Florida’s Natural Gas Boom

Guest cheer leading by David Middleton

Florida has led the nation in the addition of natural gas-fired electricity generation capacity over the past decade, by a very wide margin.

Natural gas-fired power generation has grown in Florida, displacing coal

Florida added nearly 16 gigawatts (GW) of utility-scale natural gas-fired electric generation between 2008 and 2018, about one-quarter (24%) of all U.S. natural gas installations during this time and the most of any state. During the same period, electric utility net generation in Florida grew about 15%, increasing natural gas’s share of the in-state generation fuel mix from nearly half (47%) to three-fourths (72%) of the total. EIA expects natural gas-fired generation capacity to continue to grow, displacing more emissions-intensive and less cost-competitive generation fuel sources such as coal and petroleum liquids.

Florida’s electric power sector includes nearly 50 operating utility-scale natural gas-fired electric generation facilities with a total nameplate capacity of 42 GW. About 40% of the existing natural gas generation capacity was constructed between 2008 and 2018. Natural gas-fired capacity additions totaled 15.7 GW between 2008 and 2018, nearly all of which were natural gas combined-cycle units. These electric utility additions have more than offset retirements of petroleum liquids-fired units (5.1 GW), conventional coal-fired units (2.8 GW), less-efficient natural gas-fired units (3.3 GW), and other retirements (0.9 GW).


Figure 1. Gas kicks @$$ in the Sunshine State. (Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Form EIA-860M, Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory)

While gas is kicking @$$ in the Sunshine State, solar is harder to spot than Waldo

Figure 2. Solar is hovering around the Dean Wormer line in the Sunshine State. (Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Electric Power Monthly
Note: Other includes petroleum liquids.)

One of the reasons natural gas is booming in the Sunshine State, is the fact that they’ve allowed for the growth of pipeline infrastructure.

Additions to natural gas pipeline capacity have kept pace with new natural gas-fired electricity generation in Florida. According to EIA’s Natural Gas Pipeline State-to-State Capacity database, natural gas pipeline delivery capacity to Florida increased from 4.1 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d) in 2008 to 6.2 Bcf/d in 2018, up 50%.

Most recently, in 2017, the 515-mile, 0.81 Bcf/d Sabal Trail pipeline entered into service. The pipeline delivers natural gas to power plants owned by Florida Power and Light (FP&L) and Duke Energy of Florida. Construction is underway on Phase II of the Sabal Trail to deliver an additional 0.17 Bcf/d of natural gas to Florida in 2020. Other projects are planned to serve Florida, including Phase III of the Sabal Trail pipeline (0.08 Bcf/d) and an expansion of the Gulfstream Natural Gas System (0.08 Bcf/d), which will allow deliveries to the converted Big Bend Power Plant in Tampa, Florida.


Now, if the folks in Tallahassee would just stop opposing the exploitation of the Eastern Gulf of Mexico Outer Continental Shelf (EGOM, OCS), in a few years there could be a natural gas production boom, right in their own backyard. The 20-year decline in Gulf of Mexico natural gas production is about to turn around, thanks to the associated gas that will be produced from large new oil discoveries currently coming online.

NOVEMBER 26, 2018
New projects expected to reverse Gulf of Mexico natural gas production declines


Natural gas production in the U.S. Federal Gulf of Mexico (GOM) has been declining for nearly two decades. However, 10 new natural gas production fields are expected to start producing natural gas in 2018 and another 8 are expected to start producing in 2019, according to information reported to the U.S. Department of Interior’s Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement. These new field starts may slow or reverse the long-term decline in GOM production. The 16 projects starting in 2018 and 2019 have a combined natural gas resource estimate of about 836 billion cubic feet.


Figure 3. Figure 2. Much of the new production coming online in 2019 in Mississippi Canyon and De Soto Canyon is from the Jurassic Norphlet formation. Much of this play and most of the Mesozoic oil & gas potential in the GOM is in the currently “off limits” Eastern Gulf of Mexico (EGOM). (Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, based on U.S. Department of Interior’s Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement)

Much of the Jurassic Norphlet and almost all of the Jurassic Smackover plays are currently off-limits in the EGOM.

