Snow in the Sahara Desert and other Gorebal Warming jokes.

Guest ridicule by David Middleton

From the people who brought you, “Climate Change Is Causing the Seafloor to Sink“…

It Snowed in the Sahara and the Photos Are Breathtaking

Brian Kahn

Monday 5:05pm

Look, I know we cover a lot of the bad types of weather here. Wildfires, droughts, extreme cold, hurricanes. But allow me to make it up to you with some Good Weather. Snow in Sahara? Yes, please.

On Sunday, snow fell in one of the most unlikely places on Earth. Ain Sefra, an Algerian town in the Sahara Desert, got a couple inches of the white stuff. It clung to the dunes for an hour and a half before melting. The Atlas Mountains that ring the town saw snow stick around a bit longer according to Zinnadine Hashas, a local photographer who captured the scenes…

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A blast of cold air associated with a low pressure system spiraling over the western Mediterranean brought rare snow the town and surrounding dunes and mountains. A similar pattern brought snow there last year, too. Before that, the only other recorded snowfall in the region occurred in February 1979, though the highest reaches of Algeria do receive snow every few years.

Now, some troll on the internet will probably use this as an excuse to make a joke about global warming…

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Earther

The Earther troll’s troll is President Trump and his recent Tweets about frigid weather in parts of the U.S….

It was 15 °F at our home in Dallas on New Years morning.  Our landscaping got hammered… again… by climate change winter weather.  Much of the continental U.S. experienced record and near-record low temperatures last week.

Deadly, Bitter Cold Grips Wide Swath of US, Delivers Shock to South

The temperature dropped to minus 32 in Aberdeen, South Dakota, breaking a New Year’s Day record that stood for 99 years

By Tammy Webber

Published at 7:13 PM CST on Jan 1, 2018 |

Bitterly cold temperatures gripped much of the nation on Tuesday, testing the mettle of even winter-wise northerners and delivering a shock to those accustomed to far milder weather in the South.

The cold has been blamed for at least a dozen deaths, prompted officials to open warming centers in the Deep South and triggered pleas from government officials to check on neighbors, especially those who are elderly, sick or who live alone.

In St. Louis, where temperatures dipped 30 degrees below normal, Mayor Lyda Krewson warned it was “dangerously cold.”

[…]

At the same time, a heatwave swept into the country’s northernmost state: Anchorage, Alaska, tied a record high on Tuesday of 44 degrees  — at the same time Jacksonville, Florida, was a mere 38 degrees.

Indianapolis Public Schools canceled classes after the city tied a record low for the day — set in 1887 — of minus 12 degrees. The northwest Indiana city of Lafayette got down to minus 19, shattering the previous record set in 1979. Many local residents noticed a hum, which Duke Energy said was caused by extra power surging through utility lines to meet electricity demands.

Although temperatures have been lower in Indiana — the all-time low was minus 36 in 1994 — the current frigid weather is unusual because of how long it’s lasted, experts said.

“It has just been relentlessly cold since Christmas,” said Jeff Masters, meteorology director of the private Weather Underground.

[…]

With Chicago-area wind chills expected as low as negative 35 degrees, forecasters warned of frost bite and hypothermia risks. They urged residents to take precautions, including dressing in layers, wearing a hat and gloves, covering exposed skin and bringing pets indoors.

“You thought you were cold last year. You thought you were cold last month. But you weren’t cold. Now you’re cold,” said Jeanne Rivera, of Crystal Lake, Illinois, who was in Chicago on Tuesday to visit an art exhibit. “It hurts. It hurts the face.”

[…]

In Texas, advocates for the homeless fanned out Tuesday across Houston to provide blankets and other warm gear as the National Weather Service issued a hard freeze warning until Wednesday for parts of the state.

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NBCDFW

This was “lions and tigers and bears, oh my!” territory… Or at least “frozen sharks and stunned sea turtles and snow in the Gulf of Mexico, oh my!” territory.

“It’s so cold that sharks are freezing to death”

Fourth thresher shark found frozen off Wellfleet

By Doug Fraser

Posted Jan 2, 2018

WELLFLEET — A fourth frozen thresher shark was discovered New Year’s Eve in the ice pack off Wellfleet, but extreme high tides and unstable ice conditions were keeping shark researchers from getting to the carcass, said Michelle Wcisel, program director for the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy.

[…]

The newly discovered shark is similar in size to the other sharks found washed ashore last week — one in Wellfleet, one in Brewster and another in Orleans. They may be part of a group that could have become confused by the hook shape of the Cape Cod Bay shoreline and were overwhelmed by the recent cold spell.

[…]

“The headline that it’s so cold that sharks are freezing to death has really taken off,” she said. Wcisel cautioned against trying to find this shark due to the danger of the unstable sea ice.

“It’s dangerous, really dodgy,” she said. “We really don’t want people to try and go out there.”

[…]

Cape Cod Times

Stunned sea turtles washing ashore in Pensacola…

Hundreds of sea turtles ‘cold-stunned’ by frigid temperatures in Gulf waters

USA TODAY NETWORK Melissa Nelson Gabriel, Pensacola (Fla.) News Journal Published 7:44 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2018

PENSACOLA, Fla. — Yoda the green sea turtle moved its flippers Thursday afternoon and poked its head out of a container at the Gulfarium Marine Adventure Park.

