The arts have a leading role to play in tackling climate change
Nicholas Serota
Cultural organisations are in a unique position to challenge, inform and engage audiences in conversations about the environment
‘The message is clear: everyone is responsible for creating a more environmentally sustainable world.’ Photograph: Steve Parkins/REX/Shutterstock
If we are to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world, “rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society” are required. This was the conclusion of a special report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published in October. We – the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change. The message is clear: everyone is responsible for creating a more environmentally sustainable world. And the arts and cultural sector is no exception.
We have been talking about these issues at the Arts Council for a long time, and over the past decade have worked with the climate change charity Julie’s Bicycle to help arts and cultural organisations reduce their environmental impact. In 2012 we became the first cultural body in the world to include environmental reporting and action in our long-term funding agreements with arts organisations. Recognising that we had to create the conditions for change to happen, the Arts Council buttressed these requirements with a programme of support from Julie’s Bicycle. Together we substantially increased understanding about the role of the sector in addressing environmental issues and associated social challenges.
In February 2017, Nicholas Serota took up his post as Chair of Arts Council England for the period through to 31 January 2021. Previously he was Director of Tate between 1988 and 2017. During his directorship, Tate opened Tate St Ives (1993) and Tate Modern (2000, expanded in 2016), redefining the Millbank building as Tate Britain (2000). Tate also broadened its field of interest to include 20th century photography, film, performance and occasionally architecture, as well as collecting from Latin America, Asia, the Middle East and Africa. The national role of the gallery was further developed with the creation of the Plus Tate network of 35 institutions across Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nicholas Serota has been a member of the Visual Arts Advisory Committee of the British Council, a Trustee of the Architecture Foundation and a commissioner on the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment. He was a member of the Olympic Delivery Authority which was responsible for building the Olympic Park in East London for the London 2012 Summer Olympics. He is also a member of the Executive Board of the BBC.
Nicholas Serota was born in London in 1946. He studied History of Art at the University of Cambridge and the Courtauld Institute. He joined the Arts Council of Great Britain’s Visual Arts Department as a regional art officer in 1970 and then worked as a curator at the Hayward Gallery. In 1973 he was appointed director of the Museum of Modern Art, Oxford where he worked for three years before he became the Director of the Whitechapel Gallery in 1976.
Nicholas Serota was knighted in 1999 and appointed a Companion of Honour in 2013.
Term of appointment: 1 February 2017 – 31 January 2021
That $122 trillion estimate is totally absurd if one is looking to achieve no carbon power generation and
low carbon transportation, private and commercial. Try less than $6 trillion using molten salt reactors and electric vehicles.
We tried Bixi bicycles in Montreal. The bikes were distributed at locations across the city, but they all ended up down town. The problem? Montreal is a distortion of Mount Royal. The city is hilly with gravity helping those cycling down toward the old downtown core. Now I see they are adding battery packs to the bikes. When I was a kid, I had a Whizzer. I guess that’s next.
That is one of my beefs the problem has never been given to scientists, engineers or economists apparently climate scientists are formally trained in all those fields especially Climate Scientists with English and Geology degrees.
I would say that the problem isn’t critical and that solving it would cause many worse problems. There are lots of engineering situations with that answer, so we’re used to it.
For the record, economics is not a science. Period.
Economics is an observational activity, like bird-watching or psychology. Any activity based on “the rational investor” and ceteris paribus might as well be called astrology.
Don’t believe me? Try getting an “economist” tho give you a scientific prediction of where GE will be in 18 months, with 10::1 odds.
Come to think of it, try the same thing with a climate shaman (my prediction: absolutely zero takers)
Javert Chip – Agreed – At the university, I majored in Chem Eng w/ a minor in Economics. I also took the university course “Plant Design and Economics for Chemical Engineers” where cost estimating was more specific and rigorous than in my Econ courses. This Ch E course was more useful during my carrier.
From the article: “f we are to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world, “rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society” are required. This was the conclusion of a special report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published in October. We – the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change.”
After this 12-year period is up will the Alarmists finally give up making dire predictions about the weather and the future?
They should. They have been wrong on every occasion in the past. Their track record is not very good.
Tom, this crying wolf bit is pervasive. I did my Masters Thesis in the Seven Devils Mountains of Idaho. The name came from an Indian story about a boy sent to guard some thing in the mountains, and he came running down to the village six times shouting Devils! But the seventh time they realized he was crying “wolf” and they didn’t listen to him anymore. We should wait and see how many times us modern culture persons listen to the climate doom prediction before we understand it is crying “wolf”.
So, am I interpreting this correctly? “to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world” we need to implement devastating economic and social programs for the world.
“the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change.”
So why does China, the world’s largest emitter, get a pass on emission reductions for the next 12 years(2030) according to the Paris Climate accord agreed to by the collective “we”.
And they wonder why Trump is leaving the deal!
The more important question is, Why would anyone stay in the deal?
We – the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change.”
I missed a perfect opportunity to use this…
Climate… You have the right to remain static and never change… Just as you did throughout the Holocene, before the Anthropocene. You have the right to an attorney to sue ExxonMobil. If you cannot afford an attorney, the taxpayers will foot the bill. You also have the right to free unicorns…
A visual meme is worth a thousand words. “We” can’t let the plebs have that propaganda superpower; anymore!
*Superusers officials and authorities only!
commieBob
November 22, 2018 7:42 am
… the IPCC said they need a $240/gal gasoline tax …
The population doesn’t care about global warming. When a carbon tax really starts to bite they will.
Any government that tries to do anything meaningful about CAGW will go down in flames. Wasting money on windmills and jacking up the price of electricity a bit causes a bit of grumbling. When people can no longer afford to commute to work or heat their homes, watch out.
When a carbon tax starts to bite, they will already be like most Californians, and South Australians, and Germans…. sheep — convinced that being led to the slaughterhouse is for their own good. And those that didn’t buy into will be too few to matter.
Think I’m wrong? Just look at Venezuela. In the early years of Chavez, so much of the population was taken by the thoughts of “Chavismo” leading them to the life of the wealthy. Easy emigration allowed the smart ones to Get the Hell out before it all went South. Same with California. Those remaining still think it can’t get that bad… Well yes, it can. And it will turn in the blink of an eye.
