The term ‘CAGW’ has both appropriate and inappropriate usage.
Introduction
Rational Wiki says: ‘“CAGW”, for “catastrophic anthropogenic global warming”, is a snarl word (or snarl acronym) that global warming denialists use for the established science of climate change. A Google Scholar search indicates that the term is never used in the scientific literature on climate.’10
Where in turn the link for ‘snarl word’ says: ‘A snarl word is a derogatory label that can be attached to something (or even to people), in order to dismiss their importance or worth, without guilt. When used as snarl words, these words are essentially meaningless; most of them can be used with meaning, but that seldom happens.’
So setting aside the snarl implications of the word ‘denialist’11 above, is all the usage of the ‘CAGW’ acronym meaningless, i.e. it is essentially a snarl word only? Or is there significant meaning associated with some usage, i.e. does it have legitimate, ‘non-snarl’ currency also, associated with real meaning?
In typical usage ‘CAGW’ may be followed by words such as narrative, message, story, line, debate, controversy, mantra, meme, myth, scare, hysteria, hoax, scam, religion, cult, cause, movement, believers, faithful, crowd, advocates, promoters, proponents, consensus, theory, hypothesis, premise, claim, case, conjecture and various others. Or it may appear in sentences without any direct descriptors such as those above, for example: ‘Proof positive that CAGW is about power, politics and greed is the fact that…’, ‘Without this strong feedback there is no real basis for CAGW since…’, ‘I have been waiting for someone, anyone, to enunciate a unique, broadly accepted goal for a program to “dodge” the CAGW “bullet”…’, ‘Cost / benefit analysis is apparently against the rules when it comes to CAGW…’, ‘The alarm is not about a warming of the globe, nor particularly AGW. It is about CAGW’.12
These demonstrate a much wider application than for just the ‘established science’, which I take to mean mainstream science, as expressed in the Working Group Chapters13 of the IPCC’s latest full report (AR5), so hereafter AR5WGC. Whether or not any such usages of ‘CAGW’ are justified, they are broadly categorized (albeit with overlaps, especially meme and consensus at the boundaries) as follows:
- expressing a communication aspect, applicable not only to climate scientists but to any parties communicating or exchanging on climate change, such as social authority sources, policy makers, NGOs, businesses, other scientists, whoever, and reflected by the words above starting narrative, message and similar.
- expressing a social phenomenon aspect, whether assumed to have deliberate causation or emergent causation, and reflected by the words starting, myth, scare and similar.
- expressing the aspect of adherents of the phenomena in b), as reflected by the words starting believers, faithful and similar, OR of subscribers to the science per d), OR both.
- expressing the science aspect, as reflected by the words starting theory, hypothesis and similar.
- expressing the aspect of actual physical climate change, sarcastically or not, as being potentially catastrophic (usually without extra descriptors in this context).
Usage without descriptors per the example sentences, are generally contextualized by one of these same categories.
The communication aspects
This is the most straightforward category to characterize. Within the public domain, there is manifestly a widespread narrative of certainty (absent deep emissions cuts) of near-term (decades) climate catastrophe. This has emanated from many of the most powerful and influential figures in the West throughout the twenty-first century, as exampled by the quotes listed a) to z) in footnote 1. While based only on English language reportage, this sample nevertheless includes leaders, ex-leaders and candidate leaders from 8 Western nations (with the US, Germany, UK and France being economically 4 of 7 and politically 4 of 6, top world powers9), along with high ministers, high UN officials, the Pope and UK royalty, over about the last 15 years. The narrative is also framed in a most urgent and emotive manner, which hugely increases its re-transmission capability14, is global in scope (‘the planet’), and unequivocally attributes the imminent catastrophe from global warming to humans (via ‘emissions’), i.e. the ‘C’ is due to AGW.
Rational Wiki is essentially correct regarding the literal usage of ‘CAGW’ in climate science literature (I found a few references on Google Scholar). Yet it’s right too in a more meaningful sense; i.e. nothing like this narrative of high certainty and imminent global catastrophe is represented within mainstream climate science, i.e. per the AR5WGC. A point that has been noted before on this and other climate blogs. Albeit ‘catastrophic’ (or similar) is actually used in AR5WGC, this is in reference to local / specific improbable scenarios only (e.g. the term used for maximal, yet very rare end of spectrum, episodic river flooding)15. No reasonable interpretation could produce the exampled narrative framing that has achieved such a high public profile over many years. So according to mainstream science, i.e. no skeptics required, this climate catastrophe narrative is flat wrong15a. Even at the best stretch it drags fuzzy possibilities plus probabilities from behind a hedge of caveats and limitations, then pushes them all front and centre, promoted to high certainty within an apparently well-mapped space15b. Nevertheless, this narrative / story / line / mantra exists, and at the highest authority level.
