False Consensus: The Onion Spoofs Climate Science

Guest essay by Robert Bradley Jr.

The Onions recent satire on climate science, “Climate Researchers Warn Only Hope For Humanity Now Lies In Possibility They Making All Of This Up,” presents a paradox worth solving.

“Saying the time to act has come and gone,” the piece begins, “a group of researchers from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warned Tuesday that any hope for the future of humanity now hinges on the possibility that scientists like themselves are simply making all of this up.” The spoof continues:

After reviewing our climate models and projections of worldwide CO2 emissions, we have come to the conclusion that the only scenario in which the human race survives is if our thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies on climate change turn out to be something we’ve been lying about all along,” said climate scientist Philip Vanderwall…. “The evidence indicates our planet still might stand a chance of averting a complete climate catastrophe as long as my colleagues and I belong to a cabal of charlatans who are secretly paid huge sums of money to trick everyone into believing excess greenhouse gases will precipitate record-breaking natural disasters and worldwide famine. Otherwise, we’re all doomed.

Have a chuckle, then note the paradox. A bevy of mainstream climate scientists has sounded the alarm—and for thirty long years. Many models back up their prognostications. And it is not a bad dream or made up.

Yet, global food production is at an all-time high, and climate-related deaths have declined precipitously as fossil-fuel consumption and population have soared in the last century. Virtually all human welfare indicators are positive in capitalistic countries in the manmade greenhouse gas era, as documented at HumanProgress.

So, what gives with the so-called scientific consensus on problematic, even catastrophic, climate change? Why the false “consensus”? Part of the answer is a deep-seated bias against humankind’s quest to tame and overcome the limits from nature, the latest manifestation being climate alarmism.

The Malthusianism Virus

Climate angst is another verse of an old lament. Today’s melancholia can be traced to a 1798 pamphlet, An Essay on the Principle of Population, which mathematically determined a future of subsistence living. Its simple model compared a geometrically increasing population to an arithmetic increase in food supply. “The argument is conclusive against the perfectibility of the mass of mankind,” Thomas Robert Malthus declared, and “decisive against the possible existence of a society, all the members of which should live in ease, happiness, and comparative leisure.”

In the last half-century, popular Malthusian scares have gone from the population bomb of Paul Ehrlich to resource exhaustion of the Club of Rome, oil and gas exhaustion (Peak OilPeak Natural Gas), and even global cooling. Elevated fears of genetically modified foods and other mini-scares add to this list.

The “Cabal of Charlatans”

The population bomb, resource famine, and Peak Oil/Gas were consensus science for Association of the Advancement of Science, “the world’s largest general scientific society,” and its flagship publication, Science. But a “charlatan” article in that magazine in 1980, “Resources, Population, Environment: An Oversupply of False Bad News,” inflamed the membership. Paul Ehrlich asked: “Could the editors have found someone to review [Julian] Simon’s manuscript who had to take off his shoes to count to 20?”

The consensus was an inverse relationship between people and the environment, captured in the model I = PAT, where (negative) environmental Impact equals Population times Affluence times Technology.

Simple model—except that the very opposite has proven to be the case. Per Simon, environmental improvement and prosperity (including safety) is positively correlated with the same three factors in a regime of private property, market exchange, and the rule of law.

Julian Simon was a shining example of the adage, one plus the truth equals a majority. But (contrary to Onion), a “cabal of charlatans,” top scientists all, has ruptured the alleged consensus. Judith Curry is the most active dissenter from the climate-crisis troupe, and such high-powered scientists such as John Christy, William Happer, David Legates, Richard Lindzen, Patrick Michaels, and Roy Spencer, among others, are effectively challenging the high-sensitivity estimates from climate models run by establishment scientists.

Conclusion

The Onion is right-on regarding the sirens of climate alarm. “We have at most ten years” to act, stated James Hansen twelve years ago, echoed by Al Gore’s predicated “point of no return.” And just last week: “We are pushing the planet toward an irreversible ‘Hothouse Earth’,” stated Joe Romm. “And we may be much closer to the ‘point of no return’ than most people realize.”

Laugh at the Onion piece but unmask the irony. Climate models may enjoy “consensus,” but they are not science. Physical science is prediction, independent replication, and potential falsifiability, not Malthus-in Malthus-out modeling.

When it comes to the climate “consensus,” just remember that the same people with the same agenda and with the same confidence and zeal proclaimed global resource famines, mass starvation in American streets, and Peak Oil and Gas. Humility, anyone?

The real laugh is on Malthusian consensus, past and present, not on the critics of doom-and-gloom.

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August 21, 2018 8:00 am

Satire or reality …

At least they have it right that humanity will be saved once the scientific truth emerges from the fog of deception.

brad tittle
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 21, 2018 8:22 am

As much as I agree that their is deception, part of me can’t shake the need to believe that the other side is sincere. Selling fear is every so much easier than selling uncertainty. Most of the people on WUWT seem to be intensely familiar with the problems of uncertainty.

I walk the same path every morning. My iphone tells me that I have walked 4.9mi. If I trace it on google earth, the path says 4.08 mi. If I drive it in my car, 3.7. The problem in the car is related to not being able to drive the exact path I walk. The phones misinterpretation of the distance is quite likely associated with changes in my pace length. If I were a good salesman, I push that I walked 4.9 mi. If I am a good engineer, I point out the discrepancy.

It also tells me that I slept an entire 22 minutes last night.

There are people here who can make the connection between a discussion of my phone accuracy and the accuracy of temperature. There are also people here who are very capable of telling me how temperature and distance are completely different things.

All of them are likely sincere.

My uncertainty DOES NOT SELL. I would like to think that managers would like people on their staff to tell them when things don’t have to be done. I have found very few such managers.

I don’t know that the scientific truth can ever actually emerge from the fog. It takes more than a little training to start seeing the flip side of the analysis. I can point out the inconsistencies to people who write the checks. To the people who just do the recycling, they think they are helping save the world. They don’t quite see that it is cheaper to buy sand from South Carolina and ship it to the west coast to use to make glass beads than it is to get free glass from the recycling plant. They might even pay you to take it away in some places. This is an uncomfortable truth out of the mouth of a bead maker — glass that has been a bottle likes to be a bottle, it doesn’t like to be a bead… The bead maker is very worried about the cost of the energy source to melt the glass. He is not so worried about the price of the raw materials. He is very worried about how long a rod of glass he can make because of the meter drop on the rod. The price he can get for the beads he makes demands he make a certain number of beads within a certain time frame.

