Michael vs Michael: Mann attacks Moore as Russian Stooge.

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OK S.
May 5, 2020 3:42 pm

O f the two Michaels, Moore is the worst. Mann only wants money, Moore wants to depopulate the earth.

May 5, 2020 3:46 pm

In very early times, we had a comic in Germany, called “Father & Son” by Erich Ohser, was what in the 30ies, I think.
The author knew Michel Mann 😀
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Janice Moore
Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 5, 2020 5:22 pm

🙂 Das ist lustig. Danke fur diese Komisch. (hope that was correct Deutsch)

(btw: Mann could really use some help from on of Moore’s makeup artists. Men with no hair on their head need to NOT wear a moustache. It never looks as good as clean-shaven. Positive evidence: Bruce Willis, Patrick Stewart, Vin Diesel. Negative evidence: Al McWhiggin (here:comment image ), Steve Garvey, G. Gordon Liddy.😆)

Reply to  Janice Moore
May 6, 2020 6:52 am

Correct enough 😀
Like them all, I have two books full of these comics. 😀

pat
May 5, 2020 3:47 pm

Ferguson’s lover, Antonia Staats, has an interesting job!

Wikipedia: Avaaz
UK-based newspaper The Guardian considers it “the globe’s largest and most powerful online activist network”…
Avaaz.org was co-founded by Res Publica, a “community of public sector professionals dedicated to promoting good governance, civic virtue and deliberative democracy,” and MoveOn.org, an American non-profit progressive public policy advocacy group. It was also supported by Service Employees International Union, a founding partner…

***On 5 May 2020, Antonia Staats, a senior campaigner for Avaaz, was named as the lover of Professor Neil Ferguson, who advocated a mass lockdown in response to COVID-19, but breached its stipulations in pursuing his affair…

“Since 2009, Avaaz has not taken donations from foundations or corporations, nor has it accepted payments of more than $5,000 (£3,100),” The Guardian reported. “Instead, it relies simply on the generosity of individual members, who have now raised over $20m (£12.4m).” Prior to 2009 various foundations had funded Avaaz’s staff and start-up costs…

Ideology
Avaaz claims to unite practical idealists from around the world…
In practice, Avaaz often supports causes considered progressive, such as calling for global action on climate change, challenging Monsanto, and building greater global support for refugees…
In the 2016 United States presidential election, Avaaz campaigned against Donald Trump with the slogan “Defeat Donald Trump”, and produced a software tool to simplify overseas voter registration…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaaz

LinkedIn: Antonia Staats, Senior Campaigner at Avaaz.org, London
Campaigner/Senior Campaigner
Avaaz.org
2011 – Present
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/antonia-staats-263081b5

Newminster
Reply to  pat
May 6, 2020 2:44 am

WTF is a”practical idealist”? And do I want a wealthy group of them getting themselves in a position where they can tell me how to live my life?!

observa
Reply to  Newminster
May 6, 2020 5:52 pm

A practical idealist is like an empathetic psychopath and I’m sure you can conjure up plenty more non-existent categories of humans. What’s the point of the exercise you may well ask? Well if it brings in lots of wealthy donors and a cushy number like Senior Campaigner why wouldn’t you particularly if things are a bit mundane at home.

IssunBo
May 5, 2020 3:57 pm

Good grief, Mann claims eradicating CO2 from the atmosphere will cause the planet to freeze! (We’ll all starve wondering why it’s not cold if that happens…)

https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1257760831854575617

He doesn’t need the ideal gas laws, he can ignore geothermal influence, milankovitch cycles and all the rest. Because he says it’s true that the climate (atmospheric temperature) is solely based on the concentration of CO2.

Why is he not stripped of his PhD? He’s not using it in any capacity.

Reply to  IssunBo
May 5, 2020 4:17 pm

WV. Don’t forget WV (West Virginia). Largest influencing GHG on the planet …

Michael Jankowski
May 5, 2020 3:58 pm

This is nutso stuff. This is Alex Jones-level conspiracy garbage. Maybe Moore will sue.

