Cuomo orders utility to pump imaginary natural gas

From HOT AIR

There’s been a standoff between New York City and utility company National Grid going on since May of this year. As you may recall, plans for a new natural gas pipeline from New Jersey were killed off by the state government under pressure from environmental activists. As a result, National Grid wound up imposing a moratorium on new gas hookups because the current supply was insufficient to serve additional customers. This has resulted in more than a thousand potential customers being unable to be hooked up.

Now the Governor has come up with a unique plan to end the stalemate. Using an obscure state law regulating utility companies through the power of the Public Service Commission, Andrew Cuomo (who helped kill the pipeline project) is simply ordering the utility to hook up the gas lines anyway. (New York Post)

The Cuomo administration is ordering National Grid to provide natural gas hookups to over 1,100 previously denied Brooklyn-based customers.

The Public Service Commission, the state body that licenses and oversees public utility companies, announced Friday that National Grid must provide service to customers or else face “millions of dollars in penalties.”

Previously, 1,157 customers had been denied service due to National Grid’s moratorium on all new gas hookups, announced in May.

Cuomo is accusing National Grid of “acting in bad faith” and crowing about their public responsibility to provide reliable service. But he’s simultaneously reiterating his opposition to the Williams Pipeline.

Does this guy understand what he’s asking for here? We’re also left wondering if he understands why the utility stopped authorizing new gas lines in the first place. Does he think that National Grid was simply tired of making money? Obviously they want to sign up new customers so they can begin billing them.

But there isn’t enough natural gas in the existing pipeline to keep adding more service points. If they continue to hook up new customers, you’re going to see the backpressure in the lines start dropping during peak demand hours. If you look at the configuration of a typical gas furnace installation you’ll note that if the incoming gas pressure drops too low, the furnace will simply shut down for safety reasons until the pressure is restored. The same is true for many other appliances that use natural gas or propane.

Since peak demand typically hits during a severe cold snap in the winter, what Cuomo is ordering could result in a lot of people suddenly going without heat, most likely near the furthest extreme of the gas lines. And at that point, complaining to National Grid and issuing more orders isn’t going to make the heat come back on.

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Mark Broderick
October 17, 2019 10:09 am

The socialist extreme left that has taken control of JFK’s Democrat party are simply N.U.T.S…..IMHO

David S
Reply to  Mark Broderick
October 21, 2019 11:51 am

Absolutely!

Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 10:15 am

Why politicians shouldn’t be in charge of anything.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 10:21 am

Politicians: Experts at nothing, but in charge of everything.

Bryan A
Reply to  Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 4:55 pm

Politicians like Pina Coladas and getting caught in the rain, their not into yoga but they have half a brain.

joe
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 10:34 am

It’s the New York version of California’s PG&E. With the same predictable results.

Gamecock
Reply to  joe
October 18, 2019 6:09 am

Agreed. When pressure drops ensue and people lose their heat, New York will sue National Grid for killing people.

I wonder if Warren Buffet is standing by to deliver gas by train. An oft repeated conspiracy theory is that the Dems were against Keystone XL because heavy donor Buffet wanted the oil transport business. Rail transport is way more risky than pipeline transport. Donations are far more important than safety.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Gamecock
October 18, 2019 9:48 am

Engineers are bound by statute (at least in Canada) to not do anything that puts the public at risk. I’m sure this is true in all advanced countries. The engineer can over-ride his boss or any statute! Mind you I recommend going to your boss to try resolve the potential problem.

Oh, only if the sciences were so bound. We wouldn’t have 75% of present climate scientists in practice. Engineers also are required to keep their competence current. Sub “best practices” can lead to your licence being lifted and and your use of the appelation “engineer” punishable by law.

No wonder engineering is such a lofty, productive profession. Science used to have rigorous standards for admission into a course of study. Now they have diluted the calling with scads of meaningless faculties, blurred the boundaries between science and social science, and handed out carloads of empty PhDs as participation trophies. Note that they prefer to be simply called ‘scientist’. When you check out their qualifications they frequently turn out to be science-free.

MattS
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 10:38 am

Anyone who desires power/authority is unworthy of it.

Dr Deanster
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 1:13 pm

Not without accountability. If someone dies because of this, Cuomo should be brought up on charges of manslaughter.

joel
Reply to  Dr Deanster
October 17, 2019 5:58 pm

They will blame “the utility.” Everybody walks.

Charles Higley
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 17, 2019 6:26 pm

Ah, Cuomo, knowing that heating systems will shot off until pressure is returned, simply sees this as a self-leveling system. Everybody’s systems will be going off and on, but he can claim that everybody has gas. As the hookups increase, the off-cycle will simply increase.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  Charles Higley
October 18, 2019 1:04 pm

Of course, when demand exceeds supply, the people who are more equal will be more likely to get an equal share of the limited supply.

Sioned Lang
Reply to  Charles Higley
October 19, 2019 9:53 am

This is how “Medicare for All” will work. Not enough supply [doctors] in the pipeline, delivery drops [no actual care], but everyone has access [a pipe hooked up to the house.

Mark
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 18, 2019 6:47 am

Politicians should be guiding coherent policy, not micromanaging discrete bits.

God help us when east coast disfunctionals micromanage the nation’s farms.

Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 10:19 am

What’s the big deal? They can cook with dung and heat their home with trash, the green utopia.

brians356
Reply to  Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 4:14 pm

“Now and then an innocent man is sent to the legislature.” Kin Hubbard

Nick Werner
Reply to  Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 5:01 pm

In San Francisco cooking with dung could solve two problems at once!