As a political tool, Climate Change is just one of the many tools that Socialists are weilding to come to Power. And power is the End. Lying a about climate change is justified to acquire more political power. Just as easily as lying about Brett Kavanaugh and throwing any remaining ethics was justified by Democrats to stop a Constitutional originalist from the Supreme Court.
If they get you to accept that gender is whatever a person decides it is today, they’ve got you.
If they get you to believe that the words of the Constitution means whatever they want it to mean today, they’ve got you.
For anyone in the UK, this was covered by the BBC. It was the most ridiculous programme that the BBC has ever produced (in my opinion). https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00017b8
SuffolkBoy
November 22, 2018 7:45 am
There is a lot of state money available for arts groups (usually professional, though some amateur groups might get a look in) who stage events or create material to “raise awareness” of “climate change” (and a lot of other fashionable “good causes”). It’s an unstable system. The more that “awareness” is raised, the more people there are who either believe in the cause or at least contribute cash, either voluntarily (via charities) or by compulsion (via taxes), and the more money is available to stage similar events. We may already have reached a tipping point of number of people who subscribe to this type of fraud.
damp
November 22, 2018 8:05 am
Art in the service of politics is always so beautiful. Don’t you think so, comrades?
They are just getting in practice for drawing tears as it’s only ten days until the COP24. Perhaps China and France will turn up with buckets of cash for all.
Peter Plail
November 22, 2018 8:19 am
What is wrong with the Arts Council promoting fiction?
Bruce Cobb
November 22, 2018 8:30 am
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as the rising sea
I’m all in favor of allowing folks with only an arts education to build tall buildings, bridges and airplanes that can only be used by other people with an arts education.
Question: Why is that the only solutions to ‘climate change’ all involve giving vast sums of money to people who have great difficulty rationally debating their position?
Because these schemes are created primarily by (direct or indirect) government employees. These folks, insulated from realities of the real world, are absolutely convinced they are better equipped to solve existential problems because…well, they just are.
If you have to ask “why”, you won’t understand the answer.
How many know that Maurice Strong, the guy who invented this Climate Change hoax, dumped a few million of the UN’s money into one of his companies a few years ago and ran away to live happily in China?
Chris Morrison
November 22, 2018 9:02 am
Usual virtue signalling from the luvviekissies. Meanwhile in the real world the rhetoric doesn’t quite match the reality.
Recently new European Union green lighting rules came into effect. But according to Mr Rufus Norris who runs the state-sponsored National Theatre in London, the costs of replacing the light bulbs was many millions of pounds. One would have thought that this was a small price to pay for saving the planet, a cause always uppermost in their thoughts. It was therefore a little surprising to discover that Mr Norris sought a theatrical exemption and indeed suggested that not exempting their workplace was “an oversight”.
Around this time a committee of green parliamentary activists noted that asthma sufferers were contributing to climate change by using in inhalers which emit potent greenhouse gases. Noted a wag at the time (it might have been me) – expect future visits to the theatre to be gloomy affairs with slightly more coughing and wheezing from the audience than normal.
Over at the Royal Shakespeare Company, the luvvies got the hump in 2017 over a scheme by the oil company BP to buy tickets and sell them for £5 to people under 25. So a bunch led by Mark Rylance, Emma Thompson and Vanessa Redgrave announced that they would raise money for a similar scheme. In addition, 10% of donations were promised for “grassroots groups fighting BP environmental and human rights impacts”.
Thirteen months later – amount raised – £3,720. Of course little or no publicity was generated when the results came in, but then of course that was not the intention. Virtue points had long been banked by all the wealthy actors.
” theatrical exemption”, that’s the right expression for all the silly symbolic measures to “save the planet / climate / humankind / boiled snails.
Paul
November 22, 2018 9:02 am
I will prevent global warming and won’t cost a penny.
Bill Murphy
November 22, 2018 9:05 am
If we are to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world
Actually, that is Orwell-speak for “we want to cause devastating economic and social consequences because we hate civilization and humanity.” Those of us who remember the gas lines and panic during the 1973 oil embargo caused by the Yom Kippur War got a taste of the “devastating economic and social consequences” we can expect if these people get their way. The folks living in my area got a much more recent taste of that future a few years ago when a bearing went out in a hydro plant generator one cold, calm winter night and 3 counties lost all power for 3–4 hours as the windmills sat silently by in the cold, dark and still winter air. The quiet night in my small town was disturbed by the sound of personal generators starting up and chain saws working in the wood piles. My own wood pile had been long since stacked and ready, as it is again this year.
Henning Nielsen
November 22, 2018 9:10 am
What’s a “Companion of Honour”? And only for four years? Dishonourable after that, no doubt. Well, the arts have been at it for a long time already, Leo di Caprio is buzzing around in his jet to warn us about global warming because of…flying.
Roy W. Spencer
November 22, 2018 9:29 am
the arts have solved time travel, provided us hyper-drives, explored strange, new worlds…. so why not solve the Climate Crisis(TM)?
PLEEEEASE don’t mention that movie. I knew it was going to push the Climate Change/Extreme Weather meme, and went into it thinking I could just suspend my disbelief and enjoy some Sci-Fi.
What I found I couldn’t suspend was my knowledge of basic physics. Almost EVERYTHING in that movie regarding space flight or orbital mechanics was absurd. From the solid global net of linked together satellites to the shuttle that flew straight up through it and was then magically in orbit with a space station (That had large rotating portions. For artificial gravity? Because it seems to extend into the parts of the station that DON’T spin, as well).
Mind you as bad as it was, it still wasn’t the worst Sci-Fi Disaster film I saw this year. That dubious distinction goes to Shockwave : countdown to disaster. A movie about a secret weapon that will cause global earthquakes and volcanoes, that doesn’t know the San Andreas fault doesn’t run through Yellowstone.
>¿<
Robert of Ottawa
November 22, 2018 9:36 am
This global warming is getting the full communist propaganda shtick. The populace will reject it the more they are forced to believe it.