All of that IS related to any discussion of climate change or temperature. Getting it understood by people who can immediately dismiss it as irrelevant borders on impossible. It is irrelevant and they are right to deem it to be irrelevant (although I sort of deem them ignorant for not being able to comprehend the connection). They win though because making the connection takes more than a little time and time is money…

Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 9:14 am

Yes, those that believe the lies are sincere in their belief, not because they understand what they believe, but because they fearfully accept what they are told. Fear is a powerful motivator and supercedes the requirement for understanding. Replacing the fear of warming with the fear of cooling, which is a far more likely and inevitable future, will flip the masses. If the Sun is entering a period of low activity, as it seems to be doing, this may happen sooner than later.

Global cooling is a far more fearful outcome. In the past, much of the populated regions in the developed world were buried under km’s of ice. This will inevitably happen again and no amount CO2 will prevent it.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 10:21 am

Brad, all you need to know is the commie highschool drop out, Maurice Strong, who created the UNFCC, the IPCC, the Kyoto and Stockholm conventions is a scientific illiterate. To understand AGW, check out Bertrand Russell’s orbiting teapot on wiki.

Dreadnought
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 21, 2018 11:49 am

Thank you, Gary – Russell’s Teapot is now in my repertoire! All the best, JT

Herbert
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 21, 2018 5:52 pm

Gary,
So if I was to argue that the planet is only 2 degrees from “Hothouse Earth” and will pass a tipping point at some unspecified date based on an unverifiable opinion drawn from a squadron of computer models, an analogy with Russell’s orbiting teapot would be appropriate……
Thanks.Most amusing.

Kenji
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 10:28 am

Ignoring healthy uncertainty leads directly to catastrophic bridge collapses.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 10:59 am

Nice one brad, the coincidence with this arriving today in my inbox is quite amazing:
https://foodrevolution.org/blog/meat-dairy-greenhouse-gases/
The contrived thinking in there (and the decimal places) is something to behold – and *there* is The Real Problem.

Apparently from ‘those in the know’ references to saturated fat being bad are ever so quietly disappearing from US government health-advice websites.
Just disappearing like ‘melting snow’
haha
Something to watch for all fatties and (pre) diabetics out there.

And these guys can keep their Big Willies and small aeroplanes inside their pants for this year at least.
Seemingly (from Wunderground I think), Greenland and its environs are having a Heat Wave right now – to the extent that ‘unmeltable ice’ is now melting.
“Unmeltable” – stuff that really really did imply the End of the World when it melts is melting, right now as we speak, and breaking into chunks and floating away.
Bring it on Ma Nature, we’re luvvin it!!!

Goldrider
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 21, 2018 2:51 pm

Fact: We have the gut-to-brain-size ratio of carnivores, not herbivores. We also lack a cecum (it’s now the vestigial appendix) which is the fermentation-vat capable of digesting cellulose. Yes, we can consume small amounts of plant matter, but it largely goes right through us like grass through a goose. We broke ranks with lower primates and expanded our brain size to become homo sapiens during the great glaciations when we ate meat almost exclusively. The fossil record leaves this in little doubt, nor does the works of Steffanson, Taubes, et. al.

Anyone who feels “superior” for going “vegan” may respectfully knock themselves out.
Having read the (now un-PC) works of the late Weston A. Price (Google it!) I am happily enjoying grass-fed butter, pastured pork including great slabs of bacon, and raw milk while watching the “woke” bunch suffer from infertility, autism, auto-immune disorders and deficiency diseases uncommon to the modern age resulting from their falsely assumed “moral high ground.” At the end of the day, the kale-and-quinoa bunch will be out of the gene pool because it ain’t nice to mess with Mother Nature. Score: Nature 1, elevated philosophy 0. Good luck with that . . .

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Goldrider
August 22, 2018 4:08 am

you dont have to be vego to eat kale or quinoa;-) kale actually does have some very good properties that are being proven to help fight colon cancer and quinoa does contain ALL the required by human aminoacids. both are quite edible in a stirfry;-) made with butter to fry the meat OR coconutoil;-)

ferdberple
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 22, 2018 4:45 am

kale actually does have some very good properties
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Which are greatly improved by leaving the kale in the ground.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 27, 2018 1:43 pm

Which is always my point… everything should be taken in moderation… including this advice!

Gil
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 22, 2018 8:39 am

A couple more references about skepticism regarding consensus science, Google: WSJ, The Questionable Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease,” and NYT, “The Government’s Bad Diet Advice.”

John Harmsworth
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 12:54 pm

If you’re a climate scientist you are sleep walking “TOWARD CERTAIN DOOM”! Which explains the extra distance. It is predicted by all the latest models.

Eric Simpson
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 4:51 pm

@brad tittle

“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.” -Stephen Schneider, lead IPCC author, 1989

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” -Paul Watson, Co-Founder of Greenpeace

“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” -Sir John Houghton, first ipcc chair, 1994

“Only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention.” -Monika Kopacz, Atmospheric Scientist

“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” -Daniel Botkin, ex Chair of Environmental Studies, UCSB

Sylvia
Reply to  Eric Simpson
August 22, 2018 12:04 am

Thanks for those quotes, I’ll add them to my collection.

I hope the Onion reads this! What always strikes me is the double standard, wherein conspiracy theories only work one way. That there is a fossil fuel industry conspiracy corrupting scientists (thousands of them??) is perfectly acceptable to the left. That there could be a conspiracy of vested interests on the other side of the equation is ridiculed, despite so much evidence to the contrary. When we see the results of poisonous ideologies enacted upon unwitting citizens by those in power (and often with the obliging participation of intellectuals, scientists and the citizenry themselves), then why is it such a ludicrous proposition that CAGW is indeed exactly what the Onion is satirising? After all, wasn’t Das Kapital a ‘scientific’ theory that led to the death of millions, when applied with ideological zeal by those with a lust for power and a belief that what they were doing was morally justified?

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Eric Simpson
August 27, 2018 1:47 pm

The IPCC report(s) was(were) baffling to me from the very second I encountered the first one. It was 2008, was the 2007 report out by then? In any event, the very first thing that sprung off the page at me: Summary For Policy Makers… I knew instantly, that had absolutely nothing to do with science, that was strictly activism!!!

Wally
Reply to  brad tittle
August 21, 2018 10:44 pm

It’s difficult for someone to accept the truth when they are paid to believe otherwise.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Wally
August 23, 2018 5:28 pm

Even more difficult when they have spent a lifetime being told falsehoods and then dedicated their education and career to saving the world from the falsehood.

Gerard O'Dowd
Reply to  brad tittle
August 22, 2018 4:21 pm

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Voltaire.

I am certain that there is too much certainty in the world today. Michael Crichton.

