Naomi Seibt, the 19-year-old anti-Greta from Germany whose climate-skeptical Youtube videos have gone viral, needs your urgent financial help. Without a hearing, German officials have fined her and demanded costs on the ground that in her devastatingly effective videos she has dared to question the Party Line about what officialdom profiteers by presenting as “dangerous” manmade global warming.
As a result of this arbitrary and capricious prosecution and conviction without trial, Naomi has had her earnings cut off. Please donate securely and directly to her Patreon account at https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy. May I suggest at least $10 per month? That would be a real life-saver, and would enable Naomi to continue her valuable work.
Naomi was the star of the show at last year’s climate conference held in Munich by EIKE, the European Institute for Climate and Energy. She is an internet influencer with her own popular YouTube channel – so popular, in fact, that the totalitarian censors at YouTube have shadow-banned her channel, cutting her potential income from it by nine-tenths.
James Taylor of the Heartland Institute met Naomi in Munich and invited her to speak at the Heartland Conference in in December 2019 during the U.N. Gaia-worship haj in Madrid. Her five-minute speech attracted ten times as many YouTube hits as mine. Naomi has since been showing the Heartland Institute how to increase its internet presence.
Naomi recently received a letter from a functionary at the State Media Authority for North Rhine Westphalia, the region where she lives. The letter informed her peremptorily that, without a hearing, she has been found guilty of the alleged offence of exercising her right of free speech about the climate on YouTube in a manner that the letter described as not being “climate-friendly”.
What was such a value-laden term doing in an official letter from a public authority to its teenage victim?
In a subsequent letter, the Authority demanded a fine of about $400 and costs on top, and instructed Naomi that she must not mention the Heartland Institute in her videos. The insubstantial ground for this attempt at silencing Naomi was that such mentions constituted unlawful product placement under a recently-enacted law of the North-Rhine Westphalia region.
However the letter makes it clear that a video is held to contravene the new law if it does two things at the same time: it advocates any policy position unacceptable to the Gau (such as opposition to Germany’s crippling Energiewende) and, in the same video, to mention a named product or entity associated with that position (such as the Heartland Institute).
The Authority listed three videos by Naomi that it considered unlawful. In fact, the list demonstrates that the charges against her are false. The Authority trumped them up, inferentially at the behest of “climate-friendly” activists.
In the first of the three specific videos of which the Authority complains, Naomi made plain her opposition the Party Line, but did not break the law because she did not mention the Heartland Institute. At the time she made that video she had not even heard of it.
In the second video Naomi announced to her followers that she was collaborating with Heartland, but did not break the law because in that video she did not advocate any policy position, whether on climate or anything else.
In the third video, Naomi again expressed opposition to the official position on climate, but did not break the law because she did not mention Heartland.
On the facts, not one of these three videos offended against the law as the correspondence from the Authority chartacterizes it. The prosecution had no rational basis in fact or in law.
This is yet another instance of a traditional totalitarian tactic: to enmesh all who have publicly and effectively challenged the Party Line on climate in complex and costly legal wrangles, however ill founded, in the hope of muzzling them and cowing everyone else into silence.
Just ask Professor Peter Ridd or Dr Susan Crockford or Dr Tim Ball or Mark Steyn or countless others thus harried and bullied by the lavishly-funded watermelons.
Naomi has engaged a lawyer pro bono. She has splendidly demanded that the Authority produce its entire file on this matter, including the identities of those who complained to the Authority about her. She has also demanded copies of all correspondence or conversations between the Authority and such questionable third parties as these.
The Authority has responded by sending a file that has been obviously, in-your-face redacted. It is manifestly reluctant to admit its unsavory links with whatever totalitarian groups had asked its fellow true-believers there to silence Naomi.
The Authority’s notice of prosecution culpably fails either to spell out or in any material respect to comply with Naomi’s right to a fair trial as laid down in the European Human Rights Convention, to which Germany is a signatory.
Naomi would be well within her rights to counterclaim against the Authority for damages for abuse of its power, for contravention of the Convention (which grants her the right to a remedy) and for causing her distress, alarm and offense without the slightest legitimate or reasonable justification.
Bizarrely, the Authority’s motto is “Der Meinungsfreiheit verpflichtet”, i.e., “Committed to Freedom of Expression”. Yeah, right. I have seldom come across so striking an example of Orwellian Newspeak. To Orwell’s “War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength” we can now add “Silence is Free Speech”.
Naturally, this ghastly Authority belongs to the European Regulators’ Group for Media Services” (AARGH). It is not only Germany that is regulating freedom of speech once more. The European tyranny-by-clerk is at it as well – which is no small part of the reason why Britain has left.
Naomi would also be entitled to report the Authority to the police for the criminal offenses of fraud and of demanding money with menaces. For I have written twice to the Authority explaining that its prosecution of her is itself unlawful and that it should at once withdraw its impertinent and unlawful demand for the fine and costs it has levied without trial. However, I have received no reply to either letter.
Though Naomi could both sue and prosecute the polished Lederhosen off the Authority, the funds that will be raised by your kind and generous donations directly to her Patreon channel at https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy are for her personal use. She may or may not decide to spend the money on legal fees. If not, your kindness will support her videos.
The Authority knows from my letters that it is not entitled to the sums it has demanded. It persists in its unjustifiable and unlawful demand nonetheless. Therefore, its refusal to withdraw its menacing demand once it had been told exactly why that demand was unjustifiable establishes mens rea, the intent to do what is known to be wrong – in this instance, blackmail.
The Authority’s misconduct also satisfies the two tests for fraud. First, did it intend to deceive? Yes, in that it stated in writing that Naomi had committed offenses when it knew from the three videos on which its prosecution was founded that not one contravened its law. Even if it had originally erred, its failure to correct its error when I twice wrote drawing its attention to the error of its ways is compelling evidence of its fraudulent intent to deceive.
Secondly, did the Authority intend to profit for itself or to cause loss to its victim by that deception? Yes, in that it demanded a fine and costs to which it knew – once I had explained the matter to it, even if not before – that it was not entitled. Yet it has not withdrawn its demand.
