President Trump Accuses FDA “Deep State” of Delaying the Coronavirus Vaccine

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

President Trump has levelled a grave accusation that unnamed members of the FDA are deliberately letting people die in order to influence the upcoming Presidential Election.

I support use of vaccines, and when travelling overseas ensure that I receive every available vaccine.

But vaccines, especially new vaccines, are not zero risk.

Obviously the risk of vaccination has to be seen in the context of catching the actual disease the vaccine provides protection against, which is usually far worse than any vaccine complications or side effects.

In our risk averse times there is an obvious temptation for bureaucrats to drag their feet over approvals, to avoid taking responsibility, as bureaucrats frequently do. But there have also been serious cases of bureaucrats who have such polarised feelings towards President Trump, they have acted against his Presidency. Leaving aside whether you personally believe such actions are justified, it cannot be denied that some elements of the US Civil Service want to bring down the President.

Are some obstructionists so extreme in their motivation that they would deliberately allow people to die? President Trump appears to think so.

This is one of those occasions when I am really glad I’m not the person who is responsible for deciding what to do about this mess.

The obvious solution to politically motivated obstructionism is to liberate private medical companies from oversight by a team of civil servants Trump no longer appears to trust. If President Trump does this, any vaccine trial deaths which could conceivably have been prevented by better oversight will be blamed on the Trump administration. But if the President truly believes that civil service malfeasance is obstructing the development of a desperately needed life saving vaccine, he may have no other option than to do what is right, regardless of the consequences for him personally.

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Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 3:09 am

The circumstantial evidence surrounding the FDA’s response to COVID-19 does not look good. (I’ll try to update this graph in the next couple of weeks.

Steve Case
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 4:10 am

Yes, the whole Hydroxychloroquine issue is odoriferous.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Steve Case
August 23, 2020 8:08 am

Several Republican Senators this week have called for the FDA to come before Congress and explain why they are restricting hydroxychloroquine.

The Demonization of hydroxychloroquine is a scandal. An Oklahoma State representative said he had the Wuhan virus and was having a very rough time of it, and after taking hydroxychloroquine he was feeling better within a matter of hours. You can find numerous stories like his.

The key to fighting the Wuhan virus is eliminating the virus from the body as soon as possible. Hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic and zinc have been shown to eliminate the virus from the body in about a week, plus or minus a couple of days.

Hydroxychloroquine is the only safe, cheap drug available to eliminate the Wuhan virus. Yet here we have the FDA calling it dangerous, which has had the effect of causing State Health Departments to put restrictions on doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine, so people can’t get it when they need it, which is as soon after they find themselves infected as possible.

If it is a fact that hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic and zinc can eliminate the Wuhan virus from the body, and it appears to me that the studies done say it can, then banning its use is costing a lot of people their lives and is adding to the numbers of people who will suffer from longterm adverse health effects of the Wuhan virus even if they recover.

Even those with mild infections are reporting adverse health effects after the initial infection is over, so ridding the body of the virus as soon as possible may be important even in asymtomatic people. The administration of the HCQ treatment could fix many of these problems but has been denied to the public by the FDA. Hydroxychloroquine could reduce the body’s exposure to the Wuhan virus from the average of 20 days, up to 37 days of exposure, to from seven to 10 days of exposure. There’s plenty of hydroxychloroquine to pass around to everyone, yet the FDA is preventing it from happening.

There is no evidence that using hydroxychloroquine in the doses being used for treating the Wuhan virus is dangerous. The leading lupus and arthritis doctor on the West Coast, Dr. Warren, said in forty years of treating patients with hydroxychloroquine he had never had to send a patient to the hospital from adverse effects of hydroxychloroquine.

The FDA should be required to show why they have deemed hydroxychloroquine too dangerous to use, when all indications are it is not dangerous, and even if it doesn’t work against the Wuhan virus, taking it would not be detrimental to the person doing so in 99 percent of cases.

Trump is right to raise questions about what is going on at the FDA.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 23, 2020 3:55 pm

Actually, hydroxychloroquine isn’t the only safe and effective drug against the coronavirus. Several weeks ago, I developed all of the symptoms of Covid-19, and went to an urgent care to get some kind of relief. A chest X-ray indicated that it was bronchitis (to which I’m quite prone), and a blood test revealed that it was not bacterial in origin. They did a corona virus test, then gave me a course of methyprednisonal and doxycycline hyclate. The latter is an antibiotic, which puzzled me since they said it was not a bacterial infection.

So I looked it up. The first thing that caught my eye was that the drug is used to prevent malaria! Digging deeper, I found that it has been under study since May for treatment of Covid-19, and from the medical professionals I’ve spoken with, it apparently is the underground “go-to” in lieu of hydroxychloroquine.

I did not have Covid-19; my bronchitis was attributed to a “non-specific virus.” Which raises an interesting question. I’ve had minimal contact with people since March, and have worn a mask and practiced “social distancing” whenever I did have contact. While I didn’t get the super-duper infectious (supposedly) corona virus, some “non-specific virus” managed to penetrate these defenses, and give me the worst case of bronchitis I ever had. If a garden-variety virus could penetrate my defenses, how are they of any value against the corona virus?

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
August 24, 2020 2:01 am

Michael S. Kelly

Six weeks into lockdown, and having followed all the protocols, including disinfecting the mail etc. I caught the common cold, a real stinker!

How the hell did that happen when CV is allegedly so infectious?!

Ian W
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 23, 2020 4:50 pm

Hydroxychloroquine acts as a zinc ionophore. Zinc in the cells prevents viruses hijacking the cell RNA replication mechanisms and prevents viral replication. Not only SARS-CoV-2 but also influenza and many other viruses such as polio. Search on: “Zn(2+) inhibits coronavirus and arterivirus RNA polymerase activity in vitro and zinc ionophores block the replication of these viruses in cell culture
The broad antiviral effect may be the reason that vaccine companies are not too keen on letting people know that intracellular zinc prevents many viral infections.

To ensure that intracellular zinc is at the right level it is necessary to have a zinc ionophore to provide a channel across the cell wall into the cell. AND sufficient zinc in the blood to be able to enter all the infected cells. Note in the paper the zinc ionophore was pyrithione. But there are many available quercetin, resveratrol and Epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) a green tea extract and many more.
This has all been known by the NIH/FDA for decades. That is why the ‘front line doctors of America’ got so wound up by the FDA intransigence in not letting them treat patients using zinc/HCQ/Antibiotic. As they said repeatedly there is a cheap available cure for COVID-19 which the FDA/NIH/CDC and vaccine companies are aware of. These doctors have treated thousands of patients successfully.
The important take aways are –
* Zinc is the important part of the regimen and needs to be transported into the cells by
* A zinc ionophore HCQ is good but there are many more such ionophores
* It is an outpatient treatment by the time the infection is sufficiently advanced that the patient is hospitalized it is probably too late. It should be given on first known contact or on first symptoms.

The medical community appears to be split into:
> those front line personal physicians with hands on experience of trying to save patients who want to continue to use zinc/zinc ionophore/antibiotic as they have a record of saving thousands of patients with that regimen.
> medical technocrats that do not deal with patients but only with statistics and inter departmental funding battles and losing funding from vaccine generation would be a real problem.
> hospital doctors who have tried too late to treat patients with advanced COVID-19 and who blame all the (now known) COVID-19 symptoms other than respiratory on the use of HCQ. COVID-19 infects endothelial cells that line the blood vessels leading to all sorts of blood supply problems for the heart, kidneys, brain etc etc.
>Talking head doctors on television that delight in blaming ‘Trump’s cure” for all the COVID-19 symptoms that they do not know about.

Add to this the total failure in metrology and statistics that has meant that nobody really knows who died FROM COVID-19 as opposed from with COVID-19 or even a death that someone thought could be COVID-19. (UK NHS is the worse if you ever had a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 then when you die it is automatically reported as a COVID-19 death even if you were knocked over by a bus. )

We are now in the position that the numbers dying from other causes including influenza are significantly more than for COVID-19. But deaths from COVID-19 are the SOLE target variable.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Ian W
August 23, 2020 6:06 pm

Doxycycline hyclate performs exactly the same zinc ionophore function as hydroxychloroquine. It’s also an antibiotic, so when taken in conjunction with zinc supplements, it does the same thing as hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and another antibiotic. I just hope President Trump never mentions it, or it will be banned in all 50 states due to TDS.

