VOX: “We Could Quickly Get Used to Climate Chaos”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

VOX author David Roberts is worried we shall never wake up to the need to address the climate crisis, because we will just get used to it.

The scariest thing about global warming (and Covid-19)

“Shifting baselines syndrome” means we could quickly get used to climate chaos. 

By David Roberts @drvoxdavid @vox.com  Jul 7, 2020, 9:20am EDT

For as long as I’ve followed global warming, advocates and activists have shared a certain faith: When the impacts get really bad, people will act. 

Maybe it will be an especially destructive hurricane, heat wave, or flood. Maybe it will be multiple disasters at once. But at some point, the severity of the problem will become self-evident, sweeping away any remaining doubt or hesitation and prompting a wave of action.

From this perspective, the scary possibility is that the moment of reckoning will come too late. There’s a time lag in climate change — the effects being felt now trace back to gases emitted decades ago. By the time things get bad enough, many further devastating and irreversible changes will already be “baked in” by past emissions. We might not wake up in time.

That is indeed a scary possibility. But there is a scarier possibility, in many ways more plausible: We never really wake up at all. 

No moment of reckoning arrives. The atmosphere becomes progressively more unstable, but it never does so fast enough, dramatically enough, to command the sustained attention of any particular generation of human beings. Instead, it is treated as rising background noise.

We adjust; we can’t help it. If we wait for ecological change to thrust itself into the consciousness of ordinary Americans, we may be waiting forever.

Shifting baselines apply to several other social problems

Once you start thinking in terms of shifting baselines, you start seeing them everywhere, not just in ecology.

What is the unending debate over the “normalization” of Trump but a debate over shifting baselines? President Trump has degraded and discarded longstanding norms of presidential behavior with astonishing speed and recklessness, but it has proven incredibly difficult for the press and the public to assess his record based on pre-Trump baselines. This is why people are always asking, “What if Obama did this?” They are trying to ask, “Why have we shifted our moral and political baselines so quickly?”

What if Americans simply accommodate themselves to thousands of coronavirus deaths a day? As writer Charlie Warzel noted in a recent column, it’s not that different from the numbness they now feel in the face of gun violence. “Unsure how — or perhaps unable — to process tragedy at scale,” he writes, “we get used to it.”

Read more: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/7/7/21311027/covid-19-climate-change-global-warming-shifting-baselines

If the climate crisis is just another problem to be addressed, rather than an existential crisis which eclipses all other considerations, then it has to compete for attention with other societal problems.

There is no evidence climate change is an especially important problem, no evidence it deserves special attention, given the long term drop in the annual number of deaths from weather related disasters.

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July 8, 2020 2:05 pm

“Once you start thinking in terms of shifting baselines,”

for the past 50 years……in 10 years we’re all going to die

…talk about shifting baselines

we’re over it……..

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Latitude
July 8, 2020 3:57 pm

It’s alk OK. Nuclear fusion power will be viable by the time any climate crisis occurs.

IE, never.

old white guy
Reply to  Latitude
July 9, 2020 1:58 am

When you can’t control something you adapt as we have for thousands of years.

Reply to  old white guy
July 9, 2020 2:41 am

Like headless chickens running around screaming Wolf !!

After a while you just get used to it.

The sad truth is that in 100y well will ALL BE DEAD. Some of us much sooner. That is what these fools can not deal with, their own mortality. They find it reassuring, the idea that climate can be constant especially if kid ourselves we can control it.

Reply to  Latitude
July 20, 2020 7:40 pm

I’m not sure. I have a hard time breathing under water, and climate scientists have repeatedly told me that sea level rise will be 30-40 feet. I may have some difficulty ignoring that, if it happens. If we CAN ignore climate change then it’s not as bad as they think it will be.

Charles Wardrop
July 8, 2020 2:13 pm

There is no more climate chaos than has always been the historic rule.

Joel Snider
July 8, 2020 2:14 pm

Another way to say it, might be no one would notice it if the press wasn’t telling everyone it was the end of the world.

Reply to  Joel Snider
July 8, 2020 5:03 pm


The climate has warmed in the past 300 years.

That’s good news.

We happen to live during an interglacial.

That’s good news too.

Several thousand years ago.was the Holocene Optimum, believed to be warmer than today, but we missed it.

We live in the best climate for humans and plants for at least 500 years.

So why not celebrate?

We can’t celebrate because those smarmy @$&# leftists have been bellowing about a coming climate crisis since the 1970s.

50 years of bellowing about a fake crisis.

It might be +1 degree warmer (or cooler) in 2100

So what?

Would that ruin your life?

Would you even notice?

What if the warming was mainly at high latitudes, mainly during the six coldest months of the year, and mainly at night?

Like much of the warming since 1975.

Warmer winter nights in Alaska are a perfect example.

That’s good news, not an existential climate crisis !

