France24: US Climate Scientists Emigrating to France

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

French government broadcaster France24 claims President Macron’s offer of fifty grants is luring climate scientists away from the US to work in France.

US researchers flock to join Macron’s climate change project

Latest update : 2017-12-13

Eighteen climate scientists, 13 of them based in the United States, were on Monday named the first beneficiaries of the research grants linked to French President Macron’s “Make Our Planet Great Again” project, which will see them relocate to France.

“The selected projects are of very high standards and deal with issues that are particularly important,” the jury said in a statement, noting its members had received a total of 1,822 applications, of which 1,123 came from the US. A second round of laureates will be announced “during the course of the spring of 2018”, it said.

In all, a total of 50 research grants will be handed out, lasting a minimum of three years and worth between €1 million and €1.5 million each.

Among Monday’s 18 laureates were senior researchers from prestigious US universities, including Venkatramani Balaji from Princeton, Nuria Teixido from Stanford University and Louis Derry from Cornell University. Although the vast majority of the laureates are currently based in the US, they also include researchers from Canada, India, Italy, Poland and Spain.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20171211-climate-france-macron-paris-accord-planet-great-again-us-researchers-grants-trump

I don’t believe most climate research and government sponsored energy projects yield sufficient benefit to justify public funding, but it is possible to oppose public funding, yet still feel sorry for people who are about to lose their jobs.

If France is happy to step into the breach, who are we to argue? The French people set their own priorities. I’m glad US climate scientists on the brink of losing their funding have other options.

US climate scientists worried about their financial future should accept the generous French offer before the offer is withdrawn, or the French grant quota is filled.

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156 thoughts on “France24: US Climate Scientists Emigrating to France

  1. Maybe not so bad, the US get less to deal with regarding political biased science and less expenses.
    I would even think it would be great if Swedish and Danish likewise political biased scientists would go to France. In that way we collect them all in one country.

    • What happened to the old mantra, “France is for the French?” Are they trading ‘mantra’ for ‘dogma’, do you reckon?

    • “””””….. yet still feel sorry for people who are about to lose their jobs. …..”””””
      In order to lose your job, you have to have a job in the first place.

      Digging holes in the road, then using the dirt to fill the hole in the road, does not qualify as a job.

      Most people who do have jobs, create more wealth for everybody than they are paid for their work.

      In the US, the Constitution (Article I section 8 list 17 things the Congress is authorized to do, and we don’t mind paying some taxes to have those services needed by all; such as defending the Country.

      But we don’t need to be paying for the terminally unemployable who are perfectly capable of working at productive enterprises.

      G

      • Yes…exactly.

        As I tell my kids, whatever you choose to do in life needs to add/provide value to others. The standard, albeit one dimensional, measure of value is (essentially) your paycheck. You want to be an artist (as an offhand example)? Fine. Just understand that your paycheck will reflect the value you are adding to people’s lives. My recommendation, seek to do something that you can quantitatively AND qualitatively ensure adds value. Your life will be fuller and richer when you maximize both of these.

        rip

      • Well, I made a pretty good living building and repairing roads. The year before I retired, I grossed $78,000 running a hot mix asphalt plant. The years I spent chasing artistic fulfillment, fame, and the wild dollar sign banging out beer joint boogie, not nearly so much. Doesn’t mean I put Barney, my faithful B-3, out to pasture. Still love to crank him up and wail. Just needed to find another way to buy my beans without going to work at the Chicken Ranch.

    • It will help to clean out the swamp and provide the opportunity to bring real science back to the USA

    • At last, some legitimate “climate refugees” fleeing the rising tide of climate skepticism in America.

      • We could encourage them to leave by offering to buy back their citizenships. We could discourage them from returning by imposing severe penalties for returning to the U.S. for any reason.

    • I don’t recall, is climate science the oldest profession or is it something else? I know it had something to do with providing whatever outputs the payer desires.

      • “I don’t recall, is climate science the oldest profession or is it something else?”

        Oldest profession indeed. Only, in older times, instead of calling it climate “science”, they called it entrail reading, climate prophecy, future divination. Same old thing, just new name.

      • Well, the film indicated prostitution was the oldest profession.
        But did hunting predate that?
        Or butchery/cooking/gathering/even basic medicine?

        Do we know the mechanics of early Pleistocene family groups well enough to say?
        Or did they all co-evolve?

