Climate change and dinner parties: a guide

A somewhat humorous guide to conducting discussions on climate change in a social setting

Guest essay by Tilak K. Doshi

It was not long ago when the rule for polite conversation at dinner parties was to avoid religion or politics. If one could not find a neutral topic, then the suggestion was to “talk about the weather”. Alas, this is no long applicable, as the weather — like politics and religion — has become a controversial topic. Indeed, any freak or extreme weather event is almost invariably accompanied by a knowing nod and reference to climate change.

Belief in global warming has itself become a quasi-religion, and one is faced with the obvious choice between enlightened affirmation or “anti-science” denial. For those not willing to be bound by this binary straight-jacket, here is a list of reasonable positions to hold in any dinner party or social gathering of moderately well-informed people. Consider it as your passport to intelligent polite conversation while remaining true to a fair reading of a difficult and complex problem.

• “97% cannot be wrong”
This is perhaps the most misleading statement perpetrated by climate change alarmists. We are constantly told that there is a “consensus” of scientific opinion that human-caused climate changes are occurring and that radical changes in policy and behavior are required. A classic example is President Obama’s tweet: “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” The sub-text is obvious: “who are you to challenge this?”.
So, what exactly do scientists agree on?

The answer is that climate science experts have a variety of opinions, ranging from “the climate always changes” and “humans have some impact on climate” to “we are going to have catastrophic climate change if we don’t go all out to replace fossil fuels”. Most climate scientists would agree with the first two statements while expressing serious reservations, if not strong disagreement, with the third.

So, whenever one comes across the “97% consensus” reference, the best counter would be to first express agreement to the obvious while calling for sober reflection on the question as to “what is to be done”. Appropriate policy responses need to be consider all economic costs and benefits and their distribution across the population. Your dinner companions will not be able to fault you on this reasonable position.

• Extreme weather: told you so
Hardly any week passes by these days without some media report about extreme weather events and their alleged link to global warming. Yet there is little or no evidence linking specific weather events to climate change. This is the position held not only by many reputable scientists but by the large group of scientists involved in the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). According to the IPCC,

“…overall, there is no evidence that extreme weather events, or climate variability, has increased, in a global sense, through the 20th century…”.

The weather and the climate change are two different phenomena, one contingent and short-term, the other cumulative and long run (exceeding 30 years). The links between the two are tenuous and causality is difficult to prove under our current state of knowledge. The adage “one swallow does not a summer make” not only will remind your fellow dinner party guests about this basic distinction, but will score you brownie points with respect to your literary bent.

• The axis of evil: coal, oil and gas
In these days when “green” is a measure of one’s virtue, and all out support (at tax-payers’ expense) for solar and wind energy an enlightened position to hold, the truth is far less convenient. The development of human civilization is also a story of the development of fossil fuels. From the use of wood, straw and cow-dung since time immemorial, the extraordinary growth of fossil fuels beginning with coal mining and the industrial revolution in the 19th century has provided cheap and reliable energy for the needs of ordinary people around the globe. It has saved forests and alleviated backbreaking human effort, delivering higher standards of living for those lucky to go up the energy consumption chain.

The chief economic advisor to the Indian government Arvind Subramanian recently stated that India, like other developing countries, cannot allow the narrative of “carbon imperialism” to come in the way of realistic planning. The latter would include adopting the best technology in the use of cheap coal for power generation, increasing the use of cleaner fossil fuels such as natural gas, and recognizing the hidden costs of intermittency of newer technologies such as wind and solar power.

After the vast investments by Germany on these newer technologies in its rush to phase out nuclear power, its leading news magazine Der Spiegel ran a story about the country’s energy poverty subtitled “How Electricity Became a Luxury Good”. This example will come in handy if you are speaking to a visiting guest from the West. You will have made it clear that not only we in the East might have a legitimately different perspective, but even among the OECD countries there are serious unresolved issues with dramatically reducing dependence on fossil fuels.

• The end of the world: “what about our children?”
Emotional blackmail is not an uncommon occurrence at dinner parties, and this is a line often used by the alarmists. But your dinner party interlocuter cannot hide behind a blanket charge of “catastrophe”. The best current models that link climate change and economic impacts come up with costs of 10% or less of the global gross domestic product by the year 2100 and beyond. As the University of Chicago economist John Cochrane puts it, “that’s a lot of money but that’s a lot of years too”. Between now and then, it may well be smarter to ensure high economic growth and healthy R&D budgets for new technologies to adapt to climate change.

