How pandemics are linked to climate change

Video from the LA times (gag)

Environmental factors including deforestation, air pollution and urbanization contribute to the severity of pandemics like COVID-19. Experts warn that if we continue to destroy the environment, future pandemics could become more common.
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John Bruyn
May 25, 2020 2:14 am

F…wits will always try to blame whatever happens on natural climate variability and call that climate change. Air pollution and CO2 emissions are two very different thing. One needs to be addressed the other can be ignored. You can find me on Quora to work out what is really happening.

Greg
Reply to  John Bruyn
May 25, 2020 6:08 am

Ah , I get it, bats infected pangolins, pangolins infected polar bears and polar bears were sold at a “wet market” in Wuhan.

Many thanks to the LA LoonyTimes for this key element. I had failed to realise where polar bears came into the sars-cov-2 pandemic until now.

So apparently there is not need to look at biosecurity at P4 biolabs, no need to have a very close look at the risks and benefits of deliberately mutating viruses to attack our own organism, all we need to do is keep chanting the “zero carbon” matra and all other problems will disappear.

Kenji
Reply to  Greg
May 25, 2020 9:52 am

The best tasting fish come from ice cold waters. I suspect the same is true for bear meat? I look forward to trying some tasty Polar Bear meat at the Alaska frozen wet market. Thanks for asking, but no … I don’t need the bear’s gall bladder for those kind of male problems … I’m quite healthy in all departments.

May 25, 2020 2:28 am

Linking CO2 to ‘Climate Change’ is silly and totally unproven but linking ‘Climate Change’ to deforestation, air pollution and urbanization and on to pandemics like COVID-19 is peak stupidity.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
May 25, 2020 5:23 am

Sadly it appears there is no peak stupidity. None of this can be combated with rational argument or evidence.
“Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.” – Orwell

Bryan A
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
May 25, 2020 9:23 am

You can link a changing Local Climate to deforestation though just look at Kilimanjaro and the changes there due to deforestation

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
May 25, 2020 5:52 am

The increase in anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere means that the percentage of O2 is correspondingly less, which could indicate a causal effect seen in the increase of confused thinking and poor logic. The insane conclusions that every unfortunate thing is climate change driven may be the caused by climate change. This theory could be studied if you send money.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
May 25, 2020 7:34 am

‘If you send money?’
Isn’t it handed over already?

Redge
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
May 26, 2020 2:01 am

“If you send more money”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
May 25, 2020 8:09 am

“Urbanization”

Now they want to tell us where to live, I guess.

czechlist
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 25, 2020 9:58 am

No, Tom. Where to die.
Densely populated areas are where COVID19 has proven most deadly.

Luke
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
May 25, 2020 10:42 am

Plandemic is correct terminology of the LATimes article. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on now that we’re behind every other country with respect to reopening. It ain’t about getting sick and might’ve never been, but it’s totally inexcusable not to get this country open unless the objective is something else that has nothing to do with getting sick. Like, plandemic.

fred250
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
May 25, 2020 2:05 pm

” is peak stupidity.”

You assume too much. !

May 25, 2020 2:31 am

This whole video is complete BS (bull crap). When they said the pandemic is the result of climate change I bailed.

– JPP

MarkW
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 25, 2020 6:58 am

As every good climate scientist knows, there were no pandemics prior to the invention of the SUV.

May 25, 2020 2:35 am

I see this kind of desperation as good news. That’s how squeezed they are. They played all their cards. That got them nowhere. All they have left is the covid. The writing is on the wall. Time to move on to the next eco wacko movement. This one’s done!

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/04/29/numnut-un-bureaucrat/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Chaamjamal
May 25, 2020 8:17 am

“The writing is on the wall.”

I think you are correct, although we should probably expect extensive death throes. They won’t give up easily (lots of money and personal committment involved). But I think it is inevitable, since they have no evidence on which to base their claims, and it doesn’t look like there is going to be any evidence that vindicates them. They’ve looked long and hard and haven’t found anything to hang their hats on. So they resort to making things up using their computer models, which don’t reflect reality.

