Monckton: Naomi Seibt, the anti-Greta, needs your financial support now

Reposted from JunkScience.com

Naomi Seibt, the 19-year-old anti-Greta from Germany whose climate-skeptical Youtube videos have gone viral, needs your urgent financial help. Without a hearing, German officials have fined her and demanded costs on the ground that in her devastatingly effective videos she has dared to question the Party Line about what officialdom profiteers by presenting as “dangerous” manmade global warming.

As a result of this arbitrary and capricious prosecution and conviction without trial, Naomi has had her earnings cut off. Please donate securely and directly to her Patreon account at https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy. May I suggest at least $10 per month? That would be a real life-saver, and would enable Naomi to continue her valuable work.

Naomi was the star of the show at last year’s climate conference held in Munich by EIKE, the European Institute for Climate and Energy. She is an internet influencer with her own popular YouTube channel – so popular, in fact, that the totalitarian censors at YouTube have shadow-banned her channel, cutting her potential income from it by nine-tenths.

James Taylor of the Heartland Institute met Naomi in Munich and invited her to speak at the Heartland Conference in in December 2019 during the U.N. Gaia-worship haj in Madrid. Her five-minute speech attracted ten times as many YouTube hits as mine. Naomi has since been showing the Heartland Institute how to increase its internet presence.

Naomi recently received a letter from a functionary at the State Media Authority for North Rhine Westphalia, the region where she lives. The letter informed her peremptorily that, without a hearing, she has been found guilty of the alleged offence of exercising her right of free speech about the climate on YouTube in a manner that the letter described as not being “climate-friendly”.

What was such a value-laden term doing in an official letter from a public authority to its teenage victim?

In a subsequent letter, the Authority demanded a fine of about $400 and costs on top, and instructed Naomi that she must not mention the Heartland Institute in her videos. The insubstantial ground for this attempt at silencing Naomi was that such mentions constituted unlawful product placement under a recently-enacted law of the North-Rhine Westphalia region.

However the letter makes it clear that a video is held to contravene the new law if it does two things at the same time: it advocates any policy position unacceptable to the Gau (such as opposition to Germany’s crippling Energiewende) and, in the same video, to mention a named product or entity associated with that position (such as the Heartland Institute).

The Authority listed three videos by Naomi that it considered unlawful. In fact, the list demonstrates that the charges against her are false. The Authority trumped them up, inferentially at the behest of “climate-friendly” activists.

In the first of the three specific videos of which the Authority complains, Naomi made plain her opposition the Party Line, but did not break the law because she did not mention the Heartland Institute. At the time she made that video she had not even heard of it.

In the second video Naomi announced to her followers that she was collaborating with Heartland, but did not break the law because in that video she did not advocate any policy position, whether on climate or anything else.

In the third video, Naomi again expressed opposition to the official position on climate, but did not break the law because she did not mention Heartland.

On the facts, not one of these three videos offended against the law as the correspondence from the Authority chartacterizes it. The prosecution had no rational basis in fact or in law.

This is yet another instance of a traditional totalitarian tactic: to enmesh all who have publicly and effectively challenged the Party Line on climate in complex and costly legal wrangles, however ill founded, in the hope of muzzling them and cowing everyone else into silence.
Just ask Professor Peter Ridd or Dr Susan Crockford or Dr Tim Ball or Mark Steyn or countless others thus harried and bullied by the lavishly-funded watermelons.

The process is the punishment.

Naomi has engaged a lawyer pro bono. She has splendidly demanded that the Authority produce its entire file on this matter, including the identities of those who complained to the Authority about her. She has also demanded copies of all correspondence or conversations between the Authority and such questionable third parties as these.

The Authority has responded by sending a file that has been obviously, in-your-face redacted. It is manifestly reluctant to admit its unsavory links with whatever totalitarian groups had asked its fellow true-believers there to silence Naomi.

The Authority’s notice of prosecution culpably fails either to spell out or in any material respect to comply with Naomi’s right to a fair trial as laid down in the European Human Rights Convention, to which Germany is a signatory.

Naomi would be well within her rights to counterclaim against the Authority for damages for abuse of its power, for contravention of the Convention (which grants her the right to a remedy) and for causing her distress, alarm and offense without the slightest legitimate or reasonable justification.

The Authority’s motto is “Committed to freedom of expression”. Try to keep a straight face.

Bizarrely, the Authority’s motto is “Der Meinungsfreiheit verpflichtet”, i.e., “Committed to Freedom of Expression”. Yeah, right. I have seldom come across so striking an example of Orwellian Newspeak. To Orwell’s “War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength” we can now add “Silence is Free Speech”.

Naturally, this ghastly Authority belongs to the European Regulators’ Group for Media Services” (AARGH). It is not only Germany that is regulating freedom of speech once more. The European tyranny-by-clerk is at it as well – which is no small part of the reason why Britain has left.

Naomi would also be entitled to report the Authority to the police for the criminal offenses of fraud and of demanding money with menaces. For I have written twice to the Authority explaining that its prosecution of her is itself unlawful and that it should at once withdraw its impertinent and unlawful demand for the fine and costs it has levied without trial. However, I have received no reply to either letter.
Though Naomi could both sue and prosecute the polished Lederhosen off the Authority, the funds that will be raised by your kind and generous donations directly to her Patreon channel at https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy are for her personal use. She may or may not decide to spend the money on legal fees. If not, your kindness will support her videos.

The Authority knows from my letters that it is not entitled to the sums it has demanded. It persists in its unjustifiable and unlawful demand nonetheless. Therefore, its refusal to withdraw its menacing demand once it had been told exactly why that demand was unjustifiable establishes mens rea, the intent to do what is known to be wrong – in this instance, blackmail.

The Authority’s misconduct also satisfies the two tests for fraud. First, did it intend to deceive? Yes, in that it stated in writing that Naomi had committed offenses when it knew from the three videos on which its prosecution was founded that not one contravened its law. Even if it had originally erred, its failure to correct its error when I twice wrote drawing its attention to the error of its ways is compelling evidence of its fraudulent intent to deceive.

Secondly, did the Authority intend to profit for itself or to cause loss to its victim by that deception? Yes, in that it demanded a fine and costs to which it knew – once I had explained the matter to it, even if not before – that it was not entitled. Yet it has not withdrawn its demand.

Since it has failed to respond, I have written to the German Ambassador in London as follows, with copies to the Landesregierung (regional government) of North Rhine Westphalia and to the Bundeskanzlei in Berlin:

Your Excellency,

Suppression of free speech by German officials

HM Government is becoming increasingly concerned at attempts by certain political factions, here and worldwide, to circumscribe freedom of expression. It has come to my attention that the Landesanstalt für Medien Nordrhein-Westfalen (the State Media Authority in the North Rhine Westphalia region) has recently written a letter to Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old citizen of that region, unlawfully announcing that it has tried her without a hearing and found her guilty of offences arising from her exercise in YouTube videos of her right to free speech. The Authority can be proven to know that her remarks in the three specific videos of which it complains are not constitutive of any offence.

I do not represent Fräulein Seibt: I write as a citizen concerned that, yet again, free speech is being brought to an end in Germany. I have written twice to the Authority requiring it to cease and desist from its campaign against Fräulein Seibt, and asking it to clarify its understanding of the law of the Land, since Fräulein Seibt and I propose to make a series of videos on the climate question, and eventually a movie as well. But I have had no reply. Therefore, I should be grateful if Your Excellency would now act as follows:

1. Please invite the Authority to reply promptly and properly to my letters and to answer my questions about its interpretation of the law, and inform the Authority that, in the absence of any reply, I shall take it that the Authority now accepts that Fräulein Seibt is entitled to mention any legal person or opinion she wishes in her videos, whether or not those persons or opinions are regarded by the Gau as “climate-friendly”.

2. Please pass on to the Authority this my freedom-of-information request for the names and addresses, ages and occupations of all members of the governing board and senior staff of the Authority, specifying all potential conflicts of interest that they may individually or collectively possess, such as corporate or personal membership or contacts with environmental or other suchlike activist groups.

3. Please pass on to the Authority this my freedom-of-information request for all its internal and external correspondence or conversations in relation to this affair.

4. Please draw the attention of the Landesregierung and of the Bundeskanzlei to this international scandal.

I recommend that the Landesregierung should give Fräulein Seibt immediate, full and unreserved apology on behalf of the defalcating Authority, together with substantial compensation – I suggest $10,000, with $2500 costs – for the distress and alarm to which its misconduct has unjustifiably subjected her and her family.

The Authority’s ground of action, insofar as any such pretext can be discerned from its extraordinary correspondence, is that, under a recently-enacted law calculated to remove the right of free speech from those who disagree with State-sanctioned opinion, Fräulein Seibt has expressed opinions contrary to the official Party Line on the climate question.

It is a matter of profound regret that, once again, your nation is no longer safe for those who wish to speak their mind without being forcibly and unlawfully menaced, punished and silenced by the State for no better reason than that they have dared publicly and efficaciously to disagree with it.

The Authority’s letter flagrantly mischaracterizes Fräulein Seibt’s opinions on the question of global warming in a manner that is not only deeply offensive to her and lacking any rational justification in fact or in law but is also indicative of unlawful prejudice and even malice on the part of the Authority.

In particular, the Authority has seen fit to base its criminal allegations against Fräulein Seibt on its opinion that her contributions are essentially characterized by the statement that there is no scientific evidence of climate change caused by human behaviour. That is not and has never been Fräulein Seibt’s opinion: nor has she ever expressed any such opinion.

The Authority lists three viral YouTube videos made by Fräulein Seibt as being unlawful in that they call for the adoption of a particular policy (described in the letter as not being “climate-friendly”), and that they also mention the Heartland Institute by name, thereby offending against the law’s prohibition of product placement in broadcast material.

However, only one of the three videos mentions the Heartland Institute, and in that video Fräulein Seibt does not advocate any policy position, whether on climate or anything else. She merely reports to her followers the fact that she is working with the Institute. The other two videos do advocate policy positions uncongenial to the Gau, but they do not mention the Heartland Institute. Therefore, none of the three videos contravenes the law.

The Convention (Art. 6) obliges the Authority to inform Fräulein Seibt, promptly, comprehensibly and in detail, not merely of the legal characterization but also of the factual particulars of any offences that she is imagined to have perpetrated. Yet the Authority’s correspondence is woefully lacking in factual particulars, and such few factual particulars as it does furnish are demonstrably inaccurate, manifestly irrelevant and self-evidently not constitutive of any criminal offence.

The Authority culpably neglects to explain on what scientific grounds it regards the opinions that Ms Seibt has stated in her YouTube videos on climate change to be contrary to what it regards as “climate-friendly”. Where is the proper, balanced consideration of the scientific literature on the part of the Authority that is mandatory in such circumstances? There is none.

Worse, the Authority’s use of the term “climate-friendly” indicates that it has taken a policy position on the climate question, and has acted to silence Fräulein Seibt – at least in part – because it has foolishly adopted that position and finds her contrary opinion uncongenial. But the Authority is surely forbidden to found upon its own political prejudices in reaching its decisions on whom to prosecute – or, rather, to persecute.

The Authority mentions, as an accusation, that Fräulein Seibt’s opinions are “in contrast to those of today’s climate activists”. Is opposition to far-Left political activism now once again a criminal offence?

The Authority says Ms Seibt sees herself as “the voice of those who oppose socially-imposed rules of thought”. Is the Authority partisan, then? Surely it is supposed to be impartial? If Fräulein Seibt opposes the passive acceptance of whatever Party Line is currently fashionable, is that now, once again, a criminal offence in Germany?

The Authority says Fräulein Seibt mentions climate activists and their doings. Is it once again a criminal offence in the New Germany to criticize far-Left, anti-free-market activism?

The Authority characterizes Fräulein Seibt’s opinions as “ideological and political”. If she has a political ideology, is it not her right under the Convention to have one? Or is it now once again a punishable criminal offence in Germany publicly to disagree with the State?

The Authority says that, because the climate question concerns human living conditions, Fräulein Seibt’s views are characteristic of a “concrete worldview”, whatever that may be. Is it wrong to ask scientific questions about what the Authority naively and erroneously believes to be the settled science advanced by those with whom it takes sides in describing them as “climate-friendly”? Is the scepticism at the heart of the scientific method now once again a criminal offence in Germany?

The Authority says there is sufficient evidence that the inclusion of climate-related topics in Fräulein Seibt’s contributions to her own homepage “aims, as does the Heartland Institute, to strengthen the freedom of the individual and limit the influence of the State”. If that is the case, is it now once again a criminal offence in Germany to speak out for freedom?

The Authority says the Heartland Institute deals, among other things, with energy policy issues. Is energy policy a criminal offence?
Is mentioning the Heartland Institute a criminal offence? Or has the new law once again shut down free speech in Germany in flat contravention and wilful repudiation of the Convention to which Germany is a signatory?

The new law in Nordrhein-Westfalen, being defiantly incompatible with the Convention, is itself unlawful. The Convention expressly defends freedom of thought (Art. 9), of expression (Art. 10), and of assembly and association (Art. 11), as well as freedom from discrimination on ground of any opinion (Art. 14). The Authority’s prosecution offends directly, materially and flagrantly against all these Articles, as well as against Article 6 (Right to a fair trial).

