UK Climate Emergency: “the climate denial movement has run its course”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The UK parliament has caved in to Extinction Rebellion climate protests and declared a climate emergency.

After weeks of protests, UK becomes first country to declare ‘climate emergency’

THURSDAY 2 MAY 2019 6:59PM

The UK has become the first country in the world to declare a national climate emergency following protests and acts of civil disobedience from a grassroots environmental group that launched in October.

The Extinction Rebellion has changed the paradigm of climate protests, according to Leo Barasi, the author of Climate Majority, a book investigating how to shift public opinion about climate change. 

He’s also written a Master’s thesis on whether climate protests will ever convince lawmakers to act on climate change (his conclusion, they wouldn’t).

“I found that extreme weather sometimes influences public opinion, while UN climate conferences and IPCC reports often trigger media coverage and parliamentary debates,” Barasi wrote on his blog.

“But climate protests generally have little direct effect on any of these.”

For 10 days in April, tens of thousands of people committed acts of civil disobedience, including blocking traffic across the Thames, gluing themselves onto trains, graffiting the headquarters of oil giant Shell, and blockading the stock exchange.

And it apparently worked: The protests led to two separate parliamentary debates, and these were capped this week by the successful climate emergency motion.

How did the protests work where others have failed?

But showing the protests have worked doesn’t help explain why this happened now, in April 2019, after apparently failing every other time.
One theory is that the climate denial movement has run its course.

Richard Black, a former BBC environment correspondent and author of Denied: the Rise and Fall of Climate Contrarianism, told the Guardian the BBC appears to have stopped giving air time to climate deniers to ‘balance’ the debate.

Mainstream media is now taking the issue seriously, he said: “The facts have changed. And in the end, if you want to be credible you have to go with the facts.”

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/uk-becomes-first-country-in-world-to-declare-climate-emergency/11074582

The government funded BBC dominates UK broadcast media, so their decision in 2007 to exclude competing viewpoints may have had a significant impact on public opinion.

The following is a video of the speech which led to bipartisan UK parliament agreement there is a climate emergency (speech by Jeremy Corbyn, the brother of British climate skeptic Piers Corbyn ).

British MP Michael Gove responded by agreeing there is a climate emergency (an apparent change from his previous position when he was negotiating with climate protestors). According to Breitbart Gove said;

“I want to make it clear that on this side of the House we recognise that this situation IS an emergency, it IS a crisis, and it IS a threat that all of us have to meet.”

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/01/goves-green-cant-is-a-betrayal-of-conservative-principles/

The UK does not have a constitutional right to free speech – in my opinion, any escalation of government sanctions against climate skeptics for the duration of the “climate emergency” could mean difficult times ahead for climate skeptics based in Britain.

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n.n
May 2, 2019 9:09 pm

The Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming prophecy is progressing as a laboratory experiment extrapolated to global proportions. Just how green are they?

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  n.n
May 2, 2019 10:41 pm

If skeptics are so few in number, and therefore inconsequential, why are they so obsessed with us? They seem to write an inordinate number of papers/studies/articles about us, and how to talk us into falling into line … I suspect our numbers are much higher than they pretend.

Greg
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
May 3, 2019 1:21 am

Skeptics are far out-numbered by those who real problems to deal with and don’t give damn about what climate may or may not be like in 50y. Sadly they do not seem to realise how this fake “crisis” is affecting their real problems here and now.

There is a climate crisis: a climate propaganda crisis.

“The facts have changed. “

Yes, the facts have been changed by BoM, UEA, NASA, NOAA …. then “facts” never cease to change.

a_scientist
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 7:53 am

“temperatures” never cease to change.

Orwellian manipulation of past data…he who controls the present controls the past.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 8:44 am

Greg is very right – this is an issue that tends to slip past the average citizen like any other supposedly do-gooder cause – ‘its for the environment – what harm can it do?’

Bryan A
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 9:40 am

Actually, if it is Fact, by its very nature it cannot change. Facts are constant. The only thing that can change is our understanding of their nature.