The irony of Mann talking about emails…bizarre.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
May 5, 2020 5:42 pm

(no changes — just some bolding added by me)

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. …

Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx
NR4 7TJ
UK …

From: Jonathan Overpeck
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: letter to Senate
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:31 -0700
Cc: Caspar M Ammann , Raymond Bradley , Keith Briffa , Tom Crowley , Malcolm Hughes , Phil Jones , mann@xxxxx.xxx, jto@xxxxx.xx.xxx, omichael@xxxxx.xxx, Tim Osborn , Kevin Trenberth , Tom Wigley

Hi all – I’m not too comfortable with this, … I think it would be more appropriate for the AGU or some other scientific org to do this – … I’m not sure we want to go down this path. It would be much better for the AGU etc to do it. …

Cheers, Peck …”

********************

Cheers. 😐

May 5, 2020 4:02 pm

In each of his tweets, Mann seems to purposely expose himself as a fraudulent clown.

He seems to behave as a serial killer – payed by the anti crime squad – who desperately leaves clues everywhere in the hope of being shut up and expose the all scheme.

Joel Snider
May 5, 2020 4:02 pm

Wow. Who’s the THIRD stooge?

May 5, 2020 4:18 pm

Mann jumps shark…

John Endicott
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 7, 2020 3:57 am

No, it was Fonzi who jumped the shark 😉

yirgach
May 5, 2020 4:18 pm

A good analogy, IMHO…

Closing Time
Yeah we’re drinking and we’re dancing
But there’s nothing really happening
And the place is dead as Heaven on a Saturday night
And my very close companion
Gets me fumbling gets me laughing
She’s a hundred but she’s wearing
Something tight
And I lift my glass to the awful truth
Which you can’t reveal to the ears of youth
Except to say it isn’t worth a dime
And the whole damn place goes crazy twice
And it’s once for the devil and it’s once for Christ
But the boss don’t like these dizzy heights
We’re busted in the blinding lights

Ken Butcher
May 5, 2020 4:24 pm

Off topic, but instructive about how the class of people who use wonky mathematical models to remove our freedoms have no intention of letting their own be curtailed in any way:

Married Leftist Warmist activist Antonia Staats twice left her £1.9m home in South London to cross the metropolis to visit her lover – one time when her husband was down with suspected COVID-19.

That lover was Prof Neil Ferguson, the supposed world-class epidemiologist who has cost Britain billions with his alarmist projections about Foot-and-Mouth, Mad Cow disease, and now COVID-19. His advice to close down “inessential” activities in the countries of the West risks collapsing their economies, costing tens of trillions, killing tens or hundreds of millions of people, and concentrating almost all wealth and power in the hands of the insiders able to get first dibs on the “stimulus” currency that will inflate away any wealth that ordinary people have managed to save.

But apparently neither of this delightful couple has any qualms about breaking the travel restrictions that he got the government to impose on us – or indeed about breaking the social distancing limit by about 6 foot 6 inches.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289921/Scientist-advice-led-lockdown-QUITS-breaking-restrictions-meet-married-lover.html

Brent
May 5, 2020 4:28 pm

Cute how a useful idiot uses the term Russian stooge!

John Tillman
May 5, 2020 4:39 pm

I hope Moore isn’t inhaling deeply next to Assange. One reason the Ecuadorian embassy wanted to get rid of him was his abysmal hygiene practices, or lack thereof.

RoHa
Reply to  John Tillman
May 5, 2020 6:20 pm

So we are told. But we can’t believe anything that the media peddle.

John Tillman
Reply to  RoHa
May 5, 2020 6:49 pm

For whatever reason, the Ecuadorians wanted his allegedly stinky posterior out of there.

Observer
Reply to  John Tillman
May 5, 2020 11:38 pm

Equador expelled him because the IMF wouldn’t give them a bailout until they did.

I notice you peddle a lot of Atlanticist propaganda around here.

Zigmaster
May 5, 2020 4:42 pm

Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the fight!

rah
May 5, 2020 4:43 pm

The person that can figure out a way expand this little battle between Mann and Moore until is escalates into an all out war between Hollywood and Academia would be a real hero.

Robert B
May 5, 2020 4:47 pm

We need a separate we-hate-Mann website. I’m not being critical of the above comments. We need one. It’s cathartic.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Robert B
May 5, 2020 7:26 pm

Oh, I dunno, Robert B.. I don’t think we do hate him. How can we when he makes us laugh so much? We scorn him, mostly, I think.

