Guest fake American Indian bashing by David Middleton
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Fauxcahontas is truly a “stupid and futile gesture”…
A climate denier-in-chief sits in the White House today. But not for long
The next president must rejoin the Paris agreement and show the world that the United States is ready to lead on the international stage again
President Trump has now fulfilled his disastrous promise to pull the United States out of the Paris Climate Agreement. The agreement represents decades of work by both Democratic and Republican administrations to achieve a common goal: bringing every country of the world together to tackle the climate crisis, the existential threat of our time.
President Trump surprised no one with his decision to withdraw from the agreement. It is yet another reckless choice in line with his steps to rollback our bedrock environmental laws, which have cleaned up our water and our air for decades. But that doesn’t minimize the gravity of his latest move. Trump is not only ceding American leadership at a critical juncture in the fight against climate change, he’s also giving away American jobs in the clean energy economy of the future – walking away from the greatest economic opportunity of our time.
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But instead of acting to protect American lives and creating good paying jobs, we have let Big Oil set our climate policy in Washington. These companies spent three decades deceiving the public about the climate crisis, spreading lies and misinformation through their lobbyists. With Donald Trump in the White House, they now have a climate denier in chief.
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My Green Manufacturing Plan will jumpstart clean energy development right here in the United States by investing $2tn to grow clean energy at home and abroad, while creating millions of new, good paying, union jobs. And my Green Marshall Plan would directly assist countries abroad to buy American-made clean energy products, further expanding markets for green manufacturing.
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The world is facing one of the biggest threats we have ever encountered. But Americans do not walk away from a fight. We lead. In November 2020, it won’t just be Donald Trump on the ballot but also the chance to renew America’s climate leadership for a safer, cleaner, more secure and more prosperous future.
The Grauniad
Notes to Liawatha
There are very few electoral votes in the UK
Writing an OpEd in the Grauniad is as dumb as Puto (Beto) campaigning in Mexico.
The Paris Agreement will have no affect on the weather
The energy industry isn’t a jobs program
Why do journalists, environmentalists and liberals (redundant, I know) confuse energy production with jobs programs? The only way an economy can successfully grow in a healthy, robust manner is through increasing productivity.
What is ‘Productivity’
Productivity is an economic measure of output per unit of input. Inputs include labor and capital, while output is typically measured in revenues and other gross domestic product (GDP) components such as business inventories. Productivity measures may be examined collectively (across the whole economy) or viewed industry by industry to examine trends in labor growth, wage levels and technological improvement.BREAKING DOWN ‘Productivity’
Investopedia
Productivity gains are vital to the economy, as they mean that more is being accomplished with less. Capital and labor are both scarce resources, so maximizing their impact is a core concern of modern business. Productivity enhancements come from technology advances, such as computers and the internet, supply chain and logistics improvements, and increased skill levels within the workforce.
That said, the oil & gas industry employs far more Americans than wind & solar power do:
The natural gas industry employs 625,369 Americans.
• Utilities employed 176,167.
• Mining and extraction employed 162,928.
• Construction employed 113,339.
The coal industry employs 197,418 Americans.
• Mining and extraction employed 55,905.
• Utilities employed 45,795.
• Wholesale trade employed 43,327.
The petroleum industry employs 799,531 Americans.
• Mining and extraction employs 308,681.
• Wholesale trade and distribution employs 170,945.
• Manufacturing employs 155,267.
The nuclear industry employs 72,146 Americans.
• Utilities employ 46,809.
• Professional services employ 14,374.
• Manufacturing employ 4,913.
2019 U.S. Energy and Employment Report
• Solar energy firms employed 242,000 employees who spent the majority of their time on solar.[3] An additional 93,000 employees spent less than half their time on solar-related work. The number of employees who spend the majority of their time on solar declined by 3.2 percent or more than 8,000 jobs in 2018.
• There were an additional 111,000 workers employed at wind energy firms across the nation in 2018, an increase of 3.5 percent or 3,700 jobs.
2019 U.S. Energy and Employment Report
The Energy and Employment Report lists “mining and extraction” for oil and gas as two separate groups. This doesn’t make sense because oil & gas are explored for, drilled and produced by the same people. The “mining and extraction” employees are probably redundant.