D Cage
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 12:34 pm

So why not just answer the questions which are a long list of why the predictions are all wrong and why we are funding renewable energy that simply does not work as anyone whose view is utterly suicidally depressingly blighted by wind turbines will tell you.
I think free Dignitas services vouchers should be a human right to anyone who has a wind farm erected in their view. I for one would jump at the offer as everywhere I have tried to move to is either too urban or already wrecked by your vile and cruel crowd.
If it was not a fake crisis then the hundred months to out of control global warming has expired and all that has happened is they changed the name to climate change but otherwise it is actually colder if you don’t allow them to cook the figures first.
What is your corrupt agenda Greg? What are your land holdings or renewable energy investments as otherwise you would have to be a certifiable sub normal if you can believe what you spout.

bit chilly
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
May 3, 2019 5:25 pm

Exactly. Too many people paying attention to the small but vociferous eco mentalist bubble that exists in the major UK cities.Not once have i heard the “climate denier” phrase in person anywhere in the UK and i often raise the topic in conversation.

The eco loon bubble is similar to the echo chamber that is Lib/Lab/Con in British politics and will be in for a rude awakening in the near future when it sees the same result at the ballot box.I hope the new Brexit Party make this a major part of the manifesto when it is created, spelling out exactly what enforcing the cult of climate believers would do to their current lifestyle and that of their children.It would be many times worse than anything the co2 is bad brigade could ever imagine.

Robber
May 2, 2019 9:13 pm

So if it’s an emergency, what are they going to do now? All hold their breath?

MarkG
Reply to  Robber
May 2, 2019 9:47 pm

Silly, isn’t it?

Probably just want some twaddle to divert attention from the lack of Brexit.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkG
May 2, 2019 10:13 pm

BINGO!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Patrick MJD
May 3, 2019 12:42 am

Bang on!!!!!

Bryan A
Reply to  Alan the Brit
May 3, 2019 9:28 am

Should have taken off their little girl panties and put on their big boy pants long ago. This decision only proves the MPs have no brass so I guess the little girl panties fit them comfortably

Reply to  MarkG
May 2, 2019 10:36 pm

Or the disastrous results of the local elections

Greg
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 3, 2019 1:30 am

Yes, the govt. is desperate for any distraction from their Brexit fiasco. As always the best distraction from earthly problems is to point up to the sky and say : ” OMG , look up there! There is an invisible, odourless, tasteless, non-toxic gas which will destroy the earth and humanity itself. We must act now!”

Britain is heading straight into the wall, so the best thing to do is get the children to watch some eco-sci-fi movie on thier iPhones.

John Law
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 3:44 am

Don’t forget that the uk gave the world David Icke.
Michael Gove is keeping up our world lead in lunacy!

Edith Wenzel
Reply to  Robber
May 2, 2019 9:58 pm

Your are hilarious. Never thought of declaring the stupidity that way.

Reply to  Robber
May 2, 2019 10:36 pm

Tax us more.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robber
May 3, 2019 1:01 am

Ban the poor having a car.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/amsterdam-brings-in-bizarre-plan-to-ban-all-but-electric-cars-by-2030/
Amsterdam city council has published plans to ban all but electric cars from the city by 2030 in a move that officials hope will extend locals’ life expectancy by three months.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Robertvd
May 3, 2019 11:04 am

Except those who need to get to a hospital for care or a shop for food.

John Robertson
May 2, 2019 9:33 pm

Nice attempt to change the focus from the Treason of No Brexit, to Gang Green.
I suspect it will not save the seats of most of the politicians who just demonstrated their abject gullibility and lack of courage, one more time.

Sewer rats probably now poll higher than UK politicians.

wws
Reply to  John Robertson
May 3, 2019 4:19 am

You’ve hit the nail on the head – this is all that is going on. They don’t have a clue as to how to face the real problems, so what to do? Make a Fake Problem and Declare you’ve fixed it by asserting even more government control!

But the UK’s biggest error is that they are still thinking that it is 1885 and that what they say do has some wider importance. It doesn’t – the UK of 2019 is a washed up, economically stagnant little backwater that has lost all of the influence and prestige that it once had. They can vote for whatever they want, do whatever they want, because now it truly Does Not Matter, not to anyone else in the world.

Gerry, England
Reply to  John Robertson
May 3, 2019 5:59 am

In tests I believe rats easily outperformed our Morons of Parliament.

MarkW
Reply to  Gerry, England
May 3, 2019 7:01 am

Rats can be trained.