Since it has failed to respond, I have written to the German Ambassador in London as follows, with copies to the Landesregierung (regional government) of North Rhine Westphalia and to the Bundeskanzlei in Berlin:
Your Excellency,
Suppression of free speech by German officials
HM Government is becoming increasingly concerned at attempts by certain political factions, here and worldwide, to circumscribe freedom of expression. It has come to my attention that the Landesanstalt für Medien Nordrhein-Westfalen (the State Media Authority in the North Rhine Westphalia region) has recently written a letter to Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old citizen of that region, unlawfully announcing that it has tried her without a hearing and found her guilty of offences arising from her exercise in YouTube videos of her right to free speech. The Authority can be proven to know that her remarks in the three specific videos of which it complains are not constitutive of any offence.
I do not represent Fräulein Seibt: I write as a citizen concerned that, yet again, free speech is being brought to an end in Germany. I have written twice to the Authority requiring it to cease and desist from its campaign against Fräulein Seibt, and asking it to clarify its understanding of the law of the Land, since Fräulein Seibt and I propose to make a series of videos on the climate question, and eventually a movie as well. But I have had no reply. Therefore, I should be grateful if Your Excellency would now act as follows:
1. Please invite the Authority to reply promptly and properly to my letters and to answer my questions about its interpretation of the law, and inform the Authority that, in the absence of any reply, I shall take it that the Authority now accepts that Fräulein Seibt is entitled to mention any legal person or opinion she wishes in her videos, whether or not those persons or opinions are regarded by the Gau as “climate-friendly”.
2. Please pass on to the Authority this my freedom-of-information request for the names and addresses, ages and occupations of all members of the governing board and senior staff of the Authority, specifying all potential conflicts of interest that they may individually or collectively possess, such as corporate or personal membership or contacts with environmental or other suchlike activist groups.
3. Please pass on to the Authority this my freedom-of-information request for all its internal and external correspondence or conversations in relation to this affair.
4. Please draw the attention of the Landesregierung and of the Bundeskanzlei to this international scandal.
I recommend that the Landesregierung should give Fräulein Seibt immediate, full and unreserved apology on behalf of the defalcating Authority, together with substantial compensation – I suggest $10,000, with $2500 costs – for the distress and alarm to which its misconduct has unjustifiably subjected her and her family.
The Authority’s ground of action, insofar as any such pretext can be discerned from its extraordinary correspondence, is that, under a recently-enacted law calculated to remove the right of free speech from those who disagree with State-sanctioned opinion, Fräulein Seibt has expressed opinions contrary to the official Party Line on the climate question.
It is a matter of profound regret that, once again, your nation is no longer safe for those who wish to speak their mind without being forcibly and unlawfully menaced, punished and silenced by the State for no better reason than that they have dared publicly and efficaciously to disagree with it.
The Authority’s letter flagrantly mischaracterizes Fräulein Seibt’s opinions on the question of global warming in a manner that is not only deeply offensive to her and lacking any rational justification in fact or in law but is also indicative of unlawful prejudice and even malice on the part of the Authority.
In particular, the Authority has seen fit to base its criminal allegations against Fräulein Seibt on its opinion that her contributions are essentially characterized by the statement that there is no scientific evidence of climate change caused by human behaviour. That is not and has never been Fräulein Seibt’s opinion: nor has she ever expressed any such opinion.
The Authority lists three viral YouTube videos made by Fräulein Seibt as being unlawful in that they call for the adoption of a particular policy (described in the letter as not being “climate-friendly”), and that they also mention the Heartland Institute by name, thereby offending against the law’s prohibition of product placement in broadcast material.
However, only one of the three videos mentions the Heartland Institute, and in that video Fräulein Seibt does not advocate any policy position, whether on climate or anything else. She merely reports to her followers the fact that she is working with the Institute. The other two videos do advocate policy positions uncongenial to the Gau, but they do not mention the Heartland Institute. Therefore, none of the three videos contravenes the law.
The Convention (Art. 6) obliges the Authority to inform Fräulein Seibt, promptly, comprehensibly and in detail, not merely of the legal characterization but also of the factual particulars of any offences that she is imagined to have perpetrated. Yet the Authority’s correspondence is woefully lacking in factual particulars, and such few factual particulars as it does furnish are demonstrably inaccurate, manifestly irrelevant and self-evidently not constitutive of any criminal offence.
The Authority culpably neglects to explain on what scientific grounds it regards the opinions that Ms Seibt has stated in her YouTube videos on climate change to be contrary to what it regards as “climate-friendly”. Where is the proper, balanced consideration of the scientific literature on the part of the Authority that is mandatory in such circumstances? There is none.
Worse, the Authority’s use of the term “climate-friendly” indicates that it has taken a policy position on the climate question, and has acted to silence Fräulein Seibt – at least in part – because it has foolishly adopted that position and finds her contrary opinion uncongenial. But the Authority is surely forbidden to found upon its own political prejudices in reaching its decisions on whom to prosecute – or, rather, to persecute.
The Authority mentions, as an accusation, that Fräulein Seibt’s opinions are “in contrast to those of today’s climate activists”. Is opposition to far-Left political activism now once again a criminal offence?
The Authority says Ms Seibt sees herself as “the voice of those who oppose socially-imposed rules of thought”. Is the Authority partisan, then? Surely it is supposed to be impartial? If Fräulein Seibt opposes the passive acceptance of whatever Party Line is currently fashionable, is that now, once again, a criminal offence in Germany?
The Authority says Fräulein Seibt mentions climate activists and their doings. Is it once again a criminal offence in the New Germany to criticize far-Left, anti-free-market activism?
The Authority characterizes Fräulein Seibt’s opinions as “ideological and political”. If she has a political ideology, is it not her right under the Convention to have one? Or is it now once again a punishable criminal offence in Germany publicly to disagree with the State?
The Authority says that, because the climate question concerns human living conditions, Fräulein Seibt’s views are characteristic of a “concrete worldview”, whatever that may be. Is it wrong to ask scientific questions about what the Authority naively and erroneously believes to be the settled science advanced by those with whom it takes sides in describing them as “climate-friendly”? Is the scepticism at the heart of the scientific method now once again a criminal offence in Germany?
