By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
At Harvard, there was once a University. Now that once noble campus has become a luxury asylum for the terminally feeble-minded. Walter Willett, one of the inmates (in his sadly incurable delusion he calls himself “Professor of Nutrition”), has gibbered to a well-meaning visitor from Business Insider that “eating a diet that’s especially high in red meat will be undermining the sustainability of the climate.”
Farewell, then, to the Roast Beef of Old England. So keen are we in the Old Country on our Sunday roast (cooked rare and sliced thickish) that the French call us les rosbifs. But the “Professor” (for we must humor him by letting him think he is qualified to talk about nutrition) wants to put a stop to all that.
As strikingly ignorant of all but the IPCC Party Line as others in that hopeless hospice for hapless halfwits, he overlooks the fact that the great plains of what is now the United States of America were once teeming with millions upon millions of eructating, halating ruminants. Notwithstanding agriculture, there are far fewer ruminants now than there were then.
The “Professor” drools on: “It’s bad for the person eating it, but also really bad for our children and our grandchildren, so that’s something I think we should totally, strongly advise against. It’s — in fact — irresponsible.”

It may be that the “Professor” – look how fetchingly he adjusts his tinfoil hat to a rakish angle – does not accept the theory of evolution. If, however, that theory is correct, the Earth is somewhat older than the 6000 years derived by the amiably barmy Bishop Ussher counting the generations since Abraham.
Agriculture as we now understand it only became widespread in the past 10,000 years. Before that, for perhaps two million years, our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate meat and fish and not a lot else – perhaps a little fruit and a few nuts now and then, but only in season.
If eating all that saturated fat was bad for them, how on Earth were they fertile enough to breed generation after generation across the rolling millennia, leading eventually to us?
Let me give the “Professor” a brief lecture in nutrition, about which he plainly knows little. The energy in our food comes entirely from three macronutrients: fats, proteins, and carbohydrates.
There is about 15-25% protein in just about everything we eat. So the question simplifies to this: what balance should we strike between fats, which come chiefly from meat and dairy products, and carbohydrates, which are bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, grains, seeds and sugars?
To answer that question, a short and painful history lesson will perhaps be helpful.
In the early 1950s Ancel Keys, a pop physiologist, announced that he had conducted a “five-country study” (later a “seven-country study”) which, he asserted, showed a link between the saturated fat from meat-eating and cardiovascular disease.
In fact it was a 22-country study, from which Keys had excluded 15 countries that did not show the result he wanted. Worse, he had failed to exclude an important confounder: namely, the latitude. The higher the latitude, the greater the prevalence of cardiovascular disease, chiefly due to Vitamin D deficiency caused by too little sunshine on the skin.
However, Keys went on to feature on the front cover of Time magazine, and he attracted an enormous grant to test his tinfoil theory on patients in six mental institutions and an old people’s home in Minnesota.
Ethically, the study was questionable: once the patients had consented, they were told what they could and could not eat, and were closely supervised to make sure they complied. They were divided into two cohorts: one on a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet and one on a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.
The results were decisive: there was no additional incidence of cardiovascular disease among those on the high-fat diet. Keys arranged for publication to be deferred for more than a decade.
In 1977 the “Democrats” decided to issue guidelines to the people on what they should and should not eat. The National Institutes of Health invited nutritional stakeholders to a closed-doors meeting that lasted two days. Those present were told they would not be allowed to leave the room until they had put their signatures to a pre-drafted “consensus statement” recommending a carbohydrate-rich diet. One by one, they all caved in and signed it.
Now, where have we heard that word “consensus” before?
Only after the guidelines had been safely published did the Minnesota study come to light. But by then, of course, it was too late.
At that time, metabolic syndrome, obesity, diabetes and its numerous complications, dementia and Alzheimer’s Disease were all rare. Less than 2% of the population were diabetic.
However, within two years of the promulgation of the guidelines at the instigation of a Senate Committee under George McGovern, the incidence of all these diseases began to rise. Now, as a direct result of those genocidal guidelines, two health dollars in three in the United States are squandered on diabetes and its dreadful sequelae.
Nor can it be said that the greater incidence and prevalence of diabetes is chiefly attributable to failure on the people’s part to adhere to the guidelines. To a significant extent, the guidelines are being followed, and it is becoming daily clearer that it is the recommendation that carbohydrates should be the staple in our diet that is causing the diabetes crisis.
By 1984 – an appropriate year – the crazed, tinfoil-hat-sporting nutrition brigade were railing against cholesterol, which made it on to the front cover of Time.

