Washington Post: President Trump “is complicit” in Hurricane Florence Because Climate Change

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Washington Post seems to think Presidents they don’t like can cause hurricanes.

Another hurricane is about to batter our coast. Trump is complicit.

By Editorial Board
September 11 at 7:45 PM

President Trump issued several warnings on his Twitter feed Monday, counseling those in Florence’s projected path to prepare and listen to local officials. That was good advice.

Yet when it comes to extreme weather, Mr. Trump is complicit. He plays down humans’ role in increasing the risks, and he continues to dismantle efforts to address those risks. It is hard to attribute any single weather event to climate change. But there is no reasonable doubt that humans are priming the Earth’s systems to produce disasters.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-hurricane-is-about-to-batter-our-coast-trump-is-complicit/2018/09/11/ccaed766-b5fb-11e8-a7b5-adaaa5b2a57f_story.html

It is difficult to think of a claim more ridiculous – though to be fair the Post article does go on to quote climate scientist Kevin Trenberth. But Washington Post does have historical precedent when they blame individuals for severe weather events.

Back in the late 1600s, the Salem Witch Trials accused defendants of using black magic to cause bad weather, during a prolonged period of bad weather.

… The Salem witch trials fell within an extreme cold spell that lasted from 1680 and 1730 — one of the chilliest segments of the little ice age. The notion that weather may have instigated those trials is being revived by Salem State University historian Tad Baker in his forthcoming book, “A Storm of Witchcraft” (Oxford University Press, 2013). Building on Oster’s thesis, Baker has found clues in diaries and sermons that suggest a harsh New England winter really may have set the stage for accusations of witchcraft.

According to the Salem News, one clue is a document that mentions a key player in the Salem drama, Rev. Samuel Parris, whose daughter Betty was the first to become ill in the winter of 1691-1692 because of supposed witchcraft. In that document, “Rev. Parris is arguing with his parish over the wood supply,” Baker said. A winter fuel shortage would have made for a fairly miserable colonial home, and “the higher the misery quotient, the more likely you are to be seeing witches.” …

Read more: https://www.livescience.com/19820-salem-witch-trials.html

Washington Post is accusing President Trump of causing warm weather and hurricanes, whereas the Salem trials accused people of causing cold weather. But The Washington Post also claims that CO2 causes more damaging winter storms – so maybe the Post is not so different in their thinking to the historical Salem witch hunters.

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Patrick MJD
September 12, 2018 8:43 pm

In London, England the Brexit debate continues but then there is this;

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ready-aim-misfire-the-brits-just-aren-t-as-good-as-australians-at-leadership-coups-20180913-p503fu.html?loginAction=%5Bobject%20Object%5D

“London: Political leadership speculation in the UK is like the weather, said senior Cabinet member Michael Gove on Wednesday.

He intended to be dismissive but was spot on: it’s been unusually hot this summer, made worse by a dangerous change to the climate.”

Mr GrimNasty
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 13, 2018 2:08 am

Just to be factual:-

40 years since the summer of ’76, a ‘monstrous’ amount of CO2 pumped out by man, and the CET (the ‘best’ English climate data) was still 0.5C colder than 1976. Even summer 1826 was hotter than 2018. 2018 had one day over 30C, 1976 had NINE. So much for man-made climate change. (The claims of hottest ever – by a tiny margin/tied – were based on extrapolation of airports, airbases, and 40 years of massive urban development.)

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Mr GrimNasty
September 13, 2018 3:18 am

“To get an even longer-term perspective our multi-century Central England Temperature* (CET) series dates back to 1659. In this dataset summer 2018 looks likely to slip behind the summers of 1976 and 1826. If we look back through the CET series only 10 summers recorded an average temperature above 17C. Six of those have occurred since 1976, and only two (1826, 1846) were pre 20th Century …..”

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/2018/end-of-summer-stats

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 6:33 am

OK, during the Little Ice Age, England was cooler than it is today.
Tell us something we didn’t already know.

ATheoK
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 10:41 am

And with a negative North Atlantic Oscillation in place; I doubt they’ll think winter is hotter.

That stuff they claim their children will never know, may not increase in volume; but what does fall is likely to stay for a visit.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 13, 2018 3:44 am

Michael Gove is hopelessly deluded on climate change, so he’s perfect for the job.
During heatwaves I measure the temperature in the shade. The highest I recorded during this heatwave was 30.0C. I’ve recorded higher temperatures in the past of at least 31.0C
Of course, these temperature records are meaningless because the weather stations are not the same. A hundred years ago most of the stations were surrounded by grass and trees – trees have a significant cooling effect. Now most of them are surrounded by concrete, and more than half are at airports right next to the runway. If by some magic the weather was exactly the same every year, we would still have an endless stream of records – even without the help of ice cream vans in Scotland!
Chris

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Chris Wright
September 13, 2018 6:47 am

I still find it amazing that alarmists never expect climate to change.

R Shearer
September 12, 2018 8:45 pm

I think your comparison to Salem is correct. Ironically, the Washington Post did all it could to foist one of the World’s greatest witches upon us. Thankfully they failed.

Reply to  R Shearer
September 12, 2018 9:09 pm

*…one of the World’s worst witches….

Rich Davis
Reply to  Cascadian
September 13, 2018 3:05 am

Ding dong the witch is dead!

Or is she?

Tom Halla
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 13, 2018 4:59 am

Bury her in a crossroads with a stake in her heart!

Reply to  R Shearer
September 12, 2018 11:23 pm

The warmist minions are a strange breed – they typically have a soft degree in the humanities from some junior college, majoring in English, Sociology, Psychology, Gender Studies, Witchcraft, etc. and have no clue about the Scientific Method.

Still, the typical warmist minion will scream their belief in manmade global warming catastrophism and climate change hysteria – all based on what they heard from their idiot friends on Facebook and Twitter or over a “Venti, Soy, Semi-Caf, No Foam Latte” at Starbucks – and they will verbally or physically assault anyone who disagrees with their imbecilic position.

The following brief treatise on the Scientific Method is presented for the benefit of all the warmist minions out there. If they read it, it will be the most scholarly work they have done on global warming and climate change in their entire lives – but even this 3-minute treatise will probably be too long and complicated for them.

Regards, Allan
_______________________________

ON THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD:

Richard Feynman on The Scientific Method (1964)
https://youtu.be/0KmimDq4cSU

at 0:39/9:58: ”If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong.”
At 4:01/9:58: “You can always prove any definite theory wrong.”
At 6:09/9:58: “By having a vague theory, it’s possible to get either result.”

THIS IS THE “CLIMATE CHANGE” ALARMISTS’ DECEITFUL STRATEGY:
“By having a vague theory, it’s possible to get either result.” – Richard Feynman
“A theory that is not refutable by any conceivable event is non-scientific.” – Karl Popper.

The “Climate Change” hypothesis is so vague, and changes so often, that it is not falsifiable and not scientific. It should be rejected as unscientific nonsense.

The “Manmade Runaway Global Warming” hypothesis is at least falsifiable, and IT HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY FALSIFIED:

1. By the ~37-year global cooling period from ~1940 to 1977;

2. By “the Pause”, when temperature did not significantly increase for almost two decades, despite increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations;

3. By the absence of runaway global warming over geologic time, despite much higher CO2 concentrations;

4. By the fact that equatorial Pacific sea surface temperatures have not increased significantly since ~1982, and corresponding air temperatures increased largely due to the dissipation of the cooling impact of two century-scale volcanoes – El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991+;

5. By the fact that CO2 trends lags temperature trends by ~9 months in the modern data record, and by ~~800 years in the ice core record, and the undeniable reality that the future cannot cause the past.

Global warming and climate change alarmism, in a few decades at most, will be regarded as a mass delusion, and its leaders and its followers will be widely regarded as scoundrels and imbeciles.

In summary, there is no real dangerous global warming or wilder weather crisis. In fact, increasing atmospheric CO2 certainly improves plant and crop yields, and may cause some mild global warming, which will be net-beneficial to humanity and the environment.

Regards, Allan

RyanS
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 12, 2018 11:36 pm

“In summary, there is no real dangerous global warming or wilder weather crisis. In fact, increasing atmospheric CO2 certainly improves plant and crop yields, and may cause some mild global warming, which will be net-beneficial to humanity and the environment.”

You must have typed (or cut and paste) these same words a hundred times. I guess you believe them now. Repeating them again is unnecessary – we get it already.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:40 am

The point is to educate you away from ignorance … Seems to be failing

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 3:28 am

“The point is to educate you away from ignorance …”

In order for this site to “educate people away from ignorance” it needs to report science without the reflexive “claim” type of headline and attacking of it because people here dont like it. Education requires a balanced look at the science. The only “balance” here comes from the few posters (Nick Stokes, Leif Svalsgaard, and a few others) who are prepared to put up with that kind of comment, and worse.
Otherwise without that input this site is nothing but an echo-chamber.
No one gets educated in an echo-chamber my friend.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 6:28 am

“it needs to report science”

What “science?!” A “model study” which is pre-loaded with unfounded assumptions may pass as “science” to you, but not to those who actually understand what “science” is.

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 6:36 am

This site does report science.
Unlike you, we don’t declare a priori that anyone who disagrees with us is not a scientist.

Chris
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 10:56 am

“Unlike you, we don’t declare a priori that anyone who disagrees with us is not a scientist.”

Rubbish, you attack climatologists all the time, and the only evidence you provide is hand-waving generalisms like altered data, inaccurate models and rent seeking scientists. Zero science being practiced by you.

