BBC Andrew Neil Shreds Extinction Rebellion’s Climate Claims

Extinction Rebellion Zion Lights
Extinction Rebellion’s Zion Lights, caught out by challenging questions from the BBC

Hilarious video of Extinction Rebellion’s Zion Lights struggling to answer basic questions about the science behind ER’s claims.

Andrew Neil rips apart Extinction Rebellion claim that ‘billions of children will die’
ANDREW NEIL dismantled the argument made by an Extinction Rebellion member that “billions of children will die in the next 10 to 20 years” because of climate change.
By NAOMI ADEDOKUN
PUBLISHED: 22:29, Wed, Oct 9, 2019 | UPDATED: 22:34, Wed, Oct 9, 2019

Zion Lights, a spokeswoman for Extinction Rebellion, appeared on Andrew Neil’s BBC show to defend her organisation’s actions. The climate action group have shut down parts of central London as part of a planned two-week protest. Many have criticised the demonstrations for their disruption and “alarmist language”.

Read more: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1188717/extinction-rebellion-andrew-neil-climate-change-protest-london-emergency-bbc

Facebook video of the exchange (click the link above to see the video, if you can’t see the Facebook video);

It’s refreshing to see a BBC presenter challenging climate claims, because it doesn’t happen very often these days. But Extinction Rebellion’s outrageous claim that a few feet of sea level rise will lead to billions of deaths deserves ridicule, even from people who think climate change is a problem.

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John Bell
October 10, 2019 4:04 pm

I would love to follow her around and reminder her every time she uses fossil fuels. She is a flaming hypocrite.

Martin Howard Keith Brumby
October 10, 2019 4:05 pm

A pity Neil didn’t point out that her hero Jim Hansen acknowledges getting energy from Ruinables is useless and that many more nuclear reactors are needed. (If you are daft enough to think CO2 is a problem.)

I wonder what this gormless woman would think about that?

October 10, 2019 4:06 pm

Did I mishear or did she actually use Mickey Mann in support of “Exhausting Revulsion’s” demand of zero emissions” by 2025″?

I know nothing about Andrew Neil (I’m not Brit) but it sounded to me like he’s all in on CAGW but these nuts have gone too far?
(I’d love to see him interview AOC!)

PS If I’m wrong about that, my apologizes in advance.

Rhys Jaggar
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2019 4:41 pm

Mr Neil actually does his job in interrogating warmistas and skeptics in the same way: professionally.

He is very rare in the BBC….

Reply to  Rhys Jaggar
October 11, 2019 3:54 am

Yes, I regret the (not so impartial) Aunty BeeB may find some flimsy reason make him extinct as t’were!

Reply to  Rhys Jaggar
October 11, 2019 1:40 pm

Thanks for the clarification.
Sounds like he is a skilled “Devil’s Advocate” to whoever he interviews.

Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2019 5:06 pm

I have no idea where he stands personally on AGW, but as a BBC employee he has to “toe the company line”.. Which is a shame, because he has no qualms about putting even the most powerful politicians in their place.

Pumpsump
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 12, 2019 5:03 am

I think he’s quite savvy in this interview, he wants to keep his job, for now at least.

He may or may not accept the IPCC figures he quoted (which we know can be pulled apart like warm bread), but gently beats Zion Lights (great stage name BTW) with the IPCC stick, to demonstrate just how far out of kilter XR claims are from anything approaching reality.

XR are a threat to the comfy mainstream CAGW meme precisely because both their tactics and claims are patently absurd and counterproductive. Keep it up, you clowns!

Bruce Cobb
October 10, 2019 4:07 pm

ER has jumped the kraken.

October 10, 2019 4:07 pm

Might be a new strategy.
It’s like an alarmist versus an extreme alarmist and the alarmist wins, that was easy to predict.

But the message they get across is that the alarmist is right.

And that message is wrong.

October 10, 2019 4:13 pm

If ever a case was made that the Extinction Rebellion was a cult, then this kid would be a prime example of the following and how brainwashed they are. She was incapable of addressing any relevant points that challenged her beliefs.

Flight Level
October 10, 2019 4:15 pm

Advice to green zombies intel gathering readers: -Don’t mess with aircraft !

Eco terrorism is briefed as a very tangible threat. Quite a lot of airline dependent things would happen. Even the slightest attempt will trigger a set of actions including but not limited to this common core:

-Declaration of Level 2 potentially escalating to Level 4 threat.
-Mandatory emergency landing to the quickest suitable location, yes, even on short hauls.
-Immediate handling of the resulting situation by local authorities, might include evacuation.
-A complete legal actions pack including fuel costs.

In other words, don’t even try !

Rhys Jaggar
October 10, 2019 4:20 pm

The problem with all organised scams is the lack of punishment for perpetrating it. These nutcases get no punishment for spreading wildly inaccurate stories, they are not punished for disrupting everyday life.

Andrew Neil is on the few remaining journalists at the BBC. The vast majority who work there are ignorant yes-folks who could not interrogate evidence to save their lives.