In 1994, the British Government of John Major (who had the reverse Midas touch) decided to copy the U.S. dietary guidelines. At that time, diabetes and obesity in Britain were rare. Within two years of the introduction of the guidelines, just as in the U.S.A., the evidence of compliance with the guidelines began to mount, as did the incidence of diabetes and related diseases.
Now, some 10% of the National Health Service budget is squandered on diabetes and its complications and the prognosis is no less dreadful than in the U.S.A.
Though nutrition “science” is as dominated by hard-Left extremists as climate “science”, courageous skeptics have begun to come forward. In Australia, a doctor who had recommended to diabetic patients that they should cut down on the carbohydrates and increase the fats was subjected to a two-year disciplinary process by the medical authorities, at the end of which they were compelled to admit defeat because he was curing his patients.
In Sweden, the medical authorities waged a similar campaign against a doctor for the crime of curing her patients of diabetes by telling them to eat fewer carbohydrates and more meat. She stood bravely firm and the authorities were compelled not only to issue a complete and abject apology but also to change the Swedish dietary guidelines.
Within two years, consumption of butter, which had been falling for two decades in accordance with the guidelines against saturated fats, had recovered to pre-guidelines levels, and the incidence of new diabetes cases began to fall.
Today, hardly a month goes by without a new double-blind trial, epidemiological study or meta-analysis in the medico-scientific journals demonstrating beyond doubt that diabetes and a range of other diseases are directly and principally attributable to the misguided guidelines recommending that carbohydrates should be the staple diet.
How do I know all this? Because 18 months ago I went to St Bartholomew’s Hospital in London to be told by a solemn-faced endocrinologist that I had diabetes. I had already suspected that, because I had noticed the distinctive odor sanctitatis on my skin. I had done some reading on it. So I told the specialist that I’d deal with it.
He said: “You are not taking me seriously. You must realize that you have full-blown diabetes. This is a serious condition. You will have to be medicated.”
I refused all medication. By then I had read enough to know that it was the government guidelines that had given me diabetes and that ignoring them would cure it.
Sure enough, after six months I went back to the endocrinologist, who looked at the test results and said that, though I was pre-diabetic, he would no longer diagnose diabetes.
Earlier this year, I went back again, this time at the hospital’s request, to undergo a day of tests not so much for my benefit as for theirs. The test showed that I was no longer even pre-diabetic. My blood sugar was normal. My blood pressure was that of an 18-year-old.
They were amazed that I had eradicated all symptoms of what they had until then imagined was an incurable, chronic, progressive and eventually fatal disease by nothing more complicated than cutting out carbohydrates almost completely, and eating rump steak three times a week, as well as lashings of bacon, full-fat cheese and heavy cream.
Oh, and fat doesn’t make you fat. I’ve lost 45 pounds – and I haven’t even dieted. Not a single calorie have I counted.
So when some pointy-head in a tinfoil hat from the Harvard Asylum for the Criminally Socialist says we should not eat meat, I beg to differ. However well-meaning the “Professor” is, and however naively perfervid is his belief in the New Religion of global warming, the advice to replace fats with carbohydrates is killing millions worldwide every year. Yet again, “settled science” – Socialist science – is wrong, and yet again genocidally so.
To the “professor“ I can only echo the sentiments expressed by the late, great Graham Chapman:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKZ5bP1wsB0
While fermentable fibre of vegetable origin is generally considered beneficial in that it feeds certain ‘good’ micro flora in the gut, many people with Chrone’s Disease or Ulcerative Colitis find that a low-residue diet is most beneficial. That means animal proteins. So this “Professpor of Nutrition” guy can go f himself.
In the wider dietary context, our (Western) problems are mainly related to too many people living to eat, rather than eating to live.
I’ll also bet dimes for Dollars that nobody incarcerated in a WW2 POW camp or concentration camp ever gained weight during their stay. Thermodynamics really does work when applied to diet.
They better not come after Beefeater Gin!
If anyone would like more extensive education on all this, a good book on the subject is “Nutrition in Crisis” by Richard David Feinman. The Nina Teicholz book “The Big Fat Surpise” is also excellent.
BTW, Ancel Key did nothing wrong and lived to 102. Watch the Plant Positive videos about the wrongness of the current high fat movement: https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/search?query=ancel
Yeah I have seen it; woefully uninformed. Some of the mistake physicians make when they prescribe or conduct studies using a high fat diet is they take it directly from the epilepsy playbook. They also do not prescribe weight lifting. They also have people eat too many calories. I find when I am in a fat adapted state I do not need as many total calories, regardless of my activities. Cut the eating window down to between 1000hrs and 1600hrs.