Figure 4. GOMESA map showing areas off limits to E&P activities. The Norphlet and Smackover play outlines are superimposed on the map along with the Mobile Bay Norphlet gas fields (>100 mmBOE), the 500 million barrel Jay Smackover oil field in the Florida Panhandle, offshore Destin Dome Norphlet gas discoveries that were blocked from development by the State of Florida and Shell’s 700 million barrel Norphlet oil discovery in Mississippi Canyon. Click for image.

About the Author

David Middleton has been a proud member of the Climate Wrecking Industry since 1981, actively engaged in Gulf of Mexico oil & gas exploration and exploitation since 1988. He is a member of the Society of Exploration Geophysicists, American Association of Petroleum Geologists and Houston Geological Society. He only speaks in the third person when he writes “about the author” bits or tries to impersonate Bob Dole… however, no one can do a Bob Dole better than Norm Macdonald.

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September 24, 2019 2:14 am

Is ‘natural gas’ today the same product as it has been say 40 years ago?
Or is it the new, more neutral expression for ‘shale gas’ ?

Thanks for clarifying.

Reply to  Bindidon
September 24, 2019 2:54 am

Shale gas is natural gas. Natural gas is shale gas. Natural gas has been around a lot longer than 40 years.

Reply to  SMC
September 24, 2019 2:04 pm


“Shale gas is natural gas.”

“Natural gas is shale gas. ”

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 7:49 pm

AOC’s and the Democrat ideas come from a carbonhate formation.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 25, 2019 12:21 pm

David Middleton

“Conventional gas reservoirs are high permeability sandstone or carbonate formations. These don’t require horizontal wells or massive frac jobs. However, most of the big onshore conventional gas plays in the US are well-past their prime.”

Many thanks for confirming what I intuitively imagined. I see you know what you are talking about – not only here.

So, as an European person living in a country (Germany) where fracking was not allowed (yet), I can only hope that some predictions concerning possible, massive effects of fracking on US groundwater quality won’t hold anyway…

Que vous dire d’autre, Monsieur?

Reply to  David Middleton
September 25, 2019 3:48 pm

David Middleton

“Frac’ing has no affect on groundwater.”

If you say so, if you say so!

Just a few links…


And above all: if even in a paper like


we can read that

Fracking Has Less Impact on Groundwater Than Traditional Oil and Gas Production

there might then be some little evidence that the process very well does impact groundwater.

Anyway, I don’t live in Northeast US, good for me, and the effects – if they exist as indicated in the papers above – probably will not become noticeable within the next 30 years.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 26, 2019 3:26 pm

Many thanks for your reply. In the USGS document you linked to, the very first paragraph ironically confirms what I suppose:

Decades or longer may be needed to fully assess the effects of unconventional oil and gas production on the quality of groundwater used for drinking water in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas

J.-P. D. in Germany

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  David Middleton
September 29, 2019 2:05 am

David Middleton September 25, 2019 at 12:27 pm

Frac’ing has no affect on groundwater.


But drilling for geothermal heated groundwater through anhydride formations can get devastating for whole cities:

“Following Geothermal bore

A city is breaking up
Exemplary into disaster:

With geothermal energy they wanted to heat the town hall in Staufen in southern Baden. But shortly after the drilling started the horror. Deep cracks broke out all over the city. No one knows what’s coming – and who’s actually to blame.”



Patrick MJD
Reply to  Bindidon
September 24, 2019 3:12 am

It’s naturally occurring CH4, natural “swam” gas.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 24, 2019 6:58 am

It’s gas that had been swimming? 😉

Spalding Craft
Reply to  beng135
September 24, 2019 10:03 am

Swamp gas?

Ron Long
September 24, 2019 2:41 am

Good report, David. This is evidence that Florida is thinking forward, and, combined with other lenient tax and abundant sunshine (notice how people retire where it’s warm and not frozen?), makes Florida an attractive place to live and play golf. Here’s another interesting item about Florida and Energy: They mound up huge garbage piles, cover them and insert collection pipes into them, and capture the generated methane and use it in public-sector vehicles. That’s right, the highest terrain in south Florida is a garbage pile! When the sea level rised dramatically that’s where you will find Greta and AOC! Press On!

Reply to  Ron Long
September 24, 2019 4:12 am

As a resident of Florida, this would be the only instance of Florida thinking forward! This state is about as bass-ackwards as it comes to supporting new industry that doesn’t thrive off of government contracts or subsidies. Permitting in this state is ridiculously prohibitive, and there is a general anti-industry attitude that can be quite pervasive.

Reply to  NavarreAggie
September 24, 2019 4:31 am

What on earth are you talking about?

Florida is one of the least government-dependent states in the union. Our number one industry by a vast margin is tourism. Agriculture is the number two industry. International trade is third – all that government can do is hurt trade – a la Trump’s trade wars with the rest of the world – not help it. Aerospace, some of which is government but much of which is private, and life sciences (including health services) and financial services round out the rest of the top six industries in Florida.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  Duane
September 25, 2019 7:36 am

inane recitation of data… ORANGE MAN BAD! inane recitation of data…

President Donald Trump is the most consequential person on the planet, though millions of poor souls simply can’t abide it. It’s ironic that the guy who made a fortune building, leasing, and renting real estate lives rent-free in the brains of millions.


Tom in Florida
Reply to  NavarreAggie
September 24, 2019 5:14 am

Perhaps you should move back to where ever you came from.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 24, 2019 8:51 am

I have resided in Florida as long as or longer than most Florida residents. I love it here, as do most Floridians, and we are quite proud of our economy which is extremely diverse and non-government dependent.

Perhaps you should consider moving back to Russia, or China, or wherever you’re from.

And your point is?

Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 11:38 am

It appears that Tom in Florida is responding to NavarreAggie.

Ron Long
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 12:11 pm

Duane, I think Tom was replying to NAggie above. I will stay a few days in Miami Beach every year and enjoy it greatly.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 24, 2019 11:15 am

Tom – I apologize for my other reesponse … I thought you were replying to me and not Navarre above (the comment format here makes it hard to tell sometimes who is replying to whom.

After rereading your comment, it seems you were replying to Navarre.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 2:45 pm

No worries. Formatting does have some issues if not careful.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  NavarreAggie
September 24, 2019 2:08 pm

Florida is well known for being funded by pernitting.
This is one reason we have avoided having to have state or local wage or income taxes imposed here.
You need a permit for nearly everything, inside and out of your home.
All places have codes and regulations, but few states have the permitting requirements Florida has.
On that much at least NavarreAggie is correct.
As for the rest…is there something specific you are referring too?
Florida has many huge industries.
Our GDP is over a trillion dollars. 5% of U.S. GDP with far less than 5% of populatuon.
Giant numbers of manufacturing and tech jobs. What is your beef?
Besides for everything else we now have a bunch of the new special development zones here.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 24, 2019 3:09 pm

In Florida, permitting pertaining to home improvements or modifications is not so much what you are doing to your property but more so that what you do doesn’t injure another person’s property, particularly due to storm events.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 24, 2019 9:39 pm

There are a lot more reasons than safety codes or storm damage considerations.
Take for example the rules on installing a fence.
Any fence, no matter how slight or benign seeming has to be submitted with detailed plans and elevation drawings, and renderings to show how it will look.
You can’t do an upgrade or replace a pipe on an irrigation system, replace a broken window, install a prefabricated tool shed, have a pet dog or cat or any number of other animals (must be renewed yearly w proof of new rabies shot every year), and more other sorts of things than most people are aware of.
I am not saying I do not like it, or there are not reasons for each of the permits needed.
Unless you are on acres of isolated land, nearly everything and anything one does can effect other people and possibly be a hazard under some circumstance that can be thought of.
But it is a lot more than most places have permit requirements for.
In many places, many types of fencing are flat out disallowed. The finished side must face outwards, etc.
Even if it is a picket fence that everyone else has and is nearly impossible to be dangerous, you need a permit, must pay a fee, and submit pans and renderings.
Just sayin’.
For someone coming from a place without such permitting requirements, it is understandable it might be surprising or even upsetting.
Hell, even for people who have lived here for their whole lives, such requirements wind up causing all sorts of trouble and problems for an occasional person here and there.
I can well recall many years ago a case of someone not knowing about the need for a fencing permit, being found out.
Even though the fence was properly built and would have been approved, at the time it was found not to be permitted, the person had to take the fence down, pay a large fine, and then start the process from the beginning.
The person was so outraged by this, he refused. I do not recall the exact details, but he wound up in jail and being banned from building the fence, and having to pay for demolition ordered by the relevant authority.

September 24, 2019 3:08 am

Ron, do you have a link to a pic of the high garbage pile?
(I did a quick search but got images of an infinite number of piles).

Larry Geiger
Reply to  Chas
September 24, 2019 6:20 am

Brevard County Florida runs an electric generation plant that provides electricity for 6,000 homes from it’s municipal landfill. It’s on Adamson Rd. in Cocoa, FL. The electric plant is south of the “hill” next to the large pond.

What has been in decline seems to mostly be fuel oil. Florida had a lot of fuel oil plants that received fuel on ships that unloaded to the plants or unloaded to barges that were then transported to the plants. The plant on US-1 in Port St. John was converted from fuel oil to natural gas. The old fuel oil plant was more polluting than the OUC coal plant in Orlando. The coal plant is just north of SR-528 between Cocoa and Orlando. It’s a very clean plant.

Loren Wilson
Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 10:38 am

When the fuel oil plant is converted to natural gas, are they firing the boiler with natural gas or replacing the whole thing with the more efficient natural gas turbine and combined cycle?

Ron Long
Reply to  Chas
September 24, 2019 11:09 am

Chas, google “Mount Trashmore, Broward County landfill, 20 stories high and growing”, and watch the video! That’s right 200 feet high and growing! How long before sea level rise reaches the top?

Reply to  Ron Long
September 24, 2019 1:01 pm

That’s right 200 feet high and growing! How long before sea level rise reaches the top?

Well, actual sea level rise off of the Florida coast is 2.2 – 2.3 mm/year, or less than 1 inch per decade, less than 10 inches per century.

200 feet x 12 inch/ft / 10 inches per century gives .. in round numbers … 24,000 years. Or well after the next two Ice Ages.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 24, 2019 3:16 pm

Mount Stinkmore is getting taller much faster than the sea is rising.
But the slope requirements at the edges will keep it from climbing straight up to the clouds.It will eventually be a flat topped pyramid. 3/4 of one anyhow.
And there are bioreactors everywhere.
This is not a technology unique to Florida, but simply how modern landfills are being constructed.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 24, 2019 3:52 pm

And there are bioreactors everywhere.
This is not a technology unique to Florida, but simply how modern landfills are being constructed.

Not just bioreactors. Recycling material bioreactor deposit site? 8<)

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 24, 2019 11:15 pm

Any landfill which is engineered to allow decomposition to take place, especially when it is also designed to allow for capture of the resultant gasses. The design also allows for capturing leachate and removing it from the stack. At the ones I have seen, in particular the one near Powerline and Sample roads, they spread the garbage out in layers with plenty of dirt mixed in, and then compact it tight, and enclose the sides in heavy plastic.
Eventually that site will be maxed out, and I am wondering what the plan is at that point?

September 24, 2019 3:16 am

Florida is “blessed” for the purposes of reliable electricity generation by an absence of wind, one of the reasons why living there is so uncomfortable without 24/7 aircon.

Michael Ozanne
Reply to  climanrecon
September 24, 2019 3:59 am

Well it is sometimes blessed with more wind than it can handle…


Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  climanrecon
September 24, 2019 12:40 pm

The [wind] energy potential in Florida is rated zero.
That does not mean there is never wind.
It means kickass warmista money wasting bird choppers will be a very hard sell here.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 24, 2019 1:10 pm

Why do tablets have the worst auto correct programs?
Autocorrecting wind to wing, jackass to kickass(it tried to change it to ” hackers” this time), and a question mark to a period?
Does not even recognize autocorrecting as a word.
Tried to get rid of the -ing.
Not just iPad either.

September 24, 2019 4:26 am

Couple of things missing from this piece:

1) Florida Power and Light and its energy production subsidiary, NextEra, is the world’s largest producer of solar electric power

2) The reason that oil and gas drilling is prohibited in the eastern Gulf of Mexico is that the people of Florida are vastly and overwhelmingly opposed to it, even Republican governors and the GOP-dominated Legislature have to swear off any support of oil and gas drilling in the eastern gulf. For the very obvious reason that Florida’s beaches are our number one natural resource and basis of tourism, our largest industry by far in the state. Floridians refuse to allow our state become like Texas, where you have to dodge tar balls on their Gulf beaches. There will never be any oil and gas drilling in the eastern Gulf.

Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 4:52 am

I bet a million bucks you’re wrong. If drilling happens, I get a million bucks. If it never happens, well, how long is that. 🙂

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 8:52 am

Bet your money, and lose it. Florida will NEVER allow drilling for oil and gas in the eastern Gulf.

When even the die hard Republicans in the Governor’s mansion and in the Legislature and in all of the County Commissions throughout the state are united in defending the environment from oil and gas drilling, you know they’re frightened of the People. As they should be.

Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 9:18 am

Um, ‘never’ means til the end of the universe. You can look it up in the dictionary.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 7:12 am

Florida doesn’t own the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.

Yeah, I don’t get how FL, any other state or the US dictating what can be done well outside the international borders. I understand they have influence over Amer companies drilling, but what would stop other country-based companies drilling there in international waters?

Reply to  beng135
September 24, 2019 8:55 am

Florida has over 21 million residents, and 29 electoral votes, and is a swing state that neither party can win the Presidency without carrying .. that’s how Florida gets to dictate whether or not there is drilling for oil and gas in the eastern Gulf.

It’s called “democracy” and the Constitution and the power of the people against the powers of the special interests.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 10:26 am

LOL. You just demonstrated why the US is NOT a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic based on democratic principles. Trust me, if there ever comes a day when the US needs those resources, they WILL be exploited. For now, we have enough oil and natural gas for our immediate needs, so the rest of the country can afford to let Florida (and fools like you) think that it is calling the shots in the EGOM. But some day, reality will bite and those 29 electoral votes won’t mean squat.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 1:40 pm

Agreed. Never is a long time, Florida is only one state, the greater good is what is important, we do not strictly speaking need EGOM or the outer continental shelf right now…but these resources will eventually be extracted and used.
As for no one being able to be President without winning Florida, that is self evident malarkey.
It is logically equivalent to saying “who wins Florida is President”.
If that was true, no one would ever bother going anywhere else or spending as money in other states.
In particular if Hillary eked out Florida she still would have lost.
In 1992 Clinton lost Florida and was elected.
And in general, what states are so called swing states varies with every election.
No state is a foolproof bellwether or perfect predictor.
In 2016 I watched as all night we learned of past bellwether counties, zones, districts, corridors, and even a wall of whole states, fell by the wayside as indicating anything.
They all proved that the past is not the future, predictions are hard, political buffoonery is not in short supply, and all sentences that have the words always or never most commonly turn out to be false.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  beng135
September 24, 2019 2:48 pm

International waters in the Gulf start at 9 miles out.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 8:49 am

Reply with as many facts and graphs as you can, but my points are still the same:

1) you failed to mention that Florida’s largest utility, FPL, is the world’s largest producer of solar energy, and

2) The people of Florida are vastly, overwhelmingly, and unalterably opposed to any drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, and have been for decades .. signals so loud that even GOP governors going all the way back to Jeb Bush, son of and brother of Texas oil men, and every GOP governor since then including the incumbent, and all of the GOP-dominated legistatures going back to the mid-1990s when they came to power, have all unanimously opposed drilling for oil and gas in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. And the people, and the politicians we elect in Florida, always will

We are not so stupid as to be shitting in our own nests, as you recommend that we do, and turning Florida into Texas as a result.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 10:28 am

So to sum up your message – “I don’t need no stinking facts or logic, I have FEELINGS on my side. And lots of bluster; don’t forget the bluster.”

GREG in Houston
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 6:21 am

There were indeed tar balls on Texas beaches in the early 80s, as a result of the Mexican Ixtoc blowout in the Bay of Campeche in 1979. I have had a house near the GOM for 20 years, and haven’t seen a tar ball in all that time.

HD Hoese
Reply to  GREG in Houston
September 24, 2019 7:30 am

There are a now popular books out on the last spill. While I only scanned a couple, there seems to be a lack of history and the usual crisis mentality. One had a picture of a big glob of tar on the beach which used to be more common on Texas beaches. Surface drifters once used to measure currents came from everywhere on Texas beaches and there are many pre-industrial records of oil.

While some of this was pollution, has Gulf production releasing pressures cut down amounts of tar on beaches?

Ron Long
Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 12:14 pm

I wonder, David, if the natural seeps aren’t coming from shallow, perched, small oil accumulations, and are therefor unaffected by production from the main reservoir below? For sure production tends to lower pressure in a reservoir, but like you say, seeps continue.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 8:27 am

A lot of tar balls on CA beaches due to natural seeps along the coast.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 10:15 am

Correct David. Tar balls on Texas beaches are from natural seeps and have been around long before oil development.

The Karankawa Indians and others used these tar balls. Quoted from the link below, “Karankawas crafted baskets and pottery, both of which were often lined with asphaltum, a natural tar substance found on Gulf Coast beaches.”


Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 1:57 pm

What I was five I recall finding tar balls in Stone Harbor NJ…by stepping on them and having to ensure having the tar laboriously being cleaned before I could go inside.
Tar balls I have come across in recent decades have not been so sticky.
On the East coast of Florida almost all the beaches are groomed every single morning.
This is probably why Duane thinks they are only in other places.
I have collections of shells and unusual beach items from all over the world.
One of my favorites is the pumice I found on Deerfield beach in 2002. I used it to remove two calluses from my feet I had since I was a teenager. Neither has ever come back. I think they came from Montserrat.

Reply to  David Middleton
September 24, 2019 8:02 pm

I remember tar balls on the lower East coast beaches of Florida as a kid and teenager. I don’t seem to recall seeing any when I’ve been there in the past couple of decades.

Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 6:22 am

1) Even the biggest is still a big nothing burger.
2) Just goes to show you how ignorant the average person is.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 1:04 pm

Duane, this is the second time in a few weeks you have posted this nonsense about FPL being the largest producer of solar power in the world.
A simple check shows they are not even in the top ten in the US.
Just o e of the unsupportable and wrong statements you have made today…so far.
Example: The leisure and hospitality sector ranks fifth in Florida in term of employment (and it is hardly true that all recreation and hospitality are tourism based), and is nowhere near the top five sectors in terms of economic output.
Tourism in Florida is a booming sector, but no one even had stats in what percent of airport passengers, hotel stays, golf course usage, restaurant dollars spent, etc, are attributable to factors other than tourism.
Are seasonal or part time residents (snowbirds) tourists? Business travellers? Is all recreation “tourism”?
You post mostly nonsense and BS Duane.

Reply to  Duane
September 24, 2019 2:43 pm

Tarballs are formed from natural oil seeps in the Gulf. Natural gas production and exploration release little or no oil.

September 24, 2019 4:30 am

Or they could put in more solar panels… cut their CO2 output.

Because, you know, climate change

It is the ‘Sunshine state’, right?

(looks like around 250 sunny or partly sunny days a year, on average)

Reply to  griff
September 24, 2019 7:22 am

“Or they could put in more solar panels…”

Yeah but, Florida also has these little weather events from time to time called hurricanes. Hurricanes have a tendency to cause a lot of destruction over a large area. I don’t think solar panels would fare very well in a CAT1, much less a CAT5.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2019 7:59 am

Griff, your “climate change” will be determined by China, India and Africa. Stuff it.

Reply to  Dave Fair
September 24, 2019 8:52 am

Yes, we need a higher-quality troll. He won’t/can’t understand even David M’s simple, accurate and common-sense reply.

Loren Wilson
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2019 10:47 am

Griff, the climate has always changed, and will continue to do so. We all agree on that point. Catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is an interesting hypothesis but the first thing you have to explain is why the mechanism is unsupported. Next, why was it as warm in the 1930s while CO2 was lower? Next, why was it warmer in the MWP while CO2 was lower? Since the current hypothesis fails on all three, it has struck out.

Reply to  griff
September 24, 2019 1:19 pm

Sure, just ask the Puerto Ricans how well that worked…

Reply to  griff
September 24, 2019 3:26 pm

Of course solar panels don’t cut fossil fuel usage in the real world, but who cares, it’s the thought that counts.

September 24, 2019 4:31 am

Reason why solar is not well represented in Florida is due to lobbying efforts by the Florida power generating utilities. There are rules in places that all solar panels be connected to the grid and the power companies have the option to turn them off, at will. Say if and when a major hurricane destroys the electrical infrastructure, as Michael did in 2018, the workers repairing it would be protected from unregulated electricity in the lines.

For residential, the panels are quite inexpensive, but the battery prices for installation and maintenance are quite prohibitive.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Ken
September 24, 2019 2:33 pm

Panel cost is a fraction of what it costs to install pv rooftop panels.
Labor is typically fully half the total cost, but even without labor costs included, the panels are less than half total installed initial cost.
And of course it is impossible to have your house grid connected and also powered by rooftop panels unless these two are integrated into one system.
And anyone who has this done needs a special meter switching arrangement for the net metering to work.
So if course the power company must be in control of this.
There is a need for a better way of doing it though.
There is no reason a person should not be able to use rooftop panels during an outage for example. This is an easy switching problem to solve, and in fact everyone with a while home generator has a switch that allows the generator to be used.
But without a generator being phase aligned with your panel output, you would have a major problem if you tried to use panels and generator at once, for one example of potential reasons for the current, no pun intended, situation.
Batteries are a whole separate waste of money for anyone who has a grid hookup and/or a generator and fuel at market prices to run it.

Mark Broderick
September 24, 2019 4:48 am

Tucker: What exactly is the ‘existential threat’ of climate change?


Tom in Florida
September 24, 2019 5:13 am

And my last two monthly electric bills were $70 and $73. That is for July and August. Yes I have central air. No I do not have solar or wind powering my home. My property taxes are just over $800/yr and my wind insurance is just under $800/year ( I live about 1 mile from the Gulf).
Is my home Homesteaded? Yes
Have I upgraded my home for wind mitigation and maximum wind insurance discounts? Yes
Have I upgraded my windows to low e? Yes
Do I keep my the temp inside at a constant 81F? Yes.
Do I use ceiling fans? Yes
Does Florida have a state income tax? No
Am I happy about all this? Yes.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 24, 2019 5:39 am

Homesteaded ???

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 6:20 am

He’s referring to the Florida Homestead law that allows for lower property taxes on a homesteaded property. Effectively every Florida homeowner can receive a “homestead” tax exemption up to $50K in property value.

Larry Geiger
Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 6:22 am

Homestead exemption. Lowers property taxes on homes that are occupied by the owner. Helps shift the tax burden to renters and commercial.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Larry Geiger
September 24, 2019 5:18 pm

Renters don’t pay property taxes the land lord does. Yes they pass as much of that on as the market will bear but usually it is more of a reduction of positive cash flow to the owner.
This law shifts the burden on those with second and third homes here in Florida. Those that spend only part of the year here who wouldn’t be paying enough taxes to contribute to the up keep of the infrastructure they so thoroughly enjoy.

Greg in Houston
Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 6:24 am

Commie, he is saying that his home is his “homestead,” which gives him property tax relief. You didn’t know that?

Reply to  Greg in Houston
September 24, 2019 7:03 am

I’ve spent my working live in Canada.

Reply to  Greg in Houston
September 27, 2019 9:21 am

The homestead protection also provides some protection from creditors. At least it did when I “homesteaded” my home in Texas.

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 6:24 am

Basically you have to demonstrate that you are a year round resident, then you get a break on property taxes. Another method of socking it to the tourists and snow birds.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2019 2:49 pm

It does not [stick] it to anyone, it provides for a lower share of the burden on people of limited means.
If you home is worth millions, or you own a bunch of them, you pay the regular rate.
In fact everyone pays the same, except for the first 50k of a primary residence.
A modest savings for most.
How does that count as “socking it” to anyone?
Maybe complain about Save Our Homes law next?
That is a far larger savings potentially.
No one can have their property tax go up by more than 3% annually, no matter the assessed value.
This gets reset after a sale.
It is so longtime owners do not get taxed out of those home when values skyrocket due to a bubble or speculation or whatever.
The next effect can easily be for two people in identical side by side homes to pay wildly differing taxes.
People with a modest or fixed income who buy a house should not be forced to move because of the sort of crap we saw pre2007.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 27, 2019 9:23 am

“Save Our Home” sounds like a more rational form of Proposition 13.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2019 3:04 pm

Florida Homestead law has two parts.
One is property tax deductions off the official appraised value and limits on property tax increases.
The other has to do with foreclosures and how property is handled after the death of the owner.
Your Florida home must be your permanent place of residence and you can file for the year you first physically live in the qualifying property on Jan 1. There is no need to refile every year.

Since only a person or entity that holds your mortgage can foreclose, you can understand why O.J. made his Miami property his permanent home and filed for Homestead exemption, it cannot be foreclosed on by a judgement against him. The only thing that can be done in that case is to place a lien on the property that can be satisfied when the property is sold.

FYI Florida is a Lien State, you get title and the deed at closing and any mortgage is simply a lien against the property. Other states may be Title States where the lender holds title to the property until the loan is paid off.

Bruce Cobb
September 24, 2019 6:52 am

Good news, just so long as these coal plant retirements weren’t done way before they needed to be, a la the infamous “Cash for Clunkers” idiocy under the Obozo admin. I suspect that may be the case to some extent because of the fast ramp-up of gas. I also suspect coal is still being punished, and or gas being given advantages, all because of the “climate change” monster.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 24, 2019 7:32 am

The FPL Port Everglades resid oil fired steam 2x1000MW was over 40 years old and polluting. Replaced by 3x800MW CCGT fed by Sabal Trail. Total replacement time was less than 2.5 years because the existing site was ‘reused’ and the transmission infrastructure was already in place. Also allowed FPL to shut down some old inefficient gas peaker because of the flex nature of CCGT. Our air is noticeably cleaner judging from the balcony furniture.

Only negative was loss of the two ‘smokestacks’ as Port Everglades navigation aids.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 24, 2019 3:04 pm

The air in South Florida is indeed cleaner/clearer now than earlier in the 2000s.
It is now about the same as when I first moved here in 1982.
12 years ago there were a large number of what I call “white sky ” days.
That is, data where no blue is evident, or sometimes only straight up. After growing up in the downtown of a large northeast US city, it was amazing to me to see white clouds and blue sky every single day, instead of the other way around.
There had always been days when clean air would blow in, but few days had blue sky right to the horizon.
Here that is once again an everyday thing. Hazy sky is rare once more.
Mainly only from African dust, couple days every few years or so.
And I do not recall having my electric rate ever be lower than the < $0.08/kWh I have now.

September 24, 2019 9:28 am

What many people seem not to realize, is that if you don’t burn natural gas, it will burn itself anyway. So we may as well burn it while we have it and do useful work with it before it escapes into the atmosphere and the gas gets converted to CO2 in quick time.

Same is also true for oil, but with lower rate of ground escape.

That should be a motto:
“Burn gas before its burns itself!”

Paul Penrose
Reply to  bubbagyro
September 24, 2019 10:42 am

Actually, the vast majority of those carbon molecules came from the atmosphere initially, so we are just restoring them; completing the natural carbon cycle. So I have to ask the CAGW promoters like griff: how do you know that 280ppm (or whatever) is the proper amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? That’s close the the extinction rate of plants. Perhaps it should be 400 or 500, to give the system some buffer. The point is, we don’t and can’t know. It’s all pure speculation on our part. The best choice of action in these cases is just to sit down and enjoy the ride. Oh yeah, and Don’t Panic!

Gerald R Marquardt Sr
Reply to  Paul Penrose
September 25, 2019 1:16 pm

Don’t Worry–Be Happy

michael hart
September 24, 2019 12:20 pm

There is definitely something poetic about the phrase “Jurassic Smackover”.
But I’m cautious about searching the phrase on t’internet.

Michael S. Kelly LS, BSA Ret.
September 24, 2019 11:19 pm

“He only speaks in the third person when he writes “about the author” bits or tries to impersonate Bob Dole… however, no one can do a Bob Dole better than Norm Macdonald.”

THAT was hilarious! At the risk of sounding presumptuous, Mr. Middleton, I have to say that you and I have almost identical senses of humor.

Matthew Schilling
September 25, 2019 7:37 am

Yeah, but it’s disingenuous to mention installed CAPACITY, since everyone knows natural gas powered plants only run at 33% efficiency, or less.

Oh wait.

Johann Wundersamer
September 29, 2019 2:59 am

In fact Staufen would have needed some kind of BOB, Blow Out Preventer, to secure drilling for however “renewable” thermal heat:


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