Louis Hunt
Reply to  brad tittle
August 22, 2018 9:55 pm

The problem with “uncertainty” is it makes it much harder to get government funding. Politicians love to spend money, but they would rather not do it on something that is known to be uncertain. It is a lot easier to waste money on something that is based on scientific consensus. If they end up spending vast sums on a boondoggle, like much of the spending on green energy has turned out to be, they can point to the scientific consensus and say, “It’s their fault, not mine.” Those who provide the scientific consensus may not be all that convinced in the beginning, but it becomes a lot easier to believe your own hype when your paycheck depends on it.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 21, 2018 9:03 am

“humanity will be saved once the scientific truth emerges from the fog of deception.”
I’m afraid that’s yet another thing to add to the list of things that are always “only 10 years away”.

Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
August 21, 2018 9:58 am

We can use the deception against them. If the ECS is as high as claimed, a mere 1% decrease in solar forcing (2.4 W/m^2) should result in almost 2C of cooling based on the absurdly high nominal ECS of 0.8C per W/m^2.

I’d like to see them try and explain how the sensitivity is high only as the forcing increases, but not as it decreases.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 21, 2018 10:36 am

Dont forget Co2, that dimming also causes cloud reduction to offset the effect of cooling. Read Willis on this.g

Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 21, 2018 11:22 am

Gary,

Willis’s hypothesis can be falsified. If you look at the data, while water vapor and the volume of clouds monotonically increases as the temperature rises, the amount of surface covered by clouds decreases as their height to area ratio and resulting emissivity increases.

We don’t really need cooling to offset the expected warming. The problem is not that cooling effects are being ignored, but that the expected warming effects are exaggerated far beyond what’s actually possible independent of any cooling effects.

In this scatter plot, the albedo is seen to decrease (Y axis) as the solar forcing (X axis) increases.

http://www.palisad.com/co2/sens/pi/ab.png

Confirming data is that the average fraction of the surface covered by clouds also decreases with increasing temperature.

http://www.palisad.com/co2/sens/pi/ca.png

Below 0C, clouds increase with increasing temperature, while between about 0C and over 33C, clouds decrease with increasing temperature. This is a clear indication that clouds are adapting to conditions, as the only relevant change around 0C is that below 0C clouds only warm the surface as the incremental reflection from clouds is absent since surface ice and snow reflect about the same as clouds. Above 0C, increasing clouds also cool by reflecting energy away and since the cooling influence is larger than the warming influence, fewer clouds are required for balance.

For confirmation of the linearity in the power domain that supports the above analysis, the averages from this scatter plot of the SB surface emissions corresponding to the average surface temperature vs. the average solar forcing (the larger dots) unambiguously demonstrate linearity from pole to pole and across all surface temperatures and corresponding emissions.

http://www.palisad.com/co2/sens/pi/se.png

Once more I must point out that this data originated from GISS. All I’ve done is present it in a manner where it’s easier to see the relationships between the variables, especially relative to solar forcing.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 21, 2018 8:01 pm

— Speaking of increasing albedo — We have a ready-made experiment going on in the northwest with all of this smoke from forest fires in British Columbia.

Any studies being done on its effect on temperature? I’ve seen several predicted daytime highs being lowered partway through the day with comments about the haze lowering the expected high.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 27, 2018 1:58 pm

You’re making a very common “climate scientist” mistake… you’re taking the Earth’s atmosphere as a static entity. It is not. It is not only dynamic, but chaotically so. The real thing about clouds is they are condensed moisture, that right there is a phase change, involving huge amounts of energy, but that’s not the most important part. As clouds increase in size, they develop an upward velocity and punch a hole right through the insulation of the atmosphere. So that essentially all the energy given up by the phase change of water from vapor back to liquid, and often the next phase change of liquid to frozen, is transported to the top of the cloud, where it is at virtually the top of the atmosphere and is no longer constrained by the insulating properties of the atmosphere, thus it radiates to space and cools the earth. Therefore, ipso facto, QED and thusly, clouds cool. Now that’s just cool!

Jim Whelan
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 23, 2018 5:31 pm

You are trying to use a hypothesis to disprove a hypothesis. What you have is two competing hypotheses, neither of which may be true. A hypothesis is invalidated by experimental observation and it doesn’t matter whether any alternative hypotheses exist.

CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 8:02 am

Thanks Robert.

In 1989, Harrowsmith magazine in Canada (a liberal, back-to-the land periodical) featured a story about David Suzuki (who the Canadian readers at WUWT will be more than familiar). The article was written by David Lees. It was titled, “The man who cries wolf.” Remember the year—1989. Here is an excerpt. It is not clear what year this refers to, but I assume 1987 or 1988. No matter…about 30 years ago.

… Start quote from article …
In one of his last columns in the Globe, Suzuki quoted Ehrlich’s view of public apathy about the perils of economic growth … A few weeks later, when the Star began to publish the column,
Ehrlich was featured in it regularly. “Ehrlich concludes that it would be a dangerous miscalculation to look to technology for the answer to [environmental problems]. Scientific analysis points toward the need for a quasi-religious transformation of contemporary culture.” …
and three weeks after that [Suzuki wrote], “Stanford University ecologist Paul Ehrlich reminds us that … we face a ‘billion environmental Pearl Harbors all at once.’ ” On December 2, Suzuki
wrote, “We no longer have the luxury of time … when people like Paul Ehrlich of Stanford University …tell us we only have a decade to turn things around.” And in his Christmas column on December 13, Suzuki wrote, “As eminent ecologist Paul Ehrlich says, ‘the solution to ecocatastrophe is quasi-religious.’”
… End quote from article …

The year was 1989.

If anyone wants the article I can email a PDF copy.

rocketscientist
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 8:53 am

Meanwhile humanity is still thriving almost 2 decades past the dooms day, and life is improving.

Goldrider
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 21, 2018 2:55 pm

Can’t have THAT, doesn’t further The Narrative!

Kenji
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 10:39 am

We have been presented another false dichotomy by the Warmists. Similar to the guns or butter false economic dichotomy, we are presented with the … “Destroy capitalism or face never ending Wars over limited resources” … dichotomy. According to the Warmists … I should already be DEAD, having been slaughtered by my hungry neighbors … or should be cowering in a foxhole … or living underground in my updated 1950’s bomb shelter. It seems not to matter how WRONG these “Stanford-educated” fools become … they have a PRIVATE ($costly$) degree and pedigree … so THEY hold the TRUTH. Me? I’m just a deplorable grad from the (ewwww) Public University across the Bay. Go Bears!

