103 year record cold low for New York City set

Added: 11/11 8:30AM PST See update below. Records were set over the past two days at Central Park, but the 144 Year old record still stands.


Dr. Ryan Maue has been tracking the forecasts for the Northeast, and the result is…ah, chilling. Maue says the “polar vortex” is responsible for the exceptionally cold and dry air invading the Northeast USA.

He goes on to say that the all time record for New York City of 22°F forecast by morning in NYC would be coldest, earliest temperature on record.

The previous earliest record of reaching 22°F was Nov 13, 1873. The 21°F expected for NYC would be the coldest in 144 years. Further up Long Island, temperatures are expected in the teens.

A record low temperature that lasted 103 years has already been set in Central Park according to the National Weather Service:


RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
0245 AM EST SAT NOV 11 2017

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 25 DEGREES WAS SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY
YESTERDAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 27 SET IN 1914.

Source: http://w2.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=okx

The rest of New York State will be even colder by morning, with temperatures in the teens to hovering near zero.

UPDATE: here below is what NWS New York said this morning. Overnight winds kept temperatures from falling to record lows. I’ve updated the title from “144 year earliest cold record for New York City to be broken – new 103 year record low already set” to “103 year record cold low for New York City set” to be accurate going forward.

Two records for cold were broken in the last two days.

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
0801 AM EST SAT NOV 11 2017

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 24 DEGREES WAS SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY
THIS MORNING. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 28 LAST SET IN 1933.

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149 thoughts on “103 year record cold low for New York City set

    • This air was so much colder than the ocean, which “remembers” the summer, that the water was “steaming” like a cup of tea this morning. Also the Atlantic was so “hot” today that islands in the distance seemed to float over the shimmer of a mirage, like you see shimmering over a hot highway in July.

      Everything is relative. The Atlantic really wasn’t hot as a summer highway; it was cool, but the air was bleeping FRIGID!

      https://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2017/11/11/local-view-cold-comfort/

      • A great success for green energy! All the wind turbines installed in the ocean are finally having some effect. The propellers are blowing wind over the water, cooling the surface, basic high school physics. Al Gore was right all along.

    • You mean the so called declining numbers of polar bears racing around in ever decreasing circles, desperate to find breathing space which is being massively reduced due to their increasing over-population?

      • This just shows how much short term variability there is in the climate and why we shouldn’t get excited about single “record” events like hot days or cold days. Taking that reasoning a little further along, a swing of one or two degrees over a century in the average temperature is to be expected and is certainly not abnormal. Our human lifespan and perspective is far too short. The earth is billions of years old. We’re here for the blink of an eye.

      • Back in the days when programmes presented by David Attenborough were informative and not full of global warming lies, he presented Life On Earth. At the start he was in a desert somewhere with a row of burning braziers stretching into the distance. They were scaled at billions of years to indicate how long Earth has existed. Standing at the last brazier he said that our presence amounted to only a number of inches within that last brazier.

    • So then TomO, when CO2 doubles, the ‘models’ tell us that Arctic Amplification causes it to warm 3x as fast so that a polar vortex will become like a sirocco from Morocco! Maybe Brittney Spears is the model they are using for this. Tom, it is your duty as an independent person to overcome the modern education they shackled you with and think for yourself. The teachers, professors, CNN, the DNC, aren’t always right. Sound bytes aren’t enough. The NYT, the Atlantic and even American Progress have made a mistake or two. Journalists and politicians (lawyers) aren’t good sources. The parrots aren’t a he heroes in this crazy world. Think for yourself even if you come up wrong now and again.

      You do come to WUWT at least which gives you other perspectives, which makes you head and shoulders above most of your fellows. Don’t waste all the opportunity by clinging to catechisms.

