Guest Essay by Kip Hansen
Long ago and far away — that is, in August of last year and in the scientific field called Demography — a great controversy arose and sparked calls for a retraction and accusations of a scholarly paper falling “outside the bounds of scholarly decorum” and labeling its findings as being “morally irresponsible”.
Note: This essay is not primarily about Climate Science per se but is more about the philosophy of science. If your only interest is CliSci, you can skip this one. — kh
While the findings and methods of the paper were subject to varying opinions and valid alternative views, the primary objections to the paper were not that its findings were incorrect — that is, not factual — but rather that they violated the long-standing worldview — the prevailing bias — of the scientific field called Demography.
Before the necessary discussion on the morality of science findings, let’s look at the story that brought up the controversy above.
In July 2017, a demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau, Daniel Goodkind, writing as an individual (not in his official capacity), published a paper in the journal Demography titled: The Astonishing Population Averted by China’s Birth Restrictions: Estimates, Nightmares, and Reprogrammed Ambitions.
China’s no-longer-in-force “One Child Policy” [Bias Warning: the Wiki page linked leans heavily to one side of the issue] has been considered a coercive and draconian policy at odds with the values of the Western free world. It was in place in communist China, in various forms, from 1979 until recently lifted in 2015, in an effort to prevent run-away population growth. The government of China has gone on record claiming that the policy averted 400 million births — and Western (and some Chinese) demographers have consistently attempted to refute and disprove — debunk — that claim.
Daniel Goodkind, in his paper states: ”Population experts have dismissed official estimates that the program averted 400 million births as greatly exaggerated (Basten and Jiang 2014; Cai 2010; Greenhalgh 2010; Wang et al. 2013; Whyte et al. 2015)” — and points out that these very same authors are the ones in active advocacy — acting from “a preoccupation with eliminating one-child restrictions”.
A report in the journal Science relates that “Hania Zlotnik, former director of the United Nations Population Division in New York City, …. notes that the sheer size of China’s population can compound the effect of shaky statistics for the birth rate and other indicators. She says Goodkind’s paper could appeal to non-China specialists interested in “us[ing] it politically” to demonstrate the impact of quickly reducing the birth rate. That is precisely what Wang and Cai fear. In a 17 August email to Matthews, Wang blasted Goodkind’s paper as “morally irresponsible.” He and Cai called on Demography to withdraw the paper or provide the peer reviewers’ comments. In an email to Science in 2016, Goodkind wrote that an earlier paper had encountered “ferocious resistance” during peer review. Stephen Matthews, a co-editor of Demography and demographer at Pennsylvania State University in State College, noted that Goodkind’s latest paper “went through the standard double-blind peer review process” and underwent revisions before publication.”
Goodkind’s conclusions, in addition to the major finding that “China’s one-child program itself averted a population of 400 million by 2015”, included:
“Conclusion: On Science, Advocacy, and the Post-One-Child Era — In the last dozen years of China’s one-child era, most experts dismissed the government’s view that its birth planning program played a central role in controlling population growth. Greenhalgh (2003:166) went even further, claiming that the very “ideas about China’s population problem . . . were actively fabricated by Chinese population scientists using numbers, numerical pictures (such as tables and graphs), and numerical techniques (such as projections)” and that China’s “virtual ‘population crisis’” was a misconstruction of “scientizing rhetorics” (p. 163), the key objective of the author being “to clear the way for fresh consideration of policy alternatives [to one child restrictions]” (p. 166). Other experts seemed to agree, linking arms to dispute the demographic impact of the one-child program (Basten and Jiang 2014; Cai 2010; Gu and Cai 2011; Morgan et al. 2009; Sen 2015; Wang et al. 2013, 2016; Whyte et al. 2015; Zhang and Zhao 2005; Zhao 2015; Zheng et al. 2009).”
and
“These questions will be debated for decades to come. Reliable answers must begin with alternate scenarios of China’s population growth. Demographers have the honor of lighting the way forward given their ability to navigate this specialized realm of measurements and relations. With accusations of “bad science” being hurled so often at China’s birth planners in decades past, population experts should be more careful to ensure the soundness of their own science. Perhaps that ambition will be better achieved now that the era of one-child limits in China is officially, finally, behind us.”