Regarding productivity, there is no comparison between “renewables” and real energy:
Energy production is from the 2019 BP Statistical Review of World Energy. I did not include the natural gas “mining and extraction” employees because I think they are also counted among petroleum employees. If I count them, oil & gas productivity drops to 1,583 TOE/job.
“In November 2020, it won’t just be Donald Trump on the ballot but also the chance to renew America’s climate leadership for a safer, cleaner, more secure and more prosperous future.”
Anyone with at least two functioning brain cells knows that a vote for your treasonous energy schemes would be a vote against “a safer, cleaner, more secure and more prosperous future.”
FM website, perfect fit: https://fabiusmaximus.com/2019/11/08/see-the-lefts-thinking/
And it’s all driven by arithmophobia.
Can’t argue with good numbers. Her BS would put me under. For what?
One graphic says it all:
Who actually paid in to the Paris Green Climate fund?
NASA Data Proves Trump Right to Exit Paris Climate Accord
https://www.prisonplanet.com/nasa-data-proves-trump-right-to-exit-paris-climate-accord.html
Thank you for giving us the link. Even our acquaintances scared of global warming pause and listen when presented with this NASA info. I usually preface it by “Wondering what do Martians drive to cause their ice caps to melt ?”
Please lets share this link widely in our emails. It can actually have a great positive impact.
That’s because maths are racist.
She would lead us to prosperity – sorry, a typo, to austerity.
Dispairity?
she would lead us to prosperity poverty
A socialist worker’s paradise, in the footsteps of the legendary Hugo C
Ben Franklin, “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”
People voting themselves money: that’s socialism; that’s Elizabeth Warren; that’s Bernie Sanders; that’s AOC and that’s, I’m sorry to say, virtually the entire leadership of the Democratic Party, and pretty much a majority of their voters.
They have lost sight of the meaning of the United States and are ignorant of civics and of history.
Ignorant feel-good-ism just doesn’t cut it as a political platform
And by the way, Epstein didn’t kill himself, either.
I assume you have proof?
LOL!!
Joel, be very careful what you say
or
Hillary will suicide yourself!!
She already has a condolence letter written for the accident you “might” have.
And of course you know about said letter because it was stored on her private e-mail server right next to all the classified documents that shouldn’t have been there. But hey no ‘reasonable prosecutor’ (IE those on the receiving end of Clinton cash) would bring charges against her, so it’s all good.
Well done !!
I call it the Green Door program.
1) Pass a law that every house has to have its front door painted green.
2) This will create loads of work and jobs for decoarators and paint factories
3) They will spend this money in the wider economy, thus boosting GDP
Can anyone spot the problem?
The windows aren’t broken?
Can anyone spot the problem ? I think Frederic Bastiat knew the answer.
http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html
Who pays for it and what would they have spent the cash on if they didn’t have to spend it on their front doors?
Bingo! We have a winner.
The false assumption in the broken window falacy is that the money would not be spent. It would but on other stuff that the owner thought more important. You know little things like food, shelter, health care, getting out of debt, education for the kids, beer 🙂
But it is always better if we have a buerocracy telling us what to spend on because they know so much better than we do what we need/want.
It is not nearly as dumb as, “And my Green Marshall Plan would directly assist countries abroad to buy American-made clean energy products, further expanding markets for green manufacturing. ”
Can anyone spot the problem there?
As in the UK and Europe (and no doubt elsewhere in the western world), the energy costs will be so high in the US that manufacturing and jobs will be “offshored” by US firms to places like the Far East where energy costs will be much cheaper, or will simply be carried out by firms domiciled there. Furthermore, the much higher energy prices will reduce consumers’ spare cash – that would otherwise be spent within the US economy – significantly. So the effect on the US economy as a whole will be negative, possibly strongly so.
Simple answer: We give them our money so they buy our product.
True-er answer: We give them our money in the hope that they buy our product.
Correct answer: We give them our money and the dictator in charges takes it.
The dictator then buys a French-made Falcon jet and a new Mercedes or Rolls Royce limo, each with massive fossil fuel needs. Then he buys the oil from Iran to make the kerosene fuels they burn.
We borrow money from Red China to give it to Third World Schist Hole Dictators, so that they can by ChiCom products.