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  2. I suspect there will be a departure celebration with most of the US at the airport waving goodbye to these deluded, greedy sods.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to them after the 3 year term is over. Politicians don’t encourage immigrants, even highly educated ones, without a follow on plan for them.

    Le (La?) McDonalds perhaps?

    • The socialists of France are betting on Trump only having 1 term. After that, they believe the migrant climate workers will return as heroes to the New Peoples Republic of America. I think they don’t understand the USA.

    • Apart from sucking government teats, those climate scientologists are not even “fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library”., to reuse the USA Today lines.

    • Macdo?
      Or is it Mcdo?

      Similar in France as their language absorbs more English [of whatever branch of the language]; I am sure that they will soon have ‘fudge’, ‘diversionary comments’ and – possibly ‘fr4uD’. Possibly.

      Still, I welcome the relocation of these folk from US funding – let’s drain the swamp.
      Now – on this side of the Ditch –
      Pity no Government minister here seems to think we have a marshy area here – let alone a swamp needing draining.

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      • Auto

        The English language absorbs other languages. It’s powerful, yet flexible enough to do so.

        The French, on the other hand, have, I believe, a language police, ensuring French language purity.

        I’m grateful I’m an English speaker and that I accept the evolution of our language.

        No wonder my English compatriots recall Agincourt, with the two fingered expression of defiance for the French practise of cutting off the index and forefingers of captured bowmen.

        We beat the French in many battles over the years, and they were the sworn enemy of the English.

        But come WW1 and WW2, we stood fast and fought with them against the Hun.

        So now they betray the UK.

        Treacherous little frogs.

  3. It’s always Christmas somewhere for climate scientists.
    Having said that, it’s not impossible that the research they do might even be good and useful. We’d need to see the specifics of what exactly is being funded.

    • Something is wrong here though.

      This Macron guy is going to create a worldwide “Climate scientist Gap”. Socialists are supposed to get rid of “Gaps” … achievement gaps … income gaps … gender gaps … science knowledge gaps. They usually can’t stand other peoples gaps (Its odd though, as they do seem to like their own personal gaps). But in this case, the spiteful Macron wants to expand a gap … he wants to stand over there in France and say “Look at your great big empty Gap, aren’t you jealous that I’ve filled my Gap to the point that it is overflowing?”

      If he were a true and good global socialist he would acknowledge that the U.S.A. has a significant Political Policy GAP that is based on a Science Knowledge GAP, and he would be paying for & sending all climate experts to the U.S.A..

      Mr. Macron is a bad socialist, and he is over-gapping his own country.

      • DonM
        I am not sure M. Macron is a socialist.

        He strikes me as being fairly similar to one Anthony Blair – late of this parish, but now, seemingly – at Drawing All Faiths Together – DAFT – a being of pure energy, albeit with some (considerable) physical property.
        Interested in Power for himself – if not at all sure what to do with it.

        Macron may seem to want to drag Socialist France back from the featherbedding of ‘workers’ -but mI am not sure that he has the backbone . . . . .

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  4. Don’t speak of “climate scientists” in this regard.
    I only see a bunch of money-grubbing clueless and lip-sync morons.

    • Dr. Seuss had an interesting poetic parable about such charlatans. It was titled “Star Bellied Sneetches”. A few stanzas hit the nail spot on:

      “My friends”, he announced in a voice clear and clean,
      “My name is Sylvester McMonkey McBean.
      And I’ve heard of Your troubles. I’ve heard you’re unhappy.
      But I can fix that, I’m the Fix-It-Up Chappie.

      I’ve come here to help you.
      I have what you need.
      And my prices are low. And I work with great speed.
      And my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed!”

  5. Having got away with their appalling behaviour in the US, it may be a very big shock to find that others work in different ways. And given the speed at which they go to court, I would be very interested to know the difference between French and US libel laws.

  6. Wonder why France, with all its nukes, would want to inflate the price of electricity through carbon alarmism? Germany, the Frogs are putting you in a pot on slow simmer.

    • Interesting observation, you may be on to something.

      Personally, I prefer my frog legs deep fried, Baton Rouge style, with a bit of hot sauce. The traditional French approach tastes too much like chicken with a lot of butter.

    • I believe that the French nuclear power plants are approaching their “use-by” dates and would have to be decommissioned anyway. The sin here is that France, having shown how to use nuclear to generate much of its power, is replacing the nuclear plants with undispatchable renewables.

