We’re Saved! New Zealand just Declared a Climate Emergency

New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern
New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern. By Newzild – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

While nobody expects the elimination of New Zealand’s carbon footprint to have a significant direct impact on global warming, the rest of the world will surely be inspired by New Zealand’s moral example.

New Zealand declares a climate change emergency

Phil Taylor in Auckland
Wed 2 Dec 2020 13.42 AEDT

Jacinda Ardern calls climate change ‘one of the greatest challenges of our time’ and pledges carbon-neutral government by 2025

New Zealand has declared a climate change emergency and committed to a carbon-neutral government by 2025, in what the prime minister Jacinda Ardern called “one of the greatest challenges of our time”.

Speaking in parliament after its introduction, Ardern said the country must “act with urgency”.Climate emergency: New Zealand must match words and actionsRead more

“This declaration is an acknowledgement of the next generation. An acknowledgement of the burden that they will carry if we do not get this right and do not take action now,” she said.

“It is up to us to make sure we demonstrate a plan for action, and a reason for hope.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/new-zealand-declares-a-climate-change-emergency

New Zealand does not manufacture much, decades of radical environmentalism have taken a toll. So despite New Zealand’s pledge to be carbon neutral by 2025, they will be importing lots of carbon tainted manufactured goods for the foreseeable future.

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JEHILL
December 2, 2020 10:06 am

I laugh in their general direction. Welcome to living in the 18th century again…

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  JEHILL
December 2, 2020 11:58 am

The history of the final two decades of the 18th Century have two of the most consequential revolutions of the past 2,000 years: the American revolution and the French Revolution.
The French Revolution especially captures the public’s attention because it led not just to guillotine for thousands but a deep, internal restructuring of French society and governance. And the 3 other major European powers at the time, England, Austria, and Prussia viewed the French revolution as grave threat because of an idea of Freedom that that they feared would spread to their autocratic ruling class.

As for the American Revolution, it really wasn’t decisively decided until the Americans were again victorious in the conclusion of the War of 1812. Until that point, the US experiment in breaking free from Great Britain’s colonial control was still not finalized until December 24, 1814 Treaty of Ghent which finally ended Great Britain’s desire to control the Americans.

The “causes” section of the French Revolution in Wikipedia deserves a read by anyone looking for historical parallels between what led up to the overthrow of the French monarchy.
Those Causes are clues to what may happen if the ongoing climate scam and ruinous energy policies are used as an excuse to destroy economic productivity and thus an inability for the common People to stay fed in a hunger/famine induced by energy poverty. And an underlying theme running through this was the French government’s inability to continue to refinance its crushing debts.

The intellectuals on the Left understand much of this history and their desire to March the West into it’s own Green Leap Forward following the ideals of Mao’s era of destruction and consolidation of power across China. The Left in the West has been striving for several decades now to disarm their populace. They’ve succeeded in most of Europe, Canada, Australia, and recently NZ in this disarming the population to prevent a French Revolution-style counter revolution to their plans via a Free people able to fight back.

Bottom-line: There is new civil war in the US coming unless the Left can be stopped now at the ballot box.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 1:37 pm

First, you’d need to get the ballot box out from under the Left. As long as they control the boxes and the counters, they can not be stopped.

OldGreyGuy
Reply to  Spetzer86
December 2, 2020 4:23 pm

+1

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Spetzer86
December 2, 2020 11:34 pm

It is not just the left that control the ballot. Elites on both sides of the divide are clearly seen to be involved to protect their own privileges. Republicans who were elected to preserve the interests of the people have abandoned them to the wolves.

nw sage
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 3, 2020 7:28 pm

The day our population loses confidence that their LEGAL votes will be accurately counted – and that illegal votes will not be – is the day that democracy as defined here will cease to exist. Is that what Obama had in mind when he said he would fundamentally change in America? Voting, and confidence in the result, is pretty fundamental. And Obama never explained what he meant by that statement!

AndrewSanDiego
Reply to  Spetzer86
December 2, 2020 11:54 pm

“It is not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes” – Joseph Stalin

Barry Malcolm
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 4:13 pm

To Joel O’Brian. The Americans did not win the war of 1812 just as they didn’t win the Vietnam War.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Barry Malcolm
December 2, 2020 5:56 pm

Major General Sir Edward Pakenham would have begged differ with that assessment had he survived the War of 1812-1815. The massive losses suffered by the British Army at the Battle of New Orleans ensured Britain would abide by the Treaty of Ghent and respect American sovereignty.

eck
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 6:51 pm

Ole Barry is a bit historically challenged. Say what?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 3, 2020 5:51 am

“Ole Barry is a bit historically challenged.”

Yeah, Barry is wrong on both counts.

The United States is free of British rule.

And the U.S. did not lose the Vietnam war. The U.S. military returned to the United States in 1973, after the Paris Peace Agreement was signed. Two years later, the North Vietnamese broke the peace treaty and invaded South Vietnam again.

And even though the United States was legally and morally obligated to go to South Vietnam’s aid under these circumstances, the radical Left was in charge in the United States (embodied by Senator Edward Kennedy) and they told South Vietnam to Go to Hell and refused to come to their aid. So the United States did not lose the Vietnam war, rather South Vietnam was thrown to the communist wolves by Leftwing American politicians. The U.S. military had nothing to do with it.

When Leftwing politicians are in charge in the United States, every freedom-loving nation on Earth is in danger, because leftwing American politicians will not defend you, or defend even their own nation. Trump said when he first took Office, one of his generals came to him and told him the military was critically short of ammunition. That’s how leftwing politicians treat the U.S. military. Obama and Biden left out military in a bind when they left Office. And now here comes Biden again.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 3, 2020 4:55 pm
Patrick MJD
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 3, 2020 10:35 pm

You guys did have a little help from the French.

Reply to  Barry Malcolm
December 2, 2020 8:16 pm

The Battle of New Orleans actually took place after an end to the war was agreed upon….messages traveled slow back then. The Vietnam War was won at a very high price and then Nixon got in political trouble and the demrats were able to pass legislation prohibiting any further action in Vietnam…..without American air power standing by , the North Vietnamese invaded South Vietnam with conventional forces and overwhelmed the South Vietnamese forces.

Aidan
Reply to  T. C. Clark
December 3, 2020 12:40 pm

The writing was on the wall in the Vietnam war in 1965. The lessons from the battles at Drang & Albany were swept under the carpet. Effectively the war was lost in Nov 1965. It took another two years to 31 Jan 1968 when even the most optimistic arm chair general realised the game was up.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  T. C. Clark
December 4, 2020 4:29 am

“The writing was on the wall in the Vietnam war in 1965. The lessons from the battles at Drang & Albany were swept under the carpet. Effectively the war was lost in Nov 1965. It took another two years to 31 Jan 1968 when even the most optimistic arm chair general realised the game was up.”

A ridiculous statement, which shows you know nothing about the Vietnam war.

During the Tet Offensive in early 1968, American forces wiped out the Viet Cong communist guerriallas/terrorists that had operated in South Vietnam under cover for years. During the Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong believed the communist propaganda that they were going to defeat the United States, so the Viet Cong came out of hiding for the first time in the war, and the Americans promptly destroyed them. The Viet Cong were no longer an effective fighting force after the Tet Offensive, they had to be replaced by North Vietnamese regular military.

At the end of the war, the North Vietnamese were hurt so badly that they were putting 15-year-old boys into the fighting line. Why do you think they signed a peace treaty if they were winning?

The North Vietnamese tried another major military offensive in May of 1968, called Mini-Tet by the Americans. The North Vietnamese mounted this offensive in order to compensate for the bad publicity they got from the first Tet Offensive when they were beaten so badly by American forces. So they tried another one in May, although this one wasn’t nearly as comprehensive as the first Tet Offensive, since they had a lot less troops available to them for the second go-round.

Mini-Tet was also a military disaster for the North Vietnamese.

Philip York
Reply to  Barry Malcolm
December 2, 2020 10:46 pm

Yes. Didnt they get beaten in British Canada.

Gord in Calgary
Reply to  Barry Malcolm
December 3, 2020 10:04 am

I expect Donald Trump might call it a win, a huge win. Most historians would, if be generous, call it a draw. The real losers were the American Indians.

‘The United States suffered many costly defeats at the hands of British, Canadian and Native American troops over the course of the War of 1812, including the capture and burning of the nation’s capital, Washington, D.C., in August 1814. Nonetheless, American troops were able to repulse British invasions in New York, Baltimore and New Orleans, boosting national confidence and fostering a new spirit of patriotism. The ratification of the Treaty of Ghent on February 17, 1815, ended the war but left many of the most contentious questions unresolved. Nonetheless, many in the United States celebrated the War of 1812 as a “second war of independence,” beginning an era of partisan agreement and national pride.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gord in Calgary
December 4, 2020 4:33 am

” The real losers were the American Indians.”

I’m an American Indian (Cherokee). Well, partially. And I don’t feel like a loser. Perhaps you don’t speak for all indians.

Indians in this neck of the woods (Oklahoma) are doing pretty good. They are doing so good, they are donating money to white people.

John Galt III
Reply to  Barry Malcolm
December 4, 2020 5:37 am

They won at the battle of New Orleans when Andrew Jackson destroyed the British Troops. British troops have never returned. That’s winning, dude.

Vietnam – the purpose was to limit the expansion of communism – today you got N Korea, The Chicoms and Vietnam – the last two are more fascist than Communist. The battle of Vietnam may have been lost but Communism in Asia is dead except 3 countries.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 9:16 pm

One of my favorite quotes, I think it’s true, Deng was asked on the 200 year anniversary of the French Revolution to give his thoughts on its effect.
He replied “too soon to tell”

It certainly was awful

Observer
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
December 3, 2020 5:11 am

According to Nixon’s interpreter, the “revolution” Deng was referring to was the French students’ revolts in 1968 rather than the revolt that began in 1789.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 10:16 pm

War of 1812 – aka “BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE”

Yeah, America won that. Totally.

Vietnam is more complex. In 1972 there was a small thing called the ‘Paris Peace Accords’. A treaty was signed and America left.

Then in 1975 the North decided they really wanted to show their tanks to the South Vietnamese government. America at the time signed and said they were not going to get involved this time. South Vietnam collapsed and history books gained a new page.

So the question is can you still lose a war if you have already left it via an internationally accepted treaty?