      • Arctic amplification is for real, and that is one thing the climate models got right. The part of the northern hemisphere with variable snow/ice coverage has greater temperature change than the world as a whole does due to surface albedo positive feedback. Check global maps of almost any time in the past decade of monthly or better still yearly global temperature anomalies. Arctic amplification would stop if the Arctic gets warm enough to make it free of ice and snow whenever wherever the sun shines in the Arctic, or if it and near-Arctic high latitudes get covered year-round with ice and snow, and that would shift the high positive feedback to the middle and some subtropical latitudes in the northern hemisphere. (Note the high climate instability that was common during ice age glaciations due to variable snow/ice coverage at latitudes that get more sunlight than the Arctic does.)

      • Please supply the data that demonstrates this, the posters should not have to do so themselves.
        You have made an assertion which makes no sense whatsoever, the angle of incidence of Sunlight when the Ice is at it’s higher extents is so low that it would not matter if it was Ice or Water.
        So please prove it.

      • No!
        Their models are a tragedy of incompetence. They have all the predictive value of a homogenized astrology reading. Unphysical, unscientific, codified guesswork, approximation, and data manipulations. You might as well read tea-leaves! Anyone here who works on these nonsensical models should be ashamed. Ashamed for taking money under false pretenses.

      • tom0mason – right on with the association of Climate Science and Astrology. Both use models, both claim model success whatever happens.

  1. Yes, but record cold is just *weather*, while any warm event, drought, flood, storm, wind, fire, are all because of global warming.

    • The record lows and highs that you see in weather reports are unadjusted. For example, the daily climate reports at http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=okx
      such as the one for Central Park NY for November 10th. It says the low temperature of 24 degrees F breaks the previous record of 28 set in 1933 and 1926. That 28 degrees F is raw data from a thermometer. The adjustments that are used for global temperature determinations are by a fraction of a degree, and done only in processes for determining climate change.

      • Is it true some NY nuns were kidnapped by the local platoon of the Green Brigade in the mistaken belief they were penguins needing saving from extinction?

      • “Yes, that is why penguins live only in the southern hemisphere!!” … On closer checking, you’ll find that some penguins do live in the Northern Hemisphere, on one or more of the Galapagos Islands.

      • Not all species of penguins live where it is cold year round. The chinstrap penguin lives on the Antarctica Peninsula, nearby parts of South America and nearby islands. Other penguin species live in even warmer parts of the southern hemisphere. There is the Galapagos penguin, which lives on the equatorial Galapagos islands.

  2. Yet another extreme weather event.
    Exactly as predicted by the climate modelers.
    When will you sceptics ever learn?

    Sarc

    • I floated the idea a couple of years ago of using warm weather and cold weather clothing sales as a proxy for what people are feeling in the world of changing climate.
      Unfortunately it was a nonstarter, UN-IPCC and it’s Soros affiliated universities wouldn’t fund it.

    • I was think we all know its due to a weather pattern but the act of giving this one a particular name (that does predate the warming alarmism) to make it appear well understood and predicted by AGW is a bit too much.

  3. This is an interesting statistic. But your reporting does differ from how you report a record high temperature. When that happens you always seem to doubt its validity by pointing out it has happened previously. It will be interesting to see the average temperature over the year in that region to see if this reflects on climatic issues as opposed to weather.

    • No, there is no difference. And how does a regional average temperature reflect global changes in climate? And why a year?

    • A record high temperature somewhere seems to always be linked in the media to “global warming/climate change” with an implied “See what’s happening, it is gonna get worse”, while a record low temperature somewhere is simply a local weather report.

      If you haven’t noticed that, Gareth, then you aren’t paying attention.

      • That is not what I see on this Website. The consistent message is see, ( which appears valid) is that you cannot correlate one weather event to climate change. That should be a constant, not a principle to be selectively used to re-enforce ones argument. If we dismiss that principle for cold weather, we must also dismiss it for hot weather, or storms or whatever else nature throws at us.

      • Here is an example which may help you to understand why one days observations are not usually much help.
        Look at the attached chart and imagine you have taken a temperature in the Arctic in middle of Summer.
        Ah! you may say, The Arctic temperature is below average !
        But look at the whole year, does your conclusion after one days observation hold up ?
        You may get excited over one observation, but a years worth of data tells you something radically different.
        http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

      • Gareth,

        The DMI Polar temperatures graph is telling a tale of two influences, and taking an average for an entire year mixes two quite different factors.

