Climate Hypocrite President Macron Sucking Coal Power from Britain

President Emmanuel Macron. By, CC BY 4.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to The Guardian, a temporary shortage of nuclear power in France forced France to buy substantial amounts of “dirty” coal power from Britain – right at the time French President Macron was taunting President Trump, and pushing for climate trade tariffs against countries which do not share the EU’s “climate values”.

Polluting UK coal plants export power to France as cold weather bites

Adam Vaughan

Saturday 18 November 2017 19.39 AEDT

UK’s last eight coal stations are working to exploit falling temperatures and absence of offline reactors in France to export power across the Channel

Polluting coal power stations in Britain have been profiting from the woes of the low-carbon French nuclear industry this month, according to analysis of energy generation data for the Guardian.

Tricastin, one of France’s biggest nuclear power stations, was closed by the French regulator in September so that works could be undertaken to address a flood risk.

The plant’s reactors make up four of the 39 currently offline in the French nuclear power industry, which experienced even worse outages last winter due to regulatory safety checks.

The operators of Britain’s eight remaining coal power stations appear to have stepped in to exploit higher French prices, exporting power across the channel as temperatures have plunged. UK coal power generation has declined rapidly in recent years under the carbon tax.

Most of the time, France sends electricity to the UK through 43-mile-long cables between Folkestone and a site near Calais, but in November there have been more hours when power has flowed in the other direction.

On Friday, power through the interconnector was almost entirely flowing at maximum capacity towards France.

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The last link to BM Reports demonstrates how dependent France was on imported coal power from Britain in November (view Historic Reports, enter the date range you want to view). The original Guardian post also provides a graph of the interconnector flow between France and Britain.

What a surprise – Macron’s France is a climate hypocrite. President Macron’s climate values only apply when it suits him.

On a positive note, the French President for once put his people’s needs first. But this does not excuse his rank hypocrisy, his hypocritical anti-American climate posturing at COP23, all at the same time France was utterly dependent at times on imported coal power from Britain.

One more delicious twist – a small portion of the coal burned to keep the lights on in France was imported from the USA.

120 thoughts on “Climate Hypocrite President Macron Sucking Coal Power from Britain

    • I have a theory that the empty headed arrogance such as displayed by the Toy Boy will be used to bite the West where it really hurts before too long, maybe in the next 5 or 10 years. The theory is that the Chinese, the Russians, the Indians and other similar nations and many others who are increasingly looking to them for investment and leadership will call out the CAGW idiocy not just for the vacuous nonsense that it is but as being a confected device contrived by the ‘liberal’ West to try to hold back its emerging competitors economically, not to ‘save the planet’ but to save the West’s position of power and privilege.

      The sheer irony of this development will probably escape the idiots as they are typically pretty much punch drunk when dealing with reality at the best of times or at least completely pissed out of their childish little minds on their own self importance.

      Hope I am wrong to some extent but then it may be the only way out if the imbeciles are not shown up for what they are.

      • Obama told Africans the world would boil if they got the same privileges as the developed world.

        it is all about keeping the poor in their place so the rich can continue to enjoy the good life.

        imagine the uproar if trump had made the same speech. fake news would still be frothing at the mouth.

      • I agree M. Seward. The West will be blamed as you say. People fear the rise of other groups/nations. It is the elistist Liberal-Left doing this, not the conservative right-of centers’, who are ok with the real world. The egotistiscal Left – Socialist-Greens are instinctively trying to suppress developing nations, who they do not trust to “protect the environment”, and are afraid of the rise of new powerful nations.

  1. The situation is only going to get worse as central Europe faces a likely cold winter ahead.
    France’s econmc competitiveness will suffer under the higher electricity costs.
    Merkel’s lignite coal problem emissions will worsen too as her wind turbines slow to a crawl.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s US economy will roar ahead in 2018, unleashed by cheaper energy and (hopefully) corporate tax reform.

    The chickens are slowly coming home to roost on the quite poor energy decisions Europe has made on electricity and how to pay for the Climate Hustle.

    • They can always beg Russia to supply them LNG… Of course the Russians better hurry because we are going to start exporting LNG to Europe in the not too distant future.

