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By Ronald Stein
Founder and Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure of PTS Advance, headquartered in Irvine, California
China and India are NOT buying into the global alarm movement. Never in human history have we seen two countries (China and India), each with over a billion people, in need of such gargantuan amounts of energy to keep their economies accelerating and their citizens alive.
China and India are the two most populous countries in the world. As of 2018, China had almost 1.4 billion people, a figure that is projected to grow to 1.5 billion by 2045. India accounted for approximately 1.3 billion people in 2018 and is expected to grow to almost 1.7 billion by 2045.
Though China has spent more on clean energy than any other country and is pushing to burn natural gas (a different fossil fuel) instead of coal to counter smog, it’s still pumping money at home and abroad into coal-fired generation.
Bloomberg reports that China has enough coal-fired power plants in the pipeline to match the entire capacity of the European Union, driving the expansion in global coal power and confounding
the movement against the polluting fossil fuel.
Over half (5,884) of the world’s coal power plants (10,210) are in China and India whose populations of mostly poor peoples is roughly 2.7 billion. Together they are in the process of building 634 new ones. They are putting their money and backs into their most abundant source of energy – coal.
Currently, 2 out of every 7 people on our planet are Chinese or Indian. Both countries are desperate for energy and are rejecting renewables for coal fired power plants. They are not following Germany’s failed climate goals which should be a wake-up all for governments everywhere. Germany’s obsession with intermittent wind and solar has resulted in power prices that are now the highest in Europe, if not the world, for those Germans who are lucky enough to be supplied with it.
How these two countries use energy is obviously of great importance to world emissions levels, since coal is the dirtiest form of scalable, reliable, affordable, and abundant energy currently available to the billions in the developing world. The International Energy Association (IEA) shows that CO2 emissions in 2019 outside advanced economies (like China and India) are growing.
China isn’t embracing this “Green New Deal.” Chinese President Xi Jingping has touted his country’s transition to clean, carbon-free energy and electricity from renewables, but the facts show a much different energy reality. China accounts for roughly half the world’s coal consumption.
Tom Steyer, the same guy that wants to claim a national climate crisis in and obliterate the fossil fuel industry in America, is the same guy that made his billions financing coal fired power plants around the world. For more than 15 years, Mr. Steyer’s fund, Farallon Capital Management, pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into companies that operate coal mines and coal-fired power plants from Indonesia to China for some of the largest coal-fired power plants in India locking in decades of carbon pollution.
Shockingly, the U.S. could literally turn off the entire country from any source of energy, and global emissions would still grow according to U.S. Congressional testimony in 2017. The entire U.S. economy, military and government could disappear, and global pollution, and respiratory illness would still rise. The reason why is “one of the biggest sources of carbon dioxide emissions is developing countries.” Think China, India, and Africa.
China and India are placing themselves on the opposite end of the energy spectrum by continuing year after year to import and burn tankers full of coal, oil, and natural gas from countries that are authoritarian, human rights abusers, and that couldn’t care less about carbon emissions, countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Nigeria, Angola, and Algeria.
The quest for energy is how China and India will struggle for power in the 21st century. Both countries will not accept the threat of global warming stopping or even deterring their growth. Both governments and their economies have militaries and billions of people who are energy hungry.
Both China and India view energy as an amoral source of power that is to be used for survival and advancement during this century. The rest of the world should take careful note.
Ronald Stein, P.E.
Founder and Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure
PTSadvance.com
China is scrapping its old, dirty coal plants for new clean plants. China is also NOT pushing renewables – – in fact, China banned any new wind more than a year ago. China currently has 15 conventional nuclear plants under construction and plans for hundreds more. They are also rushing to commercialize Gen 4 molten salt small modular reactors, which undoubtedly will be the future of energy – they can be constructed in factories and deployed quickly. India is also building many new conventional reactors and also developing molte salt nuclear reactors fueled by Thorium, which they have a lot of, while having very little uranium and are unwilling to be dependent upon outside supplies of that fuel. The notion that India and China are solely pursuing coal power is not correct.
Just when you thought there was no fun left in life….
Now that we in the UK have left the European Soviet Socialist Republic, taking our huge financial contribution with us, we are sitting back with our arms folded, popcorn at the ready, to watch as the remaining 27 nations fight like ferrets in a sack over the 2021-27 budget…
The biggest potential casualty of the in-fighting seems to be some 25-billion euros to ‘fight climate change’..
Anyway – come join the fun – this spectacle is worth a ringside seat..!
David – can you supply some links as to what’s going on, please? I’ve long been aware of the scandalous amounts being wasted on ‘climate change mitigation’. How much is the UK proposing to squander in the future, I wonder?