Honest liberty
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 6:44 am

Anthony, so anyone who hasn’t drank the co2 Kool aid isn’t balanced?
You are a child. A religious zealot who is clinging to your goddess, GAIA. Seriously.
There is no unadulterated, pure data that supports anything other than a mild warming trend since the LIA.
What are you going to say once the next decade cools dramatically. You better take your smarmy ass back here and apologize.

honest liberty
Reply to  Honest liberty
September 13, 2018 7:53 am

additionally, it disturbs me that those who typically vilify Christianity (yet seem to love islam [cuckold much?]) for being stupid/backwards/anti-science/superstitious end up being the atheistic type that believe everything is an accident while simultaneously believing in the religion of CAGW…wait… CACC…. wait… CACD….wait… Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Weirding?

yea. let’s talk about hypocrites. I’d wager 75% of you antagonists on this site are not religious, not spiritual, and resent those who have faith in something larger than themselves. Yet at the same time religiously cling to your belief in manmade climate change, always for the worst.
That is the definition of hypocrisy.

A hypocrite despises those whom he deceives, but has no respect for himself. He would make a dupe of himself too, if he could.
– William Hazlitt

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 9:09 am

Nothing funnier than a warmista whining about echo chambers.

Andy Ogilvie
Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 11:58 am

You don’t have to come here….just saying

Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 4:12 pm

Really Anthony?

You ignore all the accomplished scientists who have posted here and mention only two – that alone discredits your statements.

I was polite for about the first ten years of this discussion – lately I have little time or patience for trolls.

There is a point where replying in detail to their nonsensical one-liners is a waste of time and effort.

This is especially so since the deceitful and aggressive actions of the hockey team and other global warming conspirators have become fully known through the Climategate emails, etc.

Anyone who still believes that the leaders of the global warming alarmist conspiracy are just “innocent scientists with a different viewpoint” are delusional. The extremist and disgraceful conduct of the warmists says otherwise.

Reply to  Anthony Banton
September 13, 2018 4:51 pm

Anthony:

You caught me in a good mood – someday I’ll tell you how I really feel.

Here is another reason why I no longer have patience with green fanatics.

Green Leftist Extremists are the Great Killers of Our Age.

Green extremism started with the banning of DDT from ~1972 to ~2002. The ban on DDT effectively DOUBLED the number of deaths from malaria, more than half of whom were children age 4 and under, whose deaths peaked at almost 1 million per year – just babies, for Christ’s sake! Half of these deaths were easily preventable.

Add to this the numbers of deaths due to the great global warming scam and the “phony war” against increasing atmospheric CO2 and the total green death toll is in the tens of millions, similar to the number of needless deaths caused in the 20th Century by leftist icons Hitler, Stalin or Mao.

It is difficult to believe green extremists could be this stupid and destructive for this long. There is evidence in some of their public statements that these were deliberate crimes against humanity.

Conclusion:
Leftist Green extremists are the greatest killers of our age – rivaling the death tolls of the greatest psychopathic killers of the 20th Century.

They belong in jail – they’ll get to hell soon enough.

“Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:35 am

RyanS complaining about people being repetitive.
Now that thar is funny.

Peter Plail
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 13, 2018 1:36 am

Sadly there are plenty of people with scientific qualifications who blindly believe in global warming, and it would seem the higher their public profile the more their support for “the cause”. In the UK the late Stephen Hawking and Brian Cox spring immediately to mind.

RyanS
Reply to  Peter Plail
September 13, 2018 1:48 am

Spencer and Christie of a couple of guest posts back do too – Anthropogenic and all. Well they don’t “believe”, they know it as incontravertable fact. So sorry, but to claim otherwise puts you on the crank fringe – flat-earth territory.

Dennis Bird
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:44 am

Why are you here. Are you a bot?

RyanS
Reply to  Dennis Bird
September 13, 2018 3:47 am

Sorry are you a flat-earther? I beg your pardon..

Bsl
Reply to  Dennis Bird
September 13, 2018 4:23 am

RyanS is a bot even if he is flesh and blood.

MarkW
Reply to  Dennis Bird
September 13, 2018 6:39 am

Bot’s at least make an effort to appear intelligent.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:38 am

So the output of a model is automatically an “incontravertable fact”

By the way, since you made a point of highlighting a spelling error earlier, it’s spelled incontrovertible.

Hugs
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 9:57 am

I’m contrainvertebrate. A deinvertebrateable noderator is called for.

Latitude
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 7:00 am

– flat-earth territory……this is flat

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honest liberty
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2018 7:58 am

oh how I love reading the simple dismissals of such simple beings. It is so easy to dismiss the trolls, I’m pretty sure my 4 year old son could do it with a simple hand wave while watching Thomas. I used to come here in the comments to learn, now I just come here to watch these Malthusian warmists get bludgeoned with facts, allthewhile never realizing how religious they are.

I’m still waiting for the likes of Nick and Kristi to admit when they are incorrect, but I’ll avoid holding my breath on that one. The indoctrination is strong in those ones.

honest liberty
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 8:05 am

Ryan said:
Well they don’t “believe”, they know it as incontravertable fact. So sorry, but to claim otherwise puts you on the crank fringe – flat-earth territory.
and
Sorry are you a flat-earther? I beg your pardon..

Your childish Alinsky-ite tactics don’t work on intellectuals. Every time I see a post of yours that employs such pathetic fallacies I’m going to spoon feed you like the little child you are, to help you in your journey into intellectual adulthood.

:ad hominem:

“You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone’s case without actually having to engage with it.

Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn’t married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.”

In case you are so dense as to not understand the implications of your name-calling, let me help you. Associating the term “flat-earther” to anyone is a logical fallacy of ad hominem because you are making the assertion that anyone who questions you or the whatever you believe is the intellectual equivalent of someone who believes there is evidence the earth is flat. That is a boring personal attack that lacks any clever wit or effort. It is puerile.

Hugs
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:48 am

Spencer and Christie of a couple of guest posts back do too – Anthropogenic and all. Well they don’t “believe”, they know it as incontravertable fact.

I ‘know’ some ‘global warming’. Here near the Arctic there’s no denying we have had some local warming. Not that we’d beat the HCO yet, but clearly we beat the years of famine not very long, maybe 150 to 400 years ago.

What you believe? You believe very high sensitivity, you believe in models predicting global average. You, by the way, believe in a global average of the mean temperature, as if it made sense in the first place.

You believe in that a change is possible by an energy policy I don’t think makes the slightest good. You believe renewables are cheap. You believe America, despite not being great, must lead in your war.

You believe in fairies and tales. Yet you feel you can educate at a comment thread.

Your call.

Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:39 pm

RyanS lied when he wrote above:
“Spencer and Christie of a couple of guest posts back do too – Anthropogenic and all. Well they don’t “believe”, they know it as incontravertable fact. So sorry, but to claim otherwise puts you on the crank fringe – flat-earth territory.”

Dr Roy Spencer wrote here this week, in the last paragraph of his article:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/12/global-warming-skepticism-for-busy-people/
“The good news is that there is no global warming crisis, “

So Ryan, you lied – because by now you must know the truth on this point.

In scientific terms, you made a hypothesis, and ii has been falsified. 🙂

RyanS
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 13, 2018 5:08 pm

““The good news is that there is no global warming crisis,”

That is not what I said. Check it. Putting words in my mouth and calling me a lier, what does that make you?

Watts, Spencer, Christie et al all understand perfectly well the AGW is an incontravertable and uncontraversial fact.

Do you agree with them? A yes or no would suffice.

Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Your careful wording misrepresents the truth Ryan, and you know it.

Many scientists accept that increasing atmospheric CO2 will probably cause a small (and beneficial) amount of warming.

Your careful wording avoids the key question, the magnitude of climate sensitivity to CO2, which Spencer, Christy and Watts and I all say is low, such that there is no dangerous CO2-driven global warming crisis.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 13, 2018 6:48 pm

Allan, no scientist would state that any effect of CO2 is “beneficial.” If you think otherwise you don’t know what science is all about. Science does not bestow value judgements on the items it studies. It can’t. “Warming” cannot be determined to be good or bad with science. If you wish to talk about CO2 being “beneficial”, please go to a web site that discusses ethics, because science does not judge things as either “good” or “bad”.

Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 10:01 pm

Thank you Dave – here is scientific evidence that your opinion is false nonsense.

Scientifically, we know that the world is colder-than-optimum for humanity. Excess Winter Deaths total about 2 million per year worldwide. Excess Winter Deaths are significant even in warm countries.

Scientifically, there is ample evidence that climate sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 is far too low to cause anything more than mild global warming, which would be beneficial.

The essence of science is the ability to predict.

Scientifically, we know that every very-scary prediction by the global warming alarmists has failed to materialize, such that they have a perfectly negative predictive track record and thus negative credibility.

Editor
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 10:53 pm

Dave Burton

Allan, no scientist would state that any effect of CO2 is “beneficial.” If you think otherwise you don’t know what science is all about. Science does not bestow value judgements on the items it studies. It can’t. “Warming” cannot be determined to be good or bad with science. If you wish to talk about CO2 being “beneficial”, please go to a web site that discusses ethics, because science does not judge things as either “good” or “bad”.