John Stover
Reply to  Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 6:35 pm

As a newly minted American Foreign Service Officer in 1979 my first posting was to Muqdishu, Soomaliya. They didn’t have an agreed upon written language until 1960 so foreigners never had any reasonable way to learn the language until years later. As the junior officer in the Embassy I was the designated dogsbody for most of the trash tasks. I was asked by the Agency for International Development Director to find out why Somalia had fewer miles of paved roads in 1979 than they did at independence in 1960. Talking to the usual Somali diplomatic cocktail party goers turned up no useful information so I violated the common diplomatic practice and actually left the city and visited and talked to village people. Answer was simple. When camel dung supply was low the wife lucky enough to live by a paved asphalt road went out and dug out pieces to burn in their earthen stoves. (Hard to light but long burning) Younger kids were sent further down the roads to bring back ever more pieces. By the ‘80s the roads were mostly trashed. Still are since even the Chinese aren’t interested in investing in Somalia.

The AID Director refused to put that in the telegram back to the Department as he thought it reflected poorly on the populace. Can you imagine the health implications of eating food infused with heated petroleum products? Much less the poor women leaning over the ovens inhaling the fumes.

October 17, 2019 10:20 am

Every endeavor should have a name.
“imaginary natural gas” could be pumped by the Potemkin Company.
Witht he marketing handled by Pravda.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Bob Hoye
October 17, 2019 10:50 am

Sadly the gas in not imaginary. It is there, but simply not enough to go around.
They are scraping too little marmalade on even more toast.

All may be fine until it isn’t. Then we can sit back and say “I told you so.”
What we must NOT allow to happen is for public complacency and acceptance that this is the way it has to be, because it certainly is not.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 17, 2019 11:47 am

There is plenty enough NG if they would only quadruple+ the pump pressure on the supply side ……. and if the regulators don’t start blowing apart and thingys going “KABOOM” …… then happy days are on the horizon.

Cliff Hilton
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 17, 2019 1:32 pm

I’m with you, Samuel. Increase line-loss and erosion is the result. All good?

LdB
Reply to  Cliff Hilton
October 17, 2019 5:06 pm

That is good meets desired outcome of the green idea.

noone_of_consequence
Reply to  Cliff Hilton
October 18, 2019 5:19 am

Not to mention having to replace all the compressor stations that are about 50 mi apart.

Yeah, that’ll be cheaper, easier, and with less environmental impact that just installing another line in the same ROW.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 18, 2019 4:12 am

The other “fix” to improve supply volume is ……. fix the “leaky” NG piping that is buried underground, some of which has been buried there for nigh onto 100 years.

But the cost of the lost NG is not worth the cost of the “fixin”.

MikeP
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 17, 2019 11:56 am

Do what the former soviet union did, dilute the gas so the pressure stays up. Just fewer calories per unit volume … until you dilute it enough that the appliances won’t work. Up to that point you make more money by charging for energy not delivered.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  MikeP
October 17, 2019 12:44 pm

Dilute it with CO2 and claim the carbon credits for doing so.

Everyone satisfied.

If only engineers could think like politicians all problems (including the impossible) can be solved.

TRM
Reply to  Ken Irwin
October 17, 2019 4:15 pm

Lmao. I like the way you think. Sly, very sly

Taphonomic
Reply to  Ken Irwin
October 18, 2019 10:54 am

Dilute it with unicorn farts.

michael hart
Reply to  MikeP
October 17, 2019 1:45 pm

Cynical but smart. One of my previous employers loved selling our chemical compounds as hydrates where possible. And reactions that added multiple bromines or iodines to a molecule were a godsend because of the increase in mass of the molecule. Customers often really are that dim.

Having said that, could this energy utility get round the problem in the short term by building more gas storage to smooth out the peaks and troughs in the demand cycle? Costs money, I know.

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  michael hart
October 17, 2019 3:15 pm

eGas?

BG
Reply to  michael hart
October 17, 2019 3:50 pm

Do you really believe that they would approve a new gas storage facility? If there is any carma maybe the politicians homes will be the first to run out of gas..

Robert Beckman
Reply to  michael hart
October 17, 2019 4:28 pm

They would have to do so near the end points, which while technically possible may be practically impossible due to regulations.

Think of it like an on-demand water heater compared to a conventional water heater. As long as your flow rate is low enough, and on demand (tankless) system works fine. But if you have a very high demand (10 showers operating at once) the flow rate through it isn’t high enough, while a ranked water heater can be sized accordingly – just add larger diameter piping.

But you say, a tanked water heater will run out – exactly true, so you have the size the whole system for both maximum flow rate (pipe size and pressure) and total volume flowed over time (storage capacity).

Losing the NJ gas means that the peak demand volume (high flow rate for a relatively short period of time) can’t be met. Adding local reservoirs could help, but who wants a fuel-air bomb anywhere near their property?

noone_of_consequence
Reply to  michael hart
October 18, 2019 5:22 am

On the ***surface** that might seem plausible. But if they’re complaining about enviro impact on existing ROWs, what would adding big honking tanks do ?

Plus, what do you do with a 3-day cold snap ? How BIG are these tanks going to be ?

The solution is obvious. Replace the corrupt, idiot governor with someone with an IQ above 50.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  michael hart
October 19, 2019 4:11 am

You all are thinking NG ……. but talking a “fix” for gasoline or fuel oil.

Building bigger NG storage tanks when there is no such thing to begin with (except for liquified transport) is not an easy thing to do.

Iffen you wan t more NG in the northeast or east, …. ya either the line pressure or you construct new pipelines ….. which is what they are currently doing.

Like this one, ……

Aug 6, 2019, 09:34am — Originating in Texas, we track nearly 40 pipelines covering 11,000 miles either being built or in pre-construction development.

Just a few days ago the DC Circuit Court of Appeals upheld FERC orders approving the 197-mile, 1.7 Bcf/d Atlantic Sunrise Project (connecting PA gas to mid-Atlantic markets), denying numerous objections from anti-gas environmental groups.