Sylvia
Reply to  Kenji
August 21, 2018 5:55 pm

Stupid aren’t they. Deeply stupid. We need to destroy civilisation to save the world. The misanthropes just want humans to die off or kill each other, but if all the systems and energy sources that sustain civilisation fail, that’s when you’ll see ecological disaster. How will all the forests fare when people start cutting them down to keep warm because there is no power? How will all the endangered species fare when billions of starving people start hunting them? In Venezuela they were eating horses. How about lions, tigers, cougars, wolves, elephants, panda bears, koalas, eagles, pelicans, pets …in fact anything that moves? How will delicate ecosystems cope when marine parks become open slather for fishing and shellfish or turtle egg collecting?

Robert MacLellan
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 10:59 am

ah Harrowsmith, that takes me back. I used to have a subscription. Early on it had many great articles about practical low tech solutions to country living problems. Let it lapse when the focus changed in the mid 80s.

BCBill
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 11:14 am

Craaaaazy Dave is interesting in that he didn’t seem to particularly favour one doom scenario more than any other of the dozens that he promoted over the years. C. D. was as happy to promote death by pesticide as death by global warming or super volcano or asteroid. In once sense he was probably correct that humanity will some day come to a horrible end. In the meantime, he made a very good living off the Malthusian schtick, thank you very much. Crazy like a fox. I feel he missed the most imminent horrible end to humanity which is death by declining intelligence. Something has emboldened the not very bright (a growing category) to believe that they have the moral imperative to save us from ourselves. Very scary.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 1:04 pm

Suzuki made a fortune in the following decade off his pseudo-scientific claptrap…so mission accomplished as far as he’s concerned. He turned “it” around!

Goldrider
Reply to  CLIVE SCHAUPMEYER
August 21, 2018 2:54 pm

That anyone still buys into this is evidence of how behind-the-curve “progressive” thought actually is; mired in the debunked assumptions of 1960’s hysteria. Sigh . . .

Tom Halla
August 21, 2018 8:03 am

When doom has been predicted right soon now all my adult life, I tend to get cynical when I see the next imminent catastrophe claimed. The green blob has the same sort of track record as certain evangelical groups predicting the Second Coming, stating a date, being wrong, and glossing over their failure.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 21, 2018 1:07 pm

So I shouldn’t have given away all my belongings to come stand on this hill waiting?

brians356
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 21, 2018 2:54 pm

They don’t even gloss over their failed predictions, they simply shrug and walk on to the next prediction. Less said the better for them.

RyanS
August 21, 2018 8:04 am

This is from the “passing the 12th floor and everything is ok so far” department.

Thomas Homer
Reply to  RyanS
August 21, 2018 8:29 am

‘This is from the “passing the 12th floor and everything is ok so far” department.’

Did you just equate CAGW with Triskaidekaphobia?

RyanS
Reply to  Thomas Homer
August 21, 2018 9:18 am

lol no

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Thomas Homer
August 21, 2018 10:35 am

Okay that was a rhetorical question because you clearly did, and you didn’t realize it. Keep trying.

eyesonu
Reply to  Thomas Homer
August 21, 2018 2:48 pm

TH,

I would put that in my vocabulary if I thought I could ever spell it correctly or pronounce it again! 😉

rocketscientist
Reply to  RyanS
August 21, 2018 8:55 am

Yep, still climbing and continuing to improve.
Can’t say as much for the reputations of the doomists though.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
August 21, 2018 9:18 am

There is absolutely no evidence that there are any problems, but some people aren’t happy unless their scared of something.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  RyanS
August 21, 2018 10:29 am

RyanS,
Not sure what you are trying to say here, but I remember as a lad going to the top of the IDS tower in Minneapolis with my mom. I was excited going up, but the elevator seemed to be going pretty fast on the way down. I have to say that I was feeling pretty happy when we passed the 12th floor without any issues, because I knew everything was fine, having started on the 50-something floor. That’s where humanity is now. We have overcome so many potential species ending disasters, that at this point I’m no longer worried. I am confident we will solve future problems just as we have in the past. Why do think we won’t? What is it about your psyche that is attracted to these doomsday scenarios?

Fred250
Reply to  RyanS
August 21, 2018 2:24 pm

Better than digging deeper and deeper into the fetid ooze of “climate science™”

Phil Rae
August 21, 2018 8:05 am

Brilliant! Top marks to The Onion for a great piece of satire and an uncompromising exposure of CAGW and its proponents! I’d love to see this piece picked up by somebody and disseminated far & wide!

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Phil Rae
August 21, 2018 10:29 am

Actually, I think they were poking fun more at us skeptics than the believers.

Honest liberty
Reply to  Paul Penrose
August 21, 2018 11:05 am

Paul, that is how I read it d well. Maybe a bit of a jab at the models, but mostly some at skeptics

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Honest liberty
August 21, 2018 2:06 pm

I think it was aimed at us, too.

Goldrider
Reply to  Honest liberty
August 21, 2018 2:59 pm

Last week one of the major cable channels admitted in their broadcast that “global warming pieces are a huge ratings loser.” That’s really all you need to know about how many people are keeping themselves up at night twisting their sheets over this.

I’d bet about now that’s a subset of warmist troughers whose grants are in jeopardy.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Phil Rae
August 21, 2018 1:10 pm

I heard they’re ditching the print version because it’s just a matter of time before it would burst into flames while you’re reading it anyway. Heard it from some Mann named Hansen or something.

August 21, 2018 8:11 am

“Climate Researchers Warn Only Hope For Humanity Now Lies In Possibility of bad statistics in climate science”
https://chaamjamal.wordpress.com/2018/08/17/trendprofile/

rocketscientist
Reply to  Chaamjamal
August 21, 2018 8:24 am

Hooray! We’re Saved!!!

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 21, 2018 9:04 am

than god for that

MarkW
Reply to  Chaamjamal
August 21, 2018 10:07 am

I find it fascinating that there are people who would down vote a statement like that.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkW
August 22, 2018 9:25 pm

I find it fascinating that people would seriously thank an invisible friend for something.

R. Shearer
August 21, 2018 8:13 am

The Onion and National Enquirer, especially, embody the most noble of journalistic standards these days.

rocketscientist
Reply to  R. Shearer
August 21, 2018 8:23 am

Sad, but closer to the truth than should be allowed.

OweninGA
Reply to  R. Shearer
August 21, 2018 11:05 am

I like the Babylon Bee as well. Send ups of the news that you have to think about to realize they are pulling a fast one.

