Claim: USA Should Stay in the Paris Agreement, Because Syria Has Signed

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Climate advocates are holding up alleged war criminal Bashar Al Assad’s announcement he will sign up to the Paris Agreement as the latest reason President Trump should reverse his Paris decision.

Syria signs Paris climate agreement and leaves US isolated

Syria’s decision means America will be the only country outside the landmark deal if it follows through with Donald Trump’s vow to leave

Syria has announced it intends to join the 2015 Paris agreement for slowing climate change, leaving the United States as the only country in the world opposed to the pact.

Syria, wracked by civil war, and Nicaragua were the only two nations outside the 195-nation pact when it was agreed in 2015.

Nicaragua’s left-wing Government, which originally denounced the plan as too weak, signed up last month.

“I would like to affirm the Syrian Arab Republic’s commitment to the Paris climate change accord,” deputy Environment Minister Wadah Katmawi told a meeting of almost 200 countries at the November 6-17 climate talks in Bonn, Germany.

US President Donald Trump, who has expressed doubts that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are the prime cause of global warming, announced in June the intended to pull out and instead promote US coal and oil industries.

“We need everybody on board,” Ronald Jumeau, of the Seychelles, said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/07/syria-signs-paris-climate-agreement-and-leaves-us-isolated

Dig a little deeper and its obvious the real reason the UN is concerned about the US withdrawal.

COUNTRIES APPEAL TO TRUMP OVER CLIMATE CHANGE AS COP22 ENDS

Environmental groups such as Greenpeace have welcomed the united front displayed by nearly 200 countries in Marrakesh in the face of Donald Trump’s campaign threat to quit the Paris accord on climate change.

The UN negotiations concluded in Morocco in the early hours of Saturday with an agreement to hammer out a rulebook by 2018.

Last year’s Paris Agreement left many details vague, such as how countries will report and monitor national pledges to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

The final text also urges rich nations to keep building towards a goal of providing 100 billion dollars a year to help developing countries address climate change.

But some agencies are disappointed by a lack of concrete targets.

I’m a little worried by the lack of financial support to help poor countries adapt. This conference has been taking place in Africa, it was generally agreed that there should be more money, but in concrete terms unfortunately these decisions failed to materialise,” said Lutz Weischer, team leader on international climate policy at Germanwatch.

Read more: http://www.euronews.com/2016/11/19/countries-appeal-to-trump-over-climate-change-as-cop22-ends

Or this beauty from Turkey

Erdogan says U.S. stance stalls Turkish ratification of Paris climate deal

Erdogan said that when Turkey signed the accord France had promised that Turkey would be eligible for compensation for some of the financial costs of compliance.

“So we said if this would happen, the agreement would pass through parliament. But otherwise it won’t pass,” Erdogan told a news conference, adding that parliament had not yet approved it.

“Therefore, after this step taken by the United States, our position steers a course towards not passing this from the parliament,” he said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-climatechange-turkey-idUSKBN19T11R

Even avowed enemies of the United States like the Palestinian terrorist organisation Hamas have been receiving climate cash handouts from the UN, some of those funds provided by the USA – until President Trump moved to put a stop to it.

If there is one thing the Trump Presidency will be remembered for, it will be President Trump’s efforts to stop all these parisites feeding off the hard work of US taxpayers.

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205 thoughts on “Claim: USA Should Stay in the Paris Agreement, Because Syria Has Signed

    • I think it’s easy to comceive that at least some of those American climate dollars would have been used by tinpot dictators to buy military weapons.

      The Climate Agreement wouldn’t save the planet, it would arm it.

    • I tend to add the following phrase to it:

      “Whilst global business creams money off of the top”

      Two quotes I also like to use are these:

      Ottmar Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015:
      “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole …… We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy ……….. the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated. ”

      and this more recent one:

      Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change:
      “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution ”

      and never forgetting Maurice Strong’s statements explaining why he set up the IPCC and what it was to achieve:
      “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that .. the threat of global warming.. would fit the bill…. the real enemy, then, is humanity itself….we believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or…. one invented for the purpose.” Maurice Strong – speech to Club of Rome – and “invented” referred specifically to ‘Global Warming’

      and these other very telling words from Strong

      “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?” .

      and those two statements encapsulate what lies behind and is the reason for ‘Global Warming / Climate Change’ . Global Warming / Climate Change and CO2 started with Maurice Strong of the UN , UNEP and IPCC . He is credited as the founder of both ‘Global Warming’ and the IPCC, and as a matter of fact he did create both.