Joel O’Bryan – November 8, 2019 at 11:02 am
I “spotted” it before you asked, I think, to wit:
Elizabeth Warren’s ….. “Horn of Plenty”, …… to wit:
Mandating “high taxes” be paid by the expanding US “green energy” markets which said tax money will be given to …… “directly assist countries abroad to buy American-made clean energy products” which will further expand the US market.
The invisible hand will push it in or sell green flood lights for the front entryway.
All our exterior doors are already green, How do we get to help us on the road to prosperity?
Paint them green again, obviously. 🙂
If prosperity is what you seek, enlightened self-interest would suggest that you forfeit your moral integrity and get into the green paint business.
I don’t see that happening.
“Retired_Engineer_Jim November 8, 2019 at 1:10 pm
All our exterior doors are already green, How do we get to help us on the road to prosperity?”
On the roads? Ever thought of cladding rural pick up trucks with roof tiles on the weather side?
They must also prohibit the import of green paint, paint brushes, ladders and other painter’s tools and equipment. The economy will thrive, believe me. Or not.
Decoarators (politicians?) won’t actually have anything to do, since there are no choices to be made?
Green is not a primary colour, so there’s no such thing as ‘pure green’. Some would simply find their own mix of blue and yellow that would make the door appear ‘green’ without their buying any green paint?
Colour only exists in human perception, so there’s no such thing as a “green’ door, only a door that appears green to most people?
Green absorbs a lot of red, and it would keep trying to change the green into red.
People would complain about the high cost of green even if it cost more or less the same as any other colour of front door and they had a century to switch.
The makers of non green doors would wand a pigment tax and trading scheme that wouldn’t require any actual repainting of any doors.
I can’t just find just one problem. You could probably do a whole blog on it.
You’ve got to live in academia a long time to get this stupid.
Nature or nurture? Life is too short. She was born [pruned].
Not only crooked ( no repayment ) stupid too. You can’t fix stupid.
Or spend your entire career in politics (Biden, Bernie…)
Blindness vs. Stupidity:
The foolishness of the left is mostly blindness, a kind of dishonest relationship with reality, and not stupidity, in the sense of general inability to learn or solve puzzles. Stupid people are slow, but eventually learn. People blind to reality are pathologic. They will not learn, because they look away from reality.
The blindness has to do with:
1. They tend to be hate-filled, envious unhappy individuals, often greedy, dishonest and abusive in their personal lives.
2. They cannot look at themselves with their unbearable guilts that accumulate in their lives. They do not want to see their own natural, if exaggerated, greeds and envies…..so they look away. They are then blind, not stupid.
3. The guilt is there, threatening at the edge of their awareness. They are anxious about it, but cannot look at it straight in the eye. Often they are cowards, especially in front of a mirror.
4. They need confirmation somehow that actually they are virtuous….that the guilt that lurks around them is not really right.
5. So they engage in conspicuous virtue. “See what a good person I am”. They are phonies.
6. As a corollary to their sense of guilt and envy of happier people, leftist often hate and tear down people of ordinary qualities. (I believe ordinary people, on balance, tend to be nice, mostly honest day to day, compassionate without need to virtue signal, generous to those in need, attracted to winners, distance themselves from losers, and in general live positive lives, even if poor or modest in lifestyle.)
7. The realm of politics, wherein you can virtue signal by spending other people’s money, is perfect for envious, angry, hate-filled leftists.
8. Elizabeth Warren. Phony virtue, phony heritage, embracing phony climate science.
Indeed, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Bingo ! Just like those who have high paying jobs, without bearing to weight of having their own money invested in their own business, she is not fit to lead a nation.
Thanks for this, Mr. Middleton. Your tone is more than deserved. I am beginning to believe it is necessary. Our fellow citizens of the world are being brainwashed and and those who are not, are being mercilessly attacked by the Ms. Warren’s of the world.
We need a Winston Churchill attitude because the enemies of Western Civilization and enlightenment are using the Trojan Horse of s climate crisis Otto destroy is.
And what is this leadership bunk? Who wants to be the first lemming off the cliff?
And what is this leadership bunk? Who wants to be the first lemming off the cliff?
And what is this leadership bunk? Who wants to be the first lemming off the cliff?
If they really want to employ people and generate energy just get them running on treadmills linked to generators. Obesity problem solved as well.
And they’ll get healthier too!