The Authority says there is sufficient evidence that the inclusion of climate-related topics in Fräulein Seibt’s contributions to her own homepage “aims, as does the Heartland Institute, to strengthen the freedom of the individual and limit the influence of the State”. If that is the case, is it now once again a criminal offence in Germany to speak out for freedom?
The Authority says the Heartland Institute deals, among other things, with energy policy issues. Is energy policy a criminal offence?
Is mentioning the Heartland Institute a criminal offence? Or has the new law once again shut down free speech in Germany in flat contravention and wilful repudiation of the Convention to which Germany is a signatory?
The new law in Nordrhein-Westfalen, being defiantly incompatible with the Convention, is itself unlawful. The Convention expressly defends freedom of thought (Art. 9), of expression (Art. 10), and of assembly and association (Art. 11), as well as freedom from discrimination on ground of any opinion (Art. 14). The Authority’s prosecution offends directly, materially and flagrantly against all these Articles, as well as against Article 6 (Right to a fair trial).
Since my letters to the Authority have explained to it that it is acting unlawfully, and since the Authority has not only failed to reply but failed to withdraw its unlawful demand to Fräulein Seibt for a substantial fine and costs, the Authority and its relevant personnel appear to have committed the serious imprisonable offences of blackmail and of fraud.
If by the end of this week the Authority has not withdrawn its action against Fräulein Seibt, I shall write again inviting Your Excellency to pass the papers in this case to the Federal investigating authorities, who should then in my submission prosecute the Authority and its relevant personnel for blackmail and fraud. But let us give the Authority the chance either to redeem itself by withdrawing its action or at least to explain itself.
I look forward to hearing from Your Excellency by the end of this week. In view of the urgency of the need to bring this scandal to an end, I am making this letter public.
I remain, Your Excellency,
Your Excellency’s obedient servant,
Monckton of Brenchley
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To add insult to injury, Naomi has just received a package from the Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung (the Federal Agency for Political Re-Education). Inside the package were two magazine-style propaganda tracts rebarbatively regurgitating the Party Line on global warming.
Here is a typical extract from one of these propaganda pamphlets, ingeniously constructed so as falsely to imply that our impact on the climate is a great deal larger than what is measured. For instance:
“Without the greenhouse effect the average temperature on Earth would be about –18 degrees Celsius. But the significantly increased emission of CO2 and other greenhouse gases by humans is rapidly intensifying the effect and making the atmosphere noticeably warmer.”
Yet in the 70 years since 1950 the supposedly “rapid” “intensification” of the greenhouse effect has caused a barely perceptible warming of little more than five-sixths of a degree – well within natural variability:
Another misleading passage says:
“Methane is mainly produced in the stomachs of ruminants such as cows – which is why our meat consumption noticeably amplifies climate change – but also in rice cultivation, on waste dumps and in sewage treatment plants.”
Actually, the largest methane sources are likely to be abiogenic. Leaks from various Soviet-era Russian gas pipelines have quite a bit to answer for. And the largest biogenic source of methane is not what Congressman Sensenbrenner bluntly calls “cow farts”. It is termite ants.
Surely the Bundespropagandaamt has heard of the Greenpeace campaign to Save The Planet by eliminating all termite ants? Er, no, wait a minute …
Worse, the propaganda pamphlet’s assertion that “our meat consumption noticeably amplifies climate change” is wrong on the math and wronger on the medical science.
As to the math, about five-sixths of our influence on climate comes from CO2. Even if we pretended that methane accounted for all the rest, and even if we assumed that all of the five-sixths of a degree of warming since 1950 was our achievement, one-sixth of that five-sixths of a degree is a sizzling one-seventh of a degree. Pass the Factor 18 and give the punkah-wallah a prod, Jeeves.
So let us see whether one-seventh of a degree is “noticeable”, statistically speaking. The answer is “Not really”. The 2-sigma uncertainties in the HadCRUT4 data are about a seventh of a degree either side of the trend-line:
And then there’s the medical science. People who don’t eat meat will have to get most of their energy not from fats, which we have evolved over several million years to digest just fine, but from carbohydrates, the chief cause of the pandemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes in the West. The Left’s campaign against meat will kill far more people even than the Chinese virus.
Please help to liberate the millennial generation from relentless global-warming propaganda, and to ensure that freedom of expression is not killed off by the very entities who say that their mission is to protect it. Sign up today for at least $10 a month, and preferably $25 a month or more, at Naomi Seibt’s Patreon account. Thank you.
Irony, found on the internet: as a high school student, Naomi Seibt participated in a school project of her St. Mauritz Gymnasium in which she was trained as a “media scout”. This project was sponsored and the training was organized by …..the very same Landesanstalt für Medien NRW!
State and media, always a sensitive area, take the Netherlands here with our latest diversity discrimination scandal embarrassing the state television. As to Naomi, let her take it to court if her protest is dismissed and and let the Landesanstalt embarrass itself will do a lot of good for free speech.
I really would like to follow the factual basis of this case. What is the “letter” and the legal basis of the “fine”. What is the truth behind this and is there any legal process of redress ?
As the head posting meticulously explains, a fine and costs have been inflicted without a hearing and without a trial. That procedure is incompatible with the European Human Rights Convention.
If Ms Seibt wishes to appeal – and it is not for me to say whether she will or not – she must pay a sum equivalent to the fine and costs into court. Fortunately, this appeal has already raised enough to allow her to do that if she wishes to do so.
Once the Verfassungsgericht (the State administrative court) has heard the case, if it goes against Naomi she can appeal all the way to the European Human Rights Court, where she will have the right to request the court to overturn the law of her Land as being incompatible with the Convention. if she wins, that will be the end of the State Media Authority – and good riddance.
So for the tenth time, you refuse to provide any documentary evidence and just reiterate the unsubstantiated claims you made in the article. You are not so stupid to not realise this is pure evasion. You are avoiding answering questions about the source of your information exactly as would a bureaucrat – or should we say “clerk”.
Has Seibt engaged you to argue this on her behalf? Has she presented this document for your inspection? Where is it? This sounds a lot like a case of SJWs getting all hot under the collar and being “offended” on other peoples behalf, without even consulting the supposed “victim” as to whether they are actually offended.