Nothing is renewable except vegetation.
And even that requires CO2 to prosper
All covered, and then some, in Bryce’s “Power Hungry.” Basically, when one does the math, coal is here to stay, especially in the developing world. The math also reveals “renewable energy” and “Climate Change” as scams–Laughable scams. The math also shows that THE only viable alternative to primordial fuels, coal, oil, etc., is nuclear.
re: ” … locking in decades of carbon pollution.”
PLEAZE don’t use phrasing like this.
Given that 18.5% of the human body is composed of carbon, calling that element a pollutant displays either a crass ignorance, malicious intent, or both.
https://www.ptsadvance.com/profiles/ronald-stein/
FAKE STORY
VESTED INTEREST
2 companies vested in coal, nukes and oil can’t let renewables have lions share because take away from his fat pocket
Gee Ray, your happy with political climate charlatans taking slashes of cash away from your pockets with fake energy instead? There is nothing fake about the news in the article. We are going to go ahead with the big, definitive, planetary CO2 experiment no matter what silly policies and fantasies crumbling Europe and the US out-of-touch and out of power left do.
It doesnt matter whether Ronald Stein or Dr Suess wrote this. It is true and it spells the end for the climate-gov-industrial-complex. I would encourage you to start giving yourself an education on what has really been going on and stop outsourcing your thinking to those who are either witless or all-in with the real plan for us all.
re: “Gee Ray, your happy with political climate charlatans …”
Either you know your crap, or you know you’re crap; one of the preceding statement is a plus, one’s a minus … any idea which is which?
Makes you wonder why some think wind and solar are now cheaper than fossil fuels.
As sailors of old once said: “The wind is free; everything else costs money.”
Hold the phone … you forgot Japan.
Fukashima disaster. They discarded their nuclear-forward plans, and are going back to coal. That’s another 1/4 billion people onto the total of coal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/climate/japan-coal-fukushima.html
Japan’s plan to go-coal but reduce emssions? Negative population growth.
To Ronald Stein: On June 19th, David Stein (maybe your son?) posted an article on your website entitled “Californians Need to Follow Australian Voters Who Reset Their Demand for Reliable & Affordable Electricity.” In the article, he wrote “…China, Australia’s biggest trading partner, has more than 1,000 coal-fire powered generating plants, and a further 130 under construction. India currently has 292 operating coal-fired power plants and 41 more under construction.” You’ve stated there are “5,884 coal power plants in China, but the spreadsheet linked above does not give number of power plants in China, but provides data showing the annual millions of tonnes of CO2 output from coal power plants in China. From the same website (endcoal.org), the correct number of operating plants in China appears to be 1,069. We skeptics depend on WUWT for accurate unbiased data. While China and India do have many coal plants, your article is quite inaccurate.
If course they are. Only an idiot would expect less from them. China and India see the green thing as an attempt to slow them down. They are correct to an extant. They Europeans specialize in romanizing self interest.
It is perfectly understandable why India and China don’t particularly care if all the rest of us cut out all coal use. That extra coal then becomes available for them to use and it will also be cheaper than it would if we (the rest of the world) were bidding on the stuff. Less cost per KW…no brainer.
This is the best thing I’ve heard in years,consider the following 1. Nancy Pelosi aka the Grim Ripper and her associates aren’t going to get their 100 trillion dollars for the Green Bogus New Deal. 2. Germany has led the way for so called clean energy , power prices are three times greater than the rest of Europe and their only half way to their goal.3. Dr Patrick Moore , former founder of Green Peace, has written a paper on the roller coaster downward trend of Co2 over the Eons, during the last ice age CO2 went down to 180 ppm,only 30 ppm above the beginnings of an extinction event. 4. One of the secrets of economic growth is developing forms, of ever higher energy flux densities 5. Imagine our future progeny left with a solar cell, wind mill economy- in the coming Ice age, it was a common event to get 40 feet of snow in a storm, start digging boys. 6. MIT break through on Fusion energy, helium 3 produced no radiation, there’s 1.5 million tons on the moon.They say 1 ton can power the earth for a year, yes will need more since there isn’t a connected grid, go to Mars in 2-7 days, change the inflection points on killer asteroids, affordable sea water desalination. Just do it!!!
re: “6. MIT break through on Fusion energy, … ”
I’ll make mention of this technology that seems to have out-paced ‘Fusion’ (after all, has ‘Fusion’ demonstrated to have been capable of warming even ONE gallon of water yet?) by reference to this post:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/10/weekly-energy-and-climate-news-roundup-3/#comment-2913445
…Confounding the movement against the polluting fossil
fuel…
Note: but wind and solar, under careful scrutiny, are increasing
being found to be more polluting when life cycle includes rare earth,
lithium and cobalt mining and disposal (wind turbines
require replacement in 20 years or less, solar panels 30 years of
less, coal plants 50 years or more).