Tim.
Reply to  Gerry, England
May 3, 2019 7:04 am

Link?

MangoChutney
Reply to  Tim.
May 3, 2019 11:50 pm

No link required, amoeba can outperform these idiots

Mr.
May 2, 2019 9:38 pm

Isn’t this the same thing as yelling “FIRE!” in an enclosed space?

Edward Hurst
May 2, 2019 9:38 pm

This is politics. The Labour opposition started supporting climate concern etc etc so the governing Conservative party stepped in to out manoeuvre them. Hopefully it will lead to nuclear power and planting lots of native trees. 🍃🙂

D Cage
Reply to  Edward Hurst
May 3, 2019 12:39 pm

They blocked the land use change to woodland as it upset the air flow to the wind farm. Someone discovered that it might not need one as it once was recorded as woodland so we might well be able to wreck the wind turbine company investment.

John F. Hultquist
May 2, 2019 10:18 pm

Elon Musk has a Mars colonization plan. It can’t come soon enough.
All the MPs that believe in this climate emergency (throw in the Democrats from the USA) should be happy to go to Mars as colonists where from they can monitor the unfolding of the calamity here on Earth.
When Earth is still happy and prosperous in 2070, invite them back.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 2, 2019 10:40 pm

Gee, I would think that after the so called climate emergency, A colony on earth would be much easier to do – you don’t have to send rockets into outer space, ETC.

Provocateur
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 5, 2019 11:52 pm

We wouldn’t ACTUALLY send them.

We’d just put them in a ship with displays, shake it around a bit, then set them aside until they’re old and senile.

Although it might be difficult to determine any change when they get senile.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 2, 2019 10:44 pm

But isn’t the Martian atmosphere almost entirely CO2?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
May 2, 2019 11:14 pm

It is, as well as pressure is about 0.6bar, plus no magnetic field so you would be bombarded by solar rays and it would be cold too.

Jit
Reply to  Patrick MJD
May 3, 2019 2:04 am

0.006 bar

/pedantry

wws
Reply to  Jit
May 3, 2019 4:21 am

Mars ain’t a place to raise your kids
in fact it’s cold as hell

Elton John taught me that.

Don
Reply to  Jit
May 5, 2019 11:31 am

.01 bar to be completely accurate , not that it matters . But I agree , a colony on Mars why? Exploration , yes , I can’t wait for that but man attempting to set up home there ?

Newminster
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 2:30 am

If Earth is still prosperous in 2070 why would we want to invite them back? They’ll just start the whole farce all over again.

Sara
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 3:43 am

Martian soil is full of perchlorates, which are not suitable for agriculture. That means all food items must be imported from Earth.

Reply to  Sara
May 3, 2019 8:36 am

You didn’t see the Matt Damon movie?

Sara
Reply to  philincalifornia
May 3, 2019 10:46 am

They already had a greenhouse there when he was stranded. There IS water ice on Mars, and the perchlorates can be used to as a source of oxygen for colonists, and to create fuel for whatever rockets go there, but perchlorates are poisonous to humans at even 0.5%.

Andrew Dickens
Reply to  Sara
May 3, 2019 11:38 am

So where do Mars Bars come from then?

Coach Springer
Reply to  Andrew Dickens
May 3, 2019 3:27 pm

Heh

F1nn
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 3:52 am

“When Earth is still happy and prosperous in 2070, invite them back.”

I think one way ticket would be better. We have enough idiotic politicians here, and every new Mars colonist is our win.

John Endicott
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 5:09 am

When Earth is still happy and prosperous in 2070, invite them back.

Why so they can once again attempt to ruin the prosperity? no thanks. They get a one-way ticket to mars and no backsies.

Richard Rounds
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 6:25 am

Mars by 2030!! About as likely as the “green-dreams”.

John Endicott
Reply to  Richard Rounds
May 3, 2019 7:27 am

Mars by 2030!! About as likely as the “green-dreams”.

sorry but you are wrong. The “green-dreams” are totally unrealistic (in resources and costs with results that would not accomplished the stated goals) whereas we’ve already sent stuff to Mars so we could send people to Mars today if we wanted. Granted they’ll be long dead by the time their corpses touch down on the red planet, but we have the technology to send them nonetheless.

