Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart; The governor of inclusive California only wants ideas and feedback from people who agree with him.
This response was triggered by a series of tweets from President Trump, criticising California’s management of wildfires.
I suspect we have all the information we need to understand why California is such a mess. Politicians who only want to hear from those who agree with them don’t learn by their mistakes.
Even Reuters thinks Governor Newsom needs to look beyond blaming climate change, to address California’s wildfires.
This is not the first time California’s utterly inadequate forest management has been criticised. Late last year Governor Jerry Brown quietly made efforts to ease logging restrictions and improve forest management, while publicly maintaining the fiction that the forest fires had nothing to do with his administration’s regulatory incompetence.
Based on this year’s wildfire disaster, I’m guessing that more efforts to ease restrictions and encourage competent forest management are required.
He really is a child isnt he? you must beleive what I beleive to talk with me? seriously? what a petulant fool to be leading a State.
Gavin Nuisance, Governor of the People’s Democratic Republic of Kalifornia (PDRK)
People’s Organic Republic of Kalifornia (PORK)
People’s Organic Republic of Kalifornia Incredulously Environmentally Stunted (PORKIES)
(for those of you who don’t speak English slang, porkies is slang for lying i.e. telling porkies -> pork pies -> lies)
Nero Newsome
Governor Newsome’s weasel response sounds very similar to Cliff Mass’s evasion of the truth. Cliff defines the ‘Real Debate’ about Climate Change as taking place between only the luke warmers and the alarmists, excluding the Natural Climate Change side of the debate.
Newsome, the niggling naibob of Climate Change nincompoopy, natters on while California is burning.
That’s your ‘Gov’, Califoreignya!
Kind of a non-starter when the progressive position is that they know everything and they’re always right – particularly when there’s no evidence for it.
57% of California’s forest area is on Federal land.
And the remaining 97% is state land.
😂👍
Are the wildfires on state land or federal land?
It does not matter who owns what land. What matters is who owns the land where the fires start – and who owns the land where they are able to spread. (“Owns” is also modified by whether the person on the deed is allowed to do what is necessary to prevent the start or spread of fires. Non-government “owners” are not so allowed – in California.)
sure is..now why don’t you superimpose a map of the forest fires over a map of state owned land and then over federally owned land.
Guess which map has the most forest fires? That’s right. The map shows that state owned land (where PG&E has it’s power lines) that has TREES AND BRUSH GROWING UNDER POWER LINES has the most fires.
all of the idiots that refuse to allow PG&E to clear the trees and fuel under their power lines are the same idiots that elected Newsome because he’s dumb enough to believe them.
That’s ok though. Citizens are fleeing the burning hell that is California now.PG&E will probably close it’s doors because it just can’t make money like it is now. When that happens, we should revoke the statehood of California and return it to territory status.
what has that got to do with stupidity . The forest HAS TO BE maintained to avoid these situations. People who think that they are helping the environment are so completely uneducated they are hopeless.
Donald: Your statement is true to a degree. The main problem I see is that, in reading the U.S. Constitution, the only significant areas of land the federal government is, by law, allowed to have and/or have jurisdiction over are Washington, D.C. and land for military purposes. Nothing else, and the Constitution has not been amended to change the prohibitions.
Note that my comment at that Breitbart article is #6 out of 4751 comments! See link to Like my comment! The comment is:
Newsome excuses himself of blame because of “climate change.” That’s bs.
There’s been little or no warming in the US (and California) since 1999, when NASA data showed clearly that the US was warmer in the 1930s! This fact was later “adjusted” away in the 2000s, but these are the words of NASA’s Chief Scientist Jim Hansen in 1999:
“In the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934.” -James Hansen, NASA, 1999, quote at this link: https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/
This graphic makes this clear: http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HE11.png
In fact the climate science gurus predict that the major driver of wildfires (santana winds) get less frequent due to global warming. Makes sense since the cold high pressure great basin events should weaken as things heat up. Link below.
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/climate-change-may-suppress-santa-ana-winds-particularly-fall
Also inconvenient is the fact that california in the last year has had 25% more rain and .1 degrees F less temperature On average than the 1981-2010 baseline. Check out the quite good climate tracker link for california below.
https://wrcc.dri.edu/Climate/Tracker/CA/index.html
Looking a bit weak for climate change attribution.
@Darcy. Right. It seems everything is due to “climate change.” The tree hugging leftists have worked overtime to prevent removal off fuel from the forests, to eliminate firebreaks, and Brown vetoed a bill just a couple years back that would have prioritized clearing brush around the power lines! Insanity.