The movements were a good sign for veterinarian Rebecca Wells, who is tending to sea turtles traumatized by the region’s unusually cool water temperatures.

Rescuers brought in Yoda on Wednesday when he was found outside of the water and not moving on an area beach.

“Their temperature is whatever the water temperatures is so whenever the water starts getting colder and colder, they are at risk,” explained Wells, who is taking care of Yoda and four other juvenile green turtles affected by the cold.

She expects to receive more turtles as the cold weather lingers.

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USA Today

And snow south of Port Fourchon…

Rare snowfall on Louisiana’s Gulf coast

NEW ORLEANS (WWL-TV) – NEW ORLEANS (WWL-TV) – Eyewitness News viewers sent several photos and videos as freezing temperatures brought a rare snow to Louisiana’s Gulf coast Wednesday morning.

Video: Snow in the Gulf of Mexico, south of Port Fourchon. Cant see the video? Click here!

WWLTV

At least one of our platforms in the Gulf reported snowfall… Oh my!

So… I won’t feed the Earther troll by making any jokes about Gorebal Warming… Besides, someone else already beat me to the punchline…

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JON E KASSAW

Al Gore has concluded that global warming works like a freezer or a refrigerator now. The more heat I feel blowing the colder it gets! He has a great map of Mars trying to use it on Earth. Denial is a wonderful thing to the foolish.

Komrade Kuma

I thought that Sahara Snow thing was some sort of art installation, daaahlings. You mean it was, like, real?

Chris Norman

You need to wake up! First it was called man made global warming. Then they changed it to climate change. Now they are changing it to “Extreme weather events”.
Obviously if the planet is supposed to be warming, cold is an extreme weather event and the big lie can continue. The lie is that man is responsible for climate change and thus should be controlled.
If the fact that the sun controls climate, as has been demonstrated by many scientists, is not given fresh life, nothing will change. Its not just Gore et al, there is a massive corporate media that has invested heavily in this, and they will grasp any straw.

Bryan A

And another first from FLAT EARTHER

Margaret

“Chris Norman on January 10, 2018 at 6:16 pm

You need to wake up! First it was called man made global warming……”

First it was global cooling……some of us were well aware of the change to global warming. Right now they appear to be trying to move back to cooling by saying model-predicted major cooling (caused by warming caused by CO2) could last 20 years. How long before they drop the warming bit?

Tony Heller had an hilarious take on this:

“Polar Vortex Feedback
Posted on December 31, 2017 by tonyheller

Climate experts say the polar vortex is caused by global warming. This creates a serious dilemma! The colder it gets, the more fossil fuels get burned. This causes more cold, and more burning of fossil fuels – thus more global warming and more cold.

If we keep burning fossil fuels, we are all going to freeze to death! Democrats need to stop heating their homes, if they want to have any chance to stay warm.”

Isn’t this the second snowfall in the Sahara, the first being in January 2017?

Dave Fair

I thought 1979, Margaret.

Hugs

First it was called man made global warming. Then they changed it to climate change. Now they are changing it to “Extreme weather events”

Greenhouse effect to global warming to climate change to extreme weather.

Of these four, we will always have at least three. And, global warming of 0.2K / decade is small compared to local warming and cooling. The CAGW is based on beliefs in accelerating warming that heavily lags CO₂ emissions and is greatly enhanced by water vapour, and in that sinks will not be growing. In addition, CAGWists believe either small reductions help, or that half human population should be get rid of. Simply, they believe in destruction and want to take the medicine that’s worse than the illness.

(But, to give a little free rope, I do understand now how the tobs bias works. I’ve not yet made my mind is Heller’s correlation damning and if so, how could it have been constructed in the series.)

I’ve also noticed most prominent scientist-contrarians are lukewarmers. Only oddballs like Salby (I know many residents here disagree) fall in the category ‘nothing to do with human emissions’. So I read this so that lukewarming is included in the consensus, and CAGWism can only be supported by the lacking strong evidence that it is impossible. Curry calls this ‘fat tail’, and I do suggest killing the fat tail should be a primary concern for all climate change scientists. The fat tail is why we talk about climate change. It is the reason why research money is being poured, it is the reason for extensive and expensive government policies.

And, if it turned out the sensitivity is high, then proving that would be essential for both adaptation and mitigation.

Why there is no advancement in sensitivity estimates? Do fat-tailers fatten the tail to get more funding in what they had as a preoccupation?

Leo Smith

@hugs

The inconvenient truth is that the climate models do not match reality. Climate sensitivity is an element of those models. Ergo to arrive at a correct figure for climate sensitivity would be to show that those models are rubbish .

No one wants to do that.

What we are left with is a crumbling belief structure based on the fundamental physics that says that CO2 ought to make a difference, and indeed probably does.

The real serious problem once the smoke drifts away and the mirrors are dismantled, is that whilst CO2 levels have been rising steadily and monotonically, global temperatures have not been rising steadily or monotonically. This is a fact that is completely incompatible with the thesis that the major and dominant driver for global climate change is CO2.

20 + years of pretty much pause blows CO2 out of the water as a dominant factor. If you assume CO2 is dominant you get two different values for climate sensitivity depending on which century you analyse.

Any scientist worth his salt knows this, and that is why they can keep their jobs by being sceptical about the sensitivity whilst avoiding being called ‘deniers’ by claiming the sensitivity is so close to zero as to make CO2 of no interest whatsoever in determining past present or future climate.

