The Conversation Begs Canadians to Vote for More Climate Taxes

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

On the 21st of October, The Conversation wants Canadians to vote for more tax, greater climate sacrifices and higher energy costs.

At the ballot box, cast a vote for climate change innovation and investment
October 19, 2019 5.16am AEDT

Jason MacLean Assistant Professor of Law and Associate Member of the School of Environment and Sustainability, University of Saskatchewan

Catherine Potvin
Professor of Biology, McGill University

As interdisciplinary climate scholars working on Canada’s transition to a zero-carbon society, we suggest Canadians consider which party is most capable of advancing the following three climate policy priorities following the election.

There are three key cost components to climate policy. 

1. Maintaining carbon pricing
We can’t afford to scrap the federal carbon price. It’s as necessary as taking an antibiotic when facing a strong microbial infection. 

In fact, the carbon price must rise over time — and fast. Pricing carbon emissions below the cost of their damage to society — the “social cost of carbon” — subsidizes air pollution and climate change. 

2. Eliminating fossil fuel subsidies
The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) suggests that fossil fuel subsidies have declined in Canada since 2013. But the OECD’s estimate omits negative externalities, including the costs of climate change, air pollution and traffic accidents. It also ignores Canada’s increasing subsidies to the liquefied natural gas (LNG) industry.

3. Investing in a zero-carbon transition
According to Natural Resources Canada, the federal and provincial investments in energy research, development and deployment (RD&D) totalled $2.26 billion for the fossil fuel industry, including carbon capture and storage, between 2011 and 2015. That was nearly double their investments in RD&D for renewable energy, at $1.39 billion.

Read more: http://theconversation.com/at-the-ballot-box-cast-a-vote-for-climate-change-innovation-and-investment-125411

Canadians, your duty is clear. Forget that new automobile or home improvement or loan repayment, forget about staying warm this winter.

This is no time to be selfish.

Give to the government and the climate establishment, so they can continue their tireless efforts to fly to climate conferences in exotic holiday destinations, to save the world from warmer weather.

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Earthling2
October 19, 2019 10:23 am

The leftist parties in Canada (Greens, NDP & now Liberals) have stated that they will join together in some form of minority Gov’t to defeat any attempt against the conservatives to form Gov’t. However, the socialists themselves may not have the seats available after the election to have a majority of votes to maintain the confidence of surviving a majority vote. Which then leaves the Bloc Quebecois holding some type of balance of power, who have also said they will not abandon a carbon tax, or approve any new pipe lines through Quebec. This leaves the conservatives with no hope to implement their platform if they are elected with the most seats, but not a majority.

It sadly looks like Canada will be returning to either a hung parliament or a minority liberal gov’t with Justin Trudeau at the helm. And the socialist NDP/Greens have as their most important priority the climate, carbon taxes and natural resource development blockage. Perhaps the conservatives are willing to sell out to Quebec to shore up a conservative minority gov’t. Unless the public opinion polls have been so corrupted to show a minority gov’t, it looks like continued socialist climate policy will be the sad result of this election.

rah
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 10:33 am

Sooner or later economic realities and a declining standard of living will rule the day.

Earthling2
Reply to  rah
October 19, 2019 11:32 am

It already has, big time. The CAD dollar now averages about .75 to USD, and the CDN stock market TSX is lagging the DOW by 10,000 points. Canada is now a real mess again, basically with socialists/marxists from Quebec/eastern Canada running the resource industry, mainly oil, into the ground while loading up large annual deficits and accumulating the debt to give free stuff to those who vote liberal. What surprises me is the relative easy pass that the world and Canadians are giving Justin Trudeau. He is a total fraud on everything, and totally clueless in running any type of business, including Gov’t, which is so painfully obvious to see. I think it is partly the result of the way immigration was managed and coordinated into key ridings for votes since his father, Pierre Trudeau, last ran the country into the ground when he was prime minister. It is a totally corrupt way of governing, and makes really corrupt 3rd world countries look semi legitimate.

Reply to  rah
October 19, 2019 6:32 pm

This should be the USA, Canadian and British media’s story-of-the-year. It applies equally to Britain and the USA. The Canadian media, bought by Turdeau’s $600 million, won’t print it.

