Greens Pushing Hard to Blame Aussie Climate Policies for Bushfires

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison. By User:Clrdms – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison attempt to play both sides of the climate game has spectacularly backfired. By claiming to care about climate change but at the same time not doing a lot to reduce CO2 emissions, the Prime Minister has left himself wide open to green accusations he has not done enough to prevent Australia’s bushfires.

Are the bushfires Scott Morrison’s Hurricane Katrina moment that he can’t live down?

By Laura Tingle

Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst natural disasters in US history. It displaced hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. The damage was estimated at $US100 billion, and more than 1,000 people are thought to have died.

When it struck, US President George W Bush was on vacation on his ranch in Texas. The two days it took for him to decide to cut short the vacation and return to Washington was a disaster of a different kind.

It was not just a political disaster for Bush, but a disaster for public confidence in the agencies responding to the storm.

Blame games erupted between Washington and state and local authorities about why the response was so slow.

As people yell at the Prime Minister when he visits their devastated communities, or howl for his blood on social media, the story of Bush’s failure to immediately recognise a catastrophe and the urgent need for leadership it represented, tells us what problems are created by Scott Morrison’s perplexing failures of political and policy judgement in recent weeks.

People are frightened, and angry. Some have lived through a fire, or just faced the anxiety of trying to evacuate family through massive traffic jams.

They may have faced shortages of food and fuel, and/or several days without power and communications.

Such people tend to lose their faith in the capacity of governments to comprehend, let alone respond, to a crisis like this that is likely to continue for at least some months.

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Aussie climate activists have not yet won the public debate. There is widespread awareness that climate activists sabotaged fire safety forest management by occupying forests scheduled for controlled burns in the years leading up to this years’s horrific fire season.

A few days ago I heard local regional radio presenters criticising greens for their disastrous campaigns to prevent controlled burns.

And of course, as Morrison himself pointed out, Australian domestic climate policy has no real impact on global CO2 emissions, so even if CO2 was driving more intense fires, there is nothing the Australian government could do about it.

But none of this is helping Prime Minister Scott Morrison. His weak climate prevarications and his clumsy and insensitive response to the bushfire crisis are making him look uncaring and disengaged.

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January 4, 2020 6:08 am

Could someone please point me to the Chapter and page of the IPCC’s SR 15 report (?) which says that extreme weather is not related to CC. Many thanks.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 7:15 am

Read it yourself.

Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 8:07 am

You act as if the IPCC is the gospel on CC.
There has always been extreme weather. There is no evidence that the weather in recent years has been outside the range of normal.

Anders Valland
Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 8:33 am

Well Scott, no. Just as nobody can point to where it says it is.

Reply to  Anders Valland
January 5, 2020 9:59 am

Some (all?) IPCC reports don’t even say how CO2 causes global warming. Trying to find useful information in an IPCC report is often an unrewarding exercise.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 8:43 am

Bushfires are not weather. Extreme bushfires are not extreme weather.

Mark BLR
Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 9:50 am

Nobody says that “extreme weather” has zero relationship with (whatever definition you have in mind for) “climate change”.

For non-scientists who wish for simplistic soundbites (< 144 characters long) The Real World (TM) is unfortunately not so accommodating.

From the IPCC's AR5 (2013, WG1) report, in the "FAQ 10.2" box on page 928 :

In the present climate, individual extreme weather events cannot be unambiguously ascribed to climate change, since such events could have happened in an unchanged climate. However the probability of occurrence of such events could have changed significantly at a particular location. Human-induced increases in greenhouse gases are estimated to have contributed substantially to the probability of some heatwaves. Similarly, climate model studies suggest that increased greenhouse gases have contributed to the observed intensification of heavy precipitation events found over parts of the Northern Hemisphere. However, the probability of many other extreme weather events may not have changed substantially. Therefore, it is incorrect to ascribe every new weather record to climate change.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 9:56 am

Its called weather Steve. You need remedial classwork before commenting in this site.

Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 10:33 am

So judging by the comments I guess the answer to your question Steve is no.

Reply to  Steve45
January 4, 2020 12:06 pm

Judging by the comments,it is foolish to expect the IPCC to disprove weather or natural disasters.

The IPCC was commissioned to prove anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming. Which the IPCC has failed spectacularly to prove.

Just the words “extreme weather” is an indication of false description; especially when history demonstrates that weather events have occurred repeatedly through history. It also identifies the questioner as too lazy to perform simple searches.

Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 12:19 pm

Snowball Earth.

Reply to  Steve
January 4, 2020 7:40 pm

It mentions drought, Cyclones ad precipitation. You will find it at –

January 4, 2020 6:15 am

Good news in some areas at least, rain and cooler weather will provide some relief.

January 4, 2020 6:20 am

What’s the Churchill line from “Darkest Hour” ” when will the lesson be learned that you cannot negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth” Pretty much sums up the dilemma of politicians who want to ride the green tiger.… politely. Climate activism brooks no half measures. It’s abandon sanity or suffer the consequences. Deepest condolences from your mates on the losses you are suffering from the bush fires. I hope to hear that we are doing all we can to provide any assistance you require in your hour of need. You are a staunch friend and we suffer to see you suffer.

