Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t GWPF – UCS Strategy Director Alden Meyer has accused developed countries of “hiding behind the United States”, refusing to provide firm commitments to use taxpayers funds to pay large climate “damages” to poor countries.
Breakthrough eludes climate talks, scientists concerned over US role
Developing country negotiators lamented the fact that the United States, which has decided to pull out the Paris Agreement, was continuing to block any meaningful breakthrough on these issues and that other developed countries were not helping matters either.
Written by Amitabh Sinha | Bonn | Updated: November 14, 2017 5:15 am
With more than half the schedule of climate change conference already over, frustration was beginning to show at the lack of progress on any of the key issues under discussion, including the issues of finance, loss and damage, and ‘pre-2020 actions’. Developing country negotiators lamented the fact that the United States, which has decided to pull out the Paris Agreement, was continuing to block any meaningful breakthrough on these issues and that other developed countries were not helping matters either.
“Other developed countries are hiding behind the United States on loss and damage and finance issues. And, I think they need to be called out on this. They need to be asked whether they would side with (US President) Donald Trump or with the vulnerable countries of the world and meet their responsibilities,” Alden Meyer, director of strategy and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said, echoing what many country negotiators were saying off the record.
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One of the options being discussed is to raise money through taxes on fossil fuel industry. “Countries are looking for money that is additional to the US$ 100 billion, because loss and damage is additional to the mitigation and adaptation needs. The US$ 100 billion was agreed upon long before the issue of loss and damages became part of discussions at these negotiations. The kind of money we are looking at … has to come by levying taxes on fossil fuel industry that has caused climate change in the first place,” Mohamed Adow, International Climate Lead at Christian Aid, said.
But the developed countries, mainly the US, have not been quite agreed to look at this, suggesting instead that insurance might be a good way to deal with the problem. “On loss and damage and finance, they (the US) have been taking a pretty hard line and that has started to cause some real anger,” Meyers said.
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The reason poor countries stay poor is they are run by looters – nothing to do with climate.
The evidence of the Asian miracle, the rapid rise of formerly poor countries which embraced low tax free market economics and property rights is irrefutable.
Even Communist Dictatorships can prosper by following this simple recipe. Deng Xiaoping liberated China’s productive potential with his Four Modernisations programme in 1977.
Deng’s plan was simple; instead of everyone getting paid the same, people get paid according to how hard they work, how productive they are. The results were and are spectacular; The hard work of China’s people has in just a few decades transformed China from an economic basket case into an economic superpower.
All leaders who want to get rich have to do is curb their greed long enough to allow their people to prosper, to make sure people who work hard get to keep at least some of the money they make from their hard work.
Looters who can’t curb their greed always run out of money. Nobody tries to save money or build their businesses when prosperity just attracts the attention of thieves.
The fake climate crisis appeared to offer a chance for greedy third world looters who have squeezed their own national economies dry to get their hooks into Western prosperity. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few greedy Western politicians were also hoping to receive a slice of the action.
Their fury at being denied is understandable. They showed up hoping to help themselves to our cash, for what they likely thought was a done deal. Thanks largely to President Trump, it seems likely they will go home disappointed.
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From the article:
“Looters who can’t curb their greed always run out of money. Nobody tries to save money or build their businesses when prosperity just attracts the attention of thieves.”
Sounds like the politicians infesting our federal government.
“Mohamed” Adow, International Climate Lead at “Christian” Aid, said.
More sarcasm goes never.
But indeed , “Mohamed” is right.
Even our self-proclaimed “climate chancellor” Merkel, who had been brought into the media as such, had no say in a Nullinger number before the Dancing Congress. The clean-up after the congress will take weeks, mentally and physically. The Bonn garbage collection will get enough to do and many hotel owner will wish that his hotel had been renovated from the climate funds.
Rather ironic they have Arnie come in to tell them how to rebrand their fear industry .
Now Arnie is a world class promoter no doubt .