It is not just climate change that is the source of Armageddon scenarios. What about nuclear war by a rogue state, a super-colossal volcanic eruption, or a global pandemic as antibiotics lose out in the struggle against constantly evolving viruses? “Buy insurance”, your dinner party friend might counter, possibly with a smirk. Well, as anyone with a limited budget would be aware, buying insurance at high premiums for all sorts of potentially catastrophic risks will lead you to soon run out of money. Your dinner party friend will be reminded that global warming policy must compete for scarce resources with policies to mitigate other credible threats to human welfare including the scourges of malaria, dirty water and child malnutrition afflicting the human condition now.

By now, you will have come out of your dinner party conversations as a reasonable observer of the climate change debate in an Eastern context. You will have imparted much-needed moderation to some of your more excitable, band-wagon dinner party friends. Who knows, you might even get a date, or if already married, your partner will love you even more for your fine (meteorological) mind.

An earlier version of this story was originally published in the Asia Times on September 29th, 2017:
http://www.atimes.com/dinner-parties-climate-change-guide/ 


Dr. Tilak K. Doshi is a consultant in energy economics, and is the author of “Singapore in a Post-Kyoto World: Energy, Environment and the Economy” published by the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (Singapore, 2015).

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Roger Knights
July 15, 2018 9:13 am

I suggest that some organization like OTA or SEPP or Heartland or … print paperback-book-with (4.5 inches) booklets containing our side’s points and counterpoint vs. warmists’ claims. Such already exist—and could be modified and improved. Here’s a link to Jo Nova’s “Skeptic’s Handbook”: http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_lq.pdf It could / should be given away in the millions.

A man’s inner jacket breast pocket is 4.75 inches wide, and could hold half a dozen such booklets, assuming they’re no more tax 24 pages each. Merely handing over the booklet and requesting one’s opponent to comment on it after he’s read it would keep things calm and get them on a higher level when the next meeting occurs.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
July 15, 2018 2:07 pm

PS: Steve Gorham’s “Mad … World of Climatism” is something that could be mined (with permission), as well as other punchy books. There should be shorty links provided to allow readers to drill deeper.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
July 15, 2018 4:32 pm

Another thought: Put many books and articles, including graphics and active links, onto a thumb drive and hand those out to promote climate change skepticism!! Those drives cost only $2 or so wholesale, right?

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
July 16, 2018 10:00 pm

PS: Or onto a CD-ROM or DVD.

July 15, 2018 10:08 am

“Global warming hysteria is promoted by scoundrels and believed by imbeciles.”

There is no point in discussing issue with imbeciles, especially issues like global warming alarmism.

The best thing you can say to warmists is to politely ask them to never vote, and never have children.

The world and the human gene pool will benefit from their sacrifice.

Regards, Allan 🙂

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/13/dangerous-pseudo-science-in-cyber-security/#comment-2403676

{excerpt]

When I compare recent generations to my father’s generation, aka the Great Generation, it is clear that the population is getting much stupider. Based on fundamentals, this will continue until we have a Darwin event and the stupidest die off.

The Great Generation fought and won WW2, won the Peace, and then won the Cold War. This enabled the current feeble-minded generations to flourish, and the Millennials and the Snowflakes are the culmination of this regressive process.

I recently posted this premise. It does not JUST apply to global warming alarmism – it applies to all the many manias of the idiot political left.

“Global warming hysteria is promoted by scoundrels and believed by imbeciles.”
– Allan MacRae

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 16, 2018 7:35 am

There you go making sense again. Better watch your six.

GaryH845
July 15, 2018 10:41 am

” Extreme weather: told you so Hardly any week passes by these days without some media report about extreme weather events and their alleged link to global warming.”

Indeed – Lead op-ed in today’s [Sunday’s] Los Angeles Times (LAT’s is the nation’s 4th largest newspaper – over a million read Sunday’s): Climate change is behind the global heat wave. Why won’t the media say it? — Despite clear evidence, reporters rarely tie extreme weather to global warming

When you stop laughing at those insane claims . .