Mainstream demographers had been in an advocacy battle with the government of China in an attempt to bring about a change in the One-Child Policy — which they considered morally repugnant. These policy-advocating demographers had spent years writing papers attacking the official figures issued by the Chinese government with accusations ranging from “actively fabricat[ing]” ideas, numbers and charts to “scientizing rhetorics” then descending to the level of naming them as “deceptive boasts”, “myths” and “entirely bogus.” — all in the interest of political advocacy for the revocation of the One Child Policy.
When Goodkind validates the Chinese claims on population reduction success of the policy, his findings, even though they had been subjected to standard double-blind peer review and revision process of the leading journal of demographics, are labelled by the very same policy-advocating demographers as “morally irresponsible” and his criticisms of previously biased research as being “outside the bounds of scholarly decorum”.
In this incident, what I see is a field of study that has apparently taken a values-position on a research topic and allowed that values-judgement to bias and taint their work to the point that their findings are knowingly or unknowingly, intentional or unintentionally, skewed to agree with their political advocacy goals and support their value-judgement. The prevailing bias in the field, in this case demography, thus leads to attacks on any research finding contrary to the bias — on moral grounds.
This situation may remind you of another field of study — Climate Science.
It is unnecessary here to detail the long, nearly endless, list of attacks on any and all that do solid science, find valid and important results, only to find themselves, because their findings or opinions differ from the prevailing view, labelled as immoral, even criminal, anti-science “Climate Deniers” with all the implications of moral bankruptcy associated Holocaust Deniers — those who deny that the Jewish Holocaust ever occurred.
Climate Science as a branch of science has become so closely associated with certain social values, political views and policy solutions that its current consensus view has been granted by its practitioners a [false] mantle of Moral Rectitude — a viewpoint that has become a socially enforced Moral Imperative. Those who practice Right Thinking, or who at least engage in Virtue Signaling by appearing to agree, are rewarded with professional acceptance and promotion. Those who insist on simply following the science where it leads, who insist on questioning dogma and questioning findings of “Accepted Climate Science”, are condemned, vilified and labelled as moral degenerates.
Some skeptical scientists have been the victims of malicious professional character assassination. Others are relentlessly attacked by those who should be their colleagues with public statements that in other countries would see them in court for libel.
Immoral Science?
Is it possible to perform unethical, immoral science? Of course it is. Intentionally harming human test subjects or withholding proven beneficial medical treatments as part of a medical trial have long been held to be unethical and morally wrong. Universities and other research organizations have established Ethics Review Committees to make these judgements before research can be carried out. In some segments of society it is considered immoral to experiment on animals without due regard for their suffering — and, again, there are Ethics Committees that try to sort through the values — the harms and benefits — of this difficult question.
Does Science, as an enterprise, have to address the issues raised in the Science report of the demography controversy?
At issue is “how scientists as human beings should ask questions,” Wang [Wang Feng of the University of California, Irvine] says. Goodkind says that demographers routinely attempt to estimate the impact of famines and other events on populations, and that the one-child policy should be no different: “Well-grounded estimates are what they are, and they go where they go.”
Others say that the debate over values sparked by the paper is long overdue. Population research “has political implications,” Riley notes. [Nancy Riley, a demographer at Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine] “Demography has to start owning up to it.”
Should Climate Science researchers consider social values in “how they should ask questions?” Are there climate questions that should not be asked? — Or not asked that way? — out of sensitivity for social/political/preferred-policy values?
Should the popularity of Environmentalism or Naturalism or Anti-Corporatism or Anti-Fossil-Fuel-ism in Western societies restrict or re-focus research into the causes or effects of the Earth’s climate, static or changing, so as not to arrive at findings that might offend prevailing social or political sensitives?
Should climate research limit its published findings to only those that support or agree with prevailing political viewpoints and policy preferences — in recognition that research “has political implications”? Must researchers consider the political implications of the their findings before publication or, in the worst case, alter their findings in light of political implications?
Should scientists such as Goodkind, Tim Ball, Willie Soon, Lennart Bengtsson , Richard Lindzen, Roger Pielke Jr., Susan Crockford or Judith Curry [and far too many others] be ostracized by their colleagues? — and be punished for their temerity of publishing honest, scientifically correct findings that “are what they are” and data that “go where they go”? — all on the basis “how the findings might be used politically?” Some of those named here have been so punished and explicitly for that reason — their findings are “not helpful” to The Cause or might be “used by the deniers” to discredit or weaken The Consensus.
Let’s ask these questions:
Which of the following two characterizes Morally Irresponsible Science?
- Science knowingly performed in the service of confirmation of the existing consensus of a science field, just to play it career-safe?
or
- Science performed to discover what is actually going on with the subject and simply and straightforwardly reporting the results?