How you cook the food is as equally important.
And there is some new research suggesting yoyoing off and on a high fat diet may be problematic. I need to see more studies.
How do you know he followed his own advice? My understanding is that he was a bacon and eggs kinda guy. Ended his life in southern Europe, I think, where I live. We eat fat, fat and more fat and have the lowest rate of heart disease in the western world. Oh and please don’t cite the mediterranean ‘diet’, it doesn’t exist. We have sunshine.
In response to the prejudiced Mr Van Doren, Ancel Keys excluded two-thirds of his data from his 1951 paper, because they did not show the results he wanted. And he suppressed the results of the Minnesota study demonstrating his opposition to saturated fats to have been without foundation.
Ancel Keys did so, while no reasonable data on cardiovascular mortality was available from most countries. Did you even listen to the videos? They are excellent, one of the mostly precise on the topic.
It is in fact completely irrelevant what Dr. Keys did. Almost 70 years later we know in great pathophysiological and biochemical detail how it all works. We also do not need epidemiological studies for that, which are the weakest possible evidence anyway. Especially in the field of nutrition, since the food questionnaires are notoriously unreliable.
Therefore I highly recommend that you start with some basic science. Read “Clinical Lipidology: A Companion to Braunwald’s Heart Disease”. Read “Atlas of Atherosclerosis and Metabolic Syndrome”. Maybe read “Insulin Resistance, edited by Sarika Arora” to understand insulin signaling pathways. Then we talk.
In this week’s Newd Scientist a reader asks the following question, “From an environmental perspective, is it better to eat imported foods like tofu, quinoa and sweet potato, or beef from a farm a few kilometres up the road?”
First-up to respond was the famous scientist Mr George Nonbiot! He asserts the following:
“This question is easy to resolve. In a paper in Nature last year, a team led by Timothy Searchinger of Princeton University examined the impact of various foodstuffs in terms of carbon. This shows that protein from beef is 73 times worse than protein from soya.” [1],[2]
“A kilogram of beef protein has the equivalent carbon emissions of a passenger flying from London to New York and back.[3] The overall carbon cost of 1 kilogram of beef protein is equivalent to 1250kg of CO2. Aircraft emissions for long-haul flights are roughly 110 grams per passenger per kilometre, and the return distance is 11,170km – so 1229 kg of CO2.” [4]
“In discussing the carbon costs of food, we have greatly exaggerated the role of transport and greatly downplayed the impacts of land use. With the exception of food that is flown, transport tends constitute a small proportion of total carbon cost. The crucial environmental task is minimising the area used by farming. Beef is a highly inefficient use of land. Soya grown in prime sites, is a very efficient use of land – though not without its own major problems.”
“It is also worth noting that there might be more soya in your steak than in your slab of tofu, as the great majority of the world’s soya is grown for animal feed, and conversion efficiencies (especially when producing beef) ensure that you need to pump far more protein into an animal than you get out. [5] So even if you want to eat less soya, you should eat soya.” [6]
[My Comment 1] Was the research sponsored by Monsanto?
[My Comment 2] 73 times worse? The needle is bending itself around the end-stop of my BS detector!
[My Comment 3] I estimate that a return-flight Lon-NY burns about 100 gallons of Jet A1 per passenger.
[My Comment 4] 1229 kg = 1.2 tonnes. George, are you sure about this?]
[My Comment 5] Is grass ‘protein’?
[My Comment 6] Is Monbiot shilling for Monsanto?
Monbiot – “In discussing the carbon costs of food,…”
Carbon pollution.
If carbon is a bad thing then why is so much life based on it?
The cost of removing carbon “pollution” is measured in lives.
I would have thought such a disproportionate carbon cost would somehow be reflected in the price. The cheapest return flight from London to NY is a little over £200 ($250). But I can get a kilo of beef steak for about £10 ($12.50) at my local supermarket.
Chris,
Type O blood group I presume?
Let me debunk all you “experts” on diet. Your genetic make up, environment you live in, age and activity level will determine what is the best diet for you. And it will probably change over time when those parameters change. About 20 years ago I lost 15% of my body weight over 3 months to win a contest. Here’s how I did:
For breakfast I had a nutritional drink.
For lunch I had a bowl of homemade vegetable soup.
I had an apple for a mid afternoon snack.
For dinner I ate as much pasta with my homemade marinara sauce as I pleased along bread and butter and two glasses of milk.