Reply to  troe
January 4, 2020 7:43 am

Ex PM Abbott is free to call them out now and better late than never-
Some honest journos are at least trying to put it into perspective above all the usual media hype and the climate cult making the most of it as usual-
We simply have a lot more people and property in harms way nowadays than in the past just like you do in California and yet you can read between the lines with those historical fires how equally disastrous they were for their times.

Reply to  observa
January 4, 2020 1:00 pm

Observa the link to the ‘msn’ site tells it all sadly in that Australia has always had bushfires. The likes of Greta needs to see these records of history and also to realise that arsonists and human error cause a high proportion of these fires. Added to that reduced backburning and hazard reduction is always going to end in disaster.

Greens and other leftists think they have all the answers. They are not willing to enter into any kind of discussion with anyone who might suggest that from their own experience a better way to do things. There is no conversation. If you shut out the views of more than half the population simply because they don’t align with your agenda then you are denying knowledge.

Doesn’t that make them, the ‘leftists’ the denialist?

Reply to  Megs
January 4, 2020 7:48 pm

I think there are gasses emitting from the earth that help fuel these fires. I wonder if they’ve ever done any testing for this?

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Goleta
Reply to  WindyGirl
January 6, 2020 12:45 am

Here in Santa Barbara there is gas bubbling out of the ground (and sea) all the time. There is oil in the water from natural seeps.

It has to help fires, but is insignificant in terms of what going on in the mountains behind us. I was up there today (to 2300 ft) and huge areas are blackened by fire. There is a lot of untouched ravine cool forest as well, such as at the old stage coach stop on top, but that is not a majority of the land, by far.

It is obvious that the land recovers quickly from fire.

Incidentally in South Africa around Cape Town, which has fire-dependent vegetation, a close examination of small animals showed they hide quite effectively from fire and were quick to repopulate burned areas. Maybe it is similar in California

Reply to  Megs
January 5, 2020 6:20 am

Hi Megs; You make many good observations but I disagree with you on this detail:
“…Greens and other leftists think they have all the answers…”
In my experience, greens and other left-tards never have any answers, they only have demands and those demands are only ever in regard to what they (and the echo chamber in their loca cafe) demand should not be allowed simply because they dogmatically disapprove of it.
So they demand no controlled burn-offs, no clearing of fire breaks, no coal, no oil, no cars, no guns, no nuclear energy, no dams, no wood-chipping, no forestry, no plastic straws, no paper coffee cups, no conservative policies, no public opinions other than their own…etc, ad-nauseum.
When it comes to answers, those are always someone else’s problem and woe-betide he or she who volunteers an answer and gets it wrong in the judgement of the Greens and Left-tards. Never mind having the gall to question the logical rationale behind the demand.
So I agree with your conclusion that the real ‘deniers’ in modern society are indeed the Greens and Left-tards, but merely uttering that will probably trigger cries of ‘I’m offended’, invite genuinely vulgar abuse and solicit comparison of my opinions with some kind of facism. And possibly invite legal action for uttering ‘hate’ speech.
Luckily it would appear that enough sensible people are growing sick and tired of putelent Greens and left-tards but the pussification is so entrenched now that western societies will probably continue weakening before they improve.

Reply to  Megs
January 5, 2020 5:23 pm

it’s not half the population that agrees with you: in fact over 90% of americans believe climate change caused by rising CO2 levels is real. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Reply to  kit
January 5, 2020 7:32 pm

I am quite surprised kit, at your claim that 90% of Americans believe that climate change is caused by rising CO2 levels. What surprises me is that Donald Trump certainly didn’t successfully run for Presidency on a climate change platform. So I’m thinking that your figure of 90% just doesn’t add up.

I’d love you to send me your supporting reference material, I quite enjoy research.

Reply to  kit
January 6, 2020 12:43 am

In socialist dictatorship everything is 90-99.9%.

January 4, 2020 6:31 am

Man fined $100K for clearing land around his house that became only brush fire survivor.

Liam Sheahan cleared trees and shrubs within 100 metres of his home in the hills at Strath Creek, central Victoria, in 2002 to create a firebreak in case bushfires ever hit.

While Mr Sheahan thought that was a ‘common sense’ decision, the local council did not, taking him to court where fines and legal costs left him $100,000 out of pocket.

However his decision to clear the land was vindicated on February 9, 2009, when his property was still standing after Black Saturday bushfires devastated the tiny town.

Steve (Paris)
Reply to  icisil
January 4, 2020 7:43 am

He should be refunded.

Reply to  Steve (Paris)
January 4, 2020 8:13 am

Why should he have been fined in the first place?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Scissor
January 4, 2020 6:20 pm

He didn’t have a permit from the local authority to clear his land. He was fined only AUD$50,000 however, it has cost him AUD$100,000 fighting it.

Reply to  Steve (Paris)
January 4, 2020 2:49 pm

And compensated for damage to life and reputation. Then the ‘leaders’ should face manslaughter and criminal damages charges.

Reply to  icisil
January 4, 2020 8:06 am

Fire is part of the Australian bush. The longer you suppress/prevent it the hotter it will burn and it eventually will. But while the rest of the world believes all Australia is burning 99,5 procent of Australia is not.