Climate sensitivity is about as meaningful a phrase as the lapse rate of virgins.

There has been one major benefit of the whole climate change scam though: People are beginning to think that maybe the ability to think is as handy thing to have, and that following self appointed leaders is just kinda dumb.

Chris, Margaret and Hugs wrote (in effect):
“First it was called man made Global Warming. Then they changed it to Climate Change. Now they are changing it to “Extreme Weather Events”.”

The warmists’ continue to change their hypothesis as it continues to fail – in effect “moving the goalposts” to try to maintain their shattered credibility. To do this is not Science – it is really the old carny “shell game”:
“Follow the shells and find the pea – nothing up my sleeve, good people, nothing up my sleeve – place your bets, good people, faites vos jeux!”.

People who still believe the “moving target” of warmist falsehoods are not scientists. They must be Artsies, and Richard Feynman noted (below) their “general dopiness”.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/09/al-gores-inconvenient-freeze/comment-page-1/#comment-2713441

RICHARD FEYNMAN ON THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD (1964)

at 0:39/9:58: ”If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong.”

At 4:01/9:58: “You can always prove any definite theory wrong.”

At 6:09/9:58: “By having a vague theory, it’s possible to get either result.”

THAT IS THE ALARMISTS’ KEY STRATEGY – “By having a vague theory, it’s possible to get either result.”

It is clear that these “Climate Change” alarmists are not scientists – they are probably students of the humanities.

“The theoretical broadening which comes from having many humanities subjects on the campus is offset by the general dopiness of the people who study these things.”
Letter to Robert Bacher (6 April 1950)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

catweazle666

“in effect “moving the goalposts””

They’re not moving the goalposts, they’re moving the whole damn playing field!

Jeffrey Barker

On that logic I’m going to start cooking in my freezer and storing my frozen food in the oven 😉

observa

“He has a great map of Mars trying to use it on Earth.”
Well apparently there are lots more potential ice cores to be had and interpret the politically correct way providing the grants keep flowing-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/scientists-have-discovered-massive-ice-sheets-on-mars/ar-AAuAa9U

J Mac

Surreal beauty, in tangerine and cream hues….

AndyG55

I was thinking peach and vanilla sorbet twist … YUMMMM. 🙂

Steve Case

Tom in Florida

Reminds me of Lambeau Field on Dec 31, 1967.

Rah

More than once on a windy bright sunny day after a snow the night before this truck driver has had great difficulty keeping it between the lines as the wind pushed the rig and a low lying layer of wind blown snow completely masked the lines on the road. Then add ice to the mix. There is a reason this driver keeps three different shades or colors of sun glasses within reach when driving.

MrGrimNasty

The Pathe historic news reel site is always worth a quick search for perspective. Plenty of early/mid 20th century Californian mud slides/floods and deaths, commentaries of worst drought every, wacky weather etc. 2 reels explicitly state mud slides were caused by cloud bursts after hills were denuded by fires. 10,000 refugees etc. The weather/natural disasters remain the same, the only thing that has changed is that we now have charlatans who want to blame us instead of the hand of God.

Pop Piasa

Here’s the bloody culprit!
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Shouldn’t that be a lady’s hand?

afonzarelli

(you’ve been readin’ too much svalgaard)…

Hugs

I guess depicting the hand as ‘White’ is a major crime, but of course, it is originally the god of one tribe, and they didn’t depict it in any manner.

What does it mean, to an omnipotent, omniscient thing, to be a male? Male is biological property of some multicellular organisms.

I’ll get my coat…

Apparently, California’s long term disaster record keeping has been spotty, with only the last couple of decades keeping official logs of fires, floods and disasters. Convenient, that.

NotInColorado

Just like the recent reporting from Sydney where they say the temps hit an all-time high, but forget to tell you they’re only talking about temps since 1995. Much hotter in the 1890s, but those don’t count, for some reason.

Drake

My dad retired from the Navy in the mid 60s to Virginia to work in the Newport News Shipyard building Subs and Aircraft Carriers. When I got old enough to know what was what, I asked him why he didn’t retire in California to work in a shipyard there, he had offers. He said he couldn’t live in California where idiots built houses on dirt hills that slid down whenever it rained hard. He also spoke of not wanting to live where the hills were green for 2 months and brown the rest of the year. I remember Walter Cronkite CBS news reporting on fires and mud slides in the late 60s. Now with so many MORE people building on dirt hills and starting all that brown plant matter on fire, the disasters get BIGGER! What a surprise.

BTW I still think I would rather have grown up in Cali, better weather, warmer beaches, no mosquitoes, etc. And in the late 60 to the early 70, they still had decent schools in most areas.

jorgekafkazar

We do have mosquitoes here in Calizuela.

kaliforniakook

I still remember watching people who had lost their houses to mudslides in the late 70’s. It was a heart-rending story.
Then they shocked me when they said they’d rebuild in the same spot – just like they did after they lost their last home at that location.
I lost my sense of pity for their loss, and instead pitied them for their stupidity. Then again, they had the money to do it. That’s OK. But don’t expect the Feds or the State to bail you out when it happens again.

Extreme Hiatus

I continue to be amazed at the awesome and unlimited powers of CO2 molecules, at least the bad ones that come from fossil fuels. They can do darn near anything!

It is a shame about those sharks. But they were warned and still failed to change their lifestyles so it is their own fault.