Archie
November 22, 2018 9:39 am
Very interesting. I had a former life as an asst director of a university biological field station in the 90’s. Field stations all across the country started adding artists to the mission statements in an attempt to gain more relevancy. I guess science at a science field station was not enough for university officials.
Then they added art to the STEM programs to make STEAM!
LOL.
It’s all about the money and there is the definition of a promotion from the old and speculative Vancouver Stock Exchange.
“In the beginning, the promoter has the vision and the public has the money.
At the end of the promotion, the promoter has the money and the public has the vision.”
There have been two promotions. One is that the Fed can “manage” the economy. The tout in 1913 was that it could prevent the financial setbacks that preceded recessions.
There have been 18 recessions since then.
The other promotion has been the vision that a committee can “manage” the temperature of the nearest planet.
Financial markets have completed an extraordinary bubble and the contraction is underway. The public will recall that the Federasts spent Trillions on the boast that they can prevent “bad things” from happening.
A severe contraction is possible and it would start the condemnation of “managing the economy”.
As this cooling trend becomes more noticed, it will prompt condemnation that a committee can control the climate.
Two of the most absurd promotions in history are about to be seen as failures. Expensive ones.
MarkW
November 22, 2018 9:44 am
When precisely did they determine that Gorebull Warming was irreversible.
When? When “it’s worse than we thought” stopped working.
E J Zuiderwijk
November 22, 2018 9:45 am
An investment banker once quipped that he knew to sell stock when his mother in law urged him to buy. Perhaps now that the arty farties are in on the act, it could be the signal for many to abandon the warming bandwagon.
Instead of consulting Feynman or Einstein or Heisenberg I went straight to Shakespeare and good old Titania from A Midsummers Night Dream has it summed up as she rattles on about Climate Change..
“Therefore the winds, piping to us in vain,
As in revenge, have sucked up from the seas
Contagious fogs which, falling in the land
Have every pelting river made so proud
That they have overborne their continents.
The ox hath therefore stretched his yoke in vain,
The ploughman lost his sweat, and the green corn
Hath rotted ere his youth attained a beard.
The fold stands empty in the drowned field,
And crows are fatted with the murrain flock.
The nine – men’s- morris is filled up with mud
Therefore the moon, the governess of floods,
Pale in her anger washes all the air,
That rheumatic diseases do abound;
And thorough this distemperature we see
The seasons alter: hoary – headed frosts
Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
And on old Hiems’thin and icy crown
An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
Is, as in mockery, set. The spring, the summer,
The childing autumn, angry winter change
Their wonted liveries, and the mazed world,
By their increase, now knows not which is which”
Were it not for tragedy, the bards would languish in their art, for it is our unique suffering that sets us all apart.
A tale of all things well would be too terribly mundane, much better we would act out what is evil, or insane.
A purse of gold awaits the bards who wow the masses, that’s why each new disaster every older one surpasses.
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“I have of late,—but wherefore I know not,—lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire,—why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.”
Chris Hanley
November 22, 2018 12:26 pm
“In October 2006, Alison (not Julie) got on her bike to meet some friends from the music industry for dinner at a restaurant called Julie’s. That night together they dreamed up a vision of the future where festivals were powered by solar, venues were off-grid and covered in flowers, museums were community energy providers, artists were united as beacons for change …”.
LOL, why isn’t it called Alison’s bicycle?
That’s Britain where as adults they still live in a Teletubbies world:
Finally something interesting on the BBC’s science website:
“The key factor in the Plio-Pleistocene megaherbivore decline seems to be the expansion of grasslands, which is likely related to a global drop in atmospheric CO₂ over the last five million years,” said co-author John Rowan, from University of Massachusetts Amherst.
Low CO₂ levels favour tropical grasses over trees, and as a consequence savannas became less woody and more open through time. We know that many of the extinct megaherbivores fed on woody vegetation, so they seem to disappear alongside their food source.”
and:
“A transition from eating mainly vegetables and fruit to predominantly eating meat may have driven the evolution of humans’ big brains. ”
hm,… have your kids first, then go vegetarian.
That banner needs to say
What a Wonderful
World…thanks to
that miracle gas CO2
Bruce Cobb
November 22, 2018 12:51 pm
There will be theater galore at the upcoming COP24 in Katowice. The theatrics, the spin, and the emotional turmoil will be epic. There will be screaming, crying, finger-pointing, and shaken fists. And that’s just the beginning. Too bad there aren’t tickets to the show. They could make a mint. Now that’s Art.
Talented actors make great politicians. They are whoever fits the moment.
jorgekafkazar
November 22, 2018 12:52 pm
Unsatisfied with literally emasculating Art via PC nonsense and SJW garbage*, the climate change numpties, trougherati, and Lysenkoists now seek to deal Art a death blow by reducing it to mere propaganda. These people are all barmy in the crumpet.
* e.g., the feminista Star Wars billion dollar trainwreck
“….. where he worked for three years before he became the Director of the Whitechapel Gallery in 1976”
This is the latest art exhibit at the Whitechapel Gallery
(art can be edibly attractive)
Tasfay Martinov
November 22, 2018 1:32 pm
Talking of arts and artists … a promising sign today from the BBC. They posted a science report about extinction of large fauna during the Pleistocene (last 2.6 million years) and they point the finger at CO2 levels; not rising, but falling. Decreasing CO2 – following glacial cooling – caused forests to transition into grasslands, depriving forest-dwelling animals, and their predators, of their habitat and food source.
CO2 not necessarily being the Hollywood villain with the British accent – that’s progress of a sort.
Charlie
November 22, 2018 1:46 pm
Oh, come on. Didn’t you hear yourselves, luvvies? We have only got 12 years. In view of the carbon footprint you generate, the only decent thing to do is close yourselves down.
Sara
November 22, 2018 1:46 pm
I’m torn between “let them’, so that they look ridiculous for using fantasy/sci-fi to scare people, and wondering why someone doesn’t haul these bozos off to a psych ward for evaluation.
