now surpassing EUR 100,000. So if Drosten together with Samuel Eckert, under observation from specialist, manage to do the isolation experiment, Drosten will receive the over 100,000, and if not, the money will go back to the contributors.
As the isolation experiment is now called the “drostenisolat” you may duckduck for it, or look after “Christian Drosten Samuel Eckert isolat”.

The whitepaper Lurker Peterbelow in commentbelow points to, will explain in more detail what the isolat or viral isolate actually means and also why it is so enormous important to the whole corona virus mess.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 8, 2020 9:50 am

BREAKING: FDA ANNOUNCES 2 DEATHS OF PFIZER VACCINE TRIAL PARTICIPANTS FROM “SERIOUS ADVERSE EVENTS”
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-fda-announces-2-deaths-pfizer-vaccine-trial-participants-serious-adverse1

This article includes an interesting video here:
https://youtu.be/9B9yP1r5SZ4

ghalfrunt
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 8, 2020 2:12 pm

ALLAN MACRAE December 8, 2020 at 9:50 am
Engage your conspiracy filter before posting

ghalfrunt December 8, 2020 at 6:34 am
Why are vaccines taking sooo long to be used – its very obvious really
As you know bill gates has inserted a chip into each vaccine for mind control.
However as you also know chips require power.
SO
the lithium battery powering each chip requires conditioning (cycling power a few times) then recharging before injecting, attached to the microchip, with the vaccine.

This can be a length procedure, hence the approval delays in some countries.

This is also why the injections need repeating “for effective protection” – they need to replace the chip and battery which will have been drained.

Never trust scientists – fake!

ghalfrunt
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 8, 2020 2:20 pm

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
The vaccine killed 2 and the placebo killed 4 it seems

Serious Adverse Events
Deaths
A total of six (2 vaccine, 4 placebo) of 43,448 enrolled participants (0.01%) died during the
reporting period from April 29, 2020 (first participant, first visit) to November 14, 2020 (cutoff
date). Both vaccine recipients were >55 years of age; one experienced a cardiac arrest 62 days
after vaccination #2 and died 3 days later, and the other died from arteriosclerosis 3 days after
vaccination #1. The placebo recipients died from myocardial infarction (n=1), hemorrhagic
stroke (n=1) or unknown causes (n=2); three of the four deaths occurred in the older group (>55
years of age). All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups
where they occurred, at a similar rate.

Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 9, 2020 12:16 pm

Don’t take the placebo either! LOL!

Watch the video here:
https://youtu.be/9B9yP1r5SZ4

2 BRITONS HAVE SEVERE REACTION TO VACCINE
Those with history of ‘significant’ allergic reactions warned to avoid it
https://www.newser.com/story/299794/2-britons-have-severe-reaction-to-vaccine.html

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 8, 2020 10:31 am

In this interview, Lieutenant-Colonel David Redman (Canadian Army ret.), a recognized emergency planning veteran, is making the same recommendations that I published on 21&22March2020. Overprotect the elderly and infirm and do NOT lockdown businesses or the under-65 low-risk population. Governments had competent plans to deal with a pandemic but panicked and threw out the plans when Covid-19 hit.

The colossal incompetence and harm caused by the mass lockdown of individuals and businesses could not have been more wrong, or more incompetent.

The key question is
WHY DID THE PANICKY LOCKDOWNS HAPPEN? WHO INSTIGATED THE ABANDONMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT’S PANDEMIC PLANS AND PUT MEDICAL OFFICERS IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING? MEDICAL OFFICERS DON’T HAVE THE SKILLS TO SEE AND MANAGE THE BIG PICTURE. TO THEM, MASS LOCKDOWNS ARE THE ONLY ANSWER – AND THAT WAS NEVER THE CORRECT SOLUTION.

THE LOCKDOWNS DID FAR MORE HARM THAN GOOD – THE LOCKDOWNS WERE A SOCIETAL AND ECONOMIC DISASTER.

Regards, Allan MacRae
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“EVERY STORE AND SCHOOL SHOULD BE OPEN.” CONFRONTING THE PANDEMIC WITH CONFIDENCE
Peter Shawn Taylor
December 7, 2020
https://c2cjournal.ca/2020/12/every-store-and-school-should-be-open-confronting-the-pandemic-with-confidence/
[excerpts]

“Remember those anxious days last January when news of a deadly new virus first appeared out of China and then, like an avalanche gathering speed, spread to Italy, Spain and France? Remember how no one seemed to know what to do as the contagion made its way to our shores? If only our governments had a plan – a plan to arrest the disease and protect us from the collateral damage of our own clumsy responses. Drawing on decades of high-level experience in military and civil emergency planning and preparation, Lieutenant-Colonel David Redman explains what went wrong with Canada’s planning process, how the errors heightened a tidal wave of fear, and what it will take to rebuild confidence in government.

Unfortunately, no one in charge seems interested in hearing Redman’s advice. A series of detailed plans he offered to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, and later to all the other premiers through the Council of the Federation, have either been completely ignored or passed off as old news. Rather than let a lifetime’s experience go to waste, C2C Journal’s Peter Shawn Taylor sat down with Redman last week to learn the basic rules of emergency planning, the many catastrophic mistakes our governments have made to date and how to shift the focus of Canada’s Covid-19 response from fear to confidence before it’s too late.