I was never tired and had lots of energy. My body adjusted and I would only get hungry right before dinner time. By the end I couldn’t stop the weight from coming off.
Oh, did I mention that I ran 5 miles each and every morning? Calories in, calories out.
your point being, I survived a shit diet? Time will tell my friend.
Tom in Florida: “Your genetic make up, environment you live in, age and activity level will determine what is the best diet for you. And it will probably change over time when those parameters change.”
Absolutely. That’s why we’re seeing such conflicting studies in the comments above such as the Rice Diet vs. Paleo vs. Atkins and other diets mentioned.
Because one diet regime works for some people it doesn’t mean it will work for all people. If what you are doing isn’t working to keep your weight, blood pressure, inflammations, etc. under control. you’re doing it wrong. Try something else.
And you’re correct that it may change over time. I was just reading up on what the 1800s lumberjacks ate; about 8,000 -10,000 calories per day and there were no fat lumberjacks. You could guess what would happen if a lumberjack changed to a less rigorous line of work and continued to eat like a lumberjack.
Joel O’Bryan hinted at the genetic component when he asked about Christopher’s blood type. I’ve not heard anything about it, but it immediately struck me that someone has been studying blood type and diabetes and has probably found some intriguing correlations.
There is no one-size-fits-all-magic-bullet diet that everyone should follow. But I reiterate, if you’re having problems, you’re doing something wrong and should make changes until you find what works for you.
In response to HR, though it is true that genetic, age and other factors make each of us respond to food differently, there is a compellingly strong statistical association between high carbohydrate consumption and metabolic syndrome, obesity, diabetes and its sequelae, Alzheimer’s and dementia, to name but a few. For this reason, the dietary guidelines recommenting against fat, cholesterol and salt and in favor of carbohydrates are profoundly misconceived.m
Our bodies are chemical factories. We all have unique genetics, different nutritional absorption rates, and gut flora. There may be general rules that apply to large numbers of people, but we all must find the diet that suits our bodies the best.
I suspect that much harm has been done by past efforts to reduce fats, resulting in increasing sugar and carbs, and that too much or too little of anything may create problems. I am 69, on no medications, in good health, but need to lose twenty or so pounds and my cholesterol is highish (BP is fine). Reducing my consumption of bread, cake, pies, potatoes, and rice, and adding a little more meat, eggs, and ice cream sounds like a good (and safe) experiment. Fortunately, vodka has essentially no carbs! A toast to the good health of everyone!?
Jtom should beware: vodka contains alcohol, which is a sugar.
All alcohol has carbs. About 100 calories per shot of 100 proof (if I recall correctly).
here are the dead sea scrolls of nutrition:
‘Letter on Corpulence’ is arguably the most important Diet Book ever written. Long before the Atkins Diet and the rush of low-carb diets that followed came a book written – not by Doctors or Nutritionists – but by a humble Victorian Undertaker: William Banting. … Google Books
Originally published: 1863
Modern English version of Banting:
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/infographics/banting-letter-on-corpulence-in-todays-english
It’s unhealthy to eat too many carbs. But it’s MUCH worse to eat gobs of refined sugars including but not limited to high fructose corn syrup. And, of course, food manufacturers add tons of refined sugars to all the “healthy low-fat” products in an attempt to restore some semblance of flavor.
Here is the money quote from a large study (135,000 participants) published in the Lancet (a generally respectable medical journal) last November 2017:
“High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings. ”
Consumption of saturated fat lowers risk of stroke!!!!!
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
Dismal failure to recognize the differences between poor and [rich]
reachcountries. Junk research really.Mr Van Doren appears to have a strong prejudice in favor of carbohydrate consumption. However, the Lancet study is by no means the only study to have revealed that higher carbohydrate intake implies higher mortality and higher fat intake implies lower mortality.
Do you know what, or if, distinctions were made in those studies between complex carbs and simple/refined carbs? I get the feeling that folks are not making a distinction between the two when talking about carbs.
Sir, you pedal junk science.
The cause of diabetes is unknown. You confuse correlation with causation.
Cutting sugar and processed carbohydrates is part of the treatment for diabetes. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SUGAR AND PROCESSED CARBOHYDRATES THE CAUSE OF DIABETES.
Nor can diabetes be ‘cured.’ It can be successfully treated. Lord Monckton, YOU STILL HAVE IT! Change your ways and the symptoms will come roaring back!
How do I know? I’ve been down the same road as you. Father had it; two older brothers have it. When I broke my leg in 2006 which stopped my exercise, diabetes symptoms arose in one week. Changes in my diet cut the symptoms. Resumption of exercise in 10 weeks caused it to completely disappear.
