South African Climate Activist Desmond Tutu Calls for Fossil Fuel to be Outlawed

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Public Domain, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a high profile figure in the effort to end Apartheid in South Africa, we need to follow teenage climate activists to achieve a tipping point which will lead to the global outlawing of fossil fuel.

Climate change is the apartheid of our times
Boycotts, sanctions and divestment proved effective in South Africa, but that required a mindset shift


Corporations, financial institutions and socially conscious citizens must pull us back from the climate change abyss. They have the muscle to make renewables mainstream and reposition fossil fuels as the tobacco of the energy industry.

At last week’s UN general assembly, more than 60 world leaders announced new climate targets, with 66 countries pledging to reach “net zero” carbon emissions by the middle of the century. But the US, Japan, Australia, Saudi Arabia and Brazil were not among them.

UN secretary-general António Guterres is counting on the leadership of young activists to pressure governments to do more to address what he rightly calls the “climate emergency”. We agree that forward-thinking young people are the change agents for tomorrow. But corporations and financial institutions must act today. They should join the more than 1,100 institutions with $11tn in assets who have announced that they are divesting.

The campaign to divest from fossil fuel has two legs: participants agree to divest from fossil fuel and invest in renewable energy. Many have divested (and many more must still do so) but relatively few have reinvested in renewables. This second step is critical to make clean energy more affordable, push us to the tipping point and lead to the outlawing of fossil fuel use.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, one of our most important levers in overcoming apartheid was the support of global corporations that heeded the call to divest. Apartheid became a global enemy; now it is climate change’s turn.

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I’m shocked and saddened at what I see as the betrayal of poor people in South Africa, of poor people across the entire world, by one of my heroes.

Archbishop Tutu knowingly calls for fossil fuel to be attacked, divested, discouraged, even though he knows there is currently no affordable renewable alternative to fossil fuel.

The one hope poor people in Africa and elsewhere have of a better life is that their lives will be touched by industrialization. There is no other path to improved living standards.

By attacking investment in fossil fuels, Desmond Tutu is knowingly attacking the welfare of poor people, using his influence to turn poor people away from prosperity, gambling their hopes of a better life on affordable renewable technology which currently does not exist, which might never exist.

Nobody can be certain what will happen in the future, not even climate modellers. But we all know what is happening right now.

For shame, Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Answer the cries of your people for deliverance from the misery and hopelessness of extreme poverty, and have a bit of faith that if you right the wrongs of today, the future will take care of itself.

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October 3, 2019 2:15 pm

What a pathetic thing to say. A man who will always have food, clean water, clean clothes and a lush house/apartment to live in, is telling people to basically stave or freeze to death 😐 These fools think that if they sell oil stocks, the oil companies will suffer, the truth is somebody will buy the stocks and become richer as the world will always need fossil fuels

Reply to  Sunny
October 3, 2019 3:22 pm

The Archbishop is simply expressing his core Socialist beliefs. Why should the millions of poor South Africans living in shantytowns of corrugated tin and scraps of plywood be DENIED access to fossil fuels – due to their extreme poverty … while YOU get to enjoy the benefits of fossil fuels?

Tutu is doing what ALL Socialists do … attempt to make all people “equal”. Hence, he wants EVERYONE to freeze to death, live shorter lives, and return to an agrarian lifestyle.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  kenji
October 3, 2019 4:02 pm

I take his state and statement slightly differently.

What his aspiration reflects is a sort of anti-apartheid ideological possession, turning every complaint into a race-based issue needing a revolution by the “oppressed” to “set it right”. Clearly that will require demons and divines and fuels play the part of the demons.

The part he gets really screwy is where oil based fuels and coal are somehow bad for South Africans. It is the low cost of Witbank coal that permits the really downtrodden in his region to survive the winter. Burned in a $10 “mbaula” the very dregs of society, those in transit camps and the economically destitute, get by from day to day meeting their basic energy needs for heat, light, cooking and commiserating conversation.

About 50% of the population of South Africa have a kerosene fueled cooking appliance. Without that the poor would have to scrounge scrap wood or coal to prepare their “mielie pap” basic starch meal (sadza, cornmeal porridge). It can be done with a few grams of that precious and inexpensive fuel.

And banning these life-sustaining energy carriers is going to end injustice? How, pray tell, O prelate?

Umkoko, wena mfundisi. Hamba khaya.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 4, 2019 5:15 am

Tutu, ibhokhwe endala ebomvu! Yiya ekhaya!

Bill Powers
Reply to  kenji
October 3, 2019 4:05 pm

Everyone but him and his comfortable companions, Kenji.

As I am sure you realize that when socialists with a microphones, from Bernie to Desmond, advocate equality that they never volunteer to deny themselves their own personal comforts by living among the lowest on the equality ladder before they pull everyone down to their level.

Instead they sit up on their high perches and proselytize that if they are just allowed, through force of Centralized totalitarian Government, to redistribute the middles money that magically poverty will be abolished.

Yet every time. Bernie along with Desmond’s life becomes more lavish while the middle disappears and the poor quadruple their numbers. Tutu can go kiss my plump middle class back side. Try to ban fossil fuel and expect to add lead to the atmosphere. It will be moving fast so be sure to keep your head down Patutu.

Reply to  Bill Powers
October 5, 2019 10:00 am

They disgust me to no end, including this idiot TUTU.

Reply to  kenji
October 3, 2019 4:14 pm

The Arch Bishop is merely fitting in, and by making these statements trying to remain relevant.
In today’s society it is easier to be a warmish and remain accepted than to ask questions and be shunned.
An individual can make strong statements and demands on society, without giving anything up, without consequence, speak in general terms and be accepted by society for doing so.
The herd or me too mentality. You don’t actually have to know anything, do any study. Its easy.

michael hart
Reply to  Ozonebust
October 3, 2019 5:17 pm

Yes, that’s my take on it too. He remains an essentially nice guy, but clearly wholly ignorant about the truth of the matter. At nearly 90 years old it may just be too hard for him to learn much about it.

There’s plenty of other “important” people in similar circumstances who think it’s necessary to maintain some stret-cred with the kids. Many a Prime Minister in the UK gets to meet a pop group who their advisors have told them are the current flavor of the month, but actually a few years after they have passed their peak novelty.

After all, the Pope and Rome-Corp have been on the global warming case for quite a long time now, making Tutu’s Anglicans look relatively staid. Time for Desmoind to get with it.

Reply to  michael hart
October 5, 2019 10:01 am

The pope disgusts me too. Leftist-socialist pig in my humble opinion.

Reply to  kenji
October 3, 2019 5:22 pm

Tell you what Des.

1.Outlaw fossil fuels for yourself -I have no problem with that.

2. Do not expect people to outlaw fossil fuels for themselves – whether they do or not its their choice.

Get it?

Now get back walking to your church – even a bicycle uses fossil fuels – as does your TV and kitchen so good luck.



Reply to  kenji
October 4, 2019 12:35 am

I think for once (and probably never again!) we need to listen to Putin and his criticism of Thunberg.

To paraphrase, “who are you to tell the people of Tanzania that they aren’t allowed the same standard of living as the people of Sweden?”

As a counterbalance to “we have to stop the third world right where it is!” perhaps we need to start a Movement of our own with slogans to match. It seems to be where we are missing out as we keep on trying to argue a science that barely 5% of the population is able to understand.

Charles Higley
Reply to  Sunny
October 3, 2019 7:30 pm

“join the more than 1,100 institutions with $11tn in assets who have announced that they are divesting.”

This means that $11tn was simply bought by other people. How does that accomplish anything?

Gerry, England
Reply to  Charles Higley
October 4, 2019 5:44 am

It makes those of us buying the shares richer thanks to the flow of dividends from commodities the world can’t live without.