        The fact the summer temperatures have been below normal for several years likely is a by product of the “Quiet Sun”. It may only be a slight dip but it is the one time of year any sea-ice can actually be melted from above. A half degree is big when it is the difference between H20 being solid and being liquid.

        Once the sun is no longer a factor up above the Arctic circle the temperatures have been above average. Though above average they are below freezing, and can melt no ice. The higher temperatures are due to winds stirring up the air, and also inrushes of milder air from the south.

        Though it seems counter-intuitive that a “cooler” Quiet Sun could be causing milder temperatures, it is possible if less energy from the sun can be shown to result in weaker westerlies at the equator. In other words the decrease in the sun’s energy would be measured by anemometers rather than thermometers.

        Weaker westerlies would result in stronger El Ninos and weaker La Ninas, which would in turn result in milder, moister air at the equator.This then would translate north and cause milder winds to reach the Pole in the dark of winter (at least until surplus heat was exhausted at the equator.)

        Even if my ideas of the cause of the cooler summers and the warmer winters at the Pole are incorrect, I think the general premise is valid: The two events have causes that are so different that averaging temperatures over an entire year tends to blear what should be a clear distinction.

      • Nothing ever died from an average temperature. Would you be one of those people who would argue that a record hot day was even warmer due to AGW? Plenty do. What do they believe about record cold temperatures though? That never seems to be mentioned. And nobody died from an average temperature.

    • Gareth,
      Reading comprehension fail! The whole point of the article is that record lows as well as record highs are nothing more than weather. They both happen with similar frequency. And your notion that a single year regional average tells us anything about long term global climate is laughable.

      • I did not say yearly records give definitive information on long term climate.
        1/10 for reading comprehension Paul.
        One observation tells us little. Yearly observations tell us much more. Long term observations like CET can be very useful in assessing climatological trends. Essentially, the longer the period of observation, the more useful the data. So one day, not much use. One year, better.

      • Since sometime in the 1990s or after the 1980s, record lows for specific dates at specific places in the US became much less frequent than record highs. There are two reasons. One is manmade global warming due to increase of greenhouse gases, mostly CO2. The other is growth of urban effects and energy consumption around places where official thermometers are located. Developments of mcmansions and other urban growth cause daily low temperatures in increasingly urban areas to mostly get warmer, with much less effect on daily high temperatures.

      • Gareth,
        Wrong. One day and one year are equally useless for telling us about long term climatic trends. The fact that you don’t understand this basic concept is telling.

      • Double reading comprehension fail for Paul now but that is okay let me just explain the keywords here for you Paul. “Yearly observations” – The culmination of observations throughout the year and since context is a foreign concept for you it is very easy to understand the underlying context is a culmination of yearly observations.

        “the longer the period of observation” – Obviously this means there is no determination of duration in which observations are taken the longer the better and obviously this could be decades or even centuries.

        I will tell you what I see, all you are doing grooming what others say to conform to your level of idealism without any thought put to actually understand another persons point of view actually means. What is “laughable” here is you believe your own contortionist view which is reminiscent of adolescence behaviour. However no one is laughing because the people who are serious render your commentary moot on sight.

        A logical mind looks for ways in which knowledge contained within oneself is flawed then seeks a better a solution.

    • On the ski slopes, right? The slopes can be very windy. (Maybe wind turbines on skis. They could generate their own wind that way! They’ll need a long cable for the electricity, but that could surely be done.)

  4. Was in Gainsborough yesterday – we all know the place, its where King Canute (Knut – son of Sweyne Forkbeard(sp)) did his ‘tide turning’ stunt.

    Not on a nice gentle sandy beach somewhere – he was up against the Trent Aegir – a force to be *seriously* reckoned with. One Big Lump of a river that simply stops, turns round and flows backwards, as fast as you can run, twice per day. And in total silence. Sends shivers down yer spine.