The other question is why, after spending all those years, all those lives and all that money defending the South from aggression by the North, did you just stand by and watch only a few years later? Was the war important or not?

There is no real clear simple answer to that, so the simple answer is that the ‘West’ failed to prevent the fall of the South Vietnamese government and the North won. And if the North won, then the ‘West’ clearly didn’t. And if they clearly didn’t win, then we may as well cut to the chase and say they lost.

It is a simple answer to a complex question that was never really going to have a palatable answer anyway.

Still, not as if the North Vietnamese marched unopposed into Washington and burnt down the White House or anything, so it can’t have been THAT bad.

Michael Sheil
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 3, 2020 11:03 am

I believe the American land- grab of Canada, commonly called the Revolutionary War of 1812 was a complete disaster for America with British Troops fighting through to Washington and razing the White House.
How strange that history can be so skewed by later reviewers.

Reply to  JEHILL
December 2, 2020 12:00 pm

The biggest laugh refers to electric cars which are “recommended” here.

All the ones I have seen carry a badge saying “Carbon Zero” or some such slogan.

The catch is that apart from windmills and solar, NZ relies on Hydro, which is fine, a little bit of Geothermal and the rest is thermal, which is mainly taken up by the large coal burning thermal electricity complex near a place called Huntly .

So for a start, the “Carbon Zero” slogan is BS as all that will happen, is that the Huntly thermal complex, which generally takes up any deficiency in the electricity grid, will take up any pressure from the rest of the grid. After all it is the biggest generator in NZ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntly_Power_Station

So much for Carbon Zero just turn up the flames at Huntly and feel good about it:)

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Roger Surf
December 2, 2020 4:10 pm

Instead of “Carbon Zero” the cars should carry the Label “Coal Powered”.

Minor quibble: Your erroneous comment about the war of 1812 … harummph.

HAS
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
December 2, 2020 9:50 pm

NZ is around 80% renewable electricity.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  HAS
December 3, 2020 12:17 am

When the Clyde dam breaks in a quake…buh bye NZ!

mikebartnz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 3, 2020 1:13 am

I remember travelling through that area as it was being built in about 1984 and had to wait about half an hour as blasting was being done. There were many apricot groves destroyed and later on there were some big problems with the sides of the dam. It won’t be bye bye NZ if it breaks in a quake but it will mean the coal plants will have to ramp up.
If the Tiwhai aluminium smelter was closed we would be 100% renewable because all of Manapouri’s output goes there but the price of electricity is what encouraged them to build it in the first place and any threat to that will have them moving elsewhere and there have been a few threats over the years. I am not sure how many they employ but I suspect it would be to our detriment if it disappeared.
Where would the North Island be without the South Islands (mainlands) output? Basically geothermal and bird bashers.

HAS
Reply to  HAS
December 3, 2020 12:44 am

if the alpine fault breaks Clyde is one of the more robust pieces of infrastructure. Loss of electricity will be the least of our worries

Observer
Reply to  HAS
December 3, 2020 5:15 am

Relax, people. If the post’s words are accurate, St. Jacinda has only committed to a carbon-neutral GOVERNMENT by 2025.

HAS
Reply to  Roger Surf
December 2, 2020 9:46 pm

Coal generates only about 4-5% of the electricity in NZ.

Derg
Reply to  HAS
December 3, 2020 3:12 am

Then work hard to eliminate it 😉

Reply to  HAS
December 8, 2020 1:30 am

What ever deficiency that the grid in NZ has, so long as it is the coal burning Huntly station, which is filling in the needs of the grid at any capacity and at any time.

This means that when you start any new appliance, including your EV, it is Huntly that will power your appliance/vehicle/ or rather send CO2 into the NZ pristine atmosphere.

To bad if there are a lot of EV’s.

Cheers

Roger

Editor
Reply to  JEHILL
December 2, 2020 12:15 pm
eck
Reply to  JEHILL
December 2, 2020 6:48 pm

Well, I f..at in her general direction!
What a maroon!

Karl
December 2, 2020 10:11 am

Tokenism.

shrnfr
Reply to  Karl
December 2, 2020 10:42 am

Or perhaps Tolkeinism. He was quite the Luddite and they shot the movie there.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  shrnfr
December 2, 2020 1:51 pm

Yep! I used to ride past some of the sets on the train on my way to work. It’s amazing what CGI can do, turn Miramar in to Middle Earth. I understand the little houses with round doors are still there.

Vuk
Reply to  Karl
December 2, 2020 11:03 am

Tolkienism, hobbits are moving back to the middle earth.

John the Econ
December 2, 2020 10:14 am

More calorie-free virtue signalling. When they give up the importation of all manufactured goods from non-zero emission countries, I’ll be impressed.

December 2, 2020 10:22 am

She looks like a Racist White Colonial to me. Anyone else see it?

Andrew

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Bad Andrew
December 2, 2020 12:28 pm

She looks like she could mow down an entire stand of birch trees and make a beaver look-on with envy at those chompers.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 4:12 pm

And that’s her good anlge 🙂

meiggs
Reply to  Bad Andrew
December 2, 2020 5:36 pm

Yes, she has not banned flights in and out of “her” country. Similar to How-r-ya folks…cool until it comes to the tourist bucks then they look the other way, the msm never makes note either, strange…

Sara
Reply to  Bad Andrew
December 2, 2020 8:06 pm

Those aren’t her real teeth, are they? Nah, didn’t think so.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Sara
December 3, 2020 12:34 pm

Why am I reminded of AOC?

Ian
Reply to  Sara
December 6, 2020 2:54 am

…as my sarkey mate Dave observed, when our colleague Smikey (think Shrek without the green skin) proudly proclaimed he still had all his own teeth,

“Yeah! We can see that; nobody would pay for teeth like that!” says Our Dave!

Ron Long
December 2, 2020 10:25 am

What a bunch of delusional nonsense. What next? Make cancer illegal? order volcanoes to knock it off? I don’t laugh in their general direction, I pass gas in their general direction, which both I am good at and is more appropriate.

John Tillman
Reply to  Ron Long
December 2, 2020 10:29 am

Repent now for your methane emissions!

Send indulgence payments to St. Michael of Mann.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Ron Long
December 2, 2020 2:23 pm

Ron Long
December 2, 2020 at 10:25 am

Exactly. While our Great Leader’s at it can she please turn off the earthquakes and cancel those annoying tsunamis by 2050.

Kit
December 2, 2020 10:30 am

And another micro degree C bites the dust

Pauleta
December 2, 2020 10:32 am

They filmed Lord of the Rings there. Maybe they decide to live in the same technological era as the books,

bluecat57
December 2, 2020 10:35 am

Wow. Any chance instead of a life sentence for treason they can just send the Big Tech and Deep State traitors to New Zealand to give that country what it deserves? There are two islands. One for those that are right and want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the other for the Leftists.

Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 10:35 am

Couldn’t the AOC alike PM have waited to after Christmas?
German National TV is also spoiling Christmas as in this video I made English subtitle to a few hours ago:
cv19-german-state-tv-propaganda

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 10:59 am

Yay, inheritance.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Scissor
December 2, 2020 6:14 pm

Aktion T4.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 12:23 pm

After years of dealing with Germans in business, and yes I know the regional differences and their different styles, plus armed with a good knowledge of history (WWI is far, far more important than WWII), I have come to the conclusion that the big German failing is that they don’t know when to stop.

I leave it to you sketch out the great English failing. I’m Welsh.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 1:01 pm

Harry Davidson, this is what I wrote as description under the video:

Added English subtitles to State broadcaster BR short clip.
This is in line with the exploding schoolchildren used in the similar climate propaganda.
Is it at all legal for a state TV to broadcast such evil and unfounded terror on children?

The German propaganda for Climate and Covid policy is the same in New Zeeland, Wales, USA, etc.
Various states in Germany have different cultures and attitudes, but they all fight the Climate/Covid issue as you and I.
You say the Germans don’t know when to stop. – Following somewhat closely what is going on in Germany right now, and particularly the coming weekend, in various cities, really many Germans seem to intensify the the fight for freedom more eagerly than what we see in most other western countries.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 1:58 pm

I think that, in Europe, the nation that is most blasé about lost freedom and most willing to give them up are the British.

My own theory is that for most of Britain there hasn’t been a real despotic dictatorship since Cromwell died in 1658. The Jacobite Rebellions were a civil war even in Scotland, and were only harshly repressed in a small area. Across mainland Europe there’s not a nation that didn’t have a dictator or been fought over. Gives you a different perspective, never having had to take back liberty makes you careless with it.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 3, 2020 12:46 am

The history of England and Wales goes forward from thew cataclysmic event of the Norman Conquest of 1066. 90% of the population north of Leeds dead. One third of the population south of Manchester dead, and in Kent and other places. The entire population put into slavery, politely called serfdom, but it wasn’t, it was slavery and didn’t fully end until Elizabeth I.
When did the Normans leave? They never did, they are still here. It was Cromwell who first really challenged the power of the Norman aristocracy, that and the industrial revolution.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Harry Davidson
December 3, 2020 1:55 am

Harry, we are still under the Norman yoke in Britain.

Regarding lost freedom and the British being blasé about it (Ben Above), I partially agree. However, with the Brits its more about muttering and mumbling and complaining about it until someone goes to far. Step over the line of what’s considered fair or reasonable and the British backlash can be quite aggressive.

One of the reasons Britain didn’t have the bloody revolution of, say, France was due to Cromwell being so much earlier in our history. We also did create (some) fairness and freedom very early in law. Those rights pre-date the Normans and came down to us via the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon kings and customs, including the idea of Freemen. The right to trial by your peers was enshrined in law in Magana Carta in 1215, but its origin is earlier. The Habeas Corpus Act was put in law in 1679 – although the writ of Habeas Corpus is considered to have existed up to 500 yrs earlier and was guaranteed (again) by Magna Carta.

Of course the Habeas Corpus Act of 1679 is post-Cromwell – under a monarch again.

Petit_Barde
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 2:15 pm

“Germans seem to intensify the the fight for freedom more eagerly than what we see in most other western countries.”

Clearly more than in France where the only protests are fake with Black Blocs instead of actual people.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 3, 2020 12:37 am

Carl Friis-Hansen: That is the other side to not knowing when to stop – when they decide to do something they really make an effort and do their best to make it happen.

Christopher Hagan
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
December 2, 2020 2:50 pm

In Canada our dear leader recently and quietly increased the death and inheritance taxes. Never let a good Pandemic go to waste.

