“What Will Persuade Conservatives To Fight Climate Change?” The same things that would persuade us to fight plate tectonics, entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics!

Yes… I know entropy falls under the Second Law of Thermodynamics… But I doubt the author of the Clean Technica article does. [Author’s note: By “falls under the Second Law of Thermodynamics, I don’t mean decreases; I mean it falls under the “jurisdiction” of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.]

Guest ridicule by David Middleton

Among today’s Real Clear Energy headlines, almost totally unrelated to energy: What Will Persuade Conservatives To Fight Climate Change?

Carolyn Fortuna, one of CleanTechnica’s energy industry and climate science experts (AKA a sustainability blogger), has put forth a list of six reasons conservatives should fight climate change…

Reason #1: To Fight Climate Change is to Negate a Serious Threat to Global Security

Ms. Fortuna cites a report from The Center for Climate & Security, a warmunist activist group composed mostly of Obama-era retired military brass, including Rear Admiral David W. Titley, USN (Ret).  This group was addressed recently in another post.

The gist of the latest Center for Climate & Security is that sea level rise is an existential threat to coastal military facilities, which are quite often naval bases… frequently hosting “ships and/or submarines.’  Some of the latest climate modeling indicates that ships and submarines may be able to adapt to sea level rise.

It is also thought that Marine Amphibious Groups may also handle sea level rise fairly well.  A question for Ms. Fortuna:  Which is worse for an amphibious assault? Rising or falling sea level?  (Think tides).

Honestly, if this threatens our war-fighting capabilities, we have bigger problems than climate change…

I thought about posting this image at the same scale as an Arleigh Burke Class DDG (figuring a Nimitz Class CVN was overkill), but since I already had an image of global sea level rise plotted at the same scale as the Statue of Liberty, I figured it conveyed the same message…

Lady Liberty has nothing to fear from the Adjustocene Sea. What’s that? You can’t see the sea level trend? It’s right down there at sea level… between the water and the base of Liberty Island. (National Geographic’s Junk Science: How long will it take for sea level rise to reach midway up the Statue of Liberty?, Anthony Watts)

Addendum

Sea level rise in the Chesapeake Bay area, home of the massive Norfolk Naval Station, is mostly due to subsidence of the land.

SewellsPoint

Subsidence is not due to climate change… At least not due to recent climate change.

If the Navy has a climate change problem, it’s the fact that their newest class of warships, Littoral Combat Ships, have trouble with ice…

Climate Change Weather Disables US Navy’s Newest Ship! (WUWT)

Reason #2: Many Republican-Held Districts are Already Experiencing the Effects of Climate Change

Many Republican-held districts are also already experiencing the effects of plate tectonics, entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics.  For that matter, every Republican-held district has been experiencing the effects of climate change for a very long time… And it was all good up until 1988, apart from the Dust Bowl.

What changed in 1988?  Al Gore & Jimbo Hansen invented Gorebal Warming.

Reason #3: Respected Republican Elders are Promoting Carbon Dividends

Republican party elders James A. Baker III and George P. Schultz formed a new organization in 2017  to build political support for the carbon dividend proposal, and former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and former Sen. John Breaux (D-La.) have joined in with their support. Calling themselves the Climate Leadership Council, the group has outlined a 4-point plan:

  1. A gradually rising tax on carbon dioxide emissions, to be implemented at the refinery or the first point where fossil fuels enter the economy
  2. All proceeds from this carbon tax would be returned to the American people on an equal and monthly basis
  3. Border adjustments for the carbon content of both imports and exports would protect American competitiveness and punish free-riding by other nations, encouraging them to adopt carbon pricing of their own
  4. Elimination of regulations that are no longer necessary upon the enactment of a rising carbon tax

Not just no… But… NO FRACKING WAY!!!

  1. Respected Republican Elders?  Two fossilized RINO’s, the State Swamp Critter of Mississippi and a Loosiana Democrat??? WTF???
  2. “All proceeds from this carbon tax would be returned to the American people on an equal and monthly basis”… Does anyone really believe this?  The government will p!$$ that money away faster than they collect it.
  3. $45/ton = $.40/gallon of gasoline and other economically destructive nonsense.
  4. A real-world discount rate zeroes out all “benefits” of a carbon tax.
    Figure 3 from Nordhaus (2017), modified by author. A linear extrapolation of Nordhaus’ discount rate plot implies that a 7% discount rated would zero-out the social cost of carbon. Discounting Away the Social Cost of Carbon: The Fast Lane to Undoing Obama’s Climate Regulations.