Governments took every plan they’d ever written and threw them all out the window. No one followed the process. Instead they panicked, put the doctors in change and hid for three months.

When an emergency happens, you need a process to create a plan, and then you need to follow that plan. Since the 1950s every government in this country has had a set of emergency plans: what to do in the case of a forest fire, flood, dangerous goods accident or pandemic etc. These are all updated regularly. Alberta’s pandemic plan was last updated in 2014.

But what happened in the middle of March when Covid-19 appeared on our shores after wreaking havoc in China, Italy, Spain and France? Governments took every plan they’d ever written and threw them all out the window. No one followed the process. They panicked, put the doctors in change and hid for three months. And now, having made that mistake, we can’t get out of it.

The problem with our Covid-19 response is that power has been placed in the wrong place. Why? Because governments adopted the wrong mission statement. The first principle of war is the selection and maintenance of the aim. If you miss on that, things are going to go very poorly. Across the country it appears to me that our aim has been to minimize the number of people who catch Covid-19. That is repeatedly reflected in the media. The daily case count is the most important thing in every daily newscast and every news story. It’s all the politicians seem to talk about. This is wrong.

Our aim must be to minimize the impact of Covid-19 on the province as a whole. Not the case count. Not even the death count. Here are the four goals taken directly from Alberta’s 2014 pandemic plan:
1. Control the spread of disease and reduce illness and death by providing access to appropriate prevention measures, care and treatment.
2. Mitigate social disruption by ensuring continuity and recovery of critical services.
3. Minimize adverse economic impacts.
4. Support an efficient and effective recovery.
Note that one of the objectives is to minimize illness and death of the newly emerging disease or threat. But that’s just one of four objectives. Equally important is to ensure that we do not neglect – intentionally or unintentionally – any other pre-existing diseases or conditions. The overall aim of the plan is to minimize both the impact of the new disease, and the effects arising from the response to it, on the entire jurisdiction. And then to get back to normal as quickly as possible.

The fact remains: medical officers of health should never be in charge in any pandemic. This goes right back to the operational planning process. The health care system is the subject matter agency. It deals with operating the hospital system, ensuring health care providers are appropriately trained, ensuring the public is given proper information about the disease and, ultimately, distributing a vaccine. If we were facing a forest fire, Wildfire Operations would be the subject matter agency. It would fight the fire. But it would not be in charge of the entire government response.

Everything else must be handled by a cabinet committee or an emergency management organization that can take into account the impact of the pandemic on the rest of society. Why would anyone put a medical officer of health in charge of an entire province? What do they know about a meat packing plant? Or the water supply system? Or a power grid? Nothing. Their advice is critical – but it should deal exclusively with medical issues. They do not know how to run a province.

In March, April and May, however, we saw provincial leaders hand their chief medical officers the keys to their jurisdictions. The result was lockdowns across the country, of varying intensity. Now, the news media believe public health should be in charge all the time. And that a lockdown is always the best solution.

Since the middle of March, we had access to reliable statistics from China, Spain, Italy, France that showed quite clearly 70 percent of all deaths arising from Covid-19 were of people over the age of 80. Another 18 percent were 70 to 79 years old. Only three-and-a-half percent were under the age of 60. And less than 1 percent of the people who’d died up to that point didn’t have at least one pre-existing underlying medical complication. This wasn’t September. This was March. We knew very quickly what Covid-19 was doing – it was killing old people who had severe comorbidities. The immediate response should have been: how do we protect those people?

As we say in the military, an 80 percent solution applied with vigour immediately is better than a 100 percent solution applied too late. What holds in a battle holds in pandemics too. First, we should have identified every concentration of vulnerable people, including all nursing homes, hospitals and palliative care homes. Then comprehensive options should have been developed to quarantine both the residents of these facilities and the staff who supported them. Support and relief systems for these staff and surge capacity should have been discussed back in March. Instead each new outbreak in a seniors home seemed to come as a surprise.

Quarantines are a powerful tool. But they need to be used appropriately. It is outrageous to hear doctors say we need to lock down healthy people for no reason. Our medical and education systems are overwhelmed, both emotionally and physically, because workers are being sent home for 14 days when they’re perfectly healthy. One person with Covid-19 walks into a hospital and we send 20 staff home. Now everyone else has to work overtime or double shifts.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe we should ever have locked down anything. Every store and school should be open. If you are not afraid of catching Covid-19 because your medical system is robust and we have protected our seniors and the death count is low, then the pandemic is essentially over. Instead we have governments in some provinces telling people they can’t buy big-screen TVs, even though they’ve already mandated that watching TV is about your only legal form of entertainment.

The long-term impact of our response will be felt for years in societal breakdown, mental health problems and the increasing prevalence of other diseases. We are seeing more people dying of cancer and heart disease. People are so afraid of catching Covid-19 that they’re choosing to not go to the emergency room or to see their doctor. The overdose rate is up dramatically in British Columbia since the start of Covid-19. Suicides have increased. Fear is a terrible mental health amplifier.”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 9, 2020 12:38 pm

Repeating from my email to the Alberta government:

“Here in Alberta, the Covid-19 lockdown has cost at least 25,000 years-of-life-lost – that was the ~500 INCREASED opioid overdose deaths directly caused by the Covid-19 lockdown multiplied by ~50 years of remaining life. The average age of opioid deaths is ~30, and the average age of Covid-19 deaths in Alberta is ~82. The lockdown sacrificed hundreds of desperate young people and did not even save that many very-elderly-and-infirm.”