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 10:36 am

Was in Auckland a few years ago. The harbour tour guide mentioned the cantilevered additions to the harbour bridge. Made in Japan. Because New Zealand has no smore a steelproducing capacity worth mentioning. It will be interesting when the navy of imperialistic China will come knocking on the door intending to take over the country.

Ozonebust
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 10:46 am

Ed
Why would you manufacture what you can buy overseas at a significantly lower cost.

Mr.
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 11:41 am

A bit of gainful employment for the locals, perhaps?
Maybe cheaper than paying them the dole to do nothing productive?
An opportunity for Jacinda to get out in front of the cameras with her hi-viz safety jacket and construction hard-hat on?
(that last one is the main justification that politicians use these days approve public works)

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 1:16 pm

In China?

Kevin A
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 1:32 pm

At some point that single source will point a gun to your head, if it’s China that is a given.

rbabcock
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 1:44 pm

That’s what we said here in the US before Covid, then realized a lot of the things we REALLY NEEDED were not made here anymore. There is a benefit to buying cheaper, but sometimes you need to buy smarter.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 2:35 pm

I think you mean “a significantly lower” PRICE. Cost has an entirely different meaning. Promote ‘one stop shopping’ at you peril. If they choose to stop stocking what you want or price it out of your range, you have no recourse.

MarkG
Reply to  Ozonebust
December 2, 2020 5:30 pm

Because, after you ship all your industry overseas, you suddenly discover that you no longer have anything to sell to pay for those imported items except your land and your people.

The only reason New Zealand has been able to ship its manufacturing to China and disarm its people is because those people expect Uncle Sam to protect them from a Chinese invasion. With the US losing its position of power in the world, there will soon be nothing to prevent Xi from moving in.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkG
December 3, 2020 12:14 am

“MarkG December 2, 2020 at 5:30 pm

The only reason New Zealand has been able to ship its manufacturing to China and disarm its people is because those people expect Uncle Sam to protect them from a Chinese invasion.”

As long as the US does not arrive on nuclear powered vessels. Oh wait!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 1:48 pm

Nicknamed the “Nippon Clip-on”.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 3:59 pm

New Zealand has been hiding behind Australia for defence for decades.

When China comes for them they will be screaming about the ANZAC spirit and the long and close military bonds with Australia.

Before China comes it will be a continuation of isolation dipped in anti nuclear and anti US. Remember when NZ we first discussing entering into the ANZAC frigate programme – which eventually resulted in them purchasing two ships – there was serious political discussion about having their two ships speed limited to about 22kts in order that they would be physically unable to conduct fleet operations with the US navy.

New Zealand has wide and wet boarders, and hides behind their lack of responsibility while they claim ethical points. This is the nation that claims Australia should be more compassionate to illegal immigration from the safety of being a very long way away from the people smuggling ports.

OldGreyGuy
Reply to  Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 4:37 pm

We may no longer be in a position to help. Once upon a time we used to measure our defence capabilities by ensuring that essential industries like being able to produce high grade iron and steel for the production of arms and defence materials, parts manufacturing for planes and transport, refineries for the production of base stocks for fuel and plastics, etc.

Now sadly all of these are under cost pressure from cheap imports, imposts caused by industrial action and the traitors in our parliaments insisting that we replace our reliable power supply with unreliable renewables, inciting industrial action and of course banning the use of nuclear power.

We may also be approaching a time when we are unable to provide for our own defence. I see at that time the Greens and Labor will finally start accusing the Conservatives of doing nothing about this when they had a chance.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  OldGreyGuy
December 2, 2020 9:27 pm

In the later part of the 20th century I recall reading about the eventual replacement of the old industrial age and the newer atomic age in the U.S. with the information age. But information alone can’t mine, smelt, and forge raw material into final product. At least a robot, if not a human is needed as an agent.

Graham
Reply to  Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 8:43 pm

Craig from Oz .You Assies sure are thick .
Did the Japanese bomb Darwin in WW2 ?
What makes you think the Chinese would bypass Australia ?
As one of our Prime Ministers commented New Zealanders emigrating to OZ lifted the IQ of both countries .
Graham

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Graham
December 2, 2020 10:31 pm

Hugs Graham.

Good to hear from you again. Give my love to the movie industry.

Australia is well aware our neighbours are not always our friends. This is why Australia has a navy we can upgrade in our shipyards. (unlike NZ). This is why Australia has an Airforce that can power project and contest airspace (unlike NZ). This is why Australia is hardening the army. (unlike NZ).

The fact we have a wet border with occasionally ‘less polite’ neighbours is why Australia deals with people smugglers in a pragmatic face to face manner instead of making feel good statements about ‘compassion’, safe in the knowledge that any possible illegal coming from SE Asia is going to reach Australia first.

NZ is woke and organic and compassionate because, even though they will never confess it, they know Australia will protect them from the big nasty people no matter what NZ says because relative to the rest of the world, NZ is behind Australia.

One of the New Zealand Prime Ministers also stated the solution to NZ unemployment was getting them jobs in Sydney. Face it, if it wasn’t for the fact we still openly fear the All Blacks we would have annexed NZ years ago.

(also Aussie is spelt with a U. Which is a letter. Not a sheep.)

rossco
Reply to  Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 11:24 pm

Hey Craig from Oz,

You dont seem to know your WW2 history. After Tobruk Oz faded from the the world stage.

McArthur didn’t trust you guys(probably for good reason.)

While we were a quarter you population from 1942 NZ absolute deaths in WW2 exceeded Australia.

Did you guys fight at Guadacanal with the yanks?
Did you guys have the biggest infantry division on the allied side in WW2… No !

We saved your butts big time, a gracious thank you would be appeciated.

As the saying goes, Nothing happened in WW2 without a Kiwi being involved! They dont say that baout the aussies.

Still national myths are a great force especially on the Aussie side when they arent true 🙂

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Graham
December 2, 2020 10:49 pm

You talking about “Piggy” Muldoon? He was a smart ass, I would not put him too high on a pedestal.

JCR
Reply to  Graham
December 2, 2020 11:13 pm

Ah yes, Piggy Muldoon’s famous snide comment. We know Kiwis are well-balanced people. They have chips on both shoulders, especially where Australia is concerned. Cheers to all Kiwis living in Australia. Mu condolences to those still there. It’s a shame – I still have good friends in NZ.

John Galt III
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 4, 2020 5:41 am

What did New Zealand export in 2019?
New Zealand’s Top Exports in 2019:

14.2% ($5.65 billion): 0402 – Milk and cream, concentrated or containing added sugar or other sweetening matter.
6.51% ($2.57 billion): 0204 – Meat of sheep or goats, fresh, chilled or frozen.
5.82% ($2.3 billion): 0405 – Butter and other fats and oils derived from milk; dairy spreads.
5.75% ($2.27 billion): 4403 – Wood in the rough, whether or not stripped of bark or sapwood, or roughly squared.
5.23% ($2.07 billion): 0202 – Meat of bovine animals, frozen.
3.88% ($1.53 billion): 0810 – Other fruit, fresh.
3.43% ($1.35 billion): 1901 – Malt extract; food preparations of flour, groats, meal, starch or malt extract, not containing cocoa or containing less than 40 % by weight of cocoa calculated on a totally defatted basis, not elsewhere specified or included; food preparations of goods of headings 04.01 to 04.04, not containing cocoa or containing less than 5 % by weight of cocoa calculated on a totally defatted basis, not elsewhere specified or included.
3.35% ($1.32 billion): 0406 – Cheese and curd.
3.11% ($1.22 billion): 2204 – Wine of fresh grapes, including fortified wines; grape must other than that of heading 20.09.

Except ag products NZ makes Nothing.

pigs_in_space
December 2, 2020 10:36 am

Next thing she will be ordering earthquakes to stop, caused no doubt by carbon dioxide emissions..
Good luck with that idea.

Doesn’t NZ export a lot of lamb?
How do they feed them?
How do they transport the meat around the world?
Who/what transports the all blacks rugby team??

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  pigs_in_space
December 2, 2020 12:35 pm

NZ’s export of almost 6,000 cattle to a hungry Chinese population ended up a the bottom of the East China Sea on September 2nd. Insurance no doubt covered that financial loss though.

Graham
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 8:57 pm

Joel,
Al the crew perished when the livestock ship sailed into a tropical storm and capsized but it seems that there was little sympathy for the crew and all media attention focused on the cattle .
This goes to show how the media and commentators are extremely biased when there is more sympathy shown for cattle than humans .
I personally know veterinarians who have sailed on these ships to China and they assured me that the cattle are well cared for .They are all incalf heifers that is rising 2year old and I have sold some surplus heifers for export in past years and they are only average genetic animals as the top cattle are retained for herd replacements .
Graham

mikebartnz
Reply to  Graham
December 2, 2020 11:12 pm

I remember in California a number of years ago where a woman, with a husband and two kids, was out jogging and got killed by a cougar. They collected about $3,000 for the woman and $20,000 odd thousand for the cougar.

Gunga Din
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 5:21 pm

I remember that story. It was late ’90’s after a ballot issue in, where else, California banned cougar hunting.
She was jogging in a public park.
The $20,000 was for her cubs.
The surplus of cougars, aside from killing more people, also began to reduce the numbers of an endangered species. (I don’t remember which one.)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  pigs_in_space
December 2, 2020 1:53 pm

“pigs_in_space December 2, 2020 at 10:36 am”

A long time ago when I lived in Wellington, NZ, I was in a discussion with someone about earth quakes as there was a bit of a swarm over a few days. This person claimed that CO2 driven climate change CAUSED the swarm of quakes. I kid you not.

ResourceGuy
December 2, 2020 10:38 am

Let me know when they ban tourism, tourism advertising, tour boats, cruise ships, rental cars, fishing boats, and long distance airlines.

Pariah Dog
Reply to  ResourceGuy
December 2, 2020 11:10 am

As far as tourism goes they already have, effectively. The border is still shut to anyone who isn’t a Kiwi or Aussie, or residence class visa holder.

David Wolcott
Reply to  ResourceGuy
December 2, 2020 11:11 am

Actually, Ardern’s response to Covid-19 has banned tourism, cruise ships and long-distance airlines. Oddly, before Covid, tourism (especially eco-tourism) was promoted as our main earner, and people were telling farmers to do eco-tours and get rid of their belchy farty cows. Now, magically, our main export earner has disappeared with no effect on the economy, and we must all bow down to Saint Jacinda for saving us. Yeah right. I shudder to think about the cumulative economic effects in the coming years as we dial down the economy even further chasing carbon zero.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  David Wolcott
December 2, 2020 12:58 pm

It will be an orderly wind down with the best crumbs going to the unions.