Reply to  Richard Greene
July 8, 2020 5:22 pm

I’ve long suspected that climate worriers are just unreconstructed methodists or catholics (like I used to be) – conditioned to feel guilty about many situations that one really had no part in causing, or able to do anything about.

But uttering words of repentance is a salve for the soul. (or something).

Joel Snider
Reply to  Mr.
July 9, 2020 12:48 pm

I have been saying the same thing – progressives have done all they can to eliminate a belief in God (at least the Judeo-Christian God) all that Catholic guilt had to go somewhere.

David Sigman
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 8, 2020 6:56 pm

Well, I won’t even be here. By 2051 I would be 1000 so unless there’s a breakthrough in longevity medicine I’m gonna miss out.

Reply to  David Sigman
July 8, 2020 9:47 pm

You’re saying you’re the exact same age now as Methuselah was when he died?

adrian smits
Reply to  mcswell
July 9, 2020 2:20 pm

Must be a vampire.

David Sigman
Reply to  David Sigman
July 8, 2020 10:06 pm

I meant to say 100 not 1000. Duh!

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 8, 2020 7:06 pm

It ruins the CAGW alarmists’ lives when we don’t believe every scrap of BS they dish out. Can’t we be more compassionate toward them? Can’t we just agree with them? Then they’d be happy. And coincidentally, the planet would be saved, the weather would be perfect, the temperature would be perfect, black lives would matter, no police shootings or school shootings or gang shootings or war would ever happen again. No dogs or cats would be killed in shelters. Everyone would be vegan, no animals would ever be killed, again. Moreover, except for the one’s who are aborted, every child would be wanted and loved. All parents would be Good, none would be crackheads or methheads or neglectful, and no child would be brainwashed in schools controlled by teachers unions. The Deep State would love and respect each and every one of us, and an elite of educated bureaucrats would scientifically govern society.

Effin’ Utopians, they probably won’t even understand this sarcasm.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 8, 2020 9:55 pm

The Holocene optimum is when humans finally evolved into civilization

Just took more warmth than today

We are still here because we developed civilization

Warm is good, I live in Canada so I knows

charles wardrop
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 9, 2020 12:24 am

Congratulations, Richard G., for such balanced good sense.
Why/How have the alarmists been able to fool so many people, making their and our climate non-problem existential?

Reply to  charles wardrop
July 9, 2020 8:40 am

As a long time atheist, I.have never worried about going to h e l l … or life on Earth becoming h e l l from global warming.

Most people, in my experience, worry about one of those.

The only thing I worry about is a big UFO hovering over my house and having to defend myself with a softball bat (I don”t have any guns).

I guess people need something to fear.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 9, 2020 12:51 pm

Honestly, fighting off aliens with a softball bat was the best image I’ve gotten all day.

July 8, 2020 2:15 pm

Yes, it’s kind of like vaccine developers worrying that the virus will be gone before they’re ready.


Reply to  Scissor
July 8, 2020 6:44 pm

That why they want to force us out of lock down back into lock down.

July 8, 2020 2:21 pm

“Shifting baselines syndrome” means we could quickly get used to climate chaos.
and twice as quick if it (the climate chaos) never happens.

Walt D.
Reply to  Vuk
July 8, 2020 3:22 pm


July 8, 2020 2:23 pm

The words “climate crisis” imply that we are under threat of an imminent climate related catastrophe. So if we don’t take action, we just carry on indefinitely, that means no catastrophe occurs and there was no crisis to begin with. So then why the need to address the non-existent climate crisis?

Walt D.
Reply to  Art
July 8, 2020 3:25 pm

Climate Crisis, catastrophe = no more grant money = no more lobster and champagne at exotic venues at taxpayer expense. Plus no tenured position to keep publishing poppycock.

Robert of Texas
July 8, 2020 2:33 pm

Oops! There I went…I am used to it (climate change). Oh well, guess I’ll worry about running out of oil again.

July 8, 2020 2:42 pm

I don’t know who this David Roberts is, but he obviously is seriously lacking in weather education. There have been too many times to count in history where there have been several 2-3 sigma events occurring simultaneously. Anybody looking at weather history would point to the 1740/41 period as a particularly active weather factory as an example.

I believe the world, and more so the U.S., has been in a relative dip in significant storms in recent decades. That’s why a Sandy stands out after 40 years in the U.S. Northeast without a similar occurrence (1962 nor’easter; the early ’90s events weren’t quite as damaging), as a new generation came into prominence. Ignorance tends to breed this kind of climate emergency hysteria. If you had responsible people involved in professional bodies, such as research labs, the AMS, the WMO, and academia, this kind of hysteria would be rebutted and quickly dispensed with. Instead, it’s inflamed by so-called professionals with an agenda (and a paycheck and a reputation to “earn”).