“The lockdown was a costly debacle that killed hundreds of desperate young people and saved nobody… Young people were “thrown under the bus” by the lockdown, and we elderly are no safer. I published this correct call 8 months ago on 21March2020 and nothing has changed, except the death toll – in Alberta, twice the number of ~30-year olds have died from opioid OD’s than ~82-year old folks have died from Covid-19. Opioid deaths have doubled since the lockdown. The Covid-19 lockdown is not a war to save the old – it’s a war that destroys the young. It is dysfunctional and immoral.”

The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms just published that fewer Canadians are dying in 2020 than in 2019, despite the not-so-scary Covid-19 flu.

GOVERNMENT DATA SHOWS LOCKDOWNS MORE DEADLY THAN COVID-19, Dec 3rd, 2020
https://www.jccf.ca/government-data-shows-lockdowns-more-deadly-than-covid-19/
[Excerpt]
CALGARY: The Justice Centre today released a Charter analysis on the impact of lockdowns on the lives of Canadians. Titled “Flying Blind,” this Charter analysis demonstrates that Canada’s federal and provincial governments have not properly and adequately considered the specific nature and the full extent of lockdown harms that result from the violations of Charter freedoms to move, travel, assemble, associate and worship.

FEWER CANADIANS ARE DYING IN 2020
With COVID-19 touted by politicians and chief medical officers as an unusually deadly killer that everyone should fear greatly, one might expect an increase in death rates amongst Canadians. But in fact, deaths for the period from January 1 to August 31, compared for 2016 through 2020, show that fewer Canadians are dying in 2020 than in 2019, even while Canada’s population grows.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 9, 2020 2:26 pm

Good news! Since March, nobody in the USA dies from old age anymore – everybody dies of Covid-19!.

USA Covid-19 death stats are hugely overstated. Take Alberta’s ~500 Covid-19 deaths in our 4 million population and scale up to the total USA population – then only about 30,000 USA deaths can be attributed to Covid-19 – far less than the 250,000+ Covid-deaths quoted in bogus USA stats.

But then, USA deaths attributed to Covid-19 include motorcycle crashes, heart attacks, cancers, drive-by-shootings, parachuting “bounces”, etc.

If the body is Covid-positive, even if they have no symptoms of respiratory distress and they died of obvious other causes, they are coded as Covid-19 deaths in the USA. USA Covd-19 stats are worthless.

In fact Covid-19 is a relatively mild flu that is really only dangerous to the elderly and infirm. The full Gulag lockdown for Covid-19 was one of the greatest and most costly scams in the history of the planet.

Here in Alberta, only ~13 people under the age of 65 have died from Covid-19 – Be very afraid! – Lock down everything, destroy the economy, the young and the poor, all for 13 deaths in a population of 4 million.

The Covid-19 lockdown was a gigantic false crisis, much like the global warming / green energy falsehoods.

The Great Re-start is just another such huge Marxist scam.

We are governed by traitors, scoundrels and imbeciles.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 9, 2020 6:48 pm

Andy Wakefield warns humanity about the coming wave of coronavirus vaccines
https://www.brighteon.com/cd09656e-c4d0-465c-8255-3936daf84bc8

Interesting video.

Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 1:38 am

The question is why, if certain people were saying early this year that the Chinese authorities were lying, did CNN and other mainstream media journalists not find information and publish it then? Why is so much of their time and resources spent on undermining their critics back home, trying to silence or denigrate anyone dissenting from their views, and not on exposing brutal regimes like those of China?

Scissor
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 5:49 am

Demo☭rats

MarkW
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 9:29 am

Had they published any such information prior to the election, it might have helped Trump and that is something they could never do.

paul courtney
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 10:29 am

Michael: I presume you were not in the USA at the time, so please let me explain it. CNN and other mainstream journos were, at the time, far too busy exposing the “Russia collusion” story as a hoax perpetrated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign volunteers in the DoJ and FBI. Who can forget when CNN analyst Andy McCabe called for prosecution of ex-FBI Director who signed false affidavits. They were also working furiously to expose the insiders pushing the Ukrainian impeachment, having spent so much time debunking the story up to that point.
I bet Dublin isn’t THAT far out there.

Ray in SC
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 11:44 am

Paul,

Please tell me that you are being sarcastic.

gringojay
Reply to  paul courtney
December 7, 2020 2:08 pm

It was impeachment proceedings against President Trump, not “RussiaGate”, that the USA was getting bombarded with at the time this ChiComV-19 was spreading around the USA.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
December 7, 2020 1:17 pm

Trump accused the Chinese of a cover up, so that is obviously a lie according to CNN. Now 10 months later CNN treats is like breaking news.
Remember Trump quoting a doctor re Hydroxychloroquine. CNN, Fauci, and the Demos have killed over half a million people around the world as a result and they are killing them in Canada now because the doctors were told not to use HCQ.

Lurker Pete
December 7, 2020 1:41 am

War has broken out in the scientific literature that strikes at the existential core of Covid-19 and its proposed causative virus.

Probably the biggest controversey in Science, with the greatest ramifications for humanity, yet no mention of it in the legacy media, or WUWT for that matter.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/03/ten-fatal-errors-scientists-attack-paper-that-established-global-pcr-driven-lockdown/

Reply to  Lurker Pete
December 7, 2020 9:21 am

Thank you Pete.

“… A TESTING METHOD THAT WOULD YIELD BETWEEN 80 AND 97 PERCENT FALSE POSITIVE RESULTS”

aka: “HOW TO FABRICATE A CASEDEMIC”

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/03/ten-fatal-errors-scientists-attack-paper-that-established-global-pcr-driven-lockdown/

“In the harrowing months that followed, amid lockdowns, economic collapse, school closures and widespread panic, few were aware of the immense problems with the paper, which tragically offered a testing method that would yield between 80 and 97 percent false positive results, due to a non existent gold standard which would be the virus itself.”

ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 2:43 am

What strangeness! You whinge about the mote in china’s eye but ignore the beam in your eye

Trump::Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate.”

Trump::Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

Trump::March 4: Now, this is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild… So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then, when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent.

Trump::March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life and the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

Trump::March 12: “It’s going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

Trump::March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

Peter Buchan
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 3:43 am

Well put ghalfrunt!

On a site where most prognosticators are prone to rabidly espousing their credentials as “sceptics”, the CV-19 crisis sure has lit many of them up as mere Foot-Soldiers of Projectionism – particularly when the theme du jour tickles a tribal/nationalistic nerve. Sadly, hardly a “Big WUWT Name” has escaped this trap thus far.

Mind you, this pattern has been playing out all over the world, and across many sectors of thought and other endeavor. Difference is, this relentless “intellectual mitosis” – evidenced by both horizontal and vertical division of “acceptable” opinion – was predicted by many. Jose Ortega Y Gasset’s timeless, trenchant essay on the “Barbarism of Specialization” rings more true than ever.

So when a previously reliable resource such as Mr Worral weighs in on a still-opaque and deeply intractable subject such as the origins of CV-19 with a report from CNN, I know that what I am reading may be many things, but it is not an attempt to discover truth

bonbon
Reply to  Peter Buchan
December 7, 2020 7:26 am

Exactly!

Geopolitics is a deadly poison, even global warming hoaxes are put on second row.

But wait a minute – exactly now the entire financial system Great Reset is bein bulldozed through whether or not Greta can “see CO2. Notice how the warmunists and skeptics alike are ALL USED UP. (see Edgar Poe’s great short story).

So is Mr. Worrall in the service of the City of London, who conjured up BOTH global warming AND the Great Reset?

MarkW
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 9:40 am

It really is amazing how progressives are so eager to lie about what others have said and believe.

It’s almost as if they know that they can’t win using honest arguments.

Place all of those quotes in context and include what was actually known at the time. And none of them are damning. Put like all progressives, ghoulfont doesn’t care, all he cares about is winning so that government can start shoveling other people’s stuff his way.

Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 12:55 pm

I agree with you MarkW. Blaming Trump for the Covid-19 flu in the USA is a Marxist-Dem falsehood – another fabrication by the chronic “Liars of the Left”.

Based on more credible Alberta stats, the true Covid-19 death toll in the USA is probably less than 30,000, far less than the ~244,000 quoted – another gross falsehood.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/30/ottawas-latest-climate-plan-bets-on-expensive-and-unproven-carbon-capture-technologies/#comment-3137098

Good news! Since March, nobody dies from old age anymore.

Actual deaths from Covid-19 are nowhere near 244,000; in fact Covid deaths are less than 30,000 in the USA.

Deaths attributed to Covid-19 include motorcycle accidents, heart attacks, cancers, drug overdoses, drive-by shootings, parachuting bounces, etc.

If the body is Covid-positive, even if they have no symptoms of respiratory distress, they are coded as Covid-19 deaths in the USA.

In fact Covid-19 is a relatively mild flu is really only dangerous to the elderly and infirm. The full Gulag lockdown for Covid-19 was one of the greatest and most costly scams in the history of the planet.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 7, 2020 2:39 pm

ALLAN MACRAE December 7, 2020 at 12:55 pm
I agree with you MarkW. Blaming Trump for the Covid-19 flu in the USA is a Marxist-Dem falsehood – another fabrication by the chronic “Liars of the Left.
———————
I did not blame the potus for Covid. I blame him for lying to the populous and worsening the situation. I have no political affiliation, I have no religious affiliation.

Having now read the rest of your stupid comment I will not comment on such stupidity further,
Mild FLu!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell that to the medical staff

MarkW
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 4:28 pm

You blame him for lying, however you can’t document a single lie.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 6:18 pm

plenty of facts in this

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 2:08 pm

“It’s almost as if they know that they can’t win using honest arguments.”

They can’t win using honest argument, so they distort the truth to suit their purposes. And when they are debunked, they just repeat the lies again, as though it were the first time.

And sometimes another idiot will come along and praise their lies.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 7, 2020 4:29 pm

I’ve lost track of the number of times ghoulfont has tried to pass of this lie. At least this time he didn’t drag out 20 or so out of context and/or misquouted quotes.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 1:22 pm

ghalfrunt:
You forgot to include the time when Trump quoted the doctor and his SUCCESSFUL treatment of Covid with the HCQ combination.
That resulted in CNN, FAUCI, the hypocrite Gupta and the demos denigrating him. half a million lives have been lost because Trump was CORRECT and ridiculed.
Read:
Donna Laframboise is about the only journalist in Canada who has written about HCQ. She quotes an essay which describes the situation:
https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2020/08/24/hydroxychloroquine-the-judgment-of-history/

Hydroxychloroquine & the Judgment of History

How a safe, well-understood malaria drug was demonized as a COVID-19 treatment. Because a politician said good things about it.
Norman Doidge persuasively argues that history will judge many people in Hydroxychloroquine: A Morality Tale,

Here are the two web sites which now have over 100 studies which show the efficacy of HCQ as well as Vitamin D:

https://c19study.com/

https://hcqmeta.com/

US Senate hearings:
A week and a half ago, at the US Senate, one doctor, Dr Peter McCullough, provided his protocol he used to great effect for treating Covid-19. (his testimony).

Here is his protocol:

https://aapsonline.org/mccullough-protocol-3-page.pdf

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
December 7, 2020 4:58 pm

“US Senate hearings:
A week and a half ago, at the US Senate”

More Senate hearing on this subject will be conducted this week. They are focusing on treatments that can be effective against the Wuhan virus. Hydroxychloriquine is one of the drugs, but they are looking at all the drugs currently available that can be effective against the Wuhan virus.

This Senate committee is also focusing on early treatment of the Wuhan virus. They should be promoting this idea hard, especially now with all the hospital overcrowding going on. These medications can keep people out of the hospital if the disease is treated early enough.

Peter Buchan
December 7, 2020 3:44 am

Well put ghalfrunt!

On a site where most prognosticators are prone to rabidly espousing their credentials as “sceptics”, the CV-19 crisis sure has lit many of them up as mere Foot-Soldiers of Projectionism – particularly when the theme du jour tickles a tribal/nationalistic nerve. Sadly, hardly a “Big WUWT Name” has escaped this trap thus far.

Mind you, this pattern has been playing out all over the world, and across many sectors of thought and other endeavor. Difference is, this relentless “intellectual mitosis” – evidenced by both horizontal and vertical division of “acceptable” opinion – was predicted by many. Jose Ortega Y Gasset’s timeless, trenchant essay on the “Barbarism of Specialization” rings more true than ever.

So when a previously reliable resource such as Mr Worral weighs in on a still-opaque and deeply intractable subject such as the origins of CV-19 with a report from CNN, I know that what I am reading may be many things, but it is not an attempt to discover truth

Reply to  Peter Buchan
December 7, 2020 2:13 pm

Peter Buchan and fellow-travellers:

Skeptics and outspoken medical renegades are the ONLY credible sources regarding the Covid-19 scam.

Many federal and state health authorities and the mainstream media have lied about everything Covid – the hugely inflated death toll, the hugely exaggerated severity of the flu on the workforce and the young, the need for the full-Gulag lockdowns, etc. etc. It’s all been a huge alarmist scam, with NO credibility.

Peter Buchan
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 7, 2020 9:47 pm

Allan Macrae,

The point is that once the torts and mismanagement of ALL governments are lined up side by side in a “horse race” of incompetence and misdirection no one comes out clean. And my further point was that, give everything true sceptics know about the media – and CNN in particular – that Eric Worral would summon them as an “authority” just because their narrative suits his inherent bias does his reputation on WUWT a disservice.

Best (big fan of your contributions btw)

Peter

Reply to  Peter Buchan
December 8, 2020 1:43 am

Peter Buchan – thank you for clarifying. I generally like Eric Worral’s work here. However, I don’t recall myself quoting CNN for many years, if ever – CNN is a key element of the fake news system. A minor appendage of that fake news system is one ghalfrunt, who is strong on the personal attack but weak on supporting evidence for his accusations.

The following is excerpted from my emails to our Alberta government that have opposed the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19:

This article from The Hill correctly summarizes the medical, societal and legal downsides that make “the Covid-19 lockdown cure much worse than the disease”:
THE REAL THREAT POSED BY COVID-19 LOCKDOWNS 5Dec2020
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/528892-the-real-threat-posed-by-covid-19-lockdowns

As many have now observed, lockdowns have a host of deadly consequences. For example, British journalist and businessman Matt Ridley writes, “They cause more deaths from cancer, heart disease and suicide as well as job losses, bankruptcies, social disintegration and mental illness especially among the young, who are at least risk from the virus.” Further, a recent UNICEF report limns a “shadow pandemic” of violence against women and children, with vital services to these vulnerable groups being among the most commonly disrupted. The World Health Organization has said that lockdowns should not be “the primary means of control of this virus,” noting a lockdown consequence too frequently overlooked this year: “making poor people an awful lot poorer.”

Repeating from my previous email to the Alberta Cabinet:

“Here in Alberta, the Covid-19 lockdown has cost at least 25,000 years-of-life-lost – that was the ~500 INCREASED opioid overdose deaths directly caused by the Covid-19 lockdown multiplied by ~50 years of remaining life. The average age of opioid deaths is ~30, and the average age of Covid-19 deaths in Alberta is ~82. The lockdown sacrificed hundreds of desperate young people and did not even save that many very-elderly-and-infirm.”

“The lockdown was a costly debacle that killed hundreds of desperate young people and saved nobody… Young people were “thrown under the bus” by the lockdown, and we elderly are no safer. I published this correct call 8 months ago on 21March2020 and nothing has changed, except the death toll – in Alberta, twice the number of ~30-year olds have died from opioid OD’s than ~82-year old folks who have died from Covid-19. Opioid deaths have doubled since the lockdown. The Covid-19 lockdown is not a war to save the old – it’s a war that destroys the young. It is dysfunctional and immoral.”

Any responsible older person will choose to take careful risks to preserve the young – they are our future. We live on through our children and our grandchildren.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 7, 2020 10:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NagZN2kjY

Candide – Spring Skiing – good springs. 🙂

Harry
December 7, 2020 4:34 am

It’s all true, we can’t help ourselves because Australian bats are delicious.

MarkW
Reply to  Harry
December 7, 2020 9:41 am

Does that include the ding bats?

ozspeaksup
December 7, 2020 4:59 am

now CNN could go hunt for the china links to bidets amazing supposed poll numbers?

MarkW
Reply to  ozspeaksup
December 7, 2020 9:42 am

Did you mean Biden? Though bidet is also appropriate.

fretslider
December 7, 2020 5:16 am

Thus far, the Chinese have blamed Spain, Italy, India and now Australia. You have to laugh.

China blames SPAIN for coronavirus
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12028909/china-blames-spain-for-coronavirus/

China accuses Italy of starting Covid pandemic and claims its own study PROVES it
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1824950/china-accuses-italy-starting-covid-pandemic-study-proves/

Chinese scientists claim Covid came from India or Bangladesh
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13316951/chinese-scientists-claim-coronavirus-originated-india/

Basically, anywhere but China.

John Tillman
Reply to  fretslider
December 7, 2020 6:30 am

Also US soldiers in China for athletic competition.

Never mind that the WuWHOFlu virus’ closest relatives come from the same Yunnan bay caves which gave the world SARS. Hubei is far from Yunnan Province, and horseshoe bats aren’t sold in Wuhan, but coronaviruses collected from those caves are studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology there.

The WIV’s BSL-4 lab was built in 2015 for Dr. Shi Zhengli, aka Bat Woman, after the Obama Administration temporarily suspended her dangerous gain of function research at UNC as too risky the previous year. Dr. Fauci got funding started up again at the new lab, despite the obvious threat such work posed, while of no medical use.

What could possibly go wrong with evolving in labs a SARS-like virus more easily to infect human lung cells, with ferrets as H. sapiens models? Only seals, ferrets and humans were known to harbor SARS viruses, among non-bat mammals, although palm civets were allegedly the intermediary animal.

fretslider
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2020 7:51 am

Whether release was by accident or design there have been some interesting beneficiaries.

Rishi Sunak has refused to confirm if he will profit from sales of the most effective anti-coronavirus drug.

Theleme Partners, a hedge fund he co-founded before entering politics has a $500million investment in Moderna, which announced this week its Covid vaccine could be up to 94.5 per cent effective.

The UK immediately did a deal to buy five million doses at an expected cost of between £24 ($32) and £28 ($37) per dose.

And that is a small deal compared to others done by the US, with many other nations now queuing up to place orders for what could be a wonder-drug, which is likely to contribute to eye-watering profits.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8961355/Will-Rishi-Sunak-PROFIT-new-Moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-Hedge-fund-set-major-investor.html

The debt he’s racked up this last year could be described as more than eye-watering.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  fretslider
December 7, 2020 7:07 pm

The Spanish discovery of Covid much earlier could have been false since it was from sewer studies. But there is no debate that lung samples from Italian cancer patients showed Covid in Italy as early as September 2019. That was well before the earliest dates of discovery in China. Until there is proof that it was found in humans in China earlier than September of 2019, Italy stands as the place of first known infection in humans.

The Italian paper.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33176598/

John Tillman
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
December 7, 2020 8:09 pm

The WuWHOFlu originated in Wuhan. Satellite imagery, cell phone and Internet data show unusual activity related to viruses and health at least from August there. Direct flights from Wuhan to Milan mean that the virus could have spread to northern Italy almost as soon as it appeared in China.

John Tillman
December 7, 2020 6:10 am

Satellite imagery, Internet searched, phone account, cremation and urn data, among other evidence, show that the CCP is lying about the onset date and death toll of COVID in China.

Mortality has been underreported by at least a factor of 15, but probably closer to 40. WHO is a wholly owned subsidiary of the CCP, so no outsiders know anything like the actual numbers. The seven members of the Politburo Standing Committee might not even know or care.

For all anyone knows the CCP COVID fudge factor could be 100, compared to cause of death accounting elsewhere in the world.

OTOH, in many Western countries, fatalities are inflated by failure to distinguish between victims dying from COVID and decedents with the virus. An exception to this standard was the tragically late Mr. George Floyd, who died with the virus but in custody of Minneapolis police officers now charged with murder in various degrees.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2020 6:31 am

Searches. Typing on phone.

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2020 9:45 am

I can still remember back in January when someone posted a video of patients being lined up inside hospital corridors because there were no beds available. Our usual trolls quickly jumped in to proclaim all such videos as fake only extreme xenophobes would believe such nonsense.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2020 7:15 pm

The Spanish discovery of Covid much earlier could have been false since it was from sewer studies. But there is no debate that lung samples from Italian cancer patients showed Covid in Italy as early as September 2019. That was well before the earliest dates of discovery in China. Until there is proof that it was found in humans in China earlier than September of 2019, Italy stands as the place of first known infection in humans.

The Italian paper.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33176598/

Thomas Gasloli
December 7, 2020 8:02 am

Hmmmm, CNN blames Trump for COVID 19 for 9.5 months and claim that blaming China is racist, but now that Biden (and whoever is really running the things behind Senile Joe) is about to be inaugurated, it’s all China’s fault. The “truth” is a malleable thing when in the hands of American journalists.

MarkW
December 7, 2020 8:27 am

Would CNN be reporting this if they thought Trump had won the election?

Another CNN reporter recently decided that the behavior of Biden’s son Hunter was newsworthy after all.

William Astley
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2020 10:22 am

CNN at a senior management level know that something is up and do not want to lose their company/jobs. I see the NYT has also started to wake up. I see the BBC is starting to wake up.

I heard the US Milt are going to make a public announcement concerning the origins of the manufactured virus covid, China involvement, and cover up this January.

Perhaps there might be a word or two about the US Milt’s investigation that is centered around the intel/evidence that was found on the CIA Frankfurt server.

I see the US Milt flew one of their planes to Toronto, Canada to talk to Dominion and Canadian officials about the US Milt’s investigation in to alleged direct CIA/Foreign interference into the US election…serious stuff. I heard the Frankfurt server captures in real time all of the technical coordination and timing of the US election fixes and has all of the correspondence to determine based on real time election data that was sent the server, to determine how much US election fixing is required and where to make the fixes and records of payment for services. I heard the Canada government and Dominion have agreed to cooperate 200%.

I believe the CIA Frankfurt server is now at the 305 Military Intelligence Battalion (The 305 Battalion is based at a US milt base, in Arizona)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/us/politics/trump-pentagon-intelligence-iran.html

Trump Stacks the Pentagon and Intel Agencies With Loyalists. To What End?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55177975

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2020/11/21/trump-orders-useucom-to-seize-scytl-servers-in-germany/

Bro. Steve
December 7, 2020 9:15 am

Been to China several times and observed that they allow more economic freedom than the United States does. Example: Prescriptions not required for antibiotics sold at Walmart.

Political freedom over there is, of course, zero. If you cross the Chicom Deep State, their surveillance mobs will see it, and seriously bad people will come and get you. In the United States, Big Left is trying to move us in the same direction. Since the Bill of Rights is so protective of liberty, they’re using the combination of COVID hysteria, gubernatorial edicts, and corporate enforcement upon employees to achieve the same result — a nationwide “monothink” where nobody’s willing to challenge the Big Left consensus.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bro. Steve
December 7, 2020 2:15 pm

“a nationwide “monothink” where nobody’s willing to challenge the Big Left consensus.”

I’m seeing a lot of people who are pushing back against government edicts. I think the People have just about reached the end of their patience with two-faced government officials.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  Bro. Steve
December 7, 2020 8:29 pm

The problem is that we are two Americas now. Both have approximately equal populations though land area is much different. One America likes who we were and are, and the second America really hates what we were and are. And there is no easy divorce or separation.

Michael S. Kelly
December 7, 2020 10:43 am

“… Xi expressed his condolences to those who have died in the outbreak. ”

Huh?

mwhite
December 7, 2020 11:02 am

Must watch-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cjgicrA504

100 years of science thrown out of the window and replaced with “China science”

richard
December 7, 2020 11:05 am

There again the Chinese think CNN are a dodgy outfit after listening to the taped phone calls by, Project Veritas.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/leaked-cnn-tape-dont-normalize-trump-report-on-biden-scandal_3606209.html

richard
December 7, 2020 11:11 am

This is how it will play out-

This vaccine will magically work because no one is dying who wouldn’t be dying anyway. The vaccine doesn’t have to do anything, it will be just a re-adjustment of the data and hey presto everyone is back to dying of what ever they were dying of anyway with their 2-3 other serious diseases and wow the vaccine is working. The great news is, with the PCR test, we can expect a major pandemic every few years unless the lawyers win on exposing this charade. So expect more Wuhans during election years and anytime the governments think the population is getting uppity.

William Astley
December 7, 2020 12:30 pm

CNN and all of the other media companies are going to start acting like honest unbiased reporters. Companies are going to suddenly be on the US side, as there will be a side when the facts are released.

Companies and individuals who work for those companies who are caught interfering in a US election; face company ending sanction and fines; extradition to the US to face chargers; and face individual US banking sanctions (which every bank in the world recognize. People will be required to use cash for the rest of their lives if they are convinced) due to E.O. 13848 which has issued Sept 2018.

President Trump declared a National Emergency and issued E.O. 13848 on 12 Sep 2018 having jurisdiction on election fraud and the consequences thereof. Including prosecution for Felony and up to Treason, asset seizure and forfeiture, etc.

On 20 Sep 2018, he issued E.O. 13849, empowering the US Treasury and State Dept to impose sanctions on Banking, credit, assets, import, etc, including forfeiture, seizure, arrest, prosecution.

https://www.gibsondunn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/us-authorizes-sanctions-for-election-interference.pdf

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13848-imposing-certain-sanctions-the-event-foreign-interference-united

Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Astley
December 7, 2020 3:07 pm

“CNN and all of the other media companies are going to start acting like honest unbiased reporters.”

No way! I’ve been listening to biased reporting from the Leftwing News Media since the Vietnam war. They are not going to stop now.