THE LIBERALS’ COVERT GREEN PLAN FOR CANADA – POVERTY AND DICTATORSHIP
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/01/the-liberals-covert-green-plan-for-canada-poverty-and-dictatorship/

Roger Knights
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 11:22 am

“Which then leaves the Bloc Quebecois holding some type of balance of power, who have also said they will not abandon a carbon tax, or approve any new pipe lines through Quebec. This leaves the conservatives with no hope to implement their platform if they are elected with the most seats, but not a majority.”

So let Quebec go become its own country (?).

Bruce Ranta
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 19, 2019 11:48 am

Absolutely! If we had a national referendum, Quebec would be told to leave. Canada is a failed country. The only reason it exists is its proximity to the USA.

J Mac
Reply to  Bruce Ranta
October 19, 2019 1:09 pm

An honest assessment, Bruce Ranta.

Robert MacLellan
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 20, 2019 3:43 am

Not happening, the last referendum showed that while large minority wanted independence there was a solid majority very against it. It also was spiked by then PM Chretien stating that if Canada was divisible then so was Quebec, opening the prospect of that province leaving 80% of its present territory and 90% of its resources behind. Many a fanciful idea sinks on the shoals of reality.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 12:00 pm

If Quebec wants a Carbon Tax in their province, no problem..I’ll take the PQ and CPC, anything is better than trudope….

BCBill
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 12:29 pm

After the last several elections it is astonishing that anyone would pay any attention to polls in Canada and particularly to those in Quebec. The polls in Canada are even less reliable than climate models but the MSM continue to talk about them both as if they mean something. The PPC is one of the few political parties anywhere to point out that CAGW has no clothes.

Editor
Reply to  BCBill
October 19, 2019 1:43 pm

Polls in Australia, right up to the last federal election, showed that Bill Shorten and his disastrously expensive “climate” policy would win easily. But he lost. What happens is that the green left bully the public, through the media and in other ways, to the point where the public just keep their heads down waiting for the opportunity to vote. In the meantime they won’t reveal their thoughts to anyone, and that includes pollsters.

Jo Nova put it brilliantly: Bullying works in public, but people vote alone.
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/it-was-a-climate-election-and-the-skeptics-won-australia-2019/

Canada and Australia are similar. There’s hope.

BCBill
Reply to  Mike Jonas
October 19, 2019 8:26 pm

I agree. The polls in Canada have largely become a propaganda tool. I will vote for the candidate I like best, polls and strategic voting be damned.

davidmhoffer
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 12:40 pm

Bloc Quebecois holding some type of balance of power, who have also said they will not abandon a carbon tax, or approve any new pipe lines through Quebec

Which is exactly why the Conservatives should for a minority government with the Bloc. They’re against pipelines through Quebec, they don’t give a sh*t what pipelines get built in western Canada. Plus, about half the transfer payments from Alberta oil revenue go to Quebec. So, they can keep keep their promise to their voters (who are 100% Quebec) while getting a pipeline built in western Canada that will increase their transfer payments. Plus hold the balance of power in Canada which will allow them to claw some more goodies from the rest of Canada into Quebec.

This is the most logical outcome I can think of for the Conservatives if they wind up as a minority government. But politicians are politicians, and there are many other issues, it isn’t a single issue discussion.

Robert MacLellan
Reply to  davidmhoffer
October 20, 2019 3:51 am

Not necessarily as Quebec is going to need a pipeline for the proposed LNG terminal in the Saguenay, leaving them open to a quid pro quo over Energy East.

Mathieu Simoneau
Reply to  davidmhoffer
October 20, 2019 8:07 am

davidmhoffer

That would work only if the BQ was not another ideological sh*thole who hates everything that is even remotly centrist and has a passionate disdain for the right. The BQ is as much Marxist than the provincial Quebec Solidaire and the Parti Québecois (separatist).

The BQ now holds the hand of the CAQ (currently in power with a vast majority) who’s leader is an ex-minister of the PQ in its best years.

The reality is that the conservative party is isolated and despîsed by the PPC who split from them a year ago. Canada will be stuck sliding in the deficit hole of the left ideology until we get degrade to bankruptcy.