Assertions is all the Alarmists have. Assertions are not Science. They don’t prove anything.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Chaamjamal
May 25, 2020 8:35 am

Sorry, but we’ve been saying the same thing for a couple of decades. I don’t think they’ll ever be done.

LdB
May 25, 2020 2:38 am

So the Spanish flu and Black Plague were caused by climate change 🙂

I guess that is one up from blaming some religious deity like they did back in the dark ages, so what shall we say the LA times is slightly more enlightened than the dark ages.

Disputin
Reply to  LdB
May 25, 2020 5:29 am

Welllll…

In the case of the Black Death, its first appearance (in Europe) coincided with the start of falling temperatures from the Medieval Warm Period, leaving people vulnerable because of malnutrition, and the American Flu (to give it its proper name) followed a cold snap. So there was a Climate Change in both cases. Unfortunately, the climate changes continuously, so its makes it really really difficult to draw any conclusions.

LdB
Reply to  Disputin
May 25, 2020 6:09 am

You are either failing at humor or just plain stupid, hard to say which. The cause of both is well known and documented by science and doesn’t require made up junk.

Disputin
Reply to  LdB
May 25, 2020 7:15 am

Well, if you find it difficult, just forget it.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Disputin
May 25, 2020 7:58 am

Sorry it is the WuFlu from China. No amount of political correctness is going to change the flu’s origin. Even in your comment though you point out that colder is bad and warm is better. That is something I’ve been saying for the last 32 years since this global warming crap started back in 1988.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Disputin
May 25, 2020 8:38 am

“the American Flu (to give it its proper name)”

I assume you’ve talking about the Spanish Flu. One theory is that it originated in the US, but there are several other theories. Bottom line, we don’t know where it originated.

Knr
Reply to  Disputin
May 25, 2020 11:16 am

Not according to Mann in his climate change denial.

Mac
Reply to  LdB
May 25, 2020 9:16 am

Ldb, And the Russian flu 1892/ Asian flu 1957/Hong Kong flu 1968/69 pandemics

Editor
May 25, 2020 2:41 am

The video is only 5 minutes long, but I had to stop it in less than one, for fear of catching the most contagious disease running rampant in recent decades: stupidity.

Stay safe and healthy, all.
Bob

Ron Long
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 25, 2020 5:28 am

Bob, I wish I had read your comment first (before watching video), it might have saved me from a self-inflicted mental injury. Stay sane and safe (I’m trying!).

Rich Davis
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 25, 2020 12:49 pm

Then you might have missed the reporter continuously nodding like one of those drinking bird toys even before the climastrogist started to answer. And the “Energy Reporter”…what a hoot

It’s a gag all right

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2020 12:49 pm

Climastrologist

David Hood
May 25, 2020 2:49 am

I dropped my prying pan – while thinking about climate change – so they are connected – right?
I got Covid 19 while watching a movie about green energy – so they’re connected too – right??
Sheez – when will it end??

Newt2u
May 25, 2020 3:30 am

At first I thought it satire… how can manybody be so stupid!

Disputin
Reply to  Newt2u
May 25, 2020 5:31 am

I thought so too. Are you sure it wasn’t?

Greg
Reply to  Disputin
May 25, 2020 6:17 am

As has often been pointed out , it is impossible to parody the climate warmists since parody is based on reductio ad absurdum . The trouble is they got to absurdum first and planted their flag and are now defending a heavily fortified position.

Absurdum is the hill they have chosen to die on. They will defend it to the last man .

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Greg
May 25, 2020 8:21 am

“Absurdum is the hill they have chosen to die on. They will defend it to the last man .”

That’s a good way to put it, Greg. 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
May 25, 2020 10:44 am

man??

They will defend it to the last metro sexual.

Carl Friis-Hansen
May 25, 2020 3:31 am

Instead of fat polar bears in cold weather, I want to see giraffes or something related to a warmer climate.
We still live our lives here in Sweden, despite all the fear of CoVid-19, which has caused a lousy and cold month of May. – Oh sorry, it is surely the cold May that exacerbates the CoVid-19, right?

fretslider
May 25, 2020 3:35 am

When religions collide:

Experts warn that if we continue to destroy the environment, future pandemics could become more common

Stop climate change, or die of a horrible disease.