John Robertson
December 2, 2020 10:39 am

Hell give them what they want.
Ban all exports,to NZ,of any carbon based products,materials made from oil and fossil fuelled production lines.
Stop the Oil Tankers supplying their transport needs.
And of course,since agriculture is the number one user of CO2 we cannot accept any imports of food from NZ,as all those products shamelessly(And very necessarily) consume CO2..
I surrender,give the virtue poseurs what they demand.

I am sure Jacinda will immediately stop using those refrigerated Ships and ban all sea going freight as the “Carbon Emissions” are too much to bear.

Forward.To the Glorious Future.
Now I wonder,did NZ’s last election use the wonders of computer sythesized voting?
Or did the cities of Auckland and Wellington just do their normal thing?

ResourceGuy
December 2, 2020 10:39 am

Is this the Wednesday emergency or the Thursday one?

David J Bufalo
December 2, 2020 10:46 am

There is nothing more fearful than ignorance in action.

Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 10:48 am

Guterres triples down with the climate stupidity and madness:
“The state of the planet is broken,” Guterres said in a speech at Columbia University. “Humanity is waging war on nature. This is suicidal.”
We truly are doomed if we can’t stop the worldwide Climate Madness.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 2:05 pm

Yep, except it’s not stupidity and madness. It’s all calculated by them.

Here’s the latest from Seth Goebbelstein:

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-climate-climate-change-paris-floods-d144cda34053abbd0758e22d9ff8f7c6

David J Bufalo
December 2, 2020 10:54 am

Wikipedia reports that in 2017 New Zealand accounted for 0.10% of the world’s CO2 emmisions. Just one tenth of one pecent.

TimBo
Reply to  David J Bufalo
December 2, 2020 11:22 am

The World or Human?
Humans produce at most 4% – So I take it you mean .1% of 4%

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  TimBo
December 2, 2020 3:03 pm

Exactly. 96% is natural. One wonders if the greentards know this.

Loydo
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
December 2, 2020 9:06 pm

There is an amusing irony here but I cant be bothered to be repeatedly pointing it out. Maybe Eric can chime in.

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 11:17 pm

Loy-dumb doesn’t know the facts…. as always.

Greentards never do. ! Ironic, isn’t it. !!

Graham
Reply to  David J Bufalo
December 2, 2020 11:27 pm

That is dead right David Buffalo and a large proportion is from enteric methane emissions that is a cycle that does not add one additional atom or molecule of methane or CO2 to the atmosphere over any 10 year time span .
Also land under grazed pastures are carbon sinks as humus builds up rapidly .
One of our next largest emissions is plantation logging of predominantly Pinus Radiata trees.
This is also a cycle and is in fact a carbon sink as timber used for construction would in many cases last at least 100 years and we take at least 3 rotations off in that time as our trees are harvested every 28 to 30 years .
70% 0f the logging is exported as logs or sawn timber yet it is still counted as our emissions under the Paris Climate Treaty .
Nobody in the government wants to know and they don’t care as they just say those are the rules.
The whole climate treaty should be clinically looked at and all this nonsense should be exposed as it defies logic .
Then we come to fossil fuel extraction and use which is what the original global warming was about.
How many of you readers know how much coal was mined in 2008 ? 4.7 billion tonnes .
How much coal was mined in 2018 ? 8.2 billion tonnes.
How much C02 does 8.2 billion tonnes of coal release when combusted ? 22 billion tonnes .
Plus a large amount of methane and it is all NEW not recycled like enteric methane and plantation forestry .
Of course this Climate Emergency announcement s a futile gesture and really only virtue signalling but the government and the Green parties supporters live mainly in the cities and most of them have little idea how their food is grown and gets onto the supermarket shelves .
If the New Zealand’s emission profile was calculated scientifically instead of using a political formula that is unscientific to be polite New Zealands emission profile would be among the lowest in the world for developed countries .
As has been stated earlier on this blog a very big proportion of our electricity is from hydro and with very good control wind power can be used by turning hydro stations up and down as the wind blows and ebbs .
Graham

Steve Case
December 2, 2020 10:54 am

Must why they are cutting down all their trees.

Peter F Gill
December 2, 2020 10:59 am

Some 40 to 50m years ago I considered that New Zealanders were quite sensible and inventive. I remember them asking for a proposal on how to use some of the extremely low ash coal in the Buller field to produce Soderberg electrodes for aluminium production. We didn’t get the job. I have now heard that there are a lot of sheep in New Zealand. With that sort of population I am not surprised at the new climate policy which when conflated with Covid-19 will have a tremendous effect for many. What a noble approach and by a PM who should she ever lose her job could immediately find one advertising toothpaste.

shrnfr
Reply to  Peter F Gill
December 2, 2020 11:27 am

Either that or as a horse. I will leave it up to you to decide which end of the horse she could be employed as. Either one has something to commend it.

MarkG
Reply to  Peter F Gill
December 2, 2020 5:38 pm

I worked with several New Zealanders when I lived in the UK. I get the impression that, like the UK, it’s a country whose most valuable export is smart kids, many of whom leave as soon as they can.

mikebartnz
Reply to  MarkG
December 2, 2020 11:32 pm

It is usually just the big OE and they return home but some do stay longer but that isn’t as easy as it once was.

Garry Anderson
Reply to  Peter F Gill
December 3, 2020 4:13 pm

love it Peter.
Yes makes me sad as a kiwi that we have such scientifically illiterate politicians who all seemed to have have drunk the kool-aid.

john rattray
December 2, 2020 10:59 am

A smokescreen to ignore the newly re-elected governments failure to address:
– a housing crises with New Zealand having some of the highest prices for houses in the world (in relation to income). This flows on into rents.
– a child poverty crises with about 1/3rd of children not having access to things like shoes and vegetables;
– an education crises with a large % of children leaving school unable to read enough to understand a dole form and too innumerate to be able to budget;
– an environmental crises with feral animals such as possums and stoats plundering the NZ bush and Kauri die back disease destroying the iconic trees.

I could go on and on but you get the picture.

fred250
Reply to  john rattray
December 2, 2020 12:08 pm

NZ-zuela !

A socialist states end point.. ALWAYS.

Capitalism strives to achieve.

Socialism strives NOT to.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  fred250
December 3, 2020 1:14 am

Better: capitalism encourages equal opportunities (but you have to be astute and work your socks off); socialism strives for equal outcomes, thereby levelling at the bottom of the ladder.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  john rattray
December 2, 2020 5:51 pm

“john rattray December 2, 2020 at 10:59 am

– a child poverty crises with about 1/3rd of children not having access to things like shoes and vegetables;”

Not only poverty but abuse. Remember Lillybing tortured by her careers and mother (Cigarette burns)? And Coral who was killed by her stepfather who had 88 previous convictions for physical abuse (She would be 26 or 27 now)?

Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 11:11 am

The steady March to Totalitarianism across Western democracies continue.
More conditioning a free people to gradually accept more and more control of their personal lives and loss of liberty in the name of “safety.” At least for a viral epidemic, people can see an end to these declarations. But with a scam “climate emergency”, when would that end? 2050? 2100? Probably never. Relinquishing the political power it gives these pretty faced despots will only when they find themselves kneeling at the guillotine. And the Kiwis have just given up their one means to affect that.

Dementia Joe is going to come under these same pressures here in the US from his radical Leftists to impose a similar “Climate Emergency” declaration once he takes office. And if he doesn’t do it, then Kammie the Commie will when she does the #25A coup on her senile boss.

““There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”

– 1984 by George Orwell.

n.n
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 11:57 am

Yes, invariably, inevitably, progress (i.e. unqualified monotonic change): one step forward, two steps backward. That said, it appears that leftists are attempting to impeach Trump, again… and again, and again, but the threats of retributive change are not limited to him. I wonder if they will accept protection payments a la Bezos and wife to the Green and diversity (e.g. Some, Select Black Lives Matter) rackets, respectively.

Loydo
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 12:07 pm

Are there any leaders around the world you actually do admire? You seem to lump them all into the same basket.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 12:47 pm

yes. Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.
A few other Republican governors deserve an honorable mention, DeSantis of FL, Abbott of TX. I think VP Mike Pence would be a great US President. President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil also deserves a mention.
I don’t admire Trump at all, his egotistical ways are off-putting. But I’m a strong supporter of Trump only because the Democrats today only offer a path to socialism and despair. Trump is the only Republican so far on the national stage willing to go toe-to-toe and call the lackey media out for their alignment with that socialism and their War on the American middle class.

Simon
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 6:56 pm

Joel O’Bryan
“yes. Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota.”
That will be the same Kristi Noem whose state has the second highest cases of Covid per capita in the US. Yeah she’s a peach alright. Really cares for the well being of her people.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 3:18 am

Coming from you who was shocked by a travel ban. You are a moron.

Bryan A
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 6:50 am

I wonder which state will acquire CoVid Herd Immunity first??

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 2, 2020 12:17 pm

DDR lasted 40 years and ended in 1989 because the people there had suffered enough.

If we, the common people, do not wake up (denounce woke) and actively resist, then we may also suffer 40 years of what George Orwell so eloquently describes above.

bonbon
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 3, 2020 1:03 am

Joe tripped up on the steady march, with fractures.
The dog is not a suspect as he voted Dem.

jorgekafkazar
December 2, 2020 11:15 am

The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.

Mr.
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
December 2, 2020 11:44 am

I was thinking more along the lines of “relevance deprivation syndrome”

mikebartnz
December 2, 2020 11:25 am

She is claiming that the GOVERNMENT will be carbon neutral by 2025. People please learn to read and comprehend.
Yet more piss and wind from old horse face. She will have to close the Beehive.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 2, 2020 1:10 pm

Thanks, I was scrolling down to see if anyone else caught that–and the fact that a carbon neutral government probably means nothing more than some new lighting in the government buildings, electric cars for the employee travel, and purchase of carbon credits. It is really just a nothing dressed up as an important “emergency” press release.

Ken Methven
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
December 2, 2020 6:45 pm

Indeed, I have noticed that this government’s most frequently used technique is ‘announcement’, following by moving on to other announcements.