I’m sure that you realise that unless you submit your “FIOA” request in due form to the appropriate authorities in the legally recognised language in that state, it will safely get ignored.
The process you describe sounds similar to the fixed penalty traffic tickets ( procès-verbal ) which exists in France. You either pay a “discount” sum and shut up ( implicitly pleading guilty to the alleged offence ) or you lose the cheap way out and take it to a court hearing. The more you want to argue the dearer it gets.
Your 19 .yo. prodigy is going to need some solid legal backing if she is going to overturn existing legal process in the Fourth Reich.
The 1000 euros per month stipend she has on Patreon is a long way short of that.
Greg should stop whining. He can go to the court in de course and get all the papers he wants. Meanwhile, they are subject to legal privilege. Get over it.
Verwaltungsgericht = administrative court, Verfassungsgericht = constitutional court (for instance if Landesgesetz, law of the federal states, conflicts with the constitution).
I thought it would be more than that by now, but I suppose it’s early days yet.
I’m irritated that so much of the money confiscated from me by the State is being wasted on this AGW-religion, it’d seem churlish not to contribute free-willingly to the defence of scientific scepticism. And I’m so used to being scammed over ‘climate’, I really don’t care either way…
It must be very unsettling at 19 years of age to have all this Staatsscheisse dumped upon oneself.
So yeah, why not..?
George Orwell once said:
To: Lord Mockton and everyone else.
I am convinced that using “anti Greta” when you talk about Naomi will only hurt her and your couse.
I have heard her saying that she does not see herself as an anti Greta figure. Naomi is pro free speech and pro real science, which means that science is never settled and never a matter of majority.
In heathy science the debate is always alive.
So, please, skip referring to Noami as “anti Greta”. She does not want to be called that and it will just make her enemies interpret it as “anit Christ”. Invent something more positive like “Science Girl” or something like that instead.
Rudiger Eichler is perhaps not familiar with public relations. The name “anti-Greta” immediately identifies Fraulein Seibt for those who may not be aware of her work. Neither she nor I like the term, but it has served its purpose here, which was to attract attention.
I hope that Herr Eichler has made a generous donation.
Ok, I am totally ignorant of German Law……and I’m from the US so there is that caveat as we have the right to free speech (not going there OK?)
When you say she has had her earnings cut off…..you mean that her all her videos have been demonetized on YouTube? I am not understanding.
It is my understanding that YouTube’s policies are per video based, not the whole channel. Am I wrong? Anyone know?
And it is also my understanding that you need to reach a certain number of subscribers before monetization can begin. So if she’s lost money on these 3 videos through demonetization, she should appeal to YouTube.
So I guess what I’m asking is, her earnings from YouTube or her earnings for work in her country? I’m very confused on that aspect.
I have now managed a one off payment to naomi via PayPal, worth 20 euros I think.for those questioning lord Moncktons motives on behalf of naomi, I dont care if there buying a jumbo jet between them ,the point is naomi has contributed a awful lot to put the record straight on climate in a very public way, she has more guts and balls than a lot of folk I can think of. I’m hoping her fan club is full of young people who now know to question everything the climate demi gods put out there, get on board Greg and stand up for free speech, shes proven shes worth it.
Alas, only a couple of LearJets each.
Actually, I get nothing. This is a straightforward appeal on behalf of Naomi Seibt.
Ah but you do ,the attraction of trolls, still if theres anything left over a “lear” is hopefully what you both will continue with.
Even the trolls have their place in the order of Creation. At present their childish whining is driving plenty of generous people to donate to Naomi Seibt.
I’m sure those donating to Seibt are doing so out of recognition of her efforts, and that is well earned.
That does not explain why you refuse to provide the slightest evidence of the totally unsubstantiated claims you make in this article.
Far from whining, I would like to take her side of the argument. But without FACTS I have nothing to go on and nothing to even communicate to others.
Being a skeptic means demanding proof and checking facts. So far you strangely refuse us both. Maybe if you did provide FACTUAL evidence of your claims instead of whining about supposed “trolls” who wish to see proof before jumping on the bandwagon, there would be more support for her cause.
Greg we are all jaded in this day and age but there are times that we just do something good for others and take a chance it was received in good faith.
I’m not sure why you’re digging your heels in here. People who donated chose to do so. You imply that you are supportive of her cause, give a small one off donation and let it go. Who wouldn’t support freedom of speech. Except of course those who seek to control.
Megs, all it needed was an article about her work and let’s support her. Not more made up stories from , Mr Monckton.
Since you seem to know it all, richard, please prove it’s made up. Otherwise, it’s you who is making up a fiction about Lord M making it up.
I can’t contribute via Patreon…
However, if she signs up as a Brave Creator, I will gladly added her Youtube channel to my monthly BAT tips…
10 BAT per month currently is about $2.00
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Or don’t, it’s your website… but perhaps some of your readers might find my comment useful.
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This incident seems to be similar to a “watcher induced parking ticket”
If someone notifies the police about a false parked car, the policeman/woman is obliged to give a ticket.
Likewise I believe some clerk reacted to a complain and issued a warning/ticket to Naomi Seibt.
At this stage neither USA, UK or any other modern country would have a dramatically different procedure.
If Naomi points about not advertising for Heartland or anything else in this video are correct, she can be cleared in court.
This is nothing special or German related (beside that state might have a strange rule about environmental issues)
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The LfM website positively encourages people to send in complaints. They have a web form for the purpose.
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Fine, so what EXACTLY was Seibt sent ? A warning of a possible fine, a “fine” , an educational package? Still, no one knows.
I smell BS all the way through this article and this is raised to the power ten by Monckton’s belligerent refusal to provide any documentary evidence of his claims. I suspect he may have jumped the gun, misinterpreted what was sent and is now too far in to back out without losing face.
The same mess he got himself into with his pathetic COVID graphs and his claims of what they showed.
You really are a sad person .
So are you, so there ! Thanks for the engaging argument.
Greg should stop whinging and read the head posting.