As for the Sahara, good news for the polar camels!

+100

Bryan A

Kinda hard on those Sand Sharks though

Brett

Lucky for the turtles or they would all be female…
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/science/female-sea-turtles-global-warming.html

Commented on this in more detail elsewhere. Green turtle breeding populations exist world wide. Those of South Carolina, Florida, and San Diego/Baha Mexico are well studied. Always female hatchling skewed >3:1. A survival mode, as less than 1:1000 hatchlings reaches sexual maturity. BUT, f/m ratio depends on when the nest/eggs are created. Early or late in season results in more males, peak breeding season always more females. So IF AGW results in too many females, the few that mate/nest early or late will produce more naturally selected early/late males and the situation will self correct in evolutionary turtle time. Warmunist biological BS.

Charlie B.

But watch out for that tap water. its a gay bomb, baby!

toorightmate

Perhaps the Australian climate and reef researchers do not realize that their ridiculous statements and hypotheses are read by such a wide audience.
It is very demeaning to Australia.

PiperPaul

Good news for (non-gay) boy turtles.

Ill Tempered Klavier

Not to mention endochronic properties far in excess of resublimated thiotimoline. Darn stuff makes temperatures rise 800 odd years before it enters the atmosphere. 😉 😉

New definition for latent heat?

AndyG55

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I used to wonder why camel hair was so warm…

Nothing like a camel hair jacket to keep warm at work, during chilly winters.

Dave Fair

It doesn’t look happy.

toorightmate

Dave Fair,
would you look happy if you had stinking cruel animals looking after you?

AndyG55

I don’t think I’ve ever met a happy camel !

RockyRoad

The pessimist camel looks at the desert and says it’s half empty with sand; the optimist camel looks at the desert and says it’s half full. The nearly-frozen camel looks at the snow-covered desert and asks where’s the sand?

The whole AGW used to cause warmer winters (Viner/Cullen) but now causes colder winters (Holdren/Mann) thing is terrific for skeptics. What the warmunists forget is that the internet doesn’t thanks to stuff like Wayback Machine.

Latitude

or……since global warming is causing these wind loops down from the Arctic…..what cause it in 1979 when they said ice age?

Philip T. Downman

We see a lot of ad hoc-hypotheses to save the beloved CAGW-theory. Cold spell is a typical effect of global warming, eh? Popper’s invisible gardener is busy those days.

Tom in Florida

The real question: Is CO2 migratory?
The obvious answer: Yes. CO2 migrates between the northern and southern hemispheres. Such migrations are the cause of summer and winter. As CO2 accumulates in one hemisphere you have summer with the other hemisphere. depleted of CO2, having winter. The next questions are what caused these migrations to begin in the first place and will they go on forever.

Fred Brohn

Sounds like some grant proposals to me!

Gunga Din

Odd thing about old temperature records, it seems they get scratched.
Yesterday, Jan 9th, the record high listed in 2002 and 2007 and 2012 was set in 1946. However, in 2002 and 2007 it was 65*F. In 2012 it was 62*F. In 2018 (yesterday) it still 62*F but it was set in 1949.
No joke!

Gunga Din

OOPS!
I forgot to add, “for my little spot on the globe”.

Bryan A

They’re just working those Warm Record temps closer to today so as to Cool the Past

kaliforniakook

We assumed it was for your “little spot on the globe”. Where that “spot” is is the puzzle. Pretty sure it’s in the northern hemisphere, although you can find those temperatures as you approach Antarctica and on some of the higher mountains in the southern hemisphere.
But thanks for the clarification!

Gunga Din

Hint.
Buckeye trees grow here and, if not for Iowa, they would have had a chance to beat Alabama again. 😎

commieBob

While I do enjoy asking alarmists if they’re enjoying the global warming …

Some folks, on both sides of the debate, seize on every little thing. It’s stupid. With that in mind, we should admit that the preliminary global temperature for December is somewhat warm. link

What we can point out is that the natural climate is highly variable. My nearly century old mother remembers how nasty the 1930s were and I’ve heard the stories.

The real deniers are those who deny natural variability which is what we’re experiencing right now.

At this very moment we’re having a two day warm spell where I live. Princess Fenrir the 1023rd is able to go outside for more than five minutes without doing her keep-all-four-feet-off-the-ground-at-the-same-time dance.

Wharfplank

Perhaps the Global Warming on Venus will warm us up, Hawking seems to think so.

Keith J

Is he claiming the Venus analogy? There is no free water on Venus! Sulfur trioxide assures any water becomes sulfuric acid. Which boils at much higher temperature which means much higher surface temp and much greater atmospheric pressure.

London247

I wish that the Venus comparison would be refuted. It is 26 million miles closer to the Sun than the Earth. It’s siderial day is longer than its year. On Earth the sun rises and sets on average every 12 hours. It is not hard to imagine conditions on the Venusian equator when the sun is in the sky for some 120 earth days. It’s going to get very hot. The chemistry and evolution of the Earths and Venusian atmospheres began from very different starting points.

The Reverend Badger

For refutational delight;

Take 2 pieces of paper. On one draw the energy budget diagram of he earth (a la KT). Now do the same for Venus on the other bit of paper. This will reveal something interesting.

commieBob

The surface temperature on Venus is mostly explained by the thickness of the atmosphere. link As far as I can tell, that’s not controversial. Can you point to a quote where Hawking says different?