Since my letters to the Authority have explained to it that it is acting unlawfully, and since the Authority has not only failed to reply but failed to withdraw its unlawful demand to Fräulein Seibt for a substantial fine and costs, the Authority and its relevant personnel appear to have committed the serious imprisonable offences of blackmail and of fraud.

If by the end of this week the Authority has not withdrawn its action against Fräulein Seibt, I shall write again inviting Your Excellency to pass the papers in this case to the Federal investigating authorities, who should then in my submission prosecute the Authority and its relevant personnel for blackmail and fraud. But let us give the Authority the chance either to redeem itself by withdrawing its action or at least to explain itself.

I look forward to hearing from Your Excellency by the end of this week. In view of the urgency of the need to bring this scandal to an end, I am making this letter public.

I remain, Your Excellency,

Your Excellency’s obedient servant,

Monckton of Brenchley

Please donate at least $10 a month to Naomi at her Patreon account: https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy.

To add insult to injury, Naomi has just received a package from the Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung (the Federal Agency for Political Re-Education). Inside the package were two magazine-style propaganda tracts rebarbatively regurgitating the Party Line on global warming.

Re-education is what we do. Come to our summer camp. And stay there.

Here is a typical extract from one of these propaganda pamphlets, ingeniously constructed so as falsely to imply that our impact on the climate is a great deal larger than what is measured. For instance:

“Without the greenhouse effect the average temperature on Earth would be about –18 degrees Celsius. But the significantly increased emission of CO2 and other greenhouse gases by humans is rapidly intensifying the effect and making the atmosphere noticeably warmer.”

Yet in the 70 years since 1950 the supposedly “rapid” “intensification” of the greenhouse effect has caused a barely perceptible warming of little more than five-sixths of a degree – well within natural variability:

Another misleading passage says:

“Methane is mainly produced in the stomachs of ruminants such as cows – which is why our meat consumption noticeably amplifies climate change – but also in rice cultivation, on waste dumps and in sewage treatment plants.”

Actually, the largest methane sources are likely to be abiogenic. Leaks from various Soviet-era Russian gas pipelines have quite a bit to answer for. And the largest biogenic source of methane is not what Congressman Sensenbrenner bluntly calls “cow farts”. It is termite ants.

Surely the Bundespropagandaamt has heard of the Greenpeace campaign to Save The Planet by eliminating all termite ants? Er, no, wait a minute …
Worse, the propaganda pamphlet’s assertion that “our meat consumption noticeably amplifies climate change” is wrong on the math and wronger on the medical science.

As to the math, about five-sixths of our influence on climate comes from CO2. Even if we pretended that methane accounted for all the rest, and even if we assumed that all of the five-sixths of a degree of warming since 1950 was our achievement, one-sixth of that five-sixths of a degree is a sizzling one-seventh of a degree. Pass the Factor 18 and give the punkah-wallah a prod, Jeeves.

Punkah-wallah in Hindi

So let us see whether one-seventh of a degree is “noticeable”, statistically speaking. The answer is “Not really”. The 2-sigma uncertainties in the HadCRUT4 data are about a seventh of a degree either side of the trend-line:

And then there’s the medical science. People who don’t eat meat will have to get most of their energy not from fats, which we have evolved over several million years to digest just fine, but from carbohydrates, the chief cause of the pandemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes in the West. The Left’s campaign against meat will kill far more people even than the Chinese virus.

Please help to liberate the millennial generation from relentless global-warming propaganda, and to ensure that freedom of expression is not killed off by the very entities who say that their mission is to protect it. Sign up today for at least $10 a month, and preferably $25 a month or more, at Naomi Seibt’s Patreon account. Thank you.

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Andy Espersen
May 19, 2020 11:08 am

Surely, Naomi can just ignore this fine – laugh it off.

Frenchie77
Reply to  Andy Espersen
May 19, 2020 11:28 am

Don’t laugh off german bureaucrats, ever. They stick together and fight together. She should be prepared to be threatened by multiple other agencies as well.

Ahhh germany, if ever there was a country that loves authoritarian control it is it. Lived there for 6 years, I know of what I speak. Hitler could really only have come to power in Deutschland.

Scissor
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 19, 2020 12:25 pm

Are you sure that Hitler could not come to power elsewhere? What about Austria? And besides, what about all of those dictators that have risen elsewhere?

Frenchie77
Reply to  Scissor
May 20, 2020 12:59 am

Yes, very sure, only in germany. What other dictators are you talking about? They don’t exist. They only dictator I ever hear about is hitler.

BobM
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 20, 2020 6:03 am

Hitler’s role model was Mussolini in Italy. He was a dictator. Hitler’s Bolshevik “nemesis” was Stalin. He was a dictator. Modern day we have Xi and Putin and some Democrat state governors.

Reply to  Frenchie77
May 20, 2020 1:50 pm

Stalin and Mao…

– JPP

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 20, 2020 8:08 pm

Scissor
Are you sure that Hitler could not come to power elsewhere? What about Austria?

Hitler was Austrian. Born there, raised there.

Frenchie77
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 21, 2020 1:25 am

I should use the /sarc tag more often I suppose.

The left only seems to know of Hitler, they really don’t like to speak of their Uncle Joes as dictators. After all, Mika never called trump a stalin.

Regardless, Hitler and Germany were a match made in hell. Yes, I am fully aware of his Austrian roots, but he didn’t come to power there.

Jonah Varlik
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 21, 2020 10:24 am

Cyril Ramaphosa. A real tin-pot African tyrant who takes orders from Winnie the Pooh.

Ian E
Reply to  Scissor
May 20, 2020 2:23 am

I should say that the UK is going there fast courtesy of covid19_84.

looncraz
Reply to  Scissor
May 20, 2020 5:39 pm

The thing that made Hitler unique is that he was an elected and popular leader who had the genuine full support of his people. He hid the atrocity of the holocaust… without which Hitler wouldn’t be remembered as such a horrible person at all, but as another failed socialist.

RockyRoad
Reply to  looncraz
May 20, 2020 10:23 pm

Really? Have you ever read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”? Hitler was genuine like Obama is honest!

…”failed socialists” don’t drag the majority of the world through a world war, or are you going to try to tell me that was caused by the US??

Hitler’s warmongering is alone sufficient to describe him as “a horrible person”!!

Tintifax
Reply to  Scissor
May 24, 2020 8:44 pm

In Austria before, Hitler was in Jail for his sick propaganda and was a loser in every way!

He always wanted to be a german citizen and one day he was.

And then he had the biggest political carrer in germany through manipulation, violence and the dirty behavior of the allies .

Bryan A
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 19, 2020 12:45 pm

If you can’t produce a video expressing a counter claim to Climate Change AND mention a corp like Heartland, then can you produce a video expressing a Pro Claim to Climate Change AND mention Heartland?

Would seem to me that even presenting a video about the perceived Climate Catastrophe AND mentioning the UN/IPCC/UNFCCC would be the same offence (Unlawful Product Placement)

Reply to  Bryan A
May 19, 2020 1:51 pm

You can’t use logic like that.

The assumption is climate skeptics and their organizations are BAAAD and Climate nut-jobs and their fascist organizations are GOOOD.

That’s the only logic available.

mothcatcher
Reply to  Bryan A
May 19, 2020 2:10 pm

This is looking to me like some kind of stunt. Did Lord Monckton really write this? Would he post it on JunkScience? I’d like to be reassured that this has some kind of substance behind it. It can’t actually be true, can it? Is somebody being set up?

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 19, 2020 2:50 pm

Yes, I wrote the piece. It is all true. I shall report again as further details come in. The piece was originally submitted to WUWT, but was then circulated to other skeptical outlets, several of which posted it immediately. That is why it appeared somewhere else first. This site has to accommodate numerous contributors, and I cannot and do not expect everything that I submit to be posted at once. I must take my turn along with everyone else.

The story is indeed an extraordinary one, and there are more revelations to come. It looks unbelievable because to us who live in freedom a law such as that which the “climate-friendly” appartchiks at the State Media Authority are relying upon seems to be an impossible concept.

Remember, though, that Europe no longer lives in freedom. It is now subject to the unelected tyranny-by-clerk of the European Kommissars. Increasingly, laws such as this are appearing on statute-books all over Europe. Most U.S. news websites are now no longer accessible to European internet users under the Kommissars’ “freedom-of-speech” laws.

What John Buchan called “the blanket of the dark” is descending again. But this case may well help to lift it. Have courage!

Jack Dale
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 19, 2020 3:13 pm

There are no links to such a story other than junk science and WUWT, including media that would normally be sympathetic and all over the story.
Her You Tube site is still up. She last posted on May 17.
She fund raises through Paypal, not Patreon.

Jack Black
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 20, 2020 2:41 am

Though MoB does indeed claim below, that he wrote this plea to the German Ambassador himself, as well as the story. I would like to know, since when did any Member of the British Aristocracy become an “obedient servant” to some appointed official of the new German Reich. The letter reads like something the late Peter Cook might have written for Private Eye magazine ….. from “Our Man at The Court of St. James?

It is indeed a strange plea to German officialdom from a man, who although a more than capable mathematician, researcher, analyst, and science policy practitioner, doesn’t actually at present hold any British Government Official position, and cannot therefore actually credibly represent himself as speaking on behalf of “HM Government” and their deemed increasing concerns, when writing to German Officials surely. Which of HM Government’s Officials have voiced such concerns and when?

With this letter to German Officialdom, alas MoB has muddied the waters of his own quite intriguing scientific arguments once more, and risks obfuscatory criticism from the brigades of green activists on grounds that have nothing to do with the facts and figures underlying the graphical representations of his scientific and mathematical hypotheses.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 20, 2020 3:04 am

Mr Dale, a paid troll for climate Communism whose lies are posted all over the internet, is lying again. Ms Seibt, like many of her generation, has multiple fund-raising streams on the internet. One of these is Patreon. It is necessary only to click the link to see that this is the case.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 20, 2020 1:47 pm

Can it actually be true? You better believe it. People not following the MSM – or government, it’s really the same – narrative have seen worse fate than this – like getting ended. Udo Ulfkotte comes to mind – but many others, and I am sure many of them unknown to me. I DO know a few tho. And I only know about the past few years, altho this is going on for ages, if not forever. She is probably too low of a danger, yet – or too much in the open. Eva Herman, a news-presenter, got booted, supposedly spreading Nazi theories, at least a decade ago – only because she wrote a book on motherhood, when she became a mother herself. She didn’t even realize herself what was going on at that time, neither did I. At that time I myself believed the narrative that she is a Nazi, simply because I did not even know why she was booted off MSM then, only that they told me she is a Nazi – which she obviously is not. She is one of the more important truthers out there now. It is unfortunate, that most people only get red-pilled, if that stuff happens to them.

beng135
Reply to  mothcatcher
May 22, 2020 7:55 am

Jack Dale, it’s all just a conspiracy theory by right-wing extremists and Klan members. Got ya. Oh, forgot to include homophobes, racists, white-supremacists, gun-lovers, Christians, old people and other assorted bigots.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 19, 2020 3:30 pm

Yes, I get that, Frenchie77. But this young lady is no ordinary citizen. She has international clout.

If she just ignores this fine, the authorities, rather than eventually arresting her for disobeying, would quietly drop the case. But, of course, this would all cause some discomfort for her.

george Tetley
Reply to  Andy Espersen
May 20, 2020 1:34 am

Living inn Germany I will not comment as it might bring trouble to me

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  george Tetley
May 20, 2020 1:51 pm

You must comment. If we are too afraid to say what is up, they’ll just tighten the noose more and more anyway. The ONLY way to not end in the 4th Reich IS to fight back.

People wait for a leader to free them. Freedom IS NOT GIVEN! Freedom IS ONLY EVER TAKEN! The person you are waiting for to free you is YOU. Noone else.

Reply to  george Tetley
May 20, 2020 2:27 pm

Depends on what you would like to say 😀 😀

Observer
Reply to  george Tetley
May 20, 2020 3:20 pm

Just say you agree with all and any official decisions to censor opinions in the interests of preserving freedom of speech, and you’ll be fine.

Rowland P
Reply to  george Tetley
May 21, 2020 5:35 am

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke.

Reply to  george Tetley
May 25, 2020 12:57 pm

How about the simple fact that climate change is almost entirely natural on the observed evidence? As big a threat to the German nation as were the Jews, and the supposed cure will end economic progress in a less lethal but equally disastrous way for your economy.

The supposed proof for this “existential threat” to Germany used the same combination of pure deceit and studied misrepresentation of the true facts in both cases, fake science and other propaganda that was unsupported or actually disproved by the known facts, and coercion by threat to follow the false “consensus” – AKA the lies and deceit of officials – so far without a Gauleiter in the Gau involved. Just a matter of time?

Perhaps patches will be enforced for those who speak the truth about climate change, or oppose the rhetoric of government that attempts to justify the €1 Trillion wasted on renewables to date, to no significant effect on any measure of policy? By law the masses supposedly support? Is that a reasonable summary of what is happening in Germany?