I see you have been given the assigned trollgate for today.
Nonsense. The ENTIRE premise of the CAGW religion is that the POTENTIAL warming from the POTENTIAL future rise in CO2 is entirely harmful! The CAGW religoin does not permit the calculation of the benefits, nor the benefits of a slight warming.
And that entire argument relies on the deliberate ignorance of and the igoring of the BENEFITS to 7 billion people now living due to the energy abd processing of fossil fuels to feed, clothe, shelter, warm and water them and their animals and their childrens’ children.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 14, 2018 6:59 am

Well said Mr. Cook – thank you.

It appears that the warmist cult is now taking aim at wattsup and has recruited a squad of mindless drones to attack skeptics who post here.

I recall Richard Lindzen of MIT, when asked in an interview if he was a global warming skeptic – he replied with a slight smile, “I’m a denier”.

I also deny global warming alarmism, in that I deny that humanmade global warming will be large or dangerous – there is NO credible evidence that this is true, and ample credible evidence that it is false.

Global warming alarmism and anti-CO2 programs are not just scientific error, they are scientific fraud, and their proponents have scammed tens of trillions of dollars from society and have cost millions of lives. These warmist fraudsters belong in jail.

Allan MacRae, P.Eng.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 13, 2018 4:47 am

The problem here is that you are dealing with a religion. It’s really no different from trying to convince a creationist that there are far too many things in the universe which simply must be more than 6000 years (or whatever) old. The adherent will simply refuse to listen any data which contradicts their faith.

Wade
Reply to  Ian Macdonald
September 13, 2018 6:40 am

Not all creationists believe the earth is 6000 years old. And it is easy to disprove that the earth is 6000 years old by the very first words in the Bible: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” How long that was is never stated. After that, comes the 6 creative days. So the earth was already here before the 6 creative days began. And, what is more, even in English ‘day’ does not always mean 24 hours. People say “In my day …”, that doesn’t mean one day but a period of time.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Wade
September 13, 2018 6:53 am

If you can’t take it at its word, it’s meaningless.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 13, 2018 9:12 am

Parts of the Bible are allegorical, parts are historical.
It’s not hard to tell which are which if you read it with the intent of learning and understanding.

Hugs
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 10:03 am

Parts boring, parts wise, parts outrageous, and parts always purposefully misunderstood.

I let you decide which.

honest liberty
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 13, 2018 1:29 pm

Jeff makes a baseless claim from ignorance about meaning.

Jeff, just because you have defined value according to your whims does not negate the copious amounts of information in that political collection of books.

Especially considering the mostly unacknowledged gems of esoteric wisdom about the human condition, personal growth, best ways to treat other folks. Heck, I read a few places that the story of the stoning of the adulteress likely didn’t happen because it was recorded some 600 years later. Well, let’s say it isn’t true. The message is to treat others with compassion because no one is perfect.

Or the forgiving of the sinner on the cross (when someone who has wronged you recognizes it and is LEGITIMATELY sorrowful for those actions, it is best for all parties to find peace in the situation and forgiveness).

Or let’s visit one of the passages I’m sure you take umbrage. I’d wager good money you find this violent:

Matthew 10:33-35
33But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. 34Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law

now, someone who dwells amongst the profane, or the un-initiated, such as yourself, most likely looks at this as a direct call for violence. But see, you understand nothing of why Jesus spoke in parables. Those parables were for people like you, not initiated in the occulted knowledge so he needed to dumb it down and talk in methods simple folks relate. But you don’t understand the true intent, and it was this:

Jesus represents the holy matrimony of the sacred feminine (compassion, empathy, nurture, creation) and sacred masculine (force, strength, action, rigidity) aspect of each human, together known as the alchemical wedding (blade overlapped chalice) or the holy spirit – “as I think, so I feel, so I act”- thought, emotion, action in complete UNIson – the true undivided individual, which is alignment with godliness.

The figure of Christ represents the true moral objectivism, or Truth, in simpler terms. So when the figure of Jesus spoke as of himself, he was talking about aligning with the truth of the universe, and that simply, theft is always wrong. There is no justification, only righteous operation. And to be with God is to align oneself with the truth. If anyone should deny objective truth and unwavering morality (do not steal- which includes murder, violence, lying, rape, etc – all theft), then they have pitted themselves against truth which is god. The inevitable discomfort that arises from that conflict is unavoidable, and he came to lift humanity up to stop living in moral relativism, which will pit people against each other. It is unavoidable.

But most Christians don’t even accept that because they are profane, and haven’t the slightest understanding of the 7 hermetic principles of natural law or how that story has been recycled throughout history.

So your arrogant, dismissive, declarative statements are uttered as though from youth who has only the slightest understanding of the complexities of the world, and they carry no value other than to offend.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  honest liberty
September 13, 2018 6:43 pm

“Jeff makes a baseless claim from ignorance about meaning.”

No I didn’t.

If you have to interpret “holy” words, then they are worthless, since they can be interpreted many different ways, and used to gain advantage over others.

What’s the message in murdering tens, if not hundreds, of thousands simply because they inhabit the so-called “promised land”? That right after telling everyone “thou shalt not kill”?

I fully agree that the Bible contains a lot of wise words, but if you can’t acknowledge that it also contains a lot of nonsense and brutality in the name of god, then you have blinders on.

Edwin
Reply to  Wade
September 13, 2018 7:29 am

Wade, you make a great point that I have understood since I was a kid and could quote the Bible better than our minister. My understanding was reenforced when I took anthropology. The first book of the Bible is about a people’s leaders trying to explain to a population of illiterate people how the Earth and humans came to being. Imagine trying to explain the Big Bang or evolution was we know it today. Even if you could, imagine then trying to explain what happened before the Big Bang or how we went from the Big Bang to life on Earth, both basically unknowns at this time and even possible unknowable even into the distant future.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 13, 2018 6:50 am

”If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong.”

I don’t necessarily agree with that. Experiments can be, and often are, flawed. I would re-word that and say “If it doesn’t agree with observation, it’s wrong”

Edwin
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 13, 2018 7:31 am

Jeff, sometimes the observations are wrong due to the way they have been collected, recorded or maintained.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Edwin
September 13, 2018 6:44 pm

That’s true, Edwin. But I would say my version is more logical than the Feynman version, will all due respect to him.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 16, 2018 11:22 pm

Hi Jeff,

Richard Feynman said that in one of his videotaped lectures, cited above. Had he been writing, he might have phrased is differently. I generally do not argue with Feynman – “just because”.

Regards, Allan

from wiki:
“He assisted in the development of the atomic bomb during World War II and became known to a wide public in the 1980s as a member of the Rogers Commission, the panel that investigated the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. Along with his work in theoretical physics, Feynman has been credited with pioneering the field of quantum computing and introducing the concept of nanotechnology. He held the Richard C. Tolman professorship in theoretical physics at the California Institute of Technology.”

Wally
Reply to  R Shearer
September 13, 2018 3:34 pm

You mean?
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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Wally
September 14, 2018 9:08 am

Thank you, Trump voters!

The nation needs you again in November.

September 12, 2018 8:51 pm

When the Washington Post (WaPo) prints headlines like this:
“Trump ‘complicit’ in hurricane Florence”
Then
1. The WaPo is admitting their liberal core of readers are complete morons
2. If Trump is as powerful as Jesus (calm the seas) only Trump actually generates Cat-4 Hurricanes, then how can the WaPo say that they can take out Trump?

Oh yeah! Rule number 1 applies!
LoL!

Kenji
Reply to  Newt Love
September 12, 2018 9:40 pm

Actually the WAPO is being quite consistent. If Obama was able to calm the seas … just by getting elected, then of course the corollary is true for Trump. Trump will make the seas rise (another 3mm size ball bearing), and Al Gore’s long-ago predicted increased hurricane activity will swallow up humanity. Burn Trump! He’s a witch!

Louis Hunt
Reply to  Kenji
September 13, 2018 1:23 pm

Trump has to be a witch. US CO2 emissions have decreased since he became President, which means the only way he could have caused hurricane Florence is though the use of witchcraft.

Bryan A
Reply to  Newt Love
September 12, 2018 9:43 pm

Didn’t all the current Atlantic Heat Quotient get imparted into the ocean due to Obama Era decisions and policies? Doesn’t it take numerous years to increase Ocean Heat Content?

Reply to  Bryan A
September 12, 2018 11:36 pm

True, but Donald Trump has more energy than Obama. 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 6:41 am

On the other hand, Obama appears to be wound a lot tighter.

John Endicott
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Mr. Trump is the healthiest most energetic individual ever elected to the presidency 😉

DD More
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 8:19 pm

Washington Post (WaPo) prints headlines like this: “Trump ‘complicit’ in hurricane Florence”.
Since DJT appears to control hurricanes, even without the “Rove Weather Machine “, when are they going to thank him for knocking it down from a 4 to a 2 before it made landfall?

LdB
Reply to  Newt Love
September 12, 2018 11:26 pm

The Washington Posts and every leftists green loon on the planet is equally as guilty unless they are not exhaling CO2. We could ask what are they willing to do for the planet now hold you breathe and do it for the planet .. 🙂

Mark Hansford
Reply to  Newt Love
September 13, 2018 3:02 am

The arrogance of alarmists is incredible – have they not watched the video of Florence from satellite, and they honestly think that man’s puny % of CO2 in the atmosphere has any effect on that colossal storm system (which by the way has been present every summer since man kept records). Neither an increase in number nor an increase in strength – in fact the opposite.