Andy Espersen
Reply to  4caster
July 8, 2020 9:59 pm

David Roberts is lacking more than weather education – He is lacking simple intelligence. I wonder what his IQ is. If you read through his verbiage you will note that there is no coherence. He obviously does know plenty of English words – and he knows how to string them together somehow. But he barges around with all his various observations and panic-stricken comments about this, that and the other. And nothing hangs together. The whole article is ridiculous. Forget about it.

Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2020 2:42 pm

If we want to look at a time-line of how the Office of President was debased, let’s go back to January 1998. President Bill Clinton looked America in the eye on live TV and he said, “(I) did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.” A big fat lie.

The Chief Executive getting sex from a 20-something intern who worked for him. Any other senior executive caught in such a relation with a junior employee (married or not) would have been fired immediately by a board of directors. He knew that. He lied his butt off. And what happened???

The liberal media gave him a pass. Why? Because he was a Democrat, like most of them.
It wouldn’t suit them to see him resign in disgrace. At the NYTimes, feminists even wrote Op-Eds defending Clinton. Why? Because he was a Democrat.

Then they attacked Bush Jr mercilessly.

Then alongs comes The Anointed One. The guy whose election was supposed mark, “the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” But all he did for 8 years was lie his ass off. Every single “accomplishment” from The Anointed One was gained through lies, half-truths and deceptions. Every.single.one. From lies and half-truths, to outright deceptions.

And what did the press do? They applauded and protected him at every step. Why? Because he was a Democrat.

When Donald Trump was elected, the press had to do some soul-searching. They seemed to realize by January 2017 that by protecting Obama all those years is what gave us Trump. The Liberal Press promised in 2017 they would hold Presidents accountable from then on. And they have on Trump, in every way and shape possible.

SO are we to believe the Liberal press and media that will now hold all Presidents accountable, like have Trump?
Does their promise of asking them tough questions appear credible? Will they demand accountability, demand the President be honest in all things as they claim.

We can answer that question about the Liberal media today — without having to wait for whoever the next President will be after Trump.
Simply look at how they are giving Senile Joe Biden a pass on tough questions. Look at how the Liberal media are facilitating the gaffe-prone Joe staying hidden in his basement to hide his ever creeping dementia from public awareness. Look at how the Liberal media suddenly threw their weaponized #MeToo #Believeallwomen movement to the curb when it was Creepy Joe Biden being credibly accused by a former staff member Tara Reid of sexual assault.

It wasn’t Trump that destroyed longstanding norms of behavior. It was the Liberal Press deciding that protecting Democrats from bad behavior at all cost is what destroyed norms of behavior.
The Liberal Media has destroyed itself. It has been a self-immolation by their own doing.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2020 3:47 pm

The Democrats don’t care about anything but getting more power which will then allow them to abuse that power to get more power. They don’t care about “Me Too” or Women’s Rights (white women are the second tier in the Identity Politics Hierarchy) or Gay Rights (Gays are men and women so problems there) or Free Speech (SocialMedia Censorship) or BLM, or the people killed the last months in violent protests or Police Brutality (they’ve “owned” every big Police Department in the Country for decades and did nothing), or the Constitution (they hate that) or the Climate….those are all just the tools they use to drive the country towards a Globalist Socialist form of slavery.

Who can’t see that by now?

The Leftist Elite have no Humane “Values” except that they value the power to rule over everyone. If they win, there will be re-education camps and killing fields all over again. They are willing to ruin a Boeing Employee’s life over an article he wrote 30 years ago about Women in Combat….after they get enough power they won’t hesitate to kill him…and since they own the Propaganda Press, nobody would know. These people are starving people in Africa today with their SDG’s (Sustainable Development Goals) that prohibits support for modern agriculture and a real energy infrastructure. Killing innocent people is just mere collateral damage while executing their plans.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2020 3:59 pm

I thought Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) was because of a pathetic helplessness of the press and Dem politicos in the face of Trump’s formidable energy and drive to accomplish what he promised. He saw what the country needed and what needed to be gotten rid of and that became his business plan, something new for politics. Dropping out of the Paris Agreement probably gave rise to TDS.

But this TDS is not so harmless as I formerly thought. The left actually deliberately к¿[[‘d off 10s of thousands of Covid patients in overdose HCQ trials, Dem state governor’s banning of its use for treatment, even intimidating pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions. This dirty work also was done in UK (overdose trials).

The recent article here on surveys of doctors, notes that 85 % of doctors in the world said results of use were positive. Only 45% said this in the US. Hmm, I’d be asking my doctor who he voted for before accepting treatment.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 8, 2020 6:26 pm

If you want evidence of Democrats intentionally k1lling off the weakest and most vulnerable segment of the population, a segment that is past its economically productivity years and thus useless to a Liberal elitist, look no further than Democrat governors’ orders to force COIVD+ patients into nursing homes.
Those governors were Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York, Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California, and Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania, all of them signed off on Executive orders for their state to force nursing homes to accept corona virus+ patients. The results were horrifically predictable, a modern day genocide courtesy of Liberal America.