Glen Michel
Reply to  Robertvd
January 4, 2020 4:07 pm

Less than .5% of the landmass is affected directly by fire. Hyperbole is running at full speed.

January 4, 2020 6:38 am

Yes, ScoMo as Prime Minister Scott Morrison is called, has let a few Genies out of the Bottle as he tours the fire-ravaged regions. More careful commentary is needed.

All the talk of climate change is a hangover from the government of the previous PM Turnbull, who was decidedly much further left than ScoMo and all of the previous Conservative (=Republican) prime ministers. The climate change position within the ScoMo government has not been re-set since Turnbull’s time, and is out of step with the new power balance, and with voters. Its proving a problem, especially when unguarded comments are made.

Peter K
Reply to  DaveR
January 4, 2020 4:50 pm

I think Scott Morrison did a voting deal with Turnbull, during the spill, with a promise to keep the AGW dream warm. This blocked Peter Dutton from the leadership, whom Turnbull despised.

Reply to  Peter K
January 4, 2020 7:19 pm

We really need a leader who isn’t afraid to speak the truth Peter. I believe that Scott Morrison is still too far left, but then when you look at the NSW Premier and many of the state and Federal ministers what hope have we got? There are many heading into Green territory. The next election will be tricky, we may not be voting Greens but that’s what we’re getting. If the party can’t find it’s way back to the center it’s doomed.

Morrison never did really grasp the level of relief that swept across Australia when Turnbull was shown the door, we didn’t want him in the first place. I don’t think that Morrison grasped the fact that the majority of us haven’t fallen for the CC scam and don’t want a bar of wind and solar renewables either.

The Fisher and Shooters Party (for people outside of Australia, yes they are a political party, a country alternative to the National Party) and One Nation are likely to pick up more votes next time around.

Patrick MJD
January 4, 2020 6:48 am

It is crazy! People, spurned on by the media, are directly blaming Shouty, since May 2019, for these fires. Really? Got nothing to do with decades of lost land management opportunities? Nahhhhhhhhh!

Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 4, 2020 4:35 pm

Often it’s the same people who will insist that it’s perfectly OK to rebuild their home and again surround it with fire-prone eucalypt trees.

Reply to  Graeme#4
January 5, 2020 4:28 am

maryvale n healsville as good examples
youd think..theyd really clear the areas and plant less flammable non natives as a fire damper/buffer
did they?
an email doing the rounds here tonight:
entitled where are the greens now?

Thanks to all the Greens that have expanded our National and State parks
Thanks to all the Greens who have reduced controlled burns
Thanks to the Greenies who chained themselves to trees to get media attention.
Thanks to the media for giving them prime time to achieve their goals.
Thanks to the legislation to stop roadside firewood collection
Thanks to the shires who won’t allow trees to be fell on private property
Thanks to the Government for stopping grazing in the High Country
Thanks to the lack of roadside grass cutting bu shires
Thanks to the Greens for brainwashing the next generation.
And then you all have the audacity to blame climate change!
Hope your movement of what you have created take responsibility for the horrific bushfires that are ripping the heart and soul from so many towns and communities in our country…
I have to ask, how many greenies are at the fire front trying to help these communities? How many are chaining themselves to trees? Are out rescuing the wildlife or that special rare plant species?
(Please pass on]
Original post from James Oswald

and from the adelaide “tizer” comment section a response to the warmists
1962 62 people died.
1944 44 homes lost in the Blue Mountains.
1983 6000 homes and buildings lost and 75 people died.
2009 2030 homes and buildings lost and 173 people died.
NO doubt much more at other years to this and shall do some more research.
Trouble now is that as I believe, the greens instigated the stopping of clearing and burn offs for environmental reasons, but their actions have caused more harm to Australian lives, properties, wild life and the environment with their looney policies.
In my opinion anyhow.
majority of commentary is supportive of scomo the adf the responses and NOT impressed with greens n warmist agendas

as for Laura Bloody Tingle
shes a rather UNpopular journo with a less than impressive reputation trying to get herself upfront using this as her stepping stone. and ABC sweetheart

January 4, 2020 6:53 am
Reply to  Latitude
January 4, 2020 10:03 am

Australian Police Say Arsonists & Lightning to Blame For Bushfires, Not Climate Change

Authorities in Australia are working on the premise that arsonists and lightning strikes are to blame for bushfires that have devastated numerous areas of the country, not “climate change” as many global warming alarmists have claimed.

However, according to those tasked with investigating the fires, climate change has nothing to do with it.

January 4, 2020 6:54 am

Police close in on suspected fire arsonists
NSW Police could soon charge more than a dozen suspected arsonists allegedly responsible for deliberately lighting bushfires across the state.

At least 56 people have already been charged or cautioned with 71 bushfire-related offences since August.

There are 16 investigations underway into suspicious fires, amid one of the state’s worst bushfire crises.

January 4, 2020 6:55 am

Three teenage girls have been arrested for arson over 13 grassfires police allege were deliberately lit on the New South Wales mid-north coast.

January 4, 2020 6:56 am

19-year-old volunteer fire fighter in Australia has been charged with arson and accused of lighting seven fires in the Bega Valley area, New South Wales.

