Killing Birds

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen — 4 February 2020

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The driver of the car pictured in the image here has committed a Federal Crime — a misdemeanor under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 (MBTA) punishable by a fine of up to US$15,000 or imprisonment of not more than six months.  His crime?  He has violated the MBTA which makes it illegal to:

“pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill, possess, offer for sale, sell, offer to purchase, purchase, deliver for shipment, ship, cause to be shipped, deliver for transportation, transport, cause to be transported, carry, or cause to be carried by any means whatever, receive for shipment, transportation or carriage, or export, at any time, or in any manner, any migratory bird, included in the terms of this Convention . . . for the protection of migratory birds . . . or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird.” (16 U.S.C. 703)”

[ Correction (1430 ET 4 Feb 2020):  The car-bird collision involved a turkey which, it turns out, is NOT on the MBTA list of protected birds.  The turkey vulture is on the list. The error is mine.  If it had been a sparrow or a robin, however, the crime would have been committed. ]

Surely, you might think, I am kidding here.  But I am not.

“Solicitor’s Opinion M-37041 – Incidental Take Prohibited Under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, issued January I 0 , 2017 (hereinafter “Opinion M-37041 “), which concluded that “the MBTA’ s broad prohibition on taking and killing migratory birds by any means and in any manner includes incidental taking and killing .”

This opinion represented the standard practice of the United States Department of the Interior’s Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) in the application and enforcement of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.  A brief version of the history is given in this government document:  “M-37050 – The Migratory Bird Treaty Act Does Not Prohibit Incidental Take”.

The document linked expressly rescinds the opinion expressed in M-37041 and replaces it with the following:

“Interpreting the MBTA to apply to incidental or accidental actions hangs the sword of Damocles over a  host of otherwise  lawful and productive actions, threatening up to six  months  in jail and a  $15,000 penalty for each and every bird injured or killed. As Justice Marshall warned, “the value of a sword of Damocles is that it hangs-not that it drops. ” Indeed, the mere threat of prosecution inhibits otherwise lawful conduct.”

“For the reasons explained below, this Memorandum finds that, consistent with the text, hi story, and purpose of the MBTA, the statute’s prohibitions on pursuing, hunting, taking, capturing, killing, or attempting to do the same apply only to affirmative actions that have as their purpose the taking or killing of migratory birds, their nests, or their eggs.”  [emphasis added — kh ]

Lucky for the driver in the featured image that the interpretation was changed.  The turkey is one of the 2,194 birds that are currently covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.  Wait a minute, you might say, how is that possible?  How many bird species are there in the United States?  According to National Geographic there are “The United States is home to 1107 different species of birds, while Canada and Alaska host 686 and 521 species respectively.”  I’d add those together, but Canada and Alaska share many of the same species.   Some of the species covered by the MBTA are listed because they are protected in other countries that are party to the treaty.

What does this mean for you and I?  It seems that virtually every bird you  might see, or run into with your car, or have inadvertently fly into your plate glass window, or have killed by your pet dog or cat, is covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act — and up until February 2017, you committed at least a Federal misdemeanor by failing to prevent the collision, either with your car or your window or failed to prevent your cat or dog from killing a backyard bird.

On January 30th, the US Fish and Wildlife Service issued a statement that it was “proposing a rule that defines the scope of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) to provide regulatory certainty to the public, industries, states, tribes and other stakeholders. ….  This proposed rule clarifies that the scope of the MBTA only extends to conduct intentionally injuring birds. Conduct that results in the unintentional (incidental) injury or death of migratory birds is not prohibited under the act.”  In effect,  turning the memorandum “M-37050 – The Migratory Bird Treaty Act Does Not Prohibit Incidental Take” into a rule.  For the FWS’s viewpoint, also see here.

As expected, the media have leapt in with accusations of the current administration attempting to weaken environmental laws.  Lisa Friedman in the NY Times says:

“It’s a race against the clock,” Bob Dreher, senior vice president of conservation programs at Defenders of Wildlife, an environmental organization, said of the proposed regulation. Any legal guideline, like the one now governing bird-death enforcement, can be easily overturned; the 2017 opinion on incidental avian deaths reversed guidelines written by the Obama administration to enshrine the government’s ability to fine and prosecute those who accidentally kill migratory birds. Mr. Dreher noted that codifying the opinion into regulation, as the Trump administration is trying to do, would make it harder for a future president to issue a quick reversal.”