It’s been snowing in my area off and on since November 9, mostly 0.5″ to 1.5”, which comes overnight, creates a blanket, sends the female red-bellied woodpecker (beautiful bird!!!!) to my feeding station, reminding me that I need to get suet cakes for her and the hairy woodpeckers, in case they show up, and peanuts for the blue jays, and all the feather flockers are hungry because the cold came early, as did the snow. We may get the southern edge of a pending blizzard by Sunday, so I’ll be stocking the pantry, cupboards and fridge and freezer.
Now that’s the real world, the one that I live in, and that the rest of you live in. We do not live in cosseted, insulated offices with silly graphs on screens supporting the nonsense that the world is about to – dare I say it? – get an average 0.5 degree warmer.
I am more and more convinced that, aside from the looney-tune factor that figures into this nonsense, the people who do this are bogged up in some pseudo-psychological religion that they are unwilling to leave, because they get a massive rush out of it. Everything about what they say and do indicates that my assessment of them is close to the mark.
I think their funding should be completely cut off, including “arts funding”, and put into practical things like more efficient appliances that do the same job with less electricity, and increased food production. Also, a penalty or fine on US states like California that refuse to clear out fire-friendly fuels on state lands, because the Greenies don’t like “CHANGE”. I have a friend who is the head of his firefighting unit who will nearly spit nails about events like the Camp Fire, and what it cost in lives. He is furious about it.
These people are as close to nuts as you can get. The only thing that will stop them is a leading edge of a line of glaciers oozing south toward their offices.
Even then, they will probably deny that it exists. And that is the REAL problem.
old construction worker
November 22, 2018 1:53 pm
‘And the arts and cultural sector is no exception.’ and , just like scientist, when your paycheck depends on it…
John the Econ
November 22, 2018 1:59 pm
If “climate change” is the threat that these people say it is, society doesn’t have the slack to indulge things such as “arts councils”. People like this will need to be the first to go.
I’ve been reading Paul Hollander’s “The Many Faces of Socialism,” in which series of essays he describes how the state turned every last bit of everything into an exercise in propaganda.
All the cultural arts and plays, clubs, leisure time — everything — was captured, controlled, and turned into a contrived cultural desert, empty of spontaneity. Empty of life, really.
The Arts Council England description of their attitudes and intentions sounds just exactly like the joyless politicized drivel advanced by the concerned deep thinkers of the Soviet Union.
Michael Jankowski
November 22, 2018 2:19 pm
I had someone tell me within the past decade that the Cold War was ended because of the arts. I haven’t stopped laughing at that one.
Rich LAMBERT
November 22, 2018 2:34 pm
The arts already solved climate change. See George Orr and The Lathe of Heaven.
michael hart
November 22, 2018 3:06 pm
Opinion, Arts Council England
“The arts have a leading role to play in tackling climate change”
lol. Translates as”The arts have a leading role to play in bilking the system for cash in the name of climate change”
And English graduates like Steve Mosher are leading the way.
Pop Piasa
November 22, 2018 3:35 pm
Here is my reply as an artist, a final version of a reply above.
A Thespian’s Reflections
Were it not for tragedy, the bards would languish in their art, for it is our unique suffering that sets us all apart.
A tale of all things well would be too terribly mundane, much better we would act out what is evil, or insane.
A purse of public gold awaits each bard who wows the masses, that’s why each new disaster every older one surpasses.
LarryD
November 22, 2018 5:24 pm
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”- T.S. Eliot
Gerald the Mole
November 23, 2018 2:48 am
Imagine the fuss if a professional engineering body commented on a painting!
Peta of Newark
November 23, 2018 5:29 am
LarryD
November 22, 2018 at 5:24 pm
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”- T.S. Eliot
Thank you Larry, *we* all do know who that should be aimed at, don’t *we*
As far as I know/understand and engage with ‘art’ is that artists are kindly gentle folks who are actually very very brave. Brave in that they lay bare their thoughts and feelings and do so to a potentially huge audience.
In doing so they try to encourage ‘discussion’ and ‘social interaction’ and invite, obviously, criticism.
To most of the commentators in this thread:
…..Could *you* do that?
…..Do *you* have a new, original or potentially interesting take on The World?
…..or….
…..do you hide behind ‘science’ IOW= Appeals to authority and consensus
…..Could *you* put those thoughts into something tangible and thereby invite potentially vile and personally directed criticism? Could *you* take that?
…..Could *you* do or make anything ‘artistic’ and take the resulting flak?
So we see here, kind, gentle and undemanding folks laying their hearts on the line, and they get what?
Their point is missed, by several parsecs, by folks demonstrating how clever they (think) they are.
And *there* is Global Gas Gas Warming Radation Well Welling Change.
As far as I can see here, they are *not* espousing new tax, new regulations, how many babies to have, what food to eat, what cars to drive.
They are just ‘saying’ – and almost everybody cannot even handle that all the while claiming humans to be ‘social animals’
The Artists are trying to encourage and engage in being, in the purest sense, ‘social’
Ah no, they *can* handle social interaction can’t they?
Yes.
With a belly full of sugar and glass in their hands. Then they can handle ‘social’
But they know that that stuff is wasting them so they come up with ‘moderation’
Everything ‘in moderation’ of course BUT, *who* decides what is or is not ‘moderate’? ***
Please tell its not ‘science’ or ‘authority figures’ or, Lord help us, the actual consumer of these things while in the act of consuming them?
Are *you* able to do ‘socialising’ without a drink in your hand, do *you* understand how non-drinkers and non-drug-users even manage to exist?
Could ask Mr Trump if not.
***Lets give a nod 7 a wink to Charles ctm of course. (My son is called Charles. It means ‘Farmer’)
Tangent:
Did anyone see, while visiting The Grauniad recently that ‘”we are going to run out of (manufactured) Insulin within 10 years” – such is the rising demand.
Trendlines eh, ain’t *they* great fun?
Certainly for folks who dodge social interactions and imagine they know all about science instead. While miles high on sugar and booze. What *could* go wrong?