On the overall topic of government dietary guidelines being junk – even dangerous – you are spot on.
In reply to Gamecock, I did not alter my diet until I had done extensive reading in the medico-scientific journals. The increase in the incidence and prevalence of type 2 diabetes is indeed caused by an excess of carbohydrates.
If anyone has a genetic predisposition to develop a disease, that predisposition is unalterable. However, the diagnosis of diabetes depends upon five markers none of which is now present in my case. I am, therefore, cured, but remain genetically prone to the disease – just as one might be cured of the common cold but might later catch another cold.
By avoiding carbohydrates, I shall prevent the re-emergence of diabetes. The mechanism by which excess consumption of carbohydrates causes diabetes is well understood and established in the medico-scientific journals. Briefly, carbohydrates become glucose in the body very much faster than the other two macronutrients, and it is the repeated demands upon the pancreas for insulin to manage the resulting glucose spikes that cause diabetes.
Carbohydrates no more cause diabetes than glutin causes celiac disease.
People with diabetes have metabolic problems related to insulin. They can react to sugars and carbohydrates resulting in excess sugar in their blood. It is the diabetes that causes the reaction, not the carbohydrates. People who don’t have diabetes don’t get excess sugar in their blood from the same carbohydrates. People with diabetes who keep their weight down and get sufficient exercise – as in me – don’t get excess sugar in their blood.
Sir, you put the cart before the horse. Diabetes is the problem, not carbohydrates.
But perhaps there is a sound reason for your speculation concerning government guidelines. There are vast numbers of people who have diabetes and don’t know it; their behavior – diet, weight, exercise – have it controlled. The controls work whether intentional or not. Perhaps government caused people to mess up their diet and eat more carbohydrates, pushing them over the threshold of good control, such that their diabetes was expressed. But, again, it is their diabetes that causes their problems. Blaming carbs is ridiculous.
“Nor can diabetes be ‘cured.’ It can be successfully treated. Lord Monckton, YOU STILL HAVE IT! Change your ways and the symptoms will come roaring back! ”
That sounds like global warming disease. The symptoms may go away, but the warming is always there. If diabetes is diet-dependent, and the diet is changed to preclude such, then the patient is healed. Congratulations to Monckton of Brenchley for doing what his doctor couldn’t.
This is worthy of another Guy Fawkes style celebration – a night featuring ribeye steak, fireworks, and burnt effigies. And here the author has teed up several candidates. We could go positively medieval about it, and have such a holiday celebration every fortnight, with a different effigy each time throughout the year.
A bit of study, and it might be weekly.
@ur momisuglyEVD
[quote]”Here is the science behind the insulin resistance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrpQeRY7jXU
Fats are the culprit, so please stop pushing high fat diets.”[/quote]
Dude! C’mon man @ur momisugly 13:48 — 17:35: They clearly state that Glucose ingested gets convert to glycogen then fat(lipids) and it is this conversion of glucose to fatty acid that is blocking the GLUT4 uptake receptor. You completely misunderstood. Also look at the next section of the video 18:19; surprise surprise Carbohydrate storage problem in IR people.
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@ur momisuglyErast Van Doren said, “____ _____ is a fraud.”
Without evidence that could be consider either defamation or libel — recommend you ask the MODS to remove the comment and insert an apology. There are currently 3-4 active articles on WUWT dealing and detailing what can happen when you cross the line.
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Here is some of my evidence for and how to use the right fat for a paleo(eat this way)/ketogenic(exercise to remain in nutritional ketosis) lifestyle:
https://www.carbmanager.com/article/the-best-and-worst-fats-to-consume-on-keto-f673a066-f455-99f4-62b6-c5c1fdcd0fbc
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805219
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5981249/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25686106
https://www.rd.com/health/dr-fung-reverse-diabetes/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5450454/
https://www.virtahealth.com/
https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pbio.2005143
No, you are the one who misunderstood it. What was said there (btw, the lecture is pretty basic, I was merely listening to it to be sure the lecturer wouldn’t say anything outrageous):
1. High level of blood NEFA increases intracellular fat in muscle cells
2. Intracellular fat in muscle cells produces DAGs
3. DAGs inhibit IRS-1, thus breaking insulin signaling
4. Without functioning insulin signaling translocation of GLUT-4 into the cell membrane is significantly reduced
5. Therefore strongly reduced glucose intake into the muscle cells
6. Blood glucose remains high
7. Liver has insulin-independent glucose transporters
8. Therefore the liver takes much more glucose in than needed
9. Too much glucose in the liver – it will be converted into liver fat.
But what was the cause of all this? Too much NEFA in the blood. And when is there too much NEFA? When you eat too much fat. Even more precisely there are two main sources of NEFA:
1. Fatty acid spillover after a fatty meal
2. Fatty acid release by the fat tissue. Which depends on the availability of glucose and the undisturbed insulin signaling. Too little glucose – you will be transporting too much of fatty acids through your vessels. Bad insulin signaling (because of too much fat!) – and liver/adipose tissue will be unable to adjust.