Any claim that they didn’t realize how devastating those orders would be is completely undermined by Pennsylvania’s own State Health Secretary Rachel Levines taking her own mother out of a nursing home in advance of that order. She knew what was coming.


That article is from mid-May. At the time it was written, such facilities in Pennsylvania had accounted for more than two-thirds of all COVID+ deaths — 2,896 out of 4,218 — statewide.

And what has the Liberal media done to hold them to account?? crickets.

Just like they are unwilling to hold Senile Joe Biden to any kind of cognitive health standard… because it all about defeating Donald Trump at any cost. No matter how great. Democrats, the hard Left Liberals and their Liberal media lap dogs (like Vox here) are truly despicable and deserving of the utmost contempt.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 9, 2020 6:39 am

Which overdose trials were these?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 12, 2020 7:47 pm

President Clinton always wanted to be known as “the health care president,” but lost out on the opportunity by turning the task over to his less-than-competent wife.

I know this is true, because a friend of mine on his staff once confided to me that the only reason President Clinton was interested in Monica Lewinsky was that she had acute angina.

At least, I think that’s what he said…

July 8, 2020 2:43 pm

Finally a climate activist who realizes that engineers will be able to design around extreme weather. This planet has always been a dangerous place to live. We have learned to build so as to survive earth quakes on the west coast, tornado’s in the mid west and hurricanes on the east coast. If a maybe problem of extreme weather does appear in certain areas we can build designs for that area. And if no extreme weather appears, we have saved a lot of money.

July 8, 2020 2:57 pm

If it’s something that we can get used to, then it isn’t a problem in the first place.

Andy Pattullo
July 8, 2020 3:02 pm

“Climate Chaos“ isn’t really that bad if it is already happening. Even the IPPC tells us there are no upward trends in any adverse weather events. The planet is greening dramatically. We grow more food on less land. By every metric human life is increasing and thriving. Natural spaces are increasing, many previously endangered species are increasing, we aren’t running out of energy as long predicted, we are living longer, we solved most of the important environmental issues in western democracies and can anticipate the same in other nations as they reach higher levels of development. All the hype about population explosion seems for nought as the population will peak mid century at a level easily supported by our improving technology and systems.
This isn’t what I understood by the term “chaos” but I like what I see. Maybe I have “shifting baseline syndrome” or maybe I didn’t drink enough
Kool aide.

Rick C PE
July 8, 2020 3:08 pm

If the climate hysterics get their way and create a grid highly dependent on unreliables, when it collapses for an extended period during an extreme heat wave or cold snap, will the deaths that result be due to weather or stupidity?

Reply to  Rick C PE
July 8, 2020 3:50 pm

They will be due to the Coronavirus.

Reply to  DocSiders
July 8, 2020 5:04 pm

And blamed on the most prominent innocent conservative bystander, preferably Republican.

July 8, 2020 3:08 pm

Progressive relativists are so certain and dogmatic about their pet narratives, totally contradicting their relativistic indoctrination. Climate stochasticism has such a nice ring to it. Come ye proglodytes and woketards! Return to your roots and embrace uncertainty.

July 8, 2020 3:10 pm

“President Trump has degraded and discarded longstanding norms of presidential behavior with astonishing speed and recklessness, but it has proven incredibly difficult for the press and the public to assess his record based on pre-Trump baselines. This is why people are always asking, “What if Obama did this?” They are trying to ask, “Why have we shifted our moral and political baselines so quickly?””

Haha. Trump is a ninja master in the art of mindfuck.

July 8, 2020 3:11 pm

“What if Americans simply accommodate themselves to thousands of coronavirus deaths a day?”

What if Americans realized that COVID-19 deaths have been trending steadily down from the heights in April?

COVID All % of
Week Deaths Causes Average
2/1/2020 0 58283 98
2/8/2020 1 58998 99
2/15/2020 0 58203 99
2/22/2020 5 58134 100
2/29/2020 5 58400 102
3/7/2020 33 58621 101
3/14/2020 52 57646 101
3/21/2020 555 58469 103
3/28/2020 3061 62372 112
4/4/2020 9530 71211 127
4/11/2020 15734 77982 141
4/18/2020 16394 75383 139
4/25/2020 14168 71677 133
5/2/2020 11753 66589 124
5/9/2020 10857 64694 122
5/16/2020 8889 61686 117
5/23/2020 6863 58141 111
5/30/2020 5758 55143 106
6/6/2020 4443 53397 101
6/13/2020 3433 50554 96
6/20/2020 2287 44367 82
6/27/2020 743 31694 50
7/4/2020 177 13314 16
Death Totals 114,741 1,324,958 104


The % of Average compares actual deaths from all causes to average deaths for that week in previous years. Note that all of these numbers are subject to revision over time, especially the more recent ones.