The sampled authority figures do not just speak for themselves. They represent their governments and parties and organizations, to some extent their nations. The power of this representation coupled with high emotive framing should be a very significant factor in the propagation of the catastrophic narrative across society, and especially down the pyramids of functionality spreading out from national / UN leaderships, so influencing policy (impending catastrophe is often cited as the main reason to act). However, other sources are transmitting in parallel, e.g. environmental NGOs, and total propagation will be due to the merged contributions of all. Penetration / propagation of the same catastrophe narrative is highly visible further out from primary leaderships, as exampled by the quotes listed a) to z) in footnote 2, which cover lesser-ranking / local politicians, leaders of less influential nations, NGOs, economists and influencers.
Emergent narratives typically spawn many variants, which are briefly analyzed in the companion post ‘The Catastrophe Narrative’, with further analysis in the (common) footnotes file.
There is nothing inappropriate about coining a name for the widely communicated narrative of certainty of imminent (decades) catastrophe as exampled by footnotes 1 and 2, which prior to the exception of the current US administration permeated Western / UN (and other) authorities high and low, and that falsely claims to be underwritten by ‘the’ science. ‘CAGW’ as a label for this narrative is suitable and has full meaning. Likewise for the narrative variant categories as exampled by footnotes 3 to 5; while as noted in the companion post, a few of such specimens or more emphatic localization may technically escape either full-on certainty or full-on global or maybe, depending especially upon ambiguous word-choices, full-on catastrophe, even this subset are highly emotive pitches of the same ilk that typically aren’t backed by mainstream climate science.
As climate scientist Mike Hulme noted a dozen years ago, this narrative created significant impact even back then: “It seems that mere ‘climate change’ was not going to be bad enough, and so now it must be ‘catastrophic’ to be worthy of attention. The increasing use of this pejorative term – and its bedfellow qualifiers ‘chaotic’, ‘irreversible’, ‘rapid’ – has altered the public discourse around climate change.” In 2010, Hans von Storch agreed16a.
The science aspects
Emphasizing the Rational Wiki quote above, Jacobs et al (in 2016 book) finds no merit in the claim ‘that catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is the mainstream scientific position’, i.e. mainstream science doesn’t support the concept of a high certainty (absent action) of imminent global catastrophe. So, although the IPCC integrates a range of scientific opinion and incorporates various outlier possibilities, within the scientific community there cannot be a widely accepted theory or hypothesis or premise or case for this. Hence directly tying mainstream climate science (including conventional AGW theory, no ‘C’) to this concept via ‘CAGW’ labeling, or implying that ‘CAGW theory’ is dominant (so perforce must cover the mainstream), is inappropriate. Some think no current science can claim the catastrophic15b, however…
This doesn’t imply an absence of scientific support for the principle. A minority of scientists, some very vocal, believe that ‘CAGW’ scenarios are more realistic. Footnotes 6 and 7 provide examples of about 50 climate scientists plus environmental and other scientists expressing their views of the catastrophic. To express a truly held belief is not to dissemble, so presumably these individuals have theories (probably not all the same) which lead them to this view, albeit not reflected by the mainstream / AR5WGC. Or at least they think such theories from other sources are highly credible. Their expressions typically ignore more balanced interpretations from their mainstream colleagues, or otherwise criticize the mainstream as being too conservative, often performing the same transformation / promotion as mentioned at the end of paragraph 2 section 2 above. Emotive phrasing is common, also featuring a large range of highly negative metaphors (e.g. hell or ballistic missiles or cars speeding towards cliffs), and / or the end of humans or civilization or the planet, with typically a sense of inevitability (unless major action). Hence using say ‘CAGW theory’ to label the claims of specific such scientists, is legitimate. But the much more typical sweeping references that imply ‘CAGW theory’ is the ‘official’ science, are illegitimate. In relation to the current mainstream, ‘CAGW theory’ is very much unofficial science.
Portraying scientists who propagate ‘CAGW’ notions as representative of the mainstream, via ‘CAGW’ labeling or any other means, is also inappropriate. However, this is a forgivable sin for the general public; how would they know that James Hansen, for instance17, occupies a minority fringe at odds with the main climate science community? And they aren’t the only ones subject to confusion about what is mainstream and where particular scientists might stand. Catastrophe narratives have infiltrated climate science and science communities generally. Their strong emotive content erodes objectivity17a and pressures scientists to reflect such narrative, hence especially within science communication.