One big storm comes along….cyclical weather blocks its passage and it swings in towards the shore rather than away …….and this is caused by one man who is presiding over a continuation of decreasing CO2 output while the rest of the developing world carries on increasing it. It defies any logical thinking whatsoever

RyanS
Reply to  Mark Hansford
September 13, 2018 3:48 am

Don’t listen to Eric.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:42 am

Warmist mantra.
Ignore what you can’t refute.
Which is everything.

honest liberty
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 8:21 am

RyanS:
every one of your posts I find (that are similarly baseless in content) will now be provided an external link, as wiki does, so that folks are informed as to your true operations:

https://www.straight.com/news/482846/government-trolls-use-psychology-based-influence-techniques-social-media

Hugs
Reply to  honest liberty
September 13, 2018 10:10 am

Wow.

John Endicott
Reply to  honest liberty
September 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Applause

Louis Hunt
Reply to  Mark Hansford
September 13, 2018 1:29 pm

True. CO2 emissions were higher under Obama than they are currently under Trump. But the media won’t blame Obama for the hurricane because of Trump derangement syndrome. Asia and Europe are still increasing their emissions. But they won’t get any blame because… Trump.

Rich Wright
September 12, 2018 8:58 pm

When Columbus discovered the “new world,” he encountered hurricanes. When the American colonies were established, the colonists encountered hurricanes. One of them, in 1752, destroyed the coastal city of Charleston. This week, another hurricane is meandering in the general area of Charleston.

The editorial board of the Washington Post has gone mad. Who do they think was complicit in the hurricanes that Columbus encountered? With the early hurricane that struck Charleston?

If hurricanes were “normal” when Europeans first arrived in North America, it follows that the natural forces that created them were not influenced by modern civilization.

Man-made global warming is theorized to have begun impacting the climate around the year 1950.

As hurricanes continue to appear from time to time, much as they did during earlier times, it is totally illogical to assert that man-made global warming causes hurricanes.

To propose that a particular storm, in a particular year, was caused by a particular individual, is simply madness.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Wright
September 12, 2018 9:46 pm

And the worst hurricane evah, the great hurricane of 1780 that passed through the Antilles between October 10 – 16 scrubbing islands clear and killing as many as 24,000

Tweak
Reply to  Rich Wright
September 13, 2018 12:29 am

Don’t forget Tristan de Luna, consumate idiot. Parked his flotilla in Pensacola Bay and neglected to have them offloaded before he took off chasing for Indian gold. Hurricane took out his ships and supplies. They are still finding bits and pieces of his fleet. One of the more recent finds was after Ivan -2004 unearthed part of one of his ships.

jmorpuss
Reply to  Rich Wright
September 13, 2018 3:03 am

“Man-made global warming is theorised to have begun impacting the climate around the year 1950.”

Around the same time TV went mainstream .
Getting started
“Until the fall of 1948, regularly scheduled programming on the four networks—the American Broadcasting Company (ABC), the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS; later CBS Corporation), the National Broadcasting Co. (NBC), and the DuMont Television Network, which folded in 1955—was scarce. On some evenings, a network might not offer any programs at all, and it was rare for any network to broadcast a full complement of shows during the entire period that became known as prime time (8–11 PM, Eastern Standard Time). Sales of television sets were low, so, even if programs had been available, their potential audience was limited. To encourage sales, daytime sports broadcasts were scheduled on weekends in an effort to lure heads of households to purchase sets they saw demonstrated in local appliance stores and taverns—the venues where most TV viewing in America took place before 1948.”
https://www.britannica.com/art/television-in-the-United-States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_television_broadcast_stations
http://broadcasting.wikia.com/wiki/Effective_radiated_power

“The first broadcast was on September 6, 1952 from its Montreal station CBFT. The premiere broadcast was bilingual, spoken in English and French. Two days later, on September 8, 1952, the Toronto station CBLT went on the air.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television

“Sometimes, weapons and other projects pushed by the urgency of war have been converted into civilian technology. Such is the case of nuclear power plants, the internet, but also radar tech, which inexpectedly and inadvertently led to the invention of the microwave oven — one of the most widely used home appliance in the world.”
https://www.zmescience.com/science/physics/microwave-oven-from-ww2/

http://broadcast.homestead.com/BroadcastTheory.html

MarkW
Reply to  jmorpuss
September 13, 2018 6:43 am

If they have to “theorize” when CO2 started impacting the climate, it’s obvious that they haven’t been able to actually measure it.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Rich Wright
September 13, 2018 6:35 am

Yeah but it makes for great headlines. Especially when they know their deluded “fan base” will gobble it up like thirsty dogs.

Simon
September 12, 2018 8:59 pm

“It is difficult to think of a claim more ridiculous ”
What is ridiculous about it? I think claiming “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive,” is easily more ridiculous. And who said that? Oh wait it was that expert on climate change, private bone spur.

Reply to  Simon
September 12, 2018 9:47 pm

Simon,

You obviously loved the koolaid. You Drank too much in 2008 when your Messiah said,

“this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal…” after he secured the Dimocrat nomination for President.

So many people with agendas rode that wave, and the expensive wind and solar energy scam behind it, for 8 years. Time to return to reality. Take some Xanax or a crawl into bottle. You’ll be okay.

8 years of Obama climate koolaid, and now you can’t deal with the hangover.

Climate change alarmism is a fraud. It really is that simple.

Simon
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 12, 2018 11:19 pm

I wouldn’t say Obama was a messiah, but he knows a whole lot more about the science of climate change than comrade Trump. Mind you my 4 year old grand daughter knows a whole lot more than dirty Don.

Wallaby Geoff
Reply to  Simon
September 12, 2018 11:44 pm

Well, for someone who knows nothing about it, he is one of the few world leaders making the correct decisions. Others know the truth too, they just don’t have the political guts to call it out for what it is – an expensive mistake.

Simon
Reply to  Wallaby Geoff
September 13, 2018 12:27 am

“Well, for someone who knows nothing about it, he is one of the few world leaders making the correct decisions”
Time will tell….

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:46 am

Time has already told.

Sheri
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 9:06 am

Not to the true believers. If it doesn’t get hotter, they will create the events and push that. Nothing cures true faith.

Simon
Reply to  Wallaby Geoff
September 13, 2018 12:29 am

And I doubt Trump will be remembered for his views/decisions on CC. I think the list of bungles, lies and downright dumb decisions will frame how history remembers him.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 12:47 am

You doubted he could get elected … too stupid to see it and too stupid to spout judgement

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:46 am

The best economy in decades, following the economic disaster that Obama created.
History won’t be kind to your messiah.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 11:49 am

BO pulled the country out of a recession. The liar in chief has ridden on those coat tails. Let’s see if it carries on.

John Endicott
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 12:07 pm

The pulling out of the recession started under his predecessor, GW Bush. Hey If Obama can take credit for what happened under the Don, than Bush should get any credit that you wish to bestow upon OBummer. It would be hypocrisy otherwise.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 1:23 pm

“BO pulled the country out of a recession.”

BO hampered the recovery with his policies of imposing new regulations and tax increases and restrictive energy policies.

He did nothing to pull the nation out of recession. The bank bailout was already in motion before he took office and the shovel-ready jobs bill money went to the unions and created very few jobs.

Everything Obama did harmed the U.S. economy.

A president has a limited number of ways to help an economy. He can cut taxes; he can reduce regulations; he can formulate an energy policy that provides cheap energy to citizens; and he can make trade agreements with other nations.

President Obama didn’t do any of the above. President Trump did all of the above. Obama’s economy was barely limping along. Trump’s economy is booming.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:48 pm

“BO pulled the country out of a recession. The liar in chief has ridden on those coat tails. Let’s see if it carries on.”

Funny. The MSM is going on and on how Trump’s tax plan is causing the deficit to “balloon” out of control by 1 trillion by 2020 or some such. Yet under Obama, it ballooned by 8 to 10 trillion.

Thomas Englert
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 8:59 pm

The recession began after democrats took over the economy in 2007. It was caused by their policies dating back to Clinton’s first term.

The recovery would have naturally occurred if the presidency were vacant, and at a much faster rate.

As it turned out, it was the slowest and weakest recovery in US history. Thats Obama’s legacy, his “transformation” of America to second rate status.

We have a real president now, so the socialist ambitions of the Obamas goes into the ash-heap of history.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 12:45 am

Thats a laugh Obama is a a science illiterate … Trumps own golf courses and beachfront hotels so understanding weather was part of his job …

Chris
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 1:33 am

“Trumps own golf courses and beachfront hotels so understanding weather was part of his job …”

Ouch, that post hurts. You’re comparing the kind of simplistic review a property developer would do on climate to climate science?

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 6:47 am

You are right. Climate science is that bad.

Chris
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 9:28 am

So clever, MarkW, I bet you patted yourself on the back after that one.

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 9:41 am

It was clever enough that it made you respond.

Sheri
Reply to  honest liberty
September 13, 2018 9:08 am

Marketing. Since the science fails, bring in marketing. Works for “As seen on TV” products and we all know how bad those are.

RyanS
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 1:43 am

How can you argue with that? I wonder how his results compare with other leading climate experts.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:47 am

So far, he’s been doing a lot better than the official climatistas.

Chris
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 9:30 am

How is he doing better than climatologists?

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 9:42 am

He hasn’t had every prediction he’s made go bad.

Simon
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 11:51 am
D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:07 pm

You should read to the end of the articles you link. This is a re-application to build the walls and it’s to prevent storm erosion. It does NOT mention climate change, unlike the first application which was withdrawn.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 3:25 am

Simon, by any evidence we have seen, any random 4 year old has a whole lot more common sense than you.