Reply to  Sunny
October 4, 2019 4:25 am

Why do so many skeptics assume that radical greens are merely misguided, unscientific imbeciles?

Many radical greens are neo-Malthusians, who want to kill off more than 95% of humanity.

Here are some of the radical greens’ statements – maybe it’s past time to actually listen to them.

It’s never been about the science – that is merely the smokescreen for their extremist political objectives.

Regards, Allan

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the
United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of
ecology and the world resource situation.”
– Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies


“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another
United States. We can’t let other countries have the same
number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US.
We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
– Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund


“Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty,
reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
– Professor Maurice King


“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place
for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and
plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams,
free shackled rivers and return to wilderness
millions of acres of presently settled land.”
– David Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!


“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on
human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to
discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy,
because of what we might do with it.”
– Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute


“The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the
worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
– Jeremy Rifkin,
Greenhouse Crisis Foundation


“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the
equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
– Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University


“The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many,
doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
– Sir James Lovelock,
BBC Interview


“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to
about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure
and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species,
returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!


“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle class – involving high meat intake,
use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning,
and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
– Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit


“Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive,
selfish and unethical animal on the earth.”
– Michael Fox,
vice-president of The Humane Society


“Human beings, as a species,
have no more value than slugs.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal


“Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a
pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor.”
– Sir James Lovelock,
Healing Gaia


“The Earth has cancer
and the cancer is Man.”
– Club of Rome,
Mankind at the Turning Point


“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells;
the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people.
We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to
the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many
apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
– Prof Paul Ehrlich,
The Population Bomb


“I don’t claim to have any special interest in natural history,
but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in
the number of game animals and the need to adjust
the cull to the size of the surplus population.”
– Prince Philip,
preface of Down to Earth


“A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society
at the present North American material standard of living
would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard
of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.”
– United Nations,
Global Biodiversity Assessment


“A total population of 250-300 million people,
a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner,
founder of CNN and major UN donor


“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence
more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
– Club of Rome,
Goals for Mankind


“One America burdens the earth much more than
twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say.
In order to stabilize world population,we must eliminate
350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say,
but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Jacques Cousteau,
UNESCO Courier


“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth
as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh,
patron of the World Wildlife Fund


“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong.
It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal


“The extinction of the human species may not
only be inevitable but a good thing.”
– Christopher Manes, Earth First!


“The extinction of Homo Sapiens would mean survival
for millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species.
Phasing out the human race will solve every
problem on Earth – social and environmental.”
– Ingrid Newkirk,
former President of PETA


“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against
society, unless the parents hold a government license.
All potential parents should be required to use
contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing
antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
– David Brower,
first Executive Director of the Sierra Club


By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., April 14, 2019

2. My hypothesis is that “Radical Greens are the Great Killers of Our Age”.

Here is some of the supporting evidence:

• The banning of DDT from ~1972 to 2002, which caused the malaria deaths of tens of millions of children under five years of age, and sickened and killed many more adults and children;

• The fierce green opposition to golden rice, actions that blinded and killed millions of children;

• The misallocation of scarce global resources for destructive intermittent “green energy” schemes, which are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy;

• Properly allocated, a fraction of the trillions of dollars squandered on green energy schemes could have installed clean drinking water and sanitation systems into every community on the planet, saving the lives of many tens of millions of children and adults; the remaining funds could have significantly reduced deaths from malaria and malnutrition;
Global Crises, Global Solutions, The 1st Copenhagen Consensus, edited by Bjørn Lomborg, 2004,
Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK, 648 pp.

• The number of Excess Winter Deaths and shattered lives caused by runaway energy costs in the developed world and lack of access to modern energy in the developing world probably exceeds the tens of millions of malaria deaths caused by the DDT ban; Excess Winter Deaths (more deaths in winter than non-winter months) total about two million souls per year, which demonstrates that Earth is colder-than-optimum for humanity;

• Indoor air pollution from cooking fires kills many women and children in the developing world;

• In addition to runaway energy costs and increased winter deaths, intermittent wind and solar power schemes have reduced grid reliability and increased the risk of power outages;

• Huge areas of agricultural land have been diverted from growing food to biofuels production, driving up food costs and causing hunger among the world’s poorest people.

October 4, 2019 5:11 am

If I recall, optimum for humanity is about 21°C, the temperature at which it is safe (healthwise) and comfortable to go about with no clothes on, ie the temperature we were “designed for”.

October 4, 2019 5:23 am


Why don’t those people kill there own family members? Prince Philip has a very large family, all the other clubs have many members with large familys… They want us gone, yet keep on growing their own family’s

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Sunny
October 4, 2019 8:26 am

Sunny, obviously, their families are “special” ! (royalty ?)

Reply to  Sunny
October 4, 2019 9:44 am

Let’s not go there Sunny. I find it much more rewarding to save lives than to end them.

What if someone could have prevented 9-11? How about one hundred 9-11’s?

Regards, Allan


I received an award in March 2018 from the Society of Petroleum Engineers (SPE) for averting a potential major sour gas disaster in SE Calgary.

The new foreign owners of the Mazeppa project were running 40% H2S critical sour gas within one mile of populous SE Calgary suburbs and had ceased the required monthly injection of anti-corrosion chemicals into the pipelines seven months earlier, which was extremely dangerous.

Fortunately, I was familiar with the project from decades ago (I was GM of Engineering for a company that formerly owned this project and about 20 others), and someone called me with this vital information. The remarkable coincidence is my confidential informant did not know of my history with this project – he just wanted to talk to someone about his concerns.
The staff at the project were afraid to report the dangerous situation because they feared physical retaliation from the foreign owners, who they believed were violent thugs.

H2S is heavier than air and hugs the ground, and a 0.1% concentration is instantly fatal. I investigated, reported the matter, followed-up and it was made safe. I later learned that some of the critical sour gas pipelines had already experienced minor perforations and leaks.

A safety study done in 2005 estimate the kill radius at 15km, so potential loss of life in a major discharge of H2S in 2016 could have totaled up to 300,000 people, wiping out the SE quadrant of Calgary.

The reprimand by the Alberta Energy Regulator against the foreign owners is the most severe in Alberta history.

– Allan MacRae

Selected References to the Mazeppa Sour Gas Threat
The reporters got a few minor facts wrong – but no matter.

High River Times, August 27, 2016
Previously at

AER suspends Mazeppa plant operations amid concerns
By Paul Krajewski , Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:33:46 MDT PM

Months before the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) ordered the suspension of all operations at the Mazeppa sour gas processing plant on Aug. 9, it was a former company engineer who informed the regulator about serious safety concerns he had regarding the facility and infrastructure.

Allan MacRae, member of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta (APEGA), reached out to the regulator about what he referred to as potentially “disastrous” safety risks the plant’s operation posed to the public and environment in the months leading up to the AER order.

In an email sent to the regulator’s senior executive on May 28, MacRae stated he had serious safety concerns about the plant that is owned and operated by Lexin Resources Ltd. and LR Processing Ltd.

In May, MacRae said he became aware of issues at the facility and its infrastructure and conducted his own week-long investigation using public records and verbal discussions to corroborate the allegations.

During the early 1990s, MacRae said he was the general manager of engineering for Canadian Occidental Petroleum Ltd., known today as Nexen. He noted the company owned and operated the Mazeppa plant until it was taken over by Compton Petroleum Corp. and, most recently, Lexin.

In a statement from the AER, the information MacRae provided was used in the regulator’s overall inspection and compliance assurance process.

In the initial email, MacRae stated Lexin and LR allegedly failed to pay surface lease rentals, which resulted in loss of access to sour gas wells. The firms also allegedly conducted infrequent injection of anti-corrosion chemicals to its gas pipeline gathering systems and provided inadequate financial resources for plant maintenance, he added.