Really, the politicals who have forcibly suppressed the use of hydroxychloroquine need to be charged with negligent homicide, on a grand scale. The evidence worldwide of its effectiveness is overwhelming – and the staggering death toll where it has been banned is part of that body of evidence.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ian W
August 24, 2020 4:15 am

” It is an outpatient treatment by the time the infection is sufficiently advanced that the patient is hospitalized it is probably too late. It should be given on first known contact or on first symptoms.”

I do not agree that the HCQ treatment does not benefit people who are seriously ill with the Wuhan virus. There have been many reports of people being “on death’s door” with the Wuhan virus and then take the HCQ treatment and make dramatic turnarounds.

No doubt it is much better to take the HCQ treatment as soon as possible after infection, but the HCQ treatment is also effective, or so people say, with those who are seriously ill, although its effectiveness at that stage is certainy limited as compared to taking it right after one is infected..

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ian W
August 24, 2020 4:19 am

“Doxycycline hyclate performs exactly the same zinc ionophore function as hydroxychloroquine. It’s also an antibiotic, so when taken in conjunction with zinc supplements, it does the same thing as hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and another antibiotic”

That’s a useful piece of information. Thanks, Michael.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 24, 2020 5:13 am

“Hydroxychloroquine is the only safe, cheap drug available to eliminate the Wuhan virus. ”

There’s also ivermectin, currently being widely used in the developing world, especially South America. It is mentioned in this July JoNova thread:
“Ivermectin, like hydroxychloroquine is a kind of superdrug — in the sense of being in worldwide mass use. Some 3.7 billion doses are estimated to have been given since its approval. It has been called the Japanese Wonder Drug. It’s the farm drench, a head lice treatment, and works against worm, mites and ticks too.

“It was estimated to reduce viral loads in vitro massively but most people didn’t think it would work at lower safe doses. Then Bangladeshi doctors claim it was “astounding”. Last month US tests suggest that it reduced deaths by 40%. (Rajter)

“These are all every preliminary results. More studies are promised for Ivermectin. Especially in Peru, where a grassroots movement of Doctors has ensured it will be used.

“A US clinical trial of the drug ivermectin found that it reduced the mortality rate of COVID-19 patients by 40%.”

“No guts, no glory” 15 August 2020 AU The Spectator Australia Magazine
Does an Australian gastro legend hold the key to curing Covid?

“Dr Kylie Wagstaff announced on 3 April that ivermectin, a drug that’s been around for almost 50 years and kills everything from head lice and scabies to the parasites that cause river blindness, also kills Sars-Cov-2 virus in test tubes.

Since then, doctors using ivermectin have saved thousands of people around the world who were sick with Covid, even many close to death; the mortality rates for those on ventilators dropped from 81 per cent to 39 per cent. As for people who have just been infected with the virus, there is an almost 100 per cent cure rate. And it is also working as a prophylactic, protecting healthcare workers.

Yet, other than Borody, almost nobody in Australia is treating patients with ivermectin. Why? At first glance, it seems inexplicable. Borody’s triple therapy combines ivermectin with a bog-standard — pardon the pun — antibiotic and zinc. The safety profile is so well-known that there is virtually no risk. There are already 33 clinical trials running around the world. The results so far are uniformly positive. Borody is running a randomised, controlled, double-blind trial in the US, ….
it’s not just ‘hydroxy hatred’ that is a dogma on the Left; merely to seek a cure is, as a fellow at the Australian Defence Force Academy told the ABC, ‘an individualistic solution’ which appeals to those on the right, in opposition to ‘more left-leaning values around social responsibility.’ It’s a ‘quick fix, a magic cure’ for the ‘problem’ of the virus, he says, not ‘a social solution that implies we have to work together’ — with government —‘to address larger, more complex, and interrelated issues in society to battle the disease.”

In addition, quercetin, another zinc ionophore, has been safely used as a supplement for many years. It is recommended by Dr. Zelenko as an alternative to HCQ. It is available from Amazon or your local health food store (I assume).

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 5:09 am

Viral outbreaks impact different geographic regions at different times. The rapid and high initial large peak is greatly due to the horrific experience of the Northeast, NY, NJ, CT, etc. The second peak is largely due to the rise of outbreaks in the Southern states, FL, GA, AZ, TX, CA.

Now, of course individual actions taken at every level cumulatively amount to the overall impact. The effect of HCQ and rules around it would need to be examined at these individual levels to get a clearer understanding of its impact.

There are numerous other variables that need to be considered, such as population demographics, population density, local and state rules, definitions of assignment, treatments used, etc. Your chart contains notations about phased openings, riots and protests, as well as HCQ approval, which is good. All of these need to be considered, but so do several others.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Scissor
August 23, 2020 6:08 am

“Viral outbreaks impact different geographic regions at different times.”

One would expect a complex change in COVID-19 deaths per day over a period of time. What the data shows is a steady decrease in mortality until July 3 when there is an well-defined inflection point to a steady increase in mortality. The inflection point comes 18 days after the FDA revocation of the HCQ emergency use authorization. Note that the median time from first symptom until death is reported to be 18.5 days. What are the odds of that? The FDA revocation was a nation-wide action. The nation-wide response in mortality matches that action. W/o HCQ, individuals are contagious for weeks whereas with HCQ (and associated medications), the infectious period is reduced to days. Note that case numbers began to increase around mid June when the FDA revocation occurred. (Huummm)

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 7:03 am

Huummm, indeed! The foolish FDA action on HCQ is obviously the reason for Trump’s mention of “therapeutics”.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 10:39 am

“Note that the median time from first symptom until death is reported to be 18.5 days. What are the odds of that? ”

more like 14 days +-7

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 12:20 pm

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Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 11:47 am

It followed a rise in cases that peaked at about 70,000 per day, compared to about 32,000 per day in the first wave in April. The CFR was MUCH lower in the second wave for the US, contrasted to the exact opposite for nations in the Southern Hemisphere. There is an obvious correlation with vitamin D deficiency and covid-19, but I won’t hold my breath for any peep about this from Fauxcie.

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 5:25 am

Be sure to check:

1. Fauci’s patents and those his group holds and their use with the Gene Therapy vaccines
2. What Fauci’s wife does in government
3. Associations with Fauci and the Gates Foundation as well as grants from not only Gates but others in industry.
4. Current employers of former CDC/FDA members

Not to mention the FDA/NIH/etc public announcements regarding specific vaccines.

Mostly it comes down to “conflict of interest” – either real or appearance. Especially where the FDA allows totally deceptive “relative risk” criteria in granting approval as well as in advertisements. But, then, that’s also well known but no action.

Trump could wiggle his way out of the Swamp, and the Golden Rule (by Pharma interests) and correct the hysteria by appointing a Covid-19 Treatment Task Force composed of clinical MDs and specialists in respiratory viruses. This would exclude virtually the entire Fauci-Brix-Gates-NIH complex. Charge them with declaring accepted clinical treatments based on real world reality of patients. The ones people go to every day. They know what they prescribe, how its efficacy is as well as the protocol to use. HCQ comes to mind.

And let them pass on the advisability ov vaccination.

And (a bit long, sorry) – vaccines are to protect YOU not the herd. If you want to take the risk by not taking a vaccine, then so be it. Especially for those that “will always be with us”. Herd immunity is completely irrelevant regarding vaccines. Especially when 80% don’t need it, they’re only maybe 50% effective and they’re pushing a novel mRNA Gene Therapy truly novel vaccine never used in humans much less on a huge population.

Obtw, consider getging your yearly flu vaccine arond mid-September to match with the usual profile of the flu season – meaning not too early and not too late since it take 2-4 weeks to build immunity. There’s a push to get it early but, like all things NIH/CDC/etc it’s not in you best interest to go early…do your research from prior to the Covid Hysteria.

Reply to  cedarhill
August 23, 2020 9:27 am

Robert Kennedy Jr’s group has been finding some gems along these lines. While I disagree with him on some items like climate he is exposing the blatant conflict of interest Dr Fauci’s group have.

Mary Holland, General Counsel, RFK Jr’s Children’s Health Defense:

“It’s completely correct to say that NIAID will reap a profit on the Moderna/NIAID vaccine. There are 6 NIAID scientists who work for Dr. Fauci, each of whom would get $150,000/year indefinitely as their reward. So that’s $900,000 to his subordinates every year in perpetuity.”

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 9:47 am

Good work. The only suggestion I would make would be to do it with total/excess deaths as the “deaths from/with” covid-19 is a huge problem. Robert Kennedy Jr’s group has been doing a lot of work with his “Children’s Defence Organisation”.