Simon
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 13, 2018 11:53 am

Brilliant. Did your grand daughter help yo with that one.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 4:43 am

I disagree! Obama is a lawyer, they know how to lie convincingly! Wasn’t one William Jefferson Clinton also a lawyer, & he always told the truth & never would he lie on national tv to his people!

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:45 am

Once again the warmista defines knowledge as what it has been trained to believe.

Sheri
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 9:05 am

Simon: Because you give her the koolaid, too, right???

Chris
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 12:41 am

joel – messiah, agenda, koolaid, scam, alarmism and fraud. I’d give you a gold star, but you forgot to include Marxism and Agenda21. Step up your game!

honest liberty
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 8:24 am
Chris
Reply to  honest liberty
September 13, 2018 9:34 am

Another post from fact-free honesty liberty – which, by the way, is one of the most idiotic id’s of all time. But you wear it with pride!

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 9:43 am

Chris really is in a bad mood today. Must be tiring being wrong all the time.

Editor
Reply to  Chris
September 13, 2018 12:48 pm
honest liberty
Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 14, 2018 8:17 am

Sunset, keep it up. every time these knuckle dragging troglodytes post insipid retorts, just paste that. Similar to how Wikipedia feels necessary to label this site and Anthony a “climate denier”. I still wonder why he hasn’t pursued a court action against them for libel and slander, which that most certainly is.

Also, Chris, Mosher, Simon, Klipstein, RyanS, and a few other losers only know how to toss out pithy remarks and empty clichés. They don’t have the mental capacity to engage discourse of complex terms, so they just throw tantrums like little children. It is so disappointing to witness our species ability to sink to such depths.

RyanS
Reply to  honest liberty
September 14, 2018 8:36 pm

Dude, you’re embarrasing yourself. I don’t need any help.

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  Simon
September 12, 2018 10:28 pm

Actually, Simon, that statement isn’t that far off base. Obviously, the Chinese didn’t invent the AGW scam, but they HAVE benefited from it. The odious regulations that have been passed in the name of AGW made it harder for US manufacturers to compete, and left Chinese mfrs free to compete without said regulations.

RyanS
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
September 12, 2018 10:42 pm

“Actually, Simon, that statement isn’t that far off base.”

Not a good idea to double-down on kookiness. Makes you look um a bit kooky.

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 10:44 pm

Perhaps you could elaborate …

RyanS
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
September 12, 2018 11:07 pm

You think it is some leftist plot, the science says otherwise.

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:17 pm

Science .. shience!

I made a rather unremarkable observation that China has benefited from regulations imposed on US manufacturers that China didn’t have to comply with, giving them a competitive edge.

I said nothing about a “leftist plot!” China didn’t create the situation, they merely benefited from it. Conspiracy theory much?

And please, how does “science say otherwise?”

RyanS
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
September 12, 2018 11:27 pm

TPG, I withdraw the “leftist plot barb”, my incorrect assumption (although the majority here seem have that idea).

The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report stated: Equilibrium climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5 °C to 4.5 °C (high confidence), extremely unlikely less than 1 °C (high confidence), and very unlikely greater than 6 °C (medium confidence).

If that is right you’ve more to worry about than the Chinese.

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:35 pm

You probably should have stopped at “my incorrect assumption.” The rest of your post is wildly off-topic, irrelevant, and patently absurd.

RyanS
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
September 12, 2018 11:45 pm

Whatever you say.

ironargonaut
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:42 pm

Yet the models based on likely range are way high making that unlikely (high confidence). And that the majority have that idea unlikely (high confidence). Hey if they can just make up confidence tags why can’t I?

HotScot
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:10 am

RyanS

Meanwhile, back in the real world, observed temperatures are dribbling along the lowest extreme of the IPCC ‘computer model’ predictions. Continue the way they’re going and they’ll drop below, and out of, even the IPCC’s lowest ‘computer model’ predictions.

RyanS
Reply to  HotScot
September 13, 2018 1:16 am

Uh huh.

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RyanS
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 1:26 am

Graph is from Nuccitelli et al 2012 Total Heat Content

HotScot
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 5:10 am

RyanS

Too bad Argo floats show cooling.

sonofametman
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 5:21 am

A little perspective might help.
Unless my arithmetic is flawed, the heat capacity of the oceans is of the order of 5.3 x 10^24 J/K. That makes 20 x 10^22 J about 0.04% of the heat required to raise the temperature of the oceans as a whole by 1K.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:52 am

Ryan actually believes that a hundred or so probes, most of which have a resolution of 0.2C or less, are able to measure the temperature of the ocean to less than 0.02C.

BTW, that chart stops at the height of the recent El Nino.
Nothing like hiding your dishonesty.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:19 am

RyanS: Great move. You have to add in ocean temperatures to make a scary graph. Land is doing zip and that is just not scary. Next there will be graphics of scary clouds, representing the climate gods and their anger.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:50 am

The IPCC is not science

RyanS
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 1:13 am

Yes it is.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:54 am

My Gods have spoken. Thou must not question the words of the sacred document.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:21 am

The IPCC is 100% politics. There is NO science. They put that science garbage in to make people think they are something besides a new UN determined to kill capitalism and redistribute wealth. Nothing they do has anything to do with science whatsoever.

MarkW
Reply to  Sheri
September 13, 2018 11:50 am

I like the way they write the executive summary first, then instruct the editors of the various chapters to write their sections to match it.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 6:42 am

The Intergovernmental Propaganda on Climate Control. Much more accurate description.

Rich Davis
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:32 am

Quoting the ipcc ar5 as “science”? Ha ha ha

ECS is at most 1.2C
Too bored of you to quote references on that

RyanS
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 13, 2018 3:52 am

“at most 1.2C”

No its not.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:51 am

The models say what they are programmed to say.
Using real world data, ECS is estimated to be under 1C, probably well under.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:17 am

RyanS: Sad you can’t tell the difference between REAL humans and their weapons and computer simulations. Do you have a 4 year teaching you this, too, like Simon?

MarkW
Reply to  TeaPartyGeezer
September 13, 2018 6:49 am

Don’t expect Ryan to make sense. He isn’t paid to make sense.

Dave Dodd
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:40 pm

What “science”? Please elaborate! The quoted WaPo witch hunt article just stated Hurricane Florence was all President Donald Trump’s fault! Which is it? Witches or “science”?

RyanS
Reply to  Dave Dodd
September 12, 2018 11:44 pm

Can you quote what they actually wrote?

Dave Dodd
Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:57 pm

“Yet when it comes to extreme weather, Mr. Trump is complicit. ”

Yup!

I’m still waiting for your elaboration of the”science” you spoke of!

RyanS
Reply to  Dave Dodd
September 13, 2018 1:19 am

Mr. Trump is complicit Vs “Just stated Hurricane Florence was all President Donald Trump’s fault”

Do you understand the difference?

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:22 am

I did elsewhere. I doubt you bothered to find it.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:49 am

The fake altered data science ? That science ?

RyanS
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 1:21 am

You’re waving your arms. How do you know its fake?

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:55 am

It contradicts reality.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:27 am

By looking at the dishonest adjustments, the lies built into the model AND that only politics and marketing can sell the so-called science. As you warmists are fond of pointing out—no one has no market the idea that the earth is not flat or that gravity exists. Those are REAL demonstrable things. Since climate change is just statistical maneuvering and scary graphs, plus a tiny piece of physics that makes it sound “legitimate” (not), you cannot in any way prove it, thus marketing and politics. Global warming was sold by AL GORE, a politician. Hansen would have failed 100% on his own. The fake science needs an activist willing to lie for the cause (yes, that includes activists Hansen and Mann, neither of which are scientists now). It fails without one.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:49 am

Models aren’t science.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 9:16 am

Ryan S: The politicized, sanitized science preached by the true believers, yes. Real science, no.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:48 am

You triple down on AGW so you would know I guess

RyanS
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 13, 2018 1:24 am

Anthony Watts, Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. John Christy all agree AGW is real… but you don’t.

Mark Hansford
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:36 am

Nobody is denying that the atmosphere and the seas have been warming, the heat content of the oceans would therefore presently be increasing, noone denies that – so you produce a rather ridiculously scaled graph to back up your statement….as if it is needed, and it is merely a pictorial statement of the increase in temperature.

How or why it is presently heating or whether it will continue is very open to debate and I would think the three experts you quote would struggle to identify with the A at the start of AGW. With the billions of humans on the planet all going about their daily business altering their direct environment to suit their needs it would be idiotic to think that to some extent humans don’t have some effect on global climate. What this effect is and how much it influences temperature is very open to debate and very much the reason I lurk around this site along with 100,000s of others.

On top of all this you are under the misapprehension that the IPCC is a scientific body – I would beg to differ, it isnt – it is there to collate information and disseminate its conclusions to governments around the world – it is another producer of conjecture – and (ab)uses conjecture model results as the basis for its findings, the IPCC itself doesnt do science (IMO – just in case!!)

You should take a leaf out of Simon’s book above where he says ‘time will tell’ – the only coherently accurate statement of the future in this latest stream of comments and leave it at that. ‘Nobody knows’ would be equally good

Rich Davis
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:40 am

It isn’t a question of real, it’s a question of significance. Almost every poster here agrees with that statement.

If ECS is 1.2C, the significance is that the AGW will be beneficial.

BAGW not CAGW!

RyanS
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 13, 2018 3:50 am

Thank you so much for ‘splaining this for me.

Derg
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 4:25 am

Ryan, can you tell us which of the IPCC models we can use to go back in time to show the medieval warm period, the little ice age, the Cool 70s and the period recently with little change in temperature.