Since we already have the tech to send stuff, we can send unmanned construction drones/robots to build and prepare the colony infrastructure while we figure out how to get the colonists there alive. In theory that could be accomplished by 2030 with the resources we have available assuming we were willing to allocated enough of those resources to the project. In short it’s actually something the could theoretically be accomplished per its stated goals – so there really is no comparison between the two.

Sara
Reply to  Richard Rounds
May 3, 2019 10:49 am

Just make sure you have plenty of dust rags and spray to deal with the dust of Mars that will creep in through every minute crack and crevice, just like sandstorms in Texas did when we lived there.

The soil of Mars is very powdery. Use a lot of filters on your regulator, and when the canals are finally built for transportation, kids will be able to skate on them in the cold seasons. (See “Red Planet” R.A. Heinlein for reference.)

Bryan A
Reply to  Sara
May 3, 2019 1:22 pm

Dust could be a problem though not infiltrating through cracks and crevices. Since any habitable space would need to be pressurized, any cracks would out-gas. Any dust would come from space suit contamination through air locks.
Of course dust and soil issues could arise from doming over a lava tube skylight and creating a pressurized interior space.

ferd berple
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 3, 2019 8:00 am

“And they made sure they sent you lot off first did they?” inquired Arthur.

“Oh yes,” said the Captain, “well everyone said, very nicely I thought, that it was very important for morale to feel that they would be arriving on a planet where they could be sure of a good haircut and where the phones were clean.”

Alan Smith
Reply to  ferd berple
May 5, 2019 3:53 am

And since we adopted the leaf as currency, we’ve all become fabulously rich.

Russ Wood
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
May 5, 2019 3:04 am

In reading this, I’m reminded of Kornbluth’s solution in “The Marching Morons”. Sometimes, as in that book, a “Final Solution’ may be the only way out…
Either that, or the Golgafrincham Ark Fleet…

mikebartnz
May 2, 2019 10:27 pm

*Stopped giving air time to climate deniers to balance the debate*
How pathetic can someone get.

MarkW
Reply to  mikebartnz
May 3, 2019 7:04 am

If there arguments were as strong as they claim, they would be eager to debate with skeptics.
The fact that they feel the need to shut down the other sides just shows that even they know they are pushing garbage.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
May 3, 2019 7:30 am

Indeed. When ones opponent is weak, one is most eager to take them on. When one is weak, one is most eager to avoid ones opponents. Their actions in shutting down their opponents reveals which side is the weak one.

Adrian Brock
May 2, 2019 10:30 pm

“The uk does not have a constitutional right to free speech”

The right is included in the EU’s Lisbon treaty.

Even before that the uk enacted the European Declaration of Human Rights into its law.

Strictly speaking these are not constitutional but they have a similar affect.

Greg
Reply to  Adrian Brock
May 3, 2019 1:35 am

They may have a similar effect…. until they are revoked. That is just as easy as creating them. That is the whole point of having a constitution. To prevent simple arbitrary change to core values by the govt of the day.

The Lisbon Treaty also gives us the “right to look for work”. Oh thank you, your lordship, how kind of you !!

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
May 3, 2019 7:05 am

Nobody has a right to a job.
Just like the declaration of independence says we have a right to pursue happiness, it doesn’t say we have a right to be happy.

OweninGA
Reply to  Adrian Brock
May 3, 2019 7:18 am

I do not think “free speech” means the same thing in the Lisbon Treaty. When I look to all the signatories who have legislatively defined as “hate speech” any speech that contradicts any social justice position or supports traditional European values or in some cases, speech which could lead to the ruling party’s loss in the next election, there is no real free speech in the EUSSR.

May 2, 2019 10:37 pm

How did the UK get so stupid/idiotic/Non- common sense. . . ???

MarkG
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 2, 2019 10:46 pm

Seventy years of exporting the ‘best and brightest’ in the Brain Drain.

And I mean that quite literally. If you look at the emigration figures, it’s clear that the country has spent decades exporting many of their brightest kids, and there’s reportedly been a significant decline in IQ over the same period. Many of the people I was at university with there are now living overseas.