    Anyway, the coffee shop I went to had a notice up apologising for their broken-down heating system – especially painful in the coldest November, so far, that Gainsboro has had for 7 years.
    (Someone likes ‘watching the weather’)

    Meanwhile, my tracking of long standing Wunderground stations, although showing a minor up-tick for September, still has England cooling at 0.3degC per year.

    I recall Nick recently ‘having kittens’ at 6 deg per century warming, how will he cope with 30 degC (thirty, three oh) per century of cooling?

  5. Explaining it away as the Polar Vortex is disingenuous. I don’t believe I have seen a heatwave anywhere that wasn’t caused by weather patterns – blocking highs and so on – rather than just appeared without any apparent reason.

    • It is lying by omission. Failing to give you all the known facts. How much mention of the big El Nino was there when jubilantly claiming the warming was back after the 18 year ‘pause’? Quietly in the background while nobody was looking if at all. The old adage that a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth has got its boots on is so true with a legacy media wanting scary headlines as opposed to factual reporting.

      • Weather Underground, who hypes up manmade global warming, hyped up the recent El Nino. My sensation there is that they were trying for implying that some of the high magnitude of the recent great El Nino was manmade.

  6. The local bank says it’s 31 degrees this morning. In Jasper Alabama, just about as far into the deep south as you can get. It helps me understand the cagw alarmists so much better – they’re freaking nuts.

  7. The odds are that what we can expect as a result of global warming is to see more
    of this pattern of extreme cold. – – – Dr. John Holdren, The White House – 1/8/2014

    • The same Dr. A John Holdren that in the 70’s ranted on about Global Cooling going to kill everyone by the year 2000…

      • The funniest part is, the reason for the cold air then was also the polar vortex, which in a colder world would increase in amplitude and drive more cold air further south.

      • @menicholas the funniest part is, a colder world doesn’t have this problem the cold air bottles up because the vortex is much stronger.

    • The polar vortex has existed for as long as the Earth has had poles and rotation and an atmosphere.
      Vortex was trotted out as a new way to make something entirely natural sound scary.
      Holdren, a fear mongerer and hypester from the population bomb and ice age scams, is hardly credible if his track record is any judge.

      • Yes but he was President Obama’s “science advisor.” Doesn’t that count for something (or NOT.) I am surprised that Holdren can make such video’s with a straight face. He must be getting paid very well. Of course I am certain his ego has expanded greatly after “being in the White House.” He now thinks even higher of his own opinion that he did a decade ago.

    • A pattern of extreme cold due to “warming” would have to be matched by areas of extreme heat or the averages would not hold. There would need to be an explanation of why more energy retained causes far less mixing than what less energy retained does. It really makes no sense at all, but I guess that’s how it’s supposed to work. If sense were called for, there’d be little discusssion.

    • Looks like winter has been “turned on it’s side” this has been happening quite often the last several years. From my understanding the warmer winter temperatures we see in the Arctic cause the polar vortex to break down and form many fragment of smaller vortex’s. These smaller vortex’s tend to plunge south and cold air from Siberia is allowed to cross the arctic quickly and with little resistance. The effect of this is shortened or lengthened transition seasons and potentially brutal winters. It is very common these days to jump from late summer into early winter in only a few weeks.

      • Short springs and falls are not new. In Philadelphia, in most years air conditioning season starts a lot less than 3 months after snow tire season ended, and this is not new. For example, in 1974, the first 90 degree official temperature reading in Philadelphia for that year was soon followed by weather forecasts for frost in the suburbs, a bit of which actually happened. I remember an April heavy snow shower (2 inches in 20-25 minutes) in the Philadelphia suburb of Haverford in 1977 or 1978, and an April snow thunderstorm dumping about 2-3 inches of snow in less than an hour in a northwestern neighborhood within Philadelphia around 1970.

      • Sea ice extent is honestly such a bullshit metric mainly because it is relative to ice drift and has no relevance to the the state of the ice. The real king we need to look at is sea ice volume.