  2. From the article: “According to The Guardian, a temporary shortage of nuclear power in France forced France to buy substantial amounts of “dirty” coal power from Britain – right at the time French President Macron was taunting President Trump,”

    It’s not a good idea to taunt President Trump. He will taunt you back.

    Macron should have gone to the U.S. presentation at COP23 where the U.S. was promoting coal and gas. It sounds like Macron could use some.

  3. “The operators of Britain’s eight remaining coal power stations appear to have stepped in to exploit higher French prices, exporting power across the channel as temperatures have plunged.”

    Britain’s coal powered generating plants are “exploiting” France? Did they make France take the electricity? Or, did France request electricity, and only the coal plants had the capacity to deliver?


    • It is like the French WW2 rifle story told on gun trader websites.

      For Sale: French pre-WW2 1939 Berthier rifle. Pristine condition. Never fired. Dropped once.

      • They are French… how significant can they be… ?? !!

        They voted Macaroon in, after all. !

        So they must be basically brain-dead.

      • “It is like the French WW2 rifle story told on gun trader websites.”

        The French dead in Vietnam numbered 55,000, nearly as many as the 58,000 Americans killed there, though France has one-fifth the population of the United States. France’s eight-year war officially began 50 years ago today.
        NY Times 1996

      • Hell was once described as a place where the French are the politicians, the Germans are the police, and the British are the cooks. I think that Eisenhower during WW II would have agreed with the French part. They caused him no end of trouble through out the war.

      • “French war dead; WW1 1.15 million (in combat), WW2 0.21 million (in combat) so not insignificant.”
        Historian Max Hastings says the majority of French WW2 dead died fighting for the Axis (i.e. for Hitler).

    • in to exploit higher French prices

      Lol. I’m sure French consumers felt exploited because the price did not skyrocket.

      That’s markets for you.

  4. A bit of Grauniad• bias here, of course …
    Polluting coal power stations in Britain have been profiting …
    UK’s last eight coal stations are working to exploit …
    … when they could simply have said “Britain’s coal-fired power stations have been helping France to get through a temporary shortage of nuclear power”.
    [•-The Guardian is often referred to as The Grauniad because of it’s high incidence of typos.]

      • Grrr. I didn’t put in that apostrophe. Serves me right for using an Apple.

        Yeah, fingers are generally better for typing

      • That’s funny, Mango! 🙂

        Yeah, typing with an apple would be a problem.

        I had an operation a few months ago, and somehow they irritated the nerve that runs to my left hand (I assume one of their needles possibly irritated the nerve) and after the operation, the last three fingers on my left hand were numb to the point that it felt like I was using an apple to type for a while. I couldn’t feel the keys good enough and made numerous mistakes I had to correct.

        Fortunately, over time, the numbness has gone away and the fingers are just about back to normal. At least I can now type without constantly correcting the text.

    • “The Guardian is often referred to as The Grauniad because of it’s high incidence of typos.”

      Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering about that.

      • It is worse than that. One of the typos was the header graph where they actually mis-spelled their own name as The Grauniad. (Or so I was told by a conservative friend in Huntingdon when I lived there.)

  5. “President Macron Sucking Coal Power”
    This is silly. Macron does not control the EU market. According to the quoted article
    “The operators of Britain’s eight remaining coal power stations appear to have stepped in to exploit higher French prices”
    “appear to have”. Any supplier can bid to provide power. And then there’s this:
    “Most of the time, France sends electricity to the UK through 43-mile-long cables between Folkestone and a site near Calais, but in November there have been more hours when power has flowed in the other direction.”
    Because a French nuke was being repaired. Maybe France needs more wind farms 😉

    • Well if your going to be logical about it, the President could have just declared Save the Planet month in France.

      • I agree entirely with Nick. I sometimes think that the worthy Eric feels he just has to write 300 words every two days or he is not doing his job.

        This is pretty shallow stuff.

        Mind you, the Guardian take on it is hardly grown-up, either

      • Maybe France needs more wind farms????
        May be France needs more 100% available 24/7/365 Nuclear Power Generators

    • I would emphatically submit France needs more coal plants – they run when the wind doesn’t blow – but hey!
      Anybody find it hot outside? I sure wish it was 2 degrees cooler so that all will be right with the planet (again)

    • Nick

      If you have travelled in France recently you will have seen the results of Frances current energy policy which is to develop the wind industry and down size the nuclear one.