Brian Dingwall
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 2, 2020 2:19 pm

What she is admnitting but not directly saying is that this Government intends, in addition to direct action, to use taxpayer money to purchase “offsets” to achieve “carbon” neutrality.
Apparently that is a more urgent priority for this Government than health, education, housing, poverty, and even just maintaining public assets, all of which are seriously, very seriously, in need of attention and increased funding (or vastly more efficient application of existing funds).

Patrick MJD
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 2, 2020 6:06 pm

Yes I noted that too. In Wellington, if you don’t work for Govn’t, you don’t work.

Zigmaster
December 2, 2020 11:28 am

Until Jacinta orders the culling of New Zealand’s entire herd of cows , sheep and pigs ( especially the cows) she is not being fair dinkum about this zero carbon commitment.

n.n
Reply to  Zigmaster
December 2, 2020 11:47 am

And Planned Population, including Planned Parenthood (i.e. selective-child, cannibalized-child), to reduce “burdens”, sequester excess carbon-based lives, normalize social progress and justice, and securea taxable feminine female commodity.

Graham
Reply to  Zigmaster
December 3, 2020 12:00 am

Zigmaster .
Read read what I have written earlier.
Farmed livestock do not produce one additional atom or molecule containing carbon .
All fodder consumed by livestock has absorbed CO2 and the small amount of methane emitted breaks down in the upper atmosphere into CO2 and water vapour in 8 to 12 years .
The process is a cycle and a cycle cannot increase the amount of CO2 or CH4 in the atmosphere.
Never in a thousand years .
The only way that mankind can increase the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is by extracting coal oil and gas and limestone for cement manufacture .
Every thing else is a cycle and should never have been included in any climate treaty .
The culling that needs to be done is the bull s#it that activists introduced at the Kyoto climate meeting and the stupid political driven IPCC adopted without any scientific scrutiny .
I welcome any one that can try and put up arguments to the contrary .
Graham

Erny72
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 4:59 am

Graham,
And where did the carbon in coal, oil and limestone come from? Those are also cycles, but their timescales are geological. In that context, atmospheric [CO2] has been constantly falling as atmospheric carbon (in the form of CO2) is captured by trees and critters and sequestered geologically when they die and are buried.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Erny72
December 3, 2020 10:09 am

So true, Erny72. Early in the 20th century the planet had sequestered so much of the free, life giving CO2, it had become dangerously low. Fortunately it began to increase to a viable concentration for plants to thrive well.

Graham
Reply to  Erny72
December 3, 2020 10:44 am

Erny72.
I have no argument with what you have written but politicians have to understand 8 to 10 year cycles and then comprehend 30 year cycles before we try educating them on what happened millions of years ago .
It is an uphill battle as science has been abandoned and ideology has taken over .
There is NO climate emergency .
Mankind has no control over the climate and some time in the future historians will ponder how did these stupid ideas ever come to be passed into law in parliaments around the globe.
Graham

Neo
December 2, 2020 11:31 am

Otter: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!

Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.

Jimbob
December 2, 2020 11:40 am

Welcome to woke New Zealand … oh the embarrassment for the rest of us Kiwis !! But then Jacinda and the rest of her cabal of warm fuzzies embalmed in the righteous virtue signalling (sounds good but what the heck does it mean? roll on to the next election)

Murph
Reply to  Jimbob
December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

Yes, and hope NZ wont have any suspect computer voting systems next elections.

n.n
December 2, 2020 11:44 am

Let me guess: carbon offsets, right?

Bill Treuren
December 2, 2020 11:47 am

My issue is not with the daft intent its the dishonesty.

If you use electric cars then the honest would consider the full cycle CO2 emissions not the headline lie that they are “carbon free” they are not.
We NZ are desperate for the Aluminum smelter to close but the production will now be 100% coal fired production elsewhere so our virtue signaling will result in CO2 emissions rising globally. Does she know this? Its possible she is so stupid that she doesn’t or alternatively there is dishonesty at play. Or a combination is also possible.

Jeff Labute
December 2, 2020 11:52 am

Not sure what carbon neutral (NET zero) means these days. So, NZ will continue on with their agricultural, forestry, and mining industries, and offset that by planting trees? Keep going until island is full of trees, then declare another emergency, like forest fires?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Jeff Labute
December 2, 2020 4:08 pm

Offsetting is simply a feel good way of ignoring the problem.

“I flew around the world, but that is okay, cause I offset by funding tree planting. Ya me!”

If planting trees was important then you could just plant the trees anyway.

Remember, when you murder someone you are not forgiven if you ‘offset’ by having a baby. The murder still exists.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 5:39 pm

I’m an international hit man … but that’s OK because I donate to sperm banks whenever I can.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 11:30 pm

Reminds me of a joke years ago about Northern Ireland but I won’t tell it here because some may not see the humour in it.

Retired_Engineer_JIm
December 2, 2020 11:56 am

I’m sure that the NZ government (any government, for that matter) will “get it right”.

RStabb
December 2, 2020 11:58 am

The green menace is spreading like the China virus.

n.n
Reply to  RStabb
December 2, 2020 4:30 pm

A veritable blight.

Walter Sobchak
December 2, 2020 12:02 pm

So, are they going to kill all the sheep?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 2, 2020 12:36 pm

They will wait with the end of the sheep, until they see how it is going for Denmark and their mass extinction of their minks.

Murph
December 2, 2020 12:02 pm

Jacinda is gearing up to increase taxes again, hence her nickname Taxinda. She has shown a terrible left leaning when in a speech before becoming Prime Minister she used the word comrade a dozen or so times. Her record on eliminating child poverty in NZ has been a total failure over her last four years, not improving the problem one iota yet she has not declared a child poverty emergency.

Loydo
December 2, 2020 12:05 pm

WUWT smear factory, southern division, cranks out another hate piece and just look at the nastiness and bile and the barely concealed fear.

leowaj
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 12:55 pm

Loydo, thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned response. I was convinced by the argument you made that New Zealand has developed a new, never-before-seen technology for mitigating CO2 while doing it at a low cost to NZ taxpayers. I was also convinced by your presentation of evidence that an undeniable majority of NZ citizens are willing to sacrifice economic function to in order to significantly reduce NZ’s CO2 output. You’ve convinced me that it’s the citizens of NZ who are driving their nation as opposed to peevish bureaucrats spinning the cogs of a great machine in a swamp to their own benefit.

Oh wait. You didn’t do that at all.

Loydo
Reply to  leowaj
December 2, 2020 2:51 pm

Inded, indeed. But you you’re happy to watch this one go through to the keeper –
“New Zealand does not manufacture much, decades of radical environmentalism have taken a toll.”

Chris Morris
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 3:46 pm

Unfortunately for you Loydo, that comment you complain about is true. And I live here and work in industry. A lot of our cement is sourced from overseas because the factories we had were too expensive to keep operating. Many manufacturing plants have been offshored, with a big cause of that being the problem that getting new plant through the RMA (Resource Management Act) process is too expensive, takes too long and the result is a lottery. They can’t dredge or deepen harbours so ship size is limited. They can’t restring transmission lines without a consent so the grid is stretched to the limit in many places. A lot of timber is exported as logs – several mills have not been able to be built. There have been a number of hydro projects stopped because of RMA losses. The most recent was a 20MW on the Waitaha because it would partially dewater one canyon that one canoe party had partially paddled. Because Glenbrook uses coal, that may stop most of our steel production when its consent comes up for renewal in a few years time. I could go on, but that would be tedious.
I await your counter with actual examples that it is not the case.

Loydo
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 6:48 pm

I’d argue there are one or two long bows there Chris but you make some fair points. Happy to listen to a first hand perspective.

Leon de Boer
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 8:05 pm

The humor is China is finalizing it’s 14th economic, energy and electric power Five Year Plan (2021–2025). The minimum number of coal power stations being floated is 1,300GW up from 1000GW it was supposed to peak at and there is push to make it higher.

Chris Morris
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 8:14 pm

Loydo I gave examples of industries where radical environmentalism has closed. That is what you doubted. Another example, which fortunately they couldn’t kill was metallurgical coal up on the Stockton plateau. The greenies said there was a carnivorous snail up there and only there and only 500 specimens were left. The coal company at great expense collected over 6000 (at a cost of about $8000 a snail) from a small area before they stopped. These were given to the Department of Conservation for safekeeping to be relocated or returned after the land was replanted. DoC then killed a lot of them in a storage accident.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doc-staff-upset-mishap-killed-rare-snails/KMVUPMZNRVIOFFWHPMPLZDAVWE/

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 2, 2020 9:00 pm

“Chris Morris December 2, 2020 at 3:46 pm

Many manufacturing plants have been offshored, with a big cause of that being the problem that getting new plant through the RMA (Resource Management Act).

Good lord, yes the RMA, an effective strangle on ANYTHING. Private land, public transport, building, EVERYTHING.

fred250
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 3, 2020 3:13 am

I’d argue that loy doesn’t have bow

…. nor any arrows to go with it.

Constantly firing BLANKS with a fantasy bow and arrow.

leowaj
Reply to  Chris Morris
December 3, 2020 8:27 am

A couple of times over the last decade I was seriously looking to immigrate to New Zealand but in the last couple of years as RMA has effectively strangled development of everything, I have reconsidered. Then Ardern became PM and it got worse.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 1:32 pm

Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Climate Alarmists richly deserve all the sarcasm, ridicule, and mockery that they get, because of all their lies and sheer stupidity.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 2:45 pm

Lets not forget absolute arrogance.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 2, 2020 3:12 pm

I also love the way he uses words like ‘fear’ and ‘hate’ – which are pure projection – pretty much the entire message on this board is ‘you don’t have to be afraid, and stop listening to those who are’. What Loydo misinterprets as fear and hate is actually well-justified anger and outrage.

And right now, I’m trying to think of even one public statement by a progressive in the last four and half years that wasn’t based entirely on fear, hate, nastiness, and bile.

Anybody?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 10:09 pm

When Nancy Pelosi said that she was praying for Donald Trump! (Did she ever reveal the content of those prayers?)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:24 pm

Ardern, and all New Zealanders who voted her into office are deserving of every last piece of derision and opprobrium sensible people can fling at her and those like her. Socialism does not work, nor ever can work. Pretending that there is some new method to pick up a turd by the clean end merely demonstrates stupidity and willful ignorance.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 6:50 pm

The solution to failed Socialism is always more Socialism.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
December 4, 2020 12:43 am

The solution to failed Socialism is Other People’s Money.