Which of the two represents Immoral Behavior of Scientists?
- Defending a majority view against all criticism, regardless of the scientific soundness of that criticism?
- Defending the honor and integrity of Science by insisting on asking good questions and publishing honest, unbiased results, even if they disagree with the majority view?
Which of the two represents the Ethics Expected of a Scientist?
- Supporting all good (scientifically correct) science findings, even if they don’t agree with one’s personal opinions or the prevailing bias or consensus in a field?
- Attempting to shut down any competing scientific opinion and prevent its publication or discussion in the press? Or if that fails, attacking the competing researcher(s) on a personal level?
The controversy among the demographers raises good questions for all branches of science to consider. In it, we see the adverse influence of policy-preferences polluting the application of good science and of cadres of experts “linking arms” in the support of a political or social goal resulting in the suppression of valid research results in their field. Researchers in the field that buck the cadre and publish contrary findings are attacked, ostracized and labelled as being morally irresponsible.
The travesty of such a situation in Science is much more easily seen when looking in at someone else’s field than it is to see when one is surrounded by the same sort of controversy in one’s own field.
Scientific societies, rather than publishing Official Statements on Climate Change, in which they state their allegiance to a set of social/political dogmatic talking points, would be better served by clearly establishing Codes of Ethics for their members in support of strict adherence to the scientific method and the true values of disinterested, unbiased scientific research and to the requirements of collegial conduct that allow science to flourish and advance.
The AGU, which is the primary scientific society for climate researchers, made a good start in this direction in 2017 with the issuance of a Code of Conduct to apply at its meetings and with the issuance of an updated Ethics Policy based on these principles. Judith Curry covered this in part at her blog Climate Etc. Excerpts of the two policy follow:
Code of Conduct: Expected Behavior (excerpts)
- All participants, attendees, AGU staff, and vendors are treated with respect and consideration, valuing a diversity of views and opinions.
- Be considerate, respectful, and collaborative.
- Communicate openly with respect for others, critiquing ideas rather than individuals.
- Avoid personal attacks directed toward other attendees, participants, AGU staff, and suppliers/vendors.
AGU Scientific Integrity and Professional Ethics: Principles (exerpts)
- Excellence, integrity, and honesty in all aspects of research
- Personal accountability in the conduct of research and the dissemination of the results
- Professional courtesy, equity, and fairness in working with others
- Freedom to responsibly pursue science without interference or coercion
- Unselfish cooperation in research
- Good stewardship of research and data on behalf of others
Seeming violations of many of these principles are common in Climate Science today. Many of the Code of Conduct rules are reported to be routinely and gleefully violated at conferences in regards to climate skeptics. At present, it is unclear whether the AGU Ethics Policy and Code of Conduct will be actually enforced for anything other than blatant scientific misconduct (plagiarism, falsification of results, etc.) or violations of standards affected by diversity issues.
Perhaps we, each of us, can do better — starting with our own conduct, extending our influence to our immediate associates and colleagues and working through our professional societies to encourage first, then enforce if necessary, expected behavior.
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Note: The author is not a climate scientist — he is a science essayist, a writer, and his field, science journalism, has its own set of standards and codes of conduct. Some of them are delineated in the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics.
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Author’s Comment Policy:
I try to read all of the comments that follow my essays here and elsewhere. If you start your comment with “Kip…” I will respond the best I can to your question or concern.
This essay, about professional conduct, may raise some blood pressures and tempt some readers to lash out at those they feel have acted unprofessionally. Please try to rein in those emotions and remain constructive.
Like many who read here, I have had my share of being mocked and vilified at anti-skeptic websites….I have considered it a Badge of Honor. Although my amateur writing career has not been destroyed by The Climate Team and their cabal of character assassins, I do have the experience of losing an executive position and a career — hounded out of an organization for doing the right thing — and having to start over from scratch. I mention this only so that those who have been harmed by climate zealots know that I do understand where they’re coming from.
I’d prefer that the discussion focus on how we can act to reset the moral compass of science in general.
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Kip
“I’d prefer that the discussion focus on how we can act to reset the moral compass of science in general.”
For myself, my self-imposed rule: “Stick to what you know; listen intently otherwise.”
RiHo08 ==> You could add “The ability to ask good questions is rarer and more valuable than the ability to give good answers.”