Democracy is fracked IMO. German masses will soon all be saluting the false climate and energy beliefs as articles of faith, and loyalty to the leader – oder der Blockleiter kommt.

Self evidently, Germans have short memories. IMO.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Brian R Catt
May 25, 2020 1:04 pm

“How about the simple fact that climate change is almost entirely natural on the observed evidence? ”

Please show the evidence / data that supports that assertion.

Solar activity would have us cooling.

Milankovitch cycles would have us cooling.

Meanwhile we are warming.

Juice
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 19, 2020 4:15 pm

Um. Russia? Central Asia?

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 19, 2020 5:39 pm

And the “vig’ keeps growing!

Jack Black
Reply to  Frenchie77
May 20, 2020 3:18 am

America has its Heartland Foundation, and The Ruhr has its Brost Foundation. Anyone who threatens the propaganda which is aimed at increasing the Global control of “The People and the Greater Good of The Ruhr” over us poor ignorant savages, inhabitants of the rest if Germany and The World, shall be “investigated” and harassed by the Brost Foundation’s Attack Dogs of the “Corrective”.

Thus it was that Fraulein Seibt found herself in the middle of a long running battle between oppressive socialism and libertarian democracy. Brost and his wife were the antithesis of Brzezinski, and before “Heartland” even existed to oppose those ideas. A lot of political conflict which besets the World today had its origins in pre WWII Poland, and its émigrés still like to interfere in “Western” democracies to this day.

There is much more to this story than the adoption of Seibt as an antidote to Thunberg, by Heartland, because the tentacles of the Brost Foundation are inextricably entwined in the thinking of 90 years old globalist dictatorial ethos, and its modern day adherents, such as John Holdren, The Ehrlichs, Bill Gates, Soros and their ilk.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Andy Espersen
May 19, 2020 2:43 pm

I don’t like the idea of fronting a 19 year old advocate any more than seeing Greta fronted on the other side. At least Naomi is technically an adult but nobody that young should shoulder that kind of pressure and attention. She needs some help to fight the fine and embarrass the German authorities while more or less staying out of sight. Others should take on this battle and it should be fought for the free speech of all. Not just Naomi and not just on this issue. The idea that the mechanisms of the state can be turned on one person for such a miserable excuse of a reason is absolutely disgusting.
Where are the political parties that stand up for the individual in Germany and promise legislation to limit the power of these authoritarians? How silly and weak is a government that can’t tolerate or formulate an argument with a 19 year old or rust it’s citizens to judge for themselves. Is it any wonder that the European nanny state is collapsing?

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  john harmsworth
May 20, 2020 1:58 pm

No-one is too young to fight the good fight. Should anyone ever have to fight the good fight? Is Naomi supposed to just shut up, if her teachers tell her propaganda? A child in Kindergarden should fight the good fight – if it could. It should not HAVE TO, but who is responsible for it? Not the Good in the world, but the Bad. So your argument is moot, since evil people surely won’t listen. No matter how much you hate the idea. I am grateful, for what she is doing, altho I wish someone more experienced would do it, since I see a lack of education, and experience, in her too. Yet, am I doing what she does? Are you? If you don’t like it, take her role then. What I really do not like, is couch warriors complaining.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
May 20, 2020 7:57 am

I saw Naomi on Fox News one time.

I was not impressed.

She started talking and did not stop for several minutes. I kept thinking she needed an off switch.

Sure, she was pretty and smart, but not a good communicator of climate science without a script.

Ms. “Thundering” Thunberg is a great communicator, of UN climate change porn, to excite fellow believers, assuming they like angry high school dropouts.

I prefer my climate science from people who are no longer teenagers !

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Richard Greene
May 20, 2020 8:21 am

Has Mr Greene got nothing better to do than grouch pointlessly?

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 12:49 pm

Monckton–I went to Patreon and there is not an option for a 1 time donation–I don’t ever like to sign up for ongoing contributions for various reason, not the least of which is my age..where is the one time contribution button and I will donate–but I will not contribute to a fund that is ongoing by default! Please get someone to change that… thanks, Shelly

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 1:05 pm

It’s not a “grouch”, he has a valid point. The abuse of teenage St Greta has been roundly and justly attacked by sceptics. To now adopt a similarly young and inexperienced person to argue the other side of the argument is two faced.

If Streib is being attacked by some bureaucratic body this needs to be exposed and attacked: which is why I and several others have been asking for the FACTS of the issue – only to be brushed off as “paid trolls” for someone or other.

That may mean some kind of defence fund if turns into a serious legal battle. I don’t see any need to sponsor her indefinitely to the tune of $25 a month “or more”.

Like Richard Greene I was not particularly impressed with her Heartland vids. She speaks very good English as many Germans do, but quickly made errors in her comments about climate. A very broad subject of which she only has a superficial understanding. That’s fine for her age, at least she has done her homework, but I don’t see much need for her to be lecturing us any more than skoolgerl tyrant Thunderberg.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Greg
May 20, 2020 2:05 pm

Only that Greta is backed by NGO’s that have more power than the average government, heck they are controlling all kinds of governments and she is acclaimed by all kinds of mainstream media – and Naomi is mainly backed by a few alternative media channels and curtailed by the MSM. This is a HUGE difference. I agree, that she is not very masterful in a debate – but unlike you and me SHE IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.

So, like I wrote before, you can stick your complaint up yours, as long as I don’t see you out in the open giving all you got – and even then.

Sorry, but I really don’t like idiots like you almost as much as I dislike those NGO’s – you are working towards the same end.

Reply to  Greg
May 20, 2020 4:28 pm

Thanks Greg
I had just added “grouch” to my resume, and referenced the source as “British royalty”.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 4:23 pm

Monktonc
I provided serious commentary about the effectiveness of a teenager’s ability to communicate climate science.

You replied in a nasty way that made you sound like an expert on grouchiness !

And what could be more pointless than your short reply to me?

Megs
Reply to  Richard Greene
May 20, 2020 5:18 pm

Richard I think it’s more the point that Naomi is bringing the debate about ‘climate’ out in the open. It really isn’t about climate after all is it. But if you cannot put your point of view across at all then it’s loss of freedom of speech. Naomi is fighting for freedom of speech. She is fighting for the rights of scientists who have been shut down to have a platform.

How many scientists on this site are willing to put themselves out there to fight the injustice of being shut down? You fear the loss of your job, your reputation, whether you can stand up to the ridicule and hate from AGW/leftist/socialists.

OK there are a few, notably Pat Frank and Alan Macrae and obviously the founder and the writers of regular posts on this site, sorry for those I didn’t name.

The thing is Richard, Naomi is an intelligent and articulate young lady and she appeals to the younger generation. She doesn’t have to have a PHD to put forward the idea that CAGW is a socialist lie, but she needs the freedom to put forward the idea! The people she is targeting don’t know all the scientific facts either any more than I do as a layman. But I don’t need to know all the scientific facts to know the injustice of ‘consensus science’, and that much of the garbage they are putting out as fact can be refuted by simple research. Naomi is fighting for the rights of scientists who have been shut down to have a wider platform, to refute the propaganda that is being fed to the public about climate.

At this point Naomi doesn’t have a long career to be taken from her, why wouldn’t we encourage her to speak to young people if she has the courage to do so. If she can inspire these young people to challenge the status quo and to apply logic to their research, isn’t that be a good thing? Maybe she can take some of the fear of speaking out for these young people too.

We can’t complain about the global socialist education system and then shut down the few young people who see through it.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Richard Greene
May 20, 2020 10:33 am

Mr. Greene,
She is young and full of energy. I’m sure she has figured out by now if you want to be heard, especially when discussing controversial subjects, one must be assertive. This is much better, IMO, than just sitting back submissively and saying nothing, which is what most people seem to do.

HotScot
May 19, 2020 11:25 am

Chris

I’ll bung in a tenner.

HotScot
May 19, 2020 11:27 am

Chris,

More importantly, I’ll circulate it as far as I can on FB. I have been banned from Twitter for an innocuous remark someone took offence to so I can’t do anything there.

It seems our German ‘friends’ are once again getting cocky.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  HotScot
May 19, 2020 12:35 pm

HotScot, well it is good to see that Ms. Seibt has legal counsel. This must be a great job for any lawyer, clearly the “Authority” has gone totally overboard and beyond its madate. For a lawyer, this must be what the Germans call” Gefundenes Fressen”. But who is this Authority? Which court? And how does one address this Monster? A St. George is called for.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
May 19, 2020 2:13 pm

In the meantime, St Christopher is doing his best, and readers of WUWT are being most generous in response to the appeal.

Gerald Browning
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 23, 2020 9:51 pm

I would like to mention here that a peer reviewed manuscript will soon appear in Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (abstract now available on DAO site) that mathematically proves
that climate and weather models are based on the wrong dynamical system of equations.
There is one and only one system that accurately describes large scale motions in the atmoshere and it is not the primitive (hydrostatic) equations used in all global climate and weather models. The manuscript introduces the correct dynamical system based on the mathematical Bounded Derivative Theory introduced by Heinz-Otto Kreiss.
Clearly this indicates that all results based on current IPCC models are of questionable value.

Jerry

Kräutermume
Reply to  HotScot
May 20, 2020 6:07 am

It is not the “Germans” who get high-spirited, but the fascist government and its henchmen, which demands extortionate and brutal violence, takes and censors – often enforced things with serious bodily harm in order to “get and enforce their rights”!
Often also by “visiting police and thugs like Antifa at home”, so that they get “right” … Nobody knows what’s really going on in Germany, except for us who live here.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Kräutermume
May 20, 2020 2:22 pm

So it is the Germans again? Actually you are far more closely related to those Germans you depict here than the average German. As per international convention – not that many people seem to care nowadays – blaming something on an ethnic or cultural group is called racism.

I did not vote for Merkel. Actually I don’t think “the Germans” voted for Merkel. Honnecker also got like 99.5% of the votes in the east german republic. 15 years Merkel? Impossible. She was installed, and if you look at her background, it becomes even more apparent. But you blame it on “the Germans”. Easy way out. Only that this route leads to where no-one want’s to go again. Well, let’s say few want to go again. I dont tho.

Steve Case
May 19, 2020 11:32 am

The letter informed her peremptorily that, without a hearing, she has been found guilty of the alleged offence of exercising her right of free speech about the climate on YouTube in a manner that the letter described as not being “climate-friendly”.

Uh, is this really true?

Reply to  Steve Case
May 19, 2020 1:28 pm

“is this really true?”
Good question. It would be more convincing if we were shown a copy of the letters, or at least a link.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 2:10 pm

Mr Stokes would be unwise to show his true colors by whining about this one. There are extensive references to the points made in the correspondence from the state media authority in the head posting.

Instead, he should be fair-minded enough to make a donation to Fraulein Seibt.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 2:23 pm

So why can’t we see what the letters really say?

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 2:52 pm

The vexatious Mr Stokes repeats himself, but to no good end. The head posting is already quite long enough. Updates will be provided in due course. I have been permitted to release the details I have released, but the correspondence is covered by legal privilege and there is a limit to what can be revealed at this time. However, I have done my best to characterize the main points of the “Authority’s” letter as fairly as I can within a reasonable compass.

Nylo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 11:07 pm

For once I will agree with Nick. At least for me, there is insufficient evidence presented to involve my own money on this. I have contributed my money to other climate skepticism and free speech-related causes, three times in the last year, but here I would need at least that this young lady speaks for herself about the situation, talks about it in her youtube channel and presents the evidence there. The stuff smells big time. It may all be true, or it may not. Currently, it smells like not, so let’s first change the smell.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 3:28 pm

Mr. Stokes could validate his worship of Saint Greta by showing us a video of her walking straight to a leaky tank of carbon dioxide. She should be able to identify the plume by sight, right?

Redge
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 2:03 am

Whilst I do trust MoB, I have to agree with Nick Stokes on this one.

I do believe MoB will release the letters when permitted to do so.

Until then, I’m with Nick.

Redge
Reply to  Redge
May 20, 2020 4:19 am

ok, I’ve been able to find this although I’m not sure how reliable it is.

link

According to the article Naomi is in trouble with the authorities but I can’t figure out why because the article is paywalled.

It sure looks like MoB is correct on this.

Greg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 2:25 pm

Exactly. I have no faith in CofB’s ability to objectively and truthfully report the “tyranny by clerk” of the “watermelons” in his enthusiastic plea for us to chip in $25 or more *every month* of skeptical socialism to this up coming bratwurst.

That may sound like peanuts to him but we are not all so kindly endowed with birthright wealth.

I thought Heartland was there for that sort of thing. They seem to appreciate her PR value, maybe they feed in a few pennies to sort out the fine she got by mentioning their name.

It is such a glaringly obvious omission, not to link any supporting evidence of this extra-judicial injustice that I am even more skeptical of how accurate this account is.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Greg
May 19, 2020 2:35 pm

Heartland is broke, thanks to its previous president.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 3:02 pm

Huh? Details, please.