  7. This looks like an oportunity for the new Disney/Fox to shoot a witness protection/culture clash/conspiracy theory comedy. The Family/The Hundred-Foot Journey/Chocolat/Arlington Road/A Beautiful Mind. But who would play the ususal suspects?

    • Gil Bellows acting clueless, Terry O’Quinn as the lovable con-man, and Chris Heyrdahl doing his best “what! me? you’ve got to be kidding!”

      • Clarification!!! Gil Bellows, as an actor, acting clueless, which he pulls off very well. In real life he is anything but clueless.

  8. Attention Emigrating Climate Scientists: Unless you renounce US citizenship you are still required to file US Federal tax returns and pay taxes on your income, even if 100% is earned from activities outside the US.

    • However, one can deduct any taxes paid overseas, which might well be higher (personal experience). Maybe we should persuade the Congress to cut this “loophole” out in the tax-reform bill? Nah, it would hurt too many guiltless US ex-pats.

  9. Apparently no one really believes the “Settled science” claim about global warming. Considering
    the pathetic state of the science after the billions spent on research over the past 20 years,
    Macron is making a political, not scientific, statement here. And a cheap one at that – a piddling $50 million over 3 years, $17 million per year. What a cheapskate. I predict wonderfully irrelevant results
    from the politicized scientists who accept this offer.

  10. Les francais are of course world leaders in cuisine.
    However they have acknowledged their need of international help in learning to cook the climate, butter up the back-radiation, saute the sea level rise, parboil the parameters, frappe the feedback, dress the downwelling IR, macerate the measurements of temperature, …

  11. It is a clever ploy by the French!
    They will cherry pick the best Climate scientist,(small,S).
    The one most likely to attract the most funding,
    Then claim to be the most progressive world saving country.

  12. Unsurprisingly, Macron’s scheme is not universally popular in France.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20171002-france-climate-change-scientists-lament-macron-foreign-researchers-make-planet-great-again says in part:

    But while France’s national research agency, the CNRS (Le Centre national de la recherche scientifique), is patting itself on the back over the sheer number, as well as the high quality, of the applicants, some French researchers are critical of the project, describing it as nothing but a PR stunt pulled by the president to boost France’s image abroad. The expertise already exists but the funding for such research in France is scarce.

    “We already have very gifted researchers in France, especially in the domain that deals with global warming. Some of them are members of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), which proves we have nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to our scientific performance,” Olivier Berné, an astrophysicist at CNRS, told FRANCE 24 in an interview. Instead, Berné said, the government should invest in “a fairer and more ambitious project when it comes to research and higher education in France”.

    Berné also cast doubt on the government’s real motives behind the project. “These funds were already earmarked for future research programmes and so there was no particular effort on their part,” he said.

    “We’re spending €60 million on a fairly non-pertinent project at a time when this money could have been better spent on, for example, universities,” he said. “For us, this is difficult to swallow, and it doesn’t correspond to the boost we were expecting [from the government]. If France is an attractive country with a high quality of scientific research, it’s because of the model we have – with permanent staff positions and which offers a certain quality of life. But this model is in danger today.”

    • “…with permanent staff positions and which offers a certain quality of life.”

      Yes, a gilded life riding a socialist gravy train is great until OPM runs out.

    • RE: “the CNRS is patting itself on the back over the sheer number, as well as the high quality, of the applicants”
      “High quality” eh? – the French are in for a surprise of the disappointing kind!

  13. Sacre bleu! France will have their climate change stopped in its tracks while ours will go on and on forever. Pauvre, pauvre Amérique.

    • As a serious comment I haven’t seen many climate scientists who have the physics skill set to get a better understanding, you really need more hard science types. The consensus and political rubbish in the field is toxic and seems to be limiting hard science types entering the field.

  14. Oh, and remember — climate science is strictly about the science and not at all influenced by money or politics.

  15. More power to them. I just hope the proposals accepted by the French are in areas that really need studying, and that the academics involved are true scientists and not activists. There is still much of the Earth’s climate that is not yet, and may never be understood, but still worth studying.

  16. Note that NONE of the very-scary predictions by the IPCC and its minions have ever proven correct. They have a perfectly NEGATIVE predictive track record, and thus NEGATIVE CREDIBILITY.

    Write me a note when ONE of these fr@udsters makes ONE correct prediction about global warming, wilder weather, etc. I’ve been waiting for thirty years and they STILL have not got anything correct.