One thing I’ve been noticing lately is that the people who most vehemently complain about the lack of ethics and invest in ad hominem attacks are the ones that are actually doing the things they are attacking others for. Obvious here, in climate “science”, politics, and in the rest of academia
If Democrats can play politics with painful racial issues and sexual harassment, they are certainly capable of play politics with science.
Can You Spot the Racist?
Where were the 500 Women “Scientists” when we needed them? The above videos highlight just how dangerous it is to entrust a Nation to Progressives.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/02/08/can-you-spot-the-racist/
Another area where certain findings just won’t get publicity and it seems to be due to the fact that it may undermine certain policy preferences. “No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer ”
https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/105/24/1844/2517805
Randy ==> I do believe that any of these tobacco and air pollution issues are ruled my a field wide bias and have required results.
Kip, this blog and others are full of discussion about the perversion of science, the failures of peer review, and the maltreatment of any scientist, or anyone else for that matter, who fails to toe the line. This is all certainly true and we’ve all read plenty of examples. That climate science has become principally a political movement is beyond doubt.
What concerns me is the lack of any apparent evidence to the contrary – i.e. situations where skeptic scientists are supported by their institutions and where the conduct of science has been as it should be. Surely there are instances where this is the case, but unfortunately our polarized world works in such a way that people of one opinion never talk with people of the other (except in blogs and on twitter where one side feels obligated to to insult and belittle the other).
What I would like to hear about are instances where (1) skeptics/contrarians respect the opinions of knowledgable believers/warmists, and vice versa, and where both sides can and actually do find common ground and learn something from the other; and 2), where in academia and other scientific circles there are skeptics who are actually treated with respect and perhaps even rewarded for their courage.
Am I the only one who is interested in hearing about this? In instances where a skeptic scientist is treated with respect, what is it about his/her personality or modus operandi that leads to this result? Are instances of skeptical failure or maltreatment sometimes not the result of inflexible colleagues who have a different opinion? Is the atmosphere of all academic institutions such that a contrarian can’t get a fair hearing?
I’d like to hear answers to these questions. I get weary of reading every day that our side is always without fault and that the other side is always corrupt and unfair. This is not an accurate reflection of reality and we all should know it, but we don’t act like we know it. To paraphrase Tim Ball, maybe we need to be more skeptical of our skepticism. You don’t learn much when all you hear or read about is one view.
Nice idea scraft1.
But …
After 22 years of reading 85 to 250 political articles per day (and all of their replies and critiques and “me-too’s) on other sites; and after reviewing over 1.8 million Global Warming replies and stories here at WUWT, I have never heard of ANY case where climastrologists (CAGW warmists in the political, academic OR propaganda (er, news) businesses) have EVER treated a skeptic with the rational, analytical discussion and review you espouse.
“Is the atmosphere of all academic institutions such that a contrarian can’t get a fair hearing?”
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: You oughta get out more. If you’re cloistered and not interacting with PC-Progressive haters of humanity, then you won’t get to see what’s happening around their campfire.
The haters of humanity are on full-throated attack mode 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. All they have is hatred. It is the nature of their belief system.
Visit their websites. Visit their Facebook sites. Go to their rallies. Go to their meetings. Read their magazines.
Visit a university. Attend a Global Warming “science” event.
You can find all of this on the internet. Or you can get out and experience it in person.
They are at war with reality. And it drives them mad.
Good luck with your search!
scraft1 ==> “Is the atmosphere of all academic institutions such that a contrarian can’t get a fair hearing?” YES — I am afraid that is the case — see The Heterodox Academy or The College Fix as examples of the problems of The Academy.
Note that the Skeptical side of the climate divide has its own band of zealots as well, that give a bad name to climate skepticism.
If you want both sides of a polarized story — you have to read both sides.
You certainly won;t catch me saying “our side has no faults” — but you will seldom catch me calling individuals names either.
I hear you though — wouldn’t it be nice to have a real journalistic science news outlet somewhere, that simply reports the news?
“Is the atmosphere of all academic institutions such that a contrarian can’t get a fair hearing?” YES — I am afraid that is the case”
You’re telling me that there isn’t a single institution that treats skeptics fairly? Yeah, sure. And it’s becoming clear that blog denizens here had rather live in their echo chamber than be perceived as a friend of the enemy.
“If you want both sides of a polarized story — you have to read both sides.” Gee, thanks for the sage advice Kip.
Don’t worry, you’ll always be treated well here.
scraft1 ==> I would be thrilled to discover that there was a major university anywhere where climate skeptics or social conservatives were welcomed, newly hired as professors and whose research findings were lauded in University Press Releases. If you know of one, please let us know.