They even had an ER spokesman on Question Time tonight. No Nigel Farage, but you can have an ER nutcase.

The BBC is funded by taxpayers yet tells taxpayers what they have to believe.

They need a severe shock to their very core, an existential threat demanding the implementation of basic standards of journalism.

Do not hold your breath….

TomRude
October 10, 2019 4:20 pm

Zion Lights: “We put a man on the Moon before we had iPhones and the internet”
Alleluia!
it is interesting how these knowledge challenged people are quoting Hansen, Mann… Makes you wonder of the true connections between those rebel scientists (sarcasm) and those well organized mobs…

Reply to  TomRude
October 10, 2019 5:49 pm

“TomRude October 10, 2019 at 4:20 pm
Zion Lights: “We put a man on the Moon before we had iPhones and the internet”

A statement that again proves how clueless zion l. is.
Their world is all electronics and immediate gratification. Instead of realizing that iphones are communications and the internet represents information.
Both of which were abundantly available when real scientists and genuine engineers planned, designed and built the moon shot vehicles.

Glib words and bland admonishments from a very shallow fool, zion l.

DaveK
Reply to  TomRude
October 11, 2019 5:15 pm

On Question Time , the leader of XR Rupert Read mentioned that he worked at the University of East Anglia. I’m sure I’ve heard of that establishment before.

TonyL
October 10, 2019 4:38 pm

Everybody notice the pendant the young lady is wearing in the video? It seems to be the official ER symbol or trademark. It can be described as an hourglass in a circle. I have seen this symbol in other contexts recently. I took it then that this symbol has some very dark mystical or metaphysical meaning attached to it, similar to the pentagram.
Anybody have any ideas or comments on the symbolism of this “hourglass in a circle”?
Perhaps a quick history on where this has been seen or used before?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyL
October 10, 2019 5:06 pm

My guess is that it’s a reference to running out of time.

MarkW
Reply to  TonyL
October 10, 2019 5:07 pm

PS: I thought it was a martini glass in a circle.

H.R.
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2019 9:16 pm

Well, she seems shaken and stirred, so you might be right.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  TonyL
October 10, 2019 7:59 pm
October 10, 2019 5:04 pm

Zion L looks to be wearing a synthetic shirt.
The zippers look to be metal, mined, smelted, refined and molded using fossil fuels.
Also,that ribbon holding her dried clay design is definitely synthetic.

The glasses are plastic and likely the glass part is also plastic, molded cut and polished using fossil fuels.

Coddled idiots.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  ATheoK
October 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Pretty sure she is also wearing tights.

Now I am a bit behind on my leg based clothing technologies, but unless they are silk…

Ian_UK
Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 11, 2019 12:35 am

Silk’s no good. We can’t have silkworms being exploited!

October 10, 2019 6:54 pm

Extinction rebellion zombie……”Extreme weather which may – may be on a downward trajectory but climate scientists are telling us will increase”.

Me….hello? Anyone home? I heard one being interviewed yesterday. They are still stuck on the 97% garbage.
I give E.R. 6 months after which they will begin to become extinct.

October 10, 2019 7:06 pm

I think it is interesting that two of the three ER demands are simply impossible , Not going to happen demands.
The people funding these zealots do not want the demands to be met.

October 10, 2019 7:27 pm

Zion Light. Reminds me of a bloke I met in California in the early 80’s who called himself called Baha Raja Rolling Rainbow Rivers. (not joking) He planned on starting his own private space program. When I asked him how he would finance it, he told me he was starting by selling stale donuts which he could ”get real cheap”….
He looked a bit like Charles Manson.

Craig from Oz
October 10, 2019 7:39 pm

The bit that amuses me greatly is that Andrew actually quotes from the IPCC reports when asking his questions.

Remember all those screaming alarmists who like to DEMAND that we listen to the IPCC?

Well… We did. And your holy book disagrees with you.

How Dare Us!

Also I am not convinced young Zion is that great a presenter. She flusters easily with what should be her prepared slogans and has no counters to half the questions put to her. The other half she accidently agrees with by carelessly confessing that they are deliberately using alarmist panic to further their aims before finally going ad hominem with her little ‘man on the moon’ fact.

She was all over the place.

If she was the best they had then the gene pool of XR can’t be very deep.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 10, 2019 11:44 pm

You said “The bit that amuses me greatly is that Andrew actually quotes from the IPCC reports when asking his questions.”
You are so right.

The IPCC does have some interesting information. For example,

on page 1010 of the IPCC’s WG1AR5, referring to the difference between models and the real world shown in Figure 11.25, it says “Possible reasons why the real world might depart from this range include”… “the possibility that model sensitivity to anthropogenic forcing may differ from that of the real world”

They are saying the models and the real world may have different sensitivities.