August 21, 2018 8:13 am

The other day, I’m listening to an NPR interview of Naomi Oreskes making the argument that science is consensus. Her example was the reliability of modern automobiles. That they are the result of consensus of thousands upon thousands of experts. I’m pounding my dashboard and yelling at the radio – “That engineering, not science! They’re dealing with known knowns!”

vrager
Reply to  TomB
August 21, 2018 8:59 am

Consensus produces nothing original… inventions and improvements are the product of individuals

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  TomB
August 21, 2018 9:04 am

dragineez,
“…science is consensus.”
It speaks volumes that Oreskes confuses politics with science!

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 21, 2018 1:16 pm

The real insult to the intelligence is that NPR thinks Oreskes is worth interviewing as anything but a rank Socialist warhorse!

MarkW
Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 21, 2018 2:07 pm

I think you mis-spelled whore.

brians356
Reply to  MarkW
August 21, 2018 3:00 pm

You beat me to it. I don’t read down the screen.

brians356
Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 21, 2018 2:59 pm

Rearrange most letters from “warhorse”, leaving out “a” and “s”, to get to the correct noun for Oreskes. You’ve got ten seconds … go!

Goldrider
Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 21, 2018 3:01 pm

So who actually pays any attention to NPR anyway?

Gunga Din
Reply to  Goldrider
August 21, 2018 4:06 pm

The real question is, “Why do the taxpayers pay for NPR?”

We are way past just 3 TV/Radio networks here in the US.

rbabcock
Reply to  TomB
August 21, 2018 9:42 am

I think Galileo understood exactly the difference between science and consensus as he went against the Church on whether the Sun orbited the Earth or vice versa.

Bill Powers
Reply to  rbabcock
August 21, 2018 10:31 am

And back then the Church held sway over the Governments so by extension putting real science up against Government mandated consensus was a crime. Now today we call it EPA regulations.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  rbabcock
August 21, 2018 10:53 am

It’s easy for man to shrug and go the easy route and simply nod their head with their unthinking contemporaries. The real thinkers have always been the ones intelligent enough, brave enough, and righteous enough to face the unthinking mob and tell them they are wrong and why, because everyone knows the unthinking mob takes more than a generation to correct their thinking.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TomB
August 21, 2018 4:00 pm

“Science is consensus”?
Where I live the movie “The Story of Louis Pasteur” ended about half an hour ago.

ferdberple
Reply to  TomB
August 22, 2018 5:03 am

reliability of modern automobiles
≠=========
The reliability comes from the experience gained from millions of failures. If the experts had been right to start with these failures would never have happened.

What history shows is that the experts almost never get anything right. Rather what happens is that eventually through the process of trial and error we eventually stumble upon the better mousetrap.

rovingbroker
August 21, 2018 8:20 am

If machines do all our work and AI does all our thinking there will be nothing left for us but to eat, recreate and procreate.

Alasdair
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2018 9:38 am

I wonder what happens when algorithms mate.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Alasdair
August 21, 2018 10:47 am

Differential equations.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Alasdair
August 21, 2018 4:10 pm

A bunch of Al Gores?
He does seem a bit artificial. (And he should probably work out more.)

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Alasdair
August 21, 2018 10:57 pm

The pitter patter of little permutations.

Bill Powers
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2018 10:32 am

Go back and watch “Idiocracy” its not a pretty picture.

BCBill
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2018 11:23 am

In the absence of other selection pressures populations select for fecundity. The human brain has decreased dramatically in size in the last 20,000 years and i. q. has dropped rapidly since the 1970s. The dream is already coming true. That is my favourite Malthusian scenario.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  BCBill
August 21, 2018 1:19 pm

Tests actually show that IQ has been increasing steadily for almost 100 years. I doubt it, but that’s what the statistics say. Maybe it’s common sense and good judgement that are declining. Somethin’ ain’t right. That’s for sure!

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 21, 2018 10:56 pm

I would be looking suspiciously at those “statistics”.

BCBill
Reply to  John Harmsworth
August 23, 2018 8:32 am
brians356
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 21, 2018 3:03 pm

So why procreate?

rocketscientist
August 21, 2018 8:22 am

“thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies on climate change”

…If only this had actually been done. Alas, all that has been done is to use computers to calculate incomplete conjecture at a faster rate.

ResourceGuy
August 21, 2018 8:23 am

The difficulty and expense in fact checking inexact climate science with its extensive models and adjusted data sets to veil the fact checking is not so funny. Theocratic rule from Rome, Mecca, Qom, or Geneva (UN) that last centuries is costly to society and human progress.

JohnWho
August 21, 2018 8:24 am

Wow!

We are safe because there is no threat!

I’ll sleep much better tonight.

/grin

JohnWho
August 21, 2018 8:25 am

Hold on just one minute!

Was that Onion article peer reviewed?

We all know how important that is.

/more grin

IHeartCO2
August 21, 2018 8:26 am

Not sure I understand. It seems to me as though the writer is not making a parody of climate science but rather of skeptics in noting the “thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies on climate change” and that “every nation on the face of the earth” would have to be in on the charade. Just seems to me like the author is making fun of those like us who understand it to all be bunk.

Robert Stewart
Reply to  IHeartCO2
August 21, 2018 10:04 am

That’s the way I read it. The implied assumption is that no conspiracy could possibly be so enormous, ergo skeptics must be wrong. But this ignores the human talent for seeking opportunity in unlikely places. And opportunity abounds for those who can find something unexpected and then proclaim that it is due to AGW. Whether it be the melting of glaciers or the bleaching of coral, any author can join the parade and gain expedited access to the grant disbursement window. Just a few words, generally unconnected to any data in their paper but supporting the hysteria, are sufficient.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Robert Stewart
August 21, 2018 11:01 pm

Giving the IPCC the Nobel peace prize was part of the conspiracy. The Warmists love appeal to authority.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  IHeartCO2
August 21, 2018 10:44 am

Thousands and thousands of empirical studies…the Onion has become unawaringly self-mocking, not traditional humor but I’ve always found unintentional self-mocking to be the best humor.

IHeartCO2
Reply to  Robert W Turner
August 21, 2018 10:57 am

This is most certainly true

Robert Stewart
Reply to  Robert W Turner
August 22, 2018 10:58 am

The empiricism that these “empirical studies” employ is the implementation of George Booles’ algebra in the physical form of semiconductor circuits constructed around Alan Turing’s notion of a hypothetical computing machine. This brief reply, encompassing literally billions of cycles of my computer’s processor, let alone the much higher number of operations performed in the network that connects me to your server, is empirical proof that George and Alangot it right. Computer models per se can achieve nothing more.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  IHeartCO2
August 21, 2018 11:06 am

“thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies on climate change”

The foundation for all these thousands of studies is based on a false narrative and bogus, bastardized temperature records.