Ben Vorlich
January 4, 2020 7:19 am

This appeared on my Twitter feed

Bushfire scientist David Packham warns of huge blaze threat, urges increase in fuel reduction burns
Darren Gray
By Darren Gray
Updated March 12, 2015 — 4.05pmfirst published at 1.50pm

January 4, 2020 7:24 am

The link with a list of bush fire arson reports and arrests is amazing. Not a peep about that in any of the many international media reports about the bush fires.

On a related note a sudden flash fire at the Bagdad International Airport the other night was also linked to catastrophic climate change. No really people, its science.

Reply to  troe
January 4, 2020 9:10 am

“At least 200 fires were burning in Australia as of Friday.”
Arson, mischief and recklessness: 87 per cent of fires are man-made

“There are, on average, 62,000 fires in Australia every year. Only a very small number strike far from populated areas and satellite studies tell us that lightning is responsible for only 13 per cent. Not so the current fires threatening to engulf Queensland and NSW. There were no lightning strikes on most of the days when the fires first started in September. Although there have been since, these fires – joining up to create a new form of mega-fire – are almost all man-made.”

….are almost all man-made……he’s not talking about global warming

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Latitude
January 4, 2020 12:46 pm

As you dive up the highway you often see burned out spots beside the highway. Clearly cigarettes being thrown out the window. At least they get put out quick when on a highway, but the ones that start on a more “country” road won’t get responded to as quickly.

Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 7:30 am

I was amazed that even National Propaganda Radio ( had a story with the head of an organization of volunteer firefighters in NSW, who made the point very effectively that the failure to manage the bush with controlled burns was the main culprit.

Don’t go searching for it on their website though. They put up a different story that sticks to the party line with a different volunteer firefighter.

Ronald Reagan’s greatest failure was in not putting a stake in the heart of public broadcasting.

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 7:48 am

The entirety of the lying CIA Mockingbird media should be shut down and their executives jailed. Then overturn Obama’s policy of legalizing government propaganda. Then rescind the law of news organizations being entertainment. Kill the voice of the globalist deep state.

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 7:51 am

“Ronald Reagan’s greatest failure was in not putting a stake in the heart of public broadcasting.”

He’s not alone as here’s Aunty with patsy setup questions for another climate cult vulture flying about-

John Garrett
Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 9:18 am

Steve Inskeep, one of the hosts of the U.S. National Public Radio’s “Morning Edition” interviewed Mick Holton, president of the Volunteer Fire Fighters Association in Australia.

Inskeep was desperately hoping, leading, prodding and brow-beating Holton in hopes that Holton would blame the bush fires on CAGW.

Holton would have none of it and essentially told Inskeep that he was full of BS and to bugger off. He politely told Inskeep that he didn’t know fu*kall about Oz.

It gave me a good laugh.

Now that it’s winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the media climate propagandists are forced to scour the Southern Hemisphere for scraps to feed the CAGW narrative that they’ve pushed so hard for the last two decades.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John Garrett
January 4, 2020 11:48 am

Thanks John. That’s the one I was looking for.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  John Garrett
January 4, 2020 10:53 pm

Inskeep and the other NPR reporters do try to “lead the witness” to confessions of global warming angst and attribution whenever possible. However — are you sure this is the right clip?

Today, as I was half-listening to news from another room, some reporter in the middle of her interview commented that, due to global warming people are “losing their sense of identity”.

Trying to find this reference after the fact, I Googled “loss of identity global warming” and got 10 million hits… and a quick glance reveals the appaling number and variety of references to climate refugees, indigenous peoples’ insecurity, psychological displacement, loss of faith in God, loss of culture and community heritage — an avalanche of pseudo-science based on “loss of identity” due to global warming.

I understand the tendancy to ask existential questions if you get hit in the gut with terrible catastrophe, but the exploiter who leads any real victim of natural disaster on to such desperate reflections deserves our contempt.

Victims of tornadoes in my part of world are often caught on video explaining to some reporter that they’ve lost everything. I think this kind of devastation is the same the world over, and one can only hope that they can rebuild smarter than they did before the tornado hit – or on higher ground following the flood. Or, better yet, like the Australian guy mentioned above, have the vision to clear the brush before the catastrophe hits even if he has to go against the grain to do so.

Best wishes to anyone losing property in those fires.

January 4, 2020 7:47 am

” climate activists sabotaged fire safety forest management by occupying forests scheduled for controlled burns”
The usual myth-making. The linked report says that some Nowa Nowa residents objected to a controlled burn where they lived. There is no evidence that they are climate activists, even if Mary worries about climate change. There is no evidence that there were even any significant numbers. Mary from Nowa Nowa is mentioned, and also two from Mossiface. Conservationists generally have supported controlled burning.