    • Toneb
      I have no idea what you are trying to show by adding that plot of polar temperature anomalies, but it does illustrate that – when the arctic sea ice is below average levels for any day between mid-August and mid-April, the newly-exposed Arctic Ocean is LOSING more heat to the arctic sky (and then to space by increased LW radiation losses) than if more sea ice were present.

      Less sea ice = More arctic ocean cooling. But slightly higher arctic air temperature – as the graphic shows. (Because the exposed arctic ocean at 2-4 degrees C is not “insulated” by a 1-2 meter “lid” of sea ice, thus more convection losses, more evaporation losses, less conductive losses, more LW radiation losses. And NO increased solar SW heat increases, since the the sun below the horizon!)

    • “I have no idea what you are trying to show by adding that plot of polar temperature anomalies”

      Simply that regional cooling re current weather has a flip side – consequent regional warming elsewhere.
      The blue is well outweighed by the red.

  8. Meanwhile in the frost belt nothing unusual. When the front came through northern New York, Vermont and New Hampshire early yesterday morning we had rain, hail and thunder snow across the northern sections. Temperatures dropped into the teens with wind chills approaching zero in places. The roads were completely glazed with snow and ice as they often are in late November. Temperatures this morning across the region range from 9 to 20F with wind chills down to zero at 6 AM. http://www.weather.gov/btv/observations

    Temperatures are predicted to be widespread single digits tonight. This is not unusual for this time of year and in the oldest local records dating back to 1894 the record low temperature for 10 November was 9F in 1995. http://w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=btv

    At another station with a shorter history the low on that date was 2F. Killington ski area opened this week and several others around the region open this weekend with man-made snow. I may not have put enough firewood up this year.

      • menicholas:

        The 9F record is for 10 November for that station and the St Johnsbury reporting station is in an area surrounded by brick and stone buildings and lots of asphalt. Other rural stations in the surrounding area are colder for November.

        If you search the NWS Burlington VT and Gray ME NOW database under November “calendar day summaries”, “minimum temperatures” “por-2017” you will see the entire month. Other local stations with colder temperatures are East Haven, Island Pond, and Sutton 2 NE. Further afield Northfield to the west and Colebrook and Whitefield, NH likewise show colder temperatures for November.

        We are expecting single digit temperatures tonight and may break the record FWIW.

        Keith

        http://w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=gyx
        http://w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=btv

  9. Where I live, we just broke a cold record a few days ago and there is the most snow on the ground on record right now.

    I don’t see that global warming is happening at all. If it is, there is no noticeable difference and there are no negative impacts. The seasonal temperature changes dominate what the weather and climate is like and the extra CO2 is having no impact at all.

    Global warming is going to melt the snow and ice. Well, if you are a place that used to get snow in the winter 50 years ago, you still get snow in the winter around the same dates as always.

    • Bill I

      No noticeable change other than we have the only summer this year in September and a warm October. Was quite decent. We set a new low record high, about 2 C below the previous cold ‘high’ for the day, across a large part of Ontario, -3 v.s. the old high of -1. That dated from the 20’s.

      It was -13 C last night (8.6F) in Waterloo.

    • John of Cloverdale,
      Who needs a bunch of suspect actors reading poems for a Guardian audience, when you can have some at WUWT?

      SMOKE AND MIRRORS

      Chocolate fireguards spread from coast to coast
      Where’s Don Quixote when needed most?
      Great tricorned sticks poking natures eye
      Cruciforms proving the global lie
      Promulgated as man made warming
      Junk science which is the real warning
      Naked emperors must one day heed
      Cries to dress their naked greed.

      The new inquisition denies any
      Contrarian views of the many
      Opposed to the gospel of Al Gore
      Stake burning s to rival those of yore
      Censored scientists striving to be heard
      Voices drowned by the stampeding herd
      Of sycophantic media hacks
      “Publish and be damned” but wont print facts.