It only took a few Charlatans in strategic places to change the temperature record and the course of climate science, and all those thousands of studies done based on these lies do not make the authors of those studies co-conspirators, it makes them dupes of the Climate Change Charlatans.

The conspiracy was among a handful of influential liars, not among the majority of scientists.

brians356
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 21, 2018 3:11 pm

I think The Onion hooked you, there.

brians356
Reply to  IHeartCO2
August 21, 2018 3:10 pm

I refuse to believe The Onion folks are gullible enough to buy AGW. I think the “thousands upon thousands” is a tongue-in-cheek giveaway. And “meticulous” is suspiciously obsequious. Ditto “every nation on the face of the earth”. They’re purposely trying too hard. Satire can be subtle.

Robert Stewart
Reply to  brians356
August 22, 2018 11:04 am

What’s your take on Michael Mann?

brians356
Reply to  Robert Stewart
August 22, 2018 2:53 pm

I don’t take him at all.

Steve O
August 21, 2018 8:34 am

“…as long as my colleagues and I belong to a cabal of charlatans who are secretly paid huge sums of money to trick everyone…”
— You mean it’s not charlatans on one side, and paid shills for the fossil fuel industry on the other? I’ll have to remember that the next time I’m accused of being a shill for the fossil fuel industry, acting in bad faith. Or acting out of selfish greed.

But I assume it’s still the case that funding is inherently evil only if it comes from only one side…

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
August 21, 2018 8:36 am

Now if we can only save global warming from melting my ice cream all will be well….

ResourceGuy
August 21, 2018 8:43 am

I guess the utter silence surrounding peak oil and gas these days provides a sample of the sound of global warming alarm during global cooling and the roll over of the 60-year cycle in the AMO. Perhaps plastic scare will replace CO2 scare since we know a shift is more likely than total silence or admissions of mistakes.

http://www.climate4you.com/images/NOAA%20SST-NorthAtlantic%20GlobalMonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

http://www.climate4you.com/images/AMO%20GlobalAnnualIndexSince1856%20With11yearRunningAverage.gif

http://climate4you.com/images/ArgoTimeSeriesTemp59N.JPG

http://climate4you.com/images/OceanTemp0-800mDepthAt59Nand30-0W.gif

vrager
August 21, 2018 8:55 am

Paul Ehrlich was a prophet of doom with his 1968 book the Population Bomb and subsequent predictions of stuff running out by the end of the 20th century. He’s just a hippie who doesn’t understand that human beings solve problems as well as create them. The solution to the problem of overpopulation was improving plant yields, use of fertilisers and pesticides plus better irrigation and drainage of soils…. and urbanisation coupled with industrialisation. Today we haven’t run out of lead as predicted because we stopped putting it in petrol, and we haven’t actually run out of anything as recycling and new sources of fossil fuels and minerals have been discovered.

As population control is politically unacceptable the ecologists moved to another displacement activity to seek to impose their future of a post industrial world of poverty and simple technology they find so attractive in their communes that thankfully they don’t have to toil in – doing all that recycling, patching up tipees/log cabins and hand digging/ weeding the organic veg patch is tiresome – because of academic bursaries, college jobs while jetting around the world to chat to the likeminded. Climate control – the very name is false as none can control the climate other than God, who they don’t believe in. First it was anthrogenic global warming, then just global warming and now there isn’t much warming it’s climate change… something that has happened for thousands of years. We have wasted as Lomberg decades ago highlighted trillions on useless windmills and solar panels paid for by consumers paying higher prices for electricity and fossil fuels so that our standby capacity of fossil / nuclear fuelled generators is exactly the same as it was before all this “green energy generating” stuff was added, whose efficiency is appallingly bad. If sea levels are rising (or land is sinking) money needs to be spent on sea walls not windmills. If rainfall levels are falling money needs to be spent on better water managment, not solar panels. If the sea ice melts, it has no impact on sea levels. If land ice melts, it certainly hasn’t meant sea levels have risen any faster in the last 50 years compared to the 100 years before.. under an inch per decade.. so under a foot since 1880 https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level

Doom mongers are called out by reality and when their predictions from models (garbage in – garbage out tweaked to produce the “right answer” don’t match reality, they do something appalling – the adjustment of historic data upwards to prove warming. Belief in the crisis (what crisis?) has become a cult for groupthink believers who cannot contemplate that their predictions have been wrong and the warming is normal as it’s happened before in Roman times and in the middle ages.

Goldrider
Reply to  vrager
August 21, 2018 3:09 pm

Population control may be politically unacceptable when imposed from above, but the very fact of transcending dirt poverty and women’s illiteracy is sufficient to drop the average family size the world over to below replacement. I think we’ll very soon see peak human population, if we haven’t already, and except for pension funding for the bubble of elders on the horizon it’s already a non-problem.

At the rate the leftists are actively promoting every single non-procreative deviant sexuality known to history, I suspect we may be an endangered species in a couple of generations! Who wants to trade the “Zipless” you know what for 20+ plus years of responsibility for offspring?
(sarc.)

Mumbles McGuirck
August 21, 2018 9:03 am

Even a blind parodist finds an occasional kernel of truth.

Bruce Cobb
August 21, 2018 9:03 am

Erm…The Onion is using straw man arguments to mock Skeptics/Climate Realists.

J Mac
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
August 21, 2018 9:23 am

And yet if functions also as the perfect parody mirror of Con-sensus alarmists also.
A ‘Pairody’, perhaps?

coaldust
August 21, 2018 9:04 am

The problem is the Onion article is made to mock AGW skeptics. It’s some major irony that the resolution will be the science is wrong, but being mocked does not help the skeptics case.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  coaldust
August 21, 2018 10:56 am

Except to serve as an example of how little the climate cult knows.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  coaldust
August 21, 2018 1:25 pm

OOOH! Was The Onion article peer reviewed? There is no higher scientific authority! If you know what I mean by “higher”.

MarkW
August 21, 2018 9:14 am

Even a casual troll should have been able to figure out that technology lessens environmental impact, it doesn’t increase it.

rocketscientist
Reply to  MarkW
August 21, 2018 9:30 am

That can often be the case, but is not necessarily so. Often technology will allow environmental impacts, from man, that otherwise would not have occurred, such as ability to extract resources from a previously unreachable location where mankind had no impact before.

Creation of an impact where before none existed is not lessening the impact.

John Bell
August 21, 2018 9:20 am

I hear this from the climate alarmists: “wolf! wolf! wolf!”

John Harmsworth
Reply to  John Bell
August 21, 2018 1:27 pm

“Thermometer up a wolf’s butt! Thermometer up a wolf’s butt! Thermometer up a wolf’s butt!”