The CDC is over counting covid-19 deaths by 90%

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 10:52 am

Good point – I’m not sure where to find reliable excess death data.

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 4:31 pm

The CDC has a “total/excess” deaths page so we can all track it here. Scroll down to the chart:

You can also download the provisional data 2019-20 total deaths plus finalised 2014-18 data here:

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 11:34 am

The alphabet agencies certainly flubbed up the testing, first by having some arbitrary rule about them having a monopoly on test supplies and test administration, and then by sending out bad tests, and then with contamination at the CDC lab. Then the HCQ propaganda – whether it works or not is not even the point – it is a cheap and safe long proven drug that has a CHANCE to save lives so doctors and patients should have the right to access.

Now this latest accusation is interesting. Moderna was ready for phase 3 back on June 11th. They supposedly got started on selecting volunteers July 27th – why the delay? Is 6 weeks as fast as the bureaucrats can read an experiment design and put their stamp on it? Meanwhile, Russia did a phase 1 and is now giving the vaccine to anyone willing to take it because it caused no immediate side effects. The worst side effect, death, usually doesn’t show up until someone that has been vaccinated comes into contact with the actual virus, but the chances of that are much higher than the vaccine simply not working.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
August 23, 2020 11:49 am

*chances of that are much lower than the vaccine simply not working

Roger Knights
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
August 24, 2020 5:21 am

“why the delay?”

Thanks to a judge’s ruling, prisoners in America are no longer allowed to serve as subjects in drug treatment experiments, even if they are paid. (The carrot of payment is actually a stick of oppression, according the the judge’s reasoning. Prisoners supposedly can’t give free consent because of this incentive, and/or the incentive of reduced sentences.)

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
August 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Easy to drag your feet at the CDC (sort of a prerequisite to work there) – they are masters of feet draggers so “nothing to see here” as its business as usual

Reply to  rickk
August 24, 2020 8:37 am

Reminds me of the Circumlocution Office in Dickens’s Little Dorrit. It contains experts on how “not to do it.”

Jacques Lemiere
August 23, 2020 3:40 am

well orange man bad is crazy for sure ..but on the other hand, when a s a president makes accusation he has to provide evidence. and what will be the evidence to prove “delaying”? the very existence of regulations will slow any process for reason such safety or else..

some records where somebody states “let s slow more than usual”

may be it is time do depoliticize covid 19

Reply to  Jacques Lemiere
August 23, 2020 5:32 am

I have noticed that President Trump will say some nonsense that gets people angry. While those people and the media are fuming and foaming at the mouth over that, he does something else, something he really wanted done. It is a distraction. And the stupid media fall into the trap every time because they have an irrational and blind hatred of Trump. I wonder if this is a distraction ploy too. The man is not dumb. He has an angle here.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Wade
August 23, 2020 7:40 am

I totally agree with you. When Trump wants a conversation about a situation and no one is paying attention or the press is ignoring it, he will make over the top statements about the situation which always gets the conversation started. It is his way of bringing what he thinks is important to the forefront. He also knows that if he wants something he has to demand far above that. I find it troubling but somewhat amusing that so many on the left have not figured this out after 3 1/2 years.

Poems of Our Climate
Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 23, 2020 9:05 pm

Shut up. Don’t tell.

Reply to  Wade
August 23, 2020 8:00 am

I’ve been noticing that various Democrats will give a speech during which they will accuse Trump of every crime ever known to man, then they will whine about how the vitriol coming from the White House is tearing the country apart.

Modern liberals remind me of the boyfriend in “Forrest Gump”, after beating up the girl, he declares that it’s LBJ’s fault, because LBJ made him so mad.

Reply to  MarkW
August 23, 2020 9:07 am

I always thought that little scene in the movie must have been slipped in by a conservative script writer, one of the few left in Hollywood.

Much like the scene in The Aviator where Leo, playing Howard Hughes, tells off the elitist rich Hepburn’s that didn’t “care about money” “because they’ve always had it”, another scene I would never have thought Hollywood would allow.

Reply to  Wade
August 24, 2020 6:48 am

It’s called trolling.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Jacques Lemiere
August 23, 2020 11:39 am

Evidence? Phase 3 design was completed on June 11th, they didn’t start calling for 30,000 volunteers until July 27th. That’s more than 6 weeks between the feds receiving the plan before the trial actually gets on its way. That isn’t operation “light speed”, it’s operation ludicrously slow.

Reply to  Robert W. Turner
August 23, 2020 6:52 pm

They had to finish phase II trial first. Thats still not been fully evaluated

Ron Long
August 23, 2020 4:01 am

Eric, I saw this idea, of the deep state in action at the FDA, reported. The USA federal government initiated “Operation Warp Speed”, as a public/private cooperative operation, to quickly but safetly, advance a vaccine against Covid 19. The speed element was to streamline protocols in testing regimens and to provide a lot of money to never allow any lags in finding funding or distributing same, but not to abandon the correct medical protocols for a safe advance of the vaccine. It appears to me, from hearing comments from unreliable sources as well as some good ones, that the FDA is having difficulty getting minority groups to volunteer for the advanced test phases. This may be due to deliberate misconduct on the part of the FDA, or it may be due to the profound dysfunction associated with Trump Derangement Syndrome. As we see clearly with ongoing investigations, the Obama administration, to include then VP Joe Biden, ilegally spied on the Trump administration and associates (the first guilty plea has already been entered). Meanwhile, my total investments have recovered 99% from pre-Covid 19 levels, thank you. What a mess, and the November 4 election promises to be an even bigger mess.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ron Long
August 23, 2020 4:32 am

the FDA is having difficulty getting minority groups to volunteer for the advanced test phases.

I’m certain that Unity Joe will soon put out a plea, for the good of the country, imploring his supporters to volunteer, even if it means Trump gets a political boost. That’s what a true statesman of his lofty stature does.

(Excuse me while I die laughing)

Ron Long
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 23, 2020 6:09 am

Rich, if you die laughing they will attribute it to coronavirus.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ron Long
August 23, 2020 2:59 pm

Ok I’ll do my best to cling to life.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Ron Long
August 23, 2020 4:33 am

Oh, damn, I feel a rant working itself up. IF Trump wins re-election, about 1/2 the American electorate is going to go apoplectic (to an extent even greater than they are apoplectic right now, which is bigly, the word the American press intentionally and disingenuously misunderstood-Trump never said bigly, he said Big League, a common aphorism in the Big Apple-because they hate his guts, and can no longer even endeavor to be civil to the man who whipped the aging white shrew they had pinned their hopes on back in 2016. Now in 2020, they have a new, corrupt aging white idiot, and a black female, corrupt shrew to pin their hopes on, and they know this situation is not ideal. Given the horrific, Watergate level of misdeeds done by the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats and the professional bureaucracy, the bulk of American leftist media, given the unprecedented levels of vitriol spewed by intelligencia against Trump, especially by Federal law enforcement and intelligence, the FBI, the CIA, the Five I intelligence agencies of the Commonwealth, the DoJ, can anyone doubt that elements of elected officials are using their power and OUR tax dollars to direct the American voter to specific outcomes they have deemed fit for us? I don’t doubt it in the least.

We must vote for Trump, and stop these corrupt people. It’s going to hurt, but we must. Maybe a large contingency of the deranged will resign their government posts and leave what these days can only euphemistically be called “government service.” The US Attorney’s office in the Southern District of NY should now be fired, en-masse or disbanded completely. Senate Republicans, if they had any backbone whatsoever (they have none) should open impeachment proceedings against Flynn judge Sullivan, any Obama Administration or DoJ employee who secured FISA warrants or unmasked Trump campaign personnel, and fire them, and revoke their pension credits. I am sick to death of this anti-Trump derangement by people whose salaries and pensions my tax dollars are paying. Also, we need to pass law to eliminate the FISA court, and take this type of investigative power away from DoJ personnel, who have proved they cannot use it wisely.