Today at CES, Hawking said that he will pay for “Climate Deniers to go visit Venus.”

“Venus is like Earth in so many ways,” he explained. “A sort of kissing cousin.” “She’s almost the same size as Earth, a touch closer to the sun. She has an atmosphere,” he said.

Sadly, he finds that the pressure on Venus is around 90 times that of Earth. “Enough to crush a submarine,” he said. The temperature? A balmy 200 degrees-ish.This is what happens, he said, when greenhouse gases are out of control. And this, he fears, is what will happen to our own planet.

“Next time you meet a climate denier,” he said, “tell them to take a trip to Venus. I will pay the fare.”

https://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-ill-pay-for-climate-deniers-to-fly-to-venus/

Dave Fair

You’re on, Stevie. Send the check!

LdB

I have commented before (actually to Griff) that his ALS seems to have caught up with him and effecting his mental faculties, his last papers show how badly. He is now referred to by many as the crazy little man in the wheelchair. Funny enough with his prognosis a number of people have actually asked the question on physics forums usually along the line “If Stephan Hawking gets Dementia how many crazy predictions could he make before someone calls him on it?”

The stupidity has already been countered by Lubos Motl
https://motls.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/venus-and-hawkings-scientific-illiteracy.html
Roy Spencer
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/07/stephen-hawking-flies-off-the-scientific-reservation/

You would expect any real and sane scientists to agree but with the toxic lunatic politics around climate science many scientists probably aren’t keen to comment. It’s probably a sad commentary on the perversion of science that many don’t feel they can actually discuss what amounts to gross stupidity.

Sara

Venus never got whacked like Earth did back in the day. Earth got whacked like a billiard ball. started spinning faster, threw off some debris that formed a moon, and stayed that way. Maybe if Venus had gotten bumped and developed a moon, too, it wouldn’t be such a geological disaster.

London247

Venus got a much bigger whack. Of the nine planets ( I keep Pluto as a planet) only two do not have their Axis around which they rotate counterclockwise when looking down on the solar system. Uranus whose axis is at about ninety degrees to the vertical and so it’s axis lies in its plane of orbit. And Venus whose axis is 180 degrees inverted. Effectively from Earth perspective The Venusian North Pole is it’s effective South Pole in terms of rotation..

Mickey Reno

Thela is the name given to the proto-planet that collided with Earth to create the Earth’s moon. But what if the big whack that created the moon was between Earth and Venus itself? If there had been a different planetary body called Thela, and there had been a glancing blow that created the Earth’s rapid spin, wouldn’t there likely be a remnant somewhere in the sky today (other than the moon)? If Thela was Venus, might that not help to explain Venus’ retrograde rotation?

MarkW

Hawking starts off by claiming that the Earth and Venus were once similar, than the build up of greenhouse gases turned Venus into the hothouse it is today.
Because Venus is closer to the sun, it never cooled off enough for water vapor to condense out of it’s atmosphere as it did on Earth. That’s why Venus still has a thick atmosphere, all of it’s oceans are still in the atmosphere.
The last time Venus and the Earth were pretty much the same, was when both planets were still molten. They’ve diverged dramatically since then.

Wharfplank

Yep, thanks.

PiperPaul

Someone else is typing into his machine and Hawking can’t do a thing about it.

latest information I have found on atmosphere of Venus is that water vapour is 20 parts per million .Is that enough to make a ‘thick'(?do you mean dense or thick as in height from the surface?) atmosphere .
Other gases :-CO2 ,96.5%nitrogen 3.5%,(hmm.that makes 100%,by my arithmetic ??)others ,in ppmillion,
SO2, 150, Ar 70,CO 17, Ne 7,He12,

Tomas Solfaro

Its climate change that is dangerous according to the best available science…only an idiot doesn’t understand that.

Robert Austin

Can we assume that sarcasm is intended?

What kind of climate change, Tomas? We haven’t had any for over 100 years, besides for some possible minor (welcome) warming. The weather patterns have not changed.

dennisambler

Absolutely. No single climate for the planet anyway, any more than a single temperature.

http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/climate.htm

PiperPaul

Tomas’ dedication to the cause is noted – he is smart and cares about the environment. Also, see how brave he is to visit this forum full of dangerous and evil people and call us names because we’re idiots.

Be like Tomas and don’t ask questions.

gnome

But ask yourselves daily “wouldn’t today be so much nicer if only it were a few degrees cooler?”.

Tom i n Florida

I hear that quite often during summer. When I do, I just say “Then why do you live in Florida?” and “Did you not understand it gets hot here?” then finally “If you don’t like the heat you can always go back up north.”

Hugs

That’s funny. But it is the human nature. We get most of the year temps aroind the freezing point, say +10C to -10C covers most of the year. But in the summer when it reaches +28C, people start complaining. It is usually only a few days a year or less. When it ever reaches +38C, it is major news for years to come. People should adapt. A/C or heat pump does wonders. Not expensive. And don’t move to Florida if you don’t like +28C….

London247

Only in the context of beer.

London247

I was disappointed that WUWT didn’t have an article on the “Climate change is causing the sea floor to sink.”
This theory neatly skips the incompressibility of solids and fluids that I learned in high school. And forgot to take into account the thermal shrinkage of the Earth as it continues to cool from its initial formation 4600 Million years ago.

Some things are so obviously stupid that a refutation isn’t worth the energy expenditure.