This energy solution was featured in the classic 1973 movie “Soylent Green”.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/soylent_green
Unh. Locohontas heap crazy, speak with forked tongue. But wind farms provide work for people, running around to pick up the dead birds. No other form of energy can make that statement!
Umm, Little Sun Hunter Cooker provides dinner ready birds, as they fall into the Eco-gather’s hands.
No Energy as great as the Little Sun Hunter Cooker, it makes flying sky knives dull. Why work picking up chopped feathers when Little Sun provides flame cooked dinner at your feet for free?
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-solar-plant-accidentally-incinerates-up-to-6-000-birds-a-year
I had to look up the word, “Puto.”
Thanks for the laugh. 🙂 Your posts are always very informative and enlightening.
My wife came up with that one… She’s from Mexico and fluent in Spanish cussing.
Good thing she’s not from the Philippines, it would just be a steamed rice cake. Then again, that description kind of fits Beto, too!
Yes, “Beto”= white rice.
And slightly fermented as well.
How about Spanish “Bobo” = loony
Isn’t it supposed to be Pato Puto ?
😉
Not only is the climate effect of Paris tiny, it’s insignificant effect assumes the wildly inflated ECS along with the rest of the bogus pseudo-science presumed by the IPCC. Apply some real science and the climate effect of Paris is further reduced to become even less than insignificant.
You could take the number of employees per type of energy source, and the energy produced by that energy source, and calculate units of power created per employee.
This would show how we are wasting time with the solar employees relative to those in oil and gas.
Exactly.
One of my pet peeves is blowhards arguing that green energy initiatives put more people to work, per unit of energy, than other types of energy. They say it like it is a good thing, and I know some people hear it that way, but their claim is equivalent to arguing that green energy production is horribly inefficient.
Bingo. I forget which economist was visiting China. China at the time was building roads using man power with shovels. A China official said look how many people we employ. The economist responded with if your objective is to employ people take away their shovels, hire more people and give them spoons.
That’s what I did.
Solar productivity is analogous to digging a ditch with a shovel while the back-up diesel engine-driven backhoe sits idle right beside it in case the shovel operator gets tired and goes on break. When the shovel operator has to go eat lunch, then the backhoe operator finishes the 6 hour ditch job in 15 minutes. And even if you don’t use the backhoe, you still have to pay for the operator and the capital costs to sit there idle in case the shovel operator tires or his shovel breaks on a rock.
Milton Friedman replying to the government bureaucrat of one Asian country who told him the reason why there were workers with shovels instead of modern tractors and earth movers at a worksite of a new canal: ‘You don’t understand. This is a jobs program’ :
‘Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it’s jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels’.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/770818-oh-i-thought-you-were-trying-to-build-a-canal
Gotta love Milton Friedman…
So is the perfect Green plan one where the entire population is employed generating enough power to continuously replace the power generation system?
I fear the answer is “Yes”.
My preferred metric is the number of children per one orange. Leaders are probably Russia and China.
That is what David did in the right most column of the table, TOE/Job.
This shows that nuclear is best and solar is worst.
In general you can say that the more energy dens the power source is, the cheaper the conversion is. In theory nuclear ought to give a considerately higher TOE/Job, but nuclear is complex and is burdened with a lot of security measures. This could eventually change with newer natural stable reactor, that do not depend on huge water flow for primary cooling. I am here thinking of MSR and it’s like.
She is an automaton. devoid of any ability to reason.
Educators should be required to deliver a curriculum that includes the hard lessons societies have learned under the heading “Hope Over Experience”.
Prominent in these lessons would be –
“The Fallacy Of Grid Scale Delivery Of Electricity Generated Solely From Wind & Solar Installations”
If civilization is to “progress”, it can’t keep repeating patently failing “solutions”. This is a no-brainer.
Mr. – November 8, 2019 at 11:08 am
After graduation, …… all Education Majors/Minors should be required to “work two (2) years employment” (apprenticeship) ……. at a “job” requiring their learned “skills” before they are permitted to be a “teacher” of said skills.
Somebody has to stick these dreamers with cold hard reality. If they want net zero CO2 by 2050, they have to start building a nuclear power plant every day until then. link All this crap about renewables is just wasting time.
Why aren’t the politicians forced to deal with the actual arithmetic of the situation?
commieBob – November 8, 2019 at 11:11 am
Well now, the short answer is, ……. its like the Jerry Clower song states, ….. “Momma don’t want you messing with the deal she’s got!””