      If you check him out you will see his politics and what the intention was behind the idea of climate change and how it could be used to create an unelected world government – this was his second attempt after his earlier one to create a World Government through the UN failed. Neither attempt has seen Democracy as having any place in it. After some 40+ years involvement at the very heart of UN policymaking Strong was forced out and had most, if not all, of his honours stripped away over oil money from Iraq and money disappearing (~$1m) from UN coffers into one of Strong’s companies.

    • It’s “Taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries”. Important destinction.

      • Rich people in rich countries pay the most taxes. Poor people in the USA pay almost no fed taxes.

        so it should correct be…

        “Taking money from rich people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries”.

      • I “takes” the money from poor people by forcing them to pay exorbitant fees and rates for what should be a low cost commodity. The added costs are siphoned off for dubious purposes and moral aggrandizement/largess.

    • President Trump made the only decision that the USA can given that the agreement has recognised Palestine as a signing country
      Signing countries starting with “P” (from WIKI)
      Party———%GHG——–Date Signed——–Date Ratified———Date of enforcement
      Pakistan 0.43% 22 April 2016 10 November 2016 10 December 2016
      Palau 0.00% 22 April 2016 22 April 2016 4 November 2016
      Palestine N/A[d] 22 April 2016 22 April 2016 4 November 2016
      Panama 0.03% 22 April 2016 21 September 2016 4 November 2016
      Papua N G 0.01% 22 April 2016 21 September 2016 4 November 2016
      Paraguay 0.06% 22 April 2016 14 October 2016 13 November 2016
      Peru 0.22% 22 April 2016 25 July 2016 4 November 2016
      Philippines 0.34% 22 April 2016 23 March 2017 22 April 2017
      Poland 1.06% 22 April 2016 7 October 2016 6 November 2016
      Portugal 0.18% 22 April 2016 5 October 2016 4 November 2016
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

      • And Nick shows that he is clueless and doesn’t understand Bryan A’s comment.

        Or he does understand the comment and is intentionally trying to divert attention from reality.

      • Exactly…
        Nick,
        By U.S. law, the United States CANNOT be party to any Organization or Treaty or Agreement which specifically recognises Palestine as a Separate Country
        Since Palestine is a specific signatory of the Paris Agreement, the U.S. has a legal obligation to withdraw from and defund the Paris Accord
        It is U.S. law.

      • Bryan,
        By U.S. law, the United States CANNOT be party to any Organization or Treaty”
        Well, it is, and remains so.
        I was addressing the Moral Obligation.

      • Well, it is, and remains so.

        Well Nick, maybe in a technical sense the US is still part of the agreement. But since it has no enforcement provision the US doesn’t have to give a single dime or implement a single policy in support of the Agreement’s goals. So the US remaining as part of the agreement lets them send delegates and do all sorts of things to gum up the works.

        They would be better off letting the US completely withdraw now. But doing so would let all the countries with their hands out know for a fact that the money spigot isn’t going to flow (or at least not at anywhere near the promised level). And without that hope those countries have no political reason to even pay lip service to the Agreement. And we do all know that the Agreement is all about politics.

        Without the US as a willing member with its wallet wide open the Agreement is just a useless piece of paper. And even if the Democrats take back the WH in 2020 there will be 3 more years of data showing the doom and gloom has been a scam since day one.

      • Which Moral Obligation are you speaking about?
        Certainly nothing immoral about producing CO2. If that were the case, your breathing would be immoral.

      • We’re okay with your definition of “mostly don’t”. Should keep us in business for decades. (It also means we don’t buy their oil, coal and gas.)

    • Syria is a criminal enterprise that has committed war crimes and atrocities against its own people. Calling it a cesspool, dishonors cesspools. Whether it is annex or a garbage dump makes no difference to us. No money for the Criminal Assad. and none for you chaamjaml, either.

      • Substitute almost any other country name for Syria and it reads just as good.

        All government is a self legalising protection racket, no matter how much they spend on propaganda to tell you otherwise.

      • Walter Sobchak

        If the US had another civil war, I wonder if you would welcome Syria, or any other country, interfering?

        But the world and it’s wife considers it appropriate to condemn one or other side in the Syrian conflict and stick their oar in. Nor even a suggestion of WMD’s.

        Quite apart from the ludicrous concept of Syria being used as a bargaining chip in the climate war.

      • This is what the MSM want you to believe. Are the 10s of thousands of Jihadists ,backed by the US and UK, a friendly bunch? No they are headchopping,raping animals. I guess you have not seen the video of a young boy being beheaded by US-backed terrorists. You have been fed bs by the MSM. Look at both sides of the situation. Most Syrians want Assad to be their President.Would you prefer a child-raping headchopper as President of Syria? That was the US/UK plan all along.
        Assad was a London Eye specialist before his father died.The MSM have demonised him as a butcher.
        Not really relevent whether he supports climate agreements though. He has more important things to do,such as rid his country of foreign-backed mercenary terrorists,such as ISIS, Nusra, Free Syrian Army ,and other assorted murderous scum.