[Another topic that I follow very closely, along with friends who are nationally involved in higher education issues, is the problems of today’s Academy.]
Will be happy to so report. But I thought we were talking about any academic institution, not just “major universities”.
scraft1 ==> I actually know of a couple of very small, intentionally, by-design, conservation/Christian-based colleges around — rarer than Hen’s Teeth. When we say The Academy, we are generally referring to the over-all body of major universities and colleges.
But if you can a few others, I am always looking for somewhere to direct my grandchildren….
Any pretense that America’s universities and colleges are not approaching unity with the Liberal/Progressive/Democrat/and-further-left crowd is disingenuous.
Kip. How to reset the moral compass?Use pride. Before animals could think they only felt. One thing they felt strongly was that their chances of survival were closely linked to their status in the pack. High status meant more and better of the two things that determined whether your line survives or dies, feeding and breeding. The value of pride is almost nothing for an animal that thinks but we still feel it. We feel pride so strongly that we appeal to it when we want soldiers to die in battle or teenagers to drive fast and crash their cars. A rational thinking animal would just laugh at the thought of using a survival emotion to convince a creature to not survive but who among us it truly rational.
Pride is such a strong emotion that the only way to counter act it is with – Pride. We need to make people proud of how humble they are. Weird? Yes! but it works. People need to be proud of their ability to entertain ideas that disagree with their own. They need to be proud of their ability to tell the truth. Those enemies who are trying to kick you out of the herd are obeying instincts that were laid down when we still looked like mice. True humans are everything that animals are not. A true human believes something because it is true not because the herd believes it. A true human says something because its true not because it will elevate his status in the pack. A true human can survive and prosper without doing things that animals do or for the reasons that animals do them, and be proud of the fact.
Of all people scientists should be open to this line of reasoning. Scientist should be more intelligent that the rest of us. Whether they are or not I’m sure that they think that they are. Appeal to this to encourage scientists to see themselves the way, I believe, we really are. We are blind, stupid, irrational apes with a little rational human riding in our forehead trying desperately to control things.
Good Luck
Joel Sprenger ==> Thank you for taking the topic of the essay to heart and expressing your opinion. Appreciated.
If there is no God(s), who Created the universe, there is no morality in any universal sense, it seems obvious to me. A bacterium that initiates the reader’s death through disease, is not doing anything immoral, it’s “surviving” in the genetic coding sense. The new alpha male lion that dispatches the previous alpha’s cubs is not doing anything immoral, it is enhancing the likelihood that it’s particular genetic coding continues on.
Thing is, when people get hook, line and sinkerish about the grand origins story of just “natural” Evolution, and believe without skepticism that it is true, they don’t (generally) go wild trying to maximally ensure that their genetic coding continues on . . In fact, it seems they often lose interest in having kids at all . . which actually makes sense in a “hereafterless” universe. The existence of one’s genetic inheritors, or not, means nothing more than the existence of that bacterium’s particular coding . .
You can want the people who believe there is no Later to be concerned about what comes later all you like, but there is no logical reason for them to do so, it seems to me. Logically speaking, the only imperative in such a situation is to have as much pleasure and as little pain as possible, before exiting the stage, so to speak.
Leo: “…the inconvenient truth is that science has nothing to do with morals or ethics.” Strange comment! The results of research are amoral, and science is not a good tool on its own for determining values.
However, the practice of science has a very strong ethical basis, and ethics in science is an extremely important subject.
From the essay:
“It is unnecessary here to detail the long, nearly endless, list of attacks on any and all that do solid science, find valid and important results, only to find themselves, because their findings or opinions differ from the prevailing view, labelled as immoral, even criminal, anti-science…”
The climate scientist majority is attacked hundreds of times a day on this site, both in the articles and the comments, using exactly these words.
There are explicit and implicit guidelines for the way scientists should conduct themselves for the ongoing good of the profession. They should not publicly castigate scientific institutions, as Dr. Ridd did, without concrete evidence of misconduct. They should not go to the media to air their personal grudges. They should not affiliate themselves or act as spokesmen for policy advocates like Heartland and CEI while working for public institutions. They need to declare funding sources, especially from special interest groups when it creates a conflict of interest. They should not let such groups be part of the research or publication process at any step. Willie Soon broke these protocols and has deservedly lost credibility in the general science community. Even so, his science was still considered.