…one evangelical pastor insists that we are now seeing an eleventh plague – a punishment from God for humanity’s sins.
https://www.themonastery.org/blog/the-eleventh-plague-pastor-claims-coronavirus-gods-punishment-for-sin

Stop climate change, or die of a horrible disease.

They seem equally insane to me.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  fretslider
May 25, 2020 8:26 am

From the article: “Experts warn that if we continue to destroy the environment”

In what way are we destroying the environment? By adding CO2 to the atmosphere? I wish I knew if that was what they were referring to, and then I could start to ridicule the idea. That would seem to be the context, so let me add that CO2 is not a pollutant and will not destroy the environment.

Anyone who thinks so is ignorant of the facts.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  fretslider
May 25, 2020 11:39 am

The logic is the same. They just worship different gods.

Bloke down the pub
May 25, 2020 3:36 am

Deforestation linked to climate change? Why, yes it is! Because numbskull climate alarmists think that it’s a good idea to cut down trees to burn them, in order to avoid burning fossil fuels.

Redge
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
May 26, 2020 2:06 am

And then deny it was their idea in the first place

Ron Long
May 25, 2020 3:37 am

Charles Rotter tricked me into watching the LA Times video and it was not a good way to start the morning. Wait a minute, I have found a new hero in the Climate Change War: Sammy Roth: Energy Reporter for the LA Times! Since I was thinking “Where did this commie get his college degree?” I looked it up. Wait for it…Columbia! Bachelor of ARTS in Sustainable Development. That’s right, at Columbia Sustainable Development is alongside fairy dancing and pretend acting! OK, my bad for watching the whole thing, but ARTS? Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life on this planet. Stay sane and safe.

Reply to  Ron Long
May 25, 2020 4:19 am

Ron Long May 25, 2020 at 3:37 am
Charles Rotter tricked me into watching the LA Times video and it was not a good way to start the morning. Wait a minute, I have found a new hero in the Climate Change War: Sammy Roth: Energy Reporter for the LA Times! Since I was thinking “Where did this commie get his college degree?” I looked it up. Wait for it…Columbia! Bachelor of ARTS in Sustainable Development.

Ron Long knows about Columbia University but here’s some info for those that don’t

https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/28/columbia-climate/

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/06/24/cjr/

And here’s something about sustainable development. Sounds benign doesn’t it? Kind of like family planning.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/03/06/sdg/

mikewaite
Reply to  Ron Long
May 25, 2020 4:22 am

I tried to look up the actual course at Columbia to see what the modules were like and how much hard science and engineering is involved along with politics and economics. I think that this might be the course :
https://sipa.columbia.edu/
SIPA International Affairs / Sustainable Development

INAF U4729 Alternative energy resouces
INAF U4733 Environmental policy practicum
INAF U4735 Environmental science for decision makers
SDEV U6240 Environmental science for sustainable development
(the spelling or typing errors in the above were on the original web page , not added by me- for once).
I wonder how deeply INAFU4735 and SDEVU6240 go into the basic physics and chemistry of the atmosphere as distinct from statistical analysis of accepted data from Govt sources.

Planning Engineer
Reply to  mikewaite
May 25, 2020 4:56 am

What would be interesting to see is tests from any of the “technical” coursed required for this degree. Basic level physics, math, chemistry and engineering courses usually appear impenetrable to those who haven’t learned a bit. I’d suspect these courses, if they have class tests, probably call for argument, regurgitation and speculation. Maybe my speculation is off here, but I’d be glad to be proved wrong.

HD Hoese
Reply to  mikewaite
May 25, 2020 7:43 am

The question of science course accreditation in “environmental science” is a very important area that should be explored. First it was watered down education courses, not all but too many and some have been trying to improve, then it was non-major science courses because it was too difficult for education majors (actual dean of education comment), and some science departments (how many?) went research crazy and started teaching mostly for MDs and PhDs, the former not so new, which gave non-major incentives to dumb down more.