      Of course, when talking of hypocrisy there is no one worse than the Germans and their increased dependence on coal, as they try to phase out their nuclear plants.


      • Tony,
        “Of course, when talking of hypocrisy”
        You shouldn’t. Germany is simply trying to reconcile two conflicting imperatives. Governments have to do that. You may think they shouldn’t retreat from nukes, but they are a democracy and it seems to be what people want. They will push toward more renewables, but in the mean time something has to give. That’s not “hypocrisy”, it’s just trying to govern as best possible with conflicting requirements.

      • “two conflicting imperatives”

        Yep, the imperative to cow-tow to the AGW and socialist agenda.

        Or to look after their people and secure their future against the rising tide of manic socialist.

        Which do YOU think they should do, Nick ?

      • Nick I think that is the first time I have seen a statement about how democracy needs to work from a CAGW comment. There was a kicker under Merkel’s decision that the Green Party was definitely out if Nuclear power wan’t to be phased out.

        They are fast running up against there own deadline.

        If we don’t work it out by 6 pm on Sunday, the whole thing is dead.

        So you should know in the next few hours.

      • Nick, you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge about Merkel’s coal plant scheme, which
        was enacted after her orders to shut down German nuclear plants, which WAS NOT the result of any democratic outcry. Democracies never guarantee that govt actions are based on democratic
        public opinion, in large part for the rather obvious reason that these govts are not, in fact, democracies at all – they are, at best so-called representatve democracies in which the govt officials, not the public, control the actions of the govt. Elections are usually a long way off and actions clearly against the public will will not necessairy, or even usually, determine the election, which is a choice between two candidates, neither of which is likely to support eveything the public supports. Nick has an illusory idea of how “democracies” operate, or even what they are.

      • Nick

        I am glad you agree that the democratic aspect is important, as what most of us voters want is cheap, reliable and secure energy that is available 24 hours a day and not only when the weather gods decide to smile or expel air and give us sun or wind.

        I don’t remember being asked about carbon taxes, or massive wind and solar power stations ruining our countryside or importing wood pellets from America.

        Still now you tell us it is the voters who can at last call the tune I would be grateful if you can ensure our leaders get the message.


      • Nick Stokes
        .”……..Germany is simply trying to reconcile two conflicting imperatives. Governments have to do that. You may think they shouldn’t retreat from nukes, but they are a democracy and it seems to be what people want. They will push toward more renewables, but in the mean time something has to give. That’s not “hypocrisy”, it’s just trying to govern as best possible with conflicting requirements…….”

        “Wall Street Journal Calls Merkel’s Energiewende “A Meltdown” Involving “Astronomical Costs”

        “Quickly turning into a huge embarrassment
        Once seen as “a paragon of green energy virtue“, the Energiewende is nothing like it was sold to be by green energy hucksters. In fact things have gotten so bad that we can expect activists to grow totally silent on Germany’s Energiewende as its failure becomes glaring and embarrassing.
        The WSJ editorial boards reminds readers that Germany is not even going to come close to meeting it’s 2020 or 2030 targets, despite the hundreds of billions of euros committed to the project so far.
        No greenhouse gas reductions in 9 years
        The truth is that the lion’s share of the country’s greenhouse gas reductions happened right after 1990 when free market principles were implemented to revamp totally run-down Communist East Germany. Yet since the mass state intervention that is the Energiewende, Germany’s reductions have ground to a halt. In reality the country — under Merkel’s leadership — has not seen its emissions of greenhouse gases fall since the end of the last decade, 2009! Read here…”

    • Why did the French not get their power from Germany?, which has, as any reader of Griff and listener to the BBC knows, wind and solar energy in such excess they are desperate to export it And it would be far more acceptable to the French than having to go cap(beret) in hand to perfidious Albion.
      Could it be there was NO wind energy available on the Continent , so more wind farms in France would have been no use at all on this occasion?