    Quelle surprise!

  17. The article does not say that the “climate scientists” must move to France in order to collect their grants. Might they stay in the US, and still get their money? That would be terrible. For the US that is.

    • ‘Eighteen climate scientists, 13 of them based in the United States, were on Monday named the first beneficiaries of the research grants linked to French President Macron’s “Make Our Planet Great Again” project, which will see them relocate to France.’

      So it’s true you’re getting rid of some CO2 exhalers and lowering your emissions and I can’t think of a better way of observing these international obligations can you?

      • The lines you quoted did not say they were going to France. It said they are getting money from France. We can’t reduce our emissions of CO2 or bovine dejecta if they stay here.

      • English: Make Our Planet Great Again or MOPGA.

        French: Rendre sa grandeur à notre planete, parfois abrégé or RSGANPPA

        Hmmmm!

  18. Ok, so the first – Venkatramani Balaji – is an “associate professor.” So maybe lack of tenure is an issue. Whatever.

    The second – Nuria Teixido – has a page here http://nuriateixido.info/ where she states that she is “a research associate at Stazione Zoologica Anton Dohrn, Naples, Italy and a research visitor at Hopkins Marine Station of Stanford University.” Disingenuous to refer to her as one of the “senior researchers from prestigious US universities” or “currently based in the US.”

    The last – Louis Derry – did his post-doc in France. I don’t know if he has tenure yet, but he didn’t as of 2009, which was 13 yrs after joining the faculty at Cornell. Interestingly, he worked in the mining industry and also for Chevron, so he’s part eeeeeeeeevil.

    Much ado about nothing. If they offered grant money for other fields, they’d have a good response.

    • Thanks for this info – I hadn’t recognized any of the names and was wondering where the truly great US climate scientists were.

  19. France’s Climate Plan Making our planet great again
    https://www.makeourplanetgreatagain.fr/ClimatPlan
    One highlight:

    IMPROVING THE DAILY LIVES OF ALL FRENCH PEOPLE
    Climate change affects all French people. Actions to reduce emissions must be taken immediately. It is therefore important that everyone can immediately begin seeing the benefits for their quality of life that are associated with adapting our ways of life to our climate objectives.
    APPROACH 3.
    MAKING THERMAL RENOVATIONS A NATIONAL PRIORITY AND ERADICATING ENERGY POVERTY WITHIN 10 YEARS
    Energy bills are the second largest regular expense in a household, and 1 in 5 households are experiencing energy poverty: we will make the thermal renovations of housing a national priority.
    This is a virtuous source of energy saving that will improve our energy independence and reduce bills for French people, all while improving their quality of life and developing an efficient construction industry.

    • The Climate gangreen want to fight the heat of global warming by insulating homes to conserve…heat.
      Scratch. Head.

      • Frederic Insulation is one of the most economic investments available. Economic optimum insulation is about double most recommendations. And with optimal insulation, the heat inside the building from lights and people provide most of the heat needed – so need to control ventilation rates. Note that with higher insulation, the outside balance temperature falls, reducing the conventional “heating degree days”.

  20. These grants will create a lot of jobs. The unemployment rate may even drop under 9% in a year or two. And France will be on a way to get a lot of Nobel Peace Prizes, Oscars, and many Palme d’Or.

    • Any one up for generating a list of candidates for the second round of Macron’s grand RSGANPPA? (See above at 2:44 PM for for translation.)

    • A funny PR move would be for Trump to donate some federal bucks (maybe Obama-legacy climate dollars) to Macron to expand his second round (for American designees).

  21. The steam generated by all of France;s nuclear power stations are going to scare the burning pants off those guys when they get there.

  22. So France doesn’t have enough m0rons, and wants to import more, not just from Islamic countries, but also from USA. Makes sense. Or not.

  23. So why do we need so many “climate scientists” (who are self styled) when the ‘debate is settled’? How many rent seekers are required for something that is supposedly beyond reproach? How much worse can they make their message than total annihilation of the human race? Wait and see.

  24. It will be interesting to learn which they acknowledge first: (1) CAGW isn’t real or (2) no-go zones in France are.

  25. … gives new meaning to the phrase, “follow the money”.

    I see how the IQ of people in the U.S. will be increased, but how does this increase the IQ of people in France? I’ll probably figure it out as soon as I hit the “Post Comment” button.