“The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.” Thomas Sowell
Because they weren’t taught it in school, or forgot it.
Come on guys, there is only one Human Race, different from all animals, us.
Even Neanderthals, to the great horror of Oxford paleontologist narrators, were just like Homo Sapiens.
And as far as Amerinds go , we know the Phoenicians already claimed Maine.
Look up Algonquin, cherokee or Takhelne research.
The entire Oxford “autochtonous” native British Imperial narrative is junk science, a classic British Imperial racist lurch, divide and conquer with a sciency polish.
And after all how do you know who jumped over the garden wall 2 generations ago?
See Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales.
This Candidate does support Glass-Steagall, causing uproar in London, has been infected, though, with GND brainwashing, from the same elites that brainwashed all with “autochtonous” “human races”.
I would hope WUWT hopefuls would be more resistant to such British Tavistock brain-washing, than Dems?
Conrad Black refers to:
My peace loving ancestors were driven out of what is now Germany by the French some time around 1700. Does that mean I have the right to claim a couple of acres of German soil at the expense of the French government?
”Different from all animals”
Nah, we’re just less hairy Apes, with brains a bit bigger. However its probably the case that the lower apes do as Nikita Khrushchev famously suggested, and dont schist were they eat ? Clearly any adoption of The Green new Deal would have the effect of doing just that 🙂
I am sure that way back in the Paleo, when a bright young spark runs into the cave holding a burning stick and proclaims loudly he stole fire, hair somewhat singed, was immediately attacked, even stoned. After all the roots and nuts dinner was already laid out!
From that moment, though, nothing was ever again the same.
The nostalgia for that cave seems to be a Jungian Archetype.
Bonbon
“…Even Neanderthals, to the great horror of Oxford paleontologist narrators, were just like Homo Sapiens….”
With all due respect to Oxford guys in ivory towers, the rest of us have noticed that even though Homo sapiens and Neanderthals lived side by side for thousands of years, Neanderthals went extinct. Probably means there’s a difference the Oxford guys overlooked.
NAH, …. the Neanderthals didn’t go extinct …. they were bred into extinction via interracial marriages they were forced to comply with by groups of lefty liberal “do-gooder’ H. sapiens.
Thus the purebred Neanderthals slowly disappeared from the fossil record ….. and the bi-racial offspring became the dominant H. sapien species.
Cheers, ….. Eritas Rabuf
I see what you did there. 🙂
Fubar Cogar!
bonbon – November 8, 2019 at 11:12 am
If they were just like Homo sapiens then they would NOT be categorized as Homo neanderthalensis.
And there is not much to “look up” about the Cherokee ……. because there is nothing to know/learn about their origin. Even their DNA has not provided any clues as to where they originated from.
Even their DNA has not provided any clues as to where they originated from.
seeing as we don’t know, I’m not saying they must be Aliens, but they must be aliens! 😉 (without apologies to Giorgio A. Tsoukalos).
I don’t think we’ll have to worry about Elizabeth Warren’s primary run much longer. Her wealth tax scheme has scared off the rich from supporting here. I saw one story saying Bezos would pay billions in taxes under her plan and another where Bill Gates said in a hypothetical matchup between Warren and Trump he couldn’t vote for Warren. She’s biting the hand that feeds her and that doesn’t bode well for a presidential run where billions will be needed by election night. Billions that come from the rich and big business who will be hurt under her plan.
Really I don’t know which democrat will win the primary. The (few) more reasonable candidates are getting vilified or little press exposure. “Popular” candidates are shooting themselves in the foot with the very people they need to get the nomination with their stated policies. On top of that Bernie’s had a heart attack which makes his run even less likely to succeed (we do like to pretend our candidates will remain in good health over their term). Then there’s Biden, he’s still earning his nickname of “Gaffs Biden” while his son is an anchor around his neck. In truth Biden is to old, to white with his worse sin being to moderate to survive todays democratic party nomination process.
It’s going to be an interesting primary season.
Problem solved.
“Long record of centerist policy making” Where? Certainly not in NYC where he was the mayor who bribed the city council to allow a third and illegal term. Not to mention Big Gulp bans and other insane infringements on personal liberties.