Reply to  Mickey Reno
August 23, 2020 5:11 am

Senate Republicans cannot “open impeachment proceedings”. Only the House of Representatives can impeach. Once Articles of Impeachment are passed in the House and delivered to the Senate, the Senate is where the case is “tried”. If 2/3rds of Senators present vote to convict, the officeholder is removed from office, otherwise, not. There is no way the House is going to open proceedings against Judge Sullivan, deserving or not.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  BobM
August 23, 2020 6:31 am

Thanks, Bob, I actually knew that (I warned you it was a rant). You’re absolutely right that the Democrat dominated House will not impeach any Democrat or Commie or Progressive, probably ever. But I would like SOME Republicans to actually stand up and be counted in this war of ideas, spend a little political capital, and say what’s wrong when you see it. I know this is a lot to hope for, but it is really the model which helped Trump to victory. You can follow his example on that without being a boorish liar. I believe, if they did, they would win the respect of their constituents, their future loyalty and votes. The war against CO2 is a perfect place to start. CO2 is good. CAGW is bad. Brainwashing school children on CAGW bad. All government directed mindsets are bad. There is no Constitutional enumerated power that allows this. But rapid progress on Covid-19 solutions, good. But science by political narrative, bad. Government workers and elected officials lying Americans to affect elections, very bad. UN, total failure. WHO, failure. UNFCCC failure. IPCC failure. Okay, wow, I had a little bit more that needed to come out.

David Longinotti
August 23, 2020 4:13 am

The needed, controlled ‘experiment’ on HCL has already been done, and the results ignored. In the linked article, the second chart (from Johns Hopkins) shows the case fatality rate in France as a function of time. France was routinely using HCL before the Lancet report against it, then stopped because of that article, then resumed the treatments when the Lancet article was shown to be fraudulent. The effect is clear: death rates are reduced by a factor of at least 50% when HCL is used soon after Covid 19 symptoms appear.

In the US, many more than 50,000 people have apparently died unnecessarily, and many more continue to die, because HCL has been politicized by the left.

August 23, 2020 4:16 am

He also restated his disapproval of the FDA revoking its emergency use authorization of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for treating COVID-19.

Many doctors and studies disagree with this!

Reply to  icisil
August 23, 2020 4:26 am

Several US senators sent a letter to the FDA demanding answers regarding their handling of the HCQ issue.

Senators Demand Answers on Hydroxychloroquine from the FDA

Reply to  icisil
August 23, 2020 4:35 am

This from the guy who helped develop the triple therapy for H. pilory infection:

“Hydroxychloroquine is not a bad drug when you combine it with azithromycin. They got 96.3% cure”

“But with ivermectin, it was 100%.”

“We Know it’s Curable; It’s Easier than Treating the Flu” — Professor Thomas Borody

Reply to  icisil
August 23, 2020 5:50 am


Reply to  Trevor
August 23, 2020 8:30 am

Thailand Medical News has some interesting stuff at times (as well as occasional virus porn), but I place more confidence in someone like Borody who spent 26 years developing a cure for peptic ulcers rather some anonymous wannabe experts who don’t even identify who they are, and who run internet promotions that require your mobile # to receive info on what they are.

Reply to  Trevor
August 23, 2020 8:39 am

Although these analyses cannot establish causality, prescribers should be aware of this potential association.”

A similar association that was made with HCQ.


When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
– Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health

Tom Abbott
Reply to  n.n
August 24, 2020 5:28 am

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control”

I’m wondering what “beyond control” entails.

The HCQ treatment seems to be effective for some people who are very ill with the Wuhan virus. If the HCQ treatment stops the replication of the virus in a few days, which it apparently does, then it would be beneficial to even very sick people, I would think.

That’s why I wonder what is meant by “beyond control”. Is there a point where the cytokine storm takes over from the virus as far as damaging the body is concerned? Does the virus become a secondary player at some point?

I saw an interview on tv a few months ago where a man in his 30’s was very sick with the Wuhan virus, to the point that he thought he was about to die, and was sending out his last goodbye’s via email to all his friends.

And one of his friends emailed him and asked him if he knew about the HCQ treatment and suggested he try it, so the man asked his doctor about it the next time he came into the hospital room, and the doctor agreed to give it to him.

He said he was given the first HCQ dose about 10pm than night and by about 4am the next morning he had improved so much that he actually got out of bed and called the nurse, who came in and was shocked at his improved condition. I dont think this was the placebo effect.

So it seems to me if the Wuhan virus is the main culprit, then the HCQ treatment should be given at all stages of the infection. I suppose if the Wuhan virus did enough damage to the heart, then using the HCQ treatment after that damage took place, might have a detrimental effect in that case.

The earlier the intervention with the HCQ treatment, the better. It looks like we could keep a lot of people from going to the hospital and from suffering longterm adverse health effects from the Wuhan virus by giving everyone who tests positive the HCQ treatment for a few days.

People ought to have the right to try the HCQ treatment. Trump signed the “Right to Try” law not long ago. Why is this law not being used as a means to get the HCQ treatment?

Reply to  icisil
August 23, 2020 6:55 pm

What happened to the “your fired” Trump that was elected

August 23, 2020 4:21 am

Is the problem the Doctors reluctance to anything new without years of testing .


Tom in Florida
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 23, 2020 7:44 am

Agreed. The M.D. philosophy taught is to treat the symptoms. The D.O. philosophy taught is to find the root cause and treat that. I always prefer a D.O. to an M.D. for that reason. To be clear I am not saying all are like that, just that it is the methodology being taught in those different schools.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 23, 2020 10:34 am

Normally I don’t reply to comments but in this case I have to. I happen to be an MD. Allopathic (MD) and osteopathic (DO) training is similar. I’ve worked with many DOs. But more importantly, all Docs are taught that diagnosis comes first.

The idea that MDs are taught to treat the symptoms is just wrong. Sorry.

Reply to  Michael
August 23, 2020 5:32 am

if that was the issue?
then theyd NOT besupporting the vaccine rush jobs
stage 4 is ALWAYS the populace
some vaccines follow ups on stage 3 have been as short as a lousy month!
the FDA obscene payments to approve is dodgy
pharmas pay millions and expect approvals
damned rare for anything to be UNapproved…gee wonder wy\hy?
and then when they maim or kill like the early statins maxtor? and celebrex
its damned near imposible to get them banned. blackbox is NOT enough!
vaccine total indemnity is outrageous.

Roger Knights
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 24, 2020 5:35 am

A month or two or three ago I read a sentence that HCQ interfered with the action of remdesiver. This may have provided a motive for bureaucrats and gatekeepers to diss HCQ—if they felt that Big Pharma shouldn’t be undercut from developing treatments for Covid-19.

Reply to  Michael
August 23, 2020 8:03 am

With our sue happy legal culture, it’s the only course that makes sense for most doctors.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Michael
August 24, 2020 5:49 am

In an interview on Fox News yesterday, Dr. Risch of Yale said he had run into the same kind of problem with Dr. Fauci over HCQ that he had with him back in 1987 when doctors were wanting to use a drug (baline?) to treat AIDS patients, and Dr. Fauci put up the same roadblocks to using that drug that he now uses to block the HCQ treatment. Dr. Fauci insisted on completed clinical trials before he would do anything.

Dr. Risch claims tens of thousands of lives were lost to AIDS while the use of the drug was delayed for lack of a clinical trial.

Just like today. Same guy, same delay.

Under The Bridge
August 23, 2020 4:30 am

Be careful what you wish for: if the FDA follows this advise and fast-tracks a vaccine that will inevitably be saddled with devastating side effects along with questionable efficacy, the media will blame Trump for it.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  Eric Worrall
August 23, 2020 1:48 pm

Trump chooses the path that is popular with his base. He is a very ignorant and ill-informed person who is not qualified to speak with authority on anything. Getting people to vote for you and sitting behind a certain desk in a certain office does not confer authority on any subject.

Reply to  Adrian Mann
August 23, 2020 2:30 pm

“He is a very ignorant and ill-informed person ”

Hitting that bottle pretty early…

Willem Post
Reply to  Adrian Mann
August 23, 2020 3:17 pm

Biden has an advantage.
He just keeps his mouth shut in the cellar, until someone rolls out a teleprompter, which he is to dutifully read, with a broad Biden smile at the end.
He will be doing that for 4 or 8 loooooong years.
At his age, with no executive experience, he will just be a cypher/enigma behind a desk.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Adrian Mann
August 23, 2020 6:25 pm

Adrian ,
Could you please give the locations of your major hotels and casinos so I can come visit you to help you with your anger management issues! Maybe you could start a successful TV show to show how media savvy you are!

I didn’t vote in 2016 because I thought she was a crook and he was a buffoon; people like you make think I have to apologize to our VSGPDJT because the real buffoons are the brain dead idiots that criticize a man who has accomplished more than any president I have ever seen while fighting against all of the forces of globalism and unchecked greed! You, sir, are no patriot!