The Audubon Society says in: “Administration Doubles Down on Bird-Killer Policy” —

“The Trump Administration’s Bird Killer Department, formerly known as the Department of the Interior, just gets crueler and more craven every day,” said David Yarnold, president and CEO of Audubon (@david_yarnold).  “And today they are doubling down despite the fact that America did not elect this administration to kill birds.”

In another article, the National Audubon Society says:

”For the past half-century, the government’s position was that the law prohibited “incidental take,” or the inadvertent but often predictable killing of birds, usually through industrial activities. Though rarely used, that legal authority helped convince industries to adopt bird-saving practices and technologies. But in late 2017, Daniel Jorjani, the department’s top lawyer, issued a memorandum stating that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS)—the agency in charge of implementing the MBTA—would no longer enforce incidental take.”

Important Note:  Readers should not confuse the National Audubon Society with your  friendly neighborhood or regional Audubon group.  Local Audubon groups are people like you and I and they do good work at the local level.   It is David Yarnold, president and CEO of the National Audubon Society, that spouts off as quoted above sounding  every bit as crazy as your average Extinction Rebellion or Greenpeace mouthpiece.  In reality, the not-for-profit “charity” National Audubon has assets totaling nearly half a billion dollars and Yarnold receives an annual salary of US$ 617,905.

And there’s the rub — freely admitted by Audubon — the previous position of criminalizing accidental or incidental killing of birds (and remember, nearly every US bird is covered by the MBTA) was “rarely used” — and when it was used, it was selectively applied to the petroleum industry, the power industry, the cell phone industry, the mining industry, the construction industry and agricultural interests.   And that’s a real problem.  The threat of prosecution has been used as a cudgel to enforce the desires and agendas of various advocacy organizations such as Audubon.

Why is this bad?  As the law was previously interpreted, almost any death of almost any bird in the United States, or even just disturbance of almost any bird nesting site, or even picking up and keep a bird feather could have been prosecuted as a Federal Crime.   Want to replace a  bridge in your community?  Can’t do it if any birds are nesting under it….Federal crime.  Want to restore sand to your beaches?  If you fail to get a Federal permit allowing you to disturb the birds that habituate the beach — Federal crime.  Cut down a tree in your yard, causing a bird nest to fall?….Federal crime.

Oh, but you were safe from prosecution unless you were carefully selected — by whom?  Who knows?  If any of the aggressive environmental groups reported your offense to the FWS you could be pursued for prosecution.   Neighbors don’t like you?  They report you to the local chapter of the Environmental Defense Fund or National Audubon, who file a complaint with the FWS.

However, if David Yarnold, president and CEO of Audubon, accidentally kills a migratory bird with his car — or, heaven forbid, a migratory bird kills itself by flying into those big plate glass windows at Audubon’s Discovery Center (pictured below), then — well — it is just an unfortunate unavoidable accident.

Audubons_Discovery_center

Now, just to be clear, the Migratory Bird Treaty Act literally covers almost any bird you are likely to come across in the Unites States.  Don’t believe me, think of a bird you have seen in your yard and then check the list.   Sparrow? – on the list.  Crow?  – on the list.  Cowbird?  – on the list. Finch?  – on the list.  Turkey? – on the list.  Robin?  – on the list.   Your kid picked up a robin’s egg that fell out of the nest in your yard’s apple tree?  He is only now protected from prosecution by the change proposed  in the new FWS rule.