      • Germany, the pathfinder, should have helped France with some Renewable Power which is already cheaper than coal!!! / sarc

    • France already has a number of onshore wind farms. The trouble is that some of their turbines are not particularly reliable. On train journeys through Northern and middle France last year my wife and I amused ourselves by counting a number of stationary turbines siting amongst their revolving colleagues.

      There did not appear to be any men working on or close to them so we assumed that they were not being stopped for maintenance purposes.

      Since a few appeared to be missing a blade it is possible, of course, that these had been removed to clean them from bat and bird blood! [sarc]

    • “Because a French nuke was being repaired.” Wrong on all counts – the French nuke mentioned was not being “repaired” but was making site changes to counter any conceivable(and highly unlikely) floods. And the real reason for the French shortage wasn’t because a single nuclear plant went offline : 39 French nuclear plants have been shuttered to check this and that, almost all of which only came about because of the Fukushima meltdown, an action so completely impossible in France that one wonders why the French even paid attention to accident in Japan (which inconveniently caused zero human deaths or casualties). The EU did prescribe nuclear plants to take even greater precautions that power would be available for the plant’s cooling pumps post any accident. They are and with them disappears any rational cause for worry about a nuclear accident.

    • You need to get out of your bubble more.

      France is deliberately moving away from nuclear power to renewables…. this is a politically driven policy shift, not a maintenance issue. Yes, France’s reactors are aging and requiring maintenance but the decision has been made to replace them with ‘windmills’ (sic).

      “France, one of the world’s leaders in nuclear energy production, plans to draw down nuclear’s share of electricity generation from 75 to 50 percent by 2025—giving itself a 10-year time frame equivalent to the complete shutdown now ongoing in Germany. “

      • and France has set a date for closing all its remaining coal plant – either 2023 or 2025 (memory fails me, no time to look it up)

        By the way, by law all new French commercial buildings must have 50% of roof space either solar panels or a green roof. And they have a law enforcing switch off of lights in commercial premises overnight…

  6. France is determined to beat out Australia as the poster country on how to go from energy sufficiency to energy dependence. Germany looked like it was in the run for a while but their fallback to coal power has saved them thus far. The UK is still in limbo but with Brexit they have some hope to return to where they were a decade ago. Meanwhile, the lone holdout for saving the world the US is the only country that has reduced CO2 emissions significantly….. not that it matters to the rest of the world (or to Climate Change for that matter). And China still remains the Climate Change darling even though they negated any CO2 emission savings made by the rest world. You can’t make this stuff up.

    • “You can’t make this stuff up.”

      They “made-up” the whole AGW farc….. so yes, they can make up this sort of idiocy.

      Goes hand in hand with the whole farcical anti-CO2 agenda.

    • It’s a race to bottom and UK is certainly in the race for how many self inflicted problems can you make. Australian politicians thought they would give it a crack by starting a dual citizenship witch hunt. Not to be outdone the Germany Jamacian alliance thought the might play a bit of brinkmanship and looking increasingly likely they will be back to the polls where the ultra right will make even more ground.

      • “Ultra right” eh? Suppose you mean those people who want reliable affordable power and to not be overrun by third world Mohammedans. Regular brutes those “ultra right” folks.

      • It’s not a witch hunt – it’s called applying the rules of the constitution.

        Flashback to February:
        “Australian politicians don’t adhere to the constitution, the public mostly isn’t aware that we have one, and when they are aware, they don’t know what’s actually in it. If the public was aware of the content, they might realize, for example, that several politicians sit in the parliament while holding the right to citizenship of a foreign nation, and are therefore disqualified from sitting in the parliament by section 44.

        Rules aren’t aren’t only made for the peasantry to obey. That’s why lady justice is supposed to be blind.

    • “Meanwhile, the lone holdout for saving the world the US is the only country that has reduced CO2 emissions significantly….. not that it matters to the rest of the world”

      I bet it does gall them privately, especially the European elites, although they wouldn’t say so out loud.

  7. In France, EDF are in a bit of trouble. All of their Nuclear power plants were built in the late 70s, early 80s and are almost at the end of their 40 year lifespan. They have had to ask for a 10 year extension, but the French nuclear safety authority won’t rule on this until 2020-21.