In his book climate scientist Mike Hulme describes a step change towards the catastrophic in the ways that climate change risk was expressed in the public sphere, following an international climate change conference held in Exeter UK, in 2005. And to continue Hulme’s 2006 quote (via the BBC) from section 2: “This discourse is now characterized by phrases such as ‘climate change is worse than we thought’, that we are approaching ‘irreversible tipping in the Earth’s climate’, and that we are ‘at the point of no return’. I have found myself increasingly chastised by climate change campaigners when my public statements and lectures on climate change have not satisfied their thirst for environmental drama and exaggerated rhetoric. It seems that it is we, the professional climate scientists, who are now the (catastrophe) skeptics. How the wheel turns… …Why is it not just campaigners, but politicians and scientists too, who are openly confusing the language of fear, terror and disaster with the observable physical reality of climate change, actively ignoring the careful hedging which surrounds science’s predictions?” (bold mine). Yet in the face of continuing emotive pressure, even 12 years later a wider acknowledgement of this issue is still weak25.
So, in respect of the science aspects ‘CAGW’ has both appropriate and inappropriate usage. Without a proper survey it seems more typically the latter. Thus it’s likely regarding purely the science aspects that Rational wiki is mostly right, albeit only technically, in saying: ‘Despite the qualifier, denialists apply the term indiscriminately to anything approximating the mainstream scientific view on climate, regardless of whether or not “catastrophic” outcomes are implied’, and notwithstanding its own serious snarl word issue11. In practice, the deep entanglement of catastrophe narratives with climate science communication creates very understandable confusion, and an environment where serious misunderstanding is inevitable.
Given also that for many years the climate change narrative from highest authorities to the public is insistently catastrophic, Rational wiki’s claim that deployment of the acronym is a deliberate ploy of the desperate (‘an attempt to move the goalposts’), is one that ignores the big picture. A-list presidents and prime ministers plus the UN elite and other authorities too (along with some scientists), already moved the goalposts, and indeed repeatedly reinforce that the catastrophic is backed by mainstream science. This impressive and coordinated array of authorities are not generally referred to as ‘deniers’, and it shouldn’t be a surprise that very many folks believe their attribution. Hence such folks are confronted by a complete clash between the unequivocal authority expression that the catastrophic is indeed backed by science18, and affront from individual scientists or their supporters as expressed on side channels when they’re specifically associated with the catastrophic. This affront is very understandable18a. Yet so is the response of those who feel that somewhere within this clash they’ve been hoodwinked, and assume the enterprise of climate science must be the culprit (in fact, an emergent phenomenon is ultimate cause). It’s especially confusing that some actors have a foot in both camps (e.g. significant IPCC contributors who publicly express catastrophe narrative19).
Starting even before AR5 some scientists projecting more severe climate change consequences, including a subset clearly claiming catastrophic outcomes20, complain that mainstream science per the IPCC is way too conservative, even politically diluted. Whether their science is bunkum or has a basis in reality, they likely have significant support. Albeit that the important distinction between ‘severe’ and ‘catastrophic’ isn’t provided, 41% of 998 AGU+AMS members asked about ‘the likely effects of global climate change in the next 50 to 100 years’, replied ‘severe/catastrophic’ (2012, pay-walled, but some details at Wiki). In a more recent expression (Mar 2018) some climate scientists objected to oil companies presenting AR5 as evidence showing lack of serious harms, claiming it was outdated (published 2013/14), and later science predicts much worse consequences. Some scientists emphasizing much higher impacts are socially touted as having better understanding than the majority driving the ‘conservative’ consensus.
However, notwithstanding plenty of catastrophe narrative ballyhoo30 from usual voices regarding the new SR15, as the content itself indicates31 there seems little chance that the steady and incremental evolution of the IPCC reports will change to a dramatically different position for the full AR6, or indeed afterward. And ironically, if various outlier theories regarding the catastrophic did gain enough ground to cause a paradigm shift, becoming mainstream, most of the inappropriate usage of ‘CAGW’ would transform to legitimacy overnight. It’s likely that social pressure to converge upon (cultural, not scientific) narratives of the catastrophic, has contributed to such theories; emotive memes are a major component via which many large-scale social consensuses are formed, e.g. within religions. Such consensuses don’t relate to truth. Note: scientific probing of worst case scenarios is potentially useful, as long as such efforts don’t morph into emotive narratives that help panic the public and policy makers towards perceived ultra-urgency and radical solutions, or indeed towards any agenda. With its speculative nature preserved, such exploration doesn’t earn a ‘CAGW theory’ label. Yet wielding it as authority with sexed-up likelihoods and / or emotively overwhelmed conditionals in order to pressure and persuade (e.g. footnote example 7aa), certainly earns the label ‘CAGW narrative’.