Reply to  Adrian Mann
August 23, 2020 10:58 pm

Adrian, that is easy to say about President Trump. What is harder is to seek the truth and then document your methods and results.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Adrian Mann
August 24, 2020 5:57 am

“Trump chooses the path that is popular with his base.”

Yes, he does. That’s what we like about him. What’s popular with his base, is good for the United States, too.

“He is a very ignorant and ill-informed person who is not qualified to speak with authority on anything.”

You are SO wrong.

Reply to  Under The Bridge
August 23, 2020 5:18 am

Yes, and a vaccine for the general population is probably not needed.

Reply to  Scissor
August 23, 2020 9:43 am

Exactly. If there is a cure then they can’t force the vaccine on people. They block any other treatments out of fear their precious vaccine will be a solution looking for a problem, which it will be shortly if it isn’t already. Block HCQ+, Budesonide and constantly repeat that “there is no cure”.

obel-laureate Dr. Michael Levitt (Chemistry and structural biology at Stanford) has made another prediction.

July 25, 2020: “US COVID19 will be done in 4 weeks [Aug 25] with total reported deaths below 170,000. How will we know it is over? Like for Europe, when all cause excess deaths are at normal level for week. Reported COVID19 deaths may continue after 25 Aug. & reported cases will, but it will be over.”

Now past performance doesn’t guarantee future results but at least he was correct on his predictions unlike the “experts” the governments are mindlessly following.

The CDC has a “total/excess” deaths page so we can all track it here. Scroll down to the chart:

Steven Mosher
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 10:42 am

he is already wrong

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 12:26 pm

Death rates were dropping until the riots started and then it basically flattened. Homicide and suicide are up 20% in 2020 so it will be hard to judge based on excess deaths until the numbers are fully dissected.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 4:35 pm

Drive by commenting again Steven? How about a link or is that too much to ask? Should I just “take your word for it”?

Please backup your statement.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2020 6:29 am

Well Steven since you WILL NOT back up your statement here is why I call Bovine Scatology (BS) on your drive by comment:

Updated on August 21, 2020 you can clearly see the “All Deaths Involving Covid-19” is at 159,865. That is all deaths WITH and FROM covid-19.

So you are WRONG and Dr Levitt is correct (again).

Since you like to disagree with Dr Levitt here is his latest (along with other authors):

Countering the Second Wave with Facts, not Misconceptions

By: Udi Qimron, Uri Gavish, Eyal Shahar, Michael Levitt

Some highlights for you:

Pre-immunity. No country has got more than 20% infected before it died out.

In several closed communities that underwent testing, the infection rate was always capped at 20%, which statistically aligns with maximal infection rate in these communities rather than recurring coincidences.

In Sweden the infection rate did not exceed 20% and the percentage of people who survived the epidemic exceeds 99.9% of the population.

In Belgium, the country with the highest population mortality rate, where less than 20% were infected, and more than 99.9% of the population has survived.

Immediate removal of most restrictions on the economy, immediate return to normal life of low-risk population while helping high-risk groups reduce the rate of social contacts is in order.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 27, 2020 12:09 pm

he likes being heard more so than he hates being wrong

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Scissor
August 23, 2020 12:20 pm

Bingo. Steps to make SARS-CoV-2 just another common cold.
1. Make sure you’re not Vitamin D deficient.
2. If you get symptoms then take HCQ + ivermectin.
3. If symptoms develop into covid-19/pneumonia ( < 0.4% chance if you follow step 1 and 2), take the appropriate steroids.

August 23, 2020 4:47 am

HCL I would take in a heartbeat but I would never volunteer like the daughter of Putin did for the testing of a vaccine for a coronavirus. Or taking a vaccine for a coronavirus for that matter.And I am glad no one is making me…for now that is. Then again there are people who seem to have a different stance on this and they might volunteer when offered proper incentives. Why don’t they? I don’t have a clue. I don’t have TDS either but I think the POTUS should curb his enthousiasm here a bit…to put it mildly.

Reply to  Josie
August 23, 2020 3:15 pm

I agree.
I am certainly not rushing to get a vaccine [whichever HM Government suggests is fit . . .]
If after twenty percent of the UK population has had it, I’ll consider.
But – front runner?? No thank you.
And I’m retired.


Tom Abbott
Reply to  Josie
August 24, 2020 6:03 am

“HCL I would take in a heartbeat but I would never volunteer like the daughter of Putin did for the testing of a vaccine for a coronavirus.”

All we have is Putin’s word for that. I’m skeptical. 🙂

Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 24, 2020 6:34 am

Haha yes maybe she did not volunteer at all or maybe there is not even a Russian vaccine. The story just tickled my fancy I guess. So that should have read: I would never volunteer for the testing of a vaccine for a coronavirus. Period. A job for someone else. For each his own. Regards, Josie.

August 23, 2020 4:48 am

you would never see a drug so politicized, would you?

Adam Gallon
August 23, 2020 4:48 am

He’s mad.
Can’t you really find better candidates for POTUS? Honestly?
First we had Trump v Clinton, now Trump v Biden. No wonder nearly half your population can’t be bothered to vote.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Adam Gallon
August 23, 2020 5:25 am

I know, right? Why can’t we have a moderate like Bernie Sanders up against some solid Stalinist?

More to your liking I’d imagine.

Reply to  Rich Davis
August 23, 2020 12:07 pm

LOL. I sometimes wonder about that myself. You have 330 million people and that’s the best you got? I will say that in the lessor of two evils that America got it right in 2016. Now the same people who were threatening article 25 to remove Trump are putting “Dementia Joe” on the top of the ticket? ROTFLMAO.

My dream ticket is Ron Paul and Denis Kucinich.

Rich Davis
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 6:13 pm

This reminds me of an old legend I heard as a child.

It seems that an old farmer was down on his luck. His crops had failed and he was reduced to a few chickens from which he got eggs, a bit of cracked corn to feed them, and a sack of flour. The hens had to scratch for insects to supplement their meager diet.

One afternoon, feeding the chickens the last of the corn, he noticed a couple of weevils wriggling at the bottom of the bag. With this the devious old fellow devised a plan to revise his fortunes.

He went into his house and told his wife that she would have to give him her wedding ring so that they would not starve. Then to her amazement he filed off a few bits of gold and handed it back to her. He told her that he would give her a much grander ring in due course.

Then he left, bringing the old feed bag into which he tossed the gold filings, and headed off to town.

In the market he proceeded to spin his tale. These two weevils he said had been retrieved from a sack of flour that he had found in his pantry, which had been turned to gold dust, several pounds in fact. He had put them into this old feed bag to transport them, and lo and behold, in the short journey they had consumed the few grains of cracked corn, producing more gold dust!

He now felt that he should share his good fortune with his neighbors and was willing to lease out his magical vermin for a modest percentage of their gold production and a very minor up-front fee of a gold sovereign coin. He had only two to rent out, but the first two customers who could tender the fee and sign the lease agreement would be accommodated this very afternoon.

And that is how he came to be known as the “LESSOR of two weevils”


Reply to  Rich Davis
August 23, 2020 7:31 pm


Jeffery P
Reply to  Adam Gallon
August 23, 2020 6:25 am

Don’t believe everything you read about Trump. After watching a few Covid briefings and then viewing the network news’ reports of the same, you will see the new is full of distortions, bias, and outright mischaracterization and often bizzare interpretations of Trump’s words.

Trump is not a career politician. He often talks the way people from Queens talk. He’s blunt, he’s crude, he is not politically correct. Trump does not speak in code words and there are dog whistles when he talks. You never have to guess what he’s really thinking because he just blurts it out, often without any preprocessing.

Did you think Trump mad in 2017 when Trump said he was being wiretapped and spied upon? We know this to be completely true. We know many officials and bureaucrats conspired to remove him from office via the 26th Amendment.

Don Perry
Reply to  Jeffery P
August 23, 2020 7:39 am

25th, not 26th.

Reply to  Adam Gallon
August 23, 2020 8:05 am

I see our TDS demonstration project is still showing results.

It really is fascinating how the mere mention of Trumps name causes liberals to lose what little was left of their minds.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
August 23, 2020 2:46 pm

Trump is destroying their socialist/authoritarian agenda. The radical Left consider Trump an existential threat to their leftist delusions and they would be correct. So they attack him with everything they can muster.

Trump is almost single-handedly holding back the Leftist Insanity.