Paul Drahn
Reply to  MikeP
October 19, 2019 9:21 am

The government is already doing that with gasoline and Diesel oil. Adding methanol to gasoline gives more volume, but less mileage. Adding biodiesel to the oil makes more volume, but gives less MPG. Taxes per gallon don’t change, so everyone wins except the driver.

walt
Reply to  Paul Drahn
October 19, 2019 10:27 am

Supposedly the tax revenue issue will be solved when people will pay for miles traveled. Government will want to collect taxes at the pump and also for miles driven plus tolls for using the roads.

walt
Reply to  Paul Drahn
October 19, 2019 10:30 am

California’s tax on gasoline fluctuates with the price of a barrel of oil.
It is not a fixed price per gallon.

DCE
Reply to  Paul Drahn
October 20, 2019 10:16 am

Methanol? I think you mean ethanol.

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  Bob Hoye
October 17, 2019 12:30 pm

Virtual Gas

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Bob Hoye
October 17, 2019 12:41 pm

iGas ?

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Jean Parisot
October 18, 2019 7:50 am

CryptoGas ™ !

Costing more energy to calculate that it produces 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Bob Hoye
October 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Reminds me of the EPA requiring that refineries add an additive that didn’t exist to every gallon of gasoline that was produced.

DCE
Reply to  MarkW
October 20, 2019 10:25 am

Yeah, I recall that. The EPA required a certain percentage of the ethanol blended into gasoline come from cellulosic ethanol, i.e. made from switch grass. The problem is that they weren’t able to scale up cellulosic ethanol production to meet the requirements. But that didn’t mean anything to the EPA so it wouldn’t roll back the requirement despite there being a significant shortage of cellulosic ethanol.

ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 10:21 am

It’s the California energy plan based on finger pointing.

Sunny
October 17, 2019 10:23 am

What happened to solar/wind power 😐 The greens want no gas, Oh well they can freeze to death or power massive electricity bills when they have to runthe heaters all day long

“natural gas pipeline from New Jersey were killed off by the state government under pressure from environmental activists”

Mickey Reno
October 17, 2019 10:24 am

Cuomo – Double dumb ass on you.

(h/t James T. Kirk in “Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home”)

Jeff Labute
Reply to  Mickey Reno
October 17, 2019 12:28 pm

Hey Mickey,

Maybe you shouldn’t be using colorful metaphors. You don’t seem to have the knack for it. Let me give it a go.

Cuomo – Double dumb ass on you!

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Jeff Labute
October 17, 2019 1:12 pm

Yes, I see what you mean. Yours was way better.

ronk
Reply to  Jeff Labute
October 17, 2019 1:35 pm

no no, that’s Fredo – Double dumb ass on you

Keitho
Editor
October 17, 2019 10:24 am

What a chop. Are New Yorkers generally this dim?

SMC
Reply to  Keitho
October 17, 2019 10:31 am

They elected Cuomo. They elected AOC. The evidence suggests that, yes, they are that dim.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  SMC
October 17, 2019 10:50 am

The people aren’t that stupid.

However, this is what politicians can do when they essentially have 100% control of the media.

When the next polar vortex hits, and furnaces go off due to low gas pressure, we will have newspaper stories about greedy corporations and video clips on the evening news featuring a little old lady who almost froze to death in her house.

Not one item during this time frame will mention that the state legislature blocked construction of a gas pipeline to feed the utility distribution system.

TomB
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
October 17, 2019 11:27 am

All too true, that’s exactly what will happen.

Joe B
Reply to  TomB
October 17, 2019 1:21 pm

A gas shutoff actually occurred in Newport, Rhode Island this past winter during a cold snap.
Customers at the end of the distribution line were without fuel for several days due to insufficient line pressure.
The media simply reported it as ‘due to a valve issue’ while not describing that the ‘valve issue’was a safety shut down due to low pressure.

John Endicott
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
October 17, 2019 11:34 am

The people aren’t that stupid.

Their voting choices suggest otherwise.

noone_of_consequence
Reply to  John Endicott
October 18, 2019 5:29 am

Well, it is complicated. Thanks to neglect, the rural upstate has been losing purple/red population because businesses are shutting down or leaving at a significanr rate.. This tilts the voting population to blue, then to idiot blue, then to OMG STUPID blue.

The NY state Senate used to be in control of the Republicans. Now it and the state Assembly are both democrat and a rubber-stamp for a corrupt, idiot governor. Who shut down his own ethics commission — which says something about his own ethics.

The demographic trend also explains how NY state went from one R and one D U.S. senator to 2 democrats. Both of whom are polemic and stupid.

I tell my not-so-stupid friends “HAVE KIDS! Demographics is destiny.”

MarkW
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
October 17, 2019 3:12 pm

Then the same politicians that caused this problem in the first place will start to declare that this proves that the private sector cannot be allowed to control vital economic sectors. For the safety of the citizens, these vital sectors must be taken over by government so that they can be run by the sons and daughters of powerful politicians.

LarryD
Reply to  MarkW
October 17, 2019 6:31 pm

Which will make things even worse, but people dying won’t ever make the news.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
October 18, 2019 5:24 am

so why doent the gas supplier run the truth in a few days full page main papers?
or fkbook or twit whatever?
point out the stupidity of the bans and the proposals and let the people sort the ptb out

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  SMC
October 17, 2019 11:52 am

It is a DEEP, DEEP, DEEP “blue” city …… in a “blue” state.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 17, 2019 5:22 pm

One New Yorker told told me that New York generated all their own electricity and fuel. Yes that are that dim.

Kenji
Reply to  Mark Luhman
October 17, 2019 10:48 pm

Yes they do! NYC is powered by steam! I’ve even SEEN the natural steam vents in the streets … with all sorts of EXCESS steam pouring out! Seems as though NYC cannot even USE all the natural power it’s sitting on. /sarc.

Christopher R Pastel
Reply to  SMC
October 17, 2019 10:07 pm

What makes you think the people had any say in this? New York will, for all practical purposes, elect a Democrat as governor. Does not matter who it is. So, the choice is actually made at the primary level, and the local Dem bosses (not the politicians) across the state decide who can be in the primaries. So in reality it’s the local Dem bosses who decide who will be the next governor of the state.

If someone totally unsuitable is chosen by the bosses, a RINO such as George Pataki can sneak in. But with New York State being 60% Democrats, due to the big cities of Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany along with New York City all being Democrat strongholds, the voters who think have no say in the matter.

Well, they have a little say: once they are freed from their jobs, they can vote with their feet. So, once we retired, we left the most horrible nanny state ever.

Schitzree
Reply to  Keitho
October 17, 2019 10:36 am

Just the Left leaning ones…

So ya, most of them.

~¿~

J Mac
Reply to  Keitho
October 17, 2019 10:51 am

“Think of this as a teaching moment…”, as Barackward Hussein Obama like to intone. We see Londoners cleaning Extinction Rebellion slime off the tops of their stalled commuter trains. Mayhap New Yorkers will take a lesson and clean house on the corrupt Cuomo regime.

Rud Istvan
October 17, 2019 10:25 am

Reality is a bitch, Cuomo.
Such a winter cold snap disaster MIGHT rectify this nuttiness. But maybe not.

peterh
Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 17, 2019 11:47 pm

Perhaps to be seen in a few months:
“The Peasants Are Revolting”
“You Can Say That Again”

Editor
October 17, 2019 10:27 am

This is Henry Waxman-stupid.

“We’re seeing the reality of a lot of the North Pole starting to evaporate, and we could get to a tipping point. Because if it evaporates to a certain point – they have lanes now where ships can go that couldn’t ever sail through before. And if it gets to a point where it evaporates too much, there’s a lot of tundra that’s being held down by that ice cap…”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/06/on-oldie-but-a-goody-7-years-later-failed-waxman-markey-bill-still-failed/

After babbling about the North Pole evaporating he actually said this:

“Well, I think we’re going to be a lot more innovative when we put the profit motive – the market mechanisms in place that will give a very clear incentive. If we raise the price of energy, which will happen if we’re reducing the amount of carbon emissions, and industries have to figure out how to live in a carbon-constrained environment, they are going to have to figure it out because it’s in their profitable interest to figure it out.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/quote-of-the-week-5-waxmans-stunningly-stupid-statement/#comment-111250

It takes Henry Waxman-grade stupidity to think that you can legislate to punish the utility company for failing to deliver natural gas to customers, while legislating that the natural gas can’t be delivered to customers.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  David Middleton
October 17, 2019 11:05 am

Heck yeah, the government has to make its money one way or another.
If they aren’t earning enough tax revenue from selling fuel (because there isn’t enough fuel) simply fine the fuel companies for not providing fuel they don’t have, thereby making up the shortfall in lost revenues.

Hey, bloated parasites gotta eat too ya’know.

mike the morlock
Reply to  David Middleton
October 17, 2019 1:41 pm

David Middleton October 17, 2019 at 10:27 am
I think Cuomo’s intent is to force the utility to divert the N.G. that is going to New England to the new hook ups.
Remember David this is New York. Never miss a chance screw over a neighboring state ‘Were you still in Ct during the ‘toll tokes” wars?
For those of you unfamiliar, both CT and NY used the same company to make their tokens.
In CT they were 35 cents for the road tolls. For NY they were 75 cents for thee New York subway. as you can guess they were interchangeable. New York demanded CT stop using its tokens and threatened legal action.
New Yorkers of course to vote with they feet and cross over to CT and buy the tokens.
Now thats socialism!

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/07/nyregion/17-1-2-accord-puts-and-end-to-the-great-token-war.html

michael

Reply to  mike the morlock
October 17, 2019 1:55 pm

I moved to Texas in 1981. Although, I did work as a State Park Patrolman in the summers of 1979 and 1980. Our park, Squantz Pond, was flooded with New Yorkers every weekend. At the time, Connecticut had a “bottle bill” and New York didn’t. Very few New Yorkers were aware of this and every weekend our trash cans were filled with beer cans & bottles that were worth $0.05 each. Both summers, our maintenance crew saved up enough money for a group trip to NY Mets games… 😉

Rud Istvan
Reply to  David Middleton
October 17, 2019 5:06 pm

I have a similar story from second year college. So, upperclassmen (non freshmen) were responsible for furnishing their lodgings (‘Houses’ much fancier than dorms since most also had a living room replete with a working fireplace) way beyond simple bunkbeds and desk dorm rooms.
So I realized that graduating seniors had to get rid of their suddenly useless House stuff. The Houses had a tradition of subterranean summer basement storage with numbered ‘tickets’, since these Houses were also used by the University for summer program barebones dorm students.

So, I went around my and the closest houses end of freshman spring term inspecting all the stuff stored on senior tickets (to be abandoned), and bought all the best and least roached on the super cheap. Spent total maybe $1k. Then in the fall, furnished my sophomore House place (5 guys) with the best and sold the rest to sophomores needing stuff. Best part was, my roomies moved all of our stuff, and those who bought my tickets had to move theirs. Made my first financial 10x in less than one year killing without breaking a sweat. Repeated third year—but not my senior year!

Taught me a life lesson to work smart, not hard—although both is better.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 17, 2019 6:40 pm

If you can work smart, you know when to work hard…😎

Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 28, 2019 10:27 am

Granddad used to say “Use your head for something other than a hat rack, so you won’t have to use your back. Born in the 1890s, in the Jim Crow South. Grandma went to the Jim Crow North to find a job; was good at piece-work, and found herself having to come back South (to survive ’cause she would have been lynched, maybe, she never said so?). Thus my Mom came to be, and thus me.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  David Middleton
October 17, 2019 1:56 pm

It’s almost like they read Atlas Shrugged and thought that Wesley Mooch had some pretty good ideas.

Reply to  Robert W Turner
October 17, 2019 2:09 pm

Yep.

markl
October 17, 2019 10:35 am

Wait for the Greens to gain more control and see what happens. We will be going from one unintended consequence to the next. The sad part is those in control of the Greens will be seeing their wishes come true.

Michael Jankowski
October 17, 2019 10:37 am

So give them a hookup. Then shut the valve.

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 17, 2019 12:43 pm

For every regular customer hooked up, disconnect a government office or one of Cuomo’s donors.

James Bull
Reply to  Jean Parisot
October 18, 2019 2:21 am

Sounds like a plan I like.
Start with his Lordships office and or home let him feel the minions pain.

James Bull

Brian bishop
October 17, 2019 10:37 am

And they don’t know for gas shutoff. Wait til they experience this. Protocol, which I have debated the necessity for but is not with no merit, is to check every affected customer before turning back on interrupted service. A two hour foible with a frozen valve last winter that cut pressure and caused service shutdown at extreme of the line involved on aqiudneck island (Newport) RI, caused a two week oitage.!

MarkW
Reply to  Brian bishop
October 17, 2019 3:19 pm

Further explanation: A lot of older furnaces, water heaters, stoves, etc did not have any kind of automatic shut off on the pilot light. When the gas was turned off, the pilot lights went out. When the gas was turned back on, unless someone lit the pilot lights, gas would just flow into the home from each device until someone either someone noticed, or something more dramatic happened.

LarryD
Reply to  MarkW
October 17, 2019 6:35 pm

“more dramatic” = an earth shattering Ka-Boom!

Alan
Reply to  LarryD
October 18, 2019 11:06 pm

or sometimes, somebody not waking up the next morning…

ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 10:37 am

With a hard winter coming with stronger nor’easters there will be a lot more finger pointing to come. It couldn’t happen in a more appropriate place though, except maybe Markey Land.

MarkW
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 3:20 pm

Probably won’t happen this year. Not enough time to hook up a lot of new customers between the time of the order and the coldest part of winter.
Next year however could be another story. Just long enough for most people to forget about Cuomo’s order.

Richard Kiser
October 17, 2019 10:37 am

The Gov orders more directives and Atlas Shrugged.

J Mac
Reply to  Richard Kiser
October 17, 2019 11:07 am

Quite apropos, Richard!

Reply to  Richard Kiser
October 17, 2019 12:45 pm

That is exactly what I thought. And based on the book, when the cold hits, the utility company will get the blame.

ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 10:41 am

But Captain, the replicators are offline!

beng135
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 18, 2019 8:58 am

On Star-Trek shows, the most common line is “Something” is offline. Then the captain orders — “Switch to secondary “something”. You’d think with that highly advanced technology, backups would come online automatically…..

John Endicott
Reply to  beng135
October 18, 2019 12:18 pm

apparently the automatic switching is also offline 😉

Alan
Reply to  beng135
October 18, 2019 11:07 pm

need a backup Governor in NY?

J Mac
October 17, 2019 10:44 am

NY Governor Cuomo repeals fluid flow physics, demonstrating democrat smartitude.
Details to follow – Film of freezing citizens in January. Gas utility will be blamed.

czechlist
Reply to  J Mac
October 17, 2019 5:38 pm

I recall “The New Ice Age” of the late 1970s which the CAGW alarmists now deny happened.
Texas was pumping NG to the frozen NE but we Texans were paying much higher prices per CuFt because of interstate commerce laws – and we were freezing and had gasoline shortages down here as well.
Bumper stickers appeared – “Leave your lights on and freeze a Yankee!”
I am always amused when I hear that people can’t live in the South without air conditioning.
I’m 70 and grew up without A/C. How many Northerners grew up without heat?

John M
October 17, 2019 10:53 am

They grow them stupid in CA and NY

“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.”

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/693772

Terry Shipman
October 17, 2019 10:54 am

When I first read of the Williams pipeline being blocked I did picture the awful scenario in my mind of blizzard or near-blizzard conditions hitting the area and gas pressure dropping and tens of thousands of people losing heat. And then they are trapped in their freezing homes because they can’t get out of their homes to a warm shelter. And the rescue services can’t get to them because of the blizzard conditions. But of course we were assured years ago that ice and snow would become a thing of the past. Tell that to the farmers up north in the US and Canada right about now.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Terry Shipman
October 17, 2019 11:18 am

Sadly, it will take a few of these self-imposed disasters to catch the attention of the general public. When the frozen pipes cause widespread property damage and deaths start accumulating due to lack of heat, people will take notice, but may not yet understand what they have done to themselves. When this happens we MUST NOT allow the simpletons to say this was all caused by climate change. The blame must fall squarely on those who perpetrated it, ignorant and small minded politicians.

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 17, 2019 12:49 pm

These self inflicted disasters probably will not happen until at least winter 2020-21 The new hookups will not be installed overnight, and these first 1100 or so hookups may not be enough to cause the failure (there is likely some margin built into the limits). By then, no one will remember the anything about the Williams pipeline or even this crazy Cuomo order. the blame will be placed directly on National Grid. When they are sued, maybe they will file for bankruptcy like PG&E did.

Robert MacLellan
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
October 17, 2019 3:06 pm

The proper thing for National Grid to do is comply… while demanding releases of liability from each and every customer in the affected area, new or old. These releases should be graphic in their descriptions of the potential problems and repeatedly state why they are doing it. Anyone who won’t sign is cut off for liability insurance reasons.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Terry Shipman
October 17, 2019 12:10 pm

blizzard or near-blizzard conditions hitting the area and gas pressure dropping and tens of thousands of people losing heat.

Yup, that is a BIG problem when one “heats” with NG.

And the reason you can‘t get rid of “fossil fuel” heating, …… the “fuel oil” kind.

All across the north east, from Buffalo to Boston, homes and businesses have at least one, many have two, …… 250 gallon fuel oil tanks supplying their furnace.

David Baird
October 17, 2019 11:04 am

Looks like he’s trying to out-Fredo his brother. And maybe National Grid should shut off gas to the Governor’s Mansion. They can always say they did it for the environment.

John Endicott
Reply to  David Baird
October 17, 2019 11:32 am

Looks like he’s trying to out-Fredo his brother

That will that some considerable doing as his brother is the most Fredo of Fredos

John Endicott
October 17, 2019 11:07 am

Their response should be “if we do as you ask there will be rolling outages of service as there isn’t enough gas to provide reliable service to everyone at the same time due to your own actions in refusing the pipeline” and then follow through with such rolling outages. Let the people of New York suffer the consequences voting such idiots into office. Perhaps then they’ll learn to vote more wisely next time.

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
October 17, 2019 11:31 am

And also, they should advertise the facts of why New Yorkers service will be so unreliable with fliers to their customers and TV, newspaper, and radio Ads. Let it be known to all an sundry why it’s happening and what the likely consequences will be and what needs to be done to fix the situation so that when the $#!& hits the fan they can say “we warned you, but you didn’t listen”.

Berndt Koch
Reply to  John Endicott
October 17, 2019 4:04 pm

Yep.. pop a note on the next bill they send

John the Econ
October 17, 2019 11:20 am

This is “Progressivism”: Turning a first-world energy infrastructure into a third-world one. At least we know who to blame when the lights and furnaces start going out.

gringojay
October 17, 2019 11:21 am

Will bringing livestock indoors during cold weather make a comeback in the state?

knr
October 17, 2019 11:22 am

The fun part comes that the supplier is taken to court for failing to supply by the city .
However as New York is one of those cities that looking for big money from ‘evil fossil fuel ‘ companies because of ‘climate doom’
Perhaps they should stop supplying ‘evil fossil fuel ‘ to these cities to save them from ‘climate doom’?

John Endicott
Reply to  knr
October 17, 2019 12:23 pm

+42

THX1138
October 17, 2019 11:26 am

Being impolite ‘Muricans, we don’t call stupid people “dim”. Case in point:

In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific island, Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific fleet.

“My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize,” Johnson said. Willard paused and replied, “We don’t anticipate that.”

ozspeaksup
Reply to  THX1138
October 18, 2019 5:34 am

and how he kept a straight face hearing that?
hand it to him for self control

Kenneth Mitchell
October 17, 2019 11:41 am

Supply and Demand. To increase the supply (or decrease the demand) just increase the price.

The utility can say, “We are unable to obtain additional natural gas. To decrease the usage and allow all customers to get some, we’re doubling the price, to encourage conservation. Please contact the Governor if this is unacceptable to you.”

John Endicott
Reply to  Kenneth Mitchell
October 17, 2019 12:23 pm

That can only carry things so far. Come a really cold and miserable winter day (say during blizzard conditions) the people aren’t going to be thinking about how much the bill will be next month, they’ll only be thinking of the conditions they’re currently facing as they all attempt to heat their homes only to find that there isn’t enough gas in the system to supply them all.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Kenneth Mitchell
October 17, 2019 12:39 pm

Sadly, the energy delivery market is not so free from economic encumbrances to allow that course of action. It is a state sanctioned quasi-monopoly that is privately owned, but governmentally regulated.
I suspect (as it is here in CA) that the price of gas is controlled by state law and the utilities cannot unilaterally increase the price.
This is what happens when the government seizes de-facto control of the monopoly. They set the price, they determine who gets deliveries, and they preclude any and all competition.

Alan
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 18, 2019 11:14 pm

Even if they could just raise the price, there needs to be a corresponding increase in supply. Want to make any bets how long it would take to build, certify, support, and schedule enough trains of LNG tank cars to supply the shortfall, which would occur in the worst weather to be doing all that?
Utilities work because they plan ahead, unless they can’t.

doug
October 17, 2019 12:25 pm

You’d think with all that easy shale production in NY……oh, never mind..

Tailspintom
October 17, 2019 12:30 pm

Didn’t Chavez and Maduro have the same plan for Venezuelan oil? Yea, that worked out pretty well.

Sara
October 17, 2019 12:43 pm

Hmm. That’s interesting. Adding adequate hookups to keep people warm in the winter and able to cook their food is a no-no, but then hooking them up on lines that that the pressure too low to deliver the NG safely is what follows. I guess Cuomo just thinks that heat suddenly exists in cold weather because someone flipped a switch? I’m mystified as to why, in Brooklyn of all places, anyone should be deprived of basic utilities in the first place, but if any of those people voted for that marone, they got what they asked for.

I am quite glad that I live in a place where the gas and electric utilities are – so far – not affected by the idiocy of politicians with no understanding of how utilities work. I”m also glad that my gas bill is affordable, in view of that proposal a while back to raise the per them cost basis by a factor of some thousands, for no reason other than they thought they could. Yeah, that didn’t go very far, did it?

If this ignorant and apparently insane mindset – that all natural things like NG are going to somehow “destroy” the planet — ever dies back to the algae bloom that birthed it, would you all please let me know? I’d appreciate it. I’m not exactly thrilled with the idea of chopping wood to cook and keep warm, but if I have to start that, I will.

Alan
Reply to  Sara
October 18, 2019 11:17 pm

Sara – the kind of mindset that thinks heat is magic and unrelated to fuel supply is also the kind of mindset that would legislate against cutting wood “to preserve the environment”. You must be lucky in where you live…

Stevek
October 17, 2019 12:44 pm

Many on the left, not all but many, believe in emotions over physical laws. They believe the laws of physics don’t apply to their wishes. It is a sad situation.

commieBob
Reply to  Stevek
October 17, 2019 1:41 pm

It’s called magical thinking.

In psychiatry, magical thinking is a disorder of thought content; here it denotes the false belief that one’s thoughts, actions, or words will cause or prevent a specific consequence in some way that defies commonly understood laws of causality.

LarryD
Reply to  commieBob
October 17, 2019 6:44 pm

Non-magical thinking is white supremacy. I wish I was kidding.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/what-is-white-supremacy.php

Killer Marmot
October 17, 2019 12:53 pm

Some days the headlines seem ripped from “1984”, other days it’s “Atlas Shrugged.” Today it’s the latter.

beng135
Reply to  Killer Marmot
October 18, 2019 12:40 pm

And don’t forget “Brave New World”.

ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 1:09 pm

The heating oil dealers association thanks you.

commieBob
October 17, 2019 1:22 pm

… what Cuomo is ordering could result in a lot of people suddenly going without heat …

Some folks will get the clever idea to fire up the BBQ inside to cook and warm up the house. That seems to happen every winter with tragic consequences. I wonder if Cuomo can be held liable?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  commieBob
October 17, 2019 2:10 pm

People will buy wood-burning stoves and chop down Central Park.

ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 1:37 pm

Is Yoko okay with this use of fossil fuels?

Sara
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Who cares what that cow thinks? Cut off her heat and see how SHE likes it!!!

beng135
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 18, 2019 12:43 pm

Yes, as long as she can sue users for copyright infringements.

Rudolf Huber
October 17, 2019 2:02 pm

2013 a new political party managed to enter parliament in Austria. I was very close to some of the principles at the time when the party formed and stayed close quite some time while they became a feature of Austrian politics. They promised to stay close to the needs of the people and to push for changes. Years later I met one of their leaders in the corridors of the parliament and he asked me why I did not come to see them anymore. I told him that even I was amazed about how fast they had grown used to the perks of power. In record time they had shed their roots and became the same arrogant, removed snobs as all the others. And thats the way it is all over the world. Cuomo could not understand reality if it slapped him in the face. The needs of the people are nuisances at best. And a paper solution is a solution.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 17, 2019 2:07 pm

When the pressure drops start by discontinuing the supply to the mayor’s private residence(s) and his office.

RLu
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 18, 2019 2:47 am

Secretly install constrictors in “selected” supply lines……..

Sheri
October 17, 2019 2:25 pm

“Atlas Shrugged” never rang more true.

When the imaginary gas produces imaginary heat, the imaginary angry people will show up at the capital and demand shelter with heat. One can always hope the imaginary angry people glue themselves to the capital doors and to each other, for warmth, of course.

October 17, 2019 2:37 pm

Most politicians do not have the intellectual capabilities of a four-year-old child which is why they enthusiastically embrace the idea of the fraudulent ‘Global Warming/Climate Change’ propaganda and fail to understand the science it violates.

Sommer
October 17, 2019 2:45 pm
October 17, 2019 2:47 pm

Why does this article remind me of old Adolf in the bunker under Berlin barking out orders for the deployment of armies that no longer exist and generals who no longer obey?

JimG1
October 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Remember, this guy is Fredo’s smart dumb brother.

jtom
October 17, 2019 3:34 pm

Now if I were scripting the future:

The winter after the hookups were installed would be severe for a prolonged period.
In the attempt to supply NG to everyone, no one gets enough on a reliable basis to keep their homes heated.
Home Depot, Lowes, and Amazon sell out of electric heaters.
Everyone tries to supplement their NG heat by using those electric heaters.
The electric powercos can not handle the demand surge, and begin rolling blackouts.
Pandemonium ensues.
Politicians are stripped, tarred and feathered, and dumped in the cold. Someone notes that tar is a fossil fuel. Everyone cheers.

Scott
Reply to  jtom
October 18, 2019 9:04 am

Were I a heating contractor, I would put together a package to convert furnaces to dual fuel (NG and Propane) and aggressively market it as a your can freeze next winter, or you can pay me now.

rah
October 17, 2019 3:43 pm

So another socialist sets his state up to Beta test “The New Green Deal”. Was up in Western NY this week. Fall colors just coming in well now.

Walter Sobchak
October 17, 2019 4:05 pm

I say hook them up and let them freeze in the dark.

John F. Hultquist
October 17, 2019 4:55 pm

Every winter there is someone someplace that attempts to warm a confined space with charcoal.
Officials should start ASAP to warn folks not to do this. Insofar as many big cities have residents with no, or little, English this warning fails to reach some people.
Carbon monoxide from burning coal, wood, charcoal, oil, kerosene, propane, and natural gas, is dangerous at low concentrations. It is not CO2. Chemistry is your friend.

One estimate: “In the US, more than 400 Americans die each year from carbon monoxide poisoning, 4,000 are hospitalized, and another 20,000 visit emergency rooms due to exposure.”

Marv
October 17, 2019 5:18 pm

Related to this article (from Feb 14, 2019) …

HOLYOKE — Holyoke Gas and Electric (HG&E) has imposed a moratorium on new natural gas connections for residential and business customers, citing no increases in pipeline capacity by Berkshire Gas and Columbia Gas of Massachusetts.

In a statement, HG&E said the “load has grown significantly and is now operating at capacity during peak periods,” which triggered the moratorium on new gas connections. A Tennessee Gas pipeline,

known as the Northampton Lateral, became “severely constrained” as a result of high demand in the last 20 years.

Berkshire and Columbia began implementing service moratoriums in 2014, which were also related to the Northampton Lateral capacity problem.

HG&E suggested existing customers could improve their existing service by replacing aging gas furnaces, stoves or water heaters, but only if the “load profile does not increase and the service was active as of Dec. 31, 2018.”

The utility said it could accommodate specific commercial and industrial requests, which also are dependent on load profile and “the ability for those new customers to utilize dual fuel during peak periods on HG&E’s interruptible rate.”

HG&E further stated that while the nation’s natural gas supply is plentiful, the current pipeline infrastructure is lacking.

“Recent proposals that would increase natural gas capacity in the region have been met with opposition, and the current pipeline constraints are causing significant adverse environmental and economic impacts on the region’s ratepayers,” read the statement.

Neighbor to Neighbor, a Holyoke-based group, opposes increased capacity, citing environmental and safety concerns. Several members of the group recently addressed the Holyoke City Council’s Development and Government Relations Committee chaired by Ward 4 Councilor David K. Bartley.

James Lavelle, HG&E’s manager, countered by stating that New England utilities burned 2 million barrels of oil during a 15-day “cold spell” in January 2018, which exceeded the total consumed in 2017.

Holyoke Gas and Electric imposes moratorium on new natural gas service – masslive.com
https://www.masslive.com/news/2019/02/holyoke_gas_and_electric_impos.html

JoeShaw
October 17, 2019 6:56 pm

Why could the utility not provide the gas hookups via low pressure shut-off valves set to trip at a pressure somewhat higher than the shut-offs on the supply mains?

If the utility provided full disclosure regarding the limitations of the new connections, and the customers agreed to the reduced reliability and the added cost of including shut-offs, they could be added without jeopardizing supplies to current customers.

Just saying.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  JoeShaw
October 21, 2019 10:30 am

That’s called an “interruptible rate”. Makes sense, it amounts to we’ll-sell-to-you-really-cheap-only-until-we-get-a-better-offer-from-someone-else. Industrial customers enter into such agreements in plenty.

peyelut
October 17, 2019 7:45 pm

WOULD FRAKKING SOLVE THE PIPELINE PROBLEM? Fredo’s older, dumber brother probably thinks I’M the idiot!

peyelut
October 17, 2019 7:49 pm

If you like Banana Republics,

And getting caught in the pain . . . .

If your goat yoga goat,

has a bigger brain

John Sandhofner
October 17, 2019 8:54 pm

So everytime the various gas units shut down due to low pressure the utility servicemen will be called to relight pilot lights. What a mess that will create. The insanity of liberals is becoming very dangerous.

'Ol Countryboy
October 18, 2019 2:36 am

Us Oklahomans would suggest a cure for your problem — “let the bbustards starve and freeze in the dark.” This free sage advice is brought to you from the folks in flyover country.

Ewin Barnett
October 18, 2019 3:17 am

This is right straight out of Atlas Shrugged. Politicians think that ideology and political will can alter reality. So they break the systems we depend upon for our basic human needs and comforts. Then they compound the mess by issuing more decrees to address the consequences of the previous decrees. Why I don’t live there.

JeffH
October 18, 2019 5:20 am

How many BTUs are released by the flaming corpse of a once great city?

Gerry, England
October 18, 2019 5:54 am

Is there a legal requirement to actually supply any gas once the hook-up has been done?

Some Dude
October 18, 2019 5:59 am

Cuomo isn’t Chavez, you really have to take off the ideological lenses when you are looking at NY’s Tammany politics. The real estate developers are HUGE contributors to the Democratic Party there. They turned to their friend, Andrew, to order unsafe hookups, because there is a benefit now to reliable contributors in Brooklyn, versus a cost to unreliable (or even marginally Republican) districts at the end of the gas lines. Worst case, they turn off gas to some purple areas, no one under Cuomo’s patronage is harmed, and you can make some headlines off the mean old gas company and demand some more patronage jobs for your buddies to stop the headlines.

Win-Win-Win.

David H
October 18, 2019 6:50 am

It’s Fredos all the way down.

Steve Z
October 18, 2019 7:06 am

The stupidity of the elite vs. the wisdom of the free market. If Cuomo simply got out of the way, somebody would get the idea that they could make money by piping gas from where it is plentiful in Pennsylvania to where people need it in New York, and selling it there.

The Beatles once sang about Cuomo:

“So don’t you know that it’s a fool who plays it cool by making his world a little colder?” (from “Hey Jude”).

beng135
October 18, 2019 7:19 am

I wish the linked site would have identified that star — seen it before but can’t remember its name.

Corky
October 18, 2019 9:05 am

While this appears to be a complete cluster flock, there is defined purpose in Cuomo’s actions. The “play” is the same.

California – establish years of politically-appointed idiots and their wild lands dogma that ultimately worsens the intrusion of fire from the urban wildland interface – knowig that it will blow up into a problem that cannot be hidden (e.g. Santa Rosa, Carr and Camp fires). Solution – force the utility through bankruptcy (since tort reform is not a progressive solution) to solve the problem by shutting of power when the winds blow. So, the recipients of the service (users) that have no say in it get to pay more to solve the politicians enabled in the first place.

Cuomo understands that this will never be blamed on him, it will be blamed on the end-user who used to much gas and will be forced to pay more to solve this new problem created by government. Bad gas company, good government.

Thingadonta
October 18, 2019 6:46 pm

The old bureaucratic chestnut, I deny you the necessary access, and then complain you haven’t done something. It’s used a lot in corrupt research as well.

Tom O'Donnell
October 19, 2019 3:17 pm

New York has lost more residents than any other state in the nation since Cuomo came to office, now you can see why! Stay away from NYS, far, far, away…

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