Ellen

Land masses that once were glaciated are rising due to isostatic rebound from the glaciers that once weighed them down. If one part of the Earth’s crust is going up, other parts have to go down to make up for it. The crust does a good imitation of a solid, but over geological time, it can equally do a good imitation of a fluid.

London247

But dissemination of the alarmists wilder claims adds fuel to the funeral pyre of this cult.

Nashville

David Middleton, I couldn’t find how to post this after your photo of Tommy Lee Jones.
He perfected that look when he was Al Gores roommate at Harvard.

lgp

and then there’s frozen alligators in North Carolina

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article193602684.html

nn

The Profit Gorebal indicates snow with a chance of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Peta from Newark

Them cabonoxide molcueeles ain’t fussed where they go..
All around Madrid, THE hottest place in Western Europe in the summertime..
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/spanish-army-called-in-as-snow-traps-thousands-on-roads

)originally found in the Grauniad – our man Griff[snip] kept *that* under his hat eh not?)

Even in Wales…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-42593963

(Have visited Wales twice now in my life – didn’t see any dragons either times and this goes to show that Climate Change has driven them extinct as well or they’d have breathed fire on the snow and saved the wee doggy)

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Why ‘Even in Wales’?
Y Preselau are to the south but the mountains in the middle and north get their fair share of snow. I grew up there and during bad winters we’d have 12′ snow drifts over the roads to the next valley, 62/3 was particularly bad , over 15′ at times. We missed lots of school, which was in the neighboring valley. They had some reasonable snow before Christmas this year. Plenty of dragons in Wales, they’re on the national flag, Y Ddraig Goch, last seen supposedly by Vortigern at Dinas Emrys in the 5th century. 😉
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The Reverend Badger

Masses of Snow on Snowden , yet it rarely settles on the higher parts of Llandecwyn. Portmeirion usually bereft of snow too. Locally they say “microclimate”.

Leo Smith

SnowDON

‘Snow in Snowden’ is a slur of the nasal inhalation habits of a whistle blower…

The Reverend Badger January 10, 2018 at 10:55 pm
Masses of Snow on Snowden , yet it rarely settles on the higher parts of Llandecwyn. Portmeirion usually bereft of snow too. Locally they say “microclimate”.

Well 3000′ altitude does make a difference, but even though Portmeirion is on the coast it does snow there occasionally.comment image&width=415&height=415&constrain=true&pad=true

Before Christmas in central Wales:comment image?oh=afe72f8d5cff704537dd1aabd374c0aa&oe=5AB3419C

Griff

In my extensive experience, the gentle and delightful and persistent Welsh rain keeps the dragons indoors.

However, there has been a marked decline in snow in Snowdonia in recent years.
https://www.walkupsnowdon.co.uk/mountain-weather-and-snowdonias-climate/

“The snow cover has been very sparse in some recent years, with the winter of 2007/08 having only a handful of days where snow lay on the highest summits, but with the winters since then seeing some decent snow falls. Just be prepared for strong winds and heavy rain all year round, and appreciate that the conditions do change appreciably in a matter of hours”

(but the rain is guaranteed, you’ll note)

Pop Piasa

Maybe Sahara will become Savanna…

Hugs

For the time being, at least there.

Leo Smith

It used to be

It is an education to fly from Europe to S Africa. Once the Mediterranean is crossed there is nothing much till the equator, then its jungle, and only south of the equator do you start to see really habitable land – the bush and high veldt, or, further down towards the Cape, Mediterranean type vegetation.

Google earth is a fun tool, too.

Sara

“Indianapolis Public Schools canceled classes after the city tied a record low for the day — set in 1887 — of minus 12 degrees.”

That’s a record??? Gee, I used to walk the 1.8 mile distance to my high school in central Illinois in weather colder than that. Sleet, snow, slippery sidewalks, frozen doors – you name it, we had it and it was just a small country town.

What are these people complaining about? Is it that “not in living memory” virus going around again?

I have about a half quart of really good chocolate ice cream left, plus some cheesecake, and I’m doing my grocery shopping tomorrow so I think I’ll stop and get B&R mint chocolate chip ice cream, some pumpkin pie and REAL whipping cream, a gallon of cider and some lemons to slice up for when I heat it up to drink it, and sit in my living room reading a book. I could make a pot of bean soup with ham, too. Plenty of cornbread and/or crackers on hand.

Yeah, I’m good to go. Bring on the cold and snow!!!

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Rick C PE

When I was in grade school I had to walk just over 2 miles to school – often through a foot or more of snow in Madison, WI. Even worse, it was up hill both ways! 😉

Raven

“Luxury . . .
We used to have to get out of the lake at three o’clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!”

h/t Monty Python – Four Yorkshiremen

NorwegianSceptic

But you try to tell the young people of today that….. 🙂

Sheri

Agreed. When I was in college I walked to night class in -70F wind chill. The girl’s dorm was the furthest from every building—I guess they knew girls were tough! When I moved to Wyoming, -70F wind chills were not uncommon and the temp would drop to near -40 for days at a time. I learned to thaw frozen pipes, install engine heaters in cars, and dress for the weather. Ice fishing was added to my list of activities. Yes, it was cold. No one freaked out, kids still went to school, life went on .