“local regional radio presenters criticising greens for their disastrous campaigns to prevent controlled burns”
Local regional radio presenters are not always reliable sources of unbiased facts. How about some evidence that these “disastrous campaigns” even happened, let alone whether they actually prevented controlled burning?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 9:11 am

Nick. You make a great point. The article from ABC does not say Mary from Nowa Nowa is an activity. However, Mary is quoted as saying, “I’m more worried about climate change, and the impacts are having.” Clearly Mary has a concern about climate change, and in her own mind and words she thinks there’s a connection between the burns and climate change. Perhaps Mary made a quick unconscious conclusion: dry ground increases the possibility of bushfires, climate change has dried out the ground somehow, therefore climate change is making it easier for fires to happen. Rightly, even if climate change was not a part of her reasoning, she should be concerned that dry land is easily combustable. Wrongly, though, she took action the disrupt the very thing that had the best and most immediately effect on reducing the damage of bushfires: destroying the fuel.

Nick, that kind of reasoning on the surface appears right and ethical but it leads to a close-mindedness that keeps people like Mary from seeing any other possibility, from gathering any additional information, and (worst) from checking their own conclusions.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 9:47 am

Yes, I did find JoNova’s case was very thin when it came up here a day or two ago.

One case of some historic banner waving hardly seemed like a major factor in fire risk. It may be greater, that would not be too surprising with the evangelical “save the trees” mentality, but her single case was pretty unconvincing. You’d think if she was going to publish something she’d at least research a few cases where enviros actually did stop forest clearance happening.

It’s either lazy or disingenuous.

James R Clarke
Reply to  Greg
January 4, 2020 12:34 pm

Nick is quick to point out when someone on WUWT has a weak argument, but he seems to have no problem accepting the cornucopia of weak arguments that comprise the entire AGW narrative.

This article is an excellent example. The idea that climate change is the reason for natural disasters is myth-making that Nick appears to be fine with. He does not chastise such myths as ‘weak arguments’, although they are weaker than JoNova’s. The weakest argument of all, that non-left politicians are to blame for disasters, also gets a pass from Nick, apparently.

The article above attempts to build a new myth off of an old myth. The old myth is that Bush is to blame for how bad Hurricane Katrina was. The old myth is the ridiculous idea that Bush could have made Hurricane Katrina better if he ended his vacation earlier, did something or other in the White House and showed more support for reducing CO2 emissions. Now that is a whopper of a myth that has become accepted as true, do to the repetition of it by the left-wing media over and over again for the last 14 years.

Laura Tingle is trying to create a new myth by suggesting that ScoMo is bad, because he is behaving as badly as Bush behaved in Katrina (the old myth). But this whole idea is just one myth piled on top of another. There are few rational arguments supporting these myths, and the whole of reality dispelling them. That seems to be okay with Nick. But whoa to the other side who has the audacity to try to build a story without reems of supporting data and ironclad rationality!

Politics seems to be one myth competing against another. It is disingenuous for Nick Stokes to ridicule the other side for myth building while he is standing on a mountain of them.

Reply to  James R Clarke
January 4, 2020 1:33 pm

As I recall, the weather computer prediction spaghetti models at first indicated landfall well East of New Orleans along Florida, but then the actual hurricane kept shifting West and by the time it hit the city, they had very little warning (of course those models showing “cones of probability” say that the city was still inside though barely). Then there is also the gross mismanagement of state/federal funds that were, over the previous years, supposed to fix some of the problems with levies and other high water issues. This is what happens when non-attentive voters keep voting in trash politicians.×1024.png

Tom Abbott
Reply to  James R Clarke
January 4, 2020 4:38 pm

Bush had declared New Orleans a disaster area before Katrina even made landfall.

The Leftwing Media distorted everything about Katrina in their efforts to trash Republicans. Standard Operating Procedure for the Leftwing Media. You can’t count on anthing they say to be the truth because they always have a political agenda. Then and now.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 11:49 am

Nick Stokes

Now address the issue of arsonists setting these blazes.

Which is what you should be acknowledging, not discussing some wet greens who objected to controlled burning.

Reply to  HotScot
January 4, 2020 2:32 pm

The big fires this year seem to be mostly lightning-ignited, eg Gospers Mountain, East Gippsland. There are arsonists, but the periods of hugely destructive fires are not caused by unusual levels of arson activity. They are made possible by hot dry winds and a dry forest. Then there will be a profusion of fires and flying embers.

On our Black Saturday, 7 Feb 2009, there was a particularly destructive fire, often called the Kinglake/Murrindindi fire, to note the two origins. It swept through a great swathe of forest, with great destruction in two towns, Kinglake and Marysville. There were two starting points – E Kilmore, clearly due to failure of a power line in the very strong wind, and one at Murrindindi Mill, of murkier origin. They joined up prior to sweeping through Kinglake.

Arson was suspected at Murrindindi – Wiki says:
“Investigators initially believed that the cause of the fire that originated near the Murrundindi Mill and swept through Narbethong and Marysville was arson, with several suspects investigated.[59] On 1 April 2009, Victoria Police reaffirmed their view that the cause was arson.[60] However, in June 2011, Victoria Police announced that they now believed the cause of the fire was not arson.[61]”

But the main point is that the destruction would have been almost as great if the E Kilmore fire had swept through without joining up with the Murrindindi blaze. It only takes one cause.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 2:35 pm

Kinglake/Murrindindi fire – Kilmore/M…

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 5, 2020 3:52 am

Despite all the evidence produced on this single thread relative to arsonist’s, limited lighting strikes, and neglected fuel loads you adhere to the, frankly, loony line that somehow these bush fires are the fault of a warming climate?