      David Bellamy and Johnnie Ball
      Scientists of repute before their fall
      ‘the truth is out there’ but you can bet
      Its only found on the internet
      Jo Stalin and Gobbels thought them well
      Ostracise opponents who might tell
      The story behind the propaganda
      Of the tax gathering agenda

      So called experts daily dose of doom
      Shepherding the sheep to the fold in gloom
      Each outrageous global warming claim
      Printed as fact to apportion blame
      The drip feed gets more inedible
      As the claims get more incredible
      Canutist Ministers do not know
      That carbon dioxide makes plant glow.

      Unimpressed cats get a vegan dish
      To save the planets declining fish
      A UN panel recently vows
      To tax the emissions of dairy cows
      Science purporting to verify facts
      Subsumed by powers to generate tax
      Sinister canards will only die
      With seekers of truth like you an I.

      See John, who need the fake news Guardian

  10. If Joe Bastardi and gang are right then this is just the beginning of a late November and December that will be remembered by many of us in the regions of the NE, East central, and eastern portions of the Midwest. They’re talking temperatures for the first half of this winter that are comparable to the depths of the winter during the 2013-14. During the same period above average precip is expected so I suspect that many more new lows will be set during that period and we in IL, IN, OH have the best shot at a white Christmas we’ve had in some time.

    According the Joe the US model isn’t seeing it yet and shows warmer than average temperatures for that period. But the European model is starting to see it.

    • They are now predicting snow across the eastern US for Thanksgiving.
      Depending on how far south, that could be pretty unusual.
      SW Florida, BTW, is oasty toasty warm with clear blue skies and extremely perfect weather, and expected to stay this way for the foreseeable future.
      But, if there is a big snowstorm in the NE US, Florida will get cold. Always does.

      • When I was a kid in the late 60’s and early 70’s, every Thanksgiving morning Dad and I and some uncles and my grandfather would go rabbit hunting. I don’t recall any of those times that there wasn’t at least some snow on the ground and I remember one in particular when there was nearly a food of snow.

  11. In 2014, Dr. John Holdren, director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy for the Obama administration said: “a growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues.”
    The Huffington Post. January 8, 2014

    Extreme cold is also explained by global warming.

  12. Another extreme weather event, told ya! Global climate discruption now reached New York city, its like the day before yesterday (or was it 1914). Better put some extra coal in the stove.

    • My garden froze August 23rd in 2015. It meant absolutely nothing, other than I had to trim off frost-bitten plants and hope they would recover. The weather was very warm thereafter until well into October, many of the plants recovered, and I got a normal yeild from the garden. So much for “extreme weather”.

  13. Going back this far, you must also subtract the Urban Heat Island effect. So assume the UHI is approx 3 degrees F, then the equivalent temp expected might be -18 F.

    • In Manitoba we set an all-time record low on Nov 9 – -26.6C. We are sending this south to share with you. You are welcome. Please send some FL warmth north in return. We are friends – and all that!

  14. The Solar Output is now into the Solar Cycle Minimum. This will last for 4 to 5 years. Solar UV and EUV are now at the lowest values for a Solar Cycle. You can monitor the amount of Solar UV (EUV) by analyzing the Solar Radio Flux; presently at 68 sfu. The Solar UV(EUV) creates Ozone for the Ozone layer.

    The increase Solar UV (EUV) causes the Troposphere to expand providing a warming blanket. The decrease in Solar UV(EUV) causes the Troposphere to contract reducing the insulation effect.

    Presently, an Ozone hole is starting to open over the Arctic. The Ozone hole will provide a path for heat to move directly into space.

    NOT CO2; it is the Sun.

    • That ‘polar vortex’ is something the weather forecasters used to call an Alberta clipper, because it came from that general direction. I think it starts in Siberia and flows over the North Pole. Maybe they should be checking Siberian weather now.

      • Historically, an Alberta Clipper was an extratropical cyclone that forms in Alberta, moves southeast into the midwest US, then moves eastward into the mid-Atlantic US and/or southern New England. In somewhat recent years, some in the news media have referred to the chilly weather pattern that favors these storms as an Alberta Clipper, before they started saying it was the polar vortex shifting southward.