Jeff Mitchell

I like that you didn’t specify degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit for -40 degrees since they are the same at that point in the scale. Once, on a flight to Seattle I had a screen at my seat that had the temp in both scales and watched them cross at -40.

MarkW

What qualifies as “too cold” depends on what you are used to.
When it gets below 50F in Miami, they start opening the emergency shelters for the homeless.

Latitude

..below 70F for the natives

Plus many. Thats funny in South Florida.

Sara

OKay, Mods. Make a note of this recipe for bean soup.

You need the following items

1 bag (2lbs) 15 or 16 bean soup mix.
about a 1/4 to 1/2 lb good ham, chopped or run through the cuisinart thingy
Hambone is optional, but use it if you have it
1 onion, chopped up
1 lb baby carrots
4 stalks of celery (more if you like celery) chopped up
2 14-oz cans of beef broth or stock
2 14-oz cans of chicken broth or stock (use more broth or stock if you need it; depends on the pot size)

Rinse the beans in cold water. Put them in a big stock pot. Cover with water by about two inches. Let them soak minimum of 8 hours. Overnight is good. Start them at 10PM, they should be completely rehydrated by 6AM the next morning. If they’re rehydrated, they’re all on the bottom of the pot.

Pour off the water and return any escapee beans to the pot. Add the onion. baby carrots, celery, and ham. Mix well. Add the beef and chicken broth/stock to the pot. The liquid level should cover the beans with at least one inch to spare, and maybe two inches..Stir all this and turn the burner on LO. Add your favorite seasonings, e.g., smokey mesquite BBQ seasoning, Grandma Maud’s Smoky seasoning, Mrs. Dash Garlic-Herb (no salt, very peppery), plus maybe a dash of liquid smoke. Cover and let it simmer on LOW for several hours. Check regularly on levels of liquid. If it gets low (below half), add some water and/or more chicken/beef stock. The beans will absorb a LOT of liquid, so it’s necessary to check the levels. You can also make this in a crock pot because the lid will hold in the moisture from cooking. If you use a crock pot, cook the soup on low for 8 to 10 hours. The longer you cook it, the better the flavor.

This should cook for several hours. The beans will be very tender. Make some cornbread or corn muffins (Jiffy’s good and quick). Serve with cut-up veggies, cornbread/corn muffins and butter, and sprinkle a little parsley on the soup when you serve it. Good and filling on a cold winter’s night.

And for dessert, a nice pumpkin pie with real whipped cream and hot drinks all around.

Sara

Almost forgot: if you like to create your own soup mixes, North Bay Trading is an American company in Wisconsin that supplies just about everything you can think of in the way of beans and dried veggies and dried fruits.
https://www.northbaytrading.com/

Sara, my Wisconsin dairy farm bean soup recipe is similar. Starts the same with cold soaked 15 bean soup mix sold everywhere thereabouts. Differences: we add smoked ham hocks rather than ham (popular in SW Wisconsin Uplands settled by Swiss and Norwegians and Germans). Less meat, more skin, flavor, and gelatin. Then we add lots of canned diced tomatoes rather than beef/chicken stock. Still served with hot corn bread for which we even have a special cast iron mold. Yup, Jiffy mix cornbread.
Has sustained many relatives who are avid white tail derr hunters for many years. Biggest dinner table soup seating was 12. Biggest single day deer harvest was 9–sure filled up the F250HD long bed farm truck. Got pics of both.

Pop Piasa

It looks to me like the press and their alarmist celebrities have resorted to shameless “climate ambulance chasing” by running up and spray-painting “CO2 damage” across every weather headline.

Anto

So, sharks and turtles are getting frozen, and yet NOAA still shows almost the entire Atlantic as anomalously hot? WUWT?

http://i63.tinypic.com/2i1m937.jpg

London247

It is your perception that is wrong. Now just drink some of this grant flavoured koolaid and it will become clear.

Sheri

The cold area is that teeny, tiny line along the coast that can’t been seen with the naked eye.

Latitude

serious question ( I know)…..what is that constant never changing red anomaly off Maine?…..how long does something stay exactly the same before it’s no longer an anomaly??

Hugs

Long. Decades. I guess that’s a cyclic or quasi-periodic(!) shift.

Toneb

It’s where the Labrador current meets the Gulf stream.
So there is a large deltaT over a short distance and there will be a large anomaly should the gulf stream advance north just a little there.
Prob driven by S’ly surface winds recently.
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Raven

It was so hot in Sydney that bats were ‘boiled alive’ – JANUARY 10 2018

Mrs Ryan said due to climate change, there was not much that could be done to prevent a similar incident occurring should the mercury reach the mid 40s again.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/it-was-so-hot-in-sydney-that-bats-were-boiled-alive-20180109-h0fxj8.html

LdB

Many in Sydney would be cheering as the bat numbers have spiked in recent years.

Patrick MJD

I think they are protected like possums and sharks.

Jeff Mitchell

Why would they cheer the death of bats? Are they fruit bat pests that harm agriculture? I’ve never heard of any like that. Regular bats eat bugs by the thousands, and if you have too many bats you also have too many bugs and the people there should be grateful for the bats.

Jeff Mitchell January 11, 2018 at 9:15 am
Why would they cheer the death of bats? Are they fruit bat pests that harm agriculture? I’ve never heard of any like that.

Yes they are fruit bats and feed on fruit, not insects.