    As a default position, OMB Circular A-94 states that a real discount rate of 7 percent should be used as a base-case for regulatory analysis. The 7 percent rate is an estimate of the average before-tax rate of return to private capital in the U.S. economy… https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/OMB%20Circular%20No.%20A-4.pdf

Reason #4: It’s All about Politics, Stupid

Fixed it for Ms. Fortuna:

Reason #4: It’s All about Politics, Stupid… and…

Reason #5: Clean Energy Creates Jobs

So does hiring thousands of people with brooms rather than a couple of snowplows to clear the streets of snow.  Note to Ms. Fortuna: The energy industry is NOT a jobs program.

Sources: BP 2016 Statistical Review of World Energy, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (via FRED), The Solar Foundation and American Wind Energy Association.  What NPR Misses About Energy Jobs In America

Reason #6: The Millennials Want Clean Energy, & Conservatives Want the Millennial Vote

Who fracking cares what millennials want?  This is like saying they want unicorns in a fossil fueled world.

 

Can you see solar power on the graph?  Highlights From the 2018 BP Statistical Review of World Energy
Fossil fuels accounted for 85% of global primary energy consumption in 2017. Million tonnes oil equivalent (MTOE)

When asked about their clean energy desires (unicorn fantasies) are they also asked if they’re cool with a 20-300% tax on their energy consumption?  Note to Ms. Fortuna… That escalating $.40/gal tax on gasoline will be passed on to millennials’ Uber bills.  The 56% tax on natural gas and 297% tax on coal will hit them right in their iPhone chargers.

Millennials are an energy dichotomy.  They are more likely to be “Green Champions” *and* be “Savings Seekers” than the over-35 crowd…

What do millennials want from their energy providers? Millennials are far more willing than non-millennials to pay for renewable energy resources, but also more willing to change providers, if they can get better value and/or better service. Utility Dive

Apparently, they want to have their energy cake and eat it too.

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Gorodon Jeffrey Giles
September 18, 2018 12:10 pm

Classic entertainment merged with information.

Outstanding article.

hunter
September 18, 2018 12:42 pm

What will it take to get climate obsessed True Believers to question their assumptions? Time and time again the predictions of the climate Fanatics are proven to be false. Time and time again the claims of data are shown to be dubious at best. Time and time again the alleged cures that the climate obsessed demand are proven to the financial catastrophes and to not change anything about the climate. it is long past time for the climate Believers to have to defend the assumptions they make. Instead, they refuse to debate they refuse to discuss, and they refuse to disclose data.

Reply to  hunter
September 18, 2018 4:31 pm

The “climate obsessed” are NOT the ones reading the falsifications. They are NOT the ones observing false outcomes (ONLY the predictions). They are NOT the ones who scrutinize the data. They are NOT the ones looking at the financials.

They are only looking at the spoon-fed warnings. That’s as hard as they are willing to work intellectually, I’m thinking. It’s easier to be alarmed than it is to be informed. Sadly, I believe it’s that simple.

Yirgach
September 18, 2018 7:04 pm

Ms. Fortuna describes her background as digital literacy and learning professional .
This is also known in simpler terms as a Librarian
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

John Endicott
September 19, 2018 5:51 am

Reason #1: To Fight Climate Change is to Negate a Serious Threat to Global Security

total BS.

Reason #2: Many Republican-Held Districts are Already Experiencing the Effects of Climate Change

more BS

Reason #3: Respected Republican Elders are Promoting Carbon Dividends

Appeal to authority. Skeptics/Republicans could care less what “authority” has to say (let alone when that “authority” is a couple of ancient RINOs) If they followed what “authorities” said, Trump would not be president, Hillary would.

Reason #4: It’s All about Politics, Stupid

At least Ms. Fortuna admits its all about politics and not a bit about science.

Reason #5: Clean Energy Creates Jobs

Breaking windows creates more jobs for window makers, doesn’t make going around smashing everyone’s windows a good thing to do.

Reason #6: The Millennials Want Clean Energy, & Conservatives Want the Millennial Vote

Pandering to the immature and inexperienced is no way to govern.

Herbert
September 19, 2018 4:40 pm

On Reason 3, This is James Hansen’s Pigouvian Tax on externalities with ALL revenue returned at the end of a period to the citizenry in equal amounts.
Leaving all other issues aside, can anyone believe that world governments will abide the collection and return of fabulous amounts of money without some or a large portion of it going to R&D or staying in Government coffers?
Tell these people they are Utopian dreamers!