As I said – fats are the culprit. Anyway, I know biochemistry of civilization diseases in great detail, so please don’t tell me, that I misunderstood something. I could explain every little detail how something works regarding diabetes or atherosclerosis.
All your references are completely irrelevant here. Yes, β-hydroxybutyrate inhibits NLRP3, thus slightly reducing inflammation. The problem is, fatty meals strongly induce inflammation in the first place.
@EVD
PS: Based on the above post I remain skeptical of your abilities to think clearly and logically and of the value you add to these discussions but please continue…
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None of what you are saying matches the reality that most of us have seen or are living through.
You seem to ignore the evolutionary history of homo sapiens, if not all progenitor hominids and humanoids species which extend back in time several million years and needed some metabolic way to exist when there was no agriculture and they potentially lived when food scarcity was their normal. We, in the western or developed world, live a unique place in our species evolutionary history of food abundance.
“High carb – not harmful. Starches are the foundation of our civilization.”
This has been only true for ~8000 years. And I would add, detrimental to good and optimal health of the species. This is the time when modern diseases started to creep into our pathology.
” 9. Too much glucose in the liver – it will be converted into liver fat.”
Agreed, exactly. This is, however, where your ideas and logic fail. This is an over-eating of glucose or any other macro-nutrient made worse by being sedentary. Your Youtube video clearly states this as well. You are getting your cart and horse backwards. The human body works better by eating less regardless of diet. Helping a human eat less is eating a meal that keeps insulin and ghrelin low are high satiety meals. Yes, it was basic energy metabolism biochemistry but who are you to judge that lecturer. That’s very ballsy and arrogant; I am one of those people that has spent time radio labeling some of those molecules; fyi.
“All your references are completely irrelevant here. Yes, β-hydroxybutyrate inhibits NLRP3, thus slightly reducing inflammation. The problem is, fatty meals strongly induce inflammation in the first place.”
And I am suppose to just believe you without you citing specific rebuttal papers; this sounds like fallacy or circular logic to my ears; this is not scientific discourse. This isn’t my work; you are not arguing with me per-se. I also have no bloody idea who you are and I looked. I had never seen you post anything until this topic. I think you are joke; perhaps a shrill; you call people a fraud but offer no evidence; this is not scientific discourse. I do not take anyone’s word for nearly anything without first looking through the data, processing and assimilating data that myself and you have not proven to me that your arguments have merit. And I have worked, for the past 12 years, tangentially close to this by tracking glucose metabolism and other energy metabolism molecules through radio-labeling.
It occurs to me some of this may come down to the standard heuristic paradigm of Tool/Application:
Tool: Various Diets or more appropriately “Eating Lifestyles”
Application: Matching said Tool to metabolic disorder
And diet(eating lifestyle) would change based on qualified and quantified medical/scientific reporting of the patient in as close to real time as possible based on the real time medical needs of the patient. For instance, a patient in trauma needs a higher protein intake as the body is in repair mode.
That should be the true differential diagnosis.
@EVD gave his game away with me with just one sentence at the end of one of his posts. My ignore mode was turned on. Like you I also wonder from where he sprung from.
@mikebartnz
I saw that sentence as well…and thank you.
On top of that he ignores archeology and the evolution biology of our pre-agriculture existence where the species was in constant food scarcity mode and certainly metabolically ketogenic.
@ur momisugly JEHILL I see little sense trying to explain anything to you, because you clearly don’t know and don’t understand biochemistry in the slightest. And on the more generic level I’ve already told you how it works: fatty acids disrupt insulin signaling making all the adverse effects possible. Carbs are completely innocent here.