Darrin
I suspect that Warren and the rest of the wannabes will be sidelined by Bloomberg — unfortunately. Bloomberg could be a serious Trump threat with his deep pockets and connections. Second Amendment supporters will be mobilized against him, however.
Bloomberg doesn’t have an identifiable core of support within the Democratic Party. The left belongs to Sanders and Warren. He doesn’t represent any minority group or the working class. Being old, white, and wealthy won’t get you the youth vote.
He might make some inroads with union members, but most of them support Biden. Besides, the Democrats have just about driven the average working man out of the Party.
So at best, I see him pulling some votes away from Biden, but that’s about it.
Darrin – November 8, 2019 at 11:12 am
Darrin, …….. GETTA CLUE, ……. that is exactly why the “troughfeeders”, “couchpotatoes” and Medicaid recipients will flock to the Polls to vote for Warren.
Samuel Cogar: Hillary made sure the primary voters who flocked to Sanders were blocked by Debbie W. Schulz and the super delegates, and any other dirty trick as necessary. I don’t think Bloomberg, or anybody in the field, has Hillary’s, um, throw-weight. And all of ’em put together don’t have Hill’s knack for the “fix”.
You are correct, Paul C.
Hillary’s experience, expertise and influence in/of illegal and criminal activities goes way back to before “Whitewater”. I think Epstein learned from Hillary and Bill, …… reward the rich & powerful with “quid pro quos” and they will protect you out of fear of being outed.
RCP8.5 is not “do nothing” it’s the worst case scenario which breaks all current trend lines for the worst unlikely alternatives.
It’s a fantasy.
The Progressives are totally ignorant of science, mathematics, engineering, and economics. Throw in a warped understanding of history and you’ve got some of the dumbest people on earth telling us how to live.
Gary
And along with that, a defining characteristic of ‘progressives’ is that they don’t approve of how things are and think that they can do a better job, and therefore feel a mandate to make changes. It never crosses their minds that they are truly dumb and that’s why they have come to the conclusion that all existing social mores, institutions, and financial systems are wrong. They are disconnected from reality and don’t realize it.
Progressivism is the vehicle for the Romantic reaction to Enlightenment reason.
Progressives themselves have loudly, publicly, and unashamedly supported every single mass-murdering socialist totalitarian of the 20th century, including Hitler (until he broke with Stalin).
They are opposed to science, to objective knowledge, and to every reasoned value that makes life humane and societies civil. I published on this in, “Progressivism is Hostile to Humanism,” here.
The struggle is mortal.
See Heinrich Heine on the Romantic Movement in his Religion and Philosophy in Germany, around 1834. It takes a poet to precisely pinpoint what “philosophers” miss.
Heine clearly shows from where Romanticism comes, Emmanuel Kant.
And predicted with accuracy what happened 100 years later, writing that the German case will make the then recent French Terror look like a coffee shop.
Kant’s wraith lurches in academic shadows all over the place. No wonder the Uni’s are nests of Romanticism.
They want to do more than just tell everybody else how to live. They want to enforce it.
FACT: The Native American Elitist ConWoman prefers Gulfstream Corporate Jet transportation when travelling from Cambridge, MA to Des Moines Iowa. 4.5 Hr. (flew back empty) at 300 Gallons of Jet A per hour. Hypocrisy is the foundation of Leftism.
Beneath contempt, a would-be parasite of gargantuan proportions.
4.5 hours would be the round trip.
Indeed.
Just so you and the renewable energy advocates know, solar PV in the U.S. will be driven by a further 30 percent drop in costs for utility-scale solar in a drop that wind and labor-intensive rooftop solar cannot match. It will be produced in robotic factories that cut out many jobs in contrast to the job-intensive claims of wrong headed politicos and small biz solar lobbying associations. Even the BOS costs in utility scale are coming down due to the option of using auto loaders on racking. These are facts based on factories and other tech coming online now and in 2020. Misinformation abounds even within the solar industry and of course Washington where getting it wrong is a job requirement.
Do some due diligence on this before commenting. No one else does.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-solar-becomes-largest-pv-130005401.html
https://investor.firstsolar.com/home/default.aspx
Uh, ResourceGuy: Please source your “… 30 percent drop in costs for utility-scale solar …” Your links are simply First Solar propaganda.
First Solar’s cost comparisons are a joke. No allowances for intermittent generation, backup, nor storage.
See Earnings call Q&A with Wall Street analysts.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-fslr-earnings-conference-063200459.html
The build out to accomplish that 30 percent reduction is largely done in 2020 with two new plant in Vietnam, one in Ohio, and a mix of converted and not converted lines in Malaysia. The heavy ramp and startup charges against earnings will also be largely over with in 2020. The cost reduction info is not new so it is only discussed as an update with the analysts here and not announced for the first time. The chart info on the cost reduction is in prior earnings call presentations.
I read that the projected 30% reduction is only in First Solar’s production costs, comparing one quarter’s production cost to another’s. That is not a 30% reduction in the cost of producing power from industrial solar installations.
Do you work for First Solar or a related company?
It is now the largest producer in the western hemisphere. I guess you’ll be among the last to recognize the impact in solar, on wind, on peaker plants, etc. There is no guarantee in life that everyone gets up to speed at the same time.
PS … thanks for reminding us that ALL solar production MUST be offshored to VietNam and Malaysia where there are no environmental regulations or OSHA, or … UNIONS. Huh!? That doesn’t seem to square with Lieawatha’s “green” American jobs.
And that plant in Ohio? Shuttered in mid 2020, or First Solar goes under.
Where’s the Yahoo disclaimer that … “Forward looking statements should not be relied upon for serious investment decisions”. Oh that’s right … CALPERS and other Public UNION “green investors” don’t read the disclaimers, they just pump $B’s into stupid businesses, and stick the taxpayers with the LOSSES.
ResourceGuy
Solar is having a new set of problems right now. Perhaps you missed this?
Duke Energy application points finger at solar for increased pollution
http://bit.ly/2qU0grH
…“After committing $2 billion in tax credits, and more than $1 billion in electricity overpayments for solar power, we now learn from Duke that nitrogen oxides have actually increased, and that CO2 may be headed in the wrong direction,”
And Yahoo news is a commie news site!!
Okay there are other sites with the same press release type info. Calm down
The multi year plant and line conversion is being updated quarterly to Wall Street analysts and the public. It’s not a one quarter conversion step but some of the Q&A may sound like that. The technology is from northeast Ohio where the R&D center is and the new plant and suppliers nearby. The original thin film tech was from the inventor Harold McMaster from that area.
Northwest Ohio
…and even then, solar cannot compete against either fossil fuel or nuclear without both subsidies and mandates. Why? Because the sun doesn’t shine 24/7, so you have to have backup which usually turns into something FF powered because nuclear takes to long to get all the necessary approvals, and the batteries robust enough to handle all the potential breaks in solar production don’t exist yet. So from the standpoint of systems decisions, it’s not fossil fuel vs. solar, it’s fossil fuel vs fossil fuel+solar. FAIL!!!
I have no problem with manufacturing solar or wind parts. i have no problem with generating electric using solar or wind. I do have a problem with governments subsides that industry or any industry. It is not the job of the government to pick winners and losers, it is the job of the government to level the “playing field” for all businesses.
With the introduction of water base construction products we now have problems with black mold.
Agree and the best of breed in any industry is held back when subsidies prop up hundreds of lesser players crowding the field. Eliminate solar subsidy and EV subsidy immediately.
I do not want a “good paying UNION job”
Unions at this point in history do nothing more than stifle creativity and protect substandard workers. Largely, the unions substitute time for talent anymore.
There were times in the not so distant past where unions were needed and were the only way to protect the workers. I don’t see the need in this country anymore.
Seems all the demo candidates are pandering to the unions all of a sudden. Up until the last week, the union card had not been played.
Sounds like she would like to remove the right-to-work protections from all the states.
I did not know there was a shortage of jobs in the USA. At 3,6% unemployment there is a shortage of labour not of jobs. Must be a nightmare for the Dems.
I suggest that a winning Trump campaign slogan for next year is, “ If you like having a job, you can keep your job – Trump 2020.”
Thank you David. Great article. Were you being slightly understated?
Surely having a political piece published in a UK newspaper could be considered interference by a foreign country in the 2020 election. The Democrats have made so much of that alleged interference they have done little else since the 2016 election.
Good point Marcus! I totally missed that angle.