Redge
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 6:35 am

If Heartland is broke, I guess that must mean the claims they are funded lavishly by Big Oil is false.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Redge
May 20, 2020 6:40 am

Heartland seems to be getting its funding through the dark mone channels such as the Atlas Network (Whish gets funding from the Donors Trust, also part of the dark money channel.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Greg
May 19, 2020 2:55 pm

Greg’s churlish prejudices are well known, and are contemptible. For a 70-year-old such as he to describe a 19-year-old with whose freedom-loving politics he disagrees in the manner that he has reflects no credit on him whatsoever. He is wasting his time here, but is at least reminding everyone of why it is that we need freedom of speech – precisely so that the likes of him do not succeed in their fell ambition of silencing all dissent forever.

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 2:03 am

CofB’s ability to misrepresent evidence and claim evidence exists where it does not is well known.

He invents an age for me, spuriously suggests I disagree with “a 19 year old” ( presumably Steib ) who I firmly agree with, all from his baseless assumptions, jumping to conclusions, attributing ideas and opinions to me without quoting a single thing I said.

That is EXACTLY why I don’t believe a word of his article without links to supporting evidence because this typical of how he works. That is not “churlish” is rightly skeptical of the claims of someone is has long record of misleading clams, false conclusions and cock-sure ignorance.

His response to my criticism of lack of supporting evidence, is not to provide any supporting evidence but start an irrelevant and mistaken ad hom attack. I wonder why that is.

Nuff said.

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 3:56 am

CofB would do well to watch Steib’s videos and start by following her four rules:

https://youtu.be/yp4gFwlrBZY

sycomputing
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 4:53 pm

He invents an age for me . . .

I’m with you Greg. When MoB said you were a “70-year-old,” I just couldn’t believe I was that far off.

I mean, I had you pegged at 15 tops . . .

🙂

Jack Black
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 20, 2020 3:29 am

You can believe this is all true and very much more, if I’m not mistaken.

When the “Correctiv” are involved in any such exposé, you can be sure that The Brost Foundation are behind that. Any threat to the dominance of The People and interests of The Ruhr, within Germany and the wider European theatre, and indeed the World, will be strongly resisted and attacked by The Brost Foundation and its coterie of shameless sociopaths.

Kräutermume
Reply to  Jack Black
May 20, 2020 6:15 am

That is true and perfectly correct. They are not afraid of serious physical harm and murder.

richard
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 20, 2020 3:47 am

I have to agree you with you.

Mr Monckton, just post the letter. It’s that simple.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 20, 2020 2:26 pm

Kind of funny how people gobble down all kind of crap the MSM spews out, but as soon as something like this comes up they want to see all kinds of proof. Nothing against primary sources, per se – quite the opposite, but how the system works should be apparent by now. If you still need proof, you are still wide asleep. I believe this in a second, simply because it happens all the time with critics of the MSM/government narrative.

Greg
Reply to  Herr Herrmann Mann
May 21, 2020 2:56 am

What “people” do you imagine you are talking about. I don’t believe a thing I read in MSM unless I can check. That applies here. Especially with Monckton who has just as much bias and agenda as MSM but with a different leaning.

Being a skeptic means you ask questions, it does not mean you only ask questions about one side of an argument and give a free pass to “your side”.

I would like to argue for Seibt if she has been unfairly attacked. To do that I need FACTS, not unsupported claims of someone in whom I have no faith.

sycomputing
Reply to  Greg
May 21, 2020 5:28 pm

Especially with Monckton who has just as much bias and agenda as MSM but with a different leaning.

Ok, which way is Monckton leaning? What’s your theory here? Has MoB just been duped, or is he duping all of us or what?

There’s skepticism and then there’s derangementism.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Steve Case
May 20, 2020 10:48 am

I don’t always agree with Christopher Monckton, however I’ve yet to see him outright fabricate a story or intentionally mislead. So I will trust him on this and will continue to do so unless given reason not to. This is a basic courtesy that I extend to everybody: I trust them until they prove untrustworthy. Over time, if they continue to prove trustworthy, I grant them more. Of course, this has it’s limits; few people ever earn unconditional trust.

I don’t think I could go out into the world if I believed that everybody was lying to me and trying to cheat me. Certainly some are, and it would be wise to keep an eye out for that, but to have the base assumption that all strangers are in that group – well it’s just to dark a vision for me and I feel sorry for anybody that thinks that way.

Izaak Walton
May 19, 2020 11:35 am

Mr. Monckton,
I assume that you got your letter translated into German or do you just expect
that everyone will speak English? Do you really expect that somebody in Germany
will pay any attention to a letter written in a foreign language by a complete stranger?
Just think what an American civil servant would do with a letter written in Germany
complaining about the US legal system?

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 19, 2020 12:02 pm

I guess he (the American recipient) would simply have it translated. Not a big deal. Unlike your snark.

clipe
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 19, 2020 1:21 pm

“Since it has failed to respond, I have written to the German Ambassador in London …”

HotScot
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 19, 2020 1:34 pm

Izaak Walton

Chris wrote to the German Ambassador in London.

Shall I repeat that or does it now have some meaning for you.

The German Ambassador in London negotiates with the British Government so probably has a better command of the English language than you do.

Sheesh……

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  HotScot
May 19, 2020 2:28 pm

Most grateful to HotScot, as so often, for his excellent intervention. I wrote to His Excellency in English because he would be far more likely to understand that than any attempt on my part to correspond with him in German.

The Ambassador cannot afford to ignore this matter, for I have explained in my letter to him (see the head posting) why a prima facie case against the State Media Authority for blackmail and fraud would be likely to succeed. If His Excellency were to ignore my letter, and if it were subsequently to come to light that the Authority was indeed guilty of fraud, His Excellency would, by failing to pass on the papers to the investigating authorities, run the real risk of being held to have contributed to the fraud by his inaction.

His Excellency, although newly appointed, is more than usually competent. He will know the rules. At present I have merely drawn his attention to this affair and have invited him to pass on my concerns to the State Media Authority, which has failed to respond to any letters from me. However, at the end of the week, if I shall not have heard from the Authority, I shall be writing to His Excellency again, this time to request that he refer the papers to the Federal and Land investigating authorities for consideration of prosecution.

The rules of diplomacy are very clear on this point. If a serious imprisonable offense is credibly alleged – and readers of the head posting will be able to form a view on whether it is credibly alleged – then His Excellency must – not may, but must – pass the papers on to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin with a request that the Ministry should forward them to the investigating authorities.

His Excellency is not obliged to endorse my recommendation that the authorities should investigate: but not to pass such allegations on, provided that a prima facie case is evident, is a career-ending move. I used to work in this world, and that is how it works.

Jack Black
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 3:54 am

Write instead to the governing trustees of the Brost Foundation, and its enough to say that there is a mere suspicion of their involvement in corrupting local and federal officials, because as we all know there us nothing that secretive plotters fear more than exposure and his this might look to the general populace of The Ruhr for example. Zurich Bankers can’t possibly be seen to be involved in funding these sorts of shenanigans, let alone certain individuals with links to Klosters. Should Brost bring shame and public attention to hitherto unknown schemes of influence, then available capital can easily be made to dry up, on the side of one’s antagonists.
Or so I surmise without prejudice.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 25, 2020 1:19 pm

Nicely deposited then, the bureaucrats must follow their own rules to keep climbing the career ladder, und Befehl ist Befehl deposits your missive in the right place from a direction which means it must be read. Wonder what the local authorities will do…

We have a different system, this is like Surrey County Council fining me for objecting to their false based policies, when the facts support me and they understand so little themselves. Our system means all this is unnecessary, as the law makers can simply ignore the facts and vote for their assertions, so the people are “heard”, BUT the truth can be ignored, because the law affords truth no precedence over over deceit, as long as its voted for democratically. Britischer Demokratik.

Greg
Reply to  HotScot
May 19, 2020 2:35 pm

“Since it has failed to respond, I have written to the German Ambassador in London …”

Writing to the Embassy was probably the legitimate course of action. That was not the first port of call apparently. So I sheesh your sheesh.

How much notice would Ofcom take of someone in Germany with no links to UK complaining, in German, about a decision it made against someone in the UK? However important they considered themselves to be in Germany.

Imagine how worried any US authority would be about the righteous rantings of his limey lordship.

Now it is quite possible that some real injustice was done here, which is why some supporting evidence would have been a good idea.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Greg
May 19, 2020 2:56 pm

Don’t whine. Contribute to the appeal.

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 2:21 am

There is no “appeal”. You link to her Patrion page where we can send her money but there is no “appeal” and no mention of the attack you report here.

It shows she has a monthly revenue of over 700 euros , which is great and should easily cover the 400 “fine” of which you provide no evidence.

If there is real injustice here we need FACTS to prove it and opposite it . Not unsubstantiated claims from a serial misleader, who refuses cite anything and thinks and ad hom attack is better than a reply providing documentary evidence of the alleged wrong-doing.

She’s a fine young lady and speaks well but I’m sure her parents have more money than I do. So let me be the one decides who I chose to support, with how much and on the basis of what FACTS.

So far you have the profile and credibility of a Nigerian scammer.

Megs
Reply to  Greg
May 19, 2020 7:39 pm

Greg this very site exists because freedom of speech is already a farce. MSM has almost completely shut down any discussion that does not support AGW. Most of the scientists visit this site and make valuable contributions because ‘their’ science is refuted by politicised science. They don’t have a voice, they have been shut down.

Consensus science must be exposed for what is is, rubbish. A nineteen year old girl is more likely to reach young people. She is intelligent and articulate, people listen to her and she doesn’t need a script. She can make a difference, that’s why they are endeavoring to shut her down! She can help bring back ‘real’ scientific debate.

We have to try to hold on to whatever opportunities we have to promote freedom of speech!

Kräutermume
Reply to  Megs
May 20, 2020 6:26 am

True words, you speak from my heart.
Yes, this page is on my subscription and exists. She is a good intelligent girl and educates like “Neverforgetnicki”, who is also in the age of the young lady. We must take every opportunity to ensure freedom of expression!

Michael 2
Reply to  Greg
May 19, 2020 7:51 pm

“How much notice would Ofcom take of someone in Germany with no links to UK complaining, in German, about a decision it made against someone in the UK?”

I expect serious investigation would be promptly made. International embarrassment is sometimes more serious than internal embarrassments which can be swept under a rug.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  HotScot
May 20, 2020 2:28 pm

Wanna continue this discussion in German? More logical and precise than english anyway. I assume you’d fail miserably. Arrogance blinds.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 19, 2020 3:38 pm

In Europe, pretty much everyone speaks at least a little English. I’d be very surprised if most of the big wigs of all the major government depts weren’t already fluent in the language.

Van Doren
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2020 4:11 pm

Merkel probably isn’t.

Michael Ozanne
Reply to  Van Doren
May 20, 2020 1:23 am

James Bull
Reply to  Izaak Walton
May 20, 2020 1:26 am

This reminds me of the tale of a Welsh language zealot who wrote in Welsh to his local (in Wales) health authority in response to a letter they had received in English and was outraged when they got a reply in Urdu from the Indian Doctor to whom his Welsh letter went.
Once I’ve slept off my night shift I’ll work out how much to give to this Heroic Lady (both words that will wind up the left with their newspeak)

James Bull

Pat Frank
Reply to  James Bull
May 20, 2020 10:02 am

If the reply was in Urdu, the doctor was more likely a Pakistani.

Wayne Moore
Reply to  Pat Frank
May 20, 2020 11:23 pm

please excuse any ignorance on my part, but I thought Urdu was written in the Muslim script and was influenced by Persian. It is thus not restricted to Pakistan. Hindi is related but is written in a different script and was influenced by Sanscrit

Pat Frank
Reply to  Wayne Moore
May 21, 2020 10:44 am

Wiki says Urdu is based in Persian (as you suggested, Wayne), which in turn is based on Arabic. There isn’t a Muslim script.

Gerald Browning
Reply to  Pat Frank
May 23, 2020 9:58 pm

Hi Pat,

My manuscript is now in press at Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans. The abstract is already available on their site. I will post the original version (before review) or a link to the accepted article on climateaudit thanks to Steve.

Jerry

Pat Frank
Reply to  Gerald Browning
May 24, 2020 7:31 am

Jerry, congratulations! That’s great news! 🙂

Please consider writing a layman’s version to post here at WUWT.

Everyone needs to know your result, and grasp the meaning of it.

Right-Handed Shark
May 19, 2020 11:36 am

I would like to think that if Germany has a “Federal Agency for Political Re-Education”, it would be for those that believe the nazis were right.

Looks like it’s operated BY them.

Kräutermume
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
May 20, 2020 6:37 am

You are right, because here Nazis rule the people in the government because they continue and continue the laws of National Socialism – including their sentence, which is draconian.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
May 20, 2020 2:33 pm

You got it.

Phil Rae
May 19, 2020 11:41 am

These are dark days, indeed!

When the state seeks to silent dissenting opinions of innocent individuals by threats and financial penalties, it is very troubling. When those dissenting opinions are based on scientific disagreement with the official “consensus” we are witnessing attempts to roll back the Enlightenment and reestablish the authority of the new religious authorities!

Truly frightening!

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Phil Rae
May 19, 2020 2:58 pm

Mr Rae is right. It is particularly galling that it is the side of the debate that is scientifically correct that is being silenced. But the truth will prevail. Magna est veritas, et praevalet.