But between the Hummer , stogies , steroid use , the maid knock up and a track record of destruction movies
the green tie just isn’t enough .
But feel free put Arnie out there as the mascot . He ain’t no Ghandi and none of the other Hollywood
liberals are either . Desperate very desperate .
“Rather ironic they have Arnie come in to tell them how to rebrand their fear industry .
Now Arnie is a world class promoter no doubt “.
Arnie ein Promoter? Niemand kann für sein Aussehen etwas, dann sollte aber auch nicht mit offenbar fehlender Ausstrahlung und fehlendem Aussehen geworben werden. Trump ist hübscher und charismatischer.
Die Klimakonferenz ist ein fehlschlag, sieht man mal vom deutschen Ablasshandel mit Millionen Euros ab. Geld soll also ermöglichen, das sich Merkel Klimakanzlerin nennen kann, soll verdecken, dass Deutschland mit seienr “Energiewende” in ihrem ureigensten Begriff, der Reduzierung von CO2 grandios gescheitert ist und die Zukunft noch schlechter aussieht als die Gegenwart. Das Thema ist auch ein großer Streitpunkt in den derzeitigen Koalitionsverhandlungen. Es könnte durchaus sein, dass Merkel demnächst Klimakanzlerin ohne Land ist.
[Arnie a promoter? No one can do something for his looks, but then should not be advertised with apparently lack of charisma and lack of appearance. Trump is prettier and more charismatic.
The climate conference is a failure, you can see from the German indulgence trade with millions of euros. So money should make it possible for Merkel to call herself climate chancellor, to cover up the fact that Germany’s “energy transition” in its very own term, the reduction of CO2 has failed terrific and the future looks even worse than the present. The issue is also a major issue in the current coalition negotiations. It could well be that Merkel will soon be Climate Chancellor without land.
From Google translate. .mod]
Germany,
There is definitely something wrong here, when The Supreme Leader, “a mercel” has not got a mirror in her house.
Germany already gave an additional 50 million euros on day 1 of the conference
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/cop23-day-1-more-german-money-adaptation-fund
and here’s an example of where the money goes (in association with the local development bank)
https://antiguaobserver.com/cdb-and-af-gives-ab-millions-to-build-climate-resilience/
So send the money can round to all the other good Citizens in the eyes of you eco-fringe, France, Britian etc. I suppose China gets a free walk because they are a developing nation even though they would spend that on a sporting event if it showed the country in a good light.
I like your example that is $9.1m and $10m next year the admin costs are 3 times that but as usual Griff can’t dare criticize anything. Please show us all the projects you can find there is $131M kicking around somewhere.
Oh now I see why Germany put the money in they were way down on there amount. They were at 16% of agreed contribution that takes them to 80%. They were the lowest contributor of all the major countries and have to give another couple hundred million to go.
So that now leaves UK and then France as the largest outstanding. I assume USA isn’t go to come forward with another $2B.
So Griff go talk to your politicians mate your country are a mob of eco-criminals, isn’t that what you are if you don’t pay up 🙂
@Griff
wait, what? You are giving “improve drainage, wetlands and climate-proofing infrastructure” example?
Last time i checked, drainage aka wetland destruction 1) had just nothing to do at all with climate change, and 2) were absolute no-no for watermelons
So basically, you boast of diversion of money supposed to fight climate change into works of environment destruction under the “climate change” excuse, greenwashing included?
Is it really the best you could find, Griff?
Lets see… severe hurricanes are part of climate change. Power grids are infrastructure. Proofing powergrids against hurricane damage in the Caribbean might be a great use of spending.
I note that a number of solar installations designed with hurricane proofing survived recent hurricanes and provided useful power after
Griff I got more things right than you
http://www.dw.com/en/cop23-merkel-and-macron-hail-europes-climate-leadership-acknowledge-shortcomings/a-41395906
Merkel has stated at COP23 that they will miss the 2020 targets an the coal mines will still be operating well past 2021.