The Migratory Bird Treaty Act is not the same as the Endangered Species Act which protects endangered species.  For birds, this means just the 77 species of US birds on this list.  You will not find the Bald Eagle on that list — it is no longer endangered.  It is, along with the Golden Eagle, protected under another Federal law, the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act (as well as the MBTA). There are an additional 22 US birds on the Threatened list.  Those 101 bird species have special protections, as they probably should.

egg_collectionThe Migratory Bird Treaty Act was expressly passed to prevent the then on-going wanton destruction of hundreds of thousands of birds, the destruction of which was made extremely profitable by two very popular fads of the late-1800s and early 1900s.  Bird egg collections for display in curio cabinets of Victorian homes, like the one shown here were very popular, both in the United States and in Europe.  Even more popular were ladies hats and this required a nearly endless supply of  feathers (and bizarrely, whole birds) to the millinery trade.  Like many of the problems we see with endangered species today, it was a fad that was endangering the birds in the 19th century — the making of ladies hats like these:

feather-hats

Does the proposed new rule, which will codify the existing FWS’s current practice, mean,  as the Audubon society claims, that everyone is now free to kill all the birds they want to?  Of course not!   There are lots and lots of laws protecting wildlife, at both the Federal and the State level.

What it does mean is that advocacy organizations will no longer have the power to threaten individuals and industries with Federal prosecution over the inadvertent, incidental and accidental death of birds.

And that is a good thing.

Bottom Line:

 Birds, like all wildlife, are part of our common natural heritage and deserve our active protection from wanton destruction — whether at the hands of  commercial interests or through inattention and simple neglect.  Sensible clear laws  and rules for their protection are a right and proper use of governmental regulatory powers.

The United States Federal government is changing the interpretation of the MBTA to exclude criminal prosecution except in the case of affirmative actions that have as their purpose the taking or killing of migratory birds, their nests, or their eggs.” And will enshrine this interpretation as a new rule.

That means that you and I are safe, for the time being,  from selective prosecution under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, which covers nearly every bird species in the United States, for accidental, unintentional, inadvertent acts which could be construed as  pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill, possess,… any migratory bird, … or any part [including feathers] , nest, or egg of any such bird.”  — including potentially malicious prosecution based on the accusations of over-zealous advocates.

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Author’s Comment:

I like birds.  I watch birds.  I have a dozen or more bird field books.  I feed birds in the winter.  I have sat in my car for hours watching a male pin-tailed whydah attempt to get air-borne from the ground despite his incredibly long tail — ready to intervene if any predators appeared — until  he eventually made it up to a telephone wire, where he was safe.

I have picked up colorful feathers in the woods.    And sadly have collided with birds on the highway.  I have picked up fallen bird eggs, and unable to find the nest from which they fell, taken them home to show to my curious children.  I have chased birds out of my vegetable garden to protect my crops.  None of these should ever have been Federal criminal offenses, yet they were, under previous administrations’ interpretation of the MBTA.     At least for now,  they are not.

I realize that not everyone will agree with my understanding of MBTA battle taking place in Washington, D.C..

I would love to read your thoughts in the comments.  Start with “Kip…” if speaking to me.

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mickey
February 4, 2020 11:36 am

“What does this mean for you and I [sic]?”
“Local Audubon groups are people like you and I [sic] and they do good work at the local level.”
“That means that you and I are safe”

I guess 1 out of 3 ain’t bad.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 4, 2020 4:33 pm

Sort of like the Boss Corgi does the Poms ?
😉 😉

R Moore
February 4, 2020 11:38 am
n.n
February 4, 2020 11:42 am

Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic – the secular religion (“ethics”), huh. The wind turbine gauntlets, and solar ovens, are an affirmative threat to the birds, and bats.

Sam Capricci
February 4, 2020 11:43 am

Reminds me of that TV show WKRP in Cincinnati where for Thanksgiving they decided to give away turkeys dropped from a helicopter. “As God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly.” Most people don’t realize that wild turkeys can fly, but not very well.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 5, 2020 6:58 am

They can also run like the dickens. Usain Bolt might catch one, but no mere mortal could manage it.

dmacleo
February 4, 2020 11:52 am

turkey VULTURES are on list not wild turkeys.
hell we have huge hunting seasons here in Maine for them.
I have tons (literally) of them in my roads often, in 2001 or so hit a huge one on I95 with my 89 marquis and left its neck and head stuck in the grill for months as a warning to other animals…..

Editor
Reply to  dmacleo
February 4, 2020 2:22 pm

dmacleo ==> Yes, when my search function was used to see if the turkey was on the MBTA list, it returned a position but because Turkey Vulture was on the list.