John Endicott
Reply to  Janice Moore
May 7, 2020 4:00 am

exactly. scorn and hate are not the same thing.

Reply to  John Endicott
May 7, 2020 6:08 am

Proverbs 26:3 “A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the backs of fools [i.e. Mann].”

pat
May 5, 2020 4:55 pm

Mann is re-tweeting Maxine Joselow, but I didn’t see a link to her actual article. here it is:

5 May: E&E News: Michael Moore’s documentary irks climate scientists
by Maxine Joselow, E&E News reporter, Climatewire
“If we don’t face the truth we’re doomed. My camera will expose whatever and whoever needs to be exposed,” Gibbs later wrote.
But its critics say “Planet of the Humans,” which has racked up more than 6.2 million views since its release on YouTube last month, has a loose relationship with facts.
“The film presents a distorted and outdated depiction of the renewable energy industry in an effort to malign renewable energy, thus ironically promoting the agenda of the fossil fuel industry,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University, said in an email to E&E News….

“My friends and I have been saying these things for years about renewable energy. And then Michael Moore comes along and just devastates this whole renewable energy myth,” said Steve Milloy, a skeptic of mainstream climate science who runs the blog JunkScience.com…
https://www.eenews.net/stories/106304984. ..READ ON

Komrade Kuma
May 5, 2020 4:57 pm

“Michael vs Michael: Mann attacks Moore as Russian Stooge”

Normally I would think that COVID 19 has transmuted into a brain affecting virus but now I think it possible that it came from Michal Mann. Well it makes about as much sense as the rest of the crap that he has produced. Maybe I am wrong and we are just seeing the results of Mann beating himself senseless and causing brain damage using a hockey stick all those years ago? I mean bats%$t crazy and butchering bats in a wet market are variations on a theme are they not.

RStabb
May 5, 2020 5:07 pm

It ain`t over till the fat lady sings.

pat
May 5, 2020 5:40 pm

btw Michael Mann has been in Australia (see links below) where the phrase “Russia, If You’re Listening” has another meaning. it’s a podcast on taxpayer-funded ABC by Matt Bevan, which is virulently anti-Trump, and still holds to Putin helping Trump win in 2016. scroll down to see all the Trump/Russia podcasts, 3 series, right up until December 2019, including doozies like “Trumpdate: Why Brett Kavanaugh matters to the Russia Investigation” and “Trumpdate: Does the anonymous NYT op-ed spell the end for Donald Trump?”. (click “show more episodes”). you won’t find any episodes titled “Trump exonerated by Mueller”:

ABC: Russia, If you’re Listening
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/russia-if-youre-listening/

VIDEO: 1h7m: 3 Feb: ABC Q+A Bushfires Special
includes Panellist Michael Mann
TRANSCRIPT:
MICHAEL MANN: I just arrived here in December. I’m an American. But my colleagues here at… (LAUGHS) I’m American, but I love Australia. And, you know, my colleagues here, they’re wonderful colleagues, at CSIRO here, at ANU, University of New South Wales. Some of the best climate scientists and atmospheric scientists and oceanographers in the world are here in Australia. It’s really a luxury that the government should be drawing upon…

MICHAEL MANN: My view is the view of the world scientific community, every scientific institution in the world that’s weighed in on this matter – climate change is real, it’s human caused, it’s already leading to disastrous impacts here in Australia and around the rest of the world. And it will get much worse if we don’t act…

JIM MOLAN (NSW Senator): But this is why my mind is open. I would love to be convinced one way or the other. But to be prudent, what the government is doing is it’s got a climate… an emissions reduction policy. And it is a good policy. And it will mitigate risk to the maximum that it can. And where risk cannot be mitigated, it will adapt. And that’s what we’ve got to work on, is the adaption.

