Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Boris Johnson has demonstrated a spectacular lack of empathy for vulnerable people who cannot afford an electric vehicle.
Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM’s green plan
By Roger Harrabin
BBC environment analystNew cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
But some hybrids would still be allowed, he confirmed.
It is part of what Mr Johnson calls a “green industrial revolution” to tackle climate change and create jobs in industries such as nuclear energy.
Critics say the £4bn allocated to implement the 10-point plan is far too small for the scale of the challenge.
The total amount of new money announced in the package is a 25th of the projected £100bn cost of high-speed rail, HS2.
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425
To his credit Boris Johnson has backed more nuclear power, so when the renewables fail some of the lights will stay on.
But the fossil fuel ban will hurt a lot of ordinary people.
Late night public transport in Britain is unsafe, particularly in high crime areas. A few weeks ago a NHS worker was assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking fellow passengers to wear a mask.
But even without Covid-19 there are risks.
In 2018 London tube operators installed metal detectors to try to curb spiralling knife crime, but only stupid criminals carry metal knives. Criminals in London frequently carry ceramic or plastic knives which don’t register on a metal detector.
Aside from the risk of being assaulted by gangs of professional muggers, travelling on London public transport late at night frequently means sharing a carriage with staggering drunks and tailored suit psychotics who have been snorting cocaine all evening.
Outside London late night public transport, if it is available at all, means long waits at dimly illuminated and often lonely bus interchanges.
Boris Johnson’s affordable vehicle ban will rip the safety net of having personal transport away from junior hospital nurses and other vulnerable late shift workers who cannot afford an EV.
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“…A few weeks ago a NHS worker was assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking fellow passengers to wear a mask….”
There is asking,. and there is telling free people to cover their heads by government order…
I understand that in 1776 some government employees were assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking colonial citizens to pay their taxes…
Get real people – by 2030 no automaker will still be producing ICE vehicles and EV prices will be less than ICE vehicles (except used ICE vehicles, which apparently are not banned) Cost of ownership for an EV is much less than that of an ICE vehicle (assuming can recharge at home or work)
On what planet?
(assuming can recharge at home or work)
And just there are the limits, and these are very closely spaced.
ColMosby
support your argued position with facts not hyperbole, and state your qualifications and career experience if you want the average reader here to even consider your comments.
See my comment below. Anything that works is an anathema to a greenie.
CclMosby is delusional.
Clearly not someone who lives or has spent much time in the Western US. Even Cal for all its looniness loves the gas powered cars for freedom.
How many times will you have to repeat this lie before you get anyone other than yourself to believe in it?
He must be limping after shooting himself in the foot. Probably will not be PM for long. Also allowing Christmas for 5 days in exchange for a lock down is not smart. Christmas is not negotiable for a lot of people.
Unfortunately all three parties here have exactly the same policies, and all included them in their manifestos last year.
The ban on petrol/diesel cars is the inevitable result of the vote last year for Net Zero by 2050, which was passed unanimously by Parliament.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/11/18/boris-10-point-climate-plan/
Thank God for cake. Pie will do in a pinch. I think I like pie better, actually. So, let them eat pie.
Jesus H. effin’ Christ.
WTF?
“Britons never will be slaves.”
Thee haughty tyrants ne’er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
“Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
“Britons never will be slaves.”
+many.
Because they still can
The watermelon insanity gets worse.
How long till our various trolls declare this move is proof that electric vehicles are hugely popular and are suitable for any task?
Just hoe did we get this stupid…
The Greenies started raking it in.
Most definitely, this is all about China winning the war for world supremacy, and this is just one battle of many.
As long as everyone else but China shoulders this type of burden, it is only a matter of time before that happens. Has China, for instance, ever complied with the Montreal Protocol?
There’s nothing quite like living in a country full of useful idiots.
Giving way to Extinction Rebellion and The Guardian. Shooting himself in both his feet. How soft is it possible to get these days, voluntarilty?
Wow. And I thought the US was going insane. I guess we’ll be catching up soon enough, tho….
I’m sure they’ll outlaw gasoline and Diesel delivery vehicles too. No need for messy trucks, trains and ocean-going vessels either. All food will be delivered via bicycle or drone to a central location for walk-up pick-up.
You forget planes, they burn FFs.
Harrabin doesn’t mention the fuel duty black hole.
Currently VAT and tax on fuel brings in over £40billion per year. That will have to be clawed back from somewhere.
No fear. Your car will have to have a GPS locked ‘smart meter’ with data collected by DVLA computers recording your up to minute millage, disable it and you will not be able to start your car. Every few days you will receive a bill (as in London we do for congestion charge) for a sum charged according to the type of roads you were driving on.
Electricity.
Nobody will be able to afford the electricity to drive the car. And sure you can only fill it up with government approved electricity with a special smart charger.
+1
Exactly, that is a sizeable hole.
Another point, that get’s skipped over, is how your EV’s electricity is being produced.
An EV in India will produce 1.7 times as much CO² over it’s lifetime than a diesel car, Australia is not much better, Germany and the UK are so borderline that it’s impossible to justify their high subsidies for such a minimal reduction in CO².
Only in countries with “de-carbonised” electricity, France (nuclear) or Iceland (geothermal) for example would there be any net benefit.
So the UK my country of origin have volunteered to be the crash test dummy for the Khmer Vert?
I’ll just watch the show from Belgium.
Nuclear won’t be of any help by 2030, 2130 maybe.
Electric lorries won’t work.
It will be a mistake to lose the technology of making the internal combustion engine.
Didn’t the UK’s own scientists point out that for a fully electric car fleet, the UK will need the entire world production of cobalt and neodymium and some other elements too?
Good luck with that.