@EVD
I just did a search using the following “Fatty acid and insulin resistance”:
3rd paragraph of the Introduction, 2nd sentence:
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4587882/
from the study —>@MODS — if you feel these cannot be quote in this fashion please snip
“In the past, access to adequate nutrients was a major concern. Today we have a new concern: Excess nutrient intake. However, even in this regard, insulin plays a primary role in defending the body against potential damage by using the adipose tissue, liver, and skeletal muscle as biological buffers against excess nutrient intake. This is important since all dietary nutrients are naturally inflammatory since their metabolism into other biological materials or conversion to energy can generate molecular responses that can activate increased inflammation [4]. This means that the intake of excess nutrients sets the foundation for the generation of excess inflammation. In the face of increased inflammation, the ability of insulin to orchestrate metabolism becomes compromised.”
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism : — not my favorite reference source but it is convenient in this case—-> @MODS — if you feel these cannot be quote in this fashion please snip
under the section “Dietary sources of fatty acids, their digestion, absorption, transport in the blood and storage” 1st and 2nd paragraphs.
“A significant proportion of the fatty acids in the body are obtained from the diet, in the form of triglycerides of either animal or plant origin. The fatty acids in the fats obtained from land animals tend to be saturated, whereas the fatty acids in the triglycerides of fish and plants are often polyunsaturated and therefore present as oils.
These triglycerides, cannot be absorbed by the intestine.[25] They are broken down into mono- and di-glycerides plus free fatty acids (but no free glycerol) by pancreatic lipase, which forms a 1:1 complex with a protein called colipase (also a constituent of pancreatic juice), which is necessary for its activity. The activated complex can work only at a water-fat interface. Therefore, it is essential that fats are first emulsified by bile salts for optimal activity of these enzymes.[26] The digestion products consisting of a mixture of tri-, di- and monoglycerides and free fatty acids, which, together with the other fat soluble contents of the diet (e.g. the fat soluble vitamins and cholesterol) and bile salts form mixed micelles, in the watery duodenal contents (see diagrams on the right).[25][27] ”
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Furthermore: Fatty acid are NOT from dietary intake, they are made from either carbohydrates, fats, or and proteins but rarely and whether they are used for energy or stored is based on the real time signaling which is why I have adapted to a slower eating pattern regardless of my the macro-nutrient distribution intake. Additionally, I marry up my work-out routines with a small amount protein intake before, during, and after exercise as this is the only macro that is not stored. The current problem is excess consumption or intake; i.e. too many calories; too little moving around.
I stand by my comments and assertions of your inabilities. I add that in this whole process you have been intellectually dishonest; and now everybody besides me knows why. You could have done the same internet search and linked to the same article that I did and we both could have learned something and even possibility progressed the conversation forward in a positive and collaborative way.
I had hoped that your arrogance and hubris would have taken a back seat. I see now that this is not an intellectual or analytical subject for you but an emotional subject that has transcended to a belief system with its own dogma.
My eyes hurt to read such nonsense )) Why don’t you shut up and just listen, given the chance? There are not many people in the world who understand the topic better than I do.
Fats (triacylglycerols = 3 fatty acids + glycerol) can exists in the human body in 2 forms: disassembled into fatty acids and glycerol, or assembled into tryacylglycerol (=triglyceride) again. This conversion happens again and again in human body. Why? Because fatty acids in free form are toxic to the human body, but tryacylglycerols are too big to be passed around through membranes. Fats are stored as TG, they are transported as TGs in lipoproteins, but consumed as FAs. They are also send on their last trip as FA, because in this form they are very short lived – half-time of FAs bound to albumin is just a few minutes and the concentration is very low – you typically have no more than 0.1-0.5g of FA in total in your blood. Therefore they can’t break much havoc. Until you eat too much fat…
The entire system of fat metabolism is designed in such way as to keep FA concentration as low as possible – FA are always combined back to TGs when they are not to be consumed immediately or to be passed through a membrane.
Quote ” Why don’t you shut up and just listen, given the chance? There are not many people in the world who understand the topic better than I do.”
What a horribly narcissistic comment and I don’t believe you as I found virtually nothing about you on the internet and with what you said at the end of one of your posts I would not believe a thing you said.
@EVD
If it actually worked the way you described then no one would lose weight, or at least not fat weight. It seems like you merged Lipolysis(removed from storage due to low insulin and delivery to cells, etc) and Beta Oxidation(consumed for energy in mitochondria) in a nonfunctional way. But none of this specific biochemical machinery is the actual conversation. This certainly does not lead to extra inflammation or no more than any of the macronutrients can cause when they are in excess nor prove your hypothesis.
Excess intake is the real problem regardless of the macronutrients.
You still haven’t explained how we survived metabolically prior to agriculture.
I got to tell you just because you claim to be an expert holds no weight; it is also the “experts” that got the western world into this inflammatory condition in the first place.