Apologies if the formatting is problematic.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
July 8, 2020 4:10 pm

I was wondering about fatality rates.

The MSM and WHO have been bleating about the exponential increases in cases (ignoring the exponential increase in testing), but are silent on fatality rates. I suspected this was due to rapidly falling fatality rates. Now I see that it is.

Thank you.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 8, 2020 5:20 pm

Just more of the same “if they died with sars-2 they died from covid” BS.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 8, 2020 7:21 pm

Gee Steven, do ya’ think that might be happening in Peoples Republic In Kalifornia too?

That’s Yellow Journalism at its finest.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 8, 2020 7:25 pm

What’s that supposed to mean, “go Texas,” you bigoted snob of a trolling English professor?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tiger Bee Fly
July 8, 2020 8:14 pm

is sarcasm lost on you TBF?

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 9, 2020 5:20 am

What are you talking about? I knew it was sarcasm, translated it to mean “dumbass deplorables,” and responded appropriately.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 9, 2020 9:59 am

Even sarcasm can be used to insult.
In this case, it was.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 8, 2020 8:19 pm

go texas

Uh oh, look at the Mosher Manster! Trollin’ Texas are ya there Big Boy? Maybe you’re feelin’ some geeewwdness about all that dyin’ is that it?

Looks like it:

haha, gotta love me some texas screw ups


ridem cowboy dave… woohoo.


Yeah, that’s right . . . there ya go BUDROW . . . got yer death on and that’s gotcha feelin’ all super-duper-do-the-smarty-pants-dance and such ain’t it buddy?

Cuz that’s what Cuz boyz do innit? Rejoice over death?

But wait a sec – from your source:

“The rise in at-home deaths may also reflect people who are afraid to go to the hospital because of COVID-19, and who die of heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and other conditions not tied to the coronavirus, Faust said.”

Huh, what!?


No matter. Look at ya behavin’ like the little hermunculus b*tch you’ve become (always were) . . .

What say you?

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  sycomputing
July 9, 2020 5:40 am

Thanks for the links. Guy has a thing about Texans, doesn’t he? I always knew there was something I really, really detested about him.

Reply to  Tiger Bee Fly
July 9, 2020 5:49 pm


Guy has a thing about Texans, doesn’t he?

Yeah I think he’s probably just butt-hurt at David Middleton for making fun of him, and DM’s been living rent-free in his head ever since.

Him’s a sensitive boy!

Michael Jankowski
July 8, 2020 3:21 pm

Sounds like adaptation and good news to me.

“…What if Americans simply accommodate themselves to thousands of coronavirus deaths a day?…”

They won’t. And they are very much looking forward to the end of coronavirus impacts. What a stupid question.

Gary Pearse
July 8, 2020 3:21 pm

“…But at some point, the severity of the problem will become self-evident, sweeping away any remaining doubt or hesitation and prompting a wave of action.”

Or Not! Highly likely not. Empirically, well over half of the warming since the Industrial Revolution took place (climate “new shifting bsseline”) occurred before 1940.

When the Super el Niño of 1998 failed to set a new world record, Hansen (GISS) had his underlings push down the peak of 1930s-40s by half a degree C to get rid of two things. A theory falsifying situation where, a) most warming couldn’t be tied to CO2 rise to 1940, and b) the “Ice Age Cometh” (IAC), 35 years of cooling that erased the warming that had occurred to 1940 in the face of galloping CO2 rise. Indeed, the reason the 1998 high didn’t set a warming record is because the rise from 1975 was all recovery from the depths of the IAC.

This recovery, folks, is the two decades that created what the Climate Wroughters made into the Catastrophic Anthropo Global Warming sleight of hand. So from 1910, it warmed for ~30+ years, then cooled for 30 years and then warmed for about 30yrs, the latter 10yrs of it slowed giving us an 18yr T Pause, lasting as long as the warming that Wroughters had made into an end-of world crisis.

Yeah, Vox, the shifting baselines are for sure the reason this turkey is dead.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 8, 2020 4:01 pm

Absolutely shifting baselines make a difference. Using a 1600-7000 baseline highlights the Arctic and Northern Hemisphere warming that took place before the 1940s. Using the 1961-1990 baseline hides past warming periods like the MWP and emphasizes the present day hockey stick. Same datasets, different baselines.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 8, 2020 6:13 pm

When one considers the wholesale adjustments to raw data by NASA that seem to extend worldwide …
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… the GISTEMP record from 1880 bears as much resemblance to fact as Mr Bean’s version does to the original:
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July 8, 2020 3:30 pm