Endtangent
Vanessa
November 23, 2018 7:00 am
It is so exciting to see these people screaming about climate change when THEY expect everyone ELSE to do what they say should be done but THEY refuse to give up flying round the world, using their supped-up car to drive to the supermarket, using their ipads, etc. WHAT exactly are THEY prepared to do to implement their dream energy use ??????? How can you persuade anyone if YOU are not prepared to show the way ? !! You fail and your LIES are exposed !!!
That $122 trillion estimate is totally absurd if one is looking to achieve no carbon power generation and
low carbon transportation, private and commercial. Try less than $6 trillion using molten salt reactors and electric vehicles.
Certainly a more realistic fantasy than creative banners and Julie’s bicycles.
We tried Bixi bicycles in Montreal. The bikes were distributed at locations across the city, but they all ended up down town. The problem? Montreal is a distortion of Mount Royal. The city is hilly with gravity helping those cycling down toward the old downtown core. Now I see they are adding battery packs to the bikes. When I was a kid, I had a Whizzer. I guess that’s next.
I had a Mattel Vrroom ride in electric car similar to this
But large enough to fit a 5 year old
It was a blast…still have the key too
Turning to the arts to promote climate change is admitting that the whole thing is a figment of imagination.
“And the answer to that is…”
Most Brits would differ on the reply..
No English equivalent because there is no antonym – “Fxxx on” just doesn’t work at all.
/grin
….but “F**K YEAH!” does 🙂
So does “Go Thank Yourself”
Which could be extended to
“Go Thank Yourself and the horse you rode in on”
🂮🂾🃎🃞 hilarious!
…Since Science and Economics Have Failed, It’s Up To the Arts to Win the Gorebal War on the Weather…
I didn’t think Science and Economics had been tried.
Most of what has been tried so far is Religion. With a touch of Magic, and trick Photography….
I should have phrased it this way…
What has been tried has failed due to science and economics… Now it’s up to the Arts Council to win the Gorebal War on the Weather.
But at least Sir Nicholas Serota seems to have the qualifications to be a Climate Scientist.
That is one of my beefs the problem has never been given to scientists, engineers or economists apparently climate scientists are formally trained in all those fields especially Climate Scientists with English and Geology degrees.
If they gave the problem to real Engineers and Scientists they’d be told that there isn’t a problem.. ..
I would say that the problem isn’t critical and that solving it would cause many worse problems. There are lots of engineering situations with that answer, so we’re used to it.
Economics was tried – using a disingenuously low discount rate which totally masks the “Social Benefits of Carbon.”
For the record, economics is not a science. Period.
Economics is an observational activity, like bird-watching or psychology. Any activity based on “the rational investor” and ceteris paribus might as well be called astrology.
Don’t believe me? Try getting an “economist” tho give you a scientific prediction of where GE will be in 18 months, with 10::1 odds.
Come to think of it, try the same thing with a climate shaman (my prediction: absolutely zero takers)
Javert Chip – Agreed – At the university, I majored in Chem Eng w/ a minor in Economics. I also took the university course “Plant Design and Economics for Chemical Engineers” where cost estimating was more specific and rigorous than in my Econ courses. This Ch E course was more useful during my carrier.
Not even dismal?
From the article: “f we are to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world, “rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society” are required. This was the conclusion of a special report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published in October. We – the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change.”
After this 12-year period is up will the Alarmists finally give up making dire predictions about the weather and the future?
They should. They have been wrong on every occasion in the past. Their track record is not very good.
Wolf!!! Wolf!!! Wolf!!!
Tom Abbott…
After this 12-year period is up will the Alarmists finally give up making dire predictions about the weather and the future?
Nope. Just like Global Cooling, they will claim they never said it.
Tom, this crying wolf bit is pervasive. I did my Masters Thesis in the Seven Devils Mountains of Idaho. The name came from an Indian story about a boy sent to guard some thing in the mountains, and he came running down to the village six times shouting Devils! But the seventh time they realized he was crying “wolf” and they didn’t listen to him anymore. We should wait and see how many times us modern culture persons listen to the climate doom prediction before we understand it is crying “wolf”.
“that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world”
Of course the so called solutions are also going to have devastating econonic and social consequences for the world.
Global Warming itself, not so much.
So, am I interpreting this correctly? “to avoid irreversible global warming that will have devastating economic and social consequences for the world” we need to implement devastating economic and social programs for the world.
“the collective “we” – have been given 12 years to arrest climate change.”
So why does China, the world’s largest emitter, get a pass on emission reductions for the next 12 years(2030) according to the Paris Climate accord agreed to by the collective “we”.
And they wonder why Trump is leaving the deal!
The more important question is, Why would anyone stay in the deal?
“The more important question is, Why would anyone stay in the deal?”
Because most countries do not have to actually do anything, and they may get given some money, if the west is stupid enough to give any more.
Judging by the juliebicycle site this lot have their beady eyes on the $122 trillion up for grabs. Busy sustaining the sustainability of the scam.
Damn!!!
I missed a perfect opportunity to use this…
Climate… You have the right to remain static and never change… Just as you did throughout the Holocene, before the Anthropocene. You have the right to an attorney to sue ExxonMobil. If you cannot afford an attorney, the taxpayers will foot the bill. You also have the right to free unicorns…
How come you get to display jpg’s!!
Unfair.
Joel O’Bryan
Can you possibly conceive of the consequences of allowing the WUWT community to display jpg’s?
We might post a shot of a green and Anthony would cop the flak. I mean, it could be a porn community but god forbid we post a shot of a green.
A visual meme is worth a thousand words. “We” can’t let the plebs have that propaganda superpower; anymore!
*Superusers officials and authorities only!
The population doesn’t care about global warming. When a carbon tax really starts to bite they will.
Any government that tries to do anything meaningful about CAGW will go down in flames. Wasting money on windmills and jacking up the price of electricity a bit causes a bit of grumbling. When people can no longer afford to commute to work or heat their homes, watch out.
When a carbon tax starts to bite, they will already be like most Californians, and South Australians, and Germans…. sheep — convinced that being led to the slaughterhouse is for their own good. And those that didn’t buy into will be too few to matter.