I did read it, it was full of such self contradictory garbage which is why I’ve been demanding facts, which oddly you refuse to provide.
Neither do I find a single word about this issue from Seibt herself.
I already told you Naomi would more than likely prejudice her own case if she started to hold her own pre trial in public a point you fail to acknowledge and expand upon ,yet you accuse Lord Monckton of exactly the same, not only are you wrong ,it makes you a hypocrite ,
Your not making a point,you made a point in your first post, your relentlessly attacking a poster who has already given his reasons in the opening article , and more importantly every article the poster has published recently,you use the same defamation points ,the posters accusations about you are true your tone is aggressive telling the poster they are wrong with no invite to engage because of this aggressive defamation stance, this does make you a hating troll if your paid to do this or not I dont know ,but you follow a similar pattern to trolls who stalk climate skeptics, your claim to being a skeptic is a strawman cover.
I have to agree with B d Clark, in pending cases, most good lawyers would recommend keeping your mouth shut publicly on the details as you can only hurt your chances otherwise.
He’s also right in his description of the trollish behavior being exhibited here and in every other thread of MoBs that the troll posts in).
‘Ve have vays of making you NOT talk’.
Thanks Greg
I had just added “grouch” to my resume, and referenced the source as “British royalty”.
I can’t find Naomis home page with alternative donation methods.
Patreon is kicking out people like Naomi anyway.
Here you go:
If you would like to support me and this channel:
https://www.paypal.me/NaomiSeibt2000?
Bank account details:
IBAN DE48 4005 0150 0135 6135 37
BIC: WELADED1MST
Name: Naomi Seibt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYhpBC8DZE
What an irony.
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Might as well use The Man’s facilities against him!
As long as Ms Seibt keeps those accounts empty, in case He uses anti-money laundering rules to freeze them without due process. That’s what the rules are probably for, after all.
Thanks, wired some founds. I’v contacted medienanstalt-nrw.de and going to ask them some hard questions.
A search on “Seibt” on https://www.medienanstalt-nrw.de/ yields “No Results Found”
yeah, ironic that a “paid for communist troll” manages to find and post Seibt’s preferred payment methods. LOL.
while I’m sure she will be grateful for the funding which has been kindly donated by others, maybe CofB should have had the good manners to contact her first and ask how ( and if ) she wanted payments for this “appeal”.
That would at least have given her chance to tell him she did not wish to be presented as an “anti-Greta”.
How do you know l Monckton has or has not been in contact with naomi? He would not have multiple payment options to hand in her name if he did not contact her, your beginning to slip up boy, and show your contradictions are getting a bit obvious, theres a time line to your posting too,
It seems fairly obvious from your postings your trying to dissuade people from funding this young lady, well that’s failed, the only reason some one would oppose freedom of speech, which is what your doing ,is to agree with,or be part of the oppressive cult killing a voice of opposition, which again makes you a hypocrite, who exactly is Greg? Greg the bakers! You attack a person who is a public figure and has the decency to use there full name,like I do myself, yet you hide behind Greg which means nothing no form of redress nothing, that’s another troll tactic Greg.
He sometimes posts as, IIRC, Greg Goodman in response to MoB’s comments about his lack of posting his full name (he should just pick one and stick to it, IMO). Adding a last name to his postings doesn’t alter the facts of his hater/trollish behavior in regards to Lord Monckton. And yes, since he is a viscount, it’s entirely appropriate etiquette to refer to him as “lord” contrary to what Greg wants to believe. From Britannica The prefix “lord” is ordinarily used as a less formal alternative to the full title (whether held by right or by courtesy) of marquess, earl, or viscount From Wikipedia: Lord is used as a generic term to denote members of the peerage. Five ranks of peer exist in the United Kingdom: in descending order these are duke, marquess, earl, viscount, and baron.
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This story stinks. On the website of the State Media Authority for North Rhine Westphalia:
https://www.medienanstalt-nrw.de/presse/pressemitteilungen.html
Didn’t mention anything about Naomi Seibt. The latest press release is from May 14 and concerns a nanny who is sentenced to conditional prison by the Amtsgericht Hagen – in other words a court – for hate speech against Syrian refugees. This is just the usual Monckton BS.
I tried to stand this story up too and got nowhere, as you will see from my earlier comments. The problem is that there has been no court case, so there is nothing to report. From Monckton’s bluster it seems that Naomi has received a couple of letters (eine Amtshandlung) but we know nothing at all of what is in them or their status, no case numbers, no Paragraphen.
His comments onf ‘Gau’ show that he knows nothing about German conditions or the German legal system.
Monckton’s USP is pompous bluster and this article and his responses to comments upon it are par for the course with him. By behaving in this way he is not helping Naomi in any way, just hindering her getting a fair judicial resolution. In effect he is just letting her get completely tangled up in the situation whilst he blathers on about the ECHR.
FoS,
Unfortunately Mr. Monckton has right. However, Naomi will not be left alone, and she will be supported by law-abiding German citizens:
https://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/2020/05/24/deutsche-behoerden-drohen-naomi-seibt-mit-gefaengnisstrafe-wegen-verweigerung/
This authority in NRW is very similar to the communist cenzorship authorities in East-European contries during the soviet occupation. Naomi has also be threatened by prison, because she could not react fast enough (she was hospitalized with COVID-19 and asked for some more time). Currently the penalty would be 2*1200 € (including 2*200 € handling fees).
Many thanks to Mr. Monckton that he initiated some actions to support Naomi. Saint Greta has done the same in numerous case (more than 1000 times), however her actions never has been questioned or she has never been threatened to be imprisoned. This is called “equal rights/handling” by the “progressive liberals” with deep communist roots (eventually Greta’s parents are well known communists in Sweden). Now they are members of a terrorist organisation “Extinction Rebellion” (Greta too).
I kind of would like to see Naomi Seibt make a comment on this thread.
No fear of censorship here on WUWT.
I would just like to hear her thoughts about this whole topic.
(The German government and the general censorship factor of YouTube).
Does YouTube censor more stuff in Germany than in the USA?
– JPP
Does YouTube censor more stuff in Germany than in the USA?