Apparently many people around here are under the mistaken impression that contrarian science is ignored because it doesn’t support the majority view, which in reality it’s refuted or inapplicable. For instance, there are scads of papers out there about solar variations and their effects on climate change. Obviously this is an essential part of climate and the energy balance on Earth, and of course it’s been considered by the consensus! The mistake is in assuming that it OUGHT to be given greater weight in climate change predictions without knowing the reasons it’s not.
It’s understandable that people have ostracized Curry and Soon and others who publicly malign science. Outsiders don’t realize the gravity of such accusations or the harm that can come of them. Science is worthless without the professional integrity of its practitioners. Science needs a reputation of non-bias to be an effective provider of information, and those who damage it either through misconduct or unsupported, public accusations of it are not tolerated. (I don’t know, but I suspect there are those in the consensus community who don’t think Michael Mann is a good spokesman for AGW.)
The propaganda plans outlined by the American Petroleum Institute talk about recruiting and training a handful of scientists to be spokesmen for skepticism. I wonder who they chose.
This article is designed to convey the message that the consensus lacks the integrity, or “morality” shown by contrarians (“moral” is wrongly used interchangeably with “ethical”). The questions about scientific ethics set up false dichotomies meant to place the consensus in the “immoral” camp, relying on the beliefs of readers to do so. This is symptomatic of the site in general. There is no search for truth. There is no fairness or balance in the essays, there are instead insults, assumptions, assertions, and creative editing to prove a point. And it all works because it’s what the readers want to hear.
How ironic that scientists are (wrongly) accused of ignoring research that doesn’t fit an agenda!
Why should anyone believe such a one-sided presentation? Isn’t it obvious that the story is not so simple? Ah, but it is to those who believe the Other is unquestionably evil and wrong. Instead of skepticism, there is conviction, and essays like this are designed to nurture it.
“Those who insist on simply following the science where it leads, who insist on questioning dogma and questioning findings of ‘Accepted Climate Science’, are condemned, vilified and labelled as moral degenerates.”
Following science where it leads, and insisting on questioning the accepted science, are two very different behaviors (questioning science is good, but only if all science is equally scrutinized). Regardless, I would be very surprised if people who do so are often labeled moral degenerates. This verbal tactic meant to convey the message that are victimized for their scientific integrity, when the reality is much more complicated.
“Unless ‘climate change’ becomes a non-issue, meaning that the Kyoto proposal is defeated and there are no further initialives to thwart the threat of global change, there may be no moment when we can declare victory for our efforts.”
1998 API Global Climate Science Communications Action Plan [i.e., propaganda plan to manipulate public opinion]
“Trust has been eroded to the point where it is an issue for our long-term future.”
– Shell CEO Ben van Beurden
Kristi ==> Thank you for presenting evidence of for the prosecution…even if accidentally.
Honestly, you should educate yourself — this is one of the least true statements I’ve seen in a very long while — “Curry and Soon and others who publicly malign science.” I have read at least a majority of their professional work, and listened to, watched or read every Congressional testimony of Curry — and never once, in any way, has she done anything, however slight, that could be construed as “maligning science.”
Would you please write an essay to be published here giving examples of either Willie Soon or Dr. Judith Curry “maligning science”. Send it to me personally at my first name at the domain i4 decimal net. I will get it published [probably annotated — but published].
In real science, as a subject develops, there are conflicting ideas, hypotheses, and, often, personalities that clash and battle for the spotlight — and as a self-correcting enterprise, the whole of knowledge moves forward — in spurts and spats and sometimes backing up to make corrections. Climate skepticism is one of these correcting forces — and leads to improvement in our understanding by challenging incomplete conclusions, premature conclusions, shaky hypotheses, sloppy research, etc. until corrections are made.
I’m not kidding about the essay — please be thorough and give it your best shot. I really will get it published.
Kristi,
“There are explicit and implicit guidelines for the way scientists should conduct themselves for the ongoing good of the profession.”
Ya know, I see people speak of the need to keep the publics trust in “science” up, but I truly doubt that the public does not trust careful testing of things, which is what science is, it seems to me . . When what is really meant is “trust in us professionals”, I think the public senses that, and suspects many of the professionals are more concerned for the “good of the profession” (them ; ) than for the good of the testing (or them, the public ; )
That’s good that you challenge me on that. It was rather a vague thing to say, yet quite an accusation, and since I’m talking about individuals I deserve to answer for it. Actually, I don’t know about Soon, and was wrong to include him there.