    Also, according to EDF, a total of 19 of their 58 reactors – which generate three quarters of France’s electricity – are currently offline, although 15 of those are expected to restart by early December to be ready for the coldest winter months

    • So….. If the French Safety authorities refuse to renew the licenses of those “elderly” nuclear plants does this mean Bastille II in 2022?

      • That’s not bureaucratic tradition to refuse anything to major players. The worst they can do is to require more hard work on some components, and much more paperwork, that will result in dela. Also expect that EDF decide “on its own”, to close a minor plant (abandon its initial renewing licence claim) because required work would be to costly.

  8. President Macron would have been better to order rolling blackouts so as to balance the French national grid than sign up for coal fired electricity imports from Britain. At least he would have preserved his honour especially during the Bonn conference. What an ignorant hypocrite is right. I have some friends and acquaintances who are all in on the CAGW bandwagon. Some actually try and put their money where their mouth is and walk the talk, living very modestly. And some of them engage in civil polite debate and discussion over a home made beer. I have a lot more respect for them even if I do not agree with their scientific position. But at least they are not hypocrites. And ironically, they will be well prepared for when the climate does take a serious cooling downtrend for the next cycle to come.

  9. Not only electrikery… something probably even more important (to a Frenchman) – food, esp butter.

    After years of horrendous & petty bureaucracy, rad tape and general loathing from the Great British Public, many farmers myself included, just packed up and walked away.
    Just as The Great Unwashed realised that butter (saturated fat) might actually be good for them (still quite contrary to Government health advice) and have started eating it again, a bureaucratic mess in the way of pricing it has created a shortage. Just in time for Christmas, a time when even Elon’s new truck couldn’t move butter fast enough to meet French demand.
    UK supermarket own-brand price has gone from 98pence to 165pence in the last 3 months (250gram pack)

    Calling all turkeys, Christmas is coming soon, are you all getting ready?
    Don’t worry, we’ll cook and baste you with Unicorn fat – currently easier to find than cow fat because of your utter ineptitude.

    • In Aus, the Govn’t approves 97% fat free products, even though we know they are full of sugar, and baked beans, even though we know they are full of salt and sugar. I raised this with a “nutritionist” recently at a hospital and I received a glazed look and no further discussion.

  10. I’m not entirely convinced it’s only coal power that feeds the 2GW interconnector. I’ve been watching it for a while and it appears to carry more power when the wind is blowing whether that be in Germany, France or UK. Just an observation

  11. Interestingly, today, the French Grid has more home produced coal generated electricity surging round than UK coal produced electrons. As a turnaround from previous weeks Germany is producing a lot of wind generated electricity and supplying a fair bit to France and through France a little bit to the UK.

  12. “..his hypocritical anti-American climate posturing at COP23, all at the same time France was utterly dependent at times on imported coal power from Britain.”

    You do know, don’t you, that the French hate America even more than they hate “les putain Anglais”? And that is going some. Despite the evidence of history, they think they can dispose of the English any time they like. But they are still more frightened of America, hence the hate. It almost makes people here feel jilted.

    • But we can cheer ourselves up with a bit of Shakespeare.

      ‘And gentlemen in England now a-bed
      Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
      And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
      That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.’

      • As a student, I met a very sound Frenchman in Seattle. But he appeared to believe there was more than one battle at Agincourt, and that “they” won at least one of them. Sigh.

        We got on very well, and were openly and enjoyably insulting to each other, to the point where some American aquaintances were reluctant to go out drinking with both of us present.

        As an American-born English-raised person I was quite happy to occasionally indulge in criticisms of America. But when I put it to him that an American could say to us “But you are here, aren’t you?”, he could only agree with me. The poor guy was officially still on French military service, and was required to inform them when he crossed the border into Canada for his frequent fishing trips. I secretly suspected it was because he went there to speak French, despite my reasonable efforts.

    • As a Scot living in France I find once the French know I’m Scottish-British rather than English-British there is a slight change in attitude, although the people in this rural area are very welcoming to most English-British as well!

      I find it interesting that the French remember the Scots aid in the Hundred Years and other wars when the English were removed from Aquitaine and all other occupied territory (French view not necessarily English-British view); but forget that once the Scots were fully on-board with empire building from the mid 17th century the French rarely won a war against the British.