So the kids who should have grown up to run the country are living in America, Australia and Canada, instead. Hence they’re left with a government of dummies.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkG
May 3, 2019 12:57 am

Australia is up there with the UK with the brain drain and Govn’t idiocy. We have a general election on the 18th of May and everyone believes the climate emergency is the top policy priority. Going to be interesting to see what sort of Govn’t we get. My wife keeps telling me we should just nick off to the US.

john harmsworth
Reply to  MarkG
May 3, 2019 11:18 am

Canada calling, we seem to have more than enough dummies of our own. Including our fearless leader. Also, many of the Brits who came here seem to be of the Labour variety and are also militant and obnoxious.
After I saw what Labour did to Britain before Maggie took over I understood how much damage Socialism can and does cause.
For some reason we keep trying the only ideology that has NEVER, EVER worked, anywhere, anytime!

PeterGB
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
May 3, 2019 4:07 am

Apart from “exporting” our finest, this is also the consequence of Blair placing our educational system in the hands of the socialist blob. UK education’s standing in the national tables has sunk from second to somewhere in the mid twenties, depending on whether you look at the UN or USA derived figures. Fewer than half the people employed in UK education are teachers and the UK is amongst the top spenders (GDP/Child) in the world, so all the bleating about being underfunded is nonsense. A return to teacher centred, fact based education would be required to put us back up the table with the likes of Singapore. We now have the remarkably dismal situation, for the first time in modern history, in which school leavers are less literate and less numerate than their grandparents. Do we really need to ask how Extinction Whatever came about?

Oliver King
May 2, 2019 10:40 pm

The headline here is slightly misleading. There has been no change in government policy (which is already bad) and no laws passed this week on climate declaring an emergency, just a load of politicians who’d rather pander to a 16 year old girl rather than look at the data.

This week the Committee on Climate Change which advises the UK government said that to meet net zero emissions by 2050 the British public should cut back on red meat, cars and flying on holiday. In the latest polls the public said ‘no way’.

Up to now the British public haven’t really noticed the affect of climate policies. Even though it’s put bills up for fuel and power they see it as normal inflation. Take away a their Sunday roast and their annual week in Spain and the eco-loons will find a lot more resistance to their policies.

Susan
Reply to  Oliver King
May 3, 2019 3:23 am

Yes, it’s just back to the old ‘clean your teeth in the dark’ approach of the 70s fuel crisis. I don’t see it getting translated into anything more than entitling the government to put up fuel tax, which is something they always want to do. Many trees will die to produce helpful leaflets!

Dennis Sandberg
Reply to  Susan
May 3, 2019 4:59 pm

Susan,
Sounds like a plan…put on fuel tax….follow the French lead and get the same result.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Oliver King
May 3, 2019 11:19 am

I think we should shepherd all the MP’s out of Parliament and replace them with autistic people. See if we can tell the difference.

May 2, 2019 10:48 pm

So an emergency is now the weather very, very ….very slowly.. doing…NOT MUCH!! YIKES!!
I wonder how long an ”emergency” can last? Will it still be an emergency this time next year?
Get your bets in…..

john harmsworth
Reply to  Mike
May 3, 2019 11:39 am

It’s England. it didn’t rain yesterday-EMERGENCY!! It rained the day before that-EMERGENCY!!

Russ Wood
Reply to  john harmsworth
May 5, 2019 3:11 am

Yes, I have to keep reminding people in South Africa, that in the UK, a drought is when it doesn’t rain for 3 weeks (compared to the year-long drought we’ve just been having). I think that the whole UK water system is predicated on more-or-less regular rain. Having lived for some years in rainy Manchester, I was not too surprised to see a factory advertising for ‘waterproof machinists’ , and wondered just what the working conditions were like!

Hermit.Oldguy
Reply to  Russ Wood
May 9, 2019 7:32 pm

Russ Wood *2 weeks

Bob Hoye
May 2, 2019 10:50 pm

Climate Hypochondriacs.

Phaedo
May 2, 2019 10:54 pm

I’m so embarrassed.

mike the morlock
May 2, 2019 10:54 pm

The real question is, what legal powers does this give nation and regional governments in the Uk.
Can they now fine , imprison and or confiscate a citizens property.
If so this is not just about skeptics, it can be used against anyone.
God help you.

michael

BillP
May 2, 2019 10:57 pm

There never was a “climate denial movement.”