The social phenomena and adherence aspects
Just as with the science section above, there is appropriate and inappropriate deployment of ‘CAGW’ to describe social phenomena in the climate domain. So for instance it’s appropriate to talk about a social consensus in catastrophe among certain groups, but not a scientific consensus within the IPCC, say. It’s appropriate to describe ardent members of a green NGO who are heavily involved in promoting climate catastrophe narratives, as ‘CAGW advocates’ say, yet certainly not to apply this term to ‘all Democrats’, for instance, even if statistically there is somewhat more catastrophe narrative promotion by members of that party. Such labelling even when appropriate, does not imply any wrong-doing or dysfunction on the part of those so labelled, although some level of ‘faith’ (to use another partner term that crops up) in the narrative that many world leaders have lavished on the public for many years, is both likely and eminently understandable. Partner terms like ‘hoax’ and ‘scam’ are generally inappropriate too, because they cannot be main causation for the CAGW phenomenon32.
It comes down to who is adding the catastrophic, or ‘C’, to the mix. Michael Barnard at Quora notes in his discussion of ‘CAGW’: ‘Emotive adjectives are intended to create an emotional response rather than an intellectual response. Catastrophic is an emotive adjective.’ Yes. For sure, over-emotive content tends to cloud judgment; in memetic terms more-emotive memes have a greater selection value than less-emotive ones in domains of high (or even perceived high) uncertainty, thus preferentially prospering. Which is exactly why the narrative of catastrophe abounds within authority statements about climate change, per footnotes 1 to 5, plus is so pervasive within the public domain generally. (However, an ‘intent’ can’t be assumed; regarding emergent narratives the great majority of people are propagating what they genuinely and passionately think is truth). The Quroa text continues: ‘Adding catastrophic to the neutral phrase “anthropogenic global warming” is making it needlessly emotive.’ So, if indeed the person deploying ‘CAGW’ is needlessly adding the ‘C’, then yes. But… if that ‘C’ merely reflects the catastrophic that already existed regarding the social phenomenon or group or followers being described (e.g. Greenpeace politically pressuring with a campaign based upon certain catastrophic climate change), or indeed per section 2 catastrophic narrative or section 3 *specific* science / scientists aligned to catastrophe, then the ‘C’ is a correct and proper description. Emotive persuasion was injected by that being described, not by the mere act of (correctly) describing it.
Michael’s valid points about emotive descriptors and neutrality miss the big picture. While emphasizing as I do that ‘CAGW’ misrepresents mainstream / AR5WGC climate science, he makes no mention that according to an array of the highest authority sources, so largely within the public understanding too, the catastrophic is backed by mainstream climate / AGW science. Not to mention missing that describing pre-existing highly emotive phenomena, requires a meaningful reference to the emotive content.
Summary and Discussion
According to majority / mainstream science and indeed minority skepticism too, the CAGW narrative is a major misrepresentation22. Yet according to a minority of scientists at the opposite fringe to skeptics, this narrative reflects a more realistic position. Whether future history proves notions of CAGW to be right or wrong, acronym usage like the last 2 instances is entirely meaningful; notions of the catastrophic (absent major emissions cuts) and a copious narrative about them, patently exist. Such narrative is widespread in the public domain, being emphatically promoted by highly influential Western authority (until the current US admin exception) plus a raft of other authorities too23, who frequently cite imminent catastrophe as the principal reason for action on emissions. Nor has it spread via demonstrable scientific confirmation (albeit such confirmation may conceivably occur one day), but merely via emotive persuasiveness.
Nevertheless A-list presidents, prime ministers and the UN elite (the latter contradicting their own IPCC) claim that CAGW is validated by mainstream science. It’s difficult to see how this false backing could ever be questioned in the public mind, unless the mainstream science community pushes back far more strongly against such assertions. Meanwhile the fringe camp, i.e. those scientists (general and climate disciplines) comfortable with catastrophic projections, are much less shy about pushing authority with their concerns.
Despite oft-used inflationary descriptors or terminal metaphors5g,7h, sometimes references to extreme weather, or even straight propositions like the ‘save the planet’ or absent action a collapse of civilization, catastrophe narrative as it appears in footnotes 1 to 5 has no consistent definition of what ‘catastrophe’ actually means, or indeed quite how this state is arrived at. From the PoV of narrative success this is a fantastic attribute, allowing the latitude for each person to interpret the worst in their own terms (hence over numerous propagations, a generic apocalypse canon eventually emerges). Perhaps such vagueness might be expected from non-scientists, yet the public propagation from exampled scientists6,7 is no less emotively descriptive and no more consistent regarding actual meaning. Arguably, it is more lurid and emotively penetrating, and less objective.