August 23, 2020 4:53 am

I asked my (PhD, teaches advanced biology and pre-med) sister about the probability of a CV19 vaccine becoming available soon. Her response: do NOT hold your breath. This is not a normal flu bug.

Trump’s just doing his twitterpating to yank people like the democrats.

Reply to  Sara
August 23, 2020 5:22 am

Could be. Chinese and Russian vaccines are being rolled out for the equivalent of phase III trials. There is a race though as COVID-19 is naturally on its way out.

Reply to  Sara
August 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Don’t take ‘on its way out’ for granted, Scissor. The Spanish flu went around twice and caused many deaths the second time around, in the USA alone.

These bugs are nothing if not persistent, and this one is particularly in its ability to adapt to any receptor – ANY RECEPTOR – in your entire body. Don’t take your good health for granted and do things that put you at risk, please.

Rich Davis
August 23, 2020 5:20 am

I think too many people have the premise of the 2007 movie I am Legend in mind when they think about the supposed risks of taking an experimental vaccine.

Ed T
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 23, 2020 6:41 am

6 out of 8 test subjects go into cytokine storm response within hours and need intensive care for weeks to months. The other 2 were administered placebos.

I wouldn’t be in a rush to take part in any early stage or rushed through trial.

Reply to  Ed T
August 23, 2020 8:45 am

Vaccines are part of a risk management protocol, and have a risk profile separately and jointly with the disease they are intended to treat. This is why the early treatments with drugs that have well-established risk profiles, in vitro, observational, and retrospective effectiveness, is the immediate path to follow.

Reply to  Ed T
August 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Now if You had looked into it you would have seen that it wasn’t a vaccine at all. And that the problem was that it was administered in much too high a dose, due to an unfortunate choice of laboratory animal (macaque), which differs from humans in the specific gene affected.

After that testing debacle it was of course immediately discontinued. Ironically it was later bought up by a russian firm which is now into Phase 2 clinical trials with very promising results. Of course in much lower dosages.

Ben Dhyani
August 23, 2020 5:25 am

Donald Trump always has the answer before he trolls and triggers the weak minded, then rubs it in by providing the positive news.

August 23, 2020 5:28 am

Bottom line, even with a vaccine, it won’t eliminate the China Wuhan Virus.
ORANGEMANBAD should be pounding the media and the Democrats (redundancy noted) about their obstruction of using Hydroxychloroquine

Reply to  Matthew W
August 23, 2020 7:48 am

One should present credible, peer reviewed evidence before any pounding. There is none for hydroxychloroquine.

Reply to  Trevor
August 23, 2020 8:46 am

In these types of situations we have to work with the best evidence we have, which is clinical evidence. And clinical evidence shows very good efficacy in out-patient settings. That may not be the gold standard for some people, but it sure is good enough for people who’s lives are saved.

btw, there is no evidence that all hypoxemic covid patients will die if they aren’t intubated. Yet that is the primary go-to treatment.

Reply to  Trevor
August 23, 2020 9:34 am

In vitro, observational, and retrospective, with a well-established [minimal] risk profile.

Reply to  n.n
August 23, 2020 1:18 pm

HCQ has been clinically tested for many decades by millions of people (incidentally including me) and found to be extremely safe, so no “risk profiling” is needed

Abolition Man
Reply to  Trevor
August 23, 2020 6:54 pm

Are you intentionally lying or just ignorant? The number of studies showing HCQ taken early with zinc and an antibiotic is effective against the ChiCom-19 Virus are far more numerous than those refuting it! Two of the negative studies had to be withdrawn and most of the others do not use the regimen correctly! Now why is that do you suppose?
I was exploring for interesting facts about this plandemic today and found a couple that might interest someone with an open mind. Nigeria has a fatality rate 5.0/million, while the US has as rate of 532/million! That means in a country where traditional herbalists are still a large part of the medical establishment you are over 100 times less likely to die from the virus than in DemoKKKrat controlled states in the US! I’m sure it’s the herbal remedies; it couldn’t be due to widespread use of HCQ to fight malaria! If you think you may have been exposed to the virus I would recommend a trip to Africa! Many countries there have lower fatality rates than the US and you can get HCQ just about anywhere!
Gov. Whitless in Michigan may be showing where her true allegiances lie; she’s managed to attain a fatality rate of 666/million while tormenting the citizens of her state with endless imperial decrees! If there was any justice part of her sentence for killing so many Michiganders would be to wear a mask 24/7 for the rest of her life!

Ben Dhyani
August 23, 2020 5:30 am
Doug Huffman
August 23, 2020 5:30 am

Worse than risk aversion, that is at least rational, worse is safety-ism a humanist faith based religion. In whom they have their unwarranted faith is the issue.

Big T
August 23, 2020 5:36 am

Listen to his sister. This man is a fool and a self loving moron! Vote for independent Brian Corroll for common sense

Ben Dhyani
Reply to  Big T
August 23, 2020 5:48 am

No one is perfect.

Ben Dhyani
Reply to  Big T
August 23, 2020 5:58 am

No one is perfect!

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Big T
August 23, 2020 12:31 pm

Yeah vote for the guy with a 0.0% chance of winning, cOm.MoN.CeNtz.
Yeah the billionaire – that could be doing whatever he wants right now anywhere in the world is instead in charge of an insane asylum and subjected to a daily mudslinging by the insane – is a self loving moron. That must be more cOm.MoN.CeNtz

Reply to  Big T
August 23, 2020 1:40 pm

You’re absolutely right – except for the part about being a fool and a moron. Corroll would be a good vote for someone who caters to Democrats.

A Democrat by any other name would still stink.

Ben Douglas (@BenDhyana)
August 23, 2020 5:37 am

I hope the news conference tomorrow will be positive.

August 23, 2020 5:39 am

The FDA is definitely not interested in cheap generic drugs. These drugs don’t make any money for the pharmaceutical companies. Many of the FDA employees later take high paying jobs at lobbying firms. Good luck getting high paying lobbying job if you are known to approve generics.

Ben Dhyani
August 23, 2020 5:42 am

Donald always has the solution to the problem before he triggers the lefties.

August 23, 2020 6:28 am

The FDA & co are dragging their feet over quick paper home testing; Trump’s advisors have not urged him to subsidize these as well . Dr. Mina of Harvard gets more traction for this with Biden than with Trump….
The paper tests approach can eliminate unnecessary quarantines, open schools and offices etc.

August 23, 2020 7:44 am

I have not found a vaccine that has strong evidence of being useful in advanced countries and almost safe.

Reply to  niceguy
August 23, 2020 8:09 am

When you refuse to look, it’s not hard to not find what you don’t want to see.

Reply to  MarkW
August 23, 2020 1:51 pm

When you refuse to look at the evidence of harm from hep B vaccine, flu vaccine (causes Covid?), measles (causes age shift, people get it when it’s bad for them – like the
pertussis (makes people more likely to get pertussis and nobody knows how to restore pre-vaccine pertussis risk level), some of these vaccines can make children contagious, the polio vaccine in India is linked with massive polio syndromes, polio vaccinations in Africa spread polio virus…

And vaxxism causes politisation of “science” and “scientists” confuse their role with public health “advocacy”.

Just A Casual Observer Moving to Mars
August 23, 2020 8:09 am

We don’t *need* a vaccine. THERE I’ve said it. We don’t need one. Why? Because it’s a coronavirus and not a superbug. This is not the Thanos of viruses–it is a coronavirus and it’s just an excuse, a scapegoat for what is really going on. We have overpayed for tickets to the Coronavirus show and have been carefully divided into booing and cheering crowds based on numbers spewed by the MC’s in their nightly broadcasts. While the real players are in their box seats and betting on their favorite horse to win because they’ve been deemed “essential”.

WE need to stop listening, leave the show and take back control of our own lives because we have given that up. I have seen it in my own community (I’m sure we all have); the shame of human existence, now extended to our communities if we don’t conform, ask questions, or tell the scared Karens of the world to shut the hell up, get back into your luxury SUV and try to find meaning in yourself and your own life. And if we don’t ask questions, demand answers or breach that carefully controlled division, there will be only 1 store (Walmart), 1 restaurant (Taco Bell) and 1 code of community (blank stares and white eyes). We will no longer be diverse or allowed to have opinions outside of the community, we will all be separated and not allowed to join to be social in nature or to experience anything not tightly controlled by those in power that fear losing it more than anything else.