Show us that model and I will believe the IPCC has the science right.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2018 6:58 am

The models don’t show them, therefore they didn’t happen.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:58 am

No doubt you will have to have it explained to you a few dozen more times before it finally sticks.

Joel Snider
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:29 pm

‘Thank you so much for ‘splaining this for me.’
The utter conceit of that comment alone earns you this award, Ryan.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:57 am

They agree that the warming is real. The “A” portion has not been proven.

honest liberty
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 8:28 am

Ryan is not consistent.. imagine that! He doesn’t realize he needs to use the term Anthropogenic CLIMATE CHANGE, you know, since the pause lasted some 20 years, save for the last NiNo.

oh boy.. some kiddies need to stop eating so much candy and stop drinking so much Koolaide. not good for the brain

Joel Snider
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:27 pm

‘Anthony Watts, Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. John Christy all agree AGW is real… but you don’t.’

Boy, you can’t speak an honest sentence, can you?

Ryan Scepsi
Reply to  Kaiser Derden
September 14, 2018 8:42 pm

Why is that dishonest?

Rich Davis
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:28 am

Why then do you keep doing that?

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:49 am

You can always tell when a warmista has run out of arguments. They start declaring that anyone who disagrees with them is a kook, or it’s all a conspiracy.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 12:50 pm

AND once again announcing who they are by what they accuse you of.
It’s the exception to the rule that every rule has an exception.

John Endicott
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:11 pm

“Not a good idea to double-down on kookiness. Makes you look um a bit kooky”

You should take your own advice there RyanS.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 6:44 am

Please tell me how much a SST increase of 0.02C will increase the wind speeds of a hurricane.

honest liberty
Reply to  Simon
September 13, 2018 8:23 am
September 12, 2018 9:05 pm

The knee jerk attribution of bad weather to climate change and by inference to a failure to take climate action looks more like superstition driven confirmation bias than science. Us humans have that built in bug in our brain put there by our Darwinian origins.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/08/03/the-sorcery-killings-of-melanesia/

DMA
Reply to  Chaamjamal
September 12, 2018 9:35 pm

Chaamjamal
Thanks for all your good work. I recently used one of your articles for a letter to the editor here in Bozeman Montana. They have refused to print several others that were trying to make the same point. We’ll see how this one goes:
I recently saw an analysis of the effect of uncertainty in atmospheric CO2 flux , (https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/05/31/the-carbon-cycle-measurement-problem/), that confirms the the work of Professor Salby, Professor Harde and Dr. Barry showing that human emissions have little effect on the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. I thought of a reasonable example to illustrate this point.
Suppose you have a very accurate gauging station on the Gallatin and another accurate gauge on Haylite Creek. You note that the increase in Haylite flow exceeds that for the Gallatin. Without knowing the other inflows and outflows you cannot assert that all of the increase in the Gallatin came from Haylite . Changes in Cottonwood Creek and Taylor Fork and all the others as well as the canal take outs make that assertion impossible. It is only valid to say the Haylite flow increase was larger than Gallatin increase. Even if the Gallatin flow had been nearly constant each year for the whole record and showed a small percent increase in the same years as Haylite’s increase you cannot conclude the increase was due only to the one well measured stream.
The comparison with CO2 is obvious: We have good data showing fossil fuel emissions are larger than atmospheric increase but huge uncertainties in other much larger sources and all sinks. The referenced analysis concludes “ Therefore, the IPCC carbon cycle balance does not contain useful information that may be used to ascertain the impact of fossil fuel emissions on the carbon cycle or on the climate system.”
In my words, the human addition to CO2 is lost in the natural CO2 cycle noise and its effect on global temperature is undetectable. The IPCC’s contention that all recent increases are human caused is indefensible. Reducing human emissions is all pain no gain.

September 12, 2018 9:06 pm

Climate change is the Left’s pagan religion.
To expect them to see their own illogic defies rationality.

This situation is exactly what Michael Crichton wrote about as why politicized science is so dangerous. It gets co-opted by those with a political agenda to rationalize anything they see necessary — from eugenics forced sterilizations to death camps to hyper expensive electricity to bring about socialism.

And Donald J Trump is standing in their way on their march to One World Socialism. So of course they accuse him of being responsible for every bad thing that can happen.

bonbon
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 6:50 am

Pagan religion yes, but actually Prince Philip’s ARC (Alliance for Religion and Conservation). Have a look at this : http://www.arcworld.org/
That’s why Dr. Schellnhuber was dubbed with a CBE by Her Highness personally.

John Endicott
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Joel, that’s very insulting…… to pagan religions.

Leon Brozyna
September 12, 2018 9:07 pm

Is this what comes of doing an internship at Mad magazine as a stepping stone to becoming a journalist? Praise be to Buddha for the internet; at least there we can find some news … eventually … that’s not too slanted.

El Duchy
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
September 12, 2018 9:33 pm

Actually Mad Magazine was far more accurate and prescient that modern ‘Fake News’ media.

John Endicott
Reply to  El Duchy
September 13, 2018 12:18 pm

Indeed, satire depends on having a grain of truth to riff on. modern “fake news” requires no such grain of truth.

DJ Meredith
September 12, 2018 9:08 pm

If the Washington Post brought it up, they must be the witches….

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  DJ Meredith
September 12, 2018 9:34 pm

nah they are the three girls running around flapping their arms acting like they are possessed.
Simon on the other hand is running about flapping his arms Shrieking and is possessed.
maybe an exorcism is in order

michael

Lizzie
September 12, 2018 9:44 pm

How many WaPo reporters are irritated tonight they have to rewrite headlines now that Florence downgraded to Cat 2?

manalive
Reply to  Lizzie
September 12, 2018 10:40 pm

TRUMP COMMANDS HURRICAN FLORENCE TO WEAKEN

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lizzie
September 13, 2018 1:37 pm

I’m betting just about all the leftwing reporters are disappointed that they couldn’t use the word “unprecedented” to describe Hurricane Florence. There goes their CAGW talking point!

ren
September 12, 2018 10:00 pm

Florence moves north and weakens.

Reply to  ren
September 12, 2018 10:40 pm

Or is that south?

Mark Hansford
Reply to  ren
September 13, 2018 3:46 am

as of 0500EDT Cat 2

Greg Cavanagh
September 12, 2018 10:13 pm

Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

RyanS
September 12, 2018 10:38 pm

“Washington Post is accusing President Trump of causing warm weather and hurricanes..”

Oh stop it Eric, lying that is.

RyanS
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 12, 2018 11:51 pm

In this context: ” He plays down humans’ role in increasing the risks, and he continues to dismantle efforts to address those risks. It is hard to attribute any single weather event to climate change.

It is at best a deliberate exaggeration to say they are accusing Trump of “causing…huricanes”. But you keep barracking for him, maybe the Chinese thing is true.

Tweak
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:35 am

Humans are very much the cause. Build in a potential flood zone and eventually you will get a flood.

Kaiser Derden
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 12:53 am

Look up the word implicit

Rich Davis
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 3:44 am

It is hard, but that never stops you and your ilk now does it?

bonbon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 13, 2018 6:54 am

OMG! That’s 20 counts Mueller can charge just about anyone with.

Reply to  RyanS
September 12, 2018 11:46 pm

The WaPo editorial staff and reporters are losing their shit.
They need professional psychiatric care. Really.
After 19 months of TDS, their chronic derangement is showing its effects on their judgement. If Jeff Bezos had any sense, he would demand they get counseling as a condition for continued employment at WaPo.
WaPo editorial staff has lost all perspective when they assign a human (any human) as complicit in a weather phenomenon.
Rebutt that if you can RyanS.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 12:10 am

Hi, joelobryan onteresting evening. Hmm don’t know if WaPo folk need psychiatric care, maybe just get out of the office go down and get close to the hurricane to see what it is like.

Ahem now this I have a bone to pick with you,, “weather phenomenon” . It is not a phenomenon by any stretch of the imagination, simply business as usual 🙂

michael

bonbon
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 6:56 am

Tax is a better therapy for Bezos.

Sheri
Reply to  RyanS
September 13, 2018 6:30 am
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
September 12, 2018 10:48 pm

Here is an answer to media outbursts:

S. Jeevananda Reddy, “Role of Climate Change on Recent Weather Disasters”, Acta Scientific Agricilture 2.4(2018): 22-29

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

ren
September 12, 2018 11:03 pm

Florence is still around 400 km from North Carolina.
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It is now category II. The pressure in the eye increases.

Reply to  ren
September 12, 2018 11:40 pm

The wind shear the models did not foresee ripped the south eye wall storms off to the northeast.

Upper level wind shear is a tropical storm’s kryptonite. It kills it, like Superman.

ren
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 12:53 am

Hurricanes in the Atlantic are broken by a jet stream.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=atl&product=wv-mid

John Endicott
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 13, 2018 12:25 pm

“Upper level wind shear is a tropical storm’s kryptonite. It kills it, like Superman.”

Off topic observation: kryptonite has never killed Superman (A monster named Doomsday did, but no kryptonite was involved in his killing. Superman got better as Monty Python says). While it theoretically could kill him, in actual observation, thus far, it’s only ever weakened him for brief periods of time. He always manages to get away before suffering a fatal dose.

ETA: to be even more pedantic, only *green* kryptonite has the ability to kill Superman. There are other colors (Red, Blue, Gold, etc) with other affects.