This fluidity allows the CAGW narrative to hi-jack any view that is not actively skeptical via highly emotive persuasion, also seize the perceived moral high ground, while simultaneously bypassing objective considerations about the real meaning, and by omission avoid culpability regarding any unsupported (by the mainstream) mechanisms of, and uncertainties regarding, global catastrophe, which are not actually detailed. (When quotes are from scientists some detail may appear in associated papers, typically falling short of the framing of high certainty of global catastrophe, yet the public and likely authority too, only sees the public quotes anyhow). In short, it has very high selective value. Its emotive potency even sets the bounds of what skepticism is perceived to be within the public domain, and thus enables authority sources to claim mainstream territory even though mainstream science doesn’t support the catastrophic via any reasonable interpretation of this collective narrative.
Along with appropriate usage, there is much inappropriate usage from engaged skeptics deploying the term ‘CAGW’. In complete contrast to the situation with A-listers and influencers above, whose linkage of the catastrophic with mainstream science isn’t challenged, indeed is often praised, similar associations from skeptics typically attract vociferous objection. Misuse increases polarization and impedes greater understanding; this blunder28 from skeptics shouldn’t be overlooked. However, it seems unlikely that the great majority of the public are even aware of the ‘CAGW’ acronym26, so the impact upon them of any misuse via this term must perforce be very modest indeed. Yet whether leaning skeptical or orthodox or indifferent regarding climate change, few of the public will be unaware of the narrative of certain (absent action) man-made catastrophe that perfectly reasonably earns the acronym ‘CAGW’.
The misdirection and bias plus instinctive kick-back invoked by such highly emotive misinformation, as propagated for years by the exampled A-listers / authorities / orgs, utterly dwarfs any above impact. This acronym may indeed be an invention of skeptics24, yet not the untamed narrative that it describes. The latter doesn’t injure only mainstream science, but all science, including even that work which may point towards more severe consequences, because its long and high profile in the public domain isn’t any result of science, and the emotive biases it amplifies leak back into science21.
So ‘CAGW’ can be used as a ‘snarl word’, and is, albeit misunderstanding is likely the main cause. It is also a perfectly reasonable and meaningful term for a long-lived narrative elephant (with consequent effects) in the public domain and from top authority sources, plus a presence in some science too, and an ethic behind some social responses. Thus, when describing these phenomena, CAGW is not at all the straw-man that some of the orthodox claim. When the naming of a valid concept is avoided, discussing that concept becomes difficult, with awkward / obscure phrases and dancing around the issue. Or still more comedic, like whispering about he-who-must-not-be-named in Harry Potter. Hence despite some acquired cultural aggressiveness, which often sticks to terms within conflicted domains, the appropriate use of ‘CAGW’ is meaningful and necessary. Without it, the domain would simply need a virtually identical replacement term27 to express the valid concept it accurately covers.
Andy West.
www.wearenarrative.wordpress.com
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If a warming climate is not dangerous, as Pres. Obama called it, then why worry about the change? Global climate has been warming since c. AD 1690, during the Maunder Minimum depths of the LIA. That change has indubitably been good for humanity and other living things. So has been the increase in plant food in the air since the end of WWII.
More CO2 would better, up to the ~1200 ppm maintained in commercial greenhouses to promote growth in C3 plants, which include all trees and most crops. Regretably, burning all presently recoverable fossil fuels probably wouldn’t get us any higher than around 600 ppm. The present frigid climate system just can’t sustain higher atmospheric plant food levels.
PS: I prefer the snarl acronym CACCA anyway. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change Alarmism.
or to be more precise
‘Cacca verde’
!!
Just the fact, no hype +10
Caca como sandia: verde por fuera pero rojo por dentro.
Cacca come cocomero: verde all’esterno ma rosso all’interno
You’re right that the Italian for “caca” fits the acronym better than Spanish.
vukcevic you said ‘Cacca verde’ did you mean ‘Cacca merde’ ?
How about
the Coming Caucasian-Caused CO2 Climate Change Catastrophe ?
You have to find CCCP. In Cyrillic letters it was the initials of the Soviet Union.
Catastrophic Climate Change by People?
But of course transliterated CCCP is SSSR.
Yeah. Most people wouldn’t know how to interpret the English transliteration where CCCP becomes SSSR.
The English acronym could then stand for Simplistic and Self-Serving Responses (etc).
If a warming climate is dangerous……why did the UN/IPCC establish a system that allows the vast majority of countries to increase their emissions
The acronym CAGW specifies the conditions that must be met for the anti-CO2 narrative to be valid.
Catastrophic – If it’s not catastrophic we don’t, as you point out, have to worry about it.
Anthropogenic – If it’s mostly natural, we can’t prevent it no matter what we do.
Global – If 3/4 of the globe benefits and 1/10 suffers, what then?
Warming – If it’s not warming that much, no problem.
All four conditions have to be met before we declare war on our CO2 emissions.
That is why the cult of CAGW does not want us to use the word CAGW.