An excellent post, but there are almost certainly more ruminants in Canada and the USA today than there were in AD 1492. Not a huge amount more, probably less than double and on average less massive, but still a non-trivial difference.
Not that it matters.
Regarding diets, two points, as meat comes from animals eating mostly grass, is the artificial meat made from plants chemically identical to real meat. ?
Second point, as people, millions, who live in the real Third World , are eating a largely vegetarian diet, what is their level of health like compared to the meat eaters of the first world. ?
As a final item, Hitler was a vegetarian .
MJE VK5ELL
Awesome Michael, Impressed with your thoughts and your knowledge.
Although late to the discussion, I just wanted to say well done Lord Monckton. This is a subject dear to my heart as well.
The beauty of nutrition science is you can experiment on yourself …. don’t believe it? Try it yourself. Wish we could do that with climate science.
What is most irritating for me as a US medical insurance payer, is that even though we can take control of our own health , we still all pay for those who don’t … who follow these ill-conceived “dietary guidelines”. A class action suit against the government to re-coup wasted health care costs, not to mentioned ruined health and lives, due to these guidelines seems appropriate.
The parallels between “consensus nutrition” and “consensus climate science” are many and profound if you dig into both. I dig into the climate science as a geologist , geophysicist & meteorologist and my wife digs into nutrition as as biologist (and has the exact same opinions as Lord Monckton) . We laugh at how many similarities there are and how the 2 are becoming intertwined. Actually , it is quite sad.
I would recommend readers also research the links between healthy brain function and animal fats … the idea that alarmists , especially vegan ones, suffer from cognitive disorders is not as far fetched as you might think. Check it out & decide for your selves.
“…eating a diet that’s especially high in red meat will be undermining the sustainability of the climate.”
What, pray tell, is a sustainable climate!?
Jordan Peterson and his daughter adoped heavy beef-eating a few years ago and observed great improvements in their weight and health.
Even herbivores need to avoid excessive sugar & starch consumption in order to avoid laminitis! Humans should tread carefully.(No pun intended)
Great apes fed “healthy” fruit diets have an extremely high incidence of heart disease. Changing their diets to forage has all but eliminated the problem.
https://www.topspec.com/laminitis-in-horses/
Another passionate debate,I do take issue with the “establishment ” guide lines of carbohydrate based diet ,it does sound so logical,”cut out them nasty fats people”eat your veg, supplement with high protein grubs” here we now go into the world of comparisons with the global warmests,another agenda from the same people,save the planet,”eat bugs” we wont to destroy beef,dairy farming, to reduce co2 and rewild the country side. Well good luck with that,you have convinced me, to up my consumption of red meat to reduce my poor man’s carb intake,imlooking forward to my little experiment,to see if my energy and general fitness does go in the right direction,(I’ve just had a kidney removed because of cancer,it was big but low grade)
It’s no coincidence, that the “agenda” is attacking us the people on lots of fronts,and has been for decade’s, from the food we eat,to what we drive,to our choice of power generation,all have one thing in common “choice”with no consensus being taken away,hence the drive for a forced consensus in a one sided propaganda MSM political drive.
High fat – harmful: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=high+fat+diet
Cholesterol – very harmful: Clinical Lipidology – A Companion to Braunwald’s Heart Disease
Eggs – harmful
Dairy – harmful
Meat – lean meat is OK in small amounts, but if your heart disease risk is high – better cut it out too
Fish – one pound a week provides you with omega-3 and cobalamin.
High carb – not harmful. Starches are the foundation of our civilization.
In the early 1990s I was tricked by the “nutrition experts consensus” that the path to health was through a high carb -low fat diet. After about a year of following what became known as the “Entammans diet”(They stripped all the fats out of pastries and added sugar.) I was in terrible shape – couldn’t stay awake, focus and knew something bad was going on. I began following a series of low carb. diets (The Zone, Atkins, Paleo etc.) and did somewhat better.
Recently, I began following the Time Restricted Eating (TRE – Dr. Panda) method and found it really works for me. I eat reasonable amounts of food within an 8-12 hour period and then fast until the next day. I also avoid MD’s and their recommendation on Statins – diets etc.
The best summary of our current heath care industry that I’ve found comes from a Cardiologist from York England – Dr. Gupta who says
“I believe that the healthcare industry rarely ever provides healthcare. Instead it provides disease management by using expensive and potentially harmful pills to mask symptoms.”
Christopher
The 7-day deadline, which you imposed in your letter of complaint to Nature Communications, has passed. What is the status of the situation?