DW Rice
August 21, 2018 9:36 am

Funny that you get the general gist of the satire (that all the world’s climate scientists are involved in a massive conspiracy to corrupt the data, for ‘whatever’ reason) but take the “we’re all doomed” bit literally.

Both are satire. We’re not doomed, even if the surface temperature record is correct.

ren
August 21, 2018 9:38 am

Sorry.
Hurricane Lane will soon hit Hawaii.
https://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/hi/h5-loop-wv.html

Paul Penrose
Reply to  ren
August 21, 2018 10:36 am

Oh my god, it must be GLOBAL WARMING, because hurricanes have never hit Hawaii before…wait – never mind.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  ren
August 21, 2018 10:39 am

They could use the rain.

coaldust
Reply to  ren
August 21, 2018 11:05 am

Dangerous to mention models here, but most of the models currently have the eye tracking south of the islands. Some have it plowing into the big island (where cyclones go to die). (Honolulu could be hit though.) Also, most of the models have it losing intensity from cat 4 to cat 2 or even cat 1. I didn’t look into it to see if it is cold water or shear or dry air (or something else) that would cause the loss in intensity. So definitely worth watching if you have some interest in Hawaii, but likely not much more than a tropical storm on land.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ren
August 23, 2018 6:13 am

Is the “sorry” because you posted off-topic? But you did it anyway. Doesn’t sound like you’re sorry.

Quelgeek
August 21, 2018 9:47 am

Read it carefully. The Onion is satirising AGW skepticism not (so-called) climate science.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Quelgeek
August 21, 2018 10:26 am

Quelnaif: A little bit of the Icy winters caused by global warming idea. Gotcha.

John Endicott
Reply to  Quelgeek
August 21, 2018 11:06 am

Quelgeek, while that is indeed the Onion’s intention, that doesn’t negate that the result can also be viewed the opposite way.

Put another way, in trying to satirize AGW skeptics they’ve inadvertently also satirized (so-called) climate science.

Fred250
Reply to  Quelgeek
August 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Putting climate change in the same class as, “whatever !”

That seems appropriate.

Tweak
Reply to  Quelgeek
August 22, 2018 2:33 am

Well, they misspelled “Slave”

Gary Pearse
August 21, 2018 10:14 am

Proof that it is all the product of a cabal of charlatans lies in the fact President Trump could cancel CAGW and the Parisite Accord with a few Tweets, a short speech on the Whitehouse Lawn and a signature or two.

I’ve tried to locate a classic photo of Trump mocking sea level rise with index finger and thumb an inch apart, but the Silicon Valley Revolutionary Guards have deep sized it in their search engine prison.

Kenji
August 21, 2018 10:26 am

You DO realize that we “deniers” are the butt of The Onion’s joke?

meticulous empirical studies … cabal of charlatans … secretly paid huge sums of money to trick everyone

That you’d have to be a conspiratorial nutbar to “believe” such far-fetched notions. They are mocking OUR healthy, reasoned, intelligent, skepticism as … utterly ridiculous. As much as I enjoy The Onion, they’ve bought into the Lie.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Kenji
August 21, 2018 10:37 am

Indeed. The onion is pretty lame these days as the types of simpletons that fall for Chicken Little sky is falling scaremongering generally aren’t capable of good humor.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kenji
August 21, 2018 11:14 am

“You DO realize that we “deniers” are the butt of The Onion’s joke?”

Yes we do. What the Onion thinks doesn’t change the science, or lack thereof. If they really knew the score they wouldn’t be making fun of skeptics.

Gary Pearse
August 21, 2018 10:30 am

Mods I take exception to deep sizing my modest post. Is it because I used the word “charlatans”, which was in the title of the article?!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 23, 2018 6:15 am

Maybe it’s because you keep “deep sizing”, whatever that is.

Joel Snider
August 21, 2018 10:44 am

Seriously, the Progressive left – particularly in regards to Climate Change – is literally a gold-mine for a genuine comedian – you couldn’t WRITE material like they’ve been coming up with.

I’m trying to imagine a Sam Kinison routine.

rbabcock
Reply to  Joel Snider
August 21, 2018 10:56 am

Boy I miss Kinison and Carlin. I think my forever best Kinison routine is the one sending U-Hauls to the people starving in the desert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNoJ2BzSRU

Kenji
Reply to  rbabcock
August 21, 2018 2:13 pm

Moove… mooove … MOOOOOOVVVVEE!!!
Too funny

August 21, 2018 11:03 am

My suggestion for an Onion headline:

New Poll Shows 97% of Climate Scientists Say they are in the 3% that Don’t Believe it’s Dangerous

John Endicott
August 21, 2018 11:14 am

“After reviewing our climate models and projections of worldwide CO2 emissions, we have come to the conclusion that the only scenario in which the human race survives is if our thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies on climate change turn out to be something we’ve been lying about all along,””

Unfortunately their “thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies” really only consists of “thousands upon thousands of computer models” that have thus far spectacularly failed at modeling the actual climate (hence the even widening gap between model predictions and actual temps)

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John Endicott
August 23, 2018 6:17 am

“Unfortunately their “thousands upon thousands of meticulous empirical studies” really only consists of “thousands upon thousands of computer models” that have thus far spectacularly failed at modeling the actual climate (hence the even widening gap between model predictions and actual temps)”

And the same small group of people using the same bad statistics with the same lame proxies. And then they call those studies “independent” verification.

Dreadnought
August 21, 2018 11:40 am

Jolly well said!

August 21, 2018 12:12 pm

Just because it hasn’t happened yet is no guarantee it won’t. We are pushing the limits faster than population is rising right now. But it’s a very Red Queen sort of game*.

comment image

CO2 and fossil fuel ain’t the problem. In 100 years fossil fuel may be.

In Southern Africa, water is a problem.
In other places food.
Or warmth. Or space for houses.
We need to slow the pace a bit and sort out what we want.

*”Well, in our country,” said Alice, still panting a little, “you’d generally get to somewhere else—if you run very fast for a long time, as we’ve been doing.”

“A slow sort of country!” said the Queen. “Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!”

DonK31
August 21, 2018 12:43 pm

Just a comment on the cartoon at the beginning of the post.
The default should have been “Save the World from XX!
Then the other sandwich board catastrophes could be able to be hungover, so to speak.

Aaron Barlow
August 21, 2018 2:00 pm

Many models back up their prognostications. Really? I don’t think so, provide one.