Tweak
Reply to  ren
September 13, 2018 12:39 am

Saw on the wheezer channel that they were putting 18 crews out to greet Florence. I am reminded of the law of large numbers. If there is a non-zero probably of something happening, the more often you test for the condition, the more likely it is that you WILL find it… (eventually). When that happens, we will be barraged with wall to wall coverage of how dedicated the dead reporters were.

ren
Reply to  Tweak
September 13, 2018 1:37 am

The current position of Hurricane Florence.
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David Murray
Reply to  ren
September 13, 2018 2:05 am

Which way is it heading?

ren
Reply to  David Murray
September 13, 2018 2:40 am

Northwest.

ren
Reply to  David Murray
September 13, 2018 5:30 am

The North Carolina coast is already within reach of a hurricane. Florence maintains the direction of NW.
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ren
Reply to  David Murray
September 13, 2018 8:01 am

Florence is weakening.
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ren
Reply to  David Murray
September 13, 2018 12:02 pm

LOCATION…33.6N 76.0W
ABOUT 110 MI…180 KM ESE OF WILMINGTON NORTH CAROLINA
ABOUT 165 MI…270 KM E OF MYRTLE BEACH SOUTH CAROLINA

AGW is not Science
Reply to  ren
September 13, 2018 8:01 am

I can guarantee you that if Florence doesn’t live up to the hype, the story will be about how “it could have been much worse” and how “lucky” we were that it wasn’t (because, you know, “climate change”). AND, they’ll be a million excuses for why the “warm water” that supposedly provides the “fuel” for hurricanes took the “gas” out of this one (pun intended).

IOW, they’ll suddenly discover that “wind shear” thing, but they’ll conveniently leave out the part about if there’s no wind shear (and the storm is much worse), it’s “climate change,” but if there is wind shear (and the storm doesn’t live up to the hype), well that’s just “weather.”

So if bad storms don’t happen, then we just got “lucky,” but if a bad storm(s) happen, it’s “climate change,” not “bad luck,” and it’s all our fault. Got it?

Amber
September 13, 2018 12:17 am

Following the Washington Post logic they have been complicit in climate change by killing millions of trees to produce a product that doesn’t last one day .
Who was complicit in producing the last billion or so years worth of hurricanes. Yep mother nature the very same natural variable that do it now .

I would like to know how many Washington Post “journalists ” have been fed leaks by FBI , CIA , and
DOJ cry babies trying to commit treason against the President ?

So will the next President be responsible for future Hurricanes or will a socialist agenda and tax
be their get out jail card .
Could it be that the Washington Post and New York Times have become so addicted to free leaker trash that Trump threatens their business model .

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Amber
September 13, 2018 4:35 pm

“I would like to know how many Washington Post “journalists ” have been fed leaks by FBI , CIA , and DOJ cry babies trying to commit treason against the President?”

Probably all of them.

Reporters, a lot of them, were also paid by the government for their assistance. We haven’t heard much about this story yet. I don’t think that will continue forever.

It looks like the reporters and the Obama administration were on the same team and colluded on news stories.

September 13, 2018 12:29 am

The Post are onto something.

There is a proven correlation between burning witches and bad weather. Hence proving that if you burn enough witches the climate improves.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
September 13, 2018 12:40 am

Scottish Sceptic,, Burning them? BURNING THEM! What is wrong with you man,,. All that extra needless CO2! Best to just attach them to the blades of some wind Turbines. At any rate it will give the birds something soft to bump against.

michael

bonbon
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
September 13, 2018 6:59 am

Both witches, and morlocks, were dunked, to save firewood. Monty Python showed how.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
September 13, 2018 8:05 am

You just made me think of a great analogy – the belief that CO2 “drives” temperature increase is akin to believing that TODAY’s neo-nazis caused Hitler’s rise to power.

September 13, 2018 12:44 am

And there’s a very ancient process used in academia to determine witches:

https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 13, 2018 12:53 am

Why don’t they just cut to the chase – President Trump is obviously responsible for the Sun coming up every day and causing unnecessary global warming (do these people ever get up early enough to notice the temperature change dawn brings?) and every other bad thing that ever happens, anywhere, anytime and that includes the past. I don’t doubt he was personally at fault for the collapse of the Roman Empire, the Black Death and the Napoleonic wars.

This is already the preferred news style of the BBC and Gruaniad in the U.K. and the WPO is merely racing them to the bottom of the sewer. The Trump hysteria on the BBC however is a truly astonishing spectacle that makes me worry about the sanity, or perhaps sobriety, of its editorial staff.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 13, 2018 1:01 am

Oh, I forgot the plagues of Egypt in my list…

Editor
September 13, 2018 2:22 am
Derg
September 13, 2018 2:25 am

As each day goes by with Trump we learn the depths at which these nuts will go to get back into power from the news media, DOJ, FBI, CIA, people in his own administration and now Google…it’s absolutely crazy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2018 4:46 pm

There’s a lot of Swamp to drain.

ralfellis
September 13, 2018 2:56 am

Is it me, or are we getting more and more of these one-line chit-chat posts, that add nothing to the debate and clog up the threads..? Climate alarmists do this on purpose, to ruin arguments and devalue threads. I saw one thread on another site with 500 posts of ‘yes I did’ ‘no you didnt’, just to break the discussion.

Can people put a bit more thought into their posts, instead of retorting with inane nonsense…?

R

Reply to  ralfellis
September 13, 2018 4:18 am

Sheri
Reply to  David Middleton
September 13, 2018 6:23 am

It’s like reading troll comments on the news blogs, only they are “real”.

MarkW
Reply to  Sheri
September 13, 2018 7:03 am

You don’t have to go to news blogs to find troll comments. We got plenty of them here.

Sheri
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 9:38 am

MarkW: Trust me, these are the amateurs. There is no trolling here that even comes close to the stupid and vulgar trolls on news sites. I would hope Anthony would toss anyone who behaved so horribly off the blog. The news sites seem to love the vulgar and stupid however.

MarkW
Reply to  Sheri
September 13, 2018 9:45 am

Perhaps they are the papers staff?

Wiliam Haas
September 13, 2018 3:30 am

The climate change we have been experiencing is so small that it take networks of very sophisticated sensors decades to even detect it. The climate change that we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind and even President Trump have no control. There is no evidence that the climate change we are experiencing has any effect on hurricanes so hence there is no evidence that any of President Trump’s actions or inactions have has any effect on hurricanes.

Ian W
September 13, 2018 3:53 am

The withdrawal from the Paris Climate accord led to the US not sending any more $Lots to poorer countries supposedly affected by anthropogenic ‘climate change’ (sic). That is all the accord required that has not been done. The US has already reduced CO2 output more than required (and more than any other country).

So how does not sending $Lots to some other countries lead to development of hurricanes?

Einstein was right about stupidity being infinite. But perhaps the Washington Post just believes their readership is stupid?

Ian Macdonald
September 13, 2018 4:24 am

Ostensibly, Trump could only be responsible if temperatures had increased during his term of office.
In fact, they have decreased. Thus, utter and complete disinformation.

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2016

Reply to  Ian Macdonald
September 14, 2018 3:21 am

It’s even better than that… All of the Gorebal Warming since Al Gore & Jimbo Hansen invented the “science” has occurred while Democrats were President.

Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2018 5:13 am

TDS and CCDS, a match made in heaven.

Dale S
September 13, 2018 6:01 am

“Yet when it comes to extreme weather, Mr. Trump is complicit. He plays down humans’ role in increasing the risks, and he continues to dismantle efforts to address those risks. It is hard to attribute any single weather event to climate change. But there is no reasonable doubt that humans are priming the Earth’s systems to produce disasters.”

There’s considerable doubt that humans are “priming the Earth’s system to produce disasters”, given that the warming we’ve had since the LIA (not all of which is anthropogenic) hasn’t increased weather-related disasters. It’s completely plausible that a warming world will actually *reduce* the impact of weather-related disasters. And there is no “reasonable doubt” at all that rich fossil-fueled nations are much more resilient to extreme weather events than poor nations with little fossil fuel use.

But even if you granted the premise that Trump’s policy will have negative effects down the road (perhaps by pretending that the efforts Trump is “dismantling” would actually accomplish anything useful), Florence is happening *now*, and nothing that Trump has done in his brief term in office could have a detectable influence on Florence.

Tom Kennedy
September 13, 2018 6:06 am

WaPo is a joke – Old Headline from WaPo – “World to End Tomorrow – Women and Minorities to Suffer the Most” New Headline – “World to End Tomorrow – Trump is the Reason!”

Simon Glass
September 13, 2018 6:09 am

So, the Hate Preachers were wrong, it wasn’t the homosexuals causing bad weather, it was Trump, all along.

Sheri
September 13, 2018 6:15 am

So it only takes 18 months for the climate to change due to CO2???? Michael Mann LIED???? IPCC lied??

Come on, this makes the climate change cult look like the fanatics and liars they are.

hunter
September 13, 2018 6:18 am

So now that Florence is weakening, it will be great to see the media praise President Trump’s accordingly for the the storm’s decreasing impact.

Ed Reid
Reply to  hunter
September 13, 2018 7:45 am

I do not intend to hold my breath waiting for WaPo to even acknowledge, no less praise, any potentially positive Trump influence. I don’t look good blue.

Daz
September 13, 2018 7:01 am

Potus should order WaPo CNN et al to cut their CO2 footprint to 1990 levels

Jim Whelan
September 13, 2018 7:09 am

Since presidential environmental policy causes hurricanes, we now know why there were so few in the previous few years, why isn’t Obama taking credit?