“They are made possible by hot dry winds and a dry forest.”

How much hotter are the winds this year than in previous years? And what is the precise influence of even a degree or two more on a fire’s ignition? These are all unquantifiable other than in daft, controlled lab experiments and wild computer models.

Face it mate, you are so wildly wrong on this it’s too funny for words.

Reply to  HotScot
January 5, 2020 4:42 am

our usual monsoon season was late due to the IOD going awol on us
its now returning and have a look at thw west coast cyclone just coming ashore in WA and generating good cloud n some rains right across Aus from west to inland and eastcoast

the weird polar vortex earlier did appear to have an effect on pushing winds across the middle of Aus for some weeks deflecting moist currents we may have had…maybe?

that said in 2014 my town temp was 45.5 and not one word of spin was heard re agw doing it media wise
we just had a fairly hot couple of weeks in summer
this yr same day/week the temp was 38.8 and the media was going ape about co2 dunnit.
friday was the 38c day by 10pm it dropped to 16 or so and sat n sunday both under 20c and chilly, it might get to 38 one day next week they reckon, the temps are al l over the place like a witch in a fit;-))

Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 4, 2020 1:05 pm

Eric, at least half the population is worried about climate change. That does not make them climate activists.

In fact, they did make a written statement (their signs). They were mainly worried about the fate of animals in the prospective burn. There are plenty of reasons why some local residents might grumble about prescribed burning.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 1:47 pm

Gee I wonder if any animals have been harmed by the uncontrolled burns? Nah!

Whaddaya think, Nick?

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 2:32 pm

I wasn’t holding the sign.

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 2:56 pm

Saw a story that animals were sheltering under power lines, where the power Co. had been fined for the clearance.

Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
January 4, 2020 3:10 pm

This is the article you were referring to Chaswarnertoo. Worth reading.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 4:35 pm

Ah, so you agree that anyone opposing prescribed burns was completely misguided, whether their concern was animal welfare or CO2 emissions, right?

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 6:58 pm

“so you agree that anyone opposing prescribed burns was completely misguided”
I think that prescribed burning is, on balance, a sensible policy, though it has its dangers. It should be done. But I wouldn’t want to be living in the area while it was happening, as these people are. I think I’d take a holiday in Hawaii.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 7:26 pm

Backburning fires aren’t intense like these current uncontrolled fires Nick. There isn’t nearly as much smoke and they generally don’t last more than a day or two. Notices are posted to alert communities so asthma sufferers and such can plan accordingly.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 2:53 pm

Only ‘cos they’re gretins, being misled by people like you.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 4:40 pm

The same people that insist on surrounding their houses with fire-prone trees, yet when their houses burn down, then say it’s somebody else’s fault, or it’s the fault of climate change?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 5, 2020 4:47 am

small areas with good ground crew support pretty much ensure that NO or very few native anything gets hurt in controlled burns done in late autumn after rains or early winter/spring.
the crews and vehicles alone tend to make the animals decide to absent themselves pronto.

and the Kangaroo island fires killing a supposed 25k koalas that had OVERbred due to the damned bluegum plantations have been culled back to a sustainable population the hard way
if they lost 8k on the mainland? guesstimated as usual
then a few of the KI ones should be moved when regrowth allows it.
they dont have chlamyia so it would be a good thing.
the vic n nsw colonies were pretty seedy anyway

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 4, 2020 5:52 pm

Nick you make a foolish point.

It doesn’t matter of Mary “kill baby birds alive” from Nowa Nowa was an active ‘Climate Activist’ or the head of ‘Big Fossil Fuel’. The point is that Mary actively objected (without being an activist) to the controlled burn and that the ABC decided that two people waving grammatically dodgy hand made signs was worthy of news.

The ABC published this because the ABC believed that raising awareness to environmental issues was important.

Now – and pay attention here as this is the important bit – we have a situation where public opinion is starting to strongly swing towards the theory that ‘Greenies Cause Bushfires’. Since their little social awareness piece about Mary and friend protesting against fuel reduction burns now flies in the face of what the increasingly angry general public currently believe.

So the ABC then attempted to destroy all evidence that they ever encouraged protests against fire management.

That’s the point.

Attempt to hide the past if you wish, but the brutal fact remains – Green Policies Cause Bushfires

Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 6, 2020 12:50 am

Bushfire scientist David Packham warns of huge blaze threat, urges increase in fuel reduction burns
By Darren Gray
Updated March 12, 2015

Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of “misguided green ideology”, vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria’s “failed fire management policy” is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state’s Inspector-General for Emergency Management.

January 4, 2020 7:49 am

“Shortly, The Public Will Be Unable To Reason Or Think For Themselves. They’ll Only Be Able To Parrot The Information They’ve Been Given On The Previous Night’s News.” ― Zbigniew Brzezinski

January 4, 2020 8:04 am

Hurricane Katrina was never Bush’s “Katrina moment”.
The failure after Katrina was 100% the fault of the state and local authorities.

Reply to  MarkW
January 4, 2020 11:56 am

just what I was going to write.Thanks.