Don’t know, it’s certainly possible. They do have geolocking – allowing videos in some parts of the world that they don’t allow in others. And if the German government asks for it, do you really see youtube saying no?
We don’t know, because Monckton has not told us, but it does not seem that YouTube has anything to to with this issue.
It appears that someone has complained to the Mediananstalt (about ‘hidden’ advertising for the Heartland Institute?). Presumably if Naomi doesn’t correct whatever is giving offence, say by adding a clear message about Heartland, her video operation will be shut down. Whether the NRW authorities can enforce this for all the other states is another matter.
She’s 19. She needs someone advising her who knows what he or she is talking about – and that person is not Monckton.
The only mention on Ms. Seibt’s Twitter account that resembles anything his Lordship claims is her annoyance at receiving two pamphlets on climate change in the mail. Nothing else. MAybe someone who knows her can ask.
There is nothing mentioned on her Facebook page.
There is also nothing in any news report that I can find. You would also expect something from Heartland; there is nothing. Nothing on the Daily Caller. Nothing on Breitbart.
You would also expect nothing if a appeal or a court case is in the pipe line ,but you know this already you have read several of my posts right, would you be mouthing off on social media if you had a court case coming up?
So Monckton is mouthing off for her?
If he’s not involved in the case, he’s entirely free to do so. A good lawyer will tell their client to shut their mouth about it on social media because anything they say can be used against them. They, however, have no responsibility for what other people say, only for their own words.
I can think of couple of other cases specifically involving people on social media (would take too much to write up all the details here). To make long stories short, in those cases you have one side keeping their mouth shut, even though others spoke up about their situation and their case (even started gofund me campaigns for their legal fees). And the other side (in both cases the other side are, probably not surprisingly, identity politicking “social justice warrior” types) just couldn’t keep their own mouths shut on social media or in public gatherings. Guess which side had their tweets and posts and videos of them speaking in public (many of them made after they were first served with court papers) entered in the record? Yep, the ones who couldn’t keep their pie holes shut (can’t say how badly those things hurt their case, as the cases I’m thinking of are still working their way though the civil courts and given the speed at which court cases move, likely will be for quite some time yet), but it certainly didn’t help their cases any).
We are in agreement John.
Seconded.
However, there is the concept of sub judice and it thus might need to be in the fullness of time.
That was in reply to Jon Peterson’s post BTW.
Disqusting comment board!
If you see her last couple of videos, she definitely is stifled because of YouTube censorship.
She says so in so many words, and she has to “mask” some of her thoughts because of limited free speech on YouTube.
– JPP
It’s funny how often I’ve seen youtubers dance around certain words or topics, as if they were talking about voldermort (at least one youtuber even used voldermort in place of the word he was avoiding using) for fear that the second they speak the not-allowed words or topics their videos will get flag/striked, demonetized and/or taken down.
So I’ve read every comment over the last several days, and there may be so called “Trolls”, but yet although even myself can believe that the Brost Foundation lackeys in NR Westphalia and especially in Ruhr are capable of any devious plots like these, it must be said there has been no corroborating evidence from any third party confirming this horrendous tale of unjust persecution. I looked at a lot of Westphalia newspapers, and indeed across the whole European Empire of The Brost legacy but this was really all that I found. Some small report only referenced from the investigations of months past by the Brost “Corrective”
With these pages from the Brost Foundation funded “Correctiv” media “investigations” we can read firstly all the old canards about his The USA Heartland Foundation, of the James Taylor has supposedly corrupted the Climate research with “pseudoscience”, and interfering in the politics of NRW. This can not be tolerated ! These reports are of course all in German Language, but it’s possible to read with the clicking options at the “Correctiv” website or somehow you know it.
https://correctiv.org/aktuelles/2020/02/04/das-heartland-institute-wie-us-klimaleugner-politik-in-europa-machen
Even worse is when The Evil Heartlanders then corrupt the German Youths, especially the so called “AfD sympathiser”, Naomi Seibt !
https://correctiv.org/top-stories/2020/02/04/die-heartland-lobby-2/
This is all part of the “green” campaigns of the Brost Funded, Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitungsverlagsgesellschaft newspapers, and it’s self appointed role to have NRW, and especially Ruhr to be having the dominance over all the other German States, Europe, and The World! However, as bad and erroneous egotistical agitprop as all this is, there is nothing new and recent about any legal proceedings against Fraulein Seibt in the public news reporting anyway (even at the site of the group who has seemingly been investigating her bad deeds, and we were told had reported them to Westphalia’s prosecutors).
I couldn’t find any reports of impending prosecution of Fraulein Seibt in any of the Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitungsverlagsgesellschaft many newspapers, but if any readers can point out such reports, I’m sure we would all wish to see them, to have some independent confirmation of the very worrying report of the Good Lord Monckton.
Well, you won’t find any news reports in the German media about Naomi Seibt, one way or another. Jack Black, don’t you realize this . They just hope if they ignore her, she will go away !
– JPP
Of course one of the major industrial “green giants” is Siemens, who are very heavily invested in Westphalia, and in particular in the Ruhr. Almost every wind turbine in Europe relies upon Siemens technology and engineering, as do most of the so called “new transport technologies”. Siemens is a big player in the plans of the Brost Foundation, so this is why they go to the extreme measures to discredit not just Fraulein Seibt, but James Taylor, Heartland, and EIKE too, by this “secret” exposé of the Madrid conference. An exposé so secret, they publish its full details on the website of the Correctiv, with video clips of actual conversations of Taylor and his strange financial proposals.
Yes of course we may surmise that there are good reasons as to why funders of climate realism may want to remain anonymous, to prevent attacks from rabid greenies, yet the underhanded double dealing of Taylor and Heartland, is that really the best way?
Know thine enemy !
Could easily be the case, from reading the language of the spying reporters of the Corrective, that they are indoctrinated into the green lies of Brost, WAZ publications, and Siemens et al. A few YouTube videos in a Thunberg style cannot undo such indoctrination. It cannot be denied that Fraulein Seibt is a creature of the AfD, so why try to hide it? Deceit bybTalor and Heartland, however well intentioned, will only serve to harden attitude of the leftist footsoldiers of the likes of the Correctiv and Brost. One cannot defeat evil and lies, by proffering yet more deceit and lies.