“What if Americans simply accommodate themselves to thousands of coronavirus deaths a day? ”
“In 2017, an average of 7,708 deaths occurred each day. January, February, and December were the months with the highest average daily number of deaths (8,478, 8,351, and 8,344, respectively). June, July, and August were the months with the lowest average daily number of deaths (7,298, 7,157, and 7,158, respectively).”
Or when season is colder, US has about thousand more deaths of per day.
For last month US has had less than 1000 deaths per day from the coronavirus:
US never had month higher than 2000 deaths per day from coronavirus, so expecting thousands per day is unlikely, but let’s consider a possibility of a year average of about a 1000 per day over the entire year- worst in winter and less in summer.
Well, have been dealing with 7,708 deaths per day. If had 1000 per day from coronavirus, we probably less deaths from some other cause. So you would not have 7,708 deaths per day + 1000 deaths from coronavirus. As wild guess it could be 7,708 + 500 deaths, and people dying a bit earlier due to coronavirus. Or it’s lowering average life expectancy by small amount. Main aspect of coronavirus is it kill mostly people over 60 years. If had 1000 people per day killed who less 50 year old, it would be closer to 7,708 + 1000 and would have bigger effect on average life expectancy.
How many people die related to a cause related to being in hospital:
“A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.”
Let’s pick number of 365,000 per day, or 1000 per day. Probably such people dying on average at lower age than deaths from coronavirus. More young and fairly healthy could killed more by medical errors as compared a 1000 deaths per day from coronavirus which imagined might possible.
So have living with worse than the imagined future of high coronavirus deaths.
Of course due to poor governments, and higher murder rates that have been occuring, I worry more about bad government, killing more people, because in has killed more during recent times of coronavirus.
Defund the police. Is quite bad and stupid.
Now defund the police unions, would a lot smarter government policy. But let’s just give the police the choice of being part of a police union or not.
Or whole basis of this wacky idea, was that police were defunded, as way to getting rid of a police union. Or it was just changing the name- they didn’t defund the police, they got rid of legal name of police- thereby invaliding Union contracts.
Or whole defund the police is frantic and senseless attempt to avoid the problem of having to recognize the elephant in the room of dysfunctional and corrupt police unions. {which doesn’t allow the firing bad and/or incompetent cops.
Same issue with teacher unions and all public unions. If want do something deaths, eliminate all unions}

Reply to  gbaikie
July 8, 2020 5:12 pm

Yes. The public in general, but especially leftist “journalists,” are innumerate. Globally, deaths are only about 3% higher than is normal.

In terms of black deaths caused by police, 100 times more black youth are killed by other black during during shoe robbery. If cops would carry around a couple dozen pair of the hottest basketball shoes and hand them out after some incident, they might get away with some misdeeds.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  gbaikie
July 8, 2020 6:04 pm

See the comment from Ralph above. The total fatality rate from all causes in the USA has been 104% so far this year compared to previous years. I suspect that will drop as many of those would have only been hastened by a few months.

I would not be surprised if the total fatality rate for 2020 ends up very little over 100% of the average. If not, then 2020+2021.

July 8, 2020 3:39 pm

As they say “The only thing to fear is fear itself”
The news media continually stoke fear and so many people end up worrying about where the world is heading.
Global warming has been an imagined threat for the last 30 years.
Commentators and scientists who should know better continually broadcast that the climate is getting wilder and deaths destruction and from climate related incidents are rising .
This is a blatant lie as climate related deaths and destruction have been trending lower over time.
Activists and Green politicians keep stoking fear of what may happen in the future to try and get populations to change their way of life and vote for politicians who promise to fix our problems .
The solutions that the greens propose are unworkable as modern civilization depends on plentiful affordable energy .
That is a fact and as soon as energy prices are pushed up costs of every product rises and every one is worse off .
It is like the turkey voting for Christmas ,

July 8, 2020 3:51 pm

Coronavirus will eventually pass into history. Climate and weather have always been with us and we have successfully adapted to them. This is very alarming for the Alarmists.

July 8, 2020 3:52 pm

They will be due to the Coronavirus.

July 8, 2020 3:58 pm

What, if there will an asteorid falling on earth ?
We didn’t care enough about, that will be a chaos.
Ok, shit happens 😀 prepared or not.
CO2 reduction isn’t a goal,leads to nothong and and an asteroid shild isn’t available.
Better we will prepare us for the chaos 😀

Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 8, 2020 5:07 pm

No Thong….I’m up for that!

Reply to  Kalashnikat
July 8, 2020 5:34 pm

A ‘thong’ where I come from is half of a a pair of flip-flops.
There is an old joke about a street dweller who walked into a pub wearing one thong on his foot.
The barman asked him – “did you lose a thong mate?”
The street dweller replied – “no mate, found one”

Reply to  Kalashnikat
July 8, 2020 5:46 pm

Has anyone yet considered wearing a thong for a face mask? I have.

Reply to  icisil
July 8, 2020 7:25 pm

Me too, but only when my girlfriend’s still wearing it.