Anto

Interesting. I didn’t know that the boiling point of bats was the mid-40’s. They must have dichloromethane blood, or something. Huh – who woulda guessed?

tom0mason

News agencies have short memories, what about February 2012 when Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia all got unusual weather back then. (https://www.reuters.com/article/grain-northafrica-weather/snow-is-answer-to-prayers-for-n-africa-grain-growers-idUSL5E8D89AL20120208 )

And please do not forget that no sooner than the UN Climate Conference caravan in Marrakesh packed up in 2016, than it snowed there.

Griff

Perhaps they should make sure to invite them to the winter Olympics then!

tom0mason

Griff the dumb has spoken!

Gary Pearse

I detect a certain disheartened tone in the warmer clisci folk gritting their teeth while tossing off the “exactly what we expected with Global Warming” line. It reminded me of the Get Smart’s classic “Would you believe…” delivery. Frozen sharks, stunned Gulf of Mexico turtles with hypothermia … Yeah global warming for sure! These are the things they can’t adjust for.

Stephen Singer

Wow, that snow fall south of New Orleans was about 50-60 south of New Orleans out on an tiny island town named Leeville. Couldn’t be more than 50 souls living/working down there.

M.W. Plia.

Mr. Gore certainly deserves the criticism, but it rarely goes further than WUWT. We are alone.

This fiscal fiasco is far from over. The dangerous Anthropogenic Global Warming concept as reported is settled science and happening, there is no argument, the warm side dominates. Quite well in fact, it’s impressive…they simply own the MSM, academia and the ruling class (Aside from President Trump).

WUWT, according to them (Stokes, ATTP, Mosh, Griff, BenBen, etc.), is nothing more than a sceptic website of non-importance. Perhaps they’re right, I live in Ontario where the skeptic voice is effectively muzzled as it seems to be in the rest of the world. No surprise I guess as I am one of many who deliberately avoid any discussion on the issue. Most of my family and friends, especially those with a post-secondary education, support Al Gore’s man-made global warming scary narrative…melting ice, rising seas, extreme weather, floods, droughts, fires…a humidification apocalypse. My wife thought I made a fool of myself whenever I vocalized my support of the skeptic side.

I’m 67 and had a bit of fun this past Christmas. When folks asked me if I had a good Christmas I responded with a firm “no”. I explained the Arctic ice had melted enough to delay the Reindeer takeoff as a result I never got my presents (children first of course). I said I have hope for next year telling them Santa’s going to switch the Reindeer for Polar Bears (they are stronger swimmers than the Reindeer). There is some worry as the Polar Bear population is in decline due to climate change and they might have to turn down the opportunity to replace Santa’s Reindeer.

Hopefully things will work out, and the Reindeer will teach the Polar Bears to fly…I can only be optimistic.

It’s time for some Lindzen….

“What historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world – that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison.”

Lindzen is right of course, the science will eventually have its way (long after we are all gone) and the man-made global warming scare will find it’s place on the back shelves alongside The Arc of the Covenant and all the other man-made hobgoblins that have come and gone.

Keep up the good work Mr. Middleton! Luv your stuff!

John Bell

Mods, someone, OT, please help, I am looking for that quote from the IPCC about redistributing the world’s wealth using CAGW as a tool. I want to present that quote to a few alarmists on YT.

Steve Zell

The snow in the Sahara, and the recent cold snap that brought sub-zero temperatures to the eastern US are a good reality check on alarmists who claim that increases in CO2 from 0.03% to 0.04% or 0.05% of the atmosphere will fry the planet.

The overall reality is that winter temperatures in middle latitudes are mostly dependent on wind direction, and the advection of either cold air from the north or milder air from the south. A week after the sub-zero cold snap, temperatures today are in the 50’s in most of Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana, but near zero in the Dakotas. During the deep freeze in the eastern US during the first week of the year, temperatures remained in the 30’s and 40’s west of the Rockies in Utah and Idaho, and it was warmer in Anchorage, Alaska than in Jacksonville, Florida.

So if temperatures in Chicago can fluctuate from -10 F to +50 F in a week (and possibly back down again next week), how can anyone really predict whether the global average temperature might rise by 2 C (3.6 F) over the next 100 years? Aren’t we dealing with a very small signal-to-noise ratio here, if the action of cold and warm fronts, and normal diurnal and seasonal fluctuations represent the “noise”?

When a “polar vortex” pushes cold air out of the Arctic somewhere further south (whether it’s over some area of North America, or Europe, or Asia), the air that left the Arctic has to be replaced by air pushing northward from the tropics somewhere else, at some other longitude. This means that abnormally cold winter weather at some longitudes in middle latitudes will be balanced by abnormally mild weather at some other longitudes. Some areas will freeze and dig out from snow and ice storms while other areas bask in the winter sun and rain.

But whoever is fortunate enough to live in the mild areas in any given winter should stop complaining about “global warming”, and send snowplows to and salt to those stuck in the snow!

Jeff Mitchell

If they keep calling cold events “extreme” they’re not going to recognize global cooling when it finally happens.

Mickey Reno

I wanted to see more pictures of the snow, so I searched on web for images using “images of snow in the sahara” as my search term. I was a bit surprised to see one image that didn’t look like the rest, the extremely beautiful face of pop singer, Anggun, who sings a song entitled “Snow on the Sahara.” And although I find most of her music a bit too cloying, this song is quite beautiful and evocative. It was nice browse through the desert snow images while listening: