We’re Saved! New Zealand just Declared a Climate Emergency

New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern
New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern. By Newzild – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

While nobody expects the elimination of New Zealand’s carbon footprint to have a significant direct impact on global warming, the rest of the world will surely be inspired by New Zealand’s moral example.

New Zealand declares a climate change emergency

Phil Taylor in Auckland
Wed 2 Dec 2020 13.42 AEDT

Jacinda Ardern calls climate change ‘one of the greatest challenges of our time’ and pledges carbon-neutral government by 2025

New Zealand has declared a climate change emergency and committed to a carbon-neutral government by 2025, in what the prime minister Jacinda Ardern called “one of the greatest challenges of our time”.

Speaking in parliament after its introduction, Ardern said the country must “act with urgency”.Climate emergency: New Zealand must match words and actionsRead more

“This declaration is an acknowledgement of the next generation. An acknowledgement of the burden that they will carry if we do not get this right and do not take action now,” she said.

“It is up to us to make sure we demonstrate a plan for action, and a reason for hope.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/new-zealand-declares-a-climate-change-emergency

New Zealand does not manufacture much, decades of radical environmentalism have taken a toll. So despite New Zealand’s pledge to be carbon neutral by 2025, they will be importing lots of carbon tainted manufactured goods for the foreseeable future.

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Jimbob
December 2, 2020 11:40 am

Welcome to woke New Zealand … oh the embarrassment for the rest of us Kiwis !! But then Jacinda and the rest of her cabal of warm fuzzies embalmed in the righteous virtue signalling (sounds good but what the heck does it mean? roll on to the next election)

Murph
Reply to  Jimbob
December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

Yes, and hope NZ wont have any suspect computer voting systems next elections.

n.n
December 2, 2020 11:44 am

Let me guess: carbon offsets, right?

Bill Treuren
December 2, 2020 11:47 am

My issue is not with the daft intent its the dishonesty.

If you use electric cars then the honest would consider the full cycle CO2 emissions not the headline lie that they are “carbon free” they are not.
We NZ are desperate for the Aluminum smelter to close but the production will now be 100% coal fired production elsewhere so our virtue signaling will result in CO2 emissions rising globally. Does she know this? Its possible she is so stupid that she doesn’t or alternatively there is dishonesty at play. Or a combination is also possible.

Jeff Labute
December 2, 2020 11:52 am

Not sure what carbon neutral (NET zero) means these days. So, NZ will continue on with their agricultural, forestry, and mining industries, and offset that by planting trees? Keep going until island is full of trees, then declare another emergency, like forest fires?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Jeff Labute
December 2, 2020 4:08 pm

Offsetting is simply a feel good way of ignoring the problem.

“I flew around the world, but that is okay, cause I offset by funding tree planting. Ya me!”

If planting trees was important then you could just plant the trees anyway.

Remember, when you murder someone you are not forgiven if you ‘offset’ by having a baby. The murder still exists.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 5:39 pm

I’m an international hit man … but that’s OK because I donate to sperm banks whenever I can.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 11:30 pm

Reminds me of a joke years ago about Northern Ireland but I won’t tell it here because some may not see the humour in it.

December 2, 2020 11:56 am

I’m sure that the NZ government (any government, for that matter) will “get it right”.

RStabb
December 2, 2020 11:58 am

The green menace is spreading like the China virus.

n.n
Reply to  RStabb
December 2, 2020 4:30 pm

A veritable blight.

Walter Sobchak
December 2, 2020 12:02 pm

So, are they going to kill all the sheep?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 2, 2020 12:36 pm

They will wait with the end of the sheep, until they see how it is going for Denmark and their mass extinction of their minks.

Murph
December 2, 2020 12:02 pm

Jacinda is gearing up to increase taxes again, hence her nickname Taxinda. She has shown a terrible left leaning when in a speech before becoming Prime Minister she used the word comrade a dozen or so times. Her record on eliminating child poverty in NZ has been a total failure over her last four years, not improving the problem one iota yet she has not declared a child poverty emergency.

Loydo
December 2, 2020 12:05 pm

WUWT smear factory, southern division, cranks out another hate piece and just look at the nastiness and bile and the barely concealed fear.

leowaj
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 12:55 pm

Loydo, thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned response. I was convinced by the argument you made that New Zealand has developed a new, never-before-seen technology for mitigating CO2 while doing it at a low cost to NZ taxpayers. I was also convinced by your presentation of evidence that an undeniable majority of NZ citizens are willing to sacrifice economic function to in order to significantly reduce NZ’s CO2 output. You’ve convinced me that it’s the citizens of NZ who are driving their nation as opposed to peevish bureaucrats spinning the cogs of a great machine in a swamp to their own benefit.

Oh wait. You didn’t do that at all.

Loydo
Reply to  leowaj
December 2, 2020 2:51 pm

Inded, indeed. But you you’re happy to watch this one go through to the keeper –
“New Zealand does not manufacture much, decades of radical environmentalism have taken a toll.”

Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 3:46 pm

Unfortunately for you Loydo, that comment you complain about is true. And I live here and work in industry. A lot of our cement is sourced from overseas because the factories we had were too expensive to keep operating. Many manufacturing plants have been offshored, with a big cause of that being the problem that getting new plant through the RMA (Resource Management Act) process is too expensive, takes too long and the result is a lottery. They can’t dredge or deepen harbours so ship size is limited. They can’t restring transmission lines without a consent so the grid is stretched to the limit in many places. A lot of timber is exported as logs – several mills have not been able to be built. There have been a number of hydro projects stopped because of RMA losses. The most recent was a 20MW on the Waitaha because it would partially dewater one canyon that one canoe party had partially paddled. Because Glenbrook uses coal, that may stop most of our steel production when its consent comes up for renewal in a few years time. I could go on, but that would be tedious.
I await your counter with actual examples that it is not the case.

Loydo
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 6:48 pm

I’d argue there are one or two long bows there Chris but you make some fair points. Happy to listen to a first hand perspective.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 8:05 pm

The humor is China is finalizing it’s 14th economic, energy and electric power Five Year Plan (2021–2025). The minimum number of coal power stations being floated is 1,300GW up from 1000GW it was supposed to peak at and there is push to make it higher.

Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 8:14 pm

Loydo I gave examples of industries where radical environmentalism has closed. That is what you doubted. Another example, which fortunately they couldn’t kill was metallurgical coal up on the Stockton plateau. The greenies said there was a carnivorous snail up there and only there and only 500 specimens were left. The coal company at great expense collected over 6000 (at a cost of about $8000 a snail) from a small area before they stopped. These were given to the Department of Conservation for safekeeping to be relocated or returned after the land was replanted. DoC then killed a lot of them in a storage accident.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doc-staff-upset-mishap-killed-rare-snails/KMVUPMZNRVIOFFWHPMPLZDAVWE/

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 9:00 pm

“Chris Morris December 2, 2020 at 3:46 pm

Many manufacturing plants have been offshored, with a big cause of that being the problem that getting new plant through the RMA (Resource Management Act).

Good lord, yes the RMA, an effective strangle on ANYTHING. Private land, public transport, building, EVERYTHING.

fred250
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 3, 2020 3:13 am

I’d argue that loy doesn’t have bow

…. nor any arrows to go with it.

Constantly firing BLANKS with a fantasy bow and arrow.

leowaj
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 3, 2020 8:27 am

A couple of times over the last decade I was seriously looking to immigrate to New Zealand but in the last couple of years as RMA has effectively strangled development of everything, I have reconsidered. Then Ardern became PM and it got worse.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 1:32 pm

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Climate Alarmists richly deserve all the sarcasm, ridicule, and mockery that they get, because of all their lies and sheer stupidity.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 2:45 pm

Lets not forget absolute arrogance.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 3:12 pm

I also love the way he uses words like ‘fear’ and ‘hate’ – which are pure projection – pretty much the entire message on this board is ‘you don’t have to be afraid, and stop listening to those who are’. What Loydo misinterprets as fear and hate is actually well-justified anger and outrage.

And right now, I’m trying to think of even one public statement by a progressive in the last four and half years that wasn’t based entirely on fear, hate, nastiness, and bile.

Anybody?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 10:09 pm

When Nancy Pelosi said that she was praying for Donald Trump! (Did she ever reveal the content of those prayers?)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:24 pm

Ardern, and all New Zealanders who voted her into office are deserving of every last piece of derision and opprobrium sensible people can fling at her and those like her. Socialism does not work, nor ever can work. Pretending that there is some new method to pick up a turd by the clean end merely demonstrates stupidity and willful ignorance.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 6:50 pm

The solution to failed Socialism is always more Socialism.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
December 4, 2020 12:43 am

The solution to failed Socialism is Other People’s Money.

But eventually even that runs out.

Graham
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:44 am

Well said Rory Forbes.
Countries deserve the government that they elect .
Every thing that happened in New Zealand helped Ardern .
The Mosque shooting in Christchurch by an Australian and then Covid19 .
The Prime Minister was on TV every day at 1pm during our lockdown speaking about number of case and the 25 people who died from the virus .
She had a captive audience and she became a saint in so many peoples eyes .
There was never any doubt that the majority of the population would vote for her and her party.
This all came about because at the last election in 2017 the New Zealand First Party held the balance and should have formed a government with the National Party that had the most members elected .
The New Zealand First Party was annihilated in the 2020 election and rightly so as those that had strategically voted for them were disgusted with them.
If NZ First had teamed up with National things would have been quite different but that is now history .

mikebartnz
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 1:24 am

You have got to remember that Jenny Shitley shat on NZ first from a great height and that is probably why Winston chose not to go with National, so National only have themselves to blame for that.
What I would like to know is did she ever pay the taxpayer back for the alterations on her house when she created her electorate office there?
Would you want to be stabbed in the back twice?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 9:40 am

You’re right, this Chinese disease and subsequent lock-down was the greatest asset the Left had to consolidate their advances toward their agenda.

Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:33 pm

Have the nasty men at WUWT hurt your feelings again, Loydo?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Graemethecat
December 2, 2020 2:55 pm

Well, he likes to provoke the board and then pretend to cry about being mistreated when he gets the expected response. Typical progressive.

Loydo
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 6:44 pm

No, just observing the patterns here. Ignore AGW, villify anyone who doesn’t. Old, white men seem to find strong, young females especially terrifying. They act like victims backed into a corner; all us vs them, distraught, as the world spins off onto some incomprehenisble orbit where their entitled power and stature is stipped away – like an unruly grandpa being told to bathe.

“Typical progressive” is a good example. Do you actually think there is such a pidgeon-hole that half the population (more like the vast majority in your case) neatly occupy? – with homogenous values, political affiliations, moral compass, spirtual beleifs and world view? It’s ludicrous, but from your vantage point crouched in a corner, where it must look like the whole world is against you, fear does strange things.
For WUWT and Eric, attacking Ardern and then gleefuly sitting back and watching while all the crazies come out and call her names is a no-brainer, itg’s de rigueur.

“…one public statement by a progressive…” Read a few of Ardern’s speeches and come back with a quote or two to back up your claim. Perhaps you might start with her responses to the Christchurch massacre. She’s cente-left, but I guess anything to the left of Genghis Khan fits.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 10:34 pm

One aspect about women and their performance on a job (as contrasted with men) is that they pay more attention to detail, and more closely follow the “letter of the law.” Men tend to be more generalized, forgiving, and willing to make exceptions in their approach.

Yes I know this is a generalization, and many cases can be pointed to that exhibit the contrary; but now almost halfway through my 8th decade of life, this is just my personal observation and experience.

Translation: I don’t ‘fear’ Joe’s policies as much as I ‘fear’ Kamala’s policies; and with Joe being the weaker person in this situation, yes, there is reason for conservatives to be concerned about their freedoms being curtailed.

(Aren’t we all tired of not being able to go to a restaurant; go to the gym; go to the theatre; go on a short overnight trip; etc. etc. because the hospitality and entertainment industries are barely functional — particularly in states governed by democrats.)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 10:45 pm

Committed by an Australian.

sycomputing
Reply to  Loydo
December 3, 2020 3:29 pm

Ignore AGW, villify anyone who doesn’t.

At the most viewed blog in the WORLD on climate change???

Good grief man.

Graham
Reply to  Loydo
December 3, 2020 8:49 pm

Loydo and Simon ,
Have you ever heard the phrase” useful idiots “?
You might even begin to doubt the nonsense that most of the main stream media constantly churn out by reading some of the blogs on this site .
Global warming as this was first known has been hijacked by activists .
You don’t believe that do you ?
Why is there so much noise about less than one degree Celsius warming around the globe when there is proof that the earths climate has been warmer than present three times in the last 10, 000 years .
Every thing is exaggerated like a photo of the Statue of Liberty under water and many other examples come to mind .
Why would activists and politicians include methane from farmed animals as emissions .
Why else would the same people include the harvesting of plantation forests as a countries emissions ,
I can tell you why Simon and Loydo to scare the useful idiots like you two so that you troll on this and other sites that are putting forward an alternative case against the glowbull scam which is creating untold harm around the world .

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 9:07 pm

I might add, Graham, this planet has been steadily COOLING since the Holocene Optimum ~ 10,000 years ago. We’re now merely warming a little, since the Little Ice Age (the coldest period since the Holocene Optimum). It’s not warming we Earthlings need to fear. This interglacial period is already older than average. We need to fear the next ice age. Changing this planet’s climates is not within our power.

fred250
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 11:34 pm

Loy-dumb is more a comedian than anything else.

Always attempting to climb to village idiot level.

An ultra-leftist who can’t abide anyone to the right of Genghis Khan commenting about the totalitarian marxist/facist/socialism that he so want to live under.

Doesn’t realise that he will STILL be at he bottom of the human ladder.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:44 pm

I’m sorry, you insipid little twerp, if we don’t adhere to your cowardice, bile and nastiness – you’re the smartass who shows up here every single day to piss people off as much as you can.

Progressives pretty much got the monopoly on smears. Your post is one.

Simon
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 7:28 pm

Me thinks Joel Snide is rather upset that King tRump is going down in a slow but permanent fashion. Humiliated on a daily basis by a man older than him. That must hurt. And it must hurt a whole lot more if you believe the nonsense tRump and his team spew about the election being rigged. Yeah and while it is only credible to the gullible, clearly there are enough for tRump to latch on to.

So what do he and other tRump disciples do? They distract by trying to ridicule another world leader. They pick one who is the polar opposite of their man-boy. A young woman. One with principles, who is able to articulate them in an intelligent way. One who won an election by a landslide and enjoys almost unprecedented support across the country. One who because of her quick and strategic actions saved her country from suffering the tragic deaths of thousands from covid. One who is able to lead by uniting, not by dividing. One who can talk to people of varying races and who doesn’t mock people’s disabilities. One who admits her short comings, but tries to learn from them. Every thing man-boy tRump isn’t. Owch, owch owch.

But if you think about it, Adern did what tRumps supporters crow that he does. She did what she said she would do before the election. So while they think he is some sort of strong leader because he does what he says he will do. She is just a silly leftist female with crazy ideals ruining the country. Well I got news for you, kiwis are a whole lot happier and better placed than the mess the US finds itself in. Here’s some free advice. Maybe take a look at your leader of the last four years before you try to mock one from another country, because on every metric, Adern kicks his wobbly arse. Just saying.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2020 11:21 pm

Horse face has done very little you pathetic prat, just opens her mouth and makes another announcement. She has done nothing to make NZ a better and more viable place to live. You just had to show more Trump hating spiel.

Simon
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 12:58 am

“Horse face”… classy. Clearly you get your put down wit from watching tRump.

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 1:35 am

Simon you made out you were from NZ but I don’t believe you are as you wouldn’t have such a pathetic hatred of Trump as you do.
You can try and insult me as much as you like but it will have no effect as I have absolutely no respect for you. I only respect someone’s opinion if I respect them and you have definitely failed that.

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 2:49 am

Simon. Also you say I am classy for calling Jacinda Horse face and yet you call Trump tRump. Is there a possibility that you are a two faced git? Just wondering if you are at all self aware because it certainly doesn’t appear so.

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 11:22 pm

loy-dumb empty mouthing.. cranks out another chihuahua brained load of mindless yapping

Look at his/her/its delusion and self-hatred..

Poor low-life loy !

Simon
Reply to  fred250
December 3, 2020 3:30 pm

Fred
Some advice. Don’t drink and comment. You end up trolling the wrong person. Remember I’m the other guy who sends your heart a flutter.

Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 12:22 pm

Either Jacinda has no idea what “carbon-neutral” means or she’s just another typical Marxist airhead, posturing to the useful idiots and true believers who lap up all manner of politicized nonsense as though it was actually scientific fact. New Zealand will be reduced to a third world cinder, up to its eyeballs in debt to China, before they start to see the light … if ever.

MarkG
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 6:07 pm

New Zealand will be reduced to the place where the CCP have their dachas safely away from the proles, living in pretty countryside with beaches and skiing nearby.

The existing New Zealanders will have to be relocated first, of course.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkG
December 2, 2020 6:31 pm

I expect that’s exactly what will happen if things don’t begin to take a ‘right turn’ in the near future. What I find amusing is; useful idiots like Jacinda always believe the communist overlords will include them in the spoils … and it never does. They’re always the first to be “disappeared”. Such people also believe in the precautionary principle fallacy, as well.

December 2, 2020 12:43 pm

If we give her the benefit of the doubt and play along with “there is a climate emergency” (which there really isn’t), the next step in logic is “what do I do about it?”

She will be (exaggerating about) tilting at CO2 windmills … and there will be NO “carbon neutral”.

I am going to put on my shoes, and go home, to walk the dogs on this sunny day. My actions will have just as impressive of a (positive) impact on the climate emergency as do her actions.

EVERYONE that sees or talks to a stupid person needs to tell them, early on, that you recognize their stupidity. Otherwise they might gain confidence and end up as the PM of New Zealand or President of USA.

Mr.
Reply to  DonM
December 2, 2020 2:34 pm

Thanks DonM.
I often wonder whether the Arderns of the world have that little voice in their heads (as most rational adults do) that asks them just before they say something – “are you sure what you’re about to say isn’t really nonsensical?)

Rud Istvan
December 2, 2020 12:44 pm

Great. Now we can add NZ to the UK and California as leading examples of intentional societal suicide over the next decade.

Unworkable ‘solutions’ to imaginary problems.
Don’t live in any of those places, so fun to watch from afar.

HAS
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 2, 2020 10:08 pm

Actually we’ll happily come through it all relatively unscathed. This government largely consists of political junkies and union officials and have zip track record in actually doing stuff. Three years from now the hurt will be showing and pragmatic kiwis will move on.

Personally I’m more worried about the good old US of A. You can do stuff ups at scale.

max
December 2, 2020 1:07 pm

” I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture…
– Animal House

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

The rugger world better starts looking for new champions. In 5 years time the All Blacks are not allowed to fly anywhere.

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 4, 2020 2:45 am

I think you’ll find the Springboks have done that already

December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

“Speaking in parliament after its introduction, Ardern said the country must “act with urgency”
This is what Lufthansa has to say to pilots about acting on impulse (urgency) “The chance of saving the day by spontaneous reaction is extremely remote. The chance of catapulting yourself into deepest trouble is very high.”

James
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 6:52 am

Funny you mention that! I watch a Air Crash Investigation type show last night about the first ever 747 hull loss incident. If they had fire walled the throttles they probably would have kept the plane flying and been okay. They tried to take off without the leading edge flaps down, and the plan did not fly to good. They had been using a reduced power setting as the plane was not fully loaded.

Denis Purdy
December 2, 2020 1:26 pm

I have already made this comment on Twitter in relation another of Jacinda Adern’s stupidities.

I am a 63 years old New Zealander and I can remember NZ governments back to the mid 60s. Jacinda Adern is the dumbest Prime Minister in the dumbest government of my lifetime. She/they out stupid the Muldoon government of the early 80s which is something that I would not have thought possible 5 years ago.

Ian Cooper
Reply to  Denis Purdy
December 3, 2020 12:52 pm

Denis, I am the same age with the same thoughts. The New Zealand public has a lot to do with this though. Look at the landslide swings of the 70’s. First Labour, then National. The desire to get rid of Muldoon after 9 years led to another Labour landslide in ’84. The problem was that the charming David Lange was not really the leader. “Rogernomics” as it was called, was considered a necessary evil and we had to suffer some pain in order to gain (we are still waiting BTW). Roger Douglas & co through out the baby with the bath water. Not every institution needed casting to the wind. Major assets paid for by the taxpayer were sold cheaply, and later bought back at a higher price after they had been asset stripped!
We got rid of Rogernomics in the late 80’s only to be inflicted by “Ruthless Ruth Richardson” as minister of finance, followed by the advent of “Queen Shipley” who back stabbed her way to the top. The 21st century brought us 9 years of of the perennial “Aunty Helen Clark” and the nanny state, followed by nearly 9 years of the smarmy John Key.

The wheeling & dealing at each election since 1996 and the arrival of MMP has meant that we often don’t know the final result for many weeks after the election. The promises made by this current government & our ‘beloved leader,’ aren’t worth the toilet paper they are written on. This last election showed just how naive & gullible many Kiwi voters are. Those who supposedly thought that a vote for Labour would keep the Greens out of power forgot or didn’t realise that many in Labour who wear a red coat have a green T-Shirt on underneath. Unfortunately this is also true of the National Party (look at failed leader Todd Muellers beliefs).

Kiwis need to stop listening and watching the lame-stream media. Get of their backsides and dig into the BS they are being fed at national & local level politics! Challenge anyone in authority, don’t take their word for anything!

otzar
December 2, 2020 1:29 pm

Do the sheep get to vote in NZ?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  otzar
December 2, 2020 2:13 pm

“Do the sheep get to vote in NZ?”

Apparently they do, judging by the results of the last election. Why shouldn’t they? I mean 10s … maybe 100s of thousands of dead people voted with no trouble in the US.

Carbon500
December 2, 2020 1:37 pm

Rud Istvan: agreed entirely. I live in the UK, I’m 72 years old, and I’ve lived here for all of those years. I look on with amazement at the nonsense declarations regarding making this country ‘carbon neutral’.
Here’s Met Office data on temperature, rainfall, and sunshine for various parts of the UK going back for something like a 100 years. Does any of this look like a changing climate, or a climate emergency? Of course not!
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-temperature-rainfall-and-sunshine-time-series

Reply to  Carbon500
December 2, 2020 2:43 pm

The UK’s climate hasn’t changed. Occasionally we have polar, occasionally we have tropical, mostly we have temperate. I think it’s an Atlantic climate within that we sometimes have droughts, and sometimes floods. The Arctic is still a polar climate, it is not any of the other climates especially tropical. The Sahara is still arid in a sub-tropical zone and is not Polar and the Amazon is still tropical and is not polar or arid. I’m not seeing ANY climate change.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 2, 2020 5:31 pm

The term “climate change” itself is an example of the fallacy of equivocation (appeal to ambiguity. Change is the default condition of all climates … some have short term variation while others have not changed in centuries or even millennia. However, this planet has no climate that makes any kind f sense. There are only so many variables subject to averaging rationally. In other words, “climate change” is meaningless in any practical sense.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:26 am

Thanks for that as I hadn’t heard of the “fallacy of equivocation”. And it’s always ‘climate change’ as a singular: ‘save the earth’s climate’ and other such non existent nonsense. Many people live at the boundaries between climate zones and do not understand that they are not geological and will therefore shift. But more depressingly some have no idea of the huge amount of time stretching back where the earth has gone through enormous changes and instead they have an infantile view that the earth’s singular climate has always been the same since humans have been around. A little knowledge IS dangerous.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 9:53 am

You’ll also notice that many of their arguments are in the form of fallacies … from ad hominem to shifting the goal posts are ad populum and straw men. “Climate change” is also a tautology, which in logic is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation, but because it is used as a logical fallacy, they’ve set up a paradox … both a false argument and a perfect argument. Naturally people default to it being true. It’s very clever.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:52 pm

Thanks Rory.
I’m just reading through ‘Covid-19: The Great Reset’. It is an alarming read and not in the way the authors intended. They assert many things as if they are true and already exist.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 1:52 pm

Much of this appears like pages right out of 1984. We were softened up with the AIDS “epidemic” that never was, with 24/7 media hype that the entire world were in danger of catching a disease that required intense, repeated contact and the exchange of bodily fluids. That was followed by the entirely invented scare of second hand smoke. Then came AGW, followed by “climate change”. By the time the CCP disease was released, people simple bent over and spread their cheeks … bleating “me too, me too.”

If these issues were required to produce the standard of proof demanded in civil law, the judge would throw the case out of court for lack of evidence. Of the “great emergencies” I listed above, not one rises to the standard of: “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 4:36 pm

“Rory Forbes December 3, 2020 at 1:52 pm

That was followed by the entirely invented scare of second hand smoke.”

There is evidence to support the effects of second hand smoke. Example, Roy Castle, before he became a TV presenter on a show called Record Breakers in the UK, he was a trumpeter in a band. For many years he played in pubs, clubs and venues at a time when smoking was not banned in such places. He died of lung cancer.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 3, 2020 8:48 pm

Apart from the fact that relying on anecdotal “evidence” is far from compelling the common fallacy known as ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ is why your example is not evidence. Millions of smokers did not die from lung cancer and 100s of millions of people exposed to 2nd hand smoke didn’t die from lung cancer. When you make assertions, always test your statement against possible fallacies.

Note: It is logical fallacies that support almost every piece of “climate change” propaganda … from the 97% “consensus” to the equivocal term “climate change”. That doesn’t even include simply bad science, as the 2nd smoke scam is. SHS has a relative risk less than 1 to 1. It’s statistical fancy.

Mr.
Reply to  Carbon500
December 2, 2020 2:44 pm

Thanks Carbon500.
I see that bugger all has changed in Scotland’s max daily temp in that 100 years or so (0.4C?)
Which just goes to support that basic observation that if an increase of 0.4 C in your local temp over 100 years makes you uncomfortable, just move to a spot ~ 25 miles North (if you live in the Northern Hemisphere).

December 2, 2020 1:43 pm

New Zealanders are simple folk without intellectual ambitions, which is why so many of them are now living in Australia. This is why the elected their present Prime Minister. New Zealand will now be left to moulder quietly behind its Long White Cloud.

HAS
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 2, 2020 10:12 pm

And I think you are obviously getting by on your good looks.

I trust you are smart enough that I don’t need to explain.

Simon
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 2, 2020 11:25 pm

nicholas tesdorf
“New Zealanders are simple folk without intellectual ambitions, which is why so many of them are now living in Australia. ”
I don’t think you are getting the sharpest and best. They say the IQ of both countries goes up every time a kiwi leaves for Australia.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 12:15 am

No! That was “Piggy” Muldoon who first coined that phrase. And he was an arrogant tw@t just like Peters.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 3:16 am

says simple simon, of the single digit IQ.

December 2, 2020 1:46 pm

It is stunning how many people completely, unquestioningly embrace the biggest hoax of the 21st century. There is no “climate emergency”. There is only slow, benign warming with no measurable negative consequences except, possibly, sea level rise, which incidentally is STILL 4 to 6 meters lower than it was during the warmest era of the prior interglacial 125,000 years ago and not likely to get there for another 3,000 years or so at the current rate. Astonishing ignorance welded to unassailable sanctimoniousness.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  stinkerp
December 2, 2020 2:20 pm

stinkerp
December 2, 2020 at 1:46 pm

Quite right. But you don’t have to go back that far. Here where I live on NZ’s North Island you can clearly see terraces and beach strand lines that were formed only 6000 years ago when the sea was about 2m higher than now.

I blame the lack of science teaching in our school system for decades. No critical thinking, just being led like sheep to the nearest cliff.

Rod Evans
December 2, 2020 1:48 pm

One of the most amazing feature of NZ is the ownership of boats big boats trailered to launching docks pulled by big pickups. Tractors also play a part in launching. Can’t see how any of that will be done without fossil fuels by 2025. Also if anyone has driven on the NZ roads they know timber lorries pulling massive trailers all powered by big American rigs are common place.
I can’t see any of that happening without fossil fuels either.
Such misplaced left wing nonsense trying to ruin a great country. I fear the virtue signalling greens may succeed in destroying all that is core NZ culture.

James
Reply to  Rod Evans
December 3, 2020 6:49 am

The Tesla Vaporizing Truck should work fine for that! Just do not go into water deeper than 3 ” as you will short out the electric motors! Reserve yours now! Just send 1000 dollar deposit made out to “Keep Tesla solvent for another year!” to Elon Musk, Commiefornia!

leitmotif
December 2, 2020 2:01 pm

Jacinda Ardern calls climate emergency 26 months after IPCC report.

Must have finally found a political use for it.

u.k.(us)
December 2, 2020 2:16 pm

“Climate Emergency”.
The gift that just keeps giving, unless you fix it.

Kiwi Rickoshay
December 2, 2020 2:27 pm

There is a climate emergency its called Grand Solar Minimum, followed closely bye the Magnetic excursion of the Planetary field, The warmists are at last gasp and there ideas are bluntly wrong.
Its at the point of ridiculousness now, but thats how these clowns are educated, they truly beleave in the AGW religion and scream murder at any attempt to re-educate them to reality.
No doubt ill be digging electric cars outta snow drifts, complete with frozen dumb-asses wearing Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts, their faces frozen into masks of confusion for some time to come.
Oh the PM came down here to the bottom of the country at the start of spring to launch some bullshit political thing or another, she was promptly snowed in for two days, “theres yer global warming bitch” said Mother Earth.

Robert of Ottawa
December 2, 2020 4:04 pm

Good grief, isn’t one emergency enough? Or have they run out of Covid Emergency and now need more Emergency to keep the tyranny afloat? Come On Down, Climate Emergency!