Reply to  Kalashnikat
July 9, 2020 10:02 am

My wife was reading about Samson in here Bible and she came to me with a question.
She had just read about Samson being tied up with thongs, and she wanted to know why they were using under wear to tie him up.

July 8, 2020 5:55 pm

The Climate Changes as NATURE dictates — get used to that!

Reply to  tom0mason
July 8, 2020 6:27 pm

Yeah, even her Choice is subordinated to Her Choice.

John Robertson
July 8, 2020 6:01 pm

50 000 years,that we know of,and counting.
Gee who knew the human species could adapt to a changing environment?
I seem to recall,back in the dark ages of the enlightenment,that the change to Ice Age conditions may have been the trigger for human intelligence.

Tiger Bee Fly
July 8, 2020 7:07 pm

Coming from a part of the world where May blizzards were nothing out of the ordinary and no one ever suggested it was “weird,“ I’ve lived with climate chaos my entire life. I’m sure most of us know that the worst hurricane to ever make landfall in the United States was 120 years ago bu as I’ve always said, nobody had figured out how to monetize the weather yet, never mind use it as a rationale for oppression.

Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2020 7:17 pm

If you could please find my comment #3031552 from the bitbucket thanks in advance. Nothing in it should warrant its disappearance.
Seems WordPress has some filters to keep out pertinent COVID criticism of certain Demorats.

Craig from Oz
July 8, 2020 8:15 pm

Disappointing article.

He started reasonably well. Opened with Global Warming(tm), managed to devote a solid paragraph or two on Orange Man Bad, named dropped someone we have never heard of both to reinforce his social circle and make us feel inferior for not being as well read as him and then… well… Fluffed the landing.

Where was the racism? Where was the male toxic? Where was the gender equality unironically intertwined with the call for those who reject gender norms to be recognised? Not a single Toxic Man Baby or InCel or suggestion that you can’t comment on The Last of Us Pt 2 (aka Golf Simulator 2020) until you have played the full game?

Honestly David is going to get the Cancel Police kicking in his door at 3am if he keeps this up.

Also I will deal with Climate Change by buying a new jumper. Until then I have loans to repay.

Climate believer
July 9, 2020 2:38 am

What’s the point of posting this Vox political bloggers opinion piece here? It just get’s people riled up. You could fill WUWT to the brim with cr@p like this all day and everyday, but why?
Nobody cares what this dumb@rse thinks, there’s no value to it, and he’ll probably get a perverted kick out of it.

Look at this guys twitter and you can see he’s just a lefty shill for a political party,

David Roberts tweet:
“The thing about a human skidmark like Cucker Tarlson is, he wins when we talk about him. He wins by being mentioned in the same sentence as an honorable person like Tammy Duckworth. He wins by having his constipated face on TV at all. If he crosses your mind, he wins.”

Bruce Cobb
July 9, 2020 4:23 am

The real shifting baseline are the lies and the cries of doom the Climate Liars like Roberts are telling. Tell a lie (the bigger the better) often enough, and it becomes the truth, paraphrasing Goebbels. In fact, I just had a great idea: there should be a prize awarded each year for the biggest, baddest Climate Liar. It could be called the (wait for it)
Goebbel Prize.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 9, 2020 6:15 am

“I just had a great idea: there should be a prize awarded each year for the biggest, baddest Climate Liar. It could be called the (wait for it) Goebbel Prize.”

I like that idea!

Now, does the person nominated need to be a deliberate liar, or does a dupe (useful idiot) qualify? We’ll have to work that out. No doubt there will be plenty of “qualified” nominees, even if limited to deliberate liars.

July 9, 2020 4:25 am

The temperature outside my house goes up and down nearly 11°C every day, the insolition varies by more than 1000w/m², the atmospheric moisture can change by more than 22g/m³ and the wind can switch directions in 5 seconds with a total delta of 12m/s without any need for a storm’s presence.

I sincerely doubt having the temp go from 1°C to 34°C in 3 hours every day with torrential rains would even make me blink.

There were no spelling errors in this post.

John Shotsky
July 9, 2020 4:37 am

Does anyone actually think we can control the weather? We can’t. Does anyone think that we can control the climate? We can’t, BECAUSE climate is an average of weather over 30 years. If you can’t control weather, you can’t control climate. Co2? Huh? A trace gas that cannot possibly impact the weather, thus the climate. What a house of cards this whole Co2 thing is. Blame the IPCC – it is their only JOB to identify how humans are causing climate to change. If we aren’t doing it, then they don’t have a job. Talk about protecting your job – what would you expect them to do? Their claim that humans can control the climate miss the point that we would have to be able to control the weather FIRST.

Tom Abbott
July 9, 2020 6:30 am

From the article: “For as long as I’ve followed global warming, advocates and activists have shared a certain faith: When the impacts get really bad, people will act.