My solution starts small–send the kids back to in person school. Send the people back to work, try to save the businesses that are struggling, and come to the conclusion that herd immunity is the ONLY way this is going to work. Forget testing for the virus, start testing for the antibodies because we’re all going to get it eventually and all we are doing is delaying the inevitable until flu season when we’ll ALL be screwed. Leave the pipedream of a vaccine to cure all woes at the door because it won’t ever come. It’s a “someday” dream that we need to wake from and demand testing for antibodies and tracking herd immunity rather than sitting in our seats and waiting for the conclusion of the show so we can leave. Lets leave now instead.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Just A Casual Observer Moving to Mars
August 23, 2020 10:46 am

“My solution starts small–send the kids back to in person school.”

teachers need to show up

and until you convince them its safe enough..

good luck

Meanwhile I am enjoying my time in Dubai.

where everyone wears a mask, 60% of the population has been tested.

Normal life as far as the eye can see.

had a great day at the aquarium, dinner, shopping at the mall.

hey guess what, when you dont deny science life is pretty good.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 12:07 pm

Tell me how many places there are like the inner cities of New York, Chicago, Detroit, LA, Philly, St Louis etc?
It’s not lack of science, it’s lack of liberals.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 2:34 pm

Is this true?

“The UAE uses hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir drugs as part of the coronavirus treatment protocols in healthcare facilities in the country”

Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 23, 2020 7:40 pm

And the UAE got 30 million doses of HCQ from India in April/May.

Like you said Steve, “hey guess what, when you dont deny science life is pretty good”

Joel Snider
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 25, 2020 11:04 am

God, you’re a prick.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Just A Casual Observer Moving to Mars
August 23, 2020 4:03 pm

Casual Mars emigre—
Maybe we wouldn’t need a vaccine if all people had a realistic assessment of the risks, but since humans are generally easily stampeded when frightened, we urgently need a vaccine.

We need planes full of people pursuing commerce for my job to have a future. Millions of others are in similar situations where the absence of a “cure” puts their jobs and financial survival at great risk. We’re the lucky ones because millions of others have already seen their employers go bankrupt. 50- and 60-year-olds who get laid off face an almost insurmountable challenge to get a job in an economy with 10% unemployment. There’s not much real employment discrimination in America, except for the egregiously prevalent age discrimination.

The evil Democrats are playing politics with this pandemic without a doubt, and have killed thousands by propagandizing against effective treatment with HCQ-Zinc+.

If Harris wins the election, the pandemic will be over, whether it’s in the form of “ironically Trump was right after all, whaddayaknow? Oopsie!” or if it’s a new aqueous sodium chloride treatment that “new studies show” eliminates the risk of infection. Yes, I have that low of a trust level in the Demonrats, both the politicians and the “journalists”.

Not having a belief that an effective cure is on the horizon, Trump will lose and basically America is over. I have never liked Trump, or liver. But the choice of Trump vs Harris is a choice of liver vs nerve gas.

What? You say Trump is running against Biden, not the Trojan Harris?

Jørgen F.
August 23, 2020 8:16 am

It seems obvious to everyone that fatality rates are dropping.
However authorities around the world claim that another possibility than the obvious … could be that more young people than before are infected – hence the drop in serious cases and death. And because of that possibility as an explanation is still open they keep restrictions going and continue to regard Covid as lethal as in the spring.
However, in my view, as some young people also died in the spring from Covid – a shift in infections towards younger people would have the consequence that younger people , on average, died now than before if it was still as lethal as in the spring.
And at least in Denmark – to my knowledge that trend has not been observed.
Leaving no other explanation , in my view, that Covid is indeed much less severe than in the spring – perhaps only 1/4 as lethal as before…

Reply to  Jørgen F.
August 23, 2020 9:45 am

More likely the treatments are better.

Jørgen F.
Reply to  EDB
August 24, 2020 3:37 am

…but as treatment is only available at the hospital it dosen’t explain the drop in admissions.
So as long as there is no changes to admission- and death-demografy there can only be on reason to dropping death rates – imhop.

Reply to  Jørgen F.
August 23, 2020 9:49 am

I’m certain some reduction in mortality is due to a reduction in intubations after a NYC doctor rocked the world with his revelation that mechanical ventilation was likely harming many patients.

Also, since things have quieted down, there are likely now not as many unqualified clinicians baby-sitting ventilators, like the dentist mentioned in the NYC whistle blower nurse video and the orthodontist in China. I read that there were online webinars to teach doctors how to run ventilators, which is pretty scary when you understand how damaging ventilators can be even in expert hands, and much more so in the hands of unskilled clinicians. You don’t acquire that skill by watching a webinar.

Also, substandard equipment brought in during the rush has probably been sent to storage or the dumpster. I saw a twitter post by an ER doctor that showed a bunch of ventilators stacked on a dolly with a comment that they worked sort of OK, but the mortality count should probably be adjusted lower on account of them. In other words, as I read it, he was basically admitting that the ventilators were responsible for some of the mortality. I would post a link to his comment, but he took his account private shortly after that post.

August 23, 2020 8:20 am

“some elements of the US Civil Service want to bring down the President.”

“some elements”??? You must be joking.
Follow their money:

John Robertson
August 23, 2020 8:25 am

Given that TDS is a demonstrated reality,that the “civil service is predominantly liberal and that we have documented evidence now of civil service obstruction of politicians they despise,particularly Mr trump.
I will agree with the President.

Bureaucrats do play politics,they do lust for power and they do “Know” better than you what your best interests are.Just ask them.

One thing the Plandemic from China has highlighted is the sheer hubris,incompetence and arrogance of our Public Health Officials.
When the “crisis” ends we need to seriously reduce the ranks of our” helpers”.
Useless and clueless being a polite description of what we have seen.

August 23, 2020 8:40 am

16 trimesters and in progress.

August 23, 2020 8:40 am

If anyone has a reason to suspicious of the Washington swamp, it’s Donald Trump. Once you use the FBI illegally to get a guy, being paranoid should be your default setting.

Reply to  Dave
August 23, 2020 9:38 am

Trump is right about the conspiracy/collusion to sabotage his administration, but he hasn’t overreacted and made the missteps that lead to Nixon’s downfall. He is an extraordinary man, likely, and has better support from people near and fellow Republicans.

Thomas Englert
Reply to  Dave
August 23, 2020 4:08 pm

It isn’t paranoia if they’re really out to get you.

August 23, 2020 11:19 am

My best friend’s Nigerian wife (he’s Swedish in background) says that Hydroxychlorquine is given out like CANDY in Nigeria when there are Malarial outbreaks. NO PROBLEMS. Been using for 70 years.

IT is a much safer form of Quinine (deadly poison in high doses.) Let say you have Quinine and instead of one pill per day you injest 10… better than cyanide to kill you off!

Reply to  Max Hugoson
August 23, 2020 6:59 pm

It was sold OTC in France for decades until January when the health minister said it was unsafe and made it prescription only. Interesting timing

My mother been taking it for 30 years for lupus. She is 88

August 23, 2020 11:30 am

One thing that worries me is that Trump is now pushing vaccines. Why? We have cures. Yes multiple ways to cure it. Why is he now pushing vaccines? I will not take it.

By the time they are ready they will be a solution looking for a problem.

The ones from Moderna and Pfizer are very dangerous.

Curious George
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 12:03 pm

“We have cures”. Please list the best three, without forcing me to watch 21 minutes of probable nonsense with a beautiful speaker. Are you Dr. Carrie Madej?

Reply to  Curious George
August 23, 2020 2:10 pm

Pharmaceutically, HCQ, Ivermectin, and nebulized budesonide (not necessarily in that order).

What does someone like yourself say when the doctor who developed the cure for peptic ulcers says there are multiple cures, and it is easier to cure than influenza?

Curious George
Reply to  icisil
August 23, 2020 3:42 pm

Maybe they should be made available over-the-counter. A self-help outside of self-esteem.

Reply to  Curious George
August 23, 2020 4:42 pm

Okay CG here you go. I’ll even throw in a bonus one for you.

1) Inhaled steroids like Budesonide

The interview with Dr. Richard Bartlett has been BANNED BY YOUTUBE:

But you can still see it here starting around the 4 minute mark:

Cheap and can be used on very sick people with serious existing health conditions.