Of course, other things were happening also, Environmental Science books became popular, check out Miller’s Living in the Environment where he admitted becoming indoctrinated (1966). After a seminar he said in his introduction “After 6 months of study I was convinced of the seriousness of the problem.” To his credit there is a lot of information in his book that could be used in a decent course and the 1960s did have lots of real pollution but there were available non-advocacy sources. But the theme is Part I “Humans and Nature:..1 Environmental Problems and their causes.” And of course “sustainability” as if it was a new discovery. Anyone working within “environmental science” needs a non-political background in biology, geology, physics and chemistry before this. Look at the (choose adjective?) expansion tree in university departments, courses, and degrees.

Along with this we had even better trained scientists longing for making policy and a plethora of pessimism. And political exploitation.

MarkW
Reply to  Ron Long
May 25, 2020 7:02 am

It’s appropriate to put this degree under the school of ARTS. After all it’s pure fiction from beginning to end.

Kevin Fine
May 25, 2020 3:50 am

I am surprised it took them this long. I expected this weeks ago. COVID musta shook ’em up a bit.

ozspeaksup
May 25, 2020 3:55 am

I lasted 57seconds
the (gag) ws correct ,Charles:-)
agw was why covid killed so many?
nah age bad health priorly and obesity would the top 3

Bro. Steve
May 25, 2020 4:01 am

That explains why there were no plagues before the industrial revolution!

Doug Huffman
May 25, 2020 4:03 am

Gag, the subject or the predicate. The imperative or the adjective.

Charles Nelson
May 25, 2020 4:05 am

But this is a good insight into their psychology.
This is a form of psychosis…

Oldseadog
May 25, 2020 4:14 am

If they really knew what they were talking about they wouldn’t have used pictures of Polar Bears which are apparently doing very well at present.
First class foot-shooting exercise.

DHR
May 25, 2020 4:35 am

So the COVID-19 problem in New York came from Europe because travellers from China were restricted by Trump but not those from Milan. New York’s problem had nothing to do with placing sick patients in old folks homes by order of the Governor. And the disease in Milan came from ?? but not the hundreds of Chinese that fly to and from the city daily because Milan is the center of the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative for Europe.

So it’s all Trump’s fault. Got it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DHR
May 25, 2020 8:38 am

“So it’s all Trump’s fault. Got it.”

I heard today about a new study put out by Columbia University that claims that Trump delayed shutting down travel from China for two weeks longer than he should have, which ended up costing 50,000 American lives.

Well, let’s review:

President Trump shut down travel from China on Jan. 31, 2020. Two weeks prior to that, when the study says Trump should have stopped China traffic, it was the WHO and China who announced on Jan. 14, 2020, that the Wuhan virus was not capable of being transmitted human to human. So Columbia seems to think that Trump should have stopped all traffic from China even though the authorities there were saying there was no infectious disease in China. What did Columbia know that noone else knew?

More partisan, political BS from the Left. I think Trump put out a tweet this morning slamming the study as being political. That’s the state of (political) science at our universities today. It’s all political.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 25, 2020 10:46 am

Of course the same liberals who are now screaming that Trump should have acted earlier, at the time were screaming that Trump was over reacting.

Robertvd
May 25, 2020 4:46 am

For those who understand Dutch
https://youtu.be/rlnfnsFz6c8

‘Coronabeleid is inhumaan’, zegt Klinisch Ethicus Dr. Erwin Kompanje

Ken
May 25, 2020 5:00 am

From the video, I’m going to assume that the bobble head woman was the one narrating. What was the actual point of having that “energy reporter” there? He was one bizarre person just oozing trust and accountability.

Ron Long
Reply to  Ken
May 25, 2020 5:25 am

Ken, see above for some reality check on the “energy reporter” and his empowerment credentials.

Ken
Reply to  Ron Long
May 25, 2020 8:45 am

Thank you, college has sure changed since I was there.

Knr
May 25, 2020 5:06 am

When you consider the environment during the period that the black death was killing a third of the people in Europe. You find what to the greens is a rather ideal situation with little pollution.
So perhaps the story is a bit more complex!

Ulric Lyons
May 25, 2020 5:12 am

Hong Kong has high air pollution and high population density, yet Italy, France, and the UK have over a thousand times more deaths per million population. And Arctic warming is normal during each centennial solar minimum.