But eventually even that runs out.

Graham
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:44 am

Well said Rory Forbes.
Countries deserve the government that they elect .
Every thing that happened in New Zealand helped Ardern .
The Mosque shooting in Christchurch by an Australian and then Covid19 .
The Prime Minister was on TV every day at 1pm during our lockdown speaking about number of case and the 25 people who died from the virus .
She had a captive audience and she became a saint in so many peoples eyes .
There was never any doubt that the majority of the population would vote for her and her party.
This all came about because at the last election in 2017 the New Zealand First Party held the balance and should have formed a government with the National Party that had the most members elected .
The New Zealand First Party was annihilated in the 2020 election and rightly so as those that had strategically voted for them were disgusted with them.
If NZ First had teamed up with National things would have been quite different but that is now history .

mikebartnz
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 1:24 am

You have got to remember that Jenny Shitley shat on NZ first from a great height and that is probably why Winston chose not to go with National, so National only have themselves to blame for that.
What I would like to know is did she ever pay the taxpayer back for the alterations on her house when she created her electorate office there?
Would you want to be stabbed in the back twice?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 9:40 am

You’re right, this Chinese disease and subsequent lock-down was the greatest asset the Left had to consolidate their advances toward their agenda.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:33 pm

Have the nasty men at WUWT hurt your feelings again, Loydo?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Graemethecat
December 2, 2020 2:55 pm

Well, he likes to provoke the board and then pretend to cry about being mistreated when he gets the expected response. Typical progressive.

Loydo
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 6:44 pm

No, just observing the patterns here. Ignore AGW, villify anyone who doesn’t. Old, white men seem to find strong, young females especially terrifying. They act like victims backed into a corner; all us vs them, distraught, as the world spins off onto some incomprehenisble orbit where their entitled power and stature is stipped away – like an unruly grandpa being told to bathe.

“Typical progressive” is a good example. Do you actually think there is such a pidgeon-hole that half the population (more like the vast majority in your case) neatly occupy? – with homogenous values, political affiliations, moral compass, spirtual beleifs and world view? It’s ludicrous, but from your vantage point crouched in a corner, where it must look like the whole world is against you, fear does strange things.
For WUWT and Eric, attacking Ardern and then gleefuly sitting back and watching while all the crazies come out and call her names is a no-brainer, itg’s de rigueur.

“…one public statement by a progressive…” Read a few of Ardern’s speeches and come back with a quote or two to back up your claim. Perhaps you might start with her responses to the Christchurch massacre. She’s cente-left, but I guess anything to the left of Genghis Khan fits.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 10:34 pm

One aspect about women and their performance on a job (as contrasted with men) is that they pay more attention to detail, and more closely follow the “letter of the law.” Men tend to be more generalized, forgiving, and willing to make exceptions in their approach.

Yes I know this is a generalization, and many cases can be pointed to that exhibit the contrary; but now almost halfway through my 8th decade of life, this is just my personal observation and experience.

Translation: I don’t ‘fear’ Joe’s policies as much as I ‘fear’ Kamala’s policies; and with Joe being the weaker person in this situation, yes, there is reason for conservatives to be concerned about their freedoms being curtailed.

(Aren’t we all tired of not being able to go to a restaurant; go to the gym; go to the theatre; go on a short overnight trip; etc. etc. because the hospitality and entertainment industries are barely functional — particularly in states governed by democrats.)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 10:45 pm

Committed by an Australian.

sycomputing
Reply to  Loydo
December 3, 2020 3:29 pm

Ignore AGW, villify anyone who doesn’t.

At the most viewed blog in the WORLD on climate change???

Good grief man.

Graham
Reply to  Loydo
December 3, 2020 8:49 pm

Loydo and Simon ,
Have you ever heard the phrase” useful idiots “?
You might even begin to doubt the nonsense that most of the main stream media constantly churn out by reading some of the blogs on this site .
Global warming as this was first known has been hijacked by activists .
You don’t believe that do you ?
Why is there so much noise about less than one degree Celsius warming around the globe when there is proof that the earths climate has been warmer than present three times in the last 10, 000 years .
Every thing is exaggerated like a photo of the Statue of Liberty under water and many other examples come to mind .
Why would activists and politicians include methane from farmed animals as emissions .
Why else would the same people include the harvesting of plantation forests as a countries emissions ,
I can tell you why Simon and Loydo to scare the useful idiots like you two so that you troll on this and other sites that are putting forward an alternative case against the glowbull scam which is creating untold harm around the world .

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Graham
December 3, 2020 9:07 pm

I might add, Graham, this planet has been steadily COOLING since the Holocene Optimum ~ 10,000 years ago. We’re now merely warming a little, since the Little Ice Age (the coldest period since the Holocene Optimum). It’s not warming we Earthlings need to fear. This interglacial period is already older than average. We need to fear the next ice age. Changing this planet’s climates is not within our power.

fred250
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 11:34 pm

Loy-dumb is more a comedian than anything else.

Always attempting to climb to village idiot level.

An ultra-leftist who can’t abide anyone to the right of Genghis Khan commenting about the totalitarian marxist/facist/socialism that he so want to live under.

Doesn’t realise that he will STILL be at he bottom of the human ladder.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 2:44 pm

I’m sorry, you insipid little twerp, if we don’t adhere to your cowardice, bile and nastiness – you’re the smartass who shows up here every single day to piss people off as much as you can.

Progressives pretty much got the monopoly on smears. Your post is one.

Simon
Reply to  Joel Snider
December 2, 2020 7:28 pm

Me thinks Joel Snide is rather upset that King tRump is going down in a slow but permanent fashion. Humiliated on a daily basis by a man older than him. That must hurt. And it must hurt a whole lot more if you believe the nonsense tRump and his team spew about the election being rigged. Yeah and while it is only credible to the gullible, clearly there are enough for tRump to latch on to.

So what do he and other tRump disciples do? They distract by trying to ridicule another world leader. They pick one who is the polar opposite of their man-boy. A young woman. One with principles, who is able to articulate them in an intelligent way. One who won an election by a landslide and enjoys almost unprecedented support across the country. One who because of her quick and strategic actions saved her country from suffering the tragic deaths of thousands from covid. One who is able to lead by uniting, not by dividing. One who can talk to people of varying races and who doesn’t mock people’s disabilities. One who admits her short comings, but tries to learn from them. Every thing man-boy tRump isn’t. Owch, owch owch.

But if you think about it, Adern did what tRumps supporters crow that he does. She did what she said she would do before the election. So while they think he is some sort of strong leader because he does what he says he will do. She is just a silly leftist female with crazy ideals ruining the country. Well I got news for you, kiwis are a whole lot happier and better placed than the mess the US finds itself in. Here’s some free advice. Maybe take a look at your leader of the last four years before you try to mock one from another country, because on every metric, Adern kicks his wobbly arse. Just saying.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2020 11:21 pm

Horse face has done very little you pathetic prat, just opens her mouth and makes another announcement. She has done nothing to make NZ a better and more viable place to live. You just had to show more Trump hating spiel.

Simon
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 12:58 am

“Horse face”… classy. Clearly you get your put down wit from watching tRump.

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 1:35 am

Simon you made out you were from NZ but I don’t believe you are as you wouldn’t have such a pathetic hatred of Trump as you do.
You can try and insult me as much as you like but it will have no effect as I have absolutely no respect for you. I only respect someone’s opinion if I respect them and you have definitely failed that.

mikebartnz
Reply to  mikebartnz
December 3, 2020 2:49 am

Simon. Also you say I am classy for calling Jacinda Horse face and yet you call Trump tRump. Is there a possibility that you are a two faced git? Just wondering if you are at all self aware because it certainly doesn’t appear so.

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
December 2, 2020 11:22 pm

loy-dumb empty mouthing.. cranks out another chihuahua brained load of mindless yapping

Look at his/her/its delusion and self-hatred..

Poor low-life loy !

Simon
Reply to  fred250
December 3, 2020 3:30 pm

Fred
Some advice. Don’t drink and comment. You end up trolling the wrong person. Remember I’m the other guy who sends your heart a flutter.

Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 12:22 pm

Either Jacinda has no idea what “carbon-neutral” means or she’s just another typical Marxist airhead, posturing to the useful idiots and true believers who lap up all manner of politicized nonsense as though it was actually scientific fact. New Zealand will be reduced to a third world cinder, up to its eyeballs in debt to China, before they start to see the light … if ever.

MarkG
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2020 6:07 pm

New Zealand will be reduced to the place where the CCP have their dachas safely away from the proles, living in pretty countryside with beaches and skiing nearby.

The existing New Zealanders will have to be relocated first, of course.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkG
December 2, 2020 6:31 pm

I expect that’s exactly what will happen if things don’t begin to take a ‘right turn’ in the near future. What I find amusing is; useful idiots like Jacinda always believe the communist overlords will include them in the spoils … and it never does. They’re always the first to be “disappeared”. Such people also believe in the precautionary principle fallacy, as well.

DonM
December 2, 2020 12:43 pm

If we give her the benefit of the doubt and play along with “there is a climate emergency” (which there really isn’t), the next step in logic is “what do I do about it?”

She will be (exaggerating about) tilting at CO2 windmills … and there will be NO “carbon neutral”.

I am going to put on my shoes, and go home, to walk the dogs on this sunny day. My actions will have just as impressive of a (positive) impact on the climate emergency as do her actions.

EVERYONE that sees or talks to a stupid person needs to tell them, early on, that you recognize their stupidity. Otherwise they might gain confidence and end up as the PM of New Zealand or President of USA.

Mr.
Reply to  DonM
December 2, 2020 2:34 pm

Thanks DonM.
I often wonder whether the Arderns of the world have that little voice in their heads (as most rational adults do) that asks them just before they say something – “are you sure what you’re about to say isn’t really nonsensical?)

Rud Istvan
December 2, 2020 12:44 pm

Great. Now we can add NZ to the UK and California as leading examples of intentional societal suicide over the next decade.

Unworkable ‘solutions’ to imaginary problems.
Don’t live in any of those places, so fun to watch from afar.

HAS
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 2, 2020 10:08 pm

Actually we’ll happily come through it all relatively unscathed. This government largely consists of political junkies and union officials and have zip track record in actually doing stuff. Three years from now the hurt will be showing and pragmatic kiwis will move on.