From his understanding, MacRae said the plant handled sour gas up to 40 per cent hydrogen sulfide (H2S), the maximum amount permitted under AER regulations, with wells located within 2.4 kms of highly populated areas of Calgary.

He said sour gas is a naturally occurring substance that contains significant amounts of H2S and, if released to the atmosphere, could pose extreme health risks to the public and environment.

“As little as 0.1 per cent H2S is instantly fatal when inhaled,” he added.

As a result of his investigation, MacRae advised the AER he found standard maintenance was allegedly not being adequately performed at the facility and infrastructure, which he believed could result in an increased risk of H2S being released into the atmosphere.

“If a large release of H2S occurred and the wind direction was unfavourable, I believe there would be no time to evacuate the nearby communities and a major catastrophe could occur,” he said.

Even if the risk of H2S release was moderate, MacRae said the consequences could still be disastrous.

As a member of APEGA, MacRae said he is ethically obligated to report concerns related to public and environmental safety. For this reason, he informed the regulator of his findings.
As of Aug. 23, the AER reported in an email provided to the Times all but one pipeline associated to the Mazeppa plant had been depressurized, but gave no indication when it would be fully suspended as per AER shut-in requirements. These include each pipe being emptied, purged, isolated and left in a safe state.

Ryan Bartlett, AER public affairs advisor, said the regulator has worked with Lexin and LR to address a number of issues related to facility and infrastructure operations at the plant for several months.

Bartlett said the regulator performed an inspection in February and identified a number of deficiencies.

However, he noted Lexin failed to comply with AER requirements between February and June and was ordered to suspend all facility and infrastructure operations on Aug. 9.
“(This was done) to ensure the plant is in a safe state with no risk to the public or environment,” Bartlett said.

The AER order document from Aug. 9 stated Lexin and LR informed the regulator on June 29 that its sour gas release monitoring system was no longer operational and that if an incident or emergency occurred, the regulator would be responsible for managing the situation, not the firms in question.

In the AER order, the regulator also stated the firms terminated the majority of the plant’s staff on June 30 and left six employees to operate and manage the Mazeppa facility and infrastructure.

Bartlett said the AER continues to monitor and inspect plant operations regularly and prioritizes issues with potential impact to public and environmental safety.

Additionally, he said Lexin and LR have been ordered to provide a comprehensive plan about how the companies will respond to incidents and monitor ongoing operations.

If Lexin fails to comply with AER requirements, Bartlett said the regulator can order complete suspension or abandonment of other energy infrastructure, charge administrative penalties, institute legal proceedings or sanction upper management against working in the province.
“All licensees in Alberta are required to follow our requirements,” he said. “Our rules apply across the board.”

Lexin and its associated firms were reached out to by email and phone for a response multiple times. No answers were provided to the Times by publication date.

Calgary Herald, March 21, 2017

CBC, April 24, 2017

Calgary Herald. July 10, 2017

For Compton’s well applications, the calculated EPZ radius was 11.94 km during the drilling phase and 14.97 km during the completion phase. It was estimated that more than 250,000 people lived and worked within the calculated 14.97 km EPZ.

Nicholas McGinley
October 4, 2019 3:27 pm

I agree with you Allan, 100%.
When people tell you who they are, we should believe them.

Mark Broderick
October 4, 2019 8:28 am


Excellent…may I copy and post that to FB ?

Reply to  Mark Broderick
October 6, 2019 10:08 am

Yes, thank you Mark.

Also, the real Green Agenda to destroy the last Western democracies is here:

by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., October 1, 2019

Joel Snider
October 4, 2019 1:07 pm

A lot of the rank and file ARE misguided with good intentions – to quote Areosmith – a sister and a cousin.

The point of frustration for me is when I show them a list like this and their reaction is like the Marching Brooms in Fantasia – they pause, then just keep marching.

Reply to  Joel Snider
October 6, 2019 11:51 am

Hi Joel,

Two great men explained the conduct of the green minions thus:

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the universe.”
– Albert Einstein, Physicist

“Think of how stupid the average person is; and then realize half of them are stupider than that!”
– George Carlin, Philosopher and Statistician

October 6, 2019 7:03 pm

All of the above statements in the first half of your document have a “goes without saying” clause included – along the lines of: “Not me or my family/mates/ or anyone I like”



October 6, 2019 7:05 pm

I am referring to Allan Macrae’s comment)

Bryan A
October 3, 2019 2:16 pm

Said it before.
If the group that believes “Fossil fuel = certain doom” is truly that enormous, THEY only need to stop using fossil fuel, fossil fuel derived generation and fossil fuel derived products. Surely that would have a far reaching impact on global fossil fuel usage and related CO2 production with no additional laws necessary.

Reply to  Bryan A
October 3, 2019 4:35 pm

Totally agree

Reply to  Bryan A
October 3, 2019 11:02 pm

That isn’t the point of socialism. Socialism isn’t when you share with your neighbours. It’s when your neighbours are forced to share with you.

BTW, Communism is when you do it with a gun.

Reply to  Hivemind
October 4, 2019 3:11 pm

The only difference is communists show the gun openly.

John K. Sutherland.
October 3, 2019 2:18 pm

I recommend that we cut off old Desie’s power first and then see what kind of a tune he sings. These people should all lead by example, not just telling US what we should do, while ignoring their own advice.

Reply to  John K. Sutherland.
October 3, 2019 3:55 pm

They don’t want the power cut off. They want the magic engineering fairy to make energy from renewables. It’s just a matter of destroying the oil companies, and the magic will start.

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
October 3, 2019 4:52 pm

…the “Fern Gully” delusion?

Roger Knights
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
October 3, 2019 9:20 pm

Tutu is probably thinking that renewables will be affordable in S. Africa if the developed world funds them, as per the Paris Accord. THEN fossil fuels can be banned. A pope dream.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Roger Knights
October 4, 2019 12:01 am

Love the phrase “A Pope Dream” +100

Bill Powers
Reply to  John K. Sutherland.
October 3, 2019 4:10 pm

Great Idea John. Lets create a fossil fuel free zone, Lets say Cali, Oregon, Washington. Build an Eastern wall and move all these fearmongering Alarmists to set up shop without the benefit of fossil fuel. Throw in the Gores, Hansen, Manns. The we can arrest them and kick them back across their border when they come foraging for fuel.

Reply to  Bill Powers
October 3, 2019 4:55 pm

Don’t forget British Columbia (BC). You could hear the wailing all the way to Ottawa when Alberta threatened to cut off BC’s oil.

October 3, 2019 2:19 pm

This there enough Factual science to be able to sue the U.N or ipcc for causing climate anxiety?

October 3, 2019 2:22 pm

I always ask the same thing of all activists propounding “we must make fossil fuels illegal”.


Its so simple. Take YOUR country, or YOUR city … or YOUR outback, and mandate thru law, passed into force by YOUR people, democratically … and make fossil fuel use in whatever sovereign territory that is, total. Completely. No exceptions for government, police, ambulances, etc. ALL cars, pickups, SUVs, motorcycles, mopeds, golf carts, lawn mowers, chain saws, leaf blowers, intermodal trucks, intercity trucks, … all of them go no-petrol.

And WHEN you do that, we’ll all come and visit.
Ask the local yokels what they think of the enterprise.
Find out how competitiveness is impacted.
What kind of tariffs and subsidies had to be enacted.
Levelizing, of course.

Just saying,
GoatGuy ✓

Joel Snider
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 3, 2019 3:10 pm

Here in Portland, OR, they would do it in a second and then sit around with stupid looks on their faces wondering why they suddenly they have no electricity, heat, food, or uber-cars coming to pick them up whenever they want.