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Phil Rae
May 19, 2020 11:48 pm

Meanwhile, Greta, who’s every word is broadcast loud and long, says that ‘they’ try so hard to silence ‘us’, without needing to produce any evidence whatsoever as to who ‘they’ are, what they have done to silence her- as if anything ever could…

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  ANDY MANSELL
May 20, 2020 2:34 pm

Being backed by NGO’s that control all kinds of governments and getting time on MSM. They switch everything around – it seems like that actually is the only tactic they know.

Jack Black
Reply to  Phil Rae
May 20, 2020 3:45 am

But it isn’t the German State that’s even in charge of their own politics. The EU Central Bank (German Central Bank) is busted, and as the EU disintegrates before our eyes, German Regional power brokers, such as those in The Ruhr is. The Brost Foundation, and its ilk, with stashes of foreign capital, now take the opportunity to buy influence and settle old scores. This is how Fraulein Seibt found herself being attacked as a Heartland Pawn, by some Bishops and Knights on the European chessboard. Worse is yet to come, and it’s a poor strategy to over support a mere pawn, instead of going after the opposing minor pieces, Rooks and Queen, and forcing a resignation or at least the stalemate of the opposition King.

M Courtney
May 19, 2020 11:47 am

Greens – Germans – Suppressing other views – No trial or chance of appeal…

Sounds familiar.

John Tillman
Reply to  M Courtney
May 19, 2020 2:49 pm

+1933!

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  M Courtney
May 20, 2020 2:41 pm

Would people like you stop blaming it on Germans? Divide et impera, again and again, and you don’t even see, that you spew Nazi propaganda yourself. This is all a game between people governing over other people. Those in power do not care about nationality, and they did not 1933. They care about more power. If you follow the “it was the Germans” narrative, this will lead to another go at that. Rather help us german humans to get rid of Merkel and the rest of the corrupt baggage. You are not doing this by hitting the same buttons, that kept us normal folks powerless for the last 75 years. Also, it is not like the supression of the views of others ain’t going on in the whole world right now. I don’t even care where you are from – it is the same in your country. So did we suddenly win WWII? The Nazi’s did, for sure, the Germans did not.

Megs
Reply to  Herr Herrmann Mann
May 20, 2020 6:02 pm

“Would people like you like to stop blaming it on the Germans”

I can understand that to you it seems that way but I think it’s more about the fact that Naomi is deemed to be persecuted by her own people, Germans. Most people have little understanding of the politics of nations other than their own. We are, all of us ignorant of things we know little about. Some of us think we know enough to speak out and totally get it wrong. Some of us haven’t got it in us to admit when we are wrong.

The people who frequent this site are well aware that there is a socialist push globally in the guise of CAGW and I don’t believe that too many people would be looking to blame any one nation. Unfortunately there are socialists/communists in almost every country. The movement is growing and evolving. If it reaches fruition life will not change for the elite. Socialism is supposed to remove the disparity between rich and poor. Give me the name of one Socialist leader who is not obscenely rich, whilst his own people are struggling. For those not considered elite, life for them will change forever and their freedom will be gone. It’s all about control.

I have visited Germany, last time was about 5 years ago. I love the scenery, the wine regions and hilltop castles. I loved the architecture and we were always treated well by it’s people. The speed on the autobahn was just a fun thing!

Keep up the fight, though it isn’t easy to fight hate you are not alone. Hopefully we’ll have a voice in MSM soon.

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 19, 2020 11:47 am

The Stasi never really was disbanded, clearly. Or was it the Gestapo morphed into Stasi? My good father told me of the “gauleiter”, the local fascist, usually a collaborator who ruled the neighbourhood and reported on anything not to the liking of the occupier. They hang from lampposts after the liberation.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 19, 2020 12:47 pm

Or was it the Gestapo morphed into Stasi?

In my believe, there was never a difference. The Stasi “Blockwart” knew all what happend

Hari Seldon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 20, 2020 2:09 am

Sorry to say no. Stasi was an original (and later improved) copy of the wellknown soviet KGB.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 20, 2020 12:16 pm

Krishna: This is not just a 75yr old history. When the Iron Curtain (and Berlin Wall came down) freedom rushed in … but apparatchicks purposely skulked out, too and here we are today with EU, UN NGOs, every University structure, every scientific society, every government department, education heirarchies, foundations … largely taken over by, if not the apparatchiks themselves, their pupils, useful idjits, and a now steady flow of néomarxiste propags propagated from our own schools and universities.

From a nation of chess players playing the long patient game, who’s to say they haven’t been winning the Cold War? Was the fall of walls and curtains only the first moves of
a King’s Gambit?

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 19, 2020 1:10 pm

The Stasi certainly in part was based on the Gestapo. A Gauleiter was of course never a fascist, but a Nazi. These things are not the same. A Gauleiter ruled a region, that is any number of neighbourhoods, and he was never able to do anything not to the liking of the occupier, because Grossdeutschland was not occupied, but ruled by the native Nazis. And Germany was not liberated, but conquered and occupied by the Western Allies and the USSR.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
May 19, 2020 1:44 pm

I was refering to collaborators in occupied Netherlands.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
May 19, 2020 2:18 pm

Let us be a little careful of drawing analogies with specific entities of the unhappy National Socialist state of the mid-20th Century. It is certainly disappointing to see freedom of speech thus again circumscribed by public authorities, but beyond saying that much it would not be prudent or fair to go.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 1:27 am

Agreed and point taken. I have many German colleagues who will be horrified by what happened to Naomi.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 3:05 pm

I disagree. Maybe as author of the post you have to be careful, but it is the same people doing the same things again and again. The COVID laws are nothing but a new Ermächtigungsgesetz. We are marching forward into the 4th Reich, if people do not realize that it is the same powers behind all this again, using the same tactics. Who controls that you wear a mask when going shopping? The supermarket. The new laws apply to the citizen, not the shops. So the put it in their terms and conditions on their own. And the guy working in the supermarket acts like the Blockwart, who wont let you shop if you don’t wear a mask, blindly following his superiors, even tho they are not controlling him directly. What could happen to him if _I_ don’t wear a mask? Nothing. Yet I – or you – get thrown out of a supermarket if you do not wear a mask, by the employees – no employer being around and no law even enforcing it.

Considering those laws being lawful (which they clearly are not) – the ONLY ONE having the right to charge you for not wearing a mask would be the POLICE. And no, supermarkets can not (could not) claim domestic authority, according to past legal practice in Germoney. But then, those limitation of the German Amendments, as you could call them, are _unlawful_ as they cannot be taken. The first 20 Grundrechte are unchangeable – and can only be taken in very specific instances and never generally for everyone. That is why this is another Ermächtigungsgesetz. Every German should realize that in their sleep.

Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
May 20, 2020 2:52 pm

Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis. All socialists are fascists. Not gonna provide a proof. One gets it if one figures out where socialism really originated from. Gauleiter, Blockwart – where is the difference? Right and Left are different sides of the same coin. We are supposed to be stuck in that paradigm. It is easy to break out of it tho, if one understands that it really is about freedom and self-responsibility vs the Right/Left-paradigm (or any kind of authoritarian system).

Jack Dale
Reply to  Herr Herrmann Mann
May 20, 2020 7:03 pm

The political spectrum from the grade 12 curriculum in Alberta, Canada

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Herr Herrmann Mann
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 20, 2020 2:46 pm

Awaiting liberation desperately. I’m not going to hang anyone, but I do see them hanging nevertheless. I am trying not to just wait – but there is only so much one can do, or even think off, when trapped in a box for all your life. Not complaining too hard tho, cuz it’s the same for people everywhere. Germany is just a little bit more special in that regard. Not much.

Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 11:54 am

Oscar Wilde nailed it.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. (or should that be Gretaness?)
Oscar Wilde

Harry Passfield
May 19, 2020 11:57 am

Personally, I’d want to see the actual LAW (when enacted; by whom; and to what purpose) that Naomi has transgressed. As described by CM I can’t think of anything more anti-free-speech. Speaking out against AGW seems to be on a par with Holocaust-denial. There’s a thought….

Reply to  Harry Passfield
May 19, 2020 1:30 pm

“Personally, I’d want to see the actual LAW”
A start would be to see these alleged letters.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 2:12 pm

A start would be to shout less and read more, starting with the head posting, where the content of the correspondence from the State Media Authority is extensively described.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 2:25 pm

Not shouting. Just wanting to see what the letters really say.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 2:59 pm

Read the head posting, and don’t whine. Contribute. Astonishing how the trolls are out on force here yet again.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 3:01 pm

Nullius in verba

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
May 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Iam iam tempus erat nobis nova quaerere rura.

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 2:36 am

Iam iam tempus erat nobis nova quaerere rura.

I guess that means something like : I am, I am an angry, erratic noble new to providing factual evidence.

Again, instead of intelligently backing up the claims he made in the article, Monckton of Brenchley replies with accusations of “whining” and “shouting” and insults to those who request EVIDENCE of the claims he is making.

By this stage the likelihood that he is totally mispresenting the facts is getting louder, the longer he refuses to do what would so obviously bolster his case and garner support for it.

Alexander Vissers
May 19, 2020 12:02 pm

This is very worrying indeed but just let it go to court (do not settle for the fine), German courts will not go along with this kind of government lack of legality and diligence. It will jump in the agency’s face.

Reply to  Alexander Vissers
May 19, 2020 12:49 pm

Sure ?? I am not, at least in the first, regional instance.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 19, 2020 2:16 pm

In response to Mr Vissers, I am still trying to get to the bottom of how the Verwaltungsgerict fuer Nordrhein-Westfalen (the Administrative Court for North Rhine Westphalia) operates: but, as best I can make it out, its procedures are incompatible with the European Human Rights Convention in that, if any victim of a body such as the ghastly State Media Authority wants to protest against the fine and costs inflicted without trial by the Authority, he or she must first pay into court the full amount of the fine and costs.

I am seeking urgent clarification and shall in due course be submitting an amicus curiae brief to the court.

Alexander Vissers
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 12:11 am

In general the first instance remedy is a protest to the instance that issued the fine (Beschwerde). The delivered fine document cites the remedy. Only if the protest is not successful an appeal to the court (Berufung) is open. Of course you can take this all the way up to the Bundesverfassungsgericht if the NRW state law is in conflict with federal law and or to the European Court of Justice if it is in conflict with the European Human Rights Convention.

Kräutermume
Reply to  Alexander Vissers
May 20, 2020 6:58 am

German courts never speak right for Germans … only for “newly traveled citizens and family clans from other areas”, for Germans there is no justice and no case law from these courts … they are completely wrong! We as Germans live in a “legal space”, because our “basic law has been obsolete for 30 years and the rule of thumb and the force of arms of the strongest have prevailed here” … Only most Germans don’t know that … Knowledge is a fault and such almost no one here really knows the applicable and valid law and law …they don’t will speak right for this young girl – you will see it…

We the people from Germany haven’t any Rights of Law Rights…

chris
May 19, 2020 12:12 pm

why doesn’t Heartland pass on some of their coal and oil money? Or better, make her a full-time employee.

Jack Dale
Reply to  chris
May 19, 2020 12:15 pm
Derg
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 2:40 pm

I love the headline “climate denial group“

Jack, in your world are you considered a holocaust denier? You sure seem like one.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Derg
May 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I avoid the use the term “denier” I prefer “dismissive of climate science”, which I further categorize into “the deceivers” and “the deceived.”

My undergrad major was twentieth century history. My father served in the occupational army after WWII and saw the aftermath of the Holocaust.

Your false equivalence is an insult to both the victims and the survivors of the Holocaust.

Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 3:53 pm

The first comment of many you wrote I appreciate, at least the last point.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 11:40 pm

I prefer “dismissive of climate science”, which I further categorize into “the deceivers” and “the deceived.”

I agree. I think that is an incredibly accurate categorisation of Climate Science!

Derg
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 2:25 am

But you don’t mind posting articles when someone else does it…gothcha Jack. You are a fine human indeed.

fred250
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 4:11 pm

Please tell us what is denied, that you can actually provide real scientific proof for, Jack?

otherwise your “denier” term is akin to saying the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause doesn’t exist.

Or saying you “deny” Grimm Bros fairy tales.

Jack Dale
Reply to  fred250
May 19, 2020 4:13 pm

A re-post.

I avoid the use the term “denier” I prefer “dismissive of climate science”, which I further categorize into “the deceivers” and “the deceived.”

My undergrad major was twentieth century history. My father served in the occupational army after WWII and saw the aftermath of the Holocaust.

Your false equivalence is an insult to both the victims and the survivors of the Holocaust.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 5:22 am

I avoid the use the term “denier”

Since you happily posted a link with a variation of that word (denial-group) in it, you lie, as you didn’t avoid the term by posting that link (there are plenty of other sources you could have linked to that do not use that word in their links, but you chose to use the one that has that word in it instead of avoiding it like you falsely claim you do).