  15. above,,,,Trebla, “a swing of one or two degrees over a century in the average temperature is to be expected and is certainly not abnormal”

    True enough. But finding a swing of one or two degrees where one may not exist is less than normal.
    So much so that it could even be sinister.

    The raw data rural temperature trend suggests abnormality. :)

  16. In The Times today reported that many of the alpine ski resorts are opening early following heavy snow falls with more to come. However the same thing happened last year and was followed by “50 days without a snowflake”.

  17. NWS New York NY

    @NWSNewYorkNY

    Record low temperatures were set at 5 of our 6 climate sites this morning. Temperatures will only rise into the mid to upper 30s this afternoon.
    5:15 AM – Nov 11, 2017

    What is a climate site when it is at home? I have always assumed that the NWS reporting stations were reporting the weather.

  18. It snowed in my kingdom yesterday, about 0.4 inch. I got my usual ‘first snowfall’ photos. the temperature dropped to 16F Thursday nigh, and that brought us cold WEATHER. The fact that our October WEATHER was wet and warm kept most of the trees full of green leaves, and my neighbor mowed my lawn on Wednesday.

    It’s weather, you silly climate-holics. You have no control over it. You can only hope for an accurate forecast (which we got) and enough common sense to dress appropriately. just glad I did all my grocery shopping on Thursday before the cold set in.

    Apple cider heated up, with a slice of lemon in it, is good for this kind of weather.

  19. Records.
    I have a few vinyl record. And about 30 or so Bakelite records.
    Add outside heat, the vinyl records becomes…malleable.
    I don’t know about NYC, but here in my little spot on the globe, past records have been mauled.
    (Hope this appears correctly)

    Rocord Lows Comparison						
    Newer-'12			Older-'07 (did not include ties)			
    7-Jan	-5	1884	Jan-07	-6	1942	New record 1 warmer and 58 years earlier
    8-Jan	-9	1968	Jan-08	-12	1942	New record 3 warmer and 37 years later
    3-Mar	1	1980	Mar-03	0	1943	New record 3 warmer and 26 years later
    13-Mar	5	1960	Mar-13	7	1896	New record 2 cooler and 64 years later
    8-May	31	1954	May-08	29	1947	New record 3 warmer and 26 years later
    9-May	30	1983	May-09	28	1947	New tied record 2 warmer same year and 19 and 36 years later
    	30	1966				
    	30	1947				
    12-May	35	1976	May-12	34	1941	New record 1 warmer and 45 years later
    30-Jun	47	1988	Jun-30	46	1943	New record 1 warmer and 35 years later
    12-Jul	51	1973	Jul-12	47	1940	New record 4 warmer and 33 years later
    13-Jul	50	1940	Jul-13	44	1940	New record 6 warmer and same year
    17-Jul	52	1896	Jul-17	53	1989	New record 1 cooler and 93 years earlier
    20-Jul	50	1929	Jul-20	49	1947	New record 1 warmer and 18 years earlier
    23-Jul	51	1981	Jul-23	47	1947	New record 4 warmer and 34 years later
    24-Jul	53	1985	Jul-24	52	1947	New record 1 warmer and 38 years later
    26-Jul	52	1911	Jul-26	50	1946	New record 2 warmer and 35 years later
    31-Jul	54	1966	Jul-31	47	1967	New record 7 warmer and 1 years later
    19-Aug	49	1977	Aug-19	48	1943	New record 1 warmer and 10, 21 and 34 years later
    	49	1964				
    	49	1953				
    21-Aug	44	1950	Aug-21	43	1940	New record 1 warmer and 10 years later
    26-Aug	48	1958	Aug-26	47	1945	New record 1 warmer and 13 years later
    27-Aug	46	1968	Aug-27	45	1945	New record 1 warmer and 23 years later
    12-Sep	44	1985	Sep-12	42	1940	New record 2 warmer and 15, 27 and 45 years later
    	44	1967				
    	44	1955				
    26-Sep	35	1950	Sep-26	33	1940	New record 2 warmer and 12 earlier and 10 years later
    	35	1928				
    27-Sep	36	1991	Sep-27	32	1947	New record 4 warmer and 44 years later
    29-Sep	32	1961	Sep-29	31	1942	New record 1 warmer and 19 years later
    2-Oct	32	1974	Oct-02	31	1946	New record 1 warmer and 38 years earlier and 19 years later
    	32	1908				
    15-Oct	31	1969	Oct-15	24	1939	New tied record same year but 7 warmer and 22 and 30 years later
    	31	1961				
    	31	1939				
    16-Oct	31	1970	Oct-16	30	1944	New record 1 warmer and 26 years later
    24-Nov	8	1950	Nov-24	7	1950	New tied record same year but 1 warmer
    29-Nov	3	1887	Nov-29	2	1887	New tied record same year but 1 warmer
    4-Dec	8	1976	Dec-04	3	1966	New record 5 warmer and 10 years later
    21-Dec	-10	1989	Dec-21	-11	1942	New tied record same year but 1 warmer and 47 years later
    	-10	1942				
    			31			
    ?			Dec-05	8	1976	December 5 missing from 2012 list
    						