Personally I’m more worried about the good old US of A. You can do stuff ups at scale.

max
December 2, 2020 1:07 pm

” I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture…
– Animal House

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

The rugger world better starts looking for new champions. In 5 years time the All Blacks are not allowed to fly anywhere.

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 4, 2020 2:45 am

I think you’ll find the Springboks have done that already

Stephen Skinner
December 2, 2020 1:21 pm

“Speaking in parliament after its introduction, Ardern said the country must “act with urgency”
This is what Lufthansa has to say to pilots about acting on impulse (urgency) “The chance of saving the day by spontaneous reaction is extremely remote. The chance of catapulting yourself into deepest trouble is very high.”

James
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 6:52 am

Funny you mention that! I watch a Air Crash Investigation type show last night about the first ever 747 hull loss incident. If they had fire walled the throttles they probably would have kept the plane flying and been okay. They tried to take off without the leading edge flaps down, and the plan did not fly to good. They had been using a reduced power setting as the plane was not fully loaded.

Denis Purdy
December 2, 2020 1:26 pm

I have already made this comment on Twitter in relation another of Jacinda Adern’s stupidities.

I am a 63 years old New Zealander and I can remember NZ governments back to the mid 60s. Jacinda Adern is the dumbest Prime Minister in the dumbest government of my lifetime. She/they out stupid the Muldoon government of the early 80s which is something that I would not have thought possible 5 years ago.

Ian Cooper
Reply to  Denis Purdy
December 3, 2020 12:52 pm

Denis, I am the same age with the same thoughts. The New Zealand public has a lot to do with this though. Look at the landslide swings of the 70’s. First Labour, then National. The desire to get rid of Muldoon after 9 years led to another Labour landslide in ’84. The problem was that the charming David Lange was not really the leader. “Rogernomics” as it was called, was considered a necessary evil and we had to suffer some pain in order to gain (we are still waiting BTW). Roger Douglas & co through out the baby with the bath water. Not every institution needed casting to the wind. Major assets paid for by the taxpayer were sold cheaply, and later bought back at a higher price after they had been asset stripped!
We got rid of Rogernomics in the late 80’s only to be inflicted by “Ruthless Ruth Richardson” as minister of finance, followed by the advent of “Queen Shipley” who back stabbed her way to the top. The 21st century brought us 9 years of of the perennial “Aunty Helen Clark” and the nanny state, followed by nearly 9 years of the smarmy John Key.

The wheeling & dealing at each election since 1996 and the arrival of MMP has meant that we often don’t know the final result for many weeks after the election. The promises made by this current government & our ‘beloved leader,’ aren’t worth the toilet paper they are written on. This last election showed just how naive & gullible many Kiwi voters are. Those who supposedly thought that a vote for Labour would keep the Greens out of power forgot or didn’t realise that many in Labour who wear a red coat have a green T-Shirt on underneath. Unfortunately this is also true of the National Party (look at failed leader Todd Muellers beliefs).

Kiwis need to stop listening and watching the lame-stream media. Get of their backsides and dig into the BS they are being fed at national & local level politics! Challenge anyone in authority, don’t take their word for anything!

otzar
December 2, 2020 1:29 pm

Do the sheep get to vote in NZ?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  otzar
December 2, 2020 2:13 pm

“Do the sheep get to vote in NZ?”

Apparently they do, judging by the results of the last election. Why shouldn’t they? I mean 10s … maybe 100s of thousands of dead people voted with no trouble in the US.

Carbon500
December 2, 2020 1:37 pm

Rud Istvan: agreed entirely. I live in the UK, I’m 72 years old, and I’ve lived here for all of those years. I look on with amazement at the nonsense declarations regarding making this country ‘carbon neutral’.
Here’s Met Office data on temperature, rainfall, and sunshine for various parts of the UK going back for something like a 100 years. Does any of this look like a changing climate, or a climate emergency? Of course not!
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-temperature-rainfall-and-sunshine-time-series

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Carbon500
December 2, 2020 2:43 pm

The UK’s climate hasn’t changed. Occasionally we have polar, occasionally we have tropical, mostly we have temperate. I think it’s an Atlantic climate within that we sometimes have droughts, and sometimes floods. The Arctic is still a polar climate, it is not any of the other climates especially tropical. The Sahara is still arid in a sub-tropical zone and is not Polar and the Amazon is still tropical and is not polar or arid. I’m not seeing ANY climate change.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 2, 2020 5:31 pm

The term “climate change” itself is an example of the fallacy of equivocation (appeal to ambiguity. Change is the default condition of all climates … some have short term variation while others have not changed in centuries or even millennia. However, this planet has no climate that makes any kind f sense. There are only so many variables subject to averaging rationally. In other words, “climate change” is meaningless in any practical sense.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:26 am

Thanks for that as I hadn’t heard of the “fallacy of equivocation”. And it’s always ‘climate change’ as a singular: ‘save the earth’s climate’ and other such non existent nonsense. Many people live at the boundaries between climate zones and do not understand that they are not geological and will therefore shift. But more depressingly some have no idea of the huge amount of time stretching back where the earth has gone through enormous changes and instead they have an infantile view that the earth’s singular climate has always been the same since humans have been around. A little knowledge IS dangerous.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 9:53 am

You’ll also notice that many of their arguments are in the form of fallacies … from ad hominem to shifting the goal posts are ad populum and straw men. “Climate change” is also a tautology, which in logic is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation, but because it is used as a logical fallacy, they’ve set up a paradox … both a false argument and a perfect argument. Naturally people default to it being true. It’s very clever.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2020 12:52 pm

Thanks Rory.
I’m just reading through ‘Covid-19: The Great Reset’. It is an alarming read and not in the way the authors intended. They assert many things as if they are true and already exist.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 1:52 pm

Much of this appears like pages right out of 1984. We were softened up with the AIDS “epidemic” that never was, with 24/7 media hype that the entire world were in danger of catching a disease that required intense, repeated contact and the exchange of bodily fluids. That was followed by the entirely invented scare of second hand smoke. Then came AGW, followed by “climate change”. By the time the CCP disease was released, people simple bent over and spread their cheeks … bleating “me too, me too.”

If these issues were required to produce the standard of proof demanded in civil law, the judge would throw the case out of court for lack of evidence. Of the “great emergencies” I listed above, not one rises to the standard of: “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
December 3, 2020 4:36 pm

“Rory Forbes December 3, 2020 at 1:52 pm

That was followed by the entirely invented scare of second hand smoke.”

There is evidence to support the effects of second hand smoke. Example, Roy Castle, before he became a TV presenter on a show called Record Breakers in the UK, he was a trumpeter in a band. For many years he played in pubs, clubs and venues at a time when smoking was not banned in such places. He died of lung cancer.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 3, 2020 8:48 pm

Apart from the fact that relying on anecdotal “evidence” is far from compelling the common fallacy known as ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ is why your example is not evidence. Millions of smokers did not die from lung cancer and 100s of millions of people exposed to 2nd hand smoke didn’t die from lung cancer. When you make assertions, always test your statement against possible fallacies.

Note: It is logical fallacies that support almost every piece of “climate change” propaganda … from the 97% “consensus” to the equivocal term “climate change”. That doesn’t even include simply bad science, as the 2nd smoke scam is. SHS has a relative risk less than 1 to 1. It’s statistical fancy.

Mr.
Reply to  Carbon500
December 2, 2020 2:44 pm

Thanks Carbon500.
I see that bugger all has changed in Scotland’s max daily temp in that 100 years or so (0.4C?)
Which just goes to support that basic observation that if an increase of 0.4 C in your local temp over 100 years makes you uncomfortable, just move to a spot ~ 25 miles North (if you live in the Northern Hemisphere).

December 2, 2020 1:43 pm

New Zealanders are simple folk without intellectual ambitions, which is why so many of them are now living in Australia. This is why the elected their present Prime Minister. New Zealand will now be left to moulder quietly behind its Long White Cloud.

HAS
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 2, 2020 10:12 pm

And I think you are obviously getting by on your good looks.

I trust you are smart enough that I don’t need to explain.

Simon
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 2, 2020 11:25 pm

nicholas tesdorf
“New Zealanders are simple folk without intellectual ambitions, which is why so many of them are now living in Australia. ”
I don’t think you are getting the sharpest and best. They say the IQ of both countries goes up every time a kiwi leaves for Australia.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 12:15 am

No! That was “Piggy” Muldoon who first coined that phrase. And he was an arrogant tw@t just like Peters.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2020 3:16 am

says simple simon, of the single digit IQ.

stinkerp
December 2, 2020 1:46 pm

It is stunning how many people completely, unquestioningly embrace the biggest hoax of the 21st century. There is no “climate emergency”. There is only slow, benign warming with no measurable negative consequences except, possibly, sea level rise, which incidentally is STILL 4 to 6 meters lower than it was during the warmest era of the prior interglacial 125,000 years ago and not likely to get there for another 3,000 years or so at the current rate. Astonishing ignorance welded to unassailable sanctimoniousness.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  stinkerp
December 2, 2020 2:20 pm

stinkerp
December 2, 2020 at 1:46 pm

Quite right. But you don’t have to go back that far. Here where I live on NZ’s North Island you can clearly see terraces and beach strand lines that were formed only 6000 years ago when the sea was about 2m higher than now.

I blame the lack of science teaching in our school system for decades. No critical thinking, just being led like sheep to the nearest cliff.

Rod Evans
December 2, 2020 1:48 pm

One of the most amazing feature of NZ is the ownership of boats big boats trailered to launching docks pulled by big pickups. Tractors also play a part in launching. Can’t see how any of that will be done without fossil fuels by 2025. Also if anyone has driven on the NZ roads they know timber lorries pulling massive trailers all powered by big American rigs are common place.
I can’t see any of that happening without fossil fuels either.
Such misplaced left wing nonsense trying to ruin a great country. I fear the virtue signalling greens may succeed in destroying all that is core NZ culture.

James
Reply to  Rod Evans
December 3, 2020 6:49 am

The Tesla Vaporizing Truck should work fine for that! Just do not go into water deeper than 3 ” as you will short out the electric motors! Reserve yours now! Just send 1000 dollar deposit made out to “Keep Tesla solvent for another year!” to Elon Musk, Commiefornia!

leitmotif
December 2, 2020 2:01 pm

Jacinda Ardern calls climate emergency 26 months after IPCC report.