Unfortunately there are natural climate change denial, climate complexity denial and beneficial climate change denial movements.

Paul r
May 2, 2019 10:58 pm

So now what?

StephenP
May 2, 2019 11:17 pm

Some people blame an organisation called Common Purpose that claims to train future movers and shakers.
Their courses are attended by rising stars in local government, the police, education and the health service.
The results seem to be a form of group think which is the modern equivalent of the party line.
Look them up on Google.

StephenP
Reply to  StephenP
May 2, 2019 11:33 pm

Also not forgetting the MSM.

Graemethecat
Reply to  StephenP
May 3, 2019 1:35 am

Common Purpose is a deeply sinister and insidious organization which has infected much of the public sector in Britain.

Newminster
Reply to  Graemethecat
May 3, 2019 2:33 am

Or perhaps not.

George Lawson
Reply to  StephenP
May 3, 2019 6:54 am

All of whom, like politicians, live off the public purse and do not have to perform against a financial standard in order to keep their jobs.

Craig from Oz
May 2, 2019 11:18 pm

Amusing really. Or tragic. Your Millage May Vary.

A full referendum is held. The question is very clear and binary. The media and the Elite’s response?

It’s not binding. We should have another one. The public don’t know what they really think.

A MOTION to discuss at a later date the concept of a Climate Emergency is accepted. The entire thing is vague, as yet undefined and not currently binding. The media and Elite’s response?

Climate Denial is now officially dead! Climate Change is officially real!

The disturbing thing is that by all accounts this was motion was achieved by the simple act of ‘civil disobedience’. So if a minority group can get the British political system to pass a motion, imagine what the silent majority could do if/when they finally get fed up of being ignored.

I am visiting the UK later this year. Hopefully I wont get arrested.

roger
Reply to  Craig from Oz
May 3, 2019 3:28 am

A lot of motions are passed in the UK Parliament and can be seen on the green and red benches of each house.
This fact is recognized by the Speaker who regularly cries out “Ordure Ordure!” to the worthless assembly before him.
They invariably ignore him recognizing that he in turn is as big a piece as they are.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Craig from Oz
May 3, 2019 5:31 am

“The disturbing thing is that by all accounts this motion was achieved by the simple act of ‘civil disobedience’.”

Most of the UK politicians are True Believers in CAGW so this emergency declaration wasn’t a giant leap for them, and many probably welcomed the opportunity.

What it amounts to is CAGW has been declared real and an emergency in the UK. What are they going to do now? I imagine they are going to continue to ruin their economy and continue making their citizens poorer by pursuing the deadend of replacing reliable fossil fuel-derived electricity with unreliable and expensive windmills and solar.

The emergency declaration probably won’t speed up the demise of the UK, it just reinforces the direction they are going.

I think worldwide polls still show CAGW as being very low on the list of people’s worries. It’s just the Leftwing socialist politicians of the Western Democracies who really want to push this fraud, and they are enabled by the Leftwing Media who promote these CAGW lies and propaganda.

The solution to this problem is to stop putting these foolish socialist politicians into office. The solution to that is to show the Leftwing Media for the liars they are. The Leftwing Media enables the socialist politicians. Without the Leftwing Media carryig their water for them, the socialist politicians would be history.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 3, 2019 9:26 pm

No need to panic. As Cameron’s government revealed a few years ago they have an impressive, nation-wide, reserve list of diesel generators to call upon should the wind fail to blow and the sun fail to shine.

John V. Wright
May 2, 2019 11:18 pm

Richard Black’s comment that the BBC has finally stopped giving balanced coverage to the climate debate is, of course, arrant nonsense. Not many people here in the UK appear to know but many years ago it became OFFICIAL BBC editorial policy NOT to provide balanced coverage.

That was the end of responsible journalism in the UK’s state broadcaster. The BBC’s news coverage now – with the honourable exception of some foreign correspondents – is embarrassingly awful. Those trained in newsgathering and editing – including myself – can easily see how, day by day, the news agenda is manipulated by omission and commission.

The most blatant examples such as the sad exploitation of the ailing David Attenborough or the studiously grave interviewing of the parrotting schoolkid Greta Thunberg are obvious to all. But every day there are many, smaller, insidious editorial transgressions.