Lil Fella of Aus
August 21, 2018 3:42 pm

This is a little off the presence subject but I think it is important.
I wanted to know where a lot of the AGW warmers thinking comes from so I did an overview of philosophy by RC. One thing which came out of it was the thought of skepticism.
Today we live in a world of skepticism coupled with the postmodernist view of truth, ‘truth is what you make it.’ ‘Your truth and mine might differ.’
Therefore you get many ‘experts’ without facts.
Just recently I heard of two people who didn’t have any idea but who just supported AGW policies regardless of the cost.
It comes back to the old ‘if you hear it often enough you will believe (anything) it.’
It is quite ironic that many of the ‘experts’ on AGW will not debate a denier (so called) on TV or anywhere there is an audience.

hunter
August 21, 2018 3:48 pm

……Hmmmm…

The Daily Onion is making fun of skeptics.
That it accidentally shows how full of nothing burgers the consensus argument is, is beside the point.

Sylvia
August 21, 2018 5:34 pm

‘Believers’ should be highly suspicious of terms like ‘consensus’ and ‘denialism’. They should consider these simple questions:

How can there POSSIBLY be consensus on a prediction for which there is no precedent??? How can there POSSIBLY be consensus about the behaviour of a system that is so complex and so poorly understood?

Both “denialism” and ‘consensus’ only make sense regarding events that have been proven to have already occurred (and even then there will be debate), or future events that can be reliably predicted, due to reliable, long term patterns. We infer from the past all the time what is likely to happen in the future and reach consensus. For example, one might be said to be in denial if they stated that the coming summer will be colder than the winter, or that night temperatures are usually warmer than day temperatures.

The true ‘denialism’ therefore is from those who refuse to accept the historical data and all the long term geological patterns which show that CO2 has NEVER been the driver of climate. The true ‘denialism’ is from those who ignore the fact that even predictions made less than 30 years ago have failed to eventuate. Why do people ‘believe’ that longer term future predictions will be accurate, given the already failed predictions?

People are so gullible. I think it’s interesting that many ‘believers’ think they are better at critical thinking, and are more challenging of authority…speaking ‘truth to power’. It’s the exact opposite. It’s frightening how deferential, easily cowed and manipulated and uncritical most people are, and how they cleave to orthodoxy.

philsalmon
Reply to  Sylvia
August 22, 2018 12:12 am

Sylvia
How can there POSSIBLY be consensus on a prediction for which there is no precedent???

Exactly – there is no precedent for CO2 driving temperatures in climate history, the opposite is found, CO2 follows temperature and is nothing more than a proxy of temperature.

It is surprising indeed how many unquestioningly follow the AGW story. The left have found a successful vehicle for channeling people’s anxiety about a crowded and polluted world and taking them to a place of moral superiority. That is too sweet for most of them to let go despite evidence to the contrary.

An important vulnerability of this belief structure may prove to be the global greening issue. The evidence of profound benefit to the ecosystem from CO2 fertilisation keeps getting stronger. The AGW priesthood is finding it necessary to corral the faithful with increasingly earnest and dubious arguments about why more plant growth is actually bad (just “bad” is not even enough, apparently it’s “terrible” – see Kip Hansen’s recent WUWT posts on this.) Reasonable thinking people are coming closer to a place where they will realise they are being deceived.

Joe G
August 21, 2018 5:37 pm

CO2 is a simple molecule and only absorbs in three wavelengths (2.7; 4.3; 15 micrometers) that amount to 8% of what the Earth emits. And that the CO2 re-emits randomly only about half of that will be heading back towards the earth. I’m not sure but it seems like losing 96% > receiving back 4% @ 410PPM.

Herbert
August 21, 2018 5:38 pm

…..“one plus the truth equals a majority”.
So Professor Freeman Dyson plus the truth(“ the impact of greenhouse gases on the climate has been grossly exaggerated”) is a majority!
I always thought so.

Terry Harnden
August 21, 2018 6:00 pm

[snip . . OT . . mod]

Wally
August 21, 2018 10:37 pm

Indeed, overwhelming consensus proved witchcraft was fact.

philsalmon
August 21, 2018 11:41 pm

“Saying the time to act has come and gone,” the piece begins, “a group of researchers from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warned Tuesday that any hope for the future of humanity now hinges on the possibility that scientists like themselves are simply making all of this up.”

A Russian saying is very applicable to this:

“In every joke, a little bit is joke and the rest is true”.

Donald Kasper
August 22, 2018 12:59 am

Peak oil is very real and represents what is found in all oil field production, a bell curve. However, what the book failed to add is that if you keep adding bell curves to your oil production as new sources and new types of energy extraction come online, then you get a complex trend of their summation. As production of a world bell curve declines causing prices to increase, then previously uneconomical locations and methods become feasible and thusly, the bell curve is extended. These are new production bell curves. The first scare of the end of oil I am aware of is the story from my father who stated that in 1935 it was widely circulated all world oil had been found, and production was declining to our doom. He lived through that scare. That was before drilling for deep oil was possible, using drop hammer bits instead of drill bits with diamonds, no offshore exploration except the Louisiana swamp on shallow platforms in 10 ft of water, before Arctic drilling, and now before fracking. Each wave created its own peak oil curve.

ozspeaksup
August 22, 2018 4:01 am

some mindsets will go to their grave believing the agw scam. I met one this week
i was informed i was ignorant because? the ARCTIC was on fire!
and she really thinks it is
the smallish sections of sweden that are IN the arctic circle had some bushfires..but shes a AVAAZ member and she knows the truth..
i just said enjoy the cool-aid n left;-)

ferdberple
August 22, 2018 5:11 am

The beauty of satire. It shoots in both directions at the same time.

ferdberple
August 22, 2018 5:27 am

There is an old adage. “Everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it.”

Climate is the average of weather over 30 years. And when you average out all this talk without action over a period of 30 years you get the Paris Climate Agreement.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  ferdberple
August 23, 2018 6:22 am

“Climate is the average of weather over 30 years. And when you average out all this talk without action over a period of 30 years you get the Paris Climate Agreement.”

I think someone just pulled that number out of their butt ox. I don’t see any reason to think 30 years is any better than any other number.

philincalifornia
August 22, 2018 12:28 pm

For those in any doubt, The Onion was onto the charlatans last year:

“When reached for comment, the committee expressed its hope that the report would be used by governments around the globe to help them make forward-thinking, evidence-based decisions about how and when to euthanize their populations.”

https://www.theonion.com/new-climate-change-report-just-list-of-years-each-count-1819580403

Gerard O'Dowd
August 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Should the Leftist rallying cry be: “Malthus is dead. Long live Malthus.”

Jeff Alberts
August 22, 2018 9:16 pm

The Onion piece is spoofing skeptics, not alarmists.

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