MICHAEL MANN: Come on now, mate…
MICHAEL MANN: Now, you know, you should keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out. When it comes to this issue, when it comes to human-caused climate change, it’s literally the consensus of the world’s scientists that it’s caused by human activity. Now, you sometimes hear the talking point from contrarians, from the Murdoch media…
https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2020-03-02/11906192

ABC loves Mann, especially when he plays along with their anti-Murdoch agenda:

AUDIO: 10m56s: 15 Jan: ABC: Dr Michael Mann calls out Murdoch media’s ‘egregious’ climate change denial
By Linda Mottram on PM
But Dr Michael Mann, who’s a Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Pennsylvania State University is scathing about Rupert Murdoch’s influence.
He happens to be in Sydney researching climate and extreme events and joins PM for his insights.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/dr-mann-calls-out-murdoch-media-egregious-climate-change-denial/11871296?fbclid=IwAR3lqfjz9Ti_7UXX8Y6-qZsBrNVmLXbtrT2XscuGWeeo28R01qOua3q1

CAGW dissent shall not be allowed.

n.n
May 5, 2020 6:10 pm

Mann should be careful playing with a doubled-edged scalpel. He has well and truly aborted the baby.

Editor
May 5, 2020 6:35 pm

Michael Mann’s hockey stick relied a lot on one tree in Siberia. Yes folks, Mann’s hockey stick literally depended on “a Russian plant”. Sorry I couldn’t resist.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Walter Dnes
May 5, 2020 6:51 pm

😄

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Walter Dnes
May 5, 2020 11:17 pm

“Michael Mann’s hockey stick relied a lot on one tree in Siberia.”

People here consistently get this wrong. Mann’s original HS (MBH98) relied on Bristlecone Pines from the US Southwest.

The one tree in Yamal was Keith Briffa. Mann used it later, much later.

pat
May 5, 2020 7:11 pm

3 May: Daily Mail: Revealed: Extinction Rebellion’s plot to ‘sabotage the economy’ by staging rent strikes, halting tax payments and taking out bank loans they don’t intend to repay
•Extinction Rebellion are unable to protest in the traditional way during lockdown…
by David Rose
Internal documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday set out plans for a ‘Money Rebellion’ involving acts of financial sabotage to ‘directly challenge the fundamental principles that govern our national and global economies’….

It seeks to legitimise the protest by arguing that ‘our economic system is causing cancer in our planet’. It adds: ‘We will resist irresponsible lenders. Some of us will legally dispute debts, others will refuse to pay debts.’
Barclays Bank is named as a top target, with supporters encouraged to ‘take out a personal loan or a credit card’ and ‘publicly declare that they will not repay the debt’. HSBC, NatWest and Lloyds are also listed…

Other possible protests include a utilities strike, where activists refuse to pay their bills unless suppliers promise to switch to 100 per cent renewable energy, and plans for supporters to withhold VAT, student debt or mortgage payments.
XR said: ‘Covid-19 is making it evidently clear that our economic system is not set up to support the people who keep it going. The proposals laid out in these documents are being considered because we want to avert further chaos down the line.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8280801/Extinction-Rebellions-plot-sabotage-economy-coronavirus-crisis.html

ozspeaksup
Reply to  pat
May 6, 2020 3:51 am

yup
and dear lil grumbleguts Greta came to the uk to see jeremy corbyn and praise ext reb yet again
after this lunacy was known
shows just how stupid or corrupt or famechasing they are

May 5, 2020 7:16 pm

GREEN ENERGY AKA CLEAN ENERGY IS NOT GREEN OR CLEAN, AND NEVER HAS BEEN:

Circa 2009 or earlier, I did not date or reference my posts. This is one of my early missives:
_______________________

Wind power, solar power and corn ethanol are not green energy – they are brown energy.

They require life-of-project subsidies – a strong indicator that they consume more energy than they produce.

The brown energy movement is entirely dependent upon rent-seeking subsidies from consumers and governments to survive.

The brown energy movement is deceitful, relying upon global warming fraudsters to promote its projects, and government regulation to force consumers to buy its worthless products at ridiculously high prices.

If consumers were fully aware of the enormous costs they pay to support this shameless scam, there would be a cry for public lynching of these global warming fraudsters.

It is time for a full public enquiry on the fraudulent science of alleged catastrophic global warming, and the ruinous economics of brown energy.

Janice Moore
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
May 5, 2020 8:46 pm

Excellent comment (as usual, Mr. Allan MacRae).

Here is where you said that (or something very like it) on February 22, 2017 at 2:25am

https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2017/02/22/why-are-utility-investors-and-renewable-energy-investors-are-like-oil-and-water/#comment-2435107

You made other cogent remarks on that thread, too: https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2017/02/22/why-are-utility-investors-and-renewable-energy-investors-are-like-oil-and-water

Just FYI. 🙂

No doubt, you said those things years before, also — just didn’t want to take the time to find the original comments.