Only Truth and Light can win over, and deprogram the helpless dupes of Brost. The Spider in his web of intrigue, and corrupted politicians, must be faced out head on and exposed for their vested interest plans to destroy economies of other German States, Europe, and the World. North Rhine Westphalia’s interest is not paramount, but Brost, Siemens, and remains of Krups would want it so, even if it meant the Dissolution of the Federal German Republic.
Swiss, Liechtenstein, and Luxembourg money men should read the writing on the wall, and know that dishonest power brokers of Ruhr have had their day. Didn’t they yet realise this when Brost had to sell out their 1/2 Billion Euro stake in RTL, just to remain afloat. Pouring money into dead tree press and magazines that are doomed to fail, expanding in a landgrab of Eastern EU states media, and building a New Reich, just when EU is all collapsing before their eyes. Hungary, Czech, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia, and wider still. Westphalian proto-empoerors care not for other Germans, they will promote only what’s good for the Ruhr.
AfD are their sworn enemy, as is EIKE, and by association Heartland USA. Sneaky Francophile Belgians want to see Federal German States fund this Eastern expansionism, and to bail out the bankrupt economies of the Mediterranean EU. Will the true German people allow this despotic Ruhr corruption to destroy all of Germany, or should they be asking serious questions about the Brost.
This is really a political fight between financial heavyweights, and not about Climate at all.
I predict it will all kick off pretty soon anyway, once the workers and hoi polloi who readily supported green fantasy unicorn rainbowland in the past, see their jobs has evaporated during the great CoViD-19 lockdown debacle.
As far as I know, Naomi is not a puppet of AfD or for that matter, any political party with an agenda.
I have seen all her videos (in English or translated), and have seen a lot of the main stream media comments about her, and the Google comments about her…they try to pigeon-hole her.
She is too much of an individual to fall for any of that. She does her own research and she is all about free speech, individual liberty. and I believe government of the people, by the people and for the people…. it’s a little hard to label her, so I don’t want to try to do that…
I’m not as articulate as she.
– JPP
OK, Mr. Peterson, I do read what you say and do respect all points of view in these discourse here in the comments of the venerable Viscount’s article.
This is also my point in writing as I did after having read the articles written by the Brost adherents of the Correctiv. Maybe I too am not so eloquent in the English analysis of those German language articles, but it is certainly possible that those indoctrinated journalistas of the Correctiv actually believe what they write is in good faith true ROM their perspectives.
We must truly understand his they are able to see things in this way, that real scientific evidence led, is somehow appear false to them. Their indoctrination was carried out by the real masters of propaganda at Schellenhuber’s Potsdam Institute, and that place is a real den of iniquity surely. Pawns are being sacrificed on all sides with impunity, and some minor pieces assailed as well.
Yet the Elephants are in the room, and we have a Queen too, but it isn’t she, the youthful Fraulein Seibt. Rather our “Queen” remains aloof still, and well protected yet. The noble Viscount in his castle sits astride an open file, eying the dark pieces of the army of the Brost, one wonders if he realises the amount of clout they can muster via the vast media empire of the WAZ. Such might cannot be countered by a some YouTube videos alone. Serious authors need to write counter stories in the rival presses and appearing on the Radio and TV of WAZ great rivals in North Rhine Westphalia … Bertelsmann, who perhaps have a more egalitarian view. They are already the World’s largest media group, and having already stripped some assets from WAZ and Brost, may be encouraged to do more?
Brost must be made to realise that to blindly now follow the plans of their long dead Polish founders, cannot be good for German Federal Unity, and will the pragmatic Bertelsmanns allow leftists of WAZ to continue to jeopardise their World Media Empire, by blind adherence to green unicorn idealism?
If EIKE and Heartland look for a real cash rich sponsor, then in NRW there can be no bigger than Bertelsmann, and if Bertelsmann would do it, there would be no need to hide funding, or beg for pittances from ordinary folks.
Some effort ought to be spent in convincing Bertelsmann that in NRW, Germany, Europe and the World, there is only room for one victorious Media Monarch, and it isn’t the Brost.
Can it be done, I don’t really know, but the venerable Viscount and friends ought to try perhaps. This is where Fraulein Seibt might really shine, not as a hostage to the USA Alphabet Corporation political whims, but instead as an ambassadress of Queen Bertelsmann. Can the one true German Media Mogul step up to the plate and crush the devious Brost. There’s only room for one great Empress in NRW, and can the venerable Viscount convince Bertelsmann it must be she who leads the German People and all Europe from out of the dark that Potsdam dogma has entombed the minds of millions of dupes with their unfounded climate alarmism?
This opportunity presents itself, and we must at least try to grasp it. Pray let our Queen be Bertelsmann, for it is she who can lead us from the dark and misery of the Brost dystopian nightmare, into the truth and light once more.
Can this be more than just a mere dream?
WOW, after that diatribe, all I can say is “I liked you in Nacho Libre”
– JPP
I am not Kung Fu Panda man, but hey if I were, and had his money and Hollywood pals….. I’d probably not be reading articles in here. That geezer stumped for Obama and suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).
My plea about Bertelsmann is Genuine, and they might go for it, and at least scare off WAZ and Brost from attacking Fraulein Seibt through their proxies anymore.
In Germany at least, and especially in NRW, the name of Bertelsmann is respected by many friends, and can strike a cold fear in the hearts of their opponents. If you’re listening to some “local” popular radio station right now, chances are it could be one of Bertelsmann’s.
A diatribe, also known less formally as rant, is a lengthy oration, though often reduced to writing, made in criticism of someone or something, often employing humor, sarcasm, and appeals to emotion.
Wackapedia . . .
– JPP
Yes that is true, and it’s emotion and not bald scientific facts, however well put, that can sway the masses to turn the green tide against their manipulating political masters. We writers of articles in here, and in supportive comments, don’t need to preach to the converted, but YouTube though popular isn’t the monopolistic power it once was. For example a real media savvy operative might sponsor some online Chess tournaments (Raawr!) on Twitch involving World Class GMs, or some other more frivolous popular RPG competitions. An eloquent performer such as Fraulein Seibt could earn respect of millions of viewers and listeners of a new audience, on radio and new media, had she the support of some entity like Queen Bertelsmann (and increase viewer/listener/reader numbers with growth of their group profits too).