Germany is now fallen from econutt rating of climate leader number 1 to 26 … France and Macron is now you posterboy
http://www.dw.com/image/40567815_7.png
I told you I could not work out why you thought Germany was the econutt leader and was surprised you gave them leave pass on all sorts of crimes against Earth.
@Griff
Of course “Proofing powergrids against hurricane damage in the Caribbean might be a great use of spending.”
It will be so, whether “severe hurricanes are part of climate change” or not. So this kind of spending has just nothing to do at all with climate change, and is actually just the kind of the kind of work skeptics agree to: really useful right now, for known real reasons (hurricanes DID, DO, and WILL happen, climate change or not), not fairytales one.
And it will NOT help to prevent climate change in anyway. It will actually require work, energy, and more CO2 and GHG in the atmosphere, and it will also help people keep a higher carbon footprint that they would without a working grid, so this is the kind of work you should be opposed to, if you had any coherence. But you don’t.
Actually “Proofing powergrids against hurricane damage where it is already know to occur” is just the Skeptic agenda
* cope with known real current issue now
* cope with “could … extremely likely (that is, not so sure after all)” later issue (if any) … when they really show (if they do…)
It is the opposite for you agenda
* not just cope with, but prevent now, at all cost and by any means (including chasing, jailing and killing dissenting voice, genoiciders no less); with “may be … could … extremely likely (that is, not so sure after all)” later issue
* all other current issue are just too small to be cared about.
As i said: green-washing and pitiful try to take credit from unrelated good work, your kind are actually against.
Foreign Aid and other payments to poor countries have an atrocious record. This will be no different.
Already Obama stumped up cash but as far as I know none or few others have.
Trump is right in his “put up or shut up” stance.
The UN is incapable of handling any real world problems. Words are nice but but feed few.
The reality is that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. It is all a matter of science. It can be shown that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. It is Mother Nature that is cause of climate change and it is Mother Nature that has been responsible for extreme weather events. So the party at fault with regards to any damages caused by extreme weather events and climate change is Mother Nature. So it is Mother Nature that should be sued in court and should be held responsible for all related damages and expenses. Lots of luck on collecting on a judgement against Mother Nature.
I shall be very upset if some British idiot like Gove goes and pays my money into this scam.
Griff would 🙂
Actually just looked up the number for UK which has paid about £400m, you pledged £1200m so a quick check for £800m should cover it.
I’m sure its in the post.
Given the recent chequered standards of the Royal mail, it has possibly ended up in a warehouse in Derby!
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So that is like the money for climate change victims
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/11/14/no-finance-plan-climate-change-victims-draft-un-decision/
Gee what a surprise they will talk about it next year and the year after that and ….
“loss and damage is additional to the mitigation and adaptation needs. The US$ 100 billion was agreed upon long before the issue of loss and damages became part of discussions at these negotiations.”
The $100 m was agreed long before they had any costs for ‘mitigation’ or ‘adaptation’. When you are grabbing money, it is best to have a nice, big, round number in mind. It makes the accounting so much easier.
“Show me the climate money” swindles offer a nice opportunity to educate voters in the paying countries.
The Climate Charade is always chock-full of drama and intrigue. Of course, money is the underlying theme, but what’s amusing about it is the pretense that it is mostly about “saving the planet”. It is all political theater, with pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo painted on top. And now, to make things even more amusing we have the former star performer of the show, the US, refusing to play along. Now they are torn between chastising and berating, and cajoling and begging for us to come back into the fold, when they aren’t simply pretending that nothing has changed and everything is hunkey dorey. Hilarious stuff really.
“One of the options being discussed is to raise money through taxes on fossil fuel industry. “Countries are looking for money that is additional to the US$ 100 billion”
That is and always has been the goal…as well as punishing energy company owners for supporting Republicans. It is the Tobacco MO all over again.