Yes, I think I could come up with something. Thank you for the opportunity. …Boy, I suppose there could be repercussions, though. Have to consider it.
Kristi ==> Look forward to your essay….even if just on Dr. Curry
I was just reading an interview with Judith Curry. She goes on and on about the uncertainty of our role in climate change and how much the world is likely to warm, how worthless the models are, etc.,…and then she comes out with this: “The one thing we know is that the commitments we’ve made, in Paris, will probably prevent about two-tenths of a degree of warming by the end of the 21st century.” I laughed out loud. How on Earth could we know that if the rest is pure speculation? She would have to believe the models to say something like that.
It’s sheer hypocrisy using the science when it suits the point one wants to make, then trashing it the rest of the time.
Kristi ==> Again, educate yourself.
Try reading her 2011 paper:
Climate Science and the Uncertainty Monster
by J. A. Curry and P. J. Webster in the
Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society at
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2011BAMS3139.1
Find out for yourself why she says that and why it is true…even though it looks wrong to you.
Find out why she is listed among the 50 Top Women in STEM /A>.
And send me that essay, please.
Oops — malformed link. Here ity is again:
the 50 Top Women in STEM
Thank you for the link. That is a good example of what I object to. I will write the essay, but give me a few days.
I don’t know if you quite caught my point earlier. To be able to say that even if we did follow through on Paris, we’d only lower the increase in temp by 0.2 C she would have to rely on a model. How can she predict the effects if she doesn’t believe the models?
““The one thing we know is that the commitments we’ve made, in Paris, will probably prevent about two-tenths of a degree of warming by the end of the 21st century.” I laughed out loud. How on Earth could we know that if the rest is pure speculation? She would have to believe the models to say something like that.”
Your point is very clear. But inane.
There’s nothing hypocritical about Curry’s observation.
She’s saying that EVEN IF you take the alarmists’ models seriously, then BY THEIR OWN ESTIMATES AND MODELS, warming will only be “reduced” by 0.2 degree celsius.
Nothing hypocritical there.
What she’s done is called “hoisting alarmists on their own petard.”
She took THEIR OWN MODELS at face value, and analyzed the results of THEIR OWN RECOMMENDED ACTIONS, as mandated by the Paris agreement.
Her point is that Paris, even by the extremist alarmists’ own measures, is a farce.
The hypocrisy is on the other foot–the alarmists’ uselessness is revealed as useless, by their own useless models!
The sublimity is priceless!
And, by the way, what Curry did is called science!
Kristi ==> You haven’t educated yourself yet. Dr. Curry, now retired from academia, runs a very well respected and successful climate prediction firm, the Climate Forecast Applications Network (CFAN), that uses models to produce shorter-term climate predictions for customers worldwide.
You see, you start with presumptions that are not factual — it is not true AT ALL that “she doesn’t believe the models”. Climate and weather models are her business.
Kristi, you have a point about Curry relying on climate models to argue her case, but I think she has to make some assumptions to make her point. The world she lives in is familiar with climate models and wil understand her point.
And I don’t think she trashes the models. She does recognize their limitations. We all should do that.
Please write that essay.
Everyone: listen up:
“Demography” has LARGELY for the recent SEVERAL decades been dedicated to matters of POPULATION CONTROL.
Go look at their leading journals. Go look at the CVs of those receiving the annual awards. Go look at their funded projects. The field of “demography” is MOSTLY focused on serving Communist-Driven population-control goals.
End of story.
Add-end-of-story-um:
“You cannot manage what you cannot measure.” <–think about it.
It is late, and I am tired, and just browsing a few familiar blogs before retiring for the evening. I will post some stuff later.
Just between you and I, Last Democrat, I have no idea how this thread and this conversation has proceeded without any one ever once using the word genocide.
种族灭绝
“I have no idea how this thread and this conversation has proceeded without any one ever once using the word genocide.”
Well, Zeke, it’s not “genocide” that is being practiced.
It is DEMOCIDE.
See an excellent website, created by R.J. Rummel of the U. of Hawaai, Power Kills.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html
Rummel clearly and exhaustively defines and analyzes democide.
“Democide: The murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder.”
Governments that have absolute power exercise that power. The Chinese communists are at the top of the table for democidal killing. Dead un-born children are not even included in these totals: around 90 million Chinese were killed by the communist party’s actions in the 20th century.
Democide.