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 2:16 pm

Can’t wait for The Conversation’s Christmas article where they will be asking Turkey’s to vote for it!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Hot under the collar
October 19, 2019 4:30 pm

Turkey’s what?

dollops
Reply to  Earthling2
October 19, 2019 6:20 pm

Sadly, the Conservative Party that we fought so long (from the West) to establish reverted to the old PC Party, throwing away a million or more votes. Hopefully this election will be so inconclusive that another will happen soon, and the Conservative Party will have a chance to get their coprolites in order. If they hold out as Liberal-lite, goodbye Canada.

rah
October 19, 2019 10:30 am

This truck driver travels along the 401 in Ontario between Windsor and the Toronto area pretty often. Canadians love their automobiles. At Comber, ON there is a truck stop where I typically stop to pickup my customs clearance document(s) to get back into the US that I have faxed there. Behind the main building is an electric car charging area having about six charging stations for EVs. Only once in the dozens of times I have stopped in there since they put those charging stations in have I seen even one vehicle using a charging station.

BTW the coming general election in Canada will determine significant economic/trade/political events to come here in the US if this analysis is correct. I believe it’s spot on: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/17/nancy-pelosis-usmca-strategy-for-2020-is-contingent-upon-the-canadian-election/

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  rah
October 19, 2019 11:36 am

The fact that Barack 0bama has publicly thrown his support behind Justin Trudeau gives me hope.
Just like 0bama’s support to Remain in the Brexit vote in 2016 probably helped push Leave over the finish line, so too Trudeau may be shown the exit by voters.

Kurt in Switzerland
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 19, 2019 12:20 pm

I saw what you did there:
… substituting O with 0.

Very devious, that

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  Kurt in Switzerland
October 19, 2019 12:58 pm

but sooo appropriate.

The pair of PC ponces have achieved nothing but political evaporation.

Trevor
Reply to  Kurt in Switzerland
October 20, 2019 2:42 am

More like childish. Must we resort to name calling?

gmak
Reply to  Trevor
October 20, 2019 2:29 pm

I don’t know. Let’s ask the “Deniers”, shall we?

Greg
Reply to  rah
October 19, 2019 12:23 pm

“Part of the 2020 Democrat strategy is to stall the U.S. economy, stoke a recession narrative, and hopefully weaken President Trump’s re-election bid. That’s the plan.”

Sounds about right.

rah
Reply to  Greg
October 20, 2019 12:00 am

The only part I question is Pelosi bringing impeachment up for a vote. There seems to be no there, there, I suspect that she believes keeping the never ending “investigations” and leaked allegations going will serve their partisan political ends better than a Senate trail resulting in exoneration.

GeoNC
October 19, 2019 10:30 am

“Negative externalities “? Why do I get the feeling they’re just making crap up?

Kurt in Switzerland
Reply to  GeoNC
October 19, 2019 12:45 pm

Anyone whining about the purported negative externalities inherent to fossil fuels (yet continues to use & benefit from the same) should be publicly shamed until he or she ceases this ‘dubious’ practice.

Think of all the heretofore unemployed suddenly basking in the admiration conveyed by the followers of their blogs as they ‘troll’ the pessimistic politicians to no end!

GeoNC
Reply to  Kurt in Switzerland
October 19, 2019 5:48 pm

I think the authors would regard it as a positive externality if fossil fuel use was discontinued and billions of people died and the survivors had to engage in subsistence farming.

JustTheFactsPlease
October 19, 2019 10:31 am

A carbon tax in Canada is the greatest exercise in futility in human history. If we were to stop using fossil fuels in Canada tomorrow (resulting in short order in some 35 million deaths), at current emissions growth rates it would take the rest of the world about eight months to replace 100% of Canada’s CO2 emissions.

On the outer Barcoo
October 19, 2019 10:31 am

If you’ve ever experienced winter in Canada and then hear some Canadians demanding that the Government do all it can to make it even colder, you know they’re nuts.

Scissor
Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
October 19, 2019 11:03 am

I’ve heard that Canadians own over a half million properties in Florida. They certainly don’t travel South because it is too warm in Canada.

Gamecock
Reply to  Scissor
October 19, 2019 1:52 pm

Hah! Good point!

I’ll be seeing lots of snowbirds heading south on the interstate the next few weeks. Ontario and Quebec plates are common here in the fall.

https://www.snowbirds.org/home

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Scissor
October 19, 2019 4:33 pm

They travel south for Costco.

MonnaM
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 7:59 pm

Nah, we have Costco. I guarantee you, we travel south for warmth.

MonnaM
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 8:02 pm

Nah, we have Costco. I guarantee you, we travel south for the warmth.

MonnaM
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 8:05 pm

Nah, we have Costco. I guarantee you, we travel south for the warmth and sunshine – and lack of snow!

jtom
Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
October 19, 2019 3:15 pm

Don’t know Canadian law, but in the US, I would expect attorneys would be lining up after every cold-related death, suing the government for deliberately maintaining an unsafe environment.