Reply to  Janice Moore
May 6, 2020 3:34 am

Thank you Janet for your kind comments.

I have two engineering degrees, have researched climate-and-energy since ~1985 and started publishing papers in 2002.

In 2002 my co-authors and I published the following statements that have both proven correct–to-date:

a. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

b. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

Since then, trillions of dollars of scarce global resources have been squandered on phony green energy schemes that are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy. The result of this green energy virtue-signalling has been the destabilization of electrical grids, runaway energy costs, energy poverty, increases in winter deaths, and insignificant reduction in CO2 emissions. What a foolish debacle!

“DEBATE ON THE KYOTO ACCORD”
Published by APEGA in the PEGG, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse,
by Dr. Sallie Baliunas (Harvard-Smithsonian), Dr. Tim Patterson (Carleton U) and Allan MacRae, November 2002
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

RStabb
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
May 6, 2020 12:12 pm

Allen,

Hopefully, your good work and statements will now see the light of day.

pat
May 5, 2020 7:45 pm

Chinese communist media, CGTN, seems to like this. heard it last nite on BBC World Service, but can’t find it documents on BBC online.

5 May: CGTN: Red Cross looks to global influencers to fight virus ‘infodemic’
By CGTN Africa
But while the WHO and others are putting out correct information, it can be difficult to reach everyone and counter the misconceptions.
“Getting the right information out there when an emergency strikes is as important as healthcare,” Nicola Jones, media manager for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC), said in a statement…

In a bid to reach young people especially with accurate and vital information about the deadly disease spreading around the globe, IFRC said it had joined forces with marketing agency Billion Dollar Boy to sign up more than two dozen prominent individuals with large social media followings.
Those influencers who have signed on to the campaign so far have a joint reach of nearly two million followers across four countries, IFRC said, adding that it expected the list of participants, and followers reached, to swell significantly over coming days and weeks…

They include Antonio Nunziata of Italy — one of the countries hardest hit in the pandemic — who has more than 230,000 followers, and interior design blogger Katie Woods of Britain, with nearly 190,000 followers.
Influencers from Mexico and the United Arab Emirates are also on the list…
https://africa.cgtn.com/2020/05/05/red-cross-looks-to-global-influencers-to-fight-virus-infodemic/

6 May: Yahoo: Red Cross looks to global influencers to fight virus ‘infodemic’
by Nina LARSON, Agence-France Presse
The World Health Organization website lists a catalogue of dangerous “myths” circulating about the virus, including suggestions that hot peppers or excessive exposure to the sun can prevent or cure COVID-19.
And it flatly debunks suggestions by US President Donald Trump and others that injecting disinfectant or exposing the body to ultraviolent radiation can rid the body of the virus.

But while the WHO and others are putting out correct information, it can be difficult to reach everyone and counter the misconceptions…
Every week, the IFRC said it would send the influencer network an approved message it wants to disseminate, and the influencers will take the messaging and create their own content, ***which will be approved by the organisation before it is distributed…
https://au.news.yahoo.com/red-cross-looks-global-influencers-fight-virus-infodemic-145249275–spt.html

Reply to  pat
May 5, 2020 8:53 pm

re: “And it flatly debunks suggestions by US President Donald Trump and others that injecting disinfectant ”

THIS ‘myth’ only exists because we have so many idiots in the press MANUFACTURING CRAP that THEY then disseminate with their wholly-owned ‘platforms’ … MAYBE the MSM/nooze mediots needs to be more ‘tightly’ (BUT there is that 1st Amendment in the US) managed?

niceguy
Reply to  pat
May 8, 2020 9:36 pm

And none of these anti Trump medical idiots, I mean medical doctors, even realized that injecting disinfectant is a thing.

And bleach is not grotesque in the context of suppressing germs.

So they have it 100% wrong, and they are uneducated re: medicine and care.

David Stone
May 5, 2020 9:09 pm

Another nail in the coffin of the warmest cult. Gotta give it to ’em, nearly 50yrs worth of nails been hammered in, some of them thar climategate nails had to be at least 6″. You think they’re 6ft under but they claw their way out.