Btw, I know it’s at the top of this page, but I realize I forgot to give the link to the Breitbart article that this page is based on and that my comment is in: https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/11/03/trump-slams-gavin-newsom-on-california-fires-get-your-act-together/
Even if it were slightly warmer in CA, a slight increase in temperature wouldn’t cause an increase in out-of-control wildfires. The hot Diablo and Santa Anna winds dessicate fuel loads much more than a slight increase in local temperature could. The two key factors driving out-of-control wildfires are high speed winds and large fuel loads. Both of those make fires very hot, fast spreading and consequently difficult to control. The result is more damage and larger acreages burned. Decrease the fuel loads and it is much easier to contain them and limit their destruction.
The Gavinator’s tweet reveals the “belief” nature of the Left for their CC religion. No science or cirical thought required. Take it on faith.
dang…global warming really does cause everything
..isn’t that convenient
they claim it’s going to make thing…all things…worse…and still they do nothing to prepare
So if climate change is happening, why not take steps to adapt? Why is oeventing climate change the only solution considered?
The first step is to realize that you cannot prevent forest fires. But you can manage them to minimize the damage they do.
You cannot fight forest fires wuth CO2. That simply increases the size of the next fire. Fight fire with fire.
The precept is that one does not want to prevent forest fires. Big hot wildfire must be prevented by prescribing small cool burns.
Sigh. This California governor may, like one of his Democrat predecessors, find himself the subject of a recall someday VERY soon. IMHO, it should happen – and none too soon.
If only I could sign the recall petition.
I signed the Recall petition today. Here’s hoping it gets on the ballot & passes…
I think another poster here on WUWT already said this on another thread but it bears repeating – there are only two ways wood leaves the forest – either as lumber, or as smoke…
The greenies and warmistas don’t like the first option, and they seem to accept the second one because then they can blame it all on “climate change” and evil Republicans.
So is #ClimateChange a statement of faith to California Governor Gavin Newsom?
Scientifically climate has been changing for 4 billion years.
Or is Gov. Newscom committing the illogical Equivocation of
“Catastrophic Majority Anthropogenic Global Warming”?
Trump to Newsom: You don’t believe in better forest management – you are excused from funding.
Would be interesting to audit and drill down EXACTLY how that federal funding has been spent in the People Republic of Kalifornia.
Gavin’s belief in Climate Change is so strong he’s willing to sacrifice his citizens in the fires of his criminal neglect!
What an ignominious bsstard!
I don’t think Newsom can be held 100% responsible for the current situation. He can be held responsible for continuing the decades of “do nothing policies” which leads to these sorts of fires. There are many Governors before him, especially Brown, who are equally responsible for poor forest management. Same happens in Australia in fire prone areas. And people wonder why this stuff burns when set alight, usually by arsonists.
If Newsom had said “we have different views on climate change, but we agree that forest management must be improved” and listed initiatives for remedying the problem, instead of sneering at President Trump, this would have been a very different post.
Indeed. But he didn’t. So the climate pantomime continues.
We have evidence of some civilisations going “extinct” for some crazy reason, but this is global.
Gavin Newsom: You obviously don’t believe in reality. You are excused from all conversations requiring reality based participants.
That kinda reminds me of King Canute ordering the tide not to come in.
Canute (aka Cnut) was only ordering the tide not to come in because irrational people believed that he could control the tides and he was demonstrating that he couldn’t. He was the rational one, but the story has been changed over the years by the press and the intellectuals to make him look like an idiot.
Not a lot has changed in the last 1,000 years.
Sadly today’s Canutes are labeled climate deniers and ignoramuses. They are vilified for demanding empirical data and not putting faith in models. I recall the shameful story about the way the scientific and medical community responded to the claim of the Hungarian Dr Semmelweis († 1865). He discovered in Vienna that by washing of hands the maternity clinics could massively reduce mortality rates. For those who believed that science is settled his claims were outrageous. Today hospitals are even encouraging visitors to wash their hands when visiting. I just wonder how long it is going to take “climate scientists” and activists to catch up with the real science.
And, true to form, they had him chucked into an insane asylum where, only 14 days later, he died of blood poisoning after being beaten by the guards.
How do you respond claim an idiotic statement like ”you don’t believe in climate change”?
It’s like saying ”you don’t believe in vitamins”
Voters should say, “Gavin Newsome, you are excused from office.”
Sadly, though, probably someone else should say, “Voters, you are excused from voting”, since the people voting for CA governors also seem unable to handle reality.
Democracy is the theory that the opinion of one person who’s examined the issues from both sides and weighed the pros and cons to come to an informed decision is worth less than that of two people who vote for the candidate with the best hair.
The key part of the phrase is ” who’s examined the issues from both sides and weighed the pros and cons to come to an informed decision”, of course.
Nah, the key part is “best hair”.
Worked for Trudeau….
It is important to remember that if you disagree with him you are wrong.
You don’t believe in science.
So it is a religion then. That is what I though all along.
Rather a “cult”. A suicidal one at that, like the Jim Jones cult. Curious to note that Jim Jones was a Democrat Party activist in San Francisco. Some parallels to the CAGW cult.
“……..(Jim Jones)… December 1963 and told his Indiana congregation that the world would be engulfed by nuclear war on July 15, 1967, leading to a new socialist Eden on Earth……his “Apostolic Socialism” concept in Temple sermons…… “those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment—socialism”……… preaching that he was the reincarnation of Gandhi, Father Divine, Jesus, Gautama Buddha, and Vladimir Lenin.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
From what I heard about that “suicide” from the very few survivors, it was actually a lot less like suicide and a lot more like murder. When people saw what the spiked kool-aid was doing to other people, they didn’t want any part of it, but at gunpoint they had very little choice in the matter…
So, very much like every other socialist state.
Gavin Newsom is the definition of an ‘echo chamber’ – “You must agree with me in order to talk with me.”
Eight days ago I said “I don’t believe in Climate Change.” in response to a comment on a tech blog. Originally I tried to post a link to a WUWT article to point out that the commentator was wrong, but my reply wouldn’t post. In reality I know a great deal of climate science.
You can find my comment here:
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/220652/microsoft-wins-10-billion-pentagon-contract
It’s harsh, I know, but it’s for their own good. People need to suffer in order to really appreciate the seriousness of the climate crisis. Some will die, and that’s unfortunate, but most who die are old or otherwise weak, diseased, enfeebled, etc. So they were on the outs, anyway, and a drain on the people’s health care system. It’s true we could fix this fire problem in a heartbeat if we really wanted to, but we mustn’t. Not yet. People need to know that this is the New Normal with climate change. Too many stubbornly refuse to believe. Too many question our knowledge, our intentions, our authority. Too many dismiss our claims that life as we know it is unsustainable without fundamental transformation and radical restructuring of society. So, sadly, they and everyone, even the good climate soldiers, must suffer. It is regrettable, but necessary. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
you forgot to add /sarc at the end there.
As I have said many times here on WUWT in the last 5 or 6 years, on the East coast NJ, PA, NY etc.. We Have Many Fire towers on top of many hills and Mountains. They are all manned. When a small fire breaks out, you put it out right away.
In CA, since it is so dry, you hit it hard right away. Put the damn thing out soon after it starts, using the big guns right away. That’s what we do in PA and it seems to work well.
Don’t wait until it is a monster before sending in the maximum bombardment.
I think that would work well, compared to what is happening now.
JPP
JPP, I don’t think our east-coast approach to fire works in California. The ecology there is adapted to the dry conditions, i.e. a fire ecology, which means it requires fire for the trees and bushes etc. to be able to reproduce. Normal regular fires are brush fires that don’t burn through the tree crowns, so all they do is clear out the dead wood on the forest floor and then let the new seeds sprout. The problem is that when you suppress fires for 100 years, the fuel load gets out of control, and then the next fire will be super-hot and burn everything to the ground (taking decades or centuries to recover). This is the situation they are in now. “No fire” is simply not an option.
Message from Donald to Gavin: You do believe in man-made climate change. You are a fool.
May I also be excused? I was going to comment here at WATTS but you commentators are doing a great job, so I think I will go and play golf, partly because it irritates the heck out of the protest class.
If the state keeps on electing fools , it should not be surprised to see they run the state in foolish ways.
Trump is going to crush the Democrats in the next12 months, like nothing that has ever been seen before. Climate change is going to be the least of their problems. That’s it right there: climate change literally is the least of all the problems faced by humanity right now. Forget trying to figure out the answers: the key to the problem is asking the right questions. When you get the Q right, everything else is taken care of.
You don’t see close to the level of burn in other states… – very true where I am, here in the Middling West. Very true. If the DNR did not do prescribed, controlled burns to eliminate invasive plants and get rid of junk like buckthorn (invasive plant), we’d be living in a tangle worse than any jungle ever dreamed of.
Newsom is a braindead twit. If he gets recalled, he deserves it, but unless the majority of voters are people who lost everything in this latest go-round of wildfires, it’s likely his pandering to the Cagwers and warmunistas and street bums will continue ad nauseum.
Just as God punished wickedness the with the flood.
Just as Noah built the Arc to save the world.
Just as Don Quixote saw evil everywhere.