2) Ivermectin + Doxycycline + Zinc

Professor Thomas Borody developer of the triple therapy cure for peptic ulcers in 1987.
“It’s easier than treating the flu now”. “You can actually eradicate it”. “We know it’s curable”

3) If you doubt HCQ+ works please check out Switzerland. With, Without & With HCQ

4) As an added bonus Dr Levy has been getting great results with his Peroxide Protocol. A 0.1% solution of hydrogen-peroxide and saline solution inhaled with a nebulizer.

– Dr Thomas E. Levey, MD, JD

Reply to  Curious George
August 23, 2020 7:02 pm

Our immune system cures 99.8%

HCQ and zinc while not a cure have been shown effective in at risk patients who take it early.

Dexamethasone helps in late stages but was not used for some reason.

John Piccirilli
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 12:04 pm

He s pushing for one because that s the only way these dumbasses will open up schools and businesses

Reply to  John Piccirilli
August 23, 2020 4:47 pm

Rushing new vaccines is a bad idea and it is already being rushed beyond my belief. No animal testing and carry on to stage 3 when stage 2 had 20% severe reactions requiring medical attention or hospitalisation?

If the dumbasses don’t want their schools open let them stay closed. That is no reason to further rush an already unbelievably accelerated schedule.

Reply to  John Piccirilli
August 23, 2020 7:07 pm

He can tell the states if they don’t open up he cuts off all Federal Funds and mobilizes the national guard to force them to open up like the government did to open up the schools for everyone in the 60’s

He is the President with Executive Emergency Powers. He can do anything, which is pretty much his AG’s position (Barr)

Kay Fabe
Reply to  TRM
August 23, 2020 6:50 pm

He handed out 12 billion to vaccine companies and is mobilizing the military to deliver them despite the fact the only people at risk for dying of Covid are the elderly and sick people who wont respond to the vaccine and are excluded from the safety trials (as ore pregnant women and children)

This is madness.

Also, its very unlikely the vaccines will even work or work for very long. HCQ sitting in warehouses expiring. If Trump cant manage his people (FDA/CDC) with all his powers let someone else run the country

Why hasn’t his AG taken Governors/states to court over unconstitutional lockdowns/mandates. Presidents did so to get states to integrate the schools and then used to national guard to force them open when they refused

Seems to be Trumps all talk

Reply to  Kay Fabe
August 24, 2020 9:06 am

Fine, but opposing vaccines is a bad look – even the most awfully designed, untested or useless vaccines.

And Trump is a CENTRIST. He nearly always takes middle positions.

August 23, 2020 11:40 am

I will not blame this site for anything but as I said and willis said that lockdowns dont work it just prolongs the pain take note Sweden has no more CASES or even deaths you cannot stop these viruses they are natural infections that are meant to immunize youngn peoples lungs!!! Trump needs to declare a National emergency to stop all lockdowns he needs to fire the whole CDC people immediately. My view and 2 cents worth

Reply to  Eliza
August 23, 2020 8:03 pm

Yep. And Belarus doing even better (Sweden + HCQ).

Dr. Michael Levitt on May 04, 2020: “If Sweden stops at about 5,000 or 6,000 deaths, we will know that they’ve reached herd immunity, and we didn’t need to do any kind of lockdown.”

As of August 20, 2020 Sweden has 5,810 deaths:

Effect of closing borders, full lockdowns

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

August 23, 2020 11:45 am

If the hydroxychloroquine + Zn regimen as prophylaxis against the Chinese Communist Party virus was administered to all adults over 20 years for 6 weeks w will have solved it without any much deaths and without any lockdowns, face masks and economic downturns.

The regime consists of 2 x 200mg Plaquenil tablets every week and one daily zinc supplement (Vit C with zinc). I’m on it myself.

Curious George
Reply to  Alex
August 23, 2020 12:06 pm

My doctor refuses to prescribe it, as it is being discouraged. Down with Trump!

Reply to  Alex
August 23, 2020 7:08 pm

You don’t need it unless sick and high risk. There is a supply issue too.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Pft
August 24, 2020 11:08 am

“There is a supply issue too.”

If HCQ isn’t available, Dr. Zelenko recommends quercetin (available from Amazon) + zinc.

August 23, 2020 12:02 pm

Honestly Eric,

President Trump has levelled a grave accusation that unnamed members of the FDA are deliberately letting people die in order to influence the upcoming Presidential Election.

That is not what he said! Little nuances that imply additional meanings that are not there, like this, make all of media mistrusted. Now you are putting yourself in that category.

Not that I don’t appreciate your work, I do–but hold yourself to a higher standard, please.

John Piccirilli
August 23, 2020 12:19 pm

BTW recently announced here in Massachusetts (ht Howie Carr). Kids will not be allowed into schools with out being vaccinated, if there is one ,which I doubt nor will I get one, I’ll take my chances with covid

Reply to  John Piccirilli
August 23, 2020 6:38 pm

John P
“.Kids will not be allowed into schools with out being vaccinated, if there is one ,which I doubt nor will I get one, I’ll take my chances with covid”
Same. No way I am having a vaccine that clearly is being rushed through before an election so Trump can win votes.

August 23, 2020 12:25 pm

Unfortunately, sometimes the God Emperor is just a fekking idiot… like every time he talks about science or religion, for example.

Reply to  Matt
August 24, 2020 1:30 am

He’s not a complete idiot …there are still some bits missing.
Trump is would-be Dictator (he likes to hangout with others around the world) but without the ‘tator’.

I’m still amazed that from a population of 320milion you end up with a choice between two rich idiots, proves that scum always rises to the top; not that we are much better in UK, just less extreme …we voted for Boris !!!

This how Boris handled Covid 19

Reply to  Matt
August 24, 2020 2:47 am

Are you talking about Cuomo? The guy who stuck Covid patients in nursing homes?

August 24, 2020 2:34 am

I will stand by my previous analysis, published way back on 21March2020. Dr. Falsi and others grossly over-reacted to this relatively mild flu, which was less deadly than the 2017-18 seasonal flu and only highly dangerous to the elderly and infirm.

We would have been ~infinitely better off to overprotect the high-risk population and let everyone else carry on their daily lives at work and school – with perhaps some simple precautions. Governments are loath to admit they trashed the economy for nothing, but the truth is slowly leaking out, as evidenced by this German report:
May 29, 2020

The idiotic full-Gulag lockdowns were initially intended to prevent our hospitals from being overrun by the “tsunami of cases” that never arrived. One idled ~600-bed Calgary hospital peaked at ~6 cases, more typically 2 or 3, as elective surgeries etc. were cancelled and hospital staff were severely under-utilized. The utter foolishness of this approach should have been obvious within a week or so, but continued for months.

All the lockdown accomplished was to delay herd immunity from being achieved during this summer season, and possibly encouraged the virus to survive into the 2020-2021 flu season. Attaboys all around – a total failure.

There is little doubt now that my 21&22Mar2020 assessment (below) was correct – the greater questions is: ”Was the full-Gulag lockdown just a really stupid error, or was it a deliberate scam?”

Told you so on 21Mar2020 – the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19 was an UNnecessary costly debacle.

I independently called Covid-19 correctly on 21Mar2020, when the epidemiology “experts” in the USA and the UK got it so wrong. The data was available, from South Korea, the Diamond Princess cruise ship, etc.

PLANDEMIC OR SCAMDEMIC? Watch this video and re-post it.
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.

August 24, 2020 10:13 am

The new shotgun marriage of Covid-19 and Climate Change strongly suggests that the full-Gulag lockdown was not an error, but a deliberate scam.
Why this conclusion? Because Covid-19 and Climate Change are NOT related, no rational person could be this stupid, and climate activists have certainly been this aggressively stupid for decades.


WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus during a news conference from the agency’s Geneva headquarters:

“In particular, the Covid-19 pandemic has given new impetus to the need to accelerate efforts to respond to climate change. The Covid-19 pandemic has given us a glimpse of our world as it could be: cleaner skies and rivers.”

Marc Morano comments: “You were warned, COVID & Climate – A marriage made in authoritarianism. The morphing of the public health bureaucracy and the climate establishment is at hand. Nothing good can come from this arranged marriage.”

August 25, 2020 8:22 am

The following says to me:

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus during a news conference from the agency’s Geneva headquarters:

“In particular, the Covid-19 pandemic has given new impetus to the need to accelerate efforts to respond to climate change. The Covid-19 pandemic has given us a glimpse of our world as it could be: cleaner skies and rivers.”

August 24, 2020 7:03 am

”Was the full-Gulag lockdown just a really stupid error, or was it a deliberate scam?”

It was the former. However is was so xtremely stupid that it looked and continues to look like a scam.

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