Bob Ludwick
September 20, 2018 11:57 am

Not being able to speak for generic conservatives I will speak for a singular conservative.

To start with, the folks trying to convince me will have to stop peeing on my head and assuring me that it is raining. I will confine myself to two specific examples. I could add tomes.

Back in 2015 (right before the Paris Climate Summit, conveniently) the world was greeted with this headline from NOAA: “July 2015 was the warmest month ever recorded for the globe.” https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201507 The story provided details, such as: “The July average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.46°F (0.81°C) above the 20th century average. As July is climatologically the warmest month for the year, this was also the all-time highest monthly temperature in the 1880–2015 record, at 61.86°F (16.61°C), surpassing the previous record set in 1998 by 0.14°F (0.08°C).”

The announcement was headline news in every-literally-major newspaper in the country and around the world.

For this headline, from the US Government agency responsible for monitoring the climate and providing climate guidance to the ‘policymakers’, to be true several OTHER things have to be true:

There MUST be a definition of ‘Monthly Temperature of the Globe’, and how it is calculated. Is there?
There MUST be a temperature data base somewhere, dating from 1880, that contains temperature records for the entire globe that the temperature record for July 2015 can be compared against. Is there?
The planetary temperature data acquisition system dating from 1880 MUST have been deployed such that the data it produces can reasonably be compared with contemporary data. Was it?
The accuracy and precision of the instrumentation dating from 1880 MUST have been comparable to the accuracy and precision of contemporary instruments. Was it? Hint: Sea surface temperatures were, until relatively recently, collected by dropping a bucket over the side of a ship, bringing up a bucketful, sticking a thermometer in it, and recording the resulting ‘temperature’. The whole process was conducted by an untrained, low ranking sailor who didn’t want to do it in the first place. Also, because of the procedure, it is unlikely that there are any two samples in the history of sea surface temperature measurement that were collected in different years at the same date, time, and location. Does this strike anyone as a procedure that would allow measurements collected over a 136 year time span to be compared with 0.1 F precision with enough confidence to justify worldwide headlines announcing a 0.1degree anomaly?

I could go on, but you see the problem. The people trying to convince me REPEATEDLY come up with outlandish claims that are patent BS and which are advertised as settled, scientific FACTS which can and SHOULD be cited as justification for legislation with impacts in the trillions of dollars.

Here is another quote from a newspaper article in 1999, referring to the global temperature in 1998: “The NASA scientists, using NOAA and other data, calculated an average worldwide temperature of about 58.496 degrees F., topping the record, set in 1995 of 58.154”. Using the word ‘about’ followed by a global temperature with millidegree precision? Really? If that was ‘about’ wonder how they would have done if they had gone for precision?

What am I supposed to make of scientists who, examining temperature data over a century plus time frame, collected for the most part by untrained personnel using instruments whose precision when used by trained personnel under ideal conditions would have done well to justify +/- 1.0 F, are producing press releases advertising the ‘Annual Temperature of the Globe’ with millidegree precision. And expecting me, knowing that the fullness of the rice bowls of the scientists depends entirely on their producing a steady succession of headlines demonstrating catastrophic, anthropogenic global warming, to be convinced? When I can’t remember a SINGLE press release, of thousands, from the climateriat over the last 20+ years that suggested ANY possible benefit from a mild increase in temperature SHOULD I be convinced? When individuals, many of whom are PhD level scientists whose careers have been spent in climate related fields, suggest that there may POSSIBLY be some benefit to increasing CO2 finds their careers in the toilet, their jobs terminated, and themselves threatened with prosecution for ‘crimes against humanity’, should I find THAT to be a convincing argument for ‘Fighting Climate Change’?

As in all things I am WILLING to be convinced. It is just that on this subject every bit of data that I have actually accumulated over the past quarter century plus has convinced me that as a group the recognized, peer reviewed climate experts at the pointy end of the climate science pyramid are the LAST folks I should consult on any matter more complex than whether to add another quarter to the parking meter.

Oliver
September 29, 2018 8:33 am

The first step in dealing with climate alarmism,then, is establishing the correct definition of “climate change”. Make sure we are talking about the same thing, because, when I say “climate change”, I do NOT mean the warped UNFCCC defintion — I mean the proper, common-language definition.

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