    • I don’t know how it is now but it sure as hell was not what I experienced in the late 80s during the cold war when I visited France twice as an American soldier. A bunch of us from 1st Bn., 10th SFG in Bad Tolz boarded a special train to Paris for the Bastille Day celebrations in 1988. We were treated with the utmost respect during the celebrations and treated like kings. A great time was had by all. Before that in 1987 I had taken a part of my leave to visit the Normandy beaches and being a 2nd generation paratrooper and well versed in WW II history, places like St. Mere Egelise and had a great time with no incidents at all. The first visit I was in civilian cloths, the second in dress greens most of the time.

    • French hate winners and love losers. Christian idea run afoul. Now you know why they hate USA, GB, Swiss but are fond of Irrish, Scots, Catalonians, Ukrainians, etc.
      And you also know why socialism rules in France, and why France as so much economic troubles

  13. From the UK perspective, the most important take home fact of this story is that we are too dependent on supply coming through the inter-connectors.It’s very convenient to rely on imports rather than to build more capacity of dependable generation ourselves but when the French run short, we will be the last to get any.

    • And with the devaluing of the pound since Brexir negotiations started, and when the catastrophic economic consequences of Brexit madness become widespread, it is likely that power cuts will become more frequent in the UK.

      • So those ” catastrophic economic consequences ” will involve the complete shut-down of British heavy industry [what’s left, true] – but that will leave all the economic solar and wind energy – so we will no longer even need to meter power in the UK.

        Or is that a marginal mis-statement of your (possibly Remainer – in contrast to a majority of those who voted) position?

        Not enamoured of how the UK – or the EU – has handled the whole referendum possibility/process/outcome.
        But there we are – politicos with egos bigger than their toenails, and utter disregard for the good of their Unions.

      • “Gareth November 19, 2017 at 6:37 am”

        It sounds like to me you didn’t live through the catastrophic consequences that lead up to the winter of discontent in the UK. Words have consequences and Brexit is still to show any significant impact on Britain.

    • That is deliberate government policy…

      Extension of interconnectors has been a key policy since current conservative govt took office.

      but do note about 7GW of interconnectors have been/are being added, including links to Norway, Netherlands, more to France, etc

      • current gov is surely not conservative, the conservative candidate was pushed aside by a judiciary office setup by previous gov (for this purpose, he also hunted down previous president conservative Sarkozy, but no socialist main player) as in an standard african/south-american socialist dictatorship.
        Blair-ish or Schröder-ish socialist

  14. In addition to highlighting sheer GreenStupid and GreenHypocrisy, this situation with France highlights the danger of putting too much dependence on any one of the three legs of the energy stool – coal, gas, and nuclear. France foolishly decided to go big on nuclear, and then compunded that foolishness with airy fairy “green” energy, which is both expensive and unreliable.
    In the interests of diplomacy though, I think Trump should be the bigger man here and offer Macron help with his energy woes with modern-day coal plant technology, as well as the coal to run them. We have lots and lots of coal. He could even send him a lump for Christmas as a sample.
    I call it “Coal Diplomacy”.

    • foolishly?

      If I had a penny for every time I’ve read a piece or comment on how brilliant France is for going nuclear and not renewable I’d have enough to retire on…

  15. This amounts to global energy policy distortion when you add in the clear cutting of US forests for wood pellets to ship across the Atlantic to feed UK power plants to prop up the French market.

  16. Could someone who knows how these things work tell me how the Guardian knew the electrons that emigrated to France were from coal-fired power stations and not from wind farms? I thought it all came out of The Grid. Or was it just an artefact of accounting?

    • No expert on european arrangements but here’s a stab on how it likely works. You are correct – electrons follow the past of least resistance (inverse to the overall impedance) such that the physics of where they come from doesn’t line up with our typical notions of product delivery.

      When there is a “single” system with generation and loads balanced it is problematic to say who got power from where and such statements are sometimes just an artefact of accounting. Entities do funny accounting across hours – such that misleading claims are made that one class or customer is served all from some subgroup of resources after the fact. Often in such cases the “accountants” shift power across the hours with no regard of what drove the actual dispatch of power. I.e You could have wind only on two days a week, but that resource is “deemed” to supply particular loads across the entire week.