Just as he tilted at windmills.
Gavin sees the evil of the climate crisis
And builds windmills while shouting “the end is near!”
What is the meaning of the word “believe” in this context?
I believe that some 120,000 years ago the climate was about 12 degrees F. warmer than it is today. I believe that about 20,000 years ago the area where Chicago is presently located was covered by a mile thick layer of glacial ice. I believe that as recently as 12,000 years ago mammoths were flash frozen in Siberia with green plant matter still in their stomachs. I don’t deny that from 1408 to 1814, the River Thames froze so solidly that in 26 years a frost fair was held on the river.
I don’t deny that Anasazi settled in the Mesa Verde region of the American Southwest about 1,600 years ago to practice subsistence farming. The climate in the region slowly became much more dry. By the end of the 13th century, the population collapsed. I don’t deny any of this.
I accept and believe this indicates the climate is changing and always will be changing. Does this somehow disqualify me from voicing my opinion on the matter like concluding that the wildfire debacle in California is was far more caused by poor forest and water management policies over decades and poor power line clearing practices than it was caused by an change in climate.
What is the CO2 “footprint” of forest fires? Burning fossil fuel or living trees both emit CO2.
Burning trees is carbon neutral don’t you know, just ask Drax
The Governor doesn’t believe dry tinder on forest floors leads to increased fires. He is excused from the conversation and any other conversation that involves logical arguments.
Californians believe you can control wildfires and reduce sea levels by installing wind turbines and solar panels. They’re nuts.
Who is really in charge in California and what are their plans that disasters are happening in many areas of the state from high taxes, misuse of water, non management of forests to misery in the street to suing and overregulating the power companies and the attack on farming. And the lawlessness of government in crime and immigration.
Whatever the plans are more important than the people. And who in public service or employ can be that arrogant.
You don’t believe in climate change. You are excused from this conversation
the governor doesn’t believe in reality, so should be excused from any position that requires making decisions of any kind.
Perhaps the governor of CA can solve a mystery. How can climate change or global warming ignite a fire?
Who doesn’t support the President when he suggests that no more federal money should be given to California?
And when will those car and fuel standards be revoked so we can afford new cars again?
You think there are more than two genders. You are excused from the Human race.
A couple of quotations can provide some perspective.
Much needed:
“Most men only care for science so far as they obtain a living from it, but they will worship error when it affords them a living.”
–Goethe.
And then there are the control freaks:
“The people want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive.”
–Adolf Hitler
Trump :
“I was with the President of Finland and he said we have — much different — we are a forest nation. He called it a forest nation,” Trump said. “And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don’t have any problem. And when it is, it’s a very small problem. So I know everybody’s looking at that to that end.”
‘Make America Rake Again’: Confusion in Finland over Trump’s wildfire comments
By Caroline Kelly, CNN
Updated 0132 GMT (0932 HKT) November 20, 2018
Sycophants wanted to help fill the numbers needed to consensus the utopia into our delusions.
Let Gavin and the Sierra Club continue to manipulate the people of California unobstructed and finger point when things don’t work out. Send more moving vans though. There’s an acute shortage for the exodus.
Climate Believers hate humanity, and therefore are excused from the human race.
They’re transhumane, notably Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic.
Translation:
How dare you!
You think California’s environ-mental policies that prevents clearing dead brush from beneath power lines and people’s personal property creates a fire hazard! You think forbidding cutting dead trees out of the forest so spotted owls won’t be forced to nest in Kmart signs might have something to do with forest fires!
How dare you!
The science is settled.
How dare you imply Man might have something to do with the fires!
CO2 causes fires! It doesn’t put them out! It makes them worse!!!!
(I think I’ll ban CO2 fire extinguishers. That should help.)
Sod climate change – Donald Trump is excused from any and all conversations on anything as he is as thick as two short planks, woefully and wilfully ignorant on any subject apart from the genius and utter brilliance of Donald Trump, and is the United States Gross National Product.
Muricans – this is how the rest of the world now sees you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE
#OneTermTrump – 442 days and counting.
Who cares about what the rest of world thinks about freedom?
I’d prefer we preserve what’s left of what 1776 was all about.
You disagree?
You’re free to do so.
See you at the voting booth.
(Desperate “Kangaroo courts” before Ginsberg is no longer on the SCOTUS are not a voting booth.)
Better not see him at the voting booth, it’s clear from his post that he is not an American citizen, as such his being at the voting booth would be a violation of US voting laws.
As for what the rest of the world think? Who flipping cares. They don’t have our interests at heart, only their own, so why the heck should we care what they think. Just like they need not care what we think of them.