I doubt Zion is aware of what this means.

buggs
Reply to  John in NZ
October 11, 2019 9:57 am

To be fair, I remain unconvinced that the IPCC actually understands what it is saying on sensitivity.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 11, 2019 1:49 am

I used to quote the IPCC and link to a reference when I commented on the Guardian.
So they banned me repeatedly. On appeal I was always re-instated (as heresy is not an official misdemeanour by the Guardian rules).

But I have up commenting as the comments were always deleted with no sign they had even existed and thus I was left looking like an idiot with no answer to the crazies.

October 10, 2019 7:48 pm

These are more or less the same people who gave us something called “Occupy” a few years ago. Where’s that movement now? I submit that the same fate awaits ER. The proletariat are not yet ready to be liberated.

And it will do a lot to discredit the whole climate mission. Maybe. We can hope.

Reply to  Smart Rock
October 10, 2019 7:56 pm

”And it will do a lot to discredit the whole climate mission. Maybe. We can hope.”

Absolutely it will….and it will rather satisfying to watch.

Snarling Dolphin
October 10, 2019 8:19 pm

Zion Lights? Zion Lights?!? Stupidest name I’ve ever heard.

RobbertBobbert
October 10, 2019 8:23 pm

WUWT Readers
Stuart Basden…Co Founder of ER has an article at Medium.com…jan. 11 in which this A Grade Ratbag blatantly tells the truth about ER or XR. The name of the article is…….. Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the Climate….

It is virtually boasting that Climate is NOT the main issue but is a symptom of all that is wrong…and has been wrong…and will always be wrong… about The West and Capital….

snippets….The delusion of white-supremacy centres whiteness and the experience of white people, constructing and perpetuating the myth that white people and their lives are somehow inherently better and more valuable than people of colour…….

.The delusions of hetero-sexism/heteronormativity propagate the idea that heterosexuality is ‘normal’ and that other expressions of sexuality are deviant.

…….The delusions of class hierarchy uphold the theory that the rich elite are better/smarter/nobler than the rest of us, and make therefore better decisions…….

….. The task of Extinction Rebellion is to dispel these delusions. We need to cure the causes of the infection, not just alleviate the symptoms. To focus on the climate’s breakdown (the symptom) without focusing attention on these toxic delusions (the causes) is a form a denialism. Worse, it’s a racist and sexist form of denialism, that takes away from the necessary focus of the need for all of us to de-colonise our selves……

This organisation has …Tell The Truth…as its Number 1 Demand…yet it is lying through its back teeth that it is a Climate Concern organisation.

Sunny
Reply to  RobbertBobbert
October 10, 2019 11:47 pm

Robbertbobbert

Any chance you could post the link please… Many thanks 😀

Reply to  Sunny
October 11, 2019 4:17 am
Rod Evans
Reply to  RobbertBobbert
October 11, 2019 2:06 am

Principles straight out of the Frankfurt School playbook being advanced right there.
Having advanced along the long march through the institutions road for three generations, the present day torch bearers of the Marxist faith feel emboldened enough, to now openly display their anarchist credentials.
There Zion Light is shining…..

David Chappell
October 10, 2019 8:46 pm

From her Wiki page: “Lights is an outspoken science advocate and skeptic.” She must be hiding under a bushel.

RobertBobbert
October 10, 2019 9:07 pm

ATheoK…
my favourite Moon rocket was Apollo Solar 1…Yours?
Not that this should be seen as a criticism of Gemini Wind 1.
It was a peach but the solar powered Apollo 1 was just The Ants Pants.
Apollo 11 Saturn V…the one that got Armstrong, Collins and Aldrin to the Moon…
Massively fossil fuelled and over rated Dudes.
Tell The Truth about Apollo Solar 1 and Gemini Wind 1.

Global Cooling
October 10, 2019 10:00 pm

This is war of words. Rebellions are supporters of the ruling elite. I would call Nigel Farage a rebellion, not the young on the streets. Extinction is 0,5 C rise in temperature and millimeters of sea level rise.

Solution is austerity measures and increased costs for the sheeple so that more money can be given to the ruling class. Existential threat is given as justification for subsidies, wealth transfers, regulations, entitlements that end up to pockets of the ruling class.

This is also a obedience school. The sacrifice is at first small like plastic bags and additions to electricity bill. When people obey, more is coming. Just look at Eastern Europe before EU, Venezuela.

Max Dupilka
October 10, 2019 10:06 pm

An interesting tidbit on Dyson. James Dyson, the British inventor, has canceled an electric vehicle project because the plan was not commercially viable.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/british-inventor-james-dyson-cancels-ev-project

Lights out lank
October 10, 2019 10:30 pm

Zion Lights?… Reminds me of the phrase ‘the lights are on but nobody is at home’

Patrick MJD
October 11, 2019 12:03 am

Forrest fires in the Arctic?

October 11, 2019 1:08 am

I watched this interview live. I try and watch Andrew Neil whenever I can. At the end of this interview I was frustrated that he didn’t have an hour to grill her. I hope she accepts his invitation to come back and do another. I doubt she will.