Think I’m wrong? Just look at Venezuela. In the early years of Chavez, so much of the population was taken by the thoughts of “Chavismo” leading them to the life of the wealthy. Easy emigration allowed the smart ones to Get the Hell out before it all went South. Same with California. Those remaining still think it can’t get that bad… Well yes, it can. And it will turn in the blink of an eye.
As a political tool, Climate Change is just one of the many tools that Socialists are weilding to come to Power. And power is the End. Lying a about climate change is justified to acquire more political power. Just as easily as lying about Brett Kavanaugh and throwing any remaining ethics was justified by Democrats to stop a Constitutional originalist from the Supreme Court.
If they get you to accept that gender is whatever a person decides it is today, they’ve got you.
If they get you to believe that the words of the Constitution means whatever they want it to mean today, they’ve got you.
Saludos from Calizuela!!
For anyone in the UK, this was covered by the BBC. It was the most ridiculous programme that the BBC has ever produced (in my opinion).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00017b8
There is a lot of state money available for arts groups (usually professional, though some amateur groups might get a look in) who stage events or create material to “raise awareness” of “climate change” (and a lot of other fashionable “good causes”). It’s an unstable system. The more that “awareness” is raised, the more people there are who either believe in the cause or at least contribute cash, either voluntarily (via charities) or by compulsion (via taxes), and the more money is available to stage similar events. We may already have reached a tipping point of number of people who subscribe to this type of fraud.
Art in the service of politics is always so beautiful. Don’t you think so, comrades?
They are just getting in practice for drawing tears as it’s only ten days until the COP24. Perhaps China and France will turn up with buckets of cash for all.
What is wrong with the Arts Council promoting fiction?
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as the rising sea
I think that the rising sea
Is a thing you will never see
Hey guys, why not get your street cred tacking a slightly smaller problem first. How about:
Cure Cancer
Solve the Opioid Crisis
Stop child sex trafficking
Get teenagers to help clean up the environment in their rooms
Show some progress on one of these and I’ll be more inclined to believe you can save the planet.
Or if you really want impress me, how about:
Get movie/TV writers to produce content actually worth watching
That crisis is actually aligned with the traditional role of arts organizations …
AW,CDL7
Plainly you are bigoted.
I’m all in favor of allowing folks with only an arts education to build tall buildings, bridges and airplanes that can only be used by other people with an arts education.
AW,CDL7
/sarc
Question: Why is that the only solutions to ‘climate change’ all involve giving vast sums of money to people who have great difficulty rationally debating their position?
Because these schemes are created primarily by (direct or indirect) government employees. These folks, insulated from realities of the real world, are absolutely convinced they are better equipped to solve existential problems because…well, they just are.
If you have to ask “why”, you won’t understand the answer.
How many know that Maurice Strong, the guy who invented this Climate Change hoax, dumped a few million of the UN’s money into one of his companies a few years ago and ran away to live happily in China?
Usual virtue signalling from the luvviekissies. Meanwhile in the real world the rhetoric doesn’t quite match the reality.
Recently new European Union green lighting rules came into effect. But according to Mr Rufus Norris who runs the state-sponsored National Theatre in London, the costs of replacing the light bulbs was many millions of pounds. One would have thought that this was a small price to pay for saving the planet, a cause always uppermost in their thoughts. It was therefore a little surprising to discover that Mr Norris sought a theatrical exemption and indeed suggested that not exempting their workplace was “an oversight”.
Around this time a committee of green parliamentary activists noted that asthma sufferers were contributing to climate change by using in inhalers which emit potent greenhouse gases. Noted a wag at the time (it might have been me) – expect future visits to the theatre to be gloomy affairs with slightly more coughing and wheezing from the audience than normal.
Over at the Royal Shakespeare Company, the luvvies got the hump in 2017 over a scheme by the oil company BP to buy tickets and sell them for £5 to people under 25. So a bunch led by Mark Rylance, Emma Thompson and Vanessa Redgrave announced that they would raise money for a similar scheme. In addition, 10% of donations were promised for “grassroots groups fighting BP environmental and human rights impacts”.
Thirteen months later – amount raised – £3,720. Of course little or no publicity was generated when the results came in, but then of course that was not the intention. Virtue points had long been banked by all the wealthy actors.
” theatrical exemption”, that’s the right expression for all the silly symbolic measures to “save the planet / climate / humankind / boiled snails.
I will prevent global warming and won’t cost a penny.
Actually, that is Orwell-speak for “we want to cause devastating economic and social consequences because we hate civilization and humanity.” Those of us who remember the gas lines and panic during the 1973 oil embargo caused by the Yom Kippur War got a taste of the “devastating economic and social consequences” we can expect if these people get their way. The folks living in my area got a much more recent taste of that future a few years ago when a bearing went out in a hydro plant generator one cold, calm winter night and 3 counties lost all power for 3–4 hours as the windmills sat silently by in the cold, dark and still winter air. The quiet night in my small town was disturbed by the sound of personal generators starting up and chain saws working in the wood piles. My own wood pile had been long since stacked and ready, as it is again this year.
What’s a “Companion of Honour”? And only for four years? Dishonourable after that, no doubt. Well, the arts have been at it for a long time already, Leo di Caprio is buzzing around in his jet to warn us about global warming because of…flying.
the arts have solved time travel, provided us hyper-drives, explored strange, new worlds…. so why not solve the Climate Crisis(TM)?
I just finished watching Geostorm… The arts actually won the Gorebal War on the Weather… 😉
PLEEEEASE don’t mention that movie. I knew it was going to push the Climate Change/Extreme Weather meme, and went into it thinking I could just suspend my disbelief and enjoy some Sci-Fi.
What I found I couldn’t suspend was my knowledge of basic physics. Almost EVERYTHING in that movie regarding space flight or orbital mechanics was absurd. From the solid global net of linked together satellites to the shuttle that flew straight up through it and was then magically in orbit with a space station (That had large rotating portions. For artificial gravity? Because it seems to extend into the parts of the station that DON’T spin, as well).
Mind you as bad as it was, it still wasn’t the worst Sci-Fi Disaster film I saw this year. That dubious distinction goes to Shockwave : countdown to disaster. A movie about a secret weapon that will cause global earthquakes and volcanoes, that doesn’t know the San Andreas fault doesn’t run through Yellowstone.