A. The temperature changes do not even correlate with anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
B. The CO2 rise does not correlate with anthropogenic CO2 emissions. (This is easier to show than A.)
One more very important condition must be met. There has to be something that we can about it before we start trying to do something about it. Because we’re talking about expenditures, and decision-making under uncertainty, the expected benefits of any plan of action must outweigh the expected costs.
The simple 2 facts as stated above in 2 posts are 1) AGW (whether real or not) and whether (dangerous or not) costs too much to correct or mitigate; therefore we do nothing except to adapt. 2) CAGW which even costs more to correct or mitigate is only rationally dealt with under the theory of ruin. However the insurance costs of correcting or mitigating are so high that unless we are near certainty > x % (you pick the %) of the validity of CAGW, then the theory of ruin says don’t insure. In my view and all the skeptics in here, the x number actually approaches ZERO. Therefore again we do nothing except to adapt. Any other course of action is madness.
A warming climate is better than “not dangerous”,
it is beneficial for life on our planet,
by maximizing the food supply for
humans and animals who eat C3 plants.
.
The current warming didn’t start in 1690,
it started 20,000 years ago when my
Michigan property was under
up to a mile of ice.
.
That would have been a disaster,
because I can’t ice skate.
My climate science blog recently named
Barack Obama as its first
“Climate Buffoon of the Year”,
following an incoherent interview
where he somehow tied climate change
inaction to “racism” and “mommy issues”:
https://elonionbloggle.blogspot.com/2018/11/barack-obama-honest-global-warming.html
Warming from the end of the Last Glacial Maximum peaked over 5000 years ago, during the height of the Holocene Optimum. Earth has suffered long term cooling since then, or at least for the past 3000 years. But on the cyclical centennial scale, we have enjoyed warming since the depths of the LIA.
I took an online course on Climate Change a few years ago. They actually would not allow the term CAGW and deleted it in every post I made. I would post that I believed in AGW but not CAGW and back it up with data and they did not allow the distinction. That allowed them to make me an AGW denier and put me at odds with all available data and science. Therefore I had no credibility and they did not have to deal with any of the actual questions or statements that I made..
No one has proved or shown any evidence that AGW is real.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14240
[This was posted by an impostor, not the real Dave Burton -Mod.]
A tiny statistically tortured forcing that took them 5 years to find, and was almost certainly related to the fact that 2000 was at the bottom of a La Nina, and 2010 was at the top of an El Nino.
The Feldman paper was effectively countered by the Gero/Turner paper that found no increase in overall DWIR. The combination of the two hints at negative water vapor feedback and hence no AGW.
Voldemort: He who must not be named: a trick by the author to get attention to the narrative, stir the imaginations of her readers, and stir curiosity in everyone.
Exaggeration and hyperbole are also part of advertising language, specifically meant to get your attention, look at the product and buy it.
In this case, CAGW is the product, with the use of “catastrophic” aimed directly at the part of the target audience, about things that go bump in the night.
The fact that AGW has attracted the attention of every ecohippie within reach of electronic technojunk has simply added to the tendency to turn this science failure into a pseudoreligious order because it appeals to the emotions of fright, fear, envy, and everything else that makes people shop for things that they don’t really need.
I’ve been surprised that Advertising Age hasn’t offered a prize for the efficiency of this promotional campaign to support a money-grubbing bunch of political hacks. Maybe that will come up in the next round of awards.
CAGW a ‘snarl’ word? No.
In truth, the acronym sounds more like a cat coughing up a fur ball.
That may be an appropriate analogy for the body of humanity rejecting ‘climate change’ fraud.
Forty years and Trillion$ of dollars wasted on this non-science makes me want to vomit…..
How about you?
I quite like CAGW as a “snarl” word. That’s exactly how I use it. As a verbal sneer toward the faux-scienci-nonsense of man-made catastrophic end of days apocalyptic doom and gloom.
Yes … vomit at all the $$$$$ resources we could be directing toward REAL science, and REAL environmentalism. It makes me sick. Sick as my cat.
Overkill, Andy.
Sorry, but brevity is the soul of wit, heh?
Gums opines….
Edit
Comment is about Climate etc. but hard to tell where quote ends
Gums…
1984-style attempted language policing is one thing, but attacking an acronym smacks of desperation.
So CAGW is a snarl word, who knew? But the last place you would expect to see it used is in scientific literature. There, and echoed by Gore et al, they called it Global Warming, and Anthropomorphic Global Warming, but they didn’t need to add a C as they listed all the apocalypse effects, ad infinitum (and beyond).
Yet “climate denier” is immune to the same line of thought?
It’s clearly “all in how you read it”.
The origin of snarl and purr words. Search for snarl.
https://books.google.com/books/about/Language_in_Thought_and_Action.html?id=0H1p2sMdyXEC
I must say that sociological analyses tend to go on a bit.