After all, if you claim you can control the climate, then you have made yourself responsible for whatever that brings. It is no longer an act of God.

icisil
October 19, 2019 10:32 am

Canadians really should vote for some warming. I mean seriously: lower heating bills, less snow to move, less money spent on winter clothes, longer growing season, etc.

Steve
Reply to  icisil
October 19, 2019 12:32 pm

As nice as all that would be, it is easily outweighed by the mass of additional refugees we’d be forced to absorb from the warmer parts of the world. Besides, it would never fly, we have too many skiing fanatics here.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 19, 2019 10:33 am

They repeat, again and again, that carefully cultivated falsehood of ‘fossil fuel subsidies’, which are just sensible investment in infrastructure.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 19, 2019 11:44 am

All of the fossil fuels I buy and any energy produced by them are taxed heavily. I wouldn’t call that subsidized and I’m sure Canada is the same. As far as I can tell, fossil fuel ‘subsidies’ are so broadly defined that they include tax revenue lost from legimiately deducting the cost of fossil fuels as a business expense, investment tax credits available to any industry, utility support for low income households, loan guarantees to developing nations for fossil fuel based energy, etc. The only highly subsidized energy sector is the dim green sector including solar, wind and EV subsidies whose public cost benefits only the rich as it leads to tangible harm including an unstable power grid and a massive toxic waste disposal problem as the ‘green’ paid for with these subsidies starts to age.

Pat Frank
Reply to  co2isnotevil
October 19, 2019 1:03 pm

Last time I did the calculation was in 2015.

However, using US EIA numbers, at that time the “renewables” received about 35 times the subsidies fossil fuel producers received, normalized to the amount of power produced.

J Mac
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 19, 2019 1:04 pm

“There are three key cost components to climate policy.”
1. Fraud
2. Junk Science
3. Alarmist claims of impending Doom.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  J Mac
October 19, 2019 1:49 pm

+42×10^42

Toto
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 19, 2019 3:59 pm

+1

Then the question is “who pays?” and “who benefits?”. Do I need to answer that?

Bill Powers
October 19, 2019 10:47 am

Hammer meet nail. Best closing sentence Ever.

“Give to the government and the climate establishment, so they can continue their tireless efforts to fly to climate conferences in exotic holiday destinations, to save the world from warmer weather.”

Continue to subsidize our Church leaders lifestyles or the Hobgoblins gonna getcha.

Curious George
October 19, 2019 10:49 am

Canadians! Fight Global Warming – or you risk a pleasant climate and an unending inflow of Climate Refugees!

Scissor
October 19, 2019 10:50 am

Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela are on their way to “zero” carbon; it’s hard to believe that Canadians want to go there too.

beng135
October 19, 2019 10:58 am

Anything that calls itself “The Conversation” has to be run by & directed toward infant minds.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  beng135
October 19, 2019 11:19 am

beng135
I have suggested to the editors that they change their name to “The Monologue” to better describe their editorial policies. Strangely, I did not receive the courtesy of a reply.

Voltron
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 19, 2019 1:57 pm

Perhaps the Echo Chamber would be more appropriate.

jim
Reply to  beng135
October 19, 2019 2:50 pm

Worse yet, my comments seem to always disappear.
So I gave up.

Ron Long
October 19, 2019 11:05 am

Yea, suicide, it’s a beauty way to go, eh? Looks like the Mackenzie Brothers are alive and well and running Canada again, eh? Take off, hoser. Got the back-bacon on the Coleman (yea, it will have to be on the Coleman because there won’t be any other kind of fossil fuel heat coming into your house!). What has gotten into our Canadian neighbors?

Joel O'Bryan
October 19, 2019 11:15 am

Carbon pricing is like taking raw arsenic to cure Malaria. A tiny bit for a short time won’t really hurt and might cure syphillis. But arsenic for centuries was the poison used by many young wives of aristocratic Europe noblemen to quickly become rich young widows.

So having a dose of “carbon taxation” that “must rise over time — and fast” will kill the patient. The patient in this case is the affluent middle class of western democracies, so the elites can become the benefactor of the votes of a newly impoverished working class of peasants.

And for what? Canada’s emissions are meaningless compared to the projected emissions growth across the non-OECD countries. And every economic model run on top of the climate model outputs shows net benefit to Canada from global warming, even to include RCP8.5 — Increased crop growing seasons, lower heating costs, less need for snow removal/mitigation on roadways.