>¿<
This global warming is getting the full communist propaganda shtick. The populace will reject it the more they are forced to believe it.
Very interesting. I had a former life as an asst director of a university biological field station in the 90’s. Field stations all across the country started adding artists to the mission statements in an attempt to gain more relevancy. I guess science at a science field station was not enough for university officials.
Then they added art to the STEM programs to make STEAM!
LOL.
It’s all about the money and there is the definition of a promotion from the old and speculative Vancouver Stock Exchange.
“In the beginning, the promoter has the vision and the public has the money.
At the end of the promotion, the promoter has the money and the public has the vision.”
There have been two promotions. One is that the Fed can “manage” the economy. The tout in 1913 was that it could prevent the financial setbacks that preceded recessions.
There have been 18 recessions since then.
The other promotion has been the vision that a committee can “manage” the temperature of the nearest planet.
Financial markets have completed an extraordinary bubble and the contraction is underway. The public will recall that the Federasts spent Trillions on the boast that they can prevent “bad things” from happening.
A severe contraction is possible and it would start the condemnation of “managing the economy”.
As this cooling trend becomes more noticed, it will prompt condemnation that a committee can control the climate.
Two of the most absurd promotions in history are about to be seen as failures. Expensive ones.
When precisely did they determine that Gorebull Warming was irreversible.
When? When “it’s worse than we thought” stopped working.
An investment banker once quipped that he knew to sell stock when his mother in law urged him to buy. Perhaps now that the arty farties are in on the act, it could be the signal for many to abandon the warming bandwagon.
Hollywood has been on it since Day 1 – actually, they created the whole hullaballoo. The movie got an Oscar.
AEUHHH??? is starting to wear a little thin.
No it isn’t.
Is
Could you summarise that for us?
I suspect that the only thing getting thin is your skin.
You can always change the channel ! .. D’OH !
When idiotic articles about climate change run thin, I’ll stop using it. Until then…
https://youtu.be/Ji9qSuQapFY
https://youtu.be/YQwYNca4iog
Instead of consulting Feynman or Einstein or Heisenberg I went straight to Shakespeare and good old Titania from A Midsummers Night Dream has it summed up as she rattles on about Climate Change..
“Therefore the winds, piping to us in vain,
As in revenge, have sucked up from the seas
Contagious fogs which, falling in the land
Have every pelting river made so proud
That they have overborne their continents.
The ox hath therefore stretched his yoke in vain,
The ploughman lost his sweat, and the green corn
Hath rotted ere his youth attained a beard.
The fold stands empty in the drowned field,
And crows are fatted with the murrain flock.
The nine – men’s- morris is filled up with mud
Therefore the moon, the governess of floods,
Pale in her anger washes all the air,
That rheumatic diseases do abound;
And thorough this distemperature we see
The seasons alter: hoary – headed frosts
Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
And on old Hiems’thin and icy crown
An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
Is, as in mockery, set. The spring, the summer,
The childing autumn, angry winter change
Their wonted liveries, and the mazed world,
By their increase, now knows not which is which”
Were it not for tragedy, the bards would languish in their art, for it is our unique suffering that sets us all apart.
A tale of all things well would be too terribly mundane, much better we would act out what is evil, or insane.
A purse of gold awaits the bards who wow the masses, that’s why each new disaster every older one surpasses.
⚜
Hamlet, as well —
“I have of late,—but wherefore I know not,—lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire,—why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.”
“In October 2006, Alison (not Julie) got on her bike to meet some friends from the music industry for dinner at a restaurant called Julie’s. That night together they dreamed up a vision of the future where festivals were powered by solar, venues were off-grid and covered in flowers, museums were community energy providers, artists were united as beacons for change …”.
LOL, why isn’t it called Alison’s bicycle?
That’s Britain where as adults they still live in a Teletubbies world:
Finally something interesting on the BBC’s science website:
“The key factor in the Plio-Pleistocene megaherbivore decline seems to be the expansion of grasslands, which is likely related to a global drop in atmospheric CO₂ over the last five million years,” said co-author John Rowan, from University of Massachusetts Amherst.
Low CO₂ levels favour tropical grasses over trees, and as a consequence savannas became less woody and more open through time. We know that many of the extinct megaherbivores fed on woody vegetation, so they seem to disappear alongside their food source.”
and:
“A transition from eating mainly vegetables and fruit to predominantly eating meat may have driven the evolution of humans’ big brains. ”
hm,… have your kids first, then go vegetarian.
no offence meant, that advice sounds a bit dodgy, … no I didn’t mean that…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46306622
That banner needs to say
What a Wonderful
World…thanks to
that miracle gas CO2
There will be theater galore at the upcoming COP24 in Katowice. The theatrics, the spin, and the emotional turmoil will be epic. There will be screaming, crying, finger-pointing, and shaken fists. And that’s just the beginning. Too bad there aren’t tickets to the show. They could make a mint. Now that’s Art.
Talented actors make great politicians. They are whoever fits the moment.
Unsatisfied with literally emasculating Art via PC nonsense and SJW garbage*, the climate change numpties, trougherati, and Lysenkoists now seek to deal Art a death blow by reducing it to mere propaganda. These people are all barmy in the crumpet.
* e.g., the feminista Star Wars billion dollar trainwreck
The arts are running out of artistic themes? Could be.
More likely they’re jumping on the band wagon the only way they have available to them. But they want some of that money and authority.
“….. where he worked for three years before he became the Director of the Whitechapel Gallery in 1976”
This is the latest art exhibit at the Whitechapel Gallery
(art can be edibly attractive)
Talking of arts and artists … a promising sign today from the BBC. They posted a science report about extinction of large fauna during the Pleistocene (last 2.6 million years) and they point the finger at CO2 levels; not rising, but falling. Decreasing CO2 – following glacial cooling – caused forests to transition into grasslands, depriving forest-dwelling animals, and their predators, of their habitat and food source.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46306622
CO2 not necessarily being the Hollywood villain with the British accent – that’s progress of a sort.