The reason that CAGW came into being was that it was going to be not just worse than we thought but Catastrophic. Of course it was anthropogenic – if it wasn’t politicians wouldn’t have anything to control. As I remember , it was global warming that everyone was getting steamed up about.
It may be a snarl word but it pretty well encapsulates what every alarmist has been stuffing down our throats for the last 20 years. If it wasn’t warming, we wouldn’t be 18 feet under water, crops wouldn’t be failing…….
I think it’s an excellent word, not because it snarls, but is shorthand for a certain type of stupidity.
RCS
+100
I agree with Gwan.
(i.e., Plus 100) to RCS’s comment)
RCS, I think that CAGW is an acronym which will define a backward era in history, providing it too shall pass.
Unnecessary word avalanche.
Is there a widespread narrative that man-made, (anthropogenic), global warming will cause a catastrophe(s)?
Yes, it is an obvious and irrefutable fact.
The message being sold is, anthropogenic global warming will be catastrophic.
Therefore Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is a perfect description of that theory.
Exactly, David. It’s not difficult to understand.
Which therefore leads us to question the honesty and/or intelligence of the people who come out with such drivel.
So, to be clear… would you say that Rational Wiki’s objection to the term CAGW as a snarl is unfounded because it is appropriately descriptive?
Steve O:
Yes!
It’s easy to turn rational wiki back on itself, if it isn’t catastrophic then there is no urgency to act, so no need for emission control 🙂
“would you say that Rational Wiki’s objection to the term CAGW as a snarl is unfounded because it is appropriately descriptive?”
I would say that. Climate catastrophists don’t come out and say “CAGW” specifically, but they imply catastrophe with every pronouncement, so it is descriptive to use CAGW when referring to the catastrophic predictions of the Alarmists.
It is the Alarmists that add the catastrophe to AGW. Skeptics just add the “C” to make it clear what is being talked about.
As I said above it is actually flawed because if it isn’t catastrophic then we don’t need to act immediately we can observe, plan, procrastinate and think about what we might do 🙂
I’m searching for years where the catastrophe remains.
Living in LIA was a catastrophe, yes – it’s over.
Living in a world fearing a coming cold as in the 70th was fearing a coming catastrophe, yes.
Living in a world with reduced CO2 levels and less plant growing will be a catastrophe, yes.
Some tenth of °C increasng temperature is all, but not a catastrophe.
CAGW is just an abbreviation for the same drivel that the alarmists peddle, that all significant weather events are now part of the AGW induced climate change and subsequent damage that is caused. Even though they recently claimed that no weather event can be pinned directly on CC, or GW. Until Michael Mann testified before Congress a few years ago, and in his opening remarks to the Committee, he stated under their newly discovered Attribution to AGW, that cows were being being burnt alive in Texas, presumably from grass fires and not being sacrificed inhumanely in some religious ceremony he was presiding over. I am still shocked that nobody called him out on that one, as an example of hyped catastrophe. So yes, the CAGW is an accurate description of the headline seeking alarmists.
PS
A catastrophe is to believe, some warming will be a catastrophe 😀
“Established Science of Climate Change”?
I agree there is established science and it clearly demonstrates natural climate change, and also clearly demonstrates we do not understand all of the mechanisms behind it. But using the phrase “Established Science of Climate Change” sounds like they are trying to elevate themselves into something they are not, like the “Established Science of Physics”. Climate change belongs to the science of Geology, the study of the Earth, and to Meteorology, the science of studying weather, and to other branches of REAL science – it isn’t a science unto itself. You can study Paleobotany to determine what plants grew in the past, or Paleontology to see what animals lived there. You can infer rainfall (but not why it rained so little or much), you can infer temperature (within a few degrees margin), but you cannot study the climate mechanisms that no longer exist or have changed. So “Climate Scientists” can only study existing climates and just infer the past.
Catastrophic Anthropocentric Climate Change (CACW) is EXACTLY what they are proposing. It causes catastrophic change to existing climate patterns, is caused primarily by man, and is change to the existing climate. How is THAT a snarl word? (Never-mind it isn’t even a word).
The fact they cannot in any way demonstrate that it is occurring, after 30 years of trying, means it likely is an exaggeration from the truth. Natural Climate Change can explain every observation – especially the ones that have not been “managed” by changing the data points. I would hardly refer to the CAGW hypothesis as “Established Science”. It is established only in the fact that it can move A LOT of money into proponents pockets.
They have a problem…If dramatic ill-effects of climate change are not occurring by 2030, they lose what little credibility remains. This means they have to step up the disinformation war (through exaggerations, misleading graphics, and changing more data) or admit they were wrong. They can of course, just stop talking about it and soon the Public forgets about it…worked in the 1970’s for Global Cooling.