You insult both the victims and the survivors of the Holocaust by so promoting such sources instead of choosing any of sources that don’t use that term in their links

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 8:01 am

Mr Dale, a paid troll for climate Communism, should learn that climate skeptics are not dismissive of climate science: they oppose hard-Left propaganda masquerading as “science”.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  chris
May 19, 2020 2:28 pm

Naomi used to have a contract with Heartland Institute, but Naomi decided not to extend it due to severe bullying (death threats etc.). She produced a video about her relationship with Heartland, where she explains she will continue unpaid co-operation with them.
The video might have been German, I don’t remember.

otsar
May 19, 2020 12:14 pm

The Germans seem to have a hard time keeping that right arm down.

Oldseadog
May 19, 2020 12:17 pm

I would prefer to give a one-off donation but don’t seem to be able to do that on the link. Anyone know how?

J Wurts
Reply to  Oldseadog
May 19, 2020 3:19 pm

I imagine you could donate “X” dollars per month for two or three months and then cancel.

Oldseadog
Reply to  J Wurts
May 20, 2020 4:30 am

Never thought of that.
I tried and found that no payment will be taken until 1st. June, so I’ll hold off for a week or so and then do it.

David Roger Wells
May 19, 2020 12:20 pm

Yes I will donate!

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  David Roger Wells
May 19, 2020 2:29 pm

Most grateful to Mr Wells and to all others who have so generously donated.

May 19, 2020 12:23 pm

Methane (CH4) does not stay in the atmosphere for or than a few years. It combines with oxygen in the air to form CO2 and H20 (water vapor), but not much because Methane atmospheric content is measured in parts per billion.

Steve Case
Reply to  Richard Petschauer
May 19, 2020 1:51 pm

Richard Petschauer May 19, 2020 at 12:23 pm
Methane (CH4) does not stay in the atmosphere … blah … blah … blah … blah … blah …

The real question to ask is, how much will methane run up global temperatures. You know, in degrees. The IPCC tells us about Global Warming Potential numbers, CH4 accordingly is 86 times more powerful than CO2 at trapping heat. A very impressive number indeed, but it doesn’t tell us what the actual rise in global temperature would be. As I recall, you’re an engineer, and should be able to figure it out. Methane is increasing about six or seven parts per billion every year. How much is that going to increase global temperatures by 2100?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Steve Case
May 19, 2020 3:51 pm

86 times more powerful, and 2000 times less than CO2. So I’m going to hazard a guess at zero. About the same as CO2 compared to water vapour.

Steve Case
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
May 19, 2020 5:56 pm

Right-Handed Shark May 19, 2020 at 3:51 pm
86 times more powerful, and 2000 times less than CO2. So I’m going to hazard a guess at zero. About the same as CO2 compared to water vapour.

Local and regional governments are being bamboozled by the GWP numbers into legislating against methane without ever thinking to ask, “How much is methane actually going contribute to climate change?”

Jordan
Reply to  Steve Case
May 20, 2020 2:56 pm

Global Warming Potential is unscientific. It is purely a figment of global climate models. You cannot observe (measure) it in the real physical world. If you cannot observe it, it’s not Popper Falsifiable.

Owen
Reply to  Steve Case
May 22, 2020 8:12 pm

Happer’s paper says 0.05 degrees.

James McGinn
May 19, 2020 12:26 pm

I think this approach can be further exploited. Next we should gather kittens and puppies from alarmists and compare them with kittens and puppies gathered from deniers. We can then see if we can arrive at a consensus as to whose is cuter.

Science marches on.

James McGinn / Genius
Solving Tornadoes: Woke Meteorology
https://anchor.fm/james-mcginn

Reply to  James McGinn
May 19, 2020 1:52 pm

Not much of a contest. We know they torture their pets.

Bill Murphy
May 19, 2020 12:27 pm

Sent my €25. She has the courage to speak up, the least we can do is help.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Bill Murphy
May 19, 2020 2:30 pm

Many thanks to Mr Murphy for his generosity. That will be a real help to Naomi Seibt.

Tim Spence
May 19, 2020 12:27 pm

Too outrageous to be tagged ‘climate ugliness’, perhaps ‘climate fascism’

May 19, 2020 12:29 pm

No Anti-SLAPP in Deutschland?

Robert Watt
May 19, 2020 12:31 pm

It seems the Friesler court mentality is still alive and well in Germany!

Gordon A. Dressler
May 19, 2020 12:45 pm

I never thought that the phrase would ever be appropriate again, but this development leads me to state “Sieg Heil, State Media Authority for North Rhine Westphalia . . . your service to the Vaterland has earned you the Iron Cross medal.”

Partially translated from German, of course.

Nick Graves
May 19, 2020 12:55 pm

That Landesanstalt für Denkverbrechen NRW website is quite scary.

“90% of 18-24 year olds think they might have seen fake news…we will pursue, not censor!” That sort of thing.

Egregious state overreach.

Buckeyebob
May 19, 2020 1:18 pm

Nazionalsocialismus. Figures from the birthplace of Socialism, National Socialism and Communism.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Buckeyebob
May 19, 2020 2:20 pm

Please let us not draw direct analogies with Germany’s unhappy past. It is disappointing to see freedom of speech again circumscribed in Germany, but beyond that statement it would not be fair to go.

Buckeyebob
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 5:04 am

I was probably trying to be too clever. I think it goes to a cultural mindset in my opinion. I took a seminar at work several years ago called “Cultural Competence”. I work for a large multi-national company and the need to understand how people from other cultures think is critical to business success. After taking the class I understood why my colleagues from the Netherlands and Finland are so out spoken and independent. I also learned much insight about Central European cultures. Thus my comment above. The teacher was from the Netherlands and told us Americans that there are 5 countries in the world that are so completely different from the other cultures of the world: The UK (and Ireland), Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. The culture in these countries mainly believe in personal responsibility, distrust of authority and competitive among others. I think we can thank the Magna Carta for that.

May 19, 2020 1:23 pm

Hello friends;

I forward his note to you, to do with as you see fit.

I am appalled by the treatment of Ms. Naomi Seibt by the climate neo-Nazis.

Regards, Allan MacRae

Earthling2
May 19, 2020 1:43 pm

This explains why the East German Fuehrer, Angela Merkel, is shaking and trembling in her boots. She just can’t handle the truth, nor tolerate anyone who speaks the truth or someone who asks to conduct science as per the scientific method.

This is free advertising for Naomi Seibt, the 19-year-old anti-Greta from Germany who expresses a skeptic view, and harassed by this old woman trained by the Stasi, and is priceless. You can pay a lot of good money to get advertising like that. Make some video’s for the Heartland Institute and if they harass you more in Germany, apply for asylum in the USA directly to President Trump. Ramp it up…fight fire with fire.

Shirley this must be some sort of joke. If not, keep it up Naomi…this is how revolutions are born. Don’t even answer this new breed of climate fascist nazi’s.

Henry Pool
May 19, 2020 2:09 pm

Seibt is employed by the Heartland Institute. Why isn’t Heartland footing the bill?

Jack Dale
Reply to  Henry Pool
May 19, 2020 2:11 pm
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 3:16 pm

How often you will post that ?

Jack Dale
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 19, 2020 3:19 pm

As long as people ask the question.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 4:00 pm

Troll alert: Mr Dale is attempting, unsuccessfully, to damage this appeal. Fortunately, the mean-spiritedness of Mr Dale and other regular trolls is in fact assisting people to make up their minds to defeat the likes of him by contributing. It’s an ill wind …

Greg
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 2:49 am

Again you falsely attribute motivations to others and start insulting them.

Jack provided one possible reason Heartland may not be supporting their star “anti-Greta” girl. It’s regrettable there is this kind of trouble at Heartland but I’m certainly grateful for his informative reply.

There is nothing in his comment which shows intent to “damage the appeal”. Indeed in replying to “Why isn’t Heartland footing the bill?” , you could read that as supporting giving to Steib.

One thing damaging the appeal is your continued refusal to provide the slightest evidence of your claims.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 5:33 am

No, Greg, MoB’s troll alert is quite correct. Spamming threads is a troll tactic and it’s one Jack Dale has used on several threads besides this one here at WUWT. If Mr Dale doesn’t want to be called out for being the troll that he is, he should stop with the spamming of threads. but he won’t. Trolls are gonna troll.

Derg
Reply to  Henry Pool
May 19, 2020 2:45 pm

Why is Germany doing this?

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
May 20, 2020 5:29 am

No Henry, she is not. She had been, at one time, but is no longer working for Heartland (she even made a video about that decision). Once again, you make a fool of your self by talking about stuff you clearly know nothing about.

Henry Pool
Reply to  John Endicott
May 20, 2020 9:25 am

Endicott is the one that is making a fool of himself. The move by German authorities is due to the actions of Naomi DURING her employment with Heartland.

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
May 21, 2020 5:45 am

Henry, you’re moving the goal posts. Naughty, naughty! You said “Seibt is (present tense) employed by the Heartland Institute” You were wrong, plain and simple. Moving the goal posts doesn’t change that, it just further beclowns you.

John Bennett
May 19, 2020 2:16 pm

Five euros a month is money well spent. Done.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  John Bennett
May 19, 2020 3:01 pm

Most grateful to John Bennett for his contribution.

May 19, 2020 2:30 pm

Naomi should come to America.
I don’t mind giving money to Naomi.
But I would never want to give money, which is going to end up in the hands of the German Government.
Tell me this is not so, as I just suggested it.

I always look forward to Naomi Seibt’s videos, and I look for them frequently.

She has a better chance of free speech in the USA I think.
I prefer giving money to her, not her lawyer or the German Gov.

I am a subscriber to her YouTube channel and I usually make a complimentary comment about free speech and individual liberty.

– JPP

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 19, 2020 3:05 pm

Mr Peterson, if he is kind enough to contribute to Fraulein Seibt’s channel, will be contributing to her directly. She will use the money to carry on her work. If she decides to spend some of it on court fees or whatever, that is up toer. But I am hoping that through my approach to the German Ambassador wiser counsels will prevail in Nordrhein-Westfalen.

If I have to brief HM Government to the effect that the German Ambassador has not replied to credible allegations of serious criminality on the part of the State Media Authority, he will have to answer some very difficult questions both in London and in Berlin.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 3:50 pm

I donated ! Was just wondering if it would go to Naomi. I am proud to have donated.
Thank you Monckton of Brenchley !

– JPP

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 19, 2020 3:49 pm

@Jon P Peterson,
Germany is EU largest republic. Germany is going under the radar, to many, towards the 1930’s political era.
The young German population needs to open their eyes to what is happening.
The best way to achieve this, is by having the native German citizen, Naomi, operating from inside Germany and make both English and German spoken videos and speeches.

When you give money to Naomi Seibt, then you help her wake up the a larger part of the German population, 80 million of them plus Austria and Switzerland.

There are filled with free and beautiful Germans, but so many have been indoctrinated for so long, that they fail to be informed about diverging viewpoints.

Germany has a history of this kind of sizzling indoctrination.
Back in the 30’s the German government built long rows of beach front hotels, where people of less wealth could come and celebrate their summer holidays.
Nice gesture, but it was in fact holiday camps disguised as indoctrination camps. A few of the buildings are still left today, in order to remind people of a dark era. A re-entry to those times have to be stopped now – it might not be too late.

Flight Level
May 19, 2020 2:34 pm

Funding, wilco.

Germany/EU does not miss an occasion to embarrass itself one more time.

Good sign, they are beyond damage control mode, desperately trying to exit their full ideological stall.

This article should be elevated to banner status.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Flight Level
May 19, 2020 3:06 pm

Many thanks to Flight Level for having agreed to contribute to the appeal. I am hoping that our kind moderators will be able to allow the piece to be a sticky at the top of the thread for a few days.

Carl Friis-Hansen
May 19, 2020 2:36 pm

@Charles Rotter and whom it may concern.

Translation issue!

“Der Meinungsfreiheit verpflichtet”, i.e., “Committed to Freedom of Expression”

Personally I would translate
“Der Meinungsfreiheit verpflichtet”
to
“Freedom of Expression obligates”

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 19, 2020 3:58 pm

In response to Mr Friis-Hansen, the translation I have chosen is good English, and is a very close approximation to the German. The sentence he has provided is not good English and comes close to being meaningless. “Verplichtet”, like “genoetigt” or “verbunden”, means “obliged” or “committed” or “bound”. But the appropriate English usage here is indeed “committed”.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 4:34 pm

“Committed” is probably what should be the fate of her prosecutors.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 5:03 pm

@Monckton of Brenchley,
Your reply surprised me, so I used Google Translation to look the sentence up. According to Google You are correct.
However, this is an absolute incorrect translation in this particular context. It is changing the whole meaning.
The word “verpflichtet” can mean committed, but in this context is means obliged.

I do not bother much about translation, but is this case it is too important to let go.
I see it this way:
To me their logo says: Under Freedom of Expression you have restrictions to adhere to.
Your translation says: We will fight for Freedom of Expression or keep it safe.

Despite that, I think you letter and commitment is super, I am a big admirer of you.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 20, 2020 2:57 am

Mr Friis-Hansen and I will have to disagree on the translation.