  26. Two thoughts.

    1) Every euro France pays to the “Climate immigrants” is a euro not going to the UN Green Climate Fund! That is a very good thing.

    2) The “Climate immigrants” will be exposed to the French Government and Culture and in short order understand the French version of Citizenship, Nationalism and Racism. “jus sanguis” “right of the blood” and “by the blood”. “jus soli” “right of the soil” and “by the soil”. The “Climate immigrants” are in for a big shock! They are neither “of the soil” i.e. born in France and not “of the blood” i.e. no French mother. But by “jus monnai” “right of money” and “by the money” they will come to understand they are only a new version of the French Foreign Legion. But in modern France does “Service to France” earn “Citizenship” i.e. “jus citoyen” “right of the citizen”? Doubtful. “Saluer” “Salute”.

    Ha ha

  27. Well Napoleon was a ‘small man’ with huge ambition. Macron is , well, a small man with big ambitions. Of course France has been sitting pretty with its nuclear power base load, so perhaps he can afford to play to the gallery a bit here. Of late, however, the UK has ‘stoked up’ French energy requirements using our coal fired capacity as witnessed by the channel connector current flow. Not the case today since it looks like we need the coal production capacity to meet our own needs. At this time of year, if we did away with our remaining coal power we’d be screwed.

  28. As Muldoon, a late NZ Prime Minister said, this will increase the average intelligence level in both countries.

  29. Too bad they couldn’t take them all. Maybe the ones left behind can claim asylum as ‘Climate Change’ refugees.

  30. If France is happy to accommodate surplus Climate Scientists, they should be encouraged to do so. France could become a World Refuge for all our surplus Climate Scientists who at present are producing no useful results, at all, all around the World and being very costly in the process. The Climate Scientists can spend their time in France checking to see if the Science is really settled, and the rest of France can keep working to pay for those parasites.

  31. I recently read an article that said that around 80% of medical research is garbage.
    Maybe we can encourage France to take our medical “researchers” as well?
    I can see a trend here in which we can do serious damage to the Federal deficit.

  32. Doesn’t this qualify under the old adage: “Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.”?

  33. We’re just paying France back for all the engineers and scientists that fled France for the US. Before socialized medicine, France used to be a world leader creating new drugs and medical devices. But there hasn’t been any money in it for decades so the best engineers and scientists go to the US. I’d say the US is getting the better deal: Actual life-saving pharmaceuticals and devices vs. climate vaporware..

  34. The most prominent of these refugees, climate-modeler Venkatramani Balaji (NOAA and Princeton) has been involved in projects funded with 99 million dollars and 2.1 million „CPU-hours“ computing time (up to 2012).
    Maybe he could numerically anticipate a drought of funds this side of the Atlantic.

  35. Macron has publicly said he will make the planet a better place. What more do you need? The ego has landed. His plan? To replace 80/20 nuclear plus hydro sustainable zero CO2 24/7 power with weak intermittent windmills that use far more resources /KWh and cause massive and whi olly unnecessary environmental damage . A clueless egomaniac in science fact, then.

    No doubt the renewables will be backed up by coal when they aren’t working, like the travesty enacted by his science denying friedn Merkel with Energiewende. You can’t fix stupid. As for the pointless climate scientists, who think pseudo science models prove their prejudices that they fed into them in the first place, they belong on the dole queue, surely? Real science is not climate science, as evinced by statistical models that can never be proven, ipso fact. We simply don’t need that sort of science or these sort ot religious scientists. Better you lose them to France where they can do less damage to the US economy, energy supply and the real climate..

    They can become economists, sociologists, weather forecasters, bookmakers, etc. similar discpilines. Correlation is not causation, but it is accep[ted as such in these other unprovable guess industries. Real science isn’t dne or proven by statistical modellers. Just saying what the facts are.

  36. Awesome. They’ll be happier living in a socialist democracy (mob rule … seal from the rich) than a republic (protect all but do for yourself). We’ll be fine without them.

  37. Can they take some politicians too? I know a fellow with the initials JT, and he speaks french as well, but the real french may not accept that.

    • If you are thinking of who I am thinking you mean, he doesn’t fit, as he is not a US citizen. Possible Cuban citizenship, if the rumors are correct, but not US.

  38. France: the epitome of stupidity. The Islamist, dhimmi state of France embraces Islam and Climate fraud. What’s next?

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