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-india-coal-electricity/indias-annual-coal-power-output-falls-for-first-time-in-a-decade-idUKKBN20B1I2?il=0
“India’s annual electricity generation from coal-fired utilities fell in 2019 for the first time in a decade, government data showed, amid a broader economic slowdown and increased use of renewable energy.”
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-column-russell-coal-india/column-coal-fired-power-is-losing-unfair-fight-in-india-to-renewables-idUKKBN20E0S2
“Coal-fired power in India is being increasingly priced out of the market by cheaper renewables such as solar, with the dirtier fuel abandoned by private capital, and only projects with government support being viable. ”
And
https://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/no-more-coal-imports-power-184749161.html
“No more coal imports by power plants from FY24: Union coal minister Pralhad Joshi”
(though that ambition has failed before!)
While I, like many others, found the video offensive I don’t think such an obvious attempt at humor should be censored; merely ridiculed. What I find much more offensive and ridiculous are the blatant lies and inaccuracies of shows like “Roots” and the NYT 1619 Project. Africa needs cheap, reliable energy (coal) and our elites are spouting bull$hi# about the guilt of Europeans for slavery.
EVERYBODY had slavery in 1619! The word ‘yacht’ comes from a Dutch word for a ship that was developed to try to outmaneuver the slave-raiding galleys that were terrorizing the coast of Europe as far north as Denmark! And the scene of Europeans running around in Africa, chasing and capturing the locals for slaves, is equally ludicrous! European slavers bought or traded with local African or Muslim slave traders! They dreaded going ashore at all due to the “miasmas” which were so often deadly for those without antibodies or medicine. The death rate for British naval vessels of the African Squadron were often in excess of 50% without any shots being fired! And still sailors volunteered and England spent thousands of lives and millions of pounds suppressing the international slave trade! Who else did anything like that? Well, actually the post-bellum US did, but that’s another story!
The Eco-extremist Movement is just another chapter in the long history of racism against, and subjugation of, the peoples of Africa! At least they don’t castrate millions of boys and young men with a knife or piece of glass like the Muslim slave traders did; but what they are doing may be even worse! Denying inexpensive coal energy keeps millions of Africans impoverished and breathing highly polluted air from cooking fires alone! The lack of reliable energy also severely stunts the growth and development of a modern infrastructure which could continue the astounding rise out of poverty that has occurred during the last few decades!
We should be building habitats on the Moon and Mars, but instead our colleges have regressed to scams that mis-educate our children while shackling them with huge amounts of debt for a degree that is often worthless and teaching them to be afraid of a trace gas that is the basis of Life itself! No wonder so many of them act insane, they are brainwashed and bamboozled to their wits end! Sorry for the rant, but I get angry when I think about this barely covert racism so widespread in the Green Blob! Like all forms of fear and hatred, it is based in ignorance!
“The entire U.S. economy, military and government could disappear, and global pollution, and respiratory illness would still rise. The reason why is “one of the biggest sources of carbon dioxide emissions is developing countries.” Think China, India, and Africa.” What the hell is this? Carbon dioxide emission are not pollutants and do not cause respiratory illness, if it did as I life lone asthmatic I would have died from my own breath. The same is for PM2.5. Cold air is a bigger problem for me than cigarette smoke, even though 40 plus years of smoking did indeed kill my father(I would not have lasted anywhere near that long smoking, my lung let me know what they though about that early on like the next morning coughing out the junk for a half hour in the shower.) IF PM2.5 was the problem the educated morons say it was my father would have died long before he sired me, instead he passed away thirty six years later.
Quantifying Futility
The Western world’s delusion with Climate Change / Catastrophe will have no effect on the growth on Man-made CO2 emissions this century. And incidentally the reduction of CO2 emissions from Europe will have no measurable effect on future temperature.
A rational projection of future Man-made CO2 emissions is set out here.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/21/quantifying-futility-an-estimate-of-future-global-co2-emissions/
Nothing new under the sun –
https://www.google.com/search?q=proto+european+charcoal+pile+industry&oq=proto+european+charcoal+pile+industry+&aqs=chrome.
Why chewing climate highbrow legends over and over again – against ad nauseum known facts:
https://www.google.com/search?q=South+East+Air+pollution+Taklamakan&oq=South+East+Air+pollution+Taklamakan+&aqs=chrome.