John Endicott
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 20, 2020 5:57 am

Carl the problem with your translation is German and English sentence structures are not exactly the same. to use your word choice, the translation would not be “Freedom of Expression obligates” but rather “obligates Freedom of Expression” or more properly “obliged to Freedom of Expression” which isn’t far off from “Committed to Freedom of Expression”. I’m afraid your translation simply is not correct.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 20, 2020 9:42 am

Yes to both Monckton of Brenchley and John Endicott,

my translation was poor. I had to find a book where the phrase existed in both German and English and found that the correct meaning cannot be expressed correctly in just one work.
Here is the book’s translation of “Der Meinungsfreiheit verpflichtet”:

“The freedom of expression means that we have to take responsibility.”

So sorry for my bad advice in the first place.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
May 20, 2020 10:00 am

Thanks for that. Every right carries responsibilities and obligations. Many folks seem to be oblivious to both sides of the coin.

Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 2:46 pm

A couple of concerns.

1) There is absolutely no news of this including media that would normally be sympathetic to her.

2) The only links to anything close to this story are to junkscience and WUWT

3) Her You Tube Channel is still up.

4) Her funding is through Paypal, not Patreon, according to her You Tube channel.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 3:54 pm

Mr Dale appears to be artfully trolling with the intention of disrupting this thread and discouraging people from assisting Fraulein Seibt.

The link to Fraulein Seibt’s Patreon account appears correctly four times in the head posting. All he has to do is check by following the link. He is perhaps not of the younger generation, or he would realize that millennial creators have many channels through which they can be supported. It is not either/or.

Two of the three videos of which the State Media Authority complained are no longer available. I am trying to find out who had them taken down and why.

The reason why this story appeared first on junkscience.com and then at wattsupwiththat.com is that I obtained the story and gave it to various skeptical outlets. Tomorrow I shall be briefing the international mainstream news media. By then, the appeal will already have raised a not inconsiderable sum, despite all that Mr Dale and one or two other sour trolls have done to try to cast doubt upon this enterprise – in which, for the avoidance of doubt, I have no financial stake whatsoever.

MarkW
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 19, 2020 8:47 pm

I would imagine that most major news groups would want to independently verify most of the facts in this story before putting it on the air.
That takes time.
Jack seems to be taking it as a given that since they haven’t aired immediately, this proves they don’t believe it.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2020 11:27 pm

“I would imagine that most major news groups would want to independently verify most of the facts in this story before putting it on the air.”

Doubtful. At least they don’t seem to try to verify much of anything alarmist in nature.

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 20, 2020 5:44 am

They don’t verify anything that fits their narrative (as it must obviously be true), but everything that doesn’t fit their narrative needs to be verified six ways to Sunday before having a hope of being briefly reported on (back in the newspaper days, it’s would get a few lines buried deep in the paper where few were likely to spot it).

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 20, 2020 8:23 am

“but everything that doesn’t fit their narrative needs to be verified six ways to Sunday before having a hope of being briefly reported on”

And “fact-checked” by equally biased groups.

Greg
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 10:38 am

Tomorrow I shall be briefing the international mainstream news media.

A noble effort, but you may find that they also wish to see more than your unsubstantiated accusations. MSM don’t often fact check these days but they will on this one.

If you blow them off as you have done all requests for supporting evidence here, they will simply ignore your claims. As I have done.

John Endicott
Reply to  Greg
May 21, 2020 5:58 am

they will simply ignore your claims. As I have done

LOL, if only that were true. The shear number of posts you’ve made trolling on this topic shows your “ignoring it” statement for the lie that it is.

sycomputing
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 7:40 pm

A couple of concerns.

So what’s your theory then Jack?

Jack Dale
Reply to  sycomputing
May 19, 2020 7:43 pm

It is in danger of failing the sniff test. I would suggest being very wary.

sycomputing
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 8:02 pm

Well that’s not theory Jack, that’s just cliche.

Lay out exactly your speculations on this in detail. Maybe you’ll help me to avoid getting scammed.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  sycomputing
May 20, 2020 8:48 am

Fortunately, the more the whining, paid climate-Communist troll “Jack Dale” (not his real name) infests threads all over the internet with the poison he is paid so handsomely to spew forth, the more people are donating to Naomi Seibt.

Dale does not pass the sniff test, so people are supporting Fraulein Seibt in droves to get away from the putrid stench of Communism.

old construction worker
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 20, 2020 2:11 am

“There is absolutely no news of this including media..” If you ae referring to MSM, good luck with them printing any articles except articles siding with the government.

Roy
May 19, 2020 2:49 pm

This story reminds me of another one involving Germany just 6 months ago.

Thugs bully Munich Conference Center – Force Cancellation of Climate Skeptic Conference
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/19/thugs-bully-munich-conference-center-force-cancellation-skeptic-climate-conference/

Just like the 1930s, and again Munich. There’s no question that freedom of science and speech are under heavy attack in Germany after dozens of distinguished but dissenting scientists have seen their long planned science conference cancelled due to intimidation by leftwing extremists.

This latest climate conference cancellation comes just after leftists coerced the University of Hamburg to disinvite political leaders from making speeches.

The same has also just occurred at the famed University of Göttingen.

The problem of suppressing open discussion has deteriorated to such an extent across Germany over the recent years that even according to leftist Spiegel 75% of journalists and writers are “very concerned” or “somewhat concerned” about the state of free speech in Germany!

Free speech in Germany is in state of crisis.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Roy
May 19, 2020 3:49 pm

Ray makes a very good point. Wolfgang Mueller of EIKE had to scramble very rapidly when the hotel he had originally booked for the conference last December was canceled at very much the last minute, after pressure from climate Communists, who then attempted (and failed) to get into the new venue.

MarkW
Reply to  Roy
May 19, 2020 8:48 pm

The only freedoms leftists have ever been interested in are their own.
Everyone else has to do what they are told.

Ein Mensch
Reply to  Roy
May 20, 2020 6:27 am

Hallo, hier schreibt ein Mensch aus Deutschland

Unsere Medien sind wohl gekauft es gibt nur einseitige Berichterstattung. Verlag Spiegel und Bild sind Müll. Man vermittelt uns das Frau Merkel alles richtig macht, hinterfragen oder anders denken ist nicht Erwünscht. Anders denken = Verschwörungstheoretiker 😛
Das Volk wird gespalten und das macht das aufwachen von Deutschland so schwer !
Viele hier nutzen Telegramm um sich zu informieren und zu erwachen , wir haben gute Kanäle wie : Eva Herman Offiziell , Oliver Janich öffentlich , Xavier Naidoo (offiziell) , Verbinde die Punkte ,

Wir Deutschen sind nicht alle böse und folgen der Frau Merkel 😉

Liebe Grüße
Ein Mensch

Übersetzt mich mit https://www.deepl.com/Translator

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Ein Mensch
May 20, 2020 8:44 am

For those who may not be familiar with German, here is a translation of the contribution from “Ein Mensch” _ i.e. “Somebody”:

Hello. I am writing from Germany.

Our media are bought and paid for. Only one side gets reported. The Spiegel group and Bild are rubbish. We are told that Mrs. Merkel can do no wrong. Asking questions or thinking differently is not wanted. Anyone who thinks differently is called a conspiracy theorist.

The people are divided, which makes it very difficult for Germany to wake up to what is going on.

Many here use the internet to inform people and raise their consciousness. We have good channels such as Eva Herman (official), Oliver Janich (public), Xavier Naidoo (official). Join the dots.

We Germans are not all evil. Not all of us follow Mrs Merkel.

Kind regards
Somebody

==================

I should add that nothing in the head posting is intended to be discourteous to the German people. In Britain we are delighted to be their friends and allies. We hope, though, that the European tendency towards allowing the far Left to shut down free speech will be vigorously opposed in future.

Ein Mensch
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 21, 2020 8:14 am

Hey,
extrem LINKE gehen unter Menschen zur Demos und sorgen für Krawall. Prügeln Menschen halb tot. Noch heißt es die Demonstranten sind alle RECHTS!
Nein wir sind Menschen , nicht links nicht rechts !
Alte Menschen, Behinderte….Minderheiten werden Aggressiv verhaftet . Begünstigt durch 2 Meter Abstand halten . Eingeschüchtert durch SÖLDNER !

JAHRE lang haben uns POLITIK und MEDIEN verarscht…..wie Lemminge der breiten Massen hinterher.
Für uns “war” Ausland immer Böse oder so wie es die Politik gerade wollte.
Das kann und will ich nicht glauben !

Ich schaue mir die Nachrichten auf der ganzen Welt an und nehme auch abstruse Theorien in kauf .

Ich mein Hallo, geht es hier noch um den Virus ?

Liebe Grüße
Ein Mensch

whiten
May 19, 2020 2:50 pm

Oooops.

Do these stupid authorities not know yet that Greta supposes to be the heretic, the hero there!
Don’t they know yet, they can’t do this “treason” and betrayal to Greta.
“How do they dare, again!”

Wait till they hear from Greta! 🙂

Oh well maybe Greta just happened to be a fake one after all!
Deserving to fade away, like nothing of much.
Or maybe not.

Still, forgive me for my own heresy, but somehow I still think Greta was and still may be great.
No offense to Naomi, as she great also.
These two make a very good brilliant smashing team really. 🙂

cheers

Reply to  whiten
May 19, 2020 3:45 pm

But Greta is now expert for CoV-19.
Wait for healing by her hands

John Endicott
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 20, 2020 5:39 am

She can see CO2, with eyesight light that she can probably see CoV-19 as well, that along would help her become an expert /sarc

JN
May 19, 2020 3:33 pm

Why is Naomi called “Anti-Greta”? Somehow I find this disturbing and unnecessary.
Isn’t she just Naomi, a kid that decided to think by her own head and express publicly her opinion. Stop that Anti-Greta nonsense.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  JN
May 19, 2020 3:48 pm

Naomi Seibt agrees with JN, but she has become known as the Anti-Greta: it’s one of those names that has stuck.

John Tillman
Reply to  JN
May 20, 2020 11:12 am

How about “pro-human”?

B d Clark
May 19, 2020 3:37 pm

First I wish to congratulate lord Monckton on doing the writing bit and putting some pressure on the UK German embassy, I know nothing about German law but it does seem fine some ones for a opinion is a bit rich . The heartland institute did bring naomi into the limelight be there be a existing contract or not, I think they are morally obliged to help this young lady be it personal finance and or defence costs, I also have a open question for those that have donated, is it true it’s a reoccurring donation or can you just make a one off payment ,I wish to donate. It’s the least any of us can do to surport what agrees with so many of us on here.

Van Doren
Reply to  B d Clark
May 19, 2020 4:12 pm

Not exactly the first case, however earlier cases known to me were all about migration criticism.

B d Clark
Reply to  Van Doren
May 19, 2020 4:19 pm

So the “cases” were a challange to a higher authority? like what could happen in naomi’s case, do you know what the outcomes were? Was the lower jurisdiction over ruled?.

Juice
May 19, 2020 4:11 pm

If your “democracy” doesn’t have free speech and free press, it’s not really a democracy.

Cassio
May 19, 2020 4:12 pm

Can someone please explain to me why climate change alarmist organisations like “bpb” are concerned about the global warming effect of methane from the flatulence of ruminants such as cows?

Don’t ruminants obtain carbon by eating grass, which was produced by photosynthesis of atmospheric CO2 in the first place? So, why aren’t ruminant methane emissions counted as net-zero?

May 19, 2020 5:09 pm

I am sending this brave and wonderful young woman 20 Euro/ month. Happy to support her!

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Deborah R. Castleman
May 20, 2020 2:54 am

Many thanks to Ms Castleman for her kind and generous donation, which will be a real help.

Adrian Good
May 19, 2020 5:27 pm

I have donated $25. How do I make a single payment ie I don’t want to continue paying $25 per month

Jarryd Beck
May 19, 2020 6:10 pm

She could always refuse to pay the fines and claim political asylum in the US. I think president Trump would happily accept her.

WXcycles
May 19, 2020 6:17 pm

Naughty Naomi, you’ve offended the climate!

Not an easy thing to do – I’m impressed. 🙂

Patrick MJD
May 19, 2020 6:17 pm

That’s utterly disgusting but are we surprised? We are likely to see more of this, next will be cases in the UK and Australia. Although $10, I assume USD, isn’t a lot but it is for many given the shaky economic state many countries are suffering at the moment I simply cannot afford that.

eck
May 19, 2020 7:13 pm

Ahhh. The Nazi spirit lives on in Deutschland. Hope she’s not affiliated with any “unfavored” religious group. I’m contributing.

Jack Dale
Reply to  eck
May 19, 2020 7:28 pm

Unfortunately Naomi has links to neo-Nazis.

“Seibt’s rising star has brought her other comments about race and religion under scrutiny. Her praise for Molyneux, however, is particularly notable. Molyneux is a bigot with ties to a who’s-who of neo-Nazis and white supremacists, including Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor. ”

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/naomi-seibt-white-nationalist-cpac-stefan-molyneux_n_5e5974c5c5b6450a30be4a4d?ri18n=true

” Her mother, Karoline Seibt, is an attorney who works with Alternative für Deutschland, Germany’s far-right nationalist party with ties to neo-Nazis. In 2018, the mother was pictured partying with Milo Yiannopoulos, the far-right former star columnist at Breitbart who, according to BuzzFeed News, pushed white nationalist ideology into mainstream U.S. politics.”

https://climatecrocks.com/2020/03/08/nazi-greta-is-heartland-institutes-death-rattle/

EdB
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 8:05 pm

Nice drive by..