James R Clarke
Reply to  MarkW
January 4, 2020 1:35 pm

Yes. That is just one of the myth building projects on Nick’s side, which is comprised almost entirely of myth-building arguments. Nick apparently likes to throw stones in his glass mansion.

kim carsons
Reply to  MarkW
January 11, 2020 4:42 am

January 4, 2020 8:17 am

Air quality in the bushfires zone is now like in China all year round but in a much larger area (in China). Greta did not go there or even mention it.

January 4, 2020 8:26 am

“>>> A few days ago I heard local regional radio presenters criticising greens for their disastrous campaigns to prevent controlled burns. <<<"

They, the Greens, may well be involved in setting the fires too. There have been known cases in the US of environmentalists being caught doing just that [1]. In a 2018 article National Geographic stated that over 95% of California fires were caused by humans [2]. More recently PG&E's antiquated and poorly maintained energy transmission equipment was blamed for causing 1,500 fires in just 6 years [3].

I'd be rather surprised if the situation was any different in Australia.

[1] "Radical environmentalist pleads guilty to arson in Western fires," NBC News, Oct. 10, 2013
[2] "Humans Cause Over 95 Percent of California Wildfires," National Geographic, August 10, 2018
[3] "Over 1,500 California fires in the past 6 years — including the deadliest ever — were caused by one company: PG&E. Here's what it could have done but didn't," Business Insider, Nov. 3, 2019

January 4, 2020 8:30 am

It’s not as if ABC didn’t actively encourage people to set fires for leftist causes…

January 4, 2020 9:08 am

so even if CO2 was driving more intense fires – er, excuse me, but doesn’t carbon dioxide tend to SMOTHER fire??? Or was that just in high school chemistry classes?

Reply to  Ex-PH2
January 4, 2020 9:38 am

Not at 400ppm, come on, you are stretching it a bit too far.

Reply to  StephanF
January 4, 2020 11:27 am

Only at 400.9 will it smother fire…everyone knows that and 4 out 5 dentists agree.

Reply to  Ex-PH2
January 4, 2020 9:45 am

CO2 extinguishes fires by dilution of oxygen. It would take more than two orders of magnitude higher concentration to suppress forest fires.

January 4, 2020 9:23 am

It seems that the greens who prevented controlled burning in forests, presumably to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, have only succeeded in causing considerably more CO2 release than the contolled burning would have done. Ahhhhh, the Law of Unintended Consequences! It’s operation is the third certainty in life (after death and taxes).

January 4, 2020 9:24 am

Gus January 4, 2020 at 8:26 am
They, the Greens, may well be involved in setting the fires too.
I have heard that fires MAY have been lighted by right wing politicians using SUVs dragging flaming branches.

come on! anyone can say what they like but you do need evidence for this sort of tripe, don’t you?

It is interesting how the fires seem to spread across grass land. Should the government be setting fire to the whole of the continent in controlled burns?

Ron Long
January 4, 2020 9:31 am

Brushfires in Australia and Hurricane Katrina? In the case of Katrina elect Ray Nagin, a clueless, corrupt (he was sentenced to 10 years in prison for corruption afterwards), cowardly, incompetent Obama-wannabe, and then have a Hurricane hit and make serious bad decisions about how to react, then blame President Bush, who phoned all Governors and asked what the Federal Government could do to help immediatly? Fast-forward to Australia where they repeated the process. The Greens (liberals, socialists, communists, progressives, democrats, whatever) are not logical people given to honoring facts, they value feelings above all else. I feel like this is hopeless and it’s a fact I’m going to have a drink.

kim carsons
Reply to  Ron Long
January 11, 2020 4:44 am

January 4, 2020 9:34 am

Aborigines lived there happily for millennia. If nouveau-Australians can not adapt to the climate of their adopted home perhaps they should consider going back to the areas to which they are genetically more suited. Every time I moan about damp English weather I’m told plain and simple “go back where you came from”. Adapt or perish is a cruel but fundamental law of nature.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Vuk
January 4, 2020 2:03 pm

Come now, Vuk, surely you understand that there has never been a warmer or drier period in Australia in the past 50,000 years?

Reply to  Rich Davis
January 4, 2020 4:44 pm

Absolute rubbish Rich. There have been many warmer and drier periods on Australia in the last 150 years – there are lots of newspaper reports that confirm this.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Graeme#4
January 4, 2020 5:58 pm

That was sarcasm, #4. Of course there have been.

Reply to  Vuk
January 5, 2020 4:56 am

a few thousand aboriginals who lived in rock caves near rivers coastlines or inland who also used fire to burnoff forested areas to gain grassland where it was easier to see and hunt roos etc
and who also would have had fires get away and go out of control prob harming a few of them and native species.
most rural people are pretty well adapted and have survival skills for fire flood and the rest we cop here.
the Unadapted city fol who rely on aircon home car workplaces and nannystate care ARE a problem
theyre about the same as every other nations illadapted city folk with no bloody idea of coping in a crisis be it flood fire or famine.

some moron on the radio today(abc of course) was saying the aboriginals survived the iceage in Aus
best laugh Ive had in weeks!!!!!

January 4, 2020 12:42 pm

What left wing nonsense from the ABC you quoted Eric!