CNN does not have any unbiased reporters. All CNN reporters are really propagandists for the Left, and their approach to the Biden administration will certainly be different than with Trump, but you won’t get any more truth out of them under Biden. In fact, my bet is they will be running cover for Biden just like they do for all Democrats.

There are very few honest journalists and none of them belong to the major Leftwing News organizations.

Hoping for honestly from the Leftwing Media reminds me of Sean Hannity trying to shame leftwing reproters into reporting the news fairly. What Sean doesn’t understand is you can’t shame someone who feels no shame, and you can’t expect honesty from dishonest people.

Tom Abbott
December 7, 2020 12:49 pm

From the article: “Meanwhile the Chinese Communist Party is desperately trying to distract attention from their catastrophic mismanagement of the Covid outbreak; their persecution of whistleblowers, callous disregard for other nations and authoritarian coverups.”

I hear the Chicoms are now forcing Chinese Muslims to eat pork. Just one of many outrages perpetrated on the Muslim Uighurs.

Not a peep of protest out of any Muslim country, or any Muslim terrorist group.

If President Macron of France did something like this, the whole Muslim world would be marching on Paris.

When wil the whole Muslim world march on Beijing? Or are you just a bunch of cowards? It doesn’t take much courage to stand up to Macron because Macron is not going to do you harm, and you know it, but the Chicoms are a different story, aren’t they. They will do you harm if you mess with them, and so the Muslim world remains silent in the face of atrocity because they are afraid of being harmed.

First they came for the Uighurs, but I wasn’t a Uighur, so I stayed silent. Then, they came for me.

Steve45
December 7, 2020 12:58 pm

No surprises there.

Similar to Drumpf deliberately downplaying the seriousness of the pandemic in the US. The only question is whether it was because of incompetence or he realized that it disproportionately affected latino and black votes.

I used to think he was merely an incompetent bullshttier (both true), but actually he’s probably more of a sociopath.

Fortunately terribly incompetent.

Like most of his supporters who blame their own failures in life on others.

gringojay
Reply to  Steve45
December 7, 2020 2:18 pm

Actually:

Black New Yorkers hospitalized with this virus are 40% less severe illness & 30% less likely to die from it thanWhites hospitalized with this virus. Internet searchers can find this statistic in multiple reports of nary 3 days ago.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  gringojay
December 7, 2020 5:07 pm

That’s funny that you bring this up.

I saw three different reports yesterday about the subject of how Blacks and Hispanics were affected by the Wuhan virus.

One study claimed, that although Blacks and Hispanics were more likely to be infected, they were less likely than whites to die of the infection.

The other two reports claimed that Blacks and Hispancis were more likely to be infected and were more likely to die than white people.

So we have another face mask controversy brewing, it seems. One study says Blacks and Hispaniics are in less danger from Wuhan than whites and another says just the opposite.

Follow the science. If you can.

gringojay
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 7, 2020 6:39 pm

I’d say the discrepancy is that in hospitals, where blacks do better than whites, the individual is known to be severely ill with this virus. While for out of the hospital deaths, where blacks do worse than whites, the actual role of this virus is less known given the spectrum of co-morbidities related to the out of hospital deaths.

In other words: the out of hospital higher death rate of blacks than whites is because more of them are happening to die “with” this virus due to the statistical variation of co-morbidity ratios which these different races in the USA suffer from. On the other hand: the lower in hospital death rate of blacks than whites, even adjusted for economic status in the NY research, is because co-morbidities are somewhat clinically attenuated in the hospital ward &, once the patient is under acute care, this virus itself explicitly as data shows) poses less of a risk to blacks than whites

Linear attempts to promote racist explanations need to be considered in context. The USA media likes sensationalism about this – “if it bleeds it leads.”

steve45
Reply to  gringojay
December 7, 2020 7:44 pm

I don’t listen/watch the MSM so I have no idea what they’re saying, but it seems to me that the increased mortality rate for Black/Hispanic populations is pretty well accepted and not particularly controversial in the medical community e.g.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003402

Not especially clear why this is the case but obviously genetic differences plus increased prevalence of underlying risk factors (obesity, hypertension etc) seem like reasonable explanations.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve45
December 7, 2020 4:31 pm

It really is amazing how progressives actually seem to believe the lies they keep telling each other.

MarkG
Reply to  Steve45
December 7, 2020 4:56 pm

Trump got the most Republican votes among black and latino voters in many, many years.

steve45
Reply to  MarkG
December 7, 2020 6:26 pm

And yet still received 7 million less votes. What a loser.

ghalfrunt
December 7, 2020 8:17 pm

the conspiracies are strong here.

you cannot fight conspiracies. Apart from their conspiracies all else is just fake news.

I wonder how many here believe in moon landings?

ghalfrunt
December 8, 2020 6:34 am

Why are vaccines taking sooo long to be used – its very obvious really
As you know bill gates has inserted a chip imto each vaccine for mind control.
However as you also know chips require power.
SO
the lithium battery powering each chip requires conditioning (cycling power a few times) then recharging before injecting, attached to the microchip, with the vaccine.

This can be a length procedure, hence the approval delays in some countries.

This is also why the injections need repeating “for effective protection” – they need to replace the chip and battery which will have been drained.

Never trust scientists – fake!

rleewinters
Reply to  ghalfrunt
December 8, 2020 7:46 pm

You are either an idiot or a troll. In either case your posts are best ignored.

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