But I’ll guarantee you that the last place to look for blame will be themselves.

Reply to  Joel Snider
October 3, 2019 4:01 pm

In BC they wouldn’t notice the lack of food and water because medicinal marijuana cures everything. BC is transitioning to the marijuana based economy, solar be damned.

Reply to  GoatGuy
October 3, 2019 3:58 pm

So far, everyone who has tried going mostly renewable has had grid links into regions with plentiful fossil fuel generation. It’s really just a shell game.

George Daddis
Reply to  GoatGuy
October 3, 2019 5:20 pm

The activists in developed countries, be they politicians, celebrities or scientists when confronted with the stark fact that even going to ZERO emissions in their country would have no impact on the global situation, wail “But “we” have to be the model, the example for the rest of the world, or nothing will change!” while advocating massive sacrifices in their own country.

But that same logic of we have to go first with respect to the rest of the world never translates to I have to go first in my country to set an example.

Heaven forbid Miss Sandy would have to walk to the subway from her NYC office or Bernie/Al Gore or Obama would make the sacrifice to live in only two mansions.

October 3, 2019 2:24 pm

Meh, I don’t listen to the Pope either.

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 5, 2019 10:19 am

I really ignore most religious leaders’ voices. It’s served me well.

October 3, 2019 2:24 pm

Ask any “native” Seth Efrikan, Black or White, and they will tell you that life there was much better during Apartheid. I’d expect Tutu to have a higher than average IQ , which is just over 65 in that part of the world, so we should listen to him, right?

Mensa Member
Reply to  DeanNeyer
October 3, 2019 3:19 pm

Groups can be judged to be different. Groups of people, too. My freshman roommate, a Nigerian prince (ayup, for real), was very black. He could go around in summer only clad in shorts. (The coeds drooled.) He could not swim. He was too dense. (Bone density and no fat.) He came from a smart family and is, today, a writer. (C. C. Aningo)
Individuals cannot be said to have any given IQ based on their population. Only the probabilities of the IQ of a randomly chosen person are accurate.
However, if we have a country run by many individuals from a high IQ group we can predict with high probability that it will be run better than that same country run by mostly individuals from a low IQ group.

Reply to  Mensa Member
October 3, 2019 5:00 pm

While on safari in Kenya, our guide gave us a bit us information as to why Africans don’t usually learn how to swim: “The crocodiles and hippos discourage it.”

Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 3, 2019 9:57 pm

“The crocodiles and hippos discourage it.”

Brilliant comment.

And that’s why your safari guide likely isn’t a Mensa Member, i.e., because he isn’t a moron.


Joel Snider
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 9:19 am

That’s an extremely obvious thought that makes perfect sense, that I had never considered before. Very basic cause/effect.

Reply to  DeanNeyer
October 3, 2019 3:27 pm

I would be very very skeptical about the reported low IQs in many African countries. The idea that Africa is filled with people too dumb to live is risible. link If you told me that African people, by and large, are less intelligent than people who live in Hong Kong, I would believe you. On the other hand, nations where the average IQ is below 59 shouldn’t be able to operate at any level.

Mensa Member
Reply to  commieBob
October 3, 2019 3:50 pm

There was someone else who thought that average of 70 IQ in sub-Saharan Africa was an extraordinary claim. He went in search of 70 IQ. He went to South Africa and tested individuals, both black and white, who were attending college/university. Both groups were expected to be about, on average, one standard deviation above their population average being in college/university and all.
The white population scored about 115 — one s.d. above would give a white average of 100.
The black population scored about 85 — one s.d. above would give black average of 70.
(The methodology has been questioned because no tribal black populations were tested, too many illiterates.)

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Reply to  Mensa Member
October 3, 2019 4:52 pm

Mod. I think it’s factual, I’ve heard it before.

In educator talk, a test is called an instrument. So, I can apply the first rule of instrumentation, ie. you have to actually measure what you think you’re measuring.

I’m not calling IQ tests bogus. They have considerable predictive ability (much more so than climate models LOL). If an American has a below average IQ, their chances of becoming a medical doctor are about zilch, for instance.

The armed forces have done a lot of work on IQ. There is a low limit for IQ below which they will not accept a recruit. Such a person is too stupid to be any use. Lowering the standard didn’t work out so well. link

On the other hand, the very low IQs measured for African populations indicates that half the continent shouldn’t be able to get dressed without help. That’s clearly not the case and it casts the measurement of IQ, in that cultural group, in doubt.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Mensa Member
October 3, 2019 5:18 pm

The problem with testing IQ is that most of the questions are written by terribly clever people surrounded by other terribly clever people with the same assumed baseline of comprehension.

Many of them become a test not in how actually ‘intelligent’ you are, but on how well you comprehend the language used to word the question.

One also needs to understand the difference between intelligences and actual wisdom. Intelligence may tell you that Acanthophis, otherwise known as the Death Adder snake, are from the Elapidae family and the Squamata order. They take 2 to 3 years to reach adult size and females are slightly larger. Intelligence may teach you that. Intelligence may also tell you that they are cold bloodied and likely to eat smaller animals for food.

Wisdom will tell you not to put one down your pants.

The argument put forward is that the less urban and ‘developed’ the environment the more wisdom the population. Modern developed society encourages the continued existence of people who in many ways are literally too stupid to live. We protect our society members. Do something stupid and nice men and women put you in an ambulance and nice doctors and nurses ensure you don’t die. Do you learn from your mistake? Maybe. Maybe not.

Try the same bollocks out in your jungle village and you are dead.

Truly stupid people, it is argued, are pruned out of society in the less developed world, meaning the adult population is largely filled with people smart enough to know that Mr Snake does not like unsolicited cuddles.

This is the argument. I offer no references, but do strongly support it.

By extension I would be VERY careful in assuming that cultural geographical group X is significantly different from cultural geographical group Y. Level of education? Clearly. Actual wisdom and intelligence? very debatable.

Mensa Member
Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 3, 2019 5:28 pm

IQ tests these days are not culture specific. However, Mensa Annual Gatherings reveal that the financial situation of the participants varies from Cab Driver to world-famous Author. The social situation of the average member is, well… IQ does not measure social skills. High IQ? Great for world-class physicist and brain surgeons. Not so great for social life. Nor any guarantee of anything other than the ability to solve logic puzzles, have a good short term memory, and a desire to do well on tests.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 4, 2019 9:25 am

Craig from Oz, good commentary, t’was a good read.

But I just hafta tell you, if you don’t already know, …….>50% of the educated, ….. with IQs greater than 120, …….. who read your commentary, ……. are not intelligent enough to understand what you attempted to tell them

They think that an IQ Test that was designed for “testing” high school seniors or college freshmen at schools in Chicago or London are just fine for testing the “same age” residents living in a straw-hut village in South Africa ……. and are not at all surprised if the former group has an average 120 IQ result and the latter group has an average 60 IQ result.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Mensa Member
October 4, 2019 3:36 pm

This entire topic is why the whole subject of IQ testing has become verboten in academia.
Recall the whole imbroglio with the Book called The Bell Curve?
That is what this is about.
The idea that different groups of people from various parts of the planet have different IQs is very dangerous to leftist ideology, and so anything that honestly explicates it must be denounced and discredited, and certainly never discussed.
Jordan Peterson has some lectures on video on YouTube in which he looks at a few aspects of this, and the very uncomfortable implications of the fact that there are people who are basically unable to perform any useful function in a modern technological society.
The US Army figured out over 100 years ago that about 10% of the populace are basically untrainable to perform any useful task whatsoever.
So, what do you do with them?
There are hierarchies in all aspects of life, and intellect is one of them…and wishing it away will not make it go away, and neither will pretending anyone who points it out is somehow wrong, or a bigot.