LdB
Reply to  Ulric Lyons
May 25, 2020 6:14 am

Yes but you are missing the leftiest psychology, HK is part of China and so good. UK, France and Italy are capitalist countries and so bad. If they just overthrew capitalism and stopped burning fossil fuels then the outcome would have been so much better for them.

MarkW
Reply to  LdB
May 25, 2020 7:04 am

They are capitalist when compared to China.

observa
May 25, 2020 5:24 am

Aunty in Oz has every unemployed academic and watermelon banging away at how Covid19 is the ideal opportunity to fix climate change, look at income inequality given the handouts for Jobseeker were grossly under forecast by the overstuffed suits, address the gender pay gap and sort out bushfires via climate change naturally. Lockdown has really gone to their heads and they’re a restless lot as we know. Streuth Labor came out talking about building very fast trains around the country again when everybody wants to be in their own car. Relevance Deprivation Syndrome is alive and well in Oz again.

Boggies
May 25, 2020 6:16 am

I thought this was a joke- I thought this would be a comedy routine. Little did I realise that there are people that stupid.

MarkW
May 25, 2020 6:57 am

Climate change caused Chinese people to start eating bats?

Redge
Reply to  MarkW
May 26, 2020 2:12 am

Climate change caused Ozzy Osbourne to eat bats and Freddie Starr to eat hamsters.

Just Jenn
May 25, 2020 7:24 am

Has anyone checked to see if the dolphins are still around? Have they left yet?

I think they have, although I didn’t get the message of thanks for all the fish. Darn.

I refuse to watch the video, I am out of brain bleach and it’s on backorder on Amazon.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Just Jenn
May 25, 2020 1:11 pm

You have to watch it just to see the Energy Reporter and bobblehead reporter. You can turn the sound off.

Ben Vorlich
May 25, 2020 8:22 am

There have been so many pandemics and epidemics globally it is probably very easy to correlate a subset to anything you want.

Stephen Skinner
May 25, 2020 9:07 am

If industrial farming and urbanization are a major source of pandemics then how many pandemics have come from Tokyo, London, New York, Mexico City or from the US or European farms? The US should be pumping out those viruses all year round?

Joey
May 25, 2020 9:14 am

How pandemics are linked to climate change…..when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. These people are nuts.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Joey
May 25, 2020 1:12 pm

The master control knob for pandemics: CO2

Kenji
May 25, 2020 9:58 am

Hey! LA Times! Paving over the planet reduces all tick-Bourne diseases by eliminating ticks. Development and domination of nature is actually quite healthy for human beings. Let’s pave all of LA … eh? Oh? Already done? No Lyme disease in LA then, Right? Congratulations!

Petit_Barde
May 25, 2020 10:25 am

They are right !

This pandemic and the CAGW are strongly related :
– both have induced (or are inducing) devastating reactions,
– both are totally exagerated if not downright manufactured,
– both are pushed by a completely biased MSM to insane levels,
– both expose the gullibility and ignorance of most of the people and the complete incompetence of the so-called “experts” and politicians.

John Bruyn
Reply to  Petit_Barde
May 25, 2020 5:57 pm

Well said Petit_Barde
I couldn’t agree with you more. The only word I would change is ‘expose’ and substitute ‘exploit’ for that.

Joel O'Bryan
May 25, 2020 1:24 pm

There is now solid evidence Climate Change belief lowers one’s IQ.
But then it’s a circular logic loop, with causality arrow running both directions.

rah
May 25, 2020 2:57 pm

Did anyone actually hear any science in that video?

WR2
May 25, 2020 7:24 pm

I thought the (gag) meant that the video was going to be a humorous parody…little did I know you were describing the bodily reaction upon watching the video.

Craig from Oz
May 25, 2020 8:06 pm

Polar Bear!

I’m convinced! What was the rest of the argument?

Kenji
Reply to  Craig from Oz
May 25, 2020 9:06 pm

Exactly. Except Polar Bear baby is the clincher

dirty dave
May 26, 2020 11:01 am

I could smell the patchouli right through the Internet.

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