    Record Highs comparison						
    Newer-April '12			Older-'07 (did not include ties)			
    6-Jan	68	1946	Jan-06	69	1946	Same year but "new" record 1*F lower
    9-Jan	62	1946	Jan-09	65	1946	Same year but "new" record 3*F lower
    31-Jan	66	2002	Jan-31	62	1917	"New" record 4*F higher but not in '07 list
    4-Feb	61	1962	Feb-04	66	1946	"New" tied records 5*F lower
    4-Feb	61	1991				
    23-Mar	81	1907	Mar-23	76	1966	"New" record 5*F higher but not in '07 list
    25-Mar	84	1929	Mar-25	85	1945	"New" record 1*F lower
    5-Apr	82	1947	Apr-05	83	1947	"New" tied records 1*F lower
    5-Apr	82	1988				
    6-Apr	83	1929	Apr-06	82	1929	Same year but "new" record 1*F higher
    19-Apr	85	1958	Apr-19	86	1941	"New" tied records 1*F lower
    19-Apr	85	2002				
    16-May	91	1900	May-16	96	1900	Same year but "new" record 5*F lower
    30-May	93	1953	May-30	95	1915	"New" record 2*F lower
    31-Jul	100	1999	Jul-31	96	1954	"New" record 4*F higher but not in '07 list
    11-Aug	96	1926	Aug-11	98	1944	"New" tied records 2*F lower
    11-Aug	96	1944				
    18-Aug	94	1916	Aug-18	96	1940	"New" tied records 2*F lower
    18-Aug	94	1922				
    18-Aug	94	1940				
    23-Sep	90	1941	Sep-23	91	1945	"New" tied records 1*F lower
    23-Sep	90	1945				
    23-Sep	90	1961				
    9-Oct	88	1939	Oct-09	89	1939	Same year but "new" record 1*F lower
    10-Nov	72	1949	Nov-10	71	1998	"New" record 1*F higher but not in '07 list
    12-Nov	75	1849	Nov-12	74	1879	"New" record 1*F higher but not in '07 list
    12-Dec	65	1949	Dec-12	64	1949	Same year but "new" record 1*F higher
    22-Dec	62	1941	Dec-22	63	1941	Same year but "new" record 1*F lower
    29-Dec	64	1984	Dec-29	67	1889	"New" record 3*F lower
    

    PS I also later got the 2002 list of records from “TheWayBackMachine” (I got the rest “realtime.). There were NO new record highs or lows set in those 5 years.
    All the numbers came from NOAA.

  20. Nice here, about 30C, sunny with occasional clouds, on the beach in Thailand.

    I predicted here last week that in ~6 months the UAH LT anomaly would cool to ~0.0C, based on equatorial ocean cooling. Bundle up!

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