      • Walter………….Irrespective of the actual truth about Assad, and I tend not to believe lies coming from many Gov’ts including the U.S., if I had to choose the single country that is criminal enterprise that has committed war crimes and atrocities across the world in the last 20 years, it is the U.S.

      • kokoda

        Walter………….Irrespective of the actual truth about Assad, and I tend not to believe lies coming from many Gov’ts including the U.S., if I had to choose the single country that is criminal enterprise that has committed war crimes and atrocities across the world in the last 20 years, it is the U.S.

        Your opinion then. So, over those 20 years of lies and atrocities committed by the US by Clinton, Bush, and Obama (all who held to the UN’s climate change agenda of death and destruction, you would believe the US government’s lies and bureaucracies and false climate change propaganda? The last few Secretaries of State and DOD has held that climate change is a greater threat than the wars you condemn!

      • Walter Sobchak – November 7, 2017 at 8:53 pm

        Syria is a criminal enterprise that has committed war crimes and atrocities against its own people.

        Me thinks you have drank your fill of the “Kool Aide” being offered you by the MSM, US government agencies, US elected politicians and/or powerful people & corporations with vested interests, etc. because you can re-state your above comment about any of the following:

        Iran
        Iraq
        Egypt
        Libya
        Afghanistan
        Hawaii
        Yugoslavia
        Czechoslovakia
        Philippines
        Etc.

      • PhilW, and Hitler was a painter before he became a mass murderer.
        What does Assad’s previous occupation have to do with whether or not he is a mass murderer now?

      • kokoda, so it’s all lies, unless you agree with the politics.
        Your opinion is duly noted, and ridiculed.

      • In the world of the average leftist, every disagreement is between a good guy and a bad guy, and the guy the leftist supports is always a good guy.
        In the real world, the choice is rarely between a good guy and a bad guy, but rather it’s between a bad guy and a worse guy.

        Having to deal with the real world means you have to deal with bad guys.

      • In the world of US war-making, all the target countries’ leaders are mass murderers, by default, it sees to me. I don’t take the demonizing talk-talk too seriously, anymore.

      • My first guess was right–tinfoil hat leftist. Why defending Muslim doctrine that Kaffirs have no rights became a common belief of the left is beyond my comprehension. Whether it was a rationale for the Soviets backing the Arabs in the early 1950’s, when the socialist Israelis turned out to not be Stalinists, or just self-hatred of all westerners against the Third World by leftists, it meant backing either royalists or fascists or a tribal authoritarian like Amin Husseini.

    • Bingo, you nailed. All this is about is taking money from the USA. Without the USA tax dollars the Paris Agreement fails in its primary goal, redistributing wealth. There are two types of income/ wealth distribution schemes from the Left’s point of view, internal to the USA by taking money from those that created wealth and have income and giving it to those that don’t and redistributing the accumulated wealth of nations, primarily the USA, that have lead the world out of poverty. The last is why Clinton allowed so much technology to be transferred to China. When I was in Shanghai in 1985 there was one old IBM 360, running on FORTRAN. It ran about four hours a day because electrical power was so unreliable. Twenty years later China is the primary manufacturer of computers. They certainly didn’t develop the technology or technical skills by themselves in those 20 years.

    • Correct…

      I have heard this administration condemned for a horrible lack of leadership for not signing. But isn’t leadership the willingness to go against everyone when necessary? Joining the crowd of shameless rent-seeking virtue signalers is not leadership.

  1. The Climate Aid Fund is a murky pot of money (as most UN-administrated funds are) that will have a lot of hungry, yapping mouths to satisfy, and a lot of sticky fingers reaching in for a tiny piece of the $100Billion/year.

    Everyone from the NGO’s to the Vatican want a piece of that action, even China wants some as a Developing nation.

  2. So what have “Climate Change” monies been spent on so far? $500M from the US (grrrrr…………) and how much from other countries? The money is supposed to be for all the developing countries …. meaning every country except the Western industrials …. to help them “overcome effects of Climate Change”. Where’s the accounting (yes, rhetorical question). China has complained they haven’t received any of the money promised them as a “developing country”. The nerve. Has any country received anything yet? The UN set itself up as being responsible for the largess (and taking credit for it) but no one knows what they are doing with the money. No one is meeting any of the Accord goals in money or CO2 reduction yet they continue blathering about it. Only the US has stood up to the Globalists and said the emperor has no clothes on. How long will it take more to follow? Or do they need to if they aren’t doing anything towards the goals anyway?