Make no mistake what this call for rapid and fast rising carbon prices — a beckon to economic destruction for the middle class that will allow the Left to sweep in with increasingly socialistic welfare policies for a struggling middle class to buy their votes and obtain more political power. This is truly the arsonist-firefighter set-up. The Left wants to set a blaze (smoldering at first so as not to get anyone suspicious) to the middle class that will then rapidly rise and consume it. The socialists and their uber-wealthy elitist backers and they can then rush in with their vote-buying salvation policies.

And they are now asking middle class Canadians to vote against their own self-interest by using both fantastical scare stories and virtue signalling rhetoric. Even the Greta schtick is part of this carefully choreographed disinformation campaign.

Serge Wright
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 19, 2019 4:56 pm

The emissions from non-OECD countries are the elephant in the room and yet they are totally ignored by the alarmist media. It’s beyond a joke.

This article from the Guardian a few months back claims that if just three Europeaean countries comprising the UK, Germany and Sweden moved to a 9 hour work week then it would limit warming to less than 2 degrees C. Of course no mention of China anywhere. You really couldn’t make up such BS and yet the green masses embrace this garbage as biblical wisdom, seemingly devoid of the pre-school level IQ needed to determine BS from reality.

Article here:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/22/working-fewer-hours-could-help-tackle-climate-crisis-study

“The research, from thinktank Autonomy, shows workers in the UK would need to move to nine-hour weeks to keep the country on track to avoid more than 2C of heating at current carbon intensity levels. Similar reductions were found to be necessary in Sweden and Germany.”

The joke here is that Sweden emits only 0.14% of global emissions and even the combined total of the 3 countries is only ~3%. But in the Guardians own words, this 3% (and falling) is the bad CO2, meaning the 30% emissions from China and 65% from all non OECD countries (and rising fast) must be the good CO2 that allows the outgoing IR to slip past back into space unimpeded.

This kind of illogical propaganda is trolled out by alarmist media outlets across all western democratic nations, even tiny nations such as NZ that only emit sheep farts are subjected to the same extreme media calls to save the planet. The one common denominator being the totally ignored emissions of China, India and the developing would that will make up 75% all emissions by 2050 and probably >85% by 2100 even if the west makes no further cuts.

PaulH
October 19, 2019 11:21 am

1. Maintaining carbon pricing
We can’t afford to scrap the federal carbon price. It’s as necessary as taking an antibiotic when facing a strong microbial infection.

This is one of the most unimaginably stupid things I’ve read in ages. I am not surprised that someone who claims to be an “Associate Member of the School of Environment and Sustainability” would produce this nonsense, but the other author claims to be a professor of Biology form McGill University. McGill used to be a premiere university, but I guess those days are gone.

Greg
Reply to  PaulH
October 19, 2019 12:32 pm

It’s as essential as taking anti-flu drugs before you can even tell whether you have a temperature. The drugs you are going to take are anti-biotics which have zero effect on a flu virus anyway but 97% of doctors prescribe them.

Lee L
Reply to  PaulH
October 19, 2019 6:29 pm

Biologist … a sciency sort of person who avoided the math or so it used to be.

Bruce Ranta
Reply to  Lee L
October 19, 2019 9:26 pm

I was trained as a biologist. Over the last 40 years, I’ve watched the profession slide into the mud.

Jeff Labute
October 19, 2019 11:24 am

The PPC party is further right than the conservatives, and now it’s leader Maxine Bernier is asking for an investigation against the conservatives since there is bad blood on the right. It is all one big CF. A minority party with the NDP and liberals would tarnish the liberal brand. Maybe it is what Trudeau secretly had a meeting with Jagmeet About a long while ago… who knows. I voted conservative and so did my youngest. Too much stupidity here. People clamouring to have Greta visit their cities. Politics is in a sick state of affairs.

Lee L
Reply to  Jeff Labute
October 19, 2019 6:26 pm

This is not politics. It is religion and zealotry.

dollops
Reply to  Jeff Labute
October 19, 2019 6:39 pm

You mean to write “farther”, but anyway .. The CPC backed away from nationalism and old-style liberalism – which is now called “conservatism” – leaving the small, honest, fiscally conservative field open for The Peoples’ Party. Big Money and BIG Government anti-nationalists destroyed the Conservative Party’s credibility, so the Tories have missed the tide that could have been theirs to ride.