CAGW is an appropriate term for the misuse of climate change theory, even though it does get involved with the judgement that the alarm is misplaced. It is but the most recent of the ecological disasters predicted over the past fifty plus years, many by the same people or groups.
I couldn’t get past the 2nd paragraph without falling asleep.
That said, the reason the Climate Cult faithful don’t like the use of AGW is because they have tried to change the narrative away from just warming, to “climate change” so they can blame every weather event on their carbon demon. But most certainly, the climate priests religious dogma requires them to peddle a catastrophe narrative in their scriptures and prophecies.
I guess it’s like the N word. It’s ok for some to use, but not for others.
First, the ‘Climate Change ‘ people predict a catastrophe. Then, a while later, depending on the timing, ‘ it’s worse than we thought ‘. The scientific body, institutions, publications and individuals have never uttered those words or implied them? So, CAGW is a snarl word. Burning their candle at both ends, you are a denier if you don’t believe warming will be a catastrophe. And to go along with it, CAGW isn’t a real term that describes anything. ” I think CAGW describes perfectly the stance that the IPCC and drones stand for . Are ‘drone’, or ‘useful idiot’ also snarl words?
“The alarm is not about a warming of the globe, nor particularly AGW. It is about CAGW.”
Exactly, which is why, instead of weasel words like “Climate Change,” CAGW is perfectly appropriate and not at all a “snarl” term. Have we not been deluged (no pun intended) with one catastrophic prediction after another, and isn’t this why we’re supposed to fork over trillions of dollars to governments all around the world?
How else can they ask for the money?
Tomato Tomahto — Let’s call the whole thing off.
Long past time to put this playpen away and shoo these children off to find some productive work.
Yes, a detour of science by any other name still reeks of malpractice and political bias.
Dr. Gobbles where are you, we need a clear message, something simple like “Bullshit”.
MJE
Dr. Gobbles is a real turkey.
But he is the inventor of “Gobbles Warming”, no?
Andy
A lot of words to come to the conclusion that CAGW is probably acceptable as an acronym.
It’s not just the public forum that is dominated by proponents of coming doom. The whole academic ecosystem, including publishing houses and the scientific journals they produce, including the government agencies that distribute research grant funds, is dominated (“controlled” might be a better word) by alarmists.
Those “mainstream” scientists you refer to as not espousing the “C” in CAGW, they keep a low profile. If they go public with any “moderate” statements – verbal or in print – their careers are in jeopardy and their reputations are subject to abuse and innuendo.
“CAGW” is an appropriate term; in fact it’s very mild compared with some of the terms that could be used to label its proponents.
If global warming isn’t catastrophic, then there’s no reason to do anything about it.
Exactly, in one sentence. ➕💯
No matter what word or phrase you use to describe the other side it they will complain about it. I use, “You Guys” and I have gotten complaints. Just remember that moron, idiot and imbecile were once legitimate terms. Besides, it seems to be OK for the other side to use denier with its nasty implications.
Dogma:
dog·ma; noun; a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Dogma:
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OK, got it.
While it may be true that the so called “respectable scientists” don’t push the catastrophic nonsense, it is also true that they don’t raise a finger to dispute those who do claim that catastrophe is just around the corner.
In this manner they keep their prissy little fingers clean, while allowing others to panic the populace into supporting the so called “respectable scientists”.
Most fish tend to swim in schools for protection.
was this what is was like a few centuries ago ? when the establishment was keen on ripping innocents to pieces and burning witches ?
Did anyone who thought it might be a dumb idea have to put up with this kind of sh1te
This is just another example of totalitarians thinking they have the right to decide and define all the terms of debate, including those terms coined by the other side out of necessity. This assumption goes hand in hand with the tacit and corrupt understanding that many mass media outlets will not challenge, and will, in fact, promote their side of such polemics and definitions. Most alarmists in the federal bureaucracy, the academic sciences and in the media are okay with demonizing of the other side of the debate, because they think it will help them “win” the public debate. The fools. They still don’t understand how the pattern recognition of these propaganda methods inform and awaken people, often sending them into the other camp. The votes for Trump and Brexit are perfect cases in point.
Absolutely every word making up the acronym CAGW is clinical, descriptive and necessary to communicate a real idea. The rump term AGW is clinical, but it’s inadequate. If anything, we need to add another term, CO2, (CA-CO2-GW) into the acronym to fully describe the alarmist movement. That longer acronym captures the true idea that all the alleged Catastrophe will allegedly be caused by AGW will be caused by CO2 (anthropogenic) emissions. But CA-CO2-GW is pretty unwieldy. CAGW is a reasonable compromise. It describes the climate alarmist movement very wll.