First of all, I assume that the author, (ass’t prof at UC Santa Barbara), is implying ACC, and AGW – why don’t they ever say what they mean?

“Last week’s heat wave brought record temperatures to S CA.” Bla bla bla –

What caused this three day heat wave, back in July 1981 – Downtown LA (all 3 are still standing records)?

July 24, 1891 – 103
July 25, 1891 – 109 – Also till standing as the all time record high for the month of July.
July 26, 1891 – 102

No UHI effect back then, either (those darn horse farts). Of course, he’s lying from the start; journalists are carrying the water for these kooks every day of the week (Hey dude – they even published your ridiculous op-ed today).

But here’s where he looses the entire thing, in my view:

“Scientists have been churning out evidence of human-caused climate change for more than a century.”

Besides that being incorrect – the evidence thing – what’s this ‘century’ thing? Is not the ‘consensus’ that since somewhere between 1950 and the 1970’s CO2 had risen enough such that an observable/measurable human footprint on GW, AGW, could be found. I don’t imagine that more than a handful of the loudest alarmist scientists – would actually go on record saying that there was any evidence that AGW was causing – altering – making worse, etc – other forms of climate prior to the birth of AGW during that period.

Footnote – When speaking of CC/GW, etc – we so-called skeptics should always distinguish between naturally occurring CC/GW and ACC/AGW. My first response to anyone bringing up CC, is “Do you mean man-made global warming; being some additional warming over and above naturally occurring? Or, do you mean CC, other than the Earth’s normal constant, and dramatic, CC — that being caused by some bit of additional warming – that man-made bit?”

That almost always reveals that they know nothing about the Earth’s climate history – except the past few decades (which are unlike anything the Earth has ever experience before’); in other words, they forgot everything that they learned in 7th, or 8th grade general science – or geology.

michael hart
July 15, 2018 10:54 am

“…or a global pandemic as antibiotics lose out in the struggle against constantly evolving viruses?”

As a medicinal chemist, I may be able to help when the world finally wanst to spend money on new antibiotics rather than pi$$ it down the drain on worse than we thought climate-catastrophe models. But you don’t treat viral infections with antibiotics.

Tilak Doshi
Reply to  michael hart
July 15, 2018 6:43 pm

Thanks for pointing out the mistake ‘re virus and antibiotics. I am aware of this but mistakenly used the term virus instead of bacteria. Other commentators also pointed out this mistake.

Richard Wright
July 15, 2018 10:55 am

Asking dinner party guests what percent of the atmosphere is actually CO2 can be a lot of fun.

GaryH845
Reply to  Richard Wright
July 15, 2018 12:29 pm

Suggest that the ice cubes in their Charles Shaw Chardonnay – LOL – are affecting their cognitive abilities, much more than CO2 is affecting the climate.

jorgekafkazar
July 15, 2018 11:54 am

Being a Leftist boor means never having to say you’re sorry.

July 15, 2018 12:51 pm

I find a polite response to the 97% claim is always; “Mm, so what do you think of the work of Dr Spencer or Pielke on the subject?”

100% thus questioned so far have returned blank looks.

July 15, 2018 12:58 pm

IMO The best way to impress your Progressive female guests is to offer them the Dan Aykroyd to Jane Curtain opening response as a counter-point to their inane illogic of consensus climate pseudo-science.
https://youtu.be/c91XUyg9iWM

SkepticalWarmist
July 15, 2018 1:16 pm

I believe the quote from the IPCC regarding extreme weather is from the IPCC’s second assessment report (SAR / AR2). A better informed advocate would quote from the much more recent AR5 or SREX.

Is there any mechanism for alerting the editors to errors (after publication fact checking) that might result in a correction to the article?

ossqss
July 15, 2018 1:21 pm

I always point folks to the Doran Zimmerman 97% study and let them read it for themselves, or point them to the Cook study critiques. It becomes very clear the 97% item is just green fantasy.