      • Yes, indeed.
        We had some great and far ranging discussions back in July, IIRC, after Hawking made his last statements about a looming CO2 induced catastrophe.
        However, at that time, he warned that the Earth would be 250C and raining sulfuric acid, all because Donald Trump was elected president of the US.
        This latest statement makes those last ones look downright sensible and moderate.
        I never had a clue where he supposed enough sulfur would materialize from to make a rain of sulfuric acid, and I similarly have no clue how anyone could suppose the Earth could be transformed into a ball of fire.
        It seems that he, or whoever is putting these words into his mouth, simply dream up whatever is the scariest sounding ridiculousness possible, then declared it to be a fact and on it’s way to a planet near you.
        Sad indeed.
        Of course, the press, who should be at least maintaining a role of cursory BS filtering, do no such thing, and instead dutifully report such pronouncements in bog letters, while being sure to emphasize the complete fiction that Hawking is one of the greatest scientific minds to ever grace our presence.
        They are arguably worse than he is.

      • Is Hawking’s problem something that resembles age-onset dementia? Or perhaps personifies age-onset dementia? Or is it just proof that insanity can afflict the strongest of minds?

      • He is having issues his last paper which basically argued there was no such thing as a black hole was not well received and was generally of very low quality.

      • I would say that drum is being beaten by the people who manage the voice feed for the stuffed cadaver that gets trotted around and called Stephen Hawking.

      • Are there any recent videos of Stephen Hawking…….. that shows his eyes “blinking”?

        A curious mind would like to know.

    • It will be no surprise at all when it is revealed that Hawking has actually been a brain dead mute used as a high tech ventriloquist prop for the last several years..or more.

      • This may be the most likely explanation.
        My understanding of how he supposedly communicates sounds like it ought to be a painstaking and slow process, choosing one letter at a time.
        There is also a case made that it is not even him sitting in that chair.
        It is difficult to understand how someone with his condition could have survived this long.

      • But whatever the case may be, the remarks are attributed to the person holding Isaac Newton’s seat at the Royal Academy.
        As such, these words have great weight, which, IMO, makes it imperative that they be vigorously contested.

      • hunter – November 8, 2017 at 2:46 am

        It will be no surprise at all when it is revealed that Hawking has actually been a brain dead mute used as a high tech ventriloquist prop for the last several years..or more.

        Hunter, I have been thinking the same thing for the past ten years or so and was about to post a comment to that effect ….. but then I read yours.

        Great minds think alike, …… especially when it is such an obvious observation.

    • Maybe someone hacked Hawking’s speech computer. It’s not like he could do anything about it.

      I guess I just don’t want him to be one of “them”. I really loved his books.

      • It is a mistake to credit a world expert in one discipline with expertise in another. Unlike engineers, academics and scientists have a tendency to trust ‘peer reviewed’ literature without any verification. Then based on that shaky foundation they project their logical edifices forward. Like the problems with initial conditions identified by Lorentz this can lead to results widely divergent from reality.

      • No doubt this is true Ian, but these over the top assertions would not even make readable fiction.
        They would seem to betray a complete lack of basic scientific knowledge, are devoid of logic or plausibility, and are made to back up another idea that, given present engineering abilities and basic policy trends, is beyond far fetched itself.
        He calls for deindustrialization, and a huge push for galactic colonization…simultaneously.

      • The other explanation is that Hawking so despises the alarmist science behind CAGW that his only way is to outdo the alarmists at their own game is to make such ludicrous sweeping statements. By making these ridiculous pronouncements such as raining sulphuric acid and Venus style boiling oceans, he is being a Fifth Column in the Alarmist ranks by showing how ridiculous their rhetoric is by outdoing them by a few orders of magnitude. I think he knows exactly what he is saying, but now anyone in any public capacity or celebrity status, is vilified if they speak directly against the climate charade narrative. I don’t see any real Alarmists out there backing him up, or agreeing with his assessments, so it sort of says to me he is having the last laugh. I love it…he really is a genius.

    • Hansen said the oceans would boil. It’s not that different. Also, it matches the predictions in Revelations. Which should give the scientists pause, one would think.

      • ” Also, it matches the predictions in Revelations. ”
        No boiling oceans in my Book . . There’s fiery “stars” and such falling (which turns waters “bitter”, which is to say poisonous), and fire and smoke coming up from “the bottomless pit”, but no sign I can detect of “global warming” . .