Oh, come on. Didn’t you hear yourselves, luvvies? We have only got 12 years. In view of the carbon footprint you generate, the only decent thing to do is close yourselves down.
I’m torn between “let them’, so that they look ridiculous for using fantasy/sci-fi to scare people, and wondering why someone doesn’t haul these bozos off to a psych ward for evaluation.
It’s been snowing in my area off and on since November 9, mostly 0.5″ to 1.5”, which comes overnight, creates a blanket, sends the female red-bellied woodpecker (beautiful bird!!!!) to my feeding station, reminding me that I need to get suet cakes for her and the hairy woodpeckers, in case they show up, and peanuts for the blue jays, and all the feather flockers are hungry because the cold came early, as did the snow. We may get the southern edge of a pending blizzard by Sunday, so I’ll be stocking the pantry, cupboards and fridge and freezer.
Now that’s the real world, the one that I live in, and that the rest of you live in. We do not live in cosseted, insulated offices with silly graphs on screens supporting the nonsense that the world is about to – dare I say it? – get an average 0.5 degree warmer.
I am more and more convinced that, aside from the looney-tune factor that figures into this nonsense, the people who do this are bogged up in some pseudo-psychological religion that they are unwilling to leave, because they get a massive rush out of it. Everything about what they say and do indicates that my assessment of them is close to the mark.
I think their funding should be completely cut off, including “arts funding”, and put into practical things like more efficient appliances that do the same job with less electricity, and increased food production. Also, a penalty or fine on US states like California that refuse to clear out fire-friendly fuels on state lands, because the Greenies don’t like “CHANGE”. I have a friend who is the head of his firefighting unit who will nearly spit nails about events like the Camp Fire, and what it cost in lives. He is furious about it.
These people are as close to nuts as you can get. The only thing that will stop them is a leading edge of a line of glaciers oozing south toward their offices.
Even then, they will probably deny that it exists. And that is the REAL problem.
‘And the arts and cultural sector is no exception.’ and , just like scientist, when your paycheck depends on it…
If “climate change” is the threat that these people say it is, society doesn’t have the slack to indulge things such as “arts councils”. People like this will need to be the first to go.
I’ve been reading Paul Hollander’s “The Many Faces of Socialism,” in which series of essays he describes how the state turned every last bit of everything into an exercise in propaganda.
All the cultural arts and plays, clubs, leisure time — everything — was captured, controlled, and turned into a contrived cultural desert, empty of spontaneity. Empty of life, really.
The Arts Council England description of their attitudes and intentions sounds just exactly like the joyless politicized drivel advanced by the concerned deep thinkers of the Soviet Union.
I had someone tell me within the past decade that the Cold War was ended because of the arts. I haven’t stopped laughing at that one.
The arts already solved climate change. See George Orr and The Lathe of Heaven.
lol. Translates as”The arts have a leading role to play in bilking the system for cash in the name of climate change”
And English graduates like Steve Mosher are leading the way.
Here is my reply as an artist, a final version of a reply above.
A Thespian’s Reflections
Were it not for tragedy, the bards would languish in their art, for it is our unique suffering that sets us all apart.
A tale of all things well would be too terribly mundane, much better we would act out what is evil, or insane.
A purse of public gold awaits each bard who wows the masses, that’s why each new disaster every older one surpasses.
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”- T.S. Eliot
Imagine the fuss if a professional engineering body commented on a painting!
Thank you Larry, *we* all do know who that should be aimed at, don’t *we*
As far as I know/understand and engage with ‘art’ is that artists are kindly gentle folks who are actually very very brave. Brave in that they lay bare their thoughts and feelings and do so to a potentially huge audience.
In doing so they try to encourage ‘discussion’ and ‘social interaction’ and invite, obviously, criticism.
To most of the commentators in this thread:
…..Could *you* do that?
…..Do *you* have a new, original or potentially interesting take on The World?
…..or….
…..do you hide behind ‘science’ IOW= Appeals to authority and consensus
…..Could *you* put those thoughts into something tangible and thereby invite potentially vile and personally directed criticism? Could *you* take that?
…..Could *you* do or make anything ‘artistic’ and take the resulting flak?
So we see here, kind, gentle and undemanding folks laying their hearts on the line, and they get what?
Their point is missed, by several parsecs, by folks demonstrating how clever they (think) they are.
And *there* is Global Gas Gas Warming Radation Well Welling Change.
As far as I can see here, they are *not* espousing new tax, new regulations, how many babies to have, what food to eat, what cars to drive.
They are just ‘saying’ – and almost everybody cannot even handle that all the while claiming humans to be ‘social animals’
The Artists are trying to encourage and engage in being, in the purest sense, ‘social’
Ah no, they *can* handle social interaction can’t they?
Yes.
With a belly full of sugar and glass in their hands. Then they can handle ‘social’
But they know that that stuff is wasting them so they come up with ‘moderation’
Everything ‘in moderation’ of course BUT, *who* decides what is or is not ‘moderate’? ***
Please tell its not ‘science’ or ‘authority figures’ or, Lord help us, the actual consumer of these things while in the act of consuming them?
Are *you* able to do ‘socialising’ without a drink in your hand, do *you* understand how non-drinkers and non-drug-users even manage to exist?
Could ask Mr Trump if not.
***Lets give a nod 7 a wink to Charles ctm of course. (My son is called Charles. It means ‘Farmer’)
Tangent:
Did anyone see, while visiting The Grauniad recently that ‘”we are going to run out of (manufactured) Insulin within 10 years” – such is the rising demand.
Trendlines eh, ain’t *they* great fun?
Certainly for folks who dodge social interactions and imagine they know all about science instead. While miles high on sugar and booze. What *could* go wrong?
Endtangent
It is so exciting to see these people screaming about climate change when THEY expect everyone ELSE to do what they say should be done but THEY refuse to give up flying round the world, using their supped-up car to drive to the supermarket, using their ipads, etc. WHAT exactly are THEY prepared to do to implement their dream energy use ??????? How can you persuade anyone if YOU are not prepared to show the way ? !! You fail and your LIES are exposed !!!