But of course that’s not the plan, it’s eco-fiefdom, tying peasants to the land like in the good-ole days.
The entire UK becomes a period drama – how perfectly delightful!
Hordes of working class flying to Majorca and Ibiza on holiday every year is the deepest psychological trauma that the human race ever suffered in 70,000 years. An insult to hard-wired snobbery. It will soon be put right.
Heavier vehicles (lorries, busses etc) will eventually have hydrogen combustion running engines. About a year ago Transport for London (TfL) has ordered 20 of such doubledecker buses, which cost around £500,000 each.
And how are you planning to manufacture the hydrogen and deliver it to where it might be needed?
duh?
Believe it or not there are plans to build hydrogen grid (or replace gas ones) for homes’ heating. Apparently the excess wind generating electricity will be used to power yet to be built electrolysis plants.
The latest idea is to store hydrogen in the form of ammonia (NH3). Researchers at Northwestern University, USA have found a way to efficiently mobilise hydrogen from liquid ammonia, which is much easier to store and transport than hydrogen itself.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201118141718.htm
Ammonia is also being trialled as a ship fuel. So ammonia could be part of a future energy landscape.
But ammonia has nitrogen in it so it’s a bomb making material. That’s a problem. By handling vast amounts of NH3 we would probably create a lot of opportunities for “Beirut bangs”. All over the place.
Not everyone is as gullible as BoJo the Clown.
This is from Germany – possibly worth its own post on WUWT, but that’s not for me to judge.
It’s very long, but superbly-written:
[url]https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-future-shape-of-things/[/url]
Just think, it will look like Cuba, 30 year old trucks and cars driving around, doing business, because the EVs just aren’t up to the job.
Anything that works is an anathema to a greenie.
I expect there will be a collision between Boris’ fantasy world and engineering reality.
It’s an awful thing to say but a good La Nina coupled with anticyclonic weather in the UK would stretch the grid beyond breaking. That might concentrate a few minds on the folly of “renewable” energy. At least anybody but the greens.
‘Late night public transport in Britain is unsafe, particularly in high crime areas. ‘
Really it isn’t. This isn’t the USA.
How much late night traveling have you done in the USA griff, besides zero? You’ve gotta try to rein in those voices in your head dude. You’re starting to look a bit silly on here.
Starting?!?
You should try telling my daughter that!
She lives in London, and travels at all hours of the day and night.
Worst thing for a girl is being followed home by some loony or junkie who is intent on mugging her or knifing her for 10p.
Don’t you ever read the newspapers Griff?
Knife crime in London is some of the highest in the world!
The Guardian said it, griff believes it, that settles it.
Gee Griff I provided links which suggest otherwise.
UK already has 30,000 EV charge points – 10,000 of them installed in 2019.
Kewl, can we go through the maths on what effect that has had on any aspect of climate? Ready when you are.
Zero point zero
Griffo, a good business to be in for any Service “specialising in electrical engineering and renewable energy”.
Ay up Me Duck, Griff, you have a track record of getting this sort of information wrong. Usually by overstating the green side. Most recently that wind supplied 37% of UK electricity last year, the correct figure was 28%.
Please supply an official reference for the information you’ve quoted.
how many are available for public use not at someone’s house ,and who does the number of them affect the time it takes to charge at any one of them ?
Over 40,000,000 vehicles in the UK, looks like they have a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Only need 30,000,000 more in the next15-20 years, i.e.7300 days. 22,000,000 for living accommodation and ,minimum, 8,000,000 for places of employment. 4000 per day until 2040. That will solve any unemployment situation after Covid.
That’s 30K charge points for 68 million people.
Got a long way to go dull chap.
PS: How many of those charge points are still working?
10K per year, at that rate it will only take 6,800 years to build the rest.
100% virtue signaling. Pick a date so far out in the future, announce something that will garner cheers, retire so that you don’t have to deal with it. Rinse and repeat.
“Hordes of working class flying to Majorca and Ibiza on holiday every year is the deepest psychological trauma that the human race ever suffered in 70,000 years. An insult to hard-wired snobbery. It will soon be put right.”
hard-wired snobbery …. that is so true
So snobbish that they think they can control the hoi polloi in the internet age.
Indeed, these climate commuting refugees exist, I can confirm. These and others, have flown too many of them to keep the count.
Good commentary from RT:
Britain set to become Cuba 🇨🇺
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507177-uk-cars-ban-2030/
Bye Bye UK car industry
mwhite
It’s already gone. Boris’ ‘Midlands Miracle’ won’t work as Hona is pulling out in 2021 and Toyota in 2023. Nissan won’t last much longer as they are making noises about Brexit.
So no idea where these rafts of electric cars are going to come from, we’ll have to import them from Japan again.
Boris is either pulling a fast one here in the hope he’ll win votes. But wait until the polls show the Tories bombing over the next year or two as people realise how much this whole green fiasco will cost them.
Rip out my year old gas boiler and replace it with £20k of Heat Pump? I’d rather stick pins in my eyes!
“Hotscot November 19, 2020 at 4:34 pm
It’s already gone. Boris’ ‘Midlands Miracle’ won’t work as Hona is pulling out in 2021 and Toyota in 2023. Nissan won’t last much longer as they are making noises about Brexit.”
Honda is a massive employer, that’s going to destroy the region (A bit like when the rail works shutdown). Nissan has been on the receiving end of tax breaks since Thatcher. But I am not surprised what’s happening there, now, all in the name saving the planet.
Boris does not even own a vehicle? Boris will not be in office when it hits the fan. Boris feels good about helping to save Mother Earth? What does Nigel Farage think about this?
I think Nigel Farage will make so many people aware of the situation that 2030 won’t happen. Vote Reform UK. I’m going to.