Because of the ‘appeal to authority’ syndrome, most Brits just accept the coverage because it’s the Beeb. Unfortunately those who have actual scientific facts at their fingertips are avoided in conversation. I have not been able to have a calm, reasoned discussion on global warming for about 10 years now with family and friends. When I ask why people will not engage with me I am told it’s
“because you know too much. You have all these facts and figures from your research and nobody is able to argue with you”.

The BBC’s flagship Radio 4 output is virtually unlistenable to these days by anyone with a brain. Our Parliamentary politicians, a group of ignorant and cowardly charlatans the like of which has never been seen in our island’s history, is desperately trying to pass all decision-making on global warming and other important matters over to the totalitarian machine that is the EU.

And to think that our forebears fought in two world wars to preserve our freedom. This state of affairs shakes our nation.

Stoic
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 3, 2019 12:42 am

A reminder! Here is a list of the “best scientific experts” (BBC description) who advised the BBC to abandon impartiality in the reporting of climate change. The decision to abandon unbiased BBC reporting is described by the BBC Trust in its 2007 paper, “From Seesaw to Wagon Wheel – Safeguarding Impartiality in the 21st Century”. It is thanks to this 2007 BBC decision, informed by the “best scientific experts” (Ho! Ho!) that the British people are bombarded day-in-day-out by the state-owned BBC with its unbalanced climate change drivel:

Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
Trevor Evans, US Embassy
Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change
Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
Claire Foster, Church of England
Saleemul Huq, IIED
Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
Matthew Farrow, CBI
Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
Joe Smith, The Open University
Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
Anita Neville, E3G
Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

Chris Quartermaine
Reply to  Stoic
May 3, 2019 2:29 am

According to a 2018 survey, only 35% of UK residents think that climate change is mainly or wholly caused by human activity. Looks to me like the media and the government are out of step with the people (again). I read The Times here in the UK, and there are some very interesting comments on each article about climate change (usually toadying), last I looked there were over 600 comments on one article, so some lively debate going on there. I did post a question to The Times whether there was anyone but Matt Ridley on their staff who have any intelligence, but haven’t as yet had a response.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 3, 2019 12:53 am

“because you know too much. You have all these facts and figures from your research and nobody is able to argue with you”.

John, I have much the same problem – I have yet to meet a believer who can slug it it out toe to toe – most simply parrot the MSM narrative and are shocked that I can even hold a contrary position.

Within a few minutes they back away when the realize they are unarmed – their obdurate faith undented unfortunately. Trying to change faith to knowledge is a fruitless and thankless task.

This is particularly amusing at alumnus events – academics run screaming calling me names or adopt a condescending demeanor reserved for idiot students.

Those academics I respected before the alarmism don’t buy it – it would make me question my stance if they did.

Unfortunately as Prof. Snow once pointed out 9 out of 10 academics have less knowledge of physics than their Neolithic ancestors. He called effectively them cavemen – a stinging rebuke.

The academic consensus is simply a consensus of ignorance.

GeeJam
Reply to  Ken Irwin
May 3, 2019 2:35 am

Only yesterday over breakfast, I witnessed a similar refusal of basic facts from a brainwashed, yet reasonably intellectual climate sophist. I pointed out that the large pockets of air bubbles in their buttered toasted crumpet were infact man-made bubbles of CO2 from yeast fermentation combined with the reaction of acidic buttermilk with bicarbonate of soda. They argued that the bubbles were just air expanding due to heat from the baking oven.

I’m glad I didn’t tell them how the caffeine had been extracted from their mug of coffee.

Editor
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 3, 2019 1:18 am

“Our Parliamentary politicians, a group of ignorant and cowardly charlatans the like of which has never been seen in our island’s history”. You make it sound like all Britain’s parliamentary politicians are ignorant and cowardly charlatans. That’s incorrect. Yes, the Conservatives are indeed ignorant and cowardly charlatans. But Labour know very well what they are doing. They are scheming, devious and power-hungry, and they are exploiting a carefully-crafted opportunity that has been years in the making.

I am visiting the UK at the moment, well away from London, and the depth of cynicism about “climate change” is quite remarkable. Maybe there is hope for the country yet – if the Conservatives could just get a spine.

William Astley
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 3, 2019 8:15 am

I agree with your thoughtful comments.