      In this case there is a high voltage DC link between England and France which can exchange (import and export) power between their systems. In such arrangements someone on the exporting cranks up a set of resources in order to export the power. The entity supplying the power should have a very good idea of what resources supply the extra incremental generation which allow those export levels. (They have to, believe me when power is sold you need to know the economics.) In such cases it makes sense to say those resources supplied the power for exports. In truth if you actually tracked individual electrons going across the channel – they would to at least some tiny amount from every generation resource which is part of the English grid.

      It is sort of like you depositing $100 in your back account and wiring it to me and me taking out $100 at my bank. Did I get your money or someone else’s? I’ll give you credit for the money I get if you want to try this.

  17. “Most of the time, France sends electricity to the UK through 43-mile-long cables between Folkestone and a site near Calais,”
    This is true, in the the reality of the situation is that France owns much of the UK electricity infrastructure and were exporting to us Nuclear generated electricity, while we were closing down our nuclear stations for various reasons. The coal generated export by the UK is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

    • Really? you are still bring that up after nearly 80 years and multiple changes of government in France?

      Why not go back to French behaviour at Versailles or Napoleon sacking Moscow?

      • actually much related. France was THE ruling power in 1788, having just defeated GB, and feeling strengh enough to war the whole of Europe at once (Napoleon did not started it, he just emerged from this sort WW0). And, actually, almost succeded… but failed. This failure haunted next 2 centuries, and still haunts France, who regularly turns to some sort of Napoleonic figure, of which Macaroon is just the latest, and then throw them down the pit.

      • Why not? The so-called progressives blame present-day Straight Conservative Uncolored Males for the sins of their ancestors all the time. No matter how far back those were.

        Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.

  18. But when I drive the length of France, it seems that each and every hill is topped by windmills. Surely, they provide all the power needed, and free too. Or, is that not the case. one wonders…

  19. ‘Settled’ consensus politics mired in a Green bog of ideology doomed to sink without trace, becoming the very fossil it professes to spurn.

  20. The situation is ironic, to be sure, but no. No, Macron is not a hypocrite because France is drawing power from coal fired power plants in the UK and US. He (France) is simply working with the systems that are currently in place to solve his (their) immediate problems. Just because someone wants to see a system changed, in this case, the way the world generates electricity, it doesn’t make them a hypocrite for dealing with the world the way it is rather than the way (they think) it ought to be. This is an unfair and specious criticism — that is tried all too often in political discourse in this day and age, and it is a huge pet peeve of mine. Just because a person thinks the world should be a certain way, they can’t be expected to act as if it is that way already when it is not yet. People who believe in a flat rate income tax with no deductions, still have every right, even responsibility in some cases, to take deductions on their taxes that they are entitled to, regardless of their position that there shouldn’t be deductions. It’s the same thing here.

    • Those problems being an ageing nuclear fleet all needing fixing at the same time and with safety issues…

      The cost of fixing this and also decommisioning will likely bankrupt EDF

      • you can bet the Fench taxpayer will be conscripted to the rescue, has the state-owned railway company has been for decade.

      • “fixing this” shouldn’t be more expensive that it was to construct the whole thing in the first place. Decommissioning to the stupidest idea on Earth; once nuclear fuel is remove the whole place is less radioactive than many natural, inhabited with no ill effect, land.

  21. He’s also sucking up coal power from Germany (and has been for quite a while – Germany was exporting to cover for offline French nuclear since late last year).

    This is also one of the reasons Germany has not shut down coal: it runs it for export.
    German domestic electricity demand has been falling steadily – yet each year generation and power exports go up.

    So Germany and UK can in fact manage with (even) less coal power…

    and this is why we haven’t got more nuclear… the cost of maintenance and decommission in later years (and the tendency for human error and human greed to introduce/cover up faults in complex and safety critical systems, causing nuclear power station shut downs)

    • The only thing why we haven’t got more nuclear, is that gas is much better in every way. Safe, easy to build (a few month, Vs years for nuclear), easy to shut on or off depending and demand (nuclear is much harder to tune), sure to be there for the next half century, and cheap.
      Only hydro beats gas, but greens hate hydro, too (because of artificial lakes)

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