There are other videos, but this one gives a primer on the subject.
It is just a sad and uncomfortable fact.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
October 5, 2019 7:35 am

Nicholas McGinley – October 4, 2019 at 3:36 pm

he US Army figured out over 100 years ago that about 10% of the populace are basically untrainable to perform any useful task whatsoever. So, what do you do with them?

I really don’t think that testing “army recruits” is going to provide reliable test results.

Anyway, I figured out the best way to determine if one is “untrainable”, …… and that is, …… ask to see their Driver’s License. If they have one, then they have the potential of being trained.

But if they don’t want to be trained, ….. to learn, …. then you can not force them, and you are SOL.

Anyway, I figured that the automobile is the most complex and challenging “thingy” (excluding jet aircraft) that man has ever invented, and to drive a vehicle from point “A” to point ”B” across town, thru heavy traffic, etc., etc., without being involved in an accident ….. is literal proof that 94+% of the populace is “trainable”.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Mensa Member
October 13, 2019 8:18 pm

A well known fact is:

Different subsets of fauna tend to different IQ.

Human subsets belong to fauna:

Human subsets tend to different IQ.


About 100 years ago IQ tests were carried out in various European countries, the ability to read shouldn’t make a difference.

A typical question was:

Prerequisite – there is a North Pole / at this North Pole live bears / these bears are white.

– question to city residents: what color are bears at the North Pole.

Answer white.

– Question to rural people: what color are bears at the North Pole.

Answer brown.


City residents know zoological gardens, there are shown white polar bears.

Rural people know bears from circuses or from the fairs. They’ve never seen other bears than brown bears.

Mensa Member
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
October 13, 2019 8:50 pm

The people administering IQ tests are not as dumb as you pretend. Y’see the testers are aware that past tests were racist, sexist, and culturally biased. They have made corrections. Wouldn’t you?

Richard Patton
Reply to  commieBob
October 3, 2019 3:59 pm

Being someone with supposedly high IQ (but low creativity) I can tell you that IQ tests are more based on what you know, than what you can create. A person who has encyclopedic knowledge but no wisdom or creativity is useless. The reason (if true) that Africans test low on IQ is because of their educational system, not genetics.

Reply to  Richard Patton
October 3, 2019 4:36 pm

The problem with tying IQ to genetics is the Flynn Effect. In many countries, IQ increased a lot over the twentieth century. The gene pool didn’t improve enough to explain that.

Mensa Member
Reply to  Richard Patton
October 3, 2019 5:44 pm

Richard, As it happens creativity is correlated with IQ. Also correlated with synesthesia.
Whites do not test lower than Ashkenazim because of education.
Asians do not test higher than whites because of education.
IQ testing (I’ve studied up on the topic) and education has been studied. Education adds or subtracts up to 5 IQ points through puberty. Yes, there are areas where those who don’t attend school have a higher IQ. After puberty until about age 21 +/-, the IQ returns to what it would have been without education or anti-education. IQ appears to be (certainly not proven yet) almost entirely genetic. Not everyone can understand imaginary numbers and analytic continuation. Not everyone can do calculus. Not everyone can do trig. Not everyone can understand the periodic table. Not everyone understands algebra. Not everyone understands football.

Reply to  Mensa Member
October 5, 2019 9:22 am

Mensa M, ….. can one be tested and ranked (scored) for their creativity or synesthesia potential (abilities)? If not, then how can either one be “correlated with IQ”?

Mensa M: “ IQ appears to be (certainly not proven yet) almost entirely genetic.

Mensa, …. “appears to be” is close enough for “government work”. but in actuality, it is one’s inherited genetics that is the, per se, “foundation” upon which one’s environmental nurturing is recorded, thus the saying ……. “You are what your environment nurtured you to be.

IQ ratings are highly dependent upon one’s “stored memory” recall ability as defined by the association, correlation or comparison to the sensed (uploaded) environmental data and/or to one or more additionally “recalled” stored memory data.

IQ ratings can vary greatly between siblings or even identical twins, simply because no two people are nurtured identically …… and therefore their “recall” abilities are different.

Ted Getzel
Reply to  commieBob
October 3, 2019 4:40 pm

Year round summertime and the livin’ is easy!

Weylan McAnally
Reply to  Ted Getzel
October 4, 2019 11:50 am

Listen to the Lana Del Rey cover of Sublime song “Doin’ Time”.

Summertime, and the living’s easy…

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  commieBob
October 3, 2019 7:18 pm

Commie B

It is a fact that the amaXhosa people (Eastern Cape) have the largest brains of any human group. It is not how smart you that matters, it is what you do with it.

Life under apartheid was awful and hard to look at. Life now in RSA is profoundly corrupt – amazingly so right down to the lowest municipal official.

People in their thousands are using their minds to beat the system, have an inside line, gain an edge, get a free lunch. The reason is easy to spot: the examples provided by the leadership.

Contrast that with what is happening in Tanzania under their new President. Day and night, day vs night. Do you know why the news says nothing about the incredible transformation he is making in the civil service? A small amount of enquiry will show what’s up.

Africa is not “one thing” everywhere. And banning fossil fuels would destroy all the government’s on the continent. That is in no one’s interest.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 3, 2019 9:32 pm

“That is in no one’s interest.”

It’s in China’s interest. Or that of anyone else who would like to loot Africa’s resources.

Never assume the people pushing these agendas are doing so because they believe in them.

October 3, 2019 2:25 pm

“Corporations, financial institutions and socially conscious citizens must pull us back from the climate change abyss”

Yes. Strongly agree. Something, someone, some rational thought must emerge to pull us out of this abyss of irrational activism and return us to a state of rational thought.

October 3, 2019 2:29 pm

Words do not impress me. For me to give Creedence to his words, I would like to see him give up fossil fuel. This would include not only gas, but electricity as well. Unless he can find a source of electricity that does not include fossil fuel source backup.

October 3, 2019 2:31 pm

Vulnerable young minds and vulnerable old minds have been infected with grave misconceptions that boggle the minds of rational humans.

I am witnessing the tragic demise of civilization in my own lifetime.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
October 3, 2019 5:10 pm

Truly, I hope you are wrong.
I am hopeful that this is merely yet another 1970’s embarrassment. I was in middle school and high school at the time. I was a skeptic back then as well. The Earth moves far too slowly for humans to to notice much. Only plagues happen in a human life time, and that’s because people spread them.

Tom Gelsthorpe
October 3, 2019 2:33 pm

Climate panic such as Desmond Tutu’s call to “outlaw fossil fuels,” offers a new chapter of an 1841 book, Charles Mackay’s, “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.” The author describes historical manias that sweep through large groups of people.

Archbishop Tutu, Greta Thunberg (the movement’s latest child shield) and others are essentially calling for the abolition of domesticated fire, or backpedaling the use of fire to only wood, and other “biofuels.” There isn’t the remotest possibility that can lead to mass adoption of “renewables,” whose components can’t be mined, smelted, manufactured, installed, or maintained using wood and biofuels. Rapid conversion to “100% renewables” is as preposterous as denouncing the domestication of animals and the cultivation of land, and reverting back to hunting & gathering for “100% of our food supply.”

Hunting & gathering barely supported a few million people thousands of years ago, “living like animals.” There isn’t the remotest possibility primitive support systems could feed & clothe the world’s current 7+ billion. Nostalgia for the Stone Age is a prescription for economic suicide, and real, mass suicide when the weaknesses of ancient folkways kick in. The fact that “popular delusions” about climate have gone this far in recent years, is evidence of massive failures in education, and the blurring of millenarian cults with politics, science and religion. People need facts, more than they need ritual denunciations of sin.

Anxious teenagers and mature adults alike must pity the delusions of the Greta Thunbergs and Desmond Tutus, and disregard Pied Pipers like Albert Gore. They must shun the madding crowds, heed the wisdom of Charles Mackay, and “recover their senses one by one.”

October 3, 2019 2:34 pm

‘with 66 countries pledging to reach “net zero” carbon emissions by the middle of the century.’

Pledging is free. Zero consequences. Most leaders ‘pledging’ will be retired – or dead – by 2050.

October 3, 2019 2:35 pm

In Tutu’s form of “religion”, you want the general public poor and pitiful.

October 3, 2019 2:37 pm

Archbishop Desmond Tutu’s opinions on a ‘Climate’ tipping-point leading to the need for outlawing of fossil fuel is just tutu stupid for words.

Flight Level
October 3, 2019 2:38 pm

And I call for outlawing opinions by non-qualified in the concerned field individuals.

Would you take his advice on brain surgery? Quantum physics? Engine failure at takeoff?

So how retarded one must be to rely on energy opinions by people with zero (0) demonstrated competences in precisely energy?

Reply to  Flight Level
October 3, 2019 5:19 pm

No, I would not take his advice on much of anything, but I would never outlaw his right to speak his mind.
That road leads to nowhere good.
Ideas can only be overcome by better ideas.

Flight Level
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2019 12:25 am

Problem here is that specifically crafted opinions can kill millions.

There should be an adequacy between the opinion and the knowledge / experience his author has on the topic.

Otherwise it’s either a scam tactic or mental disorder. Not a productive nor safe influence.

Reply to  Flight Level
October 4, 2019 8:24 am

Yes, humanity has from time to time become misled disastrously. This has only been countered by better thinking.
The “adequacy” you speak of is determined by the individual the listener. Through critical thinking and assessment of the speaker’s credibility and expertise, one determines the veracity or credibility of the statement. If you advise others to not listen to this fool, you should also be prepared to ask, why should they listen to you?
People will always be presented with challenges. It is far better to teach them to swim than to fear the water.

October 3, 2019 2:41 pm

Moral high ground needs less religion, environmentalism, and politics! South Africa should be a leader of energy pragmatism.

“The greatest threat to the environment is not affluence, it is poverty.


October 3, 2019 2:41 pm

Insanity ! Sheer Insanity !!!

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  Insanity
October 3, 2019 3:46 pm

The bridge is civilization:

October 3, 2019 2:41 pm

The lure for headlines is part of the reward system in the brain even if it means foregoing logic, common sense, and food. The lab rats agree with 97 percent consensus.

October 3, 2019 2:43 pm

I’ll take the bait.
No mention of a solution (nuclear), just more nonsense about throwing money at hobgoblins.
Gotta be a bit of a dilemma,…… your job goes away if you cure the ill.

Reply to  u.k.(us)
October 3, 2019 4:07 pm

Hey, Desmond Tutu has a track record so he doesn’t need to lay out a plan. Just look at the amazing job that was done with reorganising South Africa. The Warmistas can offer the rest of the world a similar rosy future. Who needs stinking infrastructure?

October 3, 2019 2:49 pm

Tutu is a Marxist. And given the sewer that South Africa is going down, perhaps we shouldn’t take any advice from Tutu.

Joel Snider
October 3, 2019 2:51 pm

South African genocidal maniac calls for the death of billions.

There. Fixed.

Rudolf Huber
October 3, 2019 2:54 pm

South Africa has problems, real problems. Affirmative action on steroids has produced a country where political connections count for more than anything. Entrepreneurial acumen counts for nothing. Violent crime is rampant, those who can afford so shelter behind gated communities, those who want to change things for the better are smothered by a thick layer of regulation that kills any initiative. Most of the infrastructure South Africa functions on still stems from Apartheid. Desmond Tutu has been one of the deciding factors when building this system. He was a hero when Apardheidt was brought down, but the system he helped build destroys the country. And now he angles for the killing stab – taking away the one thing that would help African get out of their misery. Keep the poor poor seems to be his policy. It works.

William Haas
October 3, 2019 2:59 pm

In my neighborhood, if fossil fuels use were suddenly outlawed, most would perish quite rapidly. All of our food and water supply and most of our heating and cooling depend upon fossil fuels. Most people in my neighborhood cannot get to work without the us of fossil fuels. Most common merchandise cannot be manufactured and delivered to consumers without the us of fossil fuels. The fossil free technology of more than 200 years ago cannot support the current world population so suddenly setting back the technology clock would spell doom to billions of people.

The reality is that, based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hypem there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the conclusion that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. But even if we could somehow stop the Earth’s climate from changing, extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue because they are part of the current climate. The optimum climate has yet to be defined so even if we could some now control and hence change the Earth’s climate we would not know what climate to change it to.

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  William Haas
October 3, 2019 9:58 pm

I read once that the UK was practically denuded of trees from taking firewood and masts for those fossil fuel free saing ships.

“Sustainability”, huh.

Reply to  William Haas
October 4, 2019 3:32 am

Well said, William Haas.

by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng., June 15, 2019

12. Fossil fuels comprise fully 85% of global primary energy, unchanged in decades, and unlikely to change in future decades.

The remaining 15% of global primary energy is almost all hydro and nuclear.

Eliminate fossil fuels tomorrow and almost everyone in the developed world would be dead in about a month from starvation and exposure.

Despite trillions of dollars in squandered subsidies, global green energy has increased from above 1% to below 2% in recent decades.

Intermittent energy from wind and/or solar generation cannot supply the electric grid with reliable, uninterrupted power.

“Green energy” schemes are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, because they require almost 100% conventional backup from fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro when the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine.

There is no widely-available, practical, cost-effective means of solving the fatal flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation.

Hydro backup and pumped storage are only available in a few locations. Other grid-storage systems are very costly, although costs are decreasing.

To date, vital electric grids have been destabilized, electricity costs have increased greatly, and Excess Winter Deaths have increased due to grid-connected green energy schemes.
Reference: “Statistical Review of World Energy”
Reference: “Wind Report 2005” – note Figs. 6 & 7 re intermittency.

Carl Friis-Hansen
October 4, 2019 8:56 am

Is the wind report 2005 a report you have to pay for or is it removed?

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 4, 2019 9:49 am

It is no longer on the wind-watch website, and I have notified them.

I can email you a copy if you contact me through my website – click on my name.

It is an excellent report.

steve case
October 3, 2019 2:59 pm

A full range of photos showing Tutu enjoying the benefits of fossil fuel is in order.

Michael in Dublin
October 3, 2019 3:01 pm

More than 500 000 people have been murdered in South Africa since Mandela was freed from prison in 1990. (Official government statistics). Yet during these years there is no indication of even near 1% of this number dying because of droughts and floods, cold and heat and other weather related causes.

The WHO fudges projections by including all sorts of deaths which strictly have nothing to do with the climate like air pollution, malaria, malnutrition and more. The climate alarmists also ignore the huge number of preventable tuberculosis and AIDS related deaths.

Carbon taxes and exorbitant spending to attempt climate engineering will not reduce any of the killing in South Africa. It will drain funds for health care, important social services and education. Tutu needs to sort out his priorities. Perhaps he hopes the rich countries will cough up billions?

Roger Knights
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 3, 2019 9:36 pm

“Perhaps he hopes the rich countries will cough up billions?”

Of course. Just like the pope, who is a mouthpiece for his largely 3rd-world congregation and college of cardinals. They want the handouts promised by ther Paris Accord. But they veil their demands, so as to have the moral high ground.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 3, 2019 10:19 pm

“More than 500 000 people have been murdered in South Africa since Mandela was freed from prison in 1990. (Official government statistics). ”

That’s about 17,000 murders per year. Why hasn’t South Africa enacted strict gun control laws??!!

(Oh, it has? Never mind, then.)

October 3, 2019 3:03 pm

SA, once one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, is already well on its way to become the 2nd Zimbabwe. If they follow what’s in the article, the conversion will occur all the faster and be unrecoverable.

4 Eyes
October 3, 2019 3:17 pm

More dumb comments from a populist who seeks the adoration of those less fortunate. The lunatics really seem to be taking control of the asylum.

October 3, 2019 3:32 pm

Have to be wryly amused at those trying to shut down the oil industry to ‘save the climate’. If they were to be successful, there would be a lot of hungry, sick, barefoot, naked, unhoused people in the world, especially those living in cities. They are under an illusion that only gasoline and diesel are produced from oil. Little do they know.

October 3, 2019 3:34 pm

Considering the number of flights this entitled Tutu has flown…

October 3, 2019 3:49 pm

Another day. Another profit (sic). Another [political] climate activist.

Jon Jewett
October 3, 2019 3:52 pm

Of all people, the people of South Africa should remember the Xhosa cattle-killing.

George Santayana wrote in his book “The Life of Reason”
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life, the mind is frivolous and easily distracted; it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in whom instinct has learned nothing from experience.”

The Xhosa is a tribe in the southeast of South Africa. Curiously enough, back in 1856, a 15-year-old girl had a vision, much like Greta Thornburg. And, the leaders of her tribe listened to her vision of the future, just like the United Nations. And then they did what she suggested. Below quotes are from
The full article is worth reading. ( First learned of the Xhosa on WUWT. I learn something every time I visit here!)

“Nongqawuse was a 15-year old Xhosa girl whose uncle, Mhlakaza, was a respected diviner and advisor to King Sarhili. In April 1856, Nongqawuse and a friend walked to the banks of the Gxarha River, ………….

There, the girls met two strangers who claimed to be ancestor-spirits and proceeded to explain that the Xhosa dead would soon rise and a new era of supernatural prosperity would begin……..

…..They would, of course, first have to destroy all existing crops and cattle to make way for this renewal. They were contaminated anyway – corrupted, both literally and spiritually. For things to become new, the old must pass away……

…….The more evident it became that renewal was not forthcoming, the more committed and dogmatic the faithful became – a tragic pattern in these sorts of things. Even if the entire community had reversed course, however, it was too late……….

In February 1857, King Sarhili met with Nongqawuse and Mhalakaza at the site of the original vision, where they spoke privately for a long (but unspecified) amount of time. He then announced that the promised New World would begin in exactly eight days, with a blood-red sunrise and a massive storm, during which only the homes of true believers would remain standing and the colonizers would return to the sea. Finally, the dead would begin rising, the crops begin growing, and the new and improved cattle return.

Sarhili’s proclamation prompted a final week-long spasm of crop destruction and cattle-slaughter, until the eighth day arrived. It was a normal sunrise, and the weather was mild.

…….something in the neighborhood of 40,000 Xhosa died of starvation, illness, and related violence.

Today, “Nongqawuse” is a byword – brought up whenever someone’s ideas are considered especially foolish or destructive.”

Poor DesmondTutu is proving to be a dangerously ignorant fool. And perhaps “Greta” will someday become to mean an idea that is considered especially foolish or destructive.

Richard of NZ
October 3, 2019 3:53 pm

Why do some (most) of the fossil fuel (oil, coal and gas) companies not declare that they are stopping the supply of these essential fuels immediately? The outcry from the majority of people would demonstrate that these fuels cannot be substituted for by anything.

Charles Taylor
Reply to  Richard of NZ
October 3, 2019 4:24 pm

I have so often wondered the same thing?

High Treason
October 3, 2019 3:55 pm

We need to use Alinskys Rules for Radicals against this madness. A warning from Alinsky- The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. All you have to do is say – ok, lets do it your way, lets just abandon the use of fossil fuels- no oil, no coal, no gas-your Green Utopia. Could you please explain just how abandoning all fossil fuels will support the 7 billion humans that inhabit planet earth? How will we smelt iron to make wind turbines? How will we get fresh food from farms to cities?

The warmists will not have adequate answers to this, so confusion and retreat will ensue. The inability to come out with a credible answer will make them look very bad indeed. Then the inadequacies of their Green Utopia can be exposed and ridiculed.

Reply to  High Treason
October 3, 2019 5:32 pm

What! and steal our court jesters.
How dare you! 🙂

Eugene S Conlin
Reply to  High Treason
October 4, 2019 4:45 am

“How will we get fresh food from farms to cities
They won’t need to see answer to “Climate crisis” and food provision below – eat babies 😮🙄 :

John Bell
October 3, 2019 4:01 pm

I bet he uses FF every day! that frogging HYPOCRITE!

Chris Hanley
October 3, 2019 4:06 pm

“Tutu Calls for Fossil Fuel to be Outlawed …”.
Just another of the absurd ambit claims made recently, but they do help the ratchet effect employed by the eco-tyrants viz. by shifting the Overton window towards the hysterical limit.

October 3, 2019 4:07 pm

Outlaw fossil fuels in the West will give an advantage to China and India making West the new Africa. Tutu is the last person to trust for reducing poverty. He is a creator of poverty that preys on the stupidity of the masses.

Bruce Cobb
October 3, 2019 4:12 pm

“Climate change is the apartheid of our times”
Not quite. “Climate change” is the biggest, baddest, and grandest mass delusion of all time.
It does nothing for the environment, but rather, harms it.
It harms people, most especially poor people.
It claims to be based on science, when it is not; it is pseudoscience.
Bad actors, especially those pushing socialist/Marxist agendas and world government have latched onto it to use for their purposes of seizing power.
It has frightened people with a total Lie, causing anxiety, depression, hysteria, and other psychoses,
especially children and young adults.
And more, much more. It is in short evil incarnate, with even those in religious orders, including the Pope and Bishops singing its praises.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 3, 2019 6:55 pm

““Climate change” is the biggest, baddest, and grandest mass delusion of all time.”

I think that distinction goes to all the religions in history. CAGW is just another on the list.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 3, 2019 9:18 pm

Religions have to be useful, or they die out. They’re a codifications of rules learned over time that keep your society working.

CAGW kills your society stone dead.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 4, 2019 9:41 am

“Climate change is the apartheid of our times”

No, but their prescribed “solutions” to “climate change” ARE the apartheid of our times.

October 3, 2019 4:25 pm

In the 1960s the hippies were thick on the ground (and in general). A mass popular movement of irritating ignorant tools, out to save the world and to revolutionise stuff and liberate everyone they imagined needed liberating, whether they wanted liberating or not. And discussing stuff, lots and lots of discussing very meaningful … stuff.

It was just as mad as now, it was just as depressing in its ignorant unbalanced dim-view of humanity, and of the future. There was actually always good with the bad. But they had flairs and paisley shirts, it was centred on drug culture and communal living according to collectivist ideology and a general rejection of clear thinking and a preference for obtuse diatribes. An immature counter-culture of hatred for the mundane, the necessary, and the essential aspects of human life an prosperity.

We’ve had the age of Aquarius flower children, the smug insufferable Yuppie, and the dopey tragic Hipster blocking our way in the supermarket as they obliviously play with their gadget in the middle of aisle 2, or while driving on a freeway.

And now we have the Climate-Extinction mega-dorks.

But that too will pass, once the money runs out, and they have to pay their own bills and live their own lives in a more viable way. Should be fun.

Until then we’ll watch the dumbest, laziest, most unbalanced obsessed elements of society glue themselves to the streets of Capitals all over the world to establish for all time a new lower baseline for just how stupid a human being can become if sufficiently ‘educated’.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  WXcycles
October 4, 2019 9:51 am

I think we should let those ER idiots remain glued in place, urinating and defecating on themselves for days, until they’re desperate enough to tear part of the flesh off to “unglue” themselves. I bet their numbers would plummet after a few of those “episodes.”

We’d have to also be sure to take lots of pics and videos of their “uncomfortable” situation to illustrate their stupidity for the rest of the world, too, of course.

Gunga Din
October 3, 2019 4:28 pm

Any ‘lever” in a storm.
No “storm”? Make one up.
Do not trust (be VERY skeptical of) anyone that believes “Their ‘Cause’ justifies the means.”

James Kent
October 3, 2019 5:19 pm

Just another arrogant hypocritical busybody telling everyone else what to do. These shameless tosspots couldn’t care less about their own hypocrisy. They are fully aware of it of course, but they don’t care because they are completely unaffected by the outcome of what they propose. Like Al Gore, DiCaprio, the Pope, Prince Charles and all the other losers in their camp, Tutu knows that he too can carry on enjoying the trappings of a wealthy influential lifestyle. They are like so many wealthy mountebanks who suddenly favor socialism after having made their millions on the back of capitalism. They get to the top of the heap and then want to pull the ladder up after them so that no one else can get there. This is why the hard-working middle classes and the poor should give them all the middle finger. We should mock them, ignore them, insult them and tell them all to go shove their demands where the sun don’t shine. They deserve nothing less.

October 3, 2019 5:23 pm

This second step is critical to make clean energy more affordable, push us to the tipping point and lead to the outlawing of fossil fuel use. – Tut8.

You first, Tutu. You first. You do without any of that, starting yesterday.

October 3, 2019 5:35 pm

Climate change is the apartheid of our times

Political separation without a consensus. Scientific separation on the facts, not truth as you perceive them.

William Astley
October 3, 2019 5:47 pm

It is pathetic that the Left wing are so angry and ignorant.

The Left wing have shut down all critical reality discussions in the media. Ones with facts, costs, time to install, corruption in the Left, impact of changes, and so on.

The result of which the Left wing and the general public are clueless as to what would happen in reality if any country really tried to get to zero CO2 emissions.

Low hanging wasteful CO2 emissions could be stopped today.

If the EU was serious about CO2 emission reduction they could ban all tourism air travel and cruise boat travel to and from the EU.

October 3, 2019 7:15 pm

It’s equalization of misery. South Africa will soon be unable to produce fossil fuels or the money required to import them, therefore the entire world should be dragged down to the same level.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkG
October 3, 2019 9:19 pm

Among other issue, South Africa has a water problem.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
October 3, 2019 8:10 pm

So all his people live even worse than under apartheid?

Michael Jankowski
October 3, 2019 8:55 pm

“…Back in the 1970s and 1980s, one of our most important levers in overcoming apartheid was the support of global corporations that heeded the call to divest…”

Trade and economic sanctions against a nation and its businesses, driving currency inflation higher, etc., is nothing like alleged divestment from global fossil fuel corporations.

Roger Knights
October 3, 2019 9:45 pm

Tutu may have been reading a lot of Green websites and newsletters, where claims abound that green energy is already (or just about to be) cheaper than fossil fuels. The pope likewise. So they have been seduced into this insanity, as part of the madness of crowds.

Rod Evans
October 4, 2019 12:24 am

Those who demand the end of fossil fuel use should be granted their wishes immediately and personally.
1. Turn off Desmond’s electricity unless he signs to accept the power comes principally from fossil fuel and he accepts it.
2. Refuse to switch the fuel pump on when he arrives at the gas station to fuel up, unless he signs to say he accepts fossil fuel is essential for sustainable civilised life.
3. Remove all plastic from his home including electrical wiring insulation, which is fossil fuel based, unless he signs to say he will never condemn fossil fuel.
Just those three things would bring home to him and many others, the value of fossil fuels.
His choice, he doesn’t have to accept the conditions of supply. If he wishes to continue being an advocate for world de-industialisation by condemning fossil fuels, he can do so from the comfort of his own candle lit cold home.

October 4, 2019 12:29 am

Ja. Ja.
Hope the good bishop will get to read my report.
Click on my name

October 4, 2019 12:35 am

Could be something to do with Prince Harry’s visit.

Coeur de Lion
October 4, 2019 1:32 am

Curiously similar to the fossil fuels disinvestment policy of the Synod of the Church of England led by His Grace the bishop of Salisbury. What’s with these churchmen? I mean, I can understand but not condone the CofE’s attitude towards the poverty of brown skinned peoples, but to be joined by them is bizarre.

john cooknell
October 4, 2019 3:14 am

What is a fossil fuel?

Is methane that is found throughout the solar system a fossil fuel?

Reply to  john cooknell
October 4, 2019 5:05 am

There is good methane and bad methane:
– if it is derived from the decay of organic matter over geologic time, it is fossil fuel, so bad methane.
– if it comes from the decay of organic matter from a municipal garbage landfill, it is good methane.
– if it comes from inorganic sources in the universe, we’re just not sure.

Now, hope is it all clear for you.

Andy Pattullo
October 4, 2019 7:06 am

Let Desmond, his family and his followers start their fossil-fuel-free lives now. There should be no delay. He deserves great credit for fighting discrimination and apartheid. That doesn’t excuse him using his fame to destroy human society, and prevent his compatriots from seeking a better life.

October 4, 2019 8:42 am

I try to contact him via his official website.
Let us see what happens/

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  HenryP
October 4, 2019 9:38 am

I expect the web site should be done now and you will be forced to communicate telepathically as he most certainly won’t be using any electricity or modern conveyances hence forth. Most probably he will attend all speaking engagements in future by flying astride a rainbow flying unicorn.

October 4, 2019 10:41 am

Dear Desmond, the only thing that has brought you up from a 3rd world s**thole IS FOSSIL FUELS. When you make statements such as these, we wonder if you are even fit to speak and influence anything. Sad.

October 4, 2019 1:24 pm
October 4, 2019 3:01 pm

The arch bishop is obviously unfamiliar with the main earnings of his country and with it’s primary source of domestic electricity; outlaw coal and RSA goes even more deeply down the toilet than corrupt government has already acheived.

October 5, 2019 9:11 am

Oh STFU you idiot leftist pig!

Michael Burns
October 7, 2019 3:27 pm

The ArchBishop is the founding member of this website…more hardworking climate money at work…

October 7, 2019 6:07 pm

So will Tutu burn bullshit for fuel as a replacement like the poorest of South Africa have to so they can eat and stay warm despite the risk of chronic lung disease, or just simply talk bullshit like all the other virtuous rich activists with no clue of reality?

“Apartheid became a global enemy; now it is climate change’s turn.”

Essentially, with apartheid gone activists need a new bogeyman to fight. And this fight will last as long as profits and share prices continue to rise, then there will be a new ‘crisis’.

Johann Wundersamer
October 13, 2019 8:34 pm

A well known fact is:

Different subsets of fauna tend to different IQ.

Human subsets belong to fauna:

Human subsets tend to different IQ.

That’s evolutionary heritage.


About 100 years ago IQ tests were carried out in various European countries, the ability to read shouldn’t make a difference.

A typical question was:

Prerequisite – there is a North Pole / at this North Pole live bears / these bears are white.

– question to city residents: what color are bears at the North Pole.

Answer white.

– Question to rural people: what color are bears at the North Pole.

Answer brown.


City residents know zoological gardens, there are shown white polar bears.

Rural people know bears from circuses or from the fairs. They’ve never seen other bears than brown bears.

And thats cultural heritage.

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