Editor
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 4, 2020 2:35 pm

…returned a positive…

dmacleo
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 5, 2020 7:48 am

honestly it caught me for a moment too, appreciate your proactively correcting that.
good article too. hope I didn’t imply or you inferred otherwise.

Olen
February 4, 2020 12:04 pm

Absolute power. Reading I thought absolute power.

Dictionary definition: Complete authority to act in an area, not restrained by supervision or review.

In this case, or common sense.

Alan
February 4, 2020 12:09 pm

What about nuisance birds? When was a kid growing up on a farm, we had a dozen or so pecan trees. I used to snipe crows with a .22 rifle. My dad told me to hang the dead on a fence for the other crows to see. I guess I’d still be locked up.

Editor
Reply to  Alan
February 4, 2020 1:03 pm

Alan ==> The following crows are on the MBTA list:
CROW,
American, Corvus brachyrhynchos (Thois one is the common American crow)
Fish, Corvus ossifragus
Hawaiian, Corvus hawaiiensis
Mariana, Corvus kubaryi
Northwestern, Corvus caurinus
Tamaulipas, Corvus imparatus
White-necked, Corvus leucognaphalus

Under the previous interpretation, you were guilty of a Federal offense, unless your state allowed permits for crows.

Carl Friis-Hansen
February 4, 2020 12:18 pm

“The backlash over a controversial 2013 government rule exempting wind farms from prosecution for the unintentional deaths of bald and golden eagles—for up to three decades—continues to play out in emotional online comments.”
https://www.dailysignal.com/2014/07/25/federal-agency-faces-backlash-wind-farms-get-exemption-killing-eagles/

David Chorley
February 4, 2020 12:56 pm

So we have an alternate ending to the movie “Sully”.
“Captain Sullivan, we find you acted heroically in saving all the lives of the crew and passengers of your aircraft, but you caused the deaths of 20 migratory birds, so you are sentenced to 10 years in prison with a $300,000 fine”

Editor
February 4, 2020 1:02 pm

Kip, outstanding work. Let me add my small contribution, which is my own explanation of why the wind turbines kill so many birds … curiously, the answer is bugs.

And a further detail. It was Comrade Obama who made it legal for wind turbines to kill eagles, first capped at 1,200 in 2013, and then raised to 4,200 in 2017.

On January 17, 2017, the number of bald eagles that can be killed by wind farm permit holders will increase from the current legal number of 1,100 to 4,200—almost a quadrupling. The Fish and Wildlife Service is issuing new 30-year permits that allow the additional eagles to be killed or injured without prosecution under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act. The fee for a long-term permit is $36,000. A permitted facility that exceeds its authorized eagle kill limit will not be fined or criminally prosecuted, although it could be “subject to an enforcement action at any time for unpermitted prior take of eagles.” [i] Under the previous rule, the permits were for a five-year term.

That law itself is a crime. If oil companies kill eagles they pay huge fines, and wind turbines are given a free pass. Green ideology gone insane. See here for details.

And here’s my post on the subject of bugs and birds, Explaining Wind Turbine Lethality

w.

Editor
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
February 4, 2020 2:29 pm

w. ==> Thanks for weighting in on the Wind Turbine issue — I purposefully avoided it as it would just have sidelined the issue I was trying to cover.

The Bald Eagle killing is a perfect example of “selective enforcement” — had you shot an eagle that was preying on your backyard chicken flock, you’d be toast. But you local wind turbine farm can kill them by the thousands — because “we like wind farms….”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 4, 2020 4:30 pm

“Thanks for weighting in”

I give up.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 5, 2020 2:34 am

If you were driving a hybrid and generationg electricity when you hit the bird, surely you would be exempt from all blame since you would claim that you were doing what a windmill does.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 5, 2020 7:10 pm