Earthling2
Reply to  dollops
October 19, 2019 9:42 pm

It really would have helped if the recently retired Premier of Saskatchewan, Brad Wall, had been the CPC Conservative leader. There would be no question that it would have been an absolute majority Tory sweep. Justin Trudeau is now hated and despised across much of the country but people are saying the devil I know is better…

I think part of the problem is that Andrew Scheer is just not that likeable and also still a bit young and acts a little wet behind the ears with that stupid grin he can’t seem to wipe off his face. I think he just turned 40 and has been in parliament since he was 25 and the youngest speaker of the House. So that is why he never had much of a job/career after university. Don’t get me wrong, I like him and will vote for him, and he would do a good job, but he just doesn’t have the charisma to pull off a majority. I hope he does, but I doubt that will happen.

It doesn’t help he alienated Mad Max and the PPC accepting all that dairy farm support from Quebec in Max’s back yard and now a bit of a split vote on the centre right. If he doesn’t form Gov’t then he has to resign immediately and hopefully someone like Brad Wall or Rona Ambrose will seek the CPC leadership and the Liberal coalition falls apart real quick. The fact that JT is still in the race speaks volumes about the CPC and Andrew Scheer. Too bad this had to happen, but let’s hope the Bloc Q will step in and prop up the CPC at least for a few years. Or Canada will carry the torch along with France for the socialist marxists to return to power globally and this stupid climate change nonsense will keep boiling away until the democrats are eventually elected in the USA, just due to immigration demographics.

Alasdair Fairbairn
October 19, 2019 11:30 am

The conversation has gone a bit gaga these days.

Rob_Dawg
October 19, 2019 11:31 am

Time to annex and establish the USNA? No, not really. Even the US isn’t so stupid as to take on the problem les Francois never mind the demand for heavy equipment to farm the ever expanding agricultural lands due to climate improvement.

Fran
October 19, 2019 11:51 am

In this and the last election, the only candidate with exxperience running a business was the conservative, in both cases extensive experience. That tells me something about where to put my vote, even if the only effect in the BC riding will be to encourage the conservatives to keep trying.

Tom Abbott
October 19, 2019 11:51 am

We will see just how many credulous people there are in Canada, after this election. How many have been fooled by the lies of the human-caused climate change promoters?

Canadians can’t fix the Earth’s weather. Canadian alarmists should stop fooling themselves and trying to fool everyone else.

Mark Broderick
October 19, 2019 11:52 am

“The Conversation Begs Canadians to Vote for More Climate Taxes” /

Ummmmmmm….NO !

Justin Burch
October 19, 2019 11:56 am

The pressure to conform and appear progressive and “believe” in climate change is enormous up here. We have no equivalent to FOX and all you get is 24/7 progressive propaganda. Canada’s only hope at this point is that the polls are wrong and a whole bunch of people (myself included) plan on voting Conservative even though we won’t say so and don’t have signs on our lawns because of the pressure. The Conservatives aren’t perfect but they are a whole lot better than the Liberals. Canada did very well for itself under Harper with Canadian dollar even at par with the US for a while and a worldwide recession largely passing us by. If the polls are not wrong looks like we’ll have corrupt (and pedophile if you believe the Buffalo Chronicle) in charge again for four more years. I have a spouse who is a US citizen. If Trudeau gets in we’re doing the green card thing or better yet moving to Alberta when it separates.

Gamecock
Reply to  Justin Burch
October 20, 2019 11:08 am

“The pressure to conform and appear progressive and “believe” in climate change is enormous up here.”

Same down here. Few people know a damn thing about meteorology, but they embrace Climate Change™. It is a declaration of orthodoxy. An attempt to have themselves viewed as one of the elite.

All the cool kids believe in Climate Change™.

October 19, 2019 12:42 pm

This is such sweet irony!
Keystone pipeline is shut down by a snow storm!
What an army of ecozombies could not prevent, Mother Nature shuts down for them.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/State-Of-Emergency-Vital-Oil-Pipeline-Shuttered-By-Snow-Storms.html

The eco geniuses can also reflect on how this abnormal cold and snow just proves how much the world is warming.

Justin Burch
Reply to  Phil Salmon
October 19, 2019 12:57 pm

I hate to break it to you, but this is not abnormal cold for Manitoba. There was such a storm in 1947 and three in the 1960s. This is more like return to normal.