Reply to  EdB
May 19, 2020 9:30 pm

HuffPo and ClimateCrocks links “evidence” from commenter Jack Dale. That tells you pretty much all you need to know. Would we be granted the same permission at either one of those sites to make comments containing links from Fox News or WUWT, ClimateDepot, JunkScience? Don’t bet the ranch on that. I myself have been blocked from commenting at ClimateCrocks for repeatedly challenging the proprietor and his commenter mob to produce an iota of evidence proving skeptic climate scientists are in a pay-for-performance arrangement with fossil fuel execs in which money was paid in exchange for lies to undercut AGW that met the approval of the execs. We’ve only heard that accusation for 20+ years, you’d think that mob would have the evidence they could readily point to.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Russell Cook
May 20, 2020 2:53 am

“John Dale” (not his real name) is a Communist troll paid by the ClimateWorks Foundation to spread falsehoods and libels about those who, like Naomi Seibt, have proven effective in questioning the Party Line on climate.

He here repeats the meme invented by desperate Communists at Redpeace and suchlike extremist organizations that Fraulein Seibt has links with neo-Nazis. Such propaganda is false. Fortunately, I have had several emails from people who, on seeing that “John Dale” is trolling in the vain hope of wrecking the appeal for Fraulein Seibt, have donated because they realized that if he is attacking her she must be on the side of the angels. One of these has made quite a large donation. Keep ’em coming.

Jack Dale
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 20, 2020 6:22 am

Sir – you are a liar. You have slithered to the bottom of Graham’s hierarchy.

I am not now, nor have I have been, a Communist. My politics are much like George Orwell. I am opposed to totalitarianism in all form.

I am paid by no one, except my pension fund.

You really cannot stand being questioned. If you do not want you assertions scrutinized, do not post them on a public forum.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Russell Cook
May 20, 2020 8:19 am

Mr Dale is a well-known, highly-paid climate-Communist troll who disrupts multiple threads on various websites. He can deny his income all he likes, but he is nevertheless one of three or four paid agents of climate Communist front groups who have tried to intervene here. They have succeeded in greatly boosting the donations to Fraulein Seibt, for people are tired of their pathetic, malicious whining.

John Endicott
Reply to  Russell Cook
May 20, 2020 8:51 am

Fine, you are an unpaid “useful idiot” troll then. Your behavior, particularly of thread spamming, has been classic troll. Good on MoB for calling a troll a troll. Don’t like being called a troll, don’t act like a troll.

steve in seattle
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 8:41 pm

YAWN

MarkW
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 8:51 pm

In most of Europe the political spectrum goes something like this:
Communism – Socialism – Nazi.

Hari Seldon
Reply to  MarkW
May 20, 2020 12:41 am

Dear Mr. MarkW,

Unfortunately you are right. The former communists in the EU position themselves now as very Green. The former political slogan from Karl Marx “Workers of the world, unite!” has been “modernized” as “Globalists and klimahysterics of the world, unite!” (eventually the communist movement was also a globalist movement to take over the control over the whole world). The Greens in Germany have very clearly communist roots. The socialists (SPD: Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands) are today for “democratic socialism”, and support very strongly the Green New Deal (unfortunately also the current leadership of the CDU). Angela Merkel’s bet in 2016 was Hillary Clinton and the dem’s. However Trump has been elected as president –> tough luck for A. Merkel. Today in Germany the situation is rather complex. Carbon tax will be introduced (first time in the history of Germany a tax practically without any limit), under the slogan “de-carbonisation”, and the de-industrialisation of Germany (and the EU) will be prepared (China and Russia are of course very happy with that: One competitor less free of charge). Anybody opposing this trend is “Nazi”, “Dictator”, “Fascist”, “far-right”, and so on. Typical examples are the East-European countries (inclusive former East-Germany). Although the position of the East-Europen countries is easily understandable: They have about 45 years practical experiences with “democratic socialism” and know very well, that “democratic socialism” leads to complete bankruptcy. They are not really motivated to enter this dead-end street again.

Back to the main profile of WUWT. In Germany there are now spontaneous local initiatives to explain for example among others the background of the climate and CO2 hysteria for ordinary people. I work voluntarily (not for money) also in such a small local group. As a first step we try to produce a short presentation (not more than 30 slides) on the climate and CO2 hysteria for ordinary people. Any support / ideas from WUWT readers / contributors would be highly appreciated. Good visualisation without high level math and physics would be a key element of the success on mass scale.

Hari Seldon
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 19, 2020 8:57 pm

Dear Mr. Dale,

The classification of a political party depends also strongly on the position of the observers in the political coordinate sysytem. Of course for observers on the far-left side are all parties and political groups positioned right from the far-left side of the politics “right” or “far-right” political groups. Angela Merkel (the former leader of the centrist party CDU (Christlich Demokratische Union)) re-positioned CDU during the last 10-12 years to the LEFT side of the political spectrum (today the CDU is very close to the dem’s in the US, and to the German Greens (with explicite communist roots)). For this reason is currently the middle of the political spectrum is almost leer, and a new party (Alternative für Deutschland od AfD) could be established mostly by former CDU members (even one of the leader of the AfD was member of the government under Angela Merkel.). AfD’s poltical position is very close to the political position of the rep’s in the US: No climate and CO2 hysterie, no uncontrolled mass migration, reduction of state subsidies, free market economy, and so on. In 2017 AfD became the third strongest political group in the German Parliament (Bundestag) from ZERO. The members of the AfD are up to 80% former CDU members who are not satisfied with the re-positioning of the CDU as a “Mitte’Left” party (the CDU-membership has not been asked concerning the re-positioning). However, the volume of the “political pie” in Germany is pre-defined. A new player means also that a slice of the “political pie” will be lost for the other established parties. Of cource this is very unpleasant from their point of view, and the new cctor is not welcome. In Germany the most effective way (for historical reasons) to annihilate a political group is to classify / call them as “Nazi”, “far-right, “Fascist”, and so on. Exactly this process could be seen now in Germany regarding AfD. Currently if somebody dares to say that the climate or CO2 hysterie would not be OK for Germany or for the German population, this person will be immediately and automatic classified as “Nazi”, “Fascist”, “far-right”, and so on…. Like the young German lady….

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Hari Seldon
May 19, 2020 11:51 pm

…which always makes me laugh since Nazis were socialists…

Jack Dale
Reply to  ANDY MANSELL
May 21, 2020 2:13 pm

Socialists were the first ones sent to concentration camps by the Nazis.

I will bet you think the Democratic Republic of Korea is Democratic.

Ian Coleman
May 19, 2020 8:47 pm

Well, I dunno. It offends me in a vague sort of way that anybody is using teenaged girls to make their points, as if their natural appeal grants them some kind of authority.

And it’s the Germans. Very tough, efficient people, but not known for their tolerance of dissent, are they? Are there professional stand-up comedians in Germany? Because that would be a tough audience.

Jeff
Reply to  Ian Coleman
May 19, 2020 9:40 pm

She’s technically a woman at age 18. She can make these calls for herself. And frankly, she’s got a lot more poise and confidence at 19 than many women have by 30.

Jeff
May 19, 2020 9:38 pm

Setup patreon as I did a donation for Peter Ridd, et. al. There are enough of us out here that collectively we can fight back against the bureaucracy and the authoritarians. Go Naomi.

I also appreciate these brave voices who are leading the charge against tyranny. If I was to speak out against climate alarmism, Covid, etc. at my work, I would probably be fired. So I appreciate those who can and do.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Jeff
May 20, 2020 2:48 am

Most grateful to Jeff for his donation. Naomi’s Patreon account is doing very nicely as a result of the publicity that her case is attracting.

Michael Ozanne
May 19, 2020 10:01 pm

Well Germany has signed up to the following…:

“ARTICLE 6
Right to a fair trial
1. In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of
any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair
and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent
and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be
pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded
from all or part of the trial in the interests of morals, public order
or national security in a democratic society, where the interests
of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so
require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the
court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the
interests of justice.
2. Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed
innocent until proved guilty according to law.
3. Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following
minimum rights:
10 11
(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he
understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the
accusation against him;
(b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of
his defence;
(c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of
his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay
for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests
of justice so require;
(d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and
to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on
his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against
him;
(e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot
understand or speak the language used in court.
ARTICLE 7
No punishment without law
1. No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on
account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal
offence under national or international law at the time when it
was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than
the one that was applicable at the time the criminal offence was
committed.
2. This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of
any person for any act or omission which, at the time when it was
committed, was criminal according to the general principles of
law recognised by civilised nations.
ARTICLE 9
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience
and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or
belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and
in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship,
teaching, practice and observance.
2. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be
subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are
necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety,
for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the
protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
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ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary”

She should bypass German law and go straight to the ECHR….. I’ll bet the state government caves the minute a hearing is scheduled…

Little Oil
May 19, 2020 10:42 pm

Happy to donate but much prefer one lump sum please. Paypal, Visa or bank acct.

Monckton of Brenchley
Reply to  Little Oil
May 20, 2020 4:22 am

In response to Little Oil, the PayPal address is https://www.paypal.me/NaomiSeibt2000?

Jack Dale
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
May 21, 2020 2:19 pm

FYI – the PayPal address you posted today on junkscience is junk.

This site can’t be reached
ww.paypal.me’s server IP address could not be found.
Try running Windows Network Diagnostics.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

sycomputing
Reply to  Jack Dale
May 21, 2020 5:26 pm

Odd, it works for me just fine.

Resolves here:

https://www.paypal.me/NaomiSeibt2000

Jack Dale
Reply to  sycomputing
May 21, 2020 6:59 pm

Try this https://ww.paypal.me/naomiseibt2000 (from junkscience today)

https://junkscience.com/2020/05/monckton-german-officials-threaten-naomi-seibt-with-prison-for-denialism/

It is missing two letters. A cut paste from her YouTube site gets you:
https://www.paypal.me/NaomiSeibt2000?

which also has capital letters which are absent from Monckton’s “link”.

So you get frustrated with that and go to the Patreon site to which Naomi has no link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYhpBC8DZE&t=193s

From junkscience

Monthly contribution ($10 or more if you can): https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy.
One-off contribution ($100 or more if you can): https://ww.paypal.me/naomiseibt2000.

So why the disparity? Stupidity or willfulness?

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
May 21, 2020 9:45 pm

It is missing two letters.

Looks like it’s just missing one “w” as far as I can tell:

“https://ww.paypal.me/naomiseibt2000”

Surely just a common typo.

A cut paste from her YouTube site gets you . . . capital letters which are absent from Monckton’s “link”.

Caps don’t matter in URL’s Jack. See for yourself:

https://www.paypal.me/naomiseibt2000

“So you get frustrated with that and go to the Patreon site to which Naomi has no link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYhpBC8DZE&t=193s

“No link” to what from Patreon?

“Monthly contribution ($10 or more if you can): https://www.patreon.com/naomiseibtmy.
One-off contribution ($100 or more if you can): https://ww.paypal.me/naomiseibt2000.

So why the disparity? Stupidity or willfulness?”

It’s a typo Jack. You really gotta get a grip man. You’re starting to sound like Greg. Maybe the two of you should form a club.

FoS
May 20, 2020 1:08 am

Whilst accepting that Monckton may not have thought himself able to reproduce the correspondence with Naomi Seibt from the Landesanstalt für Medien NRW, it would have been helpful to German speaking readers of this website if he had cited the relevant legal basis the LfM claimed for its decisions and paraphrased it in such a way that it was comprehensible for German speakers. Google Translate only gets you so far…

We presume, too, that the first letter of which Monckton speaks was a warning shot and/or an invitation to present a defence or counter argument. Unfortunately, Monkton’s windbaggery obscures the true situation.

It would be interesting to know whether the LfM really is going after Naomi on the grounds of hidden advertising, but we cannot be sure of this from Monckton’s account. We have only ‘unlawful product placement under a recently-enacted law of the North-Rhine Westphalia region’.

Before WUWT readers start shouting TROLL! at me, I should state clearly that I am in no way agreeing with what the LfM appears to be doing here nor am I attacking the sainted Monckton.

The LfM-NRW has been in existence since 1987 and, together with its equivalents in all? the other German states, over the years has become a useful tool of the German authorities in shaping opinion on the internet.

It concerns me, too, as other commentators have pointed out, that this seems to be a Monckton-only crusade. I can find (at the moment at least) not a single squeak of the story in German outlets, mainstream or alternative.

Hari Seldon
Reply to  FoS
May 20, 2020 2:06 am

Dear FoS,

You write: ” I can find (at the moment at least) not a single squeak of the story in German outlets, mainstream or alternative”.

The mainstream will not speak / write about this case (slogan: “no publicity for far-right, climate deniers, and so on). Saint Greta would have received such letter from a German authority –> within less of 24 hours you could read about the case in all mainstream outlets even on the very first page , bold headlines, etc. As far as I know, at least one German alternative outlet investigates the case. However, they must be very careful not to support a “neo-nazi” young lady.