Understood, Kip. 🙂

Kit4short
February 4, 2020 1:03 pm

If the same laws applied to Kangaroos in Australia, there would be an awful lot of drivers facing prosecution.
Sad, but these brainless creatures jump out from the side of the road without any warning and ultimately get killed or injured and there is rarely anything that can be done to avoid them.
The car repair industry does very well out of it though

jmorpuss
February 4, 2020 1:32 pm

6. 5G Danger: LA Firefighters Develop Ailments After Being Too Close to Towers
In this video a 25 year veteran firefighter from Los Angeles compares cell towers to cigarettes. He calls for a stop to the cell/mobile phone base stations being built on or near fire stations. Firefighters are not the only ones suffering the effects; it was reported that hundreds of birds fell from the sky in the Netherlands during a 5G test.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5g-danger-13-reasons-5g-wireless-technology-will-be-a-catastrophe-for-humanity/5680503

Editor
Reply to  jmorpuss
February 4, 2020 2:31 pm

jmorpuss ==> Personally, I don’t think that that organization publishes scientifically sound information.

Other readings can click through and decide for themselves.

Editor
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 4, 2020 2:36 pm

…other readers….

commieBob
Reply to  jmorpuss
February 4, 2020 3:56 pm

If our firefighter is worried about a 5G tower, she should throw away her cell phone immediately. When you’re making a phone call, and holding the cell phone next to your head, its signal strength, as measured at your head, is much much much stronger than the signal coming from the cell tower, as measured at your head.

Take note of the cell tower antennas. They are very directional, especially in the vertical plane. If you’re standing at the base of the tower, the signal from its antennas will probably be weaker than if you’re standing a mile away.

Cell phone towers are not a problem in terms of human health. The problem, if it exists at all, is the cell phone right in your own hand.

Mike
February 4, 2020 1:45 pm

But its ok to kill thousands if not millions of birds with green windmill farms?

Robber
February 4, 2020 1:45 pm

Wind turbines kill between 214,000 and 368,000 birds annually. It seems clear that erecting a large set of whirling 200 foot long blades with the tips spinning at 120 mph is not an incidental action, and it will kill birds.

Abolition Man
February 4, 2020 1:46 pm

Kip, thank you for an interesting post. As an avid feeder of birds ( quail block, several suet cages and scattered seed right now and I make one or two GALLONS of nectar every day during peak hummer season) I was fascinated to read about the bureaucratic overreach of the previous administration. Much what one would expect from Progressive religious fanatics since their dogma identifies government as God, with pols and bureaucrats the saints and angels of the pantheon.
While I have been aware that possessing an eagle feather is a federal crime, I believe I am now protected from prosecution since I currently identify as a lesbian, Native American woman. Hopefully this will, at minimum, keep me out of a men’s prison if I am ever convicted of having a feather that an eagle may or may not have given to me in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah. Come to think of it, I believe I might have had that possible feather with me when I suffered that boating accident out on the lake with all my firearms. What are the odds!

Editor
Reply to  Abolition Man
February 4, 2020 2:33 pm

Abolition Man ==> If you shift identities often enough and fast enough, they’ll never catch you!

dmacleo
February 4, 2020 1:53 pm

Kip….
please edit post to point out the turkey vs turkey vulture issue thanks

dmacleo
Reply to  dmacleo
February 4, 2020 2:03 pm

disregard as I posted that the edit showed up on article, thanks

Andre Lauzon
February 4, 2020 1:54 pm

In Canada turkeys do not migrate………… they run for The House of Commons. (many get elected)

Editor
Reply to  Andre Lauzon
February 4, 2020 2:39 pm

Andre ==> Same here in the State of New York — they end up in the legislature and as Governors.

My boys all hunt the feathered variety in season and we have wonderful turkey roasts. (I don’t hunt.)

dmacleo
February 4, 2020 2:00 pm

oddly enough this over reach been an issue in Maine well before obama was even a senator.
all due to tribes getting leeway to break laws rest of us have to follow.

Editor
Reply to  dmacleo
February 4, 2020 2:42 pm

dmacleo ==> It is not my issue that certain selected groups — Native Americans — “get” to kill eagles for their feathers. It is that tje Federal government had criminalized accidental events.

Although I am not a certified member of a Native American tribe, my father was born on the Pine Ridge along the banks of Wounded Knee Creek. I don’t knowingly own any eagle feathers.

HD Hoese
February 4, 2020 2:01 pm

Back in the first environmental movement circa a half century ago federal agencies, some quite new, in my experience considered the constitution. For example, I recall discussions about how the migratory bird treaty would be constitutional, how it expanded probably like many other laws and regulations.