Huh, Arnie a world class promoter? Arnie looks like he is accidentally get in the new supposedly women-hostile app with which you can make-up off women digitally. But in reality. Arnie used to look like Skeletor in the past years, now like his post – mortem zombie. Trump looks nicer.
But aside this, nobody can do something for his looks, but then one should not advertise with lack of charisma and lack of appearance.
The climate conference is a failure, you can see from the German indulgence trade with millions of euros. So money should make it possible for Merkel to call herself Climate Chancellor, to cover up the fact that Germany with its “Energiewende” in its very own term, the reduction of CO2 has failed terrific and the future looks even worse than the present.
Mohamed Adow, International Climate Lead at Christian Aid
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Mohamed ……………………………………………….. Christian
RFLOMAO
Really?
“Rather ironic they have Arnie come in to tell them how to rebrand their fear industry.
Now Arnie is a world class promoter no doubt “.
Arnie a promoter? No one can do something for his looks, but then should not be advertised with apparently lack of charisma and lack of appearance. Trump is prettier and more charismatic.
The climate conference is a failure, you can see from the German indulgence trade with millions of euros. So money should make it possible for Merkel to call herself climate chancellor, to cover up the fact that Germany’s “energy transition” in its very own term, the reduction of CO2 has failed terrific and the future looks even worse than the present. The issue is also a major issue in the current coalition negotiations. It could well be that Merkel will soon be Climate Chancellor without land.
Those silly foreigners–they’ve already been paid and continue to be paid:
Increased atmospheric CO2 over the past 50 years, according to some studies, has caused world-wide foodstuff production to increase by 15-25% (which isn’t surprising since trees, depending on variety, are now growing from 30-70% faster for the same reason).
The math is simple: Currently, foodstuff production accounts for a seventh of the world-wide GDP of ~$70 Trillion, which would be $10 Trillion. Taking the lower estimate for increased foodstuff production (15%) of that would be $1.5 Trillion, which divided by a worldwide population of 7.5 billion (an admittedly high estimate) results in $200 per year for every man, woman and child on the Earth!
That’s the annual contribution industrial countries (those that have substantially enriched atmospheric CO2 over the past 50 years) make indirectly to developing nations. Another way of looking at it: Since at least 2/3 of the world’s population is found in developing nations, the “annual payment” to them is $1 Trillion!!
I think that’s more than enough. Indeed, all that additional food has averted massive famine and starvation. They should be grateful rather than greedy.
Nice! my ford 150 is feeding the poor in Africa.
makes sense.
Well there goes Maurice Strong’s whole reason for dreaming up “global warming” in the first place – to transfer the wealth of the “West” to the poor “East”. But it seems it is no longer working !
Good News! More Winning!
‘Their fury at being denied is understandable. They showed up hoping to help themselves to our cash, for what they likely thought was a done deal.’
Gosh! Does this sound like ‘the rest of the world thinks America is stupid and selfish?’
Where do ‘greedy parasites’ fit into this paradigm?
low tax? No, they weren’t. The ‘Asian Tigers’ governments all drew c. 72%-75% of governmental income from land taxes. Taiwan used a direct land tax, Hong Kong was land leases and so was Singapore.. All three nations used income tax of 10% on all high incomes rising to 15% on even higher incomes with a 5% sales tax on certain commodities, mostly imported. Hong Kong was leased from China so land could not be traded.
Since WWII the World Bank has tried hard to demolish and remove Land Taxes where it can. California used land based property tax from about 1903 to 1978, when they dropped the land tax. Over the next twenty years California went from manufacturing everything it needed to bankruptcy. Michigan did the same in the 1990s and in 2008 General Motors almost failed.
Physiocracy was surely wrong in its premises, but its conclusion (tax only land — and only moderately– , free trade, low tariffs, Laissez-faire) were sound, and growth and freedom friendly. Business and income taxes are the most economic-stupid and dictatorship-friendly ever invented.