The same comments apply to the magazine the Economist. The Economist 25 years ago included critical facts, pros/cons for policies, and alternatives. Now the Economist articles are little more than opinion pieces.

The same comments apply to almost all use news broadcasts.

Bill H
May 2, 2019 11:32 pm

The UN Socialists and One World Government crowd has now seized control of Britain…

My condolences to a once great nation. Your future is one like Venezuela. Enjoy the stupidity you have hoisted upon yourself.

mikewaite
Reply to  Bill H
May 3, 2019 1:03 am

The future for the UK under the incoming Corbyn administration is the bleakest that I have known , and i speak as a survivor of the Atlee Govt and its never ending policy of food rationing long after our former enemies had moved on, the pathetic Heath Govt and its Euro-obsession, and the chaotic Callaghan Govt where unions took effective ( or rather , ineffective) control of the country.
However Venezuela it will not be . The citizens there are cowed by being poor, without resources or assets (the middle class having fled) and are easily controlled by an army that Maduro can afford with a few millions from the enormous income from the remaining oil production.
Britain is different . The people have assets that can be used to set up a black market , not just in the forbidden foods and fuel , but in weapons . There are local societies to help organisation. It is true that the police have been totally politicised towards the Left , but the Army , I suspect still has a traditional loyalty to the Crown and the current UK way of life.
Forget Venezuela, the future is more likely to be like Syria , with Corbyn in the Assad role.

Reply to  mikewaite
May 3, 2019 1:58 am

Yes but Jersey might have standing room only!

John
May 2, 2019 11:33 pm

Of course there is a climate emergency.. they know their climate lies are falling apart quickly.

tonyb
Editor
May 2, 2019 11:54 pm

BBC “This proposal, which demonstrates the will of the Commons on the issue but does not legally compel the government to act, was approved without a vote.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who tabled the motion, said it was “a huge step forward”.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove acknowledged there was a climate “emergency” but did not back Labour’s demands to declare one.”

This is a purely symbolic gesture taken without a vote and has no lawful authority. It is gesture politics at its finest

tonyb

Robertvd
Reply to  tonyb
May 3, 2019 12:56 am

How can Piers Corbyn and Jeremy Corbyn be brothers?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Robertvd
May 3, 2019 3:02 am

yeah its a real head spinner one, Piers is so bright and the other so daft, I wonder if Jeremy has a different dad? or his mum dropped him as a baby?

tom0mason
Reply to  Robertvd
May 3, 2019 4:37 am

Well as is usual with genetics one family member gets the brains the other the brains!
🙂

May 3, 2019 12:04 am

I hope we are approaching peak climate craziness.

Admission in an article here by a “eco-woke” that the repeated deadlines to save the world were simply attempts to get policy makers attention

Paper by Oxford academic relating to interbreeding by aliens to produce hybrids able to survive

Politicians hanging on the every word of a 16 year old child

Increasingly strident calls to decarbonise, eat less meat, travel less etc.

Unfortunately, there is so much invested in the catastrophe idea, that its proponents are not going to go away shrugging their shoulders. They actually will continue to raise taxes and force greater measures to reduce the lifechoices and freedoms in western society.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Hysteria
May 3, 2019 3:08 am

When the collapse comes it will be brutal. No peak but a cliff edge.

Warren
May 3, 2019 12:17 am

Climate emergency = new taxes and jobs for unemployable socialists.

Drake
Reply to  Warren
May 3, 2019 8:09 am

BINGO!

Stoic
May 3, 2019 12:24 am

A reminder! Here is a list of the “best scientific experts” (BBC description) who advised the BBC to abandon impartiality in the reporting of climate change. The decision to abandon unbiased BBC reporting is described by the BBC Trust in its 2007 paper, “From Seesaw to Wagon Wheel – Safeguarding Impartiality in the 21st Century”. It is thanks to this 2007 BBC decision, informed by the “best scientific experts” (Ho! Ho!) that the British people are bombarded day-in-day-out by the state-owned BBC with its unbalanced climate change drivel:

Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
Trevor Evans, US Embassy
Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change
Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
Claire Foster, Church of England
Saleemul Huq, IIED
Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
Matthew Farrow, CBI
Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
Joe Smith, The Open University
Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
Anita Neville, E3G
Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

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