Ed Reid
Reply to  Jim Whelan
September 13, 2018 7:43 am

Patience, grasshopper.

Coach Springer
September 13, 2018 7:41 am

If Trump is complicit in Cat 2 Florence, why isn’t Obama complicit in Cat 3 Sandy? Perhaps they are giving Trump credit for reducing the strength of land falling hurricanes on the east coast.

W.H.
September 13, 2018 8:05 am

After Hurricane Florence, Donald Trump may have another system to deal with… This article says that Isaac may be worth watching next week. Hopefully, the government handles Florence well. http://texasstormwatch.com/2018/09/95l-less-likely-to-develop.html

ren
Reply to  W.H.
September 13, 2018 9:08 am
Joel Snider
September 13, 2018 8:12 am

This kind of open hack-job propaganda has become the norm rather than the exception.

The damage to journalism is probably even greater than the damage to science.
The only positive I can find is that they pretty much announce to the world at large that they are not to be trusted.

honest liberty
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 14, 2018 8:34 am

never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the average democrat.

Chris D.
September 13, 2018 8:14 am

Current max wind speed is 105 mph. That was very compassionate of DJT to weaken the storm. I doubt if the WaPo will credit him for it, though.

Louis Hunt
September 13, 2018 9:35 am

How could President Trump be complicit in climate-change disasters, such as hurricane Florence, if CO2 emissions have decreased since he has been in office? In fact, the 15.8 metric tons per person in 2017 is the lowest measured levels in 67 years. In contrast, emissions have risen in Europe. So why isn’t Europe getting the blame? Why should they get credit for signing on to the Paris agreement even though they have no intention of keeping their commitments? Is virtue signalling all that matters when it comes to climate change?

From Investor’s Business Daily a few months ago:

“Last year [2017], European output of CO2 rose 1.5%, while U.S. output fell 0.5%. For the record, the disaster predicted when President Trump left the Paris climate agreement and rejected draconian EPA restrictions on power plants hasn’t materialized. On the contrary, the U.S. model has been shown to be superior.”

“The U.S. Energy Information Administration’s latest energy report notes that, from 2005 to 2017, U.S. energy related emissions of carbon dioxide plunged by 861 million metric tons, a 14% drop. … Question: Over the same period, how did the rest of the world do? Emissions rose by 21% to 6.04 billion metric tons over the 12 years, mostly due to booming economic growth in India and China, where coal-fired energy output continues to expand.”

See more at https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-co2-levels-drop-again/

Editor
September 13, 2018 9:36 am

Now MSNBC (and the other ABCNNBCBS mouthpieces) add their voices to the many other media outlets the past two days: As if it were coordinated somehow. /sarchasm – The gaping whole between the news media and reality.

MSNBC: How Can ‘Climate Change Deniers’ Respond to Hurricane?
newsbusters.org ^ | 9/12/2018 | Kyle Drennen

Posted on 9/13/2018 at http://www.freerepublic.com 11:21:20 AM by rktman

On her 2:00 p.m. ET hour show on Wednesday, MSNBC anchor Katy Tur predictably exploited Hurricane Florence to push the left’s climate change agenda and condemn “deniers” in the Trump administration. She brought on liberal environmental activist Bill Nye and ex-Clinton administration official Paul Bledsoe to provide even more alarmist rhetoric.

“President Trump says FEMA is ready for Hurricane Florence, but mounting evidence suggests it could incredibly difficult to deal with this disaster if climate change deniers are on the front lines of emergency response,” Tur proclaimed at the top of the segment. She then touted a new study “echoing the findings of previous research showing climate change as the cause of warmer ocean conditions that produce fast, intensifying storms like Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria.”

Tur fretted over the White House policy agenda:

But where does the Trump administration stand on climate change? Well, just yesterday, President Trump rolled back Obama-era mandates blocking rogue methane leaks from and oil and gas wells. Last month, the EPA weakened a rule limiting carbon dioxide pollution from coal-fired power plants. And in July, the agency reduced regulations capping greenhouse gas emissions from automobiles. These rules were all part of Obama’s three-part strategy for combating climate change.

The transcript continues at the link above.

September 13, 2018 9:46 am

I just mashed my finger with a hammer. Trump is complicit.

A bee stung my dog. Trump is complicit.

The wind is starting to pick up a bit. Trump is complicit.

I have an upset stomach. Trump is complicit.

Whatever is wrong, Trump … .

Let’s just get right down to the simplest of all possible claims, by designating “human-caused climate change” by a new name — Trump-caused climate change. In this way, nobody has to defend the greenhouse effect anymore, because the issue has totally shifted perspectives from a magical molecule to an evil wizard.

Think of the beauty of it — now climate “science” can metamorphose fully to POLITICAL “science”. Only ONE human causes climate change, and that human is Trump. It makes things so much easier.

ren
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 13, 2018 10:24 am

What will happen when hits the winter jet stream from the north?

Louis Hunt
Reply to  ren
September 13, 2018 1:13 pm

What will happen when what hits the winter jet stream? Trump? Whatever happens, the media will report it as unprecedented and the greatest evil the planet has ever encountered.

Richard
September 13, 2018 10:19 am

“Washington Post: President Trump “is complicit” in Hurricane Florence Because Climate Change”

A statement like this makes perfect sense, considering how little globalwarmists specifically, and liberals in general, know about history. They act as though hurricanes never happened before ‘global warming’. Of course, these are the same people who see Joseph Stalin as a hero who created the perfect Worker’s Paradise.

ATheoK
September 13, 2018 10:30 am

Ain’t that interesting!?

Turns out that while researching genealogy, I lost a couple great great etc. Aunts during those trials.

A third GGGGGGGAunt was acquitted and released.

Why?
She challenged the legality of Rev. Samuel Parris’s use of “spiritual” visions and evidence.
With the Reverend daughter’s testimony about visions, dreams and whatnot discarded, the witch trial case collapsed.
Unfortunately, the Rev. Samuel Parris’s fervor combined with his child’s visions and dreams regarding Rebecca Nurse and Mary Eastey were allowed during the Reverend’s rush to convict and terminate.

The simile to CO₂ caused climate change and the Washington Post’s hand waving is very apt.
1) Discard arbitrary adjustments
2) Discard modeled stuff
3) Discard estimates and assumptions
4) Discard corrected or infilled temperatures from distant temperature stations

And the Washington Post article is exactly like crusading Rev. Samuel Parris’s witch hunt; all emoting religious cause coupled with a thirst for blood. Without a mote of merit to their claims.

hunter
September 13, 2018 10:53 am

So President Trump is complicit in the weakening and the lack of damage from Florence.

Joel Snider
Reply to  hunter
September 13, 2018 10:55 am

Nope. That was Obama.

Bill Powers
September 13, 2018 12:02 pm

“Yet when it comes to extreme weather, Mr. Trump is complicit. ” That is like saying that a Climate Scientist tracked the weather between January 2009 to 2017 and that sunny days were more prevalent during that 8 years so Trump is responsible for the excessive rainfall in the mid-Atlantic this summer. And they wonder why their subscriptions are down and people are tuning out?

Editor
September 13, 2018 12:38 pm

Hurricane Florence continues to weaken, down to 105MPH, might get down to 95-100 when it come onto land.

3:00 PM EDT Thu Sep 13
Location: 33.6°N 76.1°W
Moving: WNW at 10 mph
Min pressure: 955 mb
Max sustained: 105 mph

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

The Compost is once again a babbling newspaper.

ren
Reply to  Sunsettommy
September 13, 2018 1:40 pm

Hurricane Florence weakened and virtually has the strength of a tropical storm. The radar shows strong precipitation on the North Carolina coast.
http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mtpw2/product.php?color_type=tpw_nrl_colors&prod=conus&timespan=24hrs&anim=html5

JCalvertN(UK)
September 13, 2018 1:47 pm

This is a load of complete garbage because The Washington Post.

Wally
September 13, 2018 3:30 pm

Wasn’t the money that Trump decided not to give to the UN shysters made up by others?
So ….

Patrick MJD
September 13, 2018 7:14 pm

More coal protests in Aus;

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/hunter-coal-train-driver-yells-abuse-at-protester-who-boarded-his-train-20180914-p503nx.html

Apart from being really stupid, it’s illegal to be anywhere in the rail transport corridor unauthorised.

Menicholas
September 13, 2018 10:28 pm

Glad you picked up the story Eric. I am wondering if you saw where I posted it on Dr. Spencer’s post the other day?
This crap from the leftist media is totally out of hand and over the top.

Mike Maguire
September 13, 2018 10:42 pm

“A ludicrous thing to blame on Trump…. hurricanes”

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/12858/

DiogenesNJ
September 14, 2018 7:47 am

Re photo: But coal is dead, right? Maybe nyet…

SUEK Sets Longwall Record at Yalevsky Mine

COAL AGE, September 13, 2018

“The “hero of Kuzbass,” Yevgeny Kosmin, and his brigade set another record for monthly coal production record at the Yalevsky mine, according to the Siberian Coal & Energy Co. (SUEK). The brigade produced 1.627 million metric tons (mt) of coal in August, the highest monthly underground coal production figure for Russia and the world.”

Amber
September 14, 2018 3:00 pm

The current political decorum consists of people covering their ears screaming at the top of their lungs.
Lying then feigned apologies to feed click bait cash registers .
Now we learn Google is an internment camp for one tribe .
This is not going to end well .
Shut it off and the world looks a lot better because most people just want to get along .