@Jack Black, is this Queen you speak of Julia Jäkel ?
Jäkel became chair of the Bertelsmann Content Alliance, managing the collaboration among all content businesses in Germany.
– JPP
In this new thread, I pose the question:
I wonder, can she also sing, the Fraulein Seibt, because that could attract a vast audience that even the giant Alphabet Corporation dare not censor such views if put to music, as is evidenced by the more than 170 million views of just the official release of this fantastic Matt Bellamy composition….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog
Then there’s Armin Van Buuren, who specialises in having guest female vocalists singing to his compositions and promoting them to Worldwide audiences from his Armada HQ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxvpctgU_s8
Wow! If we could get Armin on board, and if Fraulein Seibt can sing, then we could really get a popular following, don’t you think folks? This must have greater mass appeal than dry science speak, at some stuffy old conference in the back room of a hotel somewhere?
Can it be done? What’s stopping us trying at least?
Music has been used as a protest movement, a political movement for generations,my question has to be why have climate skeptics not already gone down this path? Greenpeace already have bands dedicated to climate catastrophic change,some main stream bands are also going down this route, I would say for commercial interests,( what’s popular in current times) music is also heavily censored, take the sex pistols ” God save the queen the fascist regime ” were to start, folk,pop ,rock,classics ? In at the deep end or local circuits ? The problem I see is security ,playing live would expose Naomi to climate thugs,
In principle I’m for the idea the practical application I see problems.
B d, think about it, what is the common theme in the ‘arts’, including performing arts, theatre and music? Almost all of them are leftists. Trust me I know, visual art is my forte and once I finally decided that I needed to out myself as ‘right of centre’, about six months ago now, all bar none of my friends turned their backs on me! Some of theses people were dear friends and had been for years.
I’m sure there are a handful of talented ‘conservative’ performers out there but good luck finding one who has the courage to sing about political issues. It’s a bit like asking a ‘real’ scientist to speak out publicly about CAGW as being complete rubbish.
Incidentally, since I outed myself and though I have some talent I’m not likely to ever receive any kind of recognition for my art.
Megs, if you’ve not watched them, take a look at the #Walkaway videos on youtube.
They are people who have been horrified by what the left has become (as if it were ever different) and are walking away from it. Many of the walkers are artists. They all tell your story.
Here is Brandon Straka’s video, which started it all. There are hundreds of videos of people who are so relieved to be able to tell their story — your story.
Thank you so much Pat. No I hadn’t come across Brandon Straka’s videos, I watched the first one and it was like he’d been inside my head! I wonder if Lord Monckton would think it worthwhile for Naomi to meet Brandon. He could possibly help spread her message, or as b d suggested there may be one of his many followers with a talent for singing.
I watched an interview a few days ago. Andrew Bolt is a high profile journalist with Sky News here in Australia. Sky is the only right of centre television network and is growing from strength to strength. The interesting thing is that he used to be a leftist and he is now one of the key joujournalists with Sky. He did an interview with Dave Rubin who wrote “Don’t burn this book”. Rubin was talking about coming out as right of centre in politics. Now he also happens to be gay and said that in his experience it was much more difficult to come out as a person right of centre in politics than to come out as being gay! Rubin said that when he came out as a gay man, once people had a chance to come to terms with it on the whole the love was still there. It’s not the same when you come out as being right of centre in politics, people turn their backs on you forever.
That’s how it was for me too, well I’m not gay, but I have my own story. But in regards to politics, people who had been like family to me no longer wanted anything to do with me, wouldn’t even respond to emails. I lost my entire network of friends such is the hate from the left. There is no reasoning with the left, facts mean nothing and they cannot think for themselves. It is terrible to observe but to be at the receiving end of their hate on a personal level is indescribably painful.
I know that this site was initially a platform for scientists to discuss matters of science that they cannot otherwise discuss. And I get that there are some of those scientists who see the political discussion as intrusive. However they have become intrinsically entwined. It used to be that governments formed policy based on scientific advice. These days governments pay scientists to come up with ‘justification’ for the policies they make. This is how ‘consensus science’ came about, and for some of them it has become quite lucrative and is part of the, leftist/socialist push.
This site is still a platform for pure science but it’s the politics of the day that’s keeping you all from practising real science they way you should be, the way it used to be. You should be shown respect for the integrity of your field, we want to feel trust in the science that’s presented to us.
This site has become political too, but we can help push back the leftist/socialist push and return science back to where it belongs.
I’ll get down from the platform now.
Horrified that modern Germany would have an organiation called the ‘Federal Agency for Political Re-Education’, I assumed that the Viscount was indulging in a little sarcasm, but I put ”Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung” into Google Translate anyway and strangely it returned ‘Federal Agency for Civic Education.” However if ‘Politische’ is put in on its own it unsurprisingly returns ‘Political’. No doubt someone will tell me that it is to do with context, but it still sounds quite sinister to me. The weird thing that has happened in my lifetime is that the ‘progressive left’ have moved from being anti-establishment to becoming the establishment. Unfortunately although many are well-meaning, they all believe that they are uniquely virtuous and right about everything and that allowing any dissent is tolerating wickedness. The ultimate destination of this is ‘benevolent dictatorship’, which inevitably just becomes dictatorship.
@Jack Black, is this Queen you speak of Julia Jäkel ?
Jäkel became chair of the Bertelsmann Content Alliance, managing the collaboration among all content businesses in Germany.
– JPP
Sorry for the double post !
Why is anyone surprised? The EU is either an autocracy or a technocracy, not a Democracy. And their technocrats aren’t very good. But they do think they are infallible.
The communists were not permanently defeated by the Cold War, they simply changed their stripes and became Greenies. The same malign intentions are hidden by the veneer of environmentalism. Hence, the term “watermelons” to describe the…green on the outside but red inside.
Naomi, time to leave Germany for “greener” lands…..maybe a Red, White and Blue one.