Must have finally found a political use for it.

u.k.(us)
December 2, 2020 2:16 pm

“Climate Emergency”.
The gift that just keeps giving, unless you fix it.

Kiwi Rickoshay
December 2, 2020 2:27 pm

There is a climate emergency its called Grand Solar Minimum, followed closely bye the Magnetic excursion of the Planetary field, The warmists are at last gasp and there ideas are bluntly wrong.
Its at the point of ridiculousness now, but thats how these clowns are educated, they truly beleave in the AGW religion and scream murder at any attempt to re-educate them to reality.
No doubt ill be digging electric cars outta snow drifts, complete with frozen dumb-asses wearing Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts, their faces frozen into masks of confusion for some time to come.
Oh the PM came down here to the bottom of the country at the start of spring to launch some bullshit political thing or another, she was promptly snowed in for two days, “theres yer global warming bitch” said Mother Earth.

Robert of Ottawa
December 2, 2020 4:04 pm

Good grief, isn’t one emergency enough? Or have they run out of Covid Emergency and now need more Emergency to keep the tyranny afloat? Come On Down, Climate Emergency!

Craig from Oz
December 2, 2020 4:10 pm

In related new, the Australian Senate voted that there was NOT a Climate Emergency this week.

The Greens were not amused. Everyone else in the Senate – Libs, Nats, Labor, Independents – didn’t care what they thought.

Herbert
December 2, 2020 4:40 pm

As others note, the announcement is only that the Government of NZ will be carbon neutral by 2025.
Largely meaningless virtue signalling.
Agriculture accounts for about 50% of NZ’s carbon dioxide emissions.
With 27 million sheep, 6 million dairy cattle and countless pigs, what is happening in the real world?
Agriculture was to have been brought under the national emissions control regime by 1 July 2020.
That meant carbon taxes or carbon credits but the move has been deferred till 2025.
If Agriculture does not have its own emissions reduction regime effective by 2025 it will be folded into the national scheme.
The real test is ahead for New Zealand.

Graham
Reply to  Herbert
December 3, 2020 11:13 am

Herbert,
Read my previous comments re enteric methane being counted as emissions .
The process is a cycle and if scientists cannot see this it proves that the whole global warming ,climate change and climate emergency is based on fantasy and science is consigned to the dust bin .
It is a political driven agenda and New Zealands and the worlds population have to wake up before to much damage is done to our civilization and poverty is forced on to the general population.

RT
December 2, 2020 5:01 pm

The PM could go carbon free, by being the first to go. Find a cliff and let the lemmings with her go. Let the sheep run the country. Much better alternative. A “Climate Emergency” only in her mind to control the country. But even if NZ achieved Carbon Zero. No one would notice the difference globally. Same as AUS. All this for what? Destroy the economy, manufacturing, tourism. What’s left. The world after MAD MAX?

philincalifornia
Reply to  RT
December 2, 2020 6:58 pm

Taking all of the really dangerous ones and paying their salaries and phony expenses to sit in a chair and look out of a window all day, guarding the gates of Hell like in the movie The Sentinel, would be less expensive for humanity. The useful idiots, like we have on here, would be lost in the wash , but we wouldn’t miss them.

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Pete of Perth
December 2, 2020 6:08 pm

Well that sux

Flight Level
December 2, 2020 6:36 pm

There was a time when Ladies and Gentlemen had other things to do instead of cultivating fearsome climate scaremongers to feed their schizophrenia nightmares with further hysteria.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Flight Level
December 2, 2020 7:04 pm

Respectfully FL, when was that? Cretins like these burned “witches” to death for bad weather going back centuries.

Jeff Alberts
December 2, 2020 8:33 pm

What, exactly, is the emergency, via climate, in NZ? Specifics please. Not what might happen if so and so…

observa
December 2, 2020 8:35 pm

“It is up to us to make sure we demonstrate a plan for action, and a reason for hope.”

Not another five year plan and great leap forward from the fearless leader? Still the cloistered ones being frogmarched off to the fields with hoes scythes and pitchforks will be some comfort amidst the tedium of manure shovelling.

Andy of Wellington
December 2, 2020 8:50 pm

I’m a New Zealander and I **DESPISE** this airheaded virtue-signaler and her party.

observa
Reply to  Andy of Wellington
December 3, 2020 4:56 am

Don’t you love the way they can bank all the credits of their ancestors and the fruits of the Industrial Revolution and it’s simply moving right along we’re going carbon neutral now? And electoral majorities actually believe in them? Whatever happened to the Age of Reason?

Hans Erren
December 2, 2020 10:26 pm

“Carbon neutral by 2025”
That is FOUR years from now.
Are they perhaps going to burn all forests for fuel and label that carbon neutral?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 3, 2020 12:09 am

The lake at Taupo is a submerged volcano.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 3, 2020 12:45 am

The other interesting thing about Taupo is if it is considered a sea no place in NZ is further away from the sea than sixty miles. I don’t think the salinity is great enough to be considered that but the nitrogen could be considering all the forestry surrounding it. I know farming gets the blame but it is actually forestry that is responsible. From memory it is eight kilo per hectare and there are many hectares of forestry surrounding Taupo.

Kiwi Gary
December 2, 2020 11:30 pm

When reading the World Economic Forum “suggestions” for the Great Reset, Ardern’s stance is totally in keeping. As for electric cars, they must be rationed to be only for the elite as we don’t have enough electrickery to go around, even with the dream output of renewables. I have done my three score years and ten, and can assert that New Zealand politicians have always been woefully short on technical understanding. They think that the Houses of Parliament have all the magical powers of a Hogwarts.

mikee
December 2, 2020 11:57 pm

Queen of the socialist luddites! Pass the koolaide!

Coeur de Lion
December 3, 2020 12:24 am

People who say carbon when they mean CO2 are lying

very old white guy
December 3, 2020 3:12 am

Carbon neutral. Are they going to kill every living creature in the country, including themselves?

Alba
December 3, 2020 3:41 am

So despite New Zealand’s pledge to be carbon neutral by 2025, they will be importing lots of carbon tainted manufactured goods for the foreseeable future.

New Zealand has declared a climate change emergency and committed to a carbon-neutral government by 2025,

Spot the difference.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alba
December 3, 2020 10:17 am

“Carbon neutrality” is another meaningless term like “climate change”. It’s a political idea intended to produce a desired effect. The whole language of “climate change” is a study in politicized ideation. It has nothing to do with science. Its sole purpose is to mold minds.

ResourceGuy
December 3, 2020 4:45 am

Do kiwis dream of virtual sheep in a carbon free world?

Don
December 3, 2020 5:48 pm

The New Zealand Government owns the New Zealand Navy (of course ) which consists of various ships totaling 6 vessels with a total of approx 47,000 tonnes and a total of at least 100,000 HP . All these ships are oil powered , mostly diesel or oil burning so for the “Government” to be Carbon free by 2025 some other method has to be found and retrofitted to these ships in 4 years ? New Zealand has one of the biggest Economic Zones in the world and seriously needs these vessels to patrol and defend this zone .

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Don
December 3, 2020 8:58 pm

Oh, they can fix that problem easily. They have a built in “Get Out of Jail Free” card. It’s called carbon offsets. That’s how Al Gore manages to declare that he’s “carbon neutral” even though his carbon footprint is the equivalent of a small town. The whole thing is utterly absurd, considering that “carbon” is not and never has been a problem. It’s the stuff of life.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Don
December 3, 2020 9:12 pm

The stupid thing is the airforce would have been far more efficient at patrolling all that water but what do we have now.

William Haas
December 3, 2020 7:43 pm

1. Since power plants in Denmark are burning wood, the climate crisis is over. No further action by anyone else in the world is required.
2. The reality is that based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is plenty of scientific rationale to support the conclusion that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. Hence if New Zealand eliminated all of their CO2 emissions, doing so would have no effect on climate. It is all a matter of science.
3. The AGW conjecture depends upon the existence of a radiant greenhouse effect in the Earth’s atmosphere caused by trace gases with LWIR absorption bands. Such a radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed in a real greenhouse, in the Earth’s atmosphere, or anywhere else in the solar system for that matter. The radiant greenhouse effect is hence science fiction so hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction as well. Officials in New Zealand need to understand this.
4. For those who still believe in a radiant greenhouse effect, it has to be dominated by H2O and not CO2. Molecule per molecule, H2O is a stronger IR absorber than is CO2 and on average there is 50 times more H2O in the Earth’s atmosphere than is CO2. Changes in CO2 will have no significant effect on the over all radiant greenhouse effect. Apparently New Zealand has no plans for lowering global H20 emissions and hence no plan to significantly change the overall radiant greenhouse effect, if it exists.
5. But even if we could somehow stop the Earth’s climate from changing, Extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue unabated because they are both part of the current climate. We do not even know what the optimum climate is let alone how to achieve it. Officials in New Zealand need to understand this.
6 The gas in the atmosphere that holds the most heat energy is N2 and not CO2 or even H2O. It is really the non-greenhouse gases that trap more heat energy in the Earth’s atmosphere because they are such poor IR radiators to space. N2 is also the one gas that is most responsible for the pressure at the Earth’s surface. The higher the atmosphere pressure the warmer will be the Earth’s surface. So if New Zealand really wants to cool the surface of the Earth significantly they need to find a way to significantly reduce N2 in the Earth’s atmosphere and so far they have no plans to do so.

niceguy
Reply to  William Haas
December 3, 2020 9:13 pm

“reduce N2 in the Earth’s atmosphere”

Produce more nitrates?

velcro
December 3, 2020 9:36 pm

NZ has many pleasant features, but it sure is a land of the lotus eaters. Many suffer from the delusion that what NZ thinks or does on any issue is of any global consequence , or matters a damn to the other 99.3% of the world’s population. The idiotic declaration of a climate emergency falls in that category. At least the police have shown a bit of commonsense – they have rejected electric and hybrid vehicles for their replacement vehicles, and have gone for Skoda Superbs, on the basis of performance and utility.

velcro
Reply to  velcro
December 3, 2020 9:44 pm

Actually 99.93%

Brett Keane
December 5, 2020 1:53 am

It shall be found that the Emergency was not the will of NZ, but of the Green (Marxist and Loopy) and some of the Labour (Centre-Left) Political Classes. Not sanctioned by the populace who are a bit stunned by it.
I expect the leadership will pay for their arrogance in good time….. Brett Keane

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