Maybe it will be an especially destructive hurricane, heat wave, or flood. Maybe it will be multiple disasters at once. But at some point, the severity of the problem will become self-evident, sweeping away any remaining doubt or hesitation and prompting a wave of action.”

You have it correct: At some point the severity of the problem will become self-evident. If there is a problem.

The problem with the Alarmists promoting this scaremongering is the weather is not doing anything unusual, so there is no problem that becomes self-evident.

The Earth has severe weather all the time, around the globe, but it is nothing unprecendented. For every severe weather event we experience today, we can find one just as severe or even more severe in the past, when CO2 was not an issue.

The real problem for the Alarmists is the weather is not cooperating with their scaremongering. The Alarmists are crying Wolf, when there is no Wolf. And then they wonder why people are not worried about the Wolf.

Tom Abbott
July 9, 2020 6:42 am

From the article: “What is the unending debate over the “normalization” of Trump but a debate over shifting baselines?”

The Left debates whether they should describe Trump as a human being or not. They feel they can’t “normalize” Trump because if people see him as a normal human being then others might vote for him.

So nothing about Trump can be seen as normal by the Left. They equate Trump to Adolf Hitler, and saying anything complementary about Trump, is to them, the same thing as saying something complementary about Adolf Hitler.

They have demonized Trump in their own minds so much that they can’t think of him as a normal human being. The entire Left is immersed in this Huge Delusion. The radical Left does not live in the same world the rest of us live in. They live in a world of self-delusion.

It must be horrible to look at the world the way a Leftist does. It is obviously mentally debilitating, and probably affects their physical health, too. They may really go off the Deep End if Trump wins in November. Lots of counseling needs to be arranged in advance.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 9, 2020 8:36 am

There’s an old saying that still rings true:
Conservatives see liberals as stupid.
Liberals see conservatives as evil.

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 9, 2020 2:26 pm

Oh, they’ll go off the deep end all right. In fact they did the moment he announced his candidacy, and what’s happening right now in places like Seattle and Portland is just the dress rehearsal for what will come if he wins again. Mark my word.

The “Hitler” trope is particularly good; I’ll always fondly remember Louis CK saying that Trump is the same as Hitler – just before it became public knowledge that he was exposing himself and whacking off in front of young women he cornered at parties. Celebrities: your moral and intellectual betters! 😀

July 9, 2020 8:19 am

Fluid flow is turbulent.
Climate is chaotic.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 9, 2020 9:30 am

Homo sapiens have had approximately 200,000 years to “get used to” the extremes (climate chaos) of Earth’s climate under the current Quaternary “Ice Age”.

Over the last 800,000 years, the interval from global “glacial” conditions to global “interglacial” conditions and then back to global glacial conditions averages to be about 100,000 years. Thus, humans have experienced about two full glacial/interglacial cycles.

July 9, 2020 9:58 am

“If we wait for ecological change to thrust itself into the consciousness of ordinary Americans, we may be waiting forever.”

This is the phrase that jumped out at me. ‘ordinary Americans’ are the problem. They need to be taken care of by those who are not ordinary. ‘Ordinary American’ is code for ‘deplorable’; it is code for ‘too stupid to be allowed to vote’. IE, democracy is the real problem.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Fran
July 11, 2020 3:40 pm

Fran, don’t overlook the fact that “ordinary Americans” is likewise code for “ultimate source of funding”.

The real issue then, for politicians and the-sky-is-falling activists, is how to extract that funding while at the same time keeping the “ordinary Americans” from participating in the process.

Along these lines, I am reminded of this quote:
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexander Fraser Tytler (but frequently misattributed to Alexis de Tocqueville)

July 9, 2020 4:12 pm

Like we’ve “got used” to snow that “was never going to fall again”?

July 9, 2020 6:25 pm

This is why people are always asking, “What if Obama did this?”

I haven’t every met anyone who always asks “what if Obama was still doing stupid shit?”

But just for the hell of it, what would the mainstream media do if Obama:

*said there were 57 States in the Union?

*choreographed a very quiet delivery of a billion dollars in cash to a foreign country?

*claimed that a Presidential Act was illegal … and then did it anyway?

*slipped $500 million to the UN two days before he left office?

*used the IRS to target and slow political groups he disagreed with?

* Said out loud, in public: “No, no. I have been practicing…I bowled a 129. It’s like — it was like “Special Olympics”, or something.”

*said Hawaii was a part of Asia?

*used the DOJ to spy on journalists?

*used the FBI to spy on a opposing party presidential candidate?

What did “they” say when Obama did all of the above?

July 13, 2020 6:42 am

“That is indeed a scary possibility. But there is a scarier possibility, in many ways more plausible: We never really wake up at all”

And a possibility even scarier than that is this: We wake up to the reality that the climate scare is just bunch of Hoo Haa. There is no there there. Kind of like Oakland California. (Gertrude Stein)

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