Kent Clizbe ==> I have included the number of deaths believed to have resulted from Chinese Communist policies, mostly Moa, in a comment here somewhere.
Honestly, I do not believe one can count “unconceived” children in that count. Government forced abortions, yes.
Alright, I stand corrected per RJ Rummel. As some already know, in Rummel’s book Death by Government, he begins by explaining a problem he found with all history textbooks dealing with casualties figures for WWII. The problem is that all of the textbooks give a total number of casualtie — estimated to be around 60 million — which mixes the people who were murdered by their own governments with the deaths in actual armed conflict. Rummel shows that in fact, 45 million were killed by their own governments, and 15 million were battle dead. He uses the term “democide” to reflect the distinction. His exhaustive tables and research show that one of the most serious threats to human life and limb during the 1900s was authoritarian and totalitarian governments, which first begin to control and slaughter their own citizens, and then attack their neighbors.
And what the Chinese government has practiced during the Great Leap and on through the one-child policy is democide.
However, I think that when foreigners speak approvingly of these Chinese policies, in particular when Baby Boomers do it, it is genocidal. We also saw a similar conversation about the demographic decline in Japan.
Take home: Westerners who are now celebrating the lack of replacement birth rates in China, Japan, and Europe are genocidal because it is approving of the decline of the population of other countries; the Chinese government killing their own population through the destruction of agriculture or through birth control is democidal.
“However, I think that when foreigners speak approvingly of these Chinese policies, in particular when Baby Boomers do it, it is genocidal.”
Hmmm…not quite sure there’s a distinction worth making there….
Americans approving of Chinese democide is just that…PC-Progs admiring totalitarian power. That is, admiration of democide.
They’re not advocating that we go over and slaughter Chinese. They’re just purring admiringly at the efficiency of the Chinese government’s slaughter of its own citizens.
And slaughtering citizens (“deniers”) is most assuredly the end-game of the CO2-apocalypse-is-coming-do-something-now clique.
They demand actions be taken that can only be taken by totalitarian regimes. Which always ends in death-camps.
Kip Hansen:
I thought your “SEA LEVEL / Rise and Fall – Part 3”
was the best article here in 2017.
I hope another one will be the best of 2018.
It won’t be this one!
A good article needs good content, and good writing too.
You’ve got good content, but not a simple, clear writing style
that makes the subject come alive.
Try reading your sentences out loud.
Why?
Because good non-fiction writers try to ‘write as they speak’.
Their writing sounds natural when read out loud like a speech.
Your “Author’s Comment Policy” section is easy to read.
It sounds natural when read out loud!
Following are two consecutive, long sentences from this article
— try to read them out loud, Hanson:
“These policy-advocating demographers had spent years writing papers attacking the official figures issued by the Chinese government with accusations ranging from “actively fabricat[ing]” ideas, numbers and charts to “scientizing rhetorics” then descending to the level of naming them as “deceptive boasts”, “myths” and “entirely bogus.” — all in the interest of political advocacy for the revocation of the One Child Policy.”
“When Goodkind validates the Chinese claims on population reduction success of the policy, his findings, even though they had been subjected to standard double-blind peer review and revision process of the leading journal of demographics, are labelled by the very same policy-advocating demographers as “morally irresponsible” and his criticisms of previously biased research as being “outside the bounds of scholarly decorum”.”
If you read those sentences out loud,
and still think your writing is clear and easy to understand,
then please lean real close to your computer
… so I can slap you upside the head.
Richard Greene
President,
Michigan Kip Hansen Fan Club
Kip – today I stumbled by accident on this blog-site. Thank you for bringing attention to this controversy regarding my article in Demography about the impact of China’s birth policies on its population. It has been six months since leading colleagues in my field demanded its retraction (and followed up with an attack in ‘Science’ magazine). Even although there have been private words of encouragement for me behind the scenes, these are the first public words of support I have heard since then. It meant a lot to me to read them. In the next week or two there will be an exchange published in Demography – three comments on my article (seven authors in all) and my reply. The exchange is quite ugly, but I was heartened to learn from your essay that I am hardly the only one who is being bulldozed for attempting to do basic science.
Daniel Goodkind ==> I am so glad that you found my essay here. I don’t know why but I had assumed that despite the concerted effort from the small cadre of detractors, you had the support of the larger field of demographers. I am heartened by the fact that you found my very small contribution helpful — even if just as moral support.
Please stay in contact with me — these types of controversies are a special interest of mine as a science journalist. You can email me at my first name at the domain i4 decimal net.