Besides trucks, how many locomotives hit birds, they are noisy, but not as much as steam engines. Is the US government Amtrack line guilty? Are turkey vultures covered, at least the black migrates some? Lots of them scavenging get scavenged, I and wonder how increased speed limits have been responsible. Texas has two lane roads with 75mph limits, some with little shoulder and limited visibility.

Editor
Reply to  HD Hoese
February 4, 2020 2:47 pm

HD Hoese ==> One of the links in the essay gives a good history of the MBTA and all its amendments over the years.

Yes, turkey vultures (and blacks) are on the MBTA list. I see vulture corpses along the NY State Thruway quite often — they get hit approaching or leaving another bit of road kill.

February 4, 2020 2:14 pm

So, how come the bird-chopping windmills and bird-frying solar arrays get a pass on this law. The piles of dead birds at the bases are not a good look.

Timo Soren
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
February 4, 2020 2:49 pm

It would be interesting to see how these windmills get a legal pass. If we have the MBTA where does the power come to ignore it?

Editor
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
February 4, 2020 2:49 pm

nicholas tesdorf ==> Willis answers your question above in this comment.

StephenP
February 4, 2020 2:54 pm

Here in the UK we have until last year had general licences allowing the killing of certain pest birds such as corvids and wood pigeons.
Last spring some activists took to the law saying that the licences were illegal. The result was that the licences were suspended at a crucial time of year when sheep were lambing and songbirds nesting.
There was a great kerfuffle and the licences were reinstated temporarily, but are to be reviewed again this spring.
See http://www.basc.org.uk/gl/

Abolition Man
February 4, 2020 3:05 pm

Nicholas, on the altar of political correctness and Progressivism what are a few million birds and bats every year? At least 100,000,000 people were murdered or starved to death by their blemishless leaders in the 20th Century; why would such ideologues worry about such lower creatures? Especially warmongering hawks and eagles, and scary nighttime insectivores!

Flight Level
February 4, 2020 4:20 pm

Oh no… So Capt. Sullenberger faces criminal prosecution ?

navy bob
February 4, 2020 5:43 pm

I believe cats – domestic and feral – are the biggest killers by far of U.S. songbirds. Don’t remember any details, but I’ve seen unbelievable estimates of – I think – over a billion victims of cats in a single state.

n.n
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 4, 2020 7:16 pm

Yes, the pussyh… cats are surely a burden, and should be exonerated through the PETA (People for Euthanasia of Throwaway Animals) protocol. Except for my cat, who is a tom with a perfect record of managing jerries.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  navy bob
February 5, 2020 9:39 am

navy bob
I suspect that number cannot be substantiated. Can and will cats take birds? Certainly. But, so do bobcats, foxes, coyotes, raccoons, weasels, and raptors, to name just a few. The wild animals are more highly motivated than a well-fed house cat! If all domesticated and feral cats were to disappear tomorrow, it would mean that the wild animals would have more to eat and their populations could be expected to increase to fill the ecological niche vacated by the cats, leaving a net change of zero in the bird kills.

I have a stray cat that I took in about 5 years ago. She has brought many chipmunks to the door. However, she has never brought a single bird. I personally believe that ‘birders’ tend to overestimate the impact of cats.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kip Hansen
February 5, 2020 3:34 pm

But, the unanswered question is whether feral cats play an ‘unnatural’ role in keeping bird populations in check, or just act as proxies for other wild predators that would otherwise be more numerous.

There is a high mortality rate for all new-born creatures, which decreases as they gain more strength and experience.

Have comparative studies been conducted with other wild predators? If not, then it isn’t even possible to properly allocate the impact of cats in the total scheme of things. We get a number for cats, but what is the proportion of kills for all predators?

Geoff Sherrington
February 4, 2020 8:01 pm

Kip,
One grammar rule says no to s comma after “and” per your sentence above.
Just sayin’ hoew some pedants think. Misuse of the rules in H. W. Fowler’s 1926 reference book on the English language is now widespread. We used to have written exams about that book. Geoff S
p.s. As I was typing this, a news reporter spoke of “the amount of viewers watching that TV show….”. Horrible mangling.