Marcus
Along that line, most of the ‘news’ providers in the Yahoo US news are British! Since it is really political opinion instead of facts, it seems to me that it is really an attempt to interfere in US politics. Yet, that seems to be acceptable to the MSM and Democrats.
I think this post would be improved if you took out the personal abuse.
WUWT is a great source of facts and debate, and the facts you have presented are great. However, a neutral person (who should be the person you’re trying to convince) would probably not get past phrases like “puto” and “fauxcahontas”, especially the first one.
Your argument is more credible if you call opponents by their actual names and then proceed to shred the nonsense they are presenting. Elizabeth Warren’s lies about her origins have nothing to do with her crazy policies. O’Rourke’s faux-Latino shtick is also irrelevant, and labelling him a prostitute is unjustified personal abuse.
I forgot to include this…
And we know Lieawatha speaks with forked calculator. She conveniently forgets the other 3% to pay off student loans, so the real hit (so far) is 9%. So to raise $9 Billion, which Gates doesn’t have stacked in a vault like Scrooge McDuck, Gates has to sell off shares, and pay capital gains on each share he sells. Tthe Dems are also pushing to raise the capital gain tax north of 50%, but let’s go with 50% for now.
Gates will have to sell off $18 Billon worth of shares — to whom is unclear — if he can get the current price. Probably not so let’s add on another $4 Billion to make up the short on the stock.
So now we’re at $22 Billion IN THE FIRST YEAR that Gates has to come up with, drum roll please, so Lieawatha’s Billionare Tax is really 22%. And at 22% a year, in FIVE years Gates will no longer be a Billionaire — just a mere multi-millionaire paying the multi-millionaire taxes which should have him down to lower middle class in another 6 years.
Now that’s the real math — 22% per annum– not Lieawatha math (failed real estate mogul, flamed out self help guru, cultural recipe appropriator). And let’s not even bring up Bernie!
It is worse than that. Warren wants to tax the unrealized capital gains at ordinary income tax rates to pay for Medicare for all. Gates would have to pay capital gains on all of his shares, sold or not. To raise cash, he will have to sell more shares, further depressing the stock.
Assuming Gates is worth $100 billion in Microsoft stock, and his cost basis is near $0, his tax will be $50 billion at a 50% tax rate. Warren’s tax applies every year, so in a few years she has taken all of the money from all of the billionaires. Now where does she get the money to pay for her schemes?
Faced with a future like this, there will be no billionaires living in the US by the time the new taxes go into effect. None of her schemes will ever be funded, at least not by them.
Property values on Caribbean Islands, though, would soar.
Sure Dave that makes you the angry little boy shouting in the corner.
Fwiw, yes I am on your side.
Now go ahead, waste your ink and try to abuse me, however, it won’t stick as it is in a foreign languague to me anyway. Abuses don’t work if you have to look them up in a dictionary first.
Na na, na na na
Hans, I wouldn’t abuse you. Besides, your line about wasting ink was perfect comedic timing.
And, I am not “the angry little boy shouting in the corner”. I’m the loudmouth drunk at the end of the bar…
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David
You made me smile! 🙂
David,
Thanks again for the productivity table. It takes an almost unimaginable level of both stupidity and incompetence to look at those figures and still think that expanding solar and wind power is an efficient way to grow the economy and create ‘good’ jobs. As for poor Liz, you would think someone with a law degree and taught law for several years would be able to think rationally. Maybe she just checked at the door when she joined the Senate.
Quote: “My Green Manufacturing Plan will jumpstart clean energy development right here in the United States by investing $2tn to grow clean energy at home and abroad, while creating millions of new, good paying, union jobs. ”
If she is talking about wind and solar when see says “clean energy,” she is either lying or ignorant because wind turbines and solar panels leave toxic waste behind. The blades from wind turbines alone end up in waste dumps.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-31/turbines-in-landfill-trigger-debate-over-wind-s-dirty-downside
Furthermore, pouring $2tn into an industry that is has far lower productivity (compared to the fossil fuels industry) because of poor energy density and intermittency is borderline insane.
The only fossil fuel replacements that need be given any time, attention and money are next generation nuclear technologies, and the R&D for them is underway now. If Warren is anti-nuclear, then the energy game plan in her Guardian piece is likely going to be a complete and disastrous dead-end. Gold help us if it sees the light of day.
Gold help us, not Gold.