January 4, 2020 1:02 pm

Ironically I think the biggest hurdle that has dictated Morrison’s response to the fires is his desire to announce a budget surplus when the annual accounts come through in May. Not just with the fires but also with the drought their has been a reluctance to put real money into the solution. In both instances he should’ve said , stuff the budget , this government will spend whatever it takes to get people’s lives back on track. Any money spent will have a multiplier effect in getting our sluggish economy going anyway. When it comes to the bushfires and the drought only the hardcore loonies really want more action on climate change , everyone else wants the government to fix it , and that means sufficient aid and water for farmers and fire victims and money spent on infrastructure ,dams and fire management solutions for the future. By engaging in any discussion as to whether we can really change the climate takes the focus away from what people really want which is immediate financial solutions. If it blows a hole in the budget no one could care less. And to be fair to Morrison he is being hounded by a msm press which is obsessed with climate change alarmism and sees the fires as an opportunity to push their more extreme agenda.

James R Clarke
Reply to  Zigmaster
January 4, 2020 1:59 pm

Real, effective solutions will not bust the budget, but there is a large and well organized effort to prohibit real solutions in favor of controlling the climate; an endeavour that will bust the budget several times over, with no hope of success or benefits.

This is a direct result of the power of myths.

January 4, 2020 1:30 pm

The Greenies in Australia are pushing hard on the Climate Change Meme to draw the attention of the public away from their actions which have reduced hazard reduction burns and hazard clearing over the past years. The ABC recently disappeared Sites and comments it carried in support for the Green campaign against hazard reduction. It is not working. The average bushfire victim knows the truth of the matter from long experience of past bushfires.
Green campaigns to prevent controlled burns have all proved to be major disasters.

January 4, 2020 1:37 pm

It’s time in Australia to launch Class Action against the Greens in Councils and Parliaments, Australian Conservation Foundation, and Environmental groups, including Steve (06.08) for the damages done and lives lost.
It is on their heads entirely

January 4, 2020 2:40 pm

Zigmaster, Scott Morrison pledged one billion dollars to Renewable Energy October 2019!

Exactly what is it the greens and leftists want?

Morrison offered to send in the defense forces to assist the NSW bushfire effort, the premier declined the offer. Morrison had been respectful of the premier’s decision to handle the situation as it’s State responsibility to make decisions. That is until now, he has decided to intervene and is mobilising defence personnel to assist.

What do they want?

It’s been established that the majority of these fires have been either deliberately lit or caused by negligence, NOT CAUSED BY CLIMATE CHANGE! Sorry to shout but sometimes you just need to vent.

These fires are devastating, no one will argue that point. But we have had many devastating fires in the past, the difference now is that there are more people to be affected. More people spread over a larger area. I believe that it’s only due to the courage and diligence of our firefighters that the death toll isn’t much higher.

Referring back to the comment made by Observa, January 4 7.43 am, and the historical photos and data back to the 1800’s. Says it all really.

January 4, 2020 3:30 pm

Dare I suggest that its possible that the INSTANT start of so many bushfires is caused
by GREENs who are working for their “”Cause””,


Andre Lewis
January 4, 2020 4:52 pm

The MSM are being very political over the latest bushfires and using the wall to wall coverage to pile onto the PM even though he is the federal government leader and environmental management of parks where the fires are out of control, and the emergency response is a state government responsibility.
These fires are not weather but a result of poor management of forests over 20 plus years so when something or, more usually, someone starts a fire it rapidly gets out of control because of the massive build up of fuel.
The real nonsense from the green zealots is blaming a two or three degree ambient temperature above normal summer temperatures for fires which burn at hundreds of degrees at the fire front creating micro climatic conditions around them such as searing winds. To hear the fools on tv warning about hot days when of itself this will not ever cause a tree to spontaneously combust is nauseating.

Craig from Oz
January 4, 2020 5:36 pm


Are you unironically quoting from Laura Tingle?

This is the same Tingle who believes the correct way to offer balanced debate is to use her check marked Twit account to instruct opponents to, “Go (cough) yourself”.

Tingle has proven herself to be as professional in balanced debate as a drunken pub brawl.

Bill Parsons
January 4, 2020 10:56 pm

Totally off topic:

The Australian PM is a ringer for Chris Hill, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq.

Sort of uncanny.

Patrick MJD
January 4, 2020 11:30 pm

He’s called for changes to the laws that govern hazard clearing and that has not been received well. Can’t win! Two issues; People being allowed to build in high fire risk areas and these people actively banned from clearing fire hazards from their land. It can be done without massive burn offs. This disaster has been growing since the 1980’s.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 5, 2020 5:05 am

I have block adjoining my land , 7 acres, full of trees dead branches and 6ft+ grass
owned by a melbouneite who got it cheap to try n double his money(no fools buying)
Im on the town boundary
I get clear your grass to 10cm max notices with threats of fines or council cutting with fees imposed
yet this chap? for 7 yrs? nothing done!
if it went up my land , and a row of homes across are at serious risk

4 Eyes
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 5, 2020 7:29 pm

The council should have the block cleared and then add the cost and a fine to the rates notice, and repeat etc until he pays. Raise the issue with your state MP and don’t accept weasel word replies.

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