Davis
October 19, 2019 1:09 pm

My plan “A” (0r should that be “EH”?)
Pay off mortgage, freeing up $$$ every two weeks that can be used for other stuff, like the ever increasing carbon tax, or that new motorcycle calling my name.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Davis
October 19, 2019 1:55 pm

The rapidly increasing carbon taxes are specifically designed to transfer those extra $$$ you would otherwise buy that new MC with and hand it over to Green Slime billionaires and to the politicians they own to dole out for their votes to make them richer and more powerful.

The destruction of an affluent middle class is their goal. We are able to compete in small but vast numbers of ways with billionaire class for vacations and fossil fuels for those vacations is why they hate us so much.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 19, 2019 5:19 pm

Worse, they take the CTax from you, and ‘refund’ it to an urbanite who takes the subway to work while you 4WD through snowbanks to get to work cuz you couldn’t afford the million dollar downtown condo, and he claims he is concerned about CAGW at wine and cheese parties.

Davis
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 20, 2019 9:31 am

I love reminding my poorer, fixed income relatives, that the taxes that they pay subsidized the rich persons new electric vehicle toy.

Davis
October 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Taxes to a politician = heroin to an addict.

TomRude
October 19, 2019 3:04 pm

It is clear the Greta show in Alberta was destined to influence the elections since Trudeau met with her in Montreal a while ago…
The CBC coverage of the event has been a disgusting fawning mixed with activism. Hardly a coincidence from a public broadcaster that has served and ramped up the climate alarmist agenda in the past year leading to this election.

Boris
Reply to  TomRude
October 19, 2019 6:32 pm

The CBC is Just pushing the corrupt Trudo’s Narrative. The propaganda coming from that Fake News outlet is sickening. The latest is that Trudo is going to lose so All Canadians need to vote for the Green party or the NDP but NOT the PC’s.

observa
October 19, 2019 3:34 pm

“We can’t afford to scrap the federal carbon price. It’s as necessary as taking an antibiotic when facing a strong microbial infection.”

Well we know how that’s turned out with resistance and golden staph jumping in with it at every sneeze and wheeze with helicopter parents fearing the worst.

Boris
October 19, 2019 4:16 pm

there are a number of economic professors in Canadian universities that are pushing the narrative “THAT CARBON TAX REDUCES FUEL USAGE”. Their biggest example that these stupid taxes work is the Carbon tax on fuel in the lower mainland of BC. Oh LOOK they say the gasoline sales are down across the whole district so the tax is reducing the amount of fuel burned by drivers in the lower mainland. WRONG again. The cross border shopping trips to Washington state have increased to record levels. if you go to any gas station on the US side of the border there are line ups of BC plated cars filling their cars and as many Portable gasoline cans and containers as they can fit into their vehicles. All’s the tax did was for people to waste more fuel driving back and forth and waiting in the long lines on both sides of the border. One guy I talked to who does this saves $200.00 a month to keep his families three vehicles fueled up even with the exchange rates.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Boris
October 19, 2019 5:22 pm

F&WW analysis of B.C. carbon tax says “During the years that the tax was in place for the entire year, from 2009 to 2014, greenhouse gas emissions from taxed sources rose by a total of 4.3 percent. During this same time period, emissions from non-taxed sources fell by a total of 2.1 percent“

Yooper
Reply to  Boris
October 20, 2019 7:43 am

Same thing here in the UP of Michigan, trucks from Ontario with their beds full of jerry cans getting gas.

Tom Johnson
October 19, 2019 6:10 pm

Somewhere close to 90 percent of Canada’s population live within 100 miles of the US border. They don’t live there because they love the US, they live there because it’s the warmest region in the country. If global warming really did raise the temperature there several degrees C, vast regions of Canada’s plains would grow substantially more corn and grain, instead of a bit of winter wheat and potatoes. Canada could become an agricultural powerhouse. Besides that, instead of traveling all the way to Florida and Texas for the winter, a shorter trip to Missouri and Tennessee would do just fine. I cannot foresee anything bad that would happen to Canadian citizens.

Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 7:19 pm

“if you go to any gas station on the US side of the border there are line ups of BC plated cars filling their cars and as many Portable gasoline cans and containers as they can fit into their vehicles.”

Nope, haven’t seen that. I drive that I5 corridor a few times a week.

Earthling2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 19, 2019 8:54 pm

You have to pull off the I5 Interstate to see all the Canadian cars in Blaine, Bellingham, or more rural, Sumas, Lynden, Birch Bay area etc filling up. I cross these border crossings all the time, and sometimes the majority of vehicles at Costco gas bar and some of the malls are Cdn plates. Just not gas but shopping for groceries, clothes…even with the dollar difference it is substantial savings, like a gallon of milk. When the dollar was par, sometimes the vast majority of vehicles were Cdn and USA retailers were pushing the border guards to go a little easier for cross border shopping because it makes up a substantial part of the border town business. Very significant for the economy of northern Wa border towns, special for the hundreds of thousands of Canadians living within a few miles of the border.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Earthling2
October 20, 2019 12:32 pm

Yes, I see them all the time too. I work in Bellingham, Blaine, Ferndale, Lynden, Sumas, Custer, Deming, Burlington, Mt Vernon, etc, all the way down to Shoreling regularly, off and on the main roads.

What I don’t see are “line ups of BC plated cars filling their cars and as many Portable gasoline cans and containers as they can fit into their vehicles”. They fill up at Costco, because they’re shopping at Costco, duh. But they don’t have their vehicles filled with gas cans. I specifically quoted the hyperbole that simply isn’t true.

Earthling2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 20, 2019 10:36 pm

Yes, you right Jeff…it used to be a problem. The border guards started clamping down on folk with too many gas cans in the back seat of their car and trunk. Way too dangerous, hauling around gas like that, and too much hassle for the guards to be opening these stinking gas cans looking for other contraband. I was told 2 5 gallon jerry cans each, but they will sometimes allow 3-4 if it is busy. I don’t bother with cans of gas going north…just to save a few bucks per jug. But I will certainly fill up both tanks of diesel in my 1 ton Dodge/camper and save maybe $40-$50. That adds up.

MonnaM
October 19, 2019 7:59 pm

Nah, we have Costco. I guarantee you, we travel south for warmth.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MonnaM
October 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Then why are you clogging up the US Costco stores near the border? It’s no warmer in Bellingham than it is in Vancouver.

Earthling2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 20, 2019 6:13 pm

Cheaper milk and gas, and a lot of other stuff. It is only a 10-15 minute drive for a lot of folk, and an excuse to go to another country, although you would barely know which country you were in if there were no licence plates or flags. Everybody is pretty much the same both sides of the border, although Canada, especially in Abbotsford and Surrey/Richmond is much more urban than the agriculture areas of border town Wa. I prefer Wa, and Birch Bay in particular. A really nice hidden little getaway from the bustle of Vancouver and suburbia and is my home away from home.

snikdad
October 19, 2019 8:03 pm

Can anyone tell me of 1 election anywhere, when having an actual choice, people have voted for more, rather than less/lesser, climate action?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  snikdad
October 20, 2019 12:34 pm

I don’tn think they’re voting based on “climate action”. If such a thing happens, it’s most likely incidental.

snikdad
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 20, 2019 10:49 pm

I’ll take that as a “no”.

george1st:)
October 19, 2019 11:02 pm

Until they can prove beyond reasonable doubt , the little molecule CO2 has more affect on the worlds climate than the sun/oceans temp/currents or water vapour the science is settled mantra needs to be unsettled .
Over Time for some for serious debate on these issues which are trying to kill off life as we know it .
Education is the key , but they seem to control that as well .

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  george1st:)
October 20, 2019 12:35 pm

“CO2 has more affect on the worlds climate”

Effect.

John the Econ
October 20, 2019 3:14 am

With conservatives like this, who needs conservatives?

Doug Huffman
October 20, 2019 4:16 am

Da Convo; Tweeter without the 142 character limit.. Deprecated, impeached, ignored.

Amber
October 23, 2019 5:53 pm

Late comment but the election is over and so is the Bernie PPC revenge party . He lost and they got very little traction . Too bad in a way but the deck is heavily stacked against the Conservative Party to start with .

Almost 60% of the House of Commons seats are from two provinces Ontario and Quebec .
Five minutes after the polls closed in British Columbia the winning party was announced . British Columbia votes weren’t even counted and it was over . Considering Saskatchewan and Alberta went almost 100% Conservative Party that tells you why the west now wants out . OK at least Alberta .
Quebec which has 23% of the seats in Canada gave the separatist party BQ 40 % of their 78 seats .

In a nut shell Canada’s newly elected parliament consists of 35% Conservative and a 65 % mix of
socialists, unionists , separatists wanting their own country , and greens .
Canada is screwed .

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