JWG53
July 15, 2018 4:24 pm

I don’t try to debate their faith in climate change, but since they think CO2 is bad, I start off by blaming the rise in CO2 on liberal environmentalists. This gets their attention but after I remind them how they completely shut down nuclear energy in 1979 and forced us to build coal fired powered plants instead, they start quieting down. The US had plans to build about 40 more reactors in 1979 that didn’t get built. Think of all the CO2 added to the atmosphere as a result, not to mention all the other pollutants, SO2, NOx, particulate, CO, etc. And remember acid rain? Primitative scrubbing technology in the ’80s coupled with the additional coal fired plants gave us the acid rain problem. I blame environmentalists. Acid rain is no longer a problem since we developed clean coal technology in the ’90s. But I’m not done with them yet! The Montreal Protocol in the early ’90s forced the world to change from R12 to other refrigerants that weren’t as efficient, most of them at a 30% loss of efficiency! That’s 30% more energy needed (i.e. CO2) for every auto, home, office building, store, industry, etc. worldwide! The western world had to comply by 1994 (curiously the same year the IPCC was organized). So environmentalists forced us to put even more CO2 into the air with this edict. They usually change the subject after this.

drednicolson
Reply to  JWG53
July 16, 2018 2:02 pm

An underappreciated debate tactic. Assume the other party’s point for the sake of argument, and simply take it to its ultimate conclusion.

Reed Coray
July 15, 2018 5:33 pm

My suggestion to a “Green” dinner party guest is to tell him/her that you have been doing your part to prevent global warming by sequestering CO2; and for a small fee you’ll upgrade their vacuum thermos bottles by filling the vacuum space with some of your sequestered CO2. That way, (a) he/she can contribute to the sequestering of CO2, and (b) the heat-trapping property of CO2 gas will keep his/her Starbucks’ latte heated for a longer period of time.

Let me know if anyone accepts your offer.

Simon
July 15, 2018 9:17 pm

Whenever the topic comes up I direct people to this excellent easy to understand explanation of the science as it stands. From the Royal Society, it is hard fault.
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://royalsociety.org/~/media/royal_society_content/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/climate-change-evidence-causes.pdf

lpn
July 15, 2018 11:03 pm

You might also check what’s on that dinner party menu.
How far did it have to come? (transported via the use of fossil fuels)
Where was it grown or raised? Were forests cut down to create that coffee plantation?
Does your drink have bubbles in it? That CO2, you know.
Is your water bottled? Oh, the plastic!

Anyway – one must always be aware of the personal sacrifice needed as well if you are seriously concerned.

Mike Higton
July 16, 2018 3:04 am

When the specific issue of windpower comes up I enjoy asking “Why did we stop using sailing ships to transport goods worldwide? With modern materials the sails and hull could be made very strong and lightweight. Power winches and electronic aids would minimise crew numbers. So why don’t we see any?”

The answers are unavoidable: wind is unreliable, intermittent and weak as a power source.

July 16, 2018 4:08 am

I just tell them there is no WV increase hence no +ve feedback. They soon shut up when they realise they haven’t a clue what the science actually says. Then you can mention ERBE. Lack of troposphere hot spot. LAI. Crop yields increasing.

If they come back with ‘yes, but it is less nutritious’ point out they are eating white bread. etc etc etc

Zo6
July 16, 2018 4:43 am

“…overall, there is no evidence that extreme weather events, or climate variability, has increased, in a global sense, through the 20th century…”.

The last time I argued about this IPCC’s position at a dinner party, I was asked the reference on IPCC’s site or report but I wasn’t able to do so.

Has anyone a link to this position? Thanks in advance.

Tilak Doshi
Reply to  Zo6
July 16, 2018 8:22 am
Zo6
Reply to  Tilak Doshi
July 18, 2018 6:50 am

Thanks.

Dr. Strangelove
July 16, 2018 5:35 am

In today’s dinner parties, people talk about everything except science. A far cry from the “science salons” of the 18th century, the Age of Enlightenment. Intellectuals then organize parties and invite scientists to discuss science. The first woman physicist (Emilie du Chatelet) and the first woman math professor (Maria Agnesi) learned science from the salons in their homes.

Chatelet learned astronomy at age 10

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Agnesi gave talks in science salons at age 15

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Greg
July 16, 2018 6:33 pm

I just ask them if they know the definition of climate which they usually don’t.
“So you believe in climate change but you don’t know what climate is?”
Then I simply move on…