      • PS, And there’s this from Genesis 8 (right after the great flood) ;
        While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

    • Hawking doesn’t “say” anything anymore — he can’t communicate at all. Anything attributed to him for many yrs now come from his “handlers”. He name is being used and abused.

  3. So the US will be the only country not in the Paris Accord. Except, apparently, for Turkey. How many other countries haven’t actually ratified the agreement?

  4. The French are doing a lot of shouting on the Paris Agreement – they need to be careful that the countries demanding handouts don’t turn expectantly to them

    • They might give more anyway: the Germans just stumped up an extra 50 million euros anyway.

      (also Germany is doing immense amounts of business selling renewable technology to India, etc, etc. USA misses out on that trade)

      • The “immense amout of business” Germany is doing is a drop in the bucket compared to what they are spending to alleviate their carbon sins. I couldn’t find an exact dollar figure but it appears they are making around 4 dollars for every 1000 they spend. .04 percent to alleviate .04 percent of the atmosphere. Ironic, isn’t it?

      • No reason for the US to participate in the energy bondage of poor countries. It’s immoral and wrong. Best we keep out of it.

      • I’m curious—does Griff believe giving homeless people shopping carts to push their stuff around in is “kind and helpful”? The insanity of the Left in the US enslaves people like this. It’s a frightening kind of evil that is disquise as “kindness”.

    • It is starting to look like a boxing or cage fight. All we need now is to charge a fee for pay per view and throw a bunch of cash in the middle and watch them all fight for it.

    • My favorite is, they looked at the gender. It matters because …
      ?
      Oh. I get it. It matters because, climate whores will need regular whores to even the sex balance. Well, money-for-sex is now forbidden in Paris (while sex for money, isn’t, scandinavian style prohibihion: you may sell your sex service, it is just forbidden to buy it), but who cares?

      • I’d like to see Trump tell these countries that want money from the US to shut their pie holes, or risk having all US cash aid they receive be converted into renewable/green hardware (eg, solar panels) that will be manufactured in the US and delivered to their docks. That’ll shut their yappers.

    • It isn’t how they would estimate, it’s how accurate would the estimation be? There’s no double-checking, no standard for reporting, nothing. Countries can lie all they want.

  5. “The final text also urges rich nations to keep building towards a goal of providing 100 billion dollars a year to help developing countries address climate change.”

    Sounds like a recipy for waste and corruption, working on imaginary problems rather than real ones, throwing money after adaption to imaginary climate change to countries that have not properly adapted to their real and currrent climate.

    • In the UK Prince Charles knows how to use the scam to grab more money.
      Buy shares in a company that gains by Carbon credits.
      Then ramp up the share price by promoting the scheme as a good ‘Green’ , save the planet and make me richer and the tax paying mugs poorer!

    • notice the careful wording. “providing”
      developing country corrupt leaders understand “in my pocket”,
      while western climate clique means “financing and investing, for things that belongs to us, and will give many time the money back (but of course you’ll have your fair share, dear DCCL)”
      That is, for example, climate clique commit to provide bird-chopper and friers to india, paid for on the long run by indians.
      And, voila, everybody currently in Paris is happy. All paid for by indian people.

    • And now every country in the world EXCEPT the US officially has the opposite point of view (oh and N Korea, I think)

      [so, what? The US is leading -mod]

      • So, USA is the only SENSIBLE country in the world.

        The USA DOES NOT NEED the Paris toilet paper agreement.

      • People do not need Paris agreement, because it is utterly useless, delaying the alleged doom 1 year in the century.

        Only the would be world masters need the Paris agreement, and make it a prerequisite to be member of their exclusive club

      • It’s a wealth-levelling scheme and everyone knows it. Nothing more. The charge is being led by a handful of rich western nations with corrupt ‘leaders’ hell bent on globalism at any cost to their own peoples welfare and the rest of the signees are there expecting cash handouts for signing up.

      • I guess your parents never told you that if everyone else jumped off a cliff, you’d be a fool to do the same. Of course, since your’e sitting here typing, either you never had friends who tried that or you never had friends. (You may have ignored your parents, a third option.) Of all the insanely stupid reasons to do something, “everyone else is doing it” is the most childish and wrong of any. It says you have no backbone, no independent thought, no understanding of reality. It’s both sad and terrifying. History is full of tyrants who succeeded by saying “Everyone else is doing this—we must too.”

      • giffiepooed:

        Janice was very nice and posted this the other day.

        Now that those fossil fuel burning and mining countries have signed; the new Paris attainment chart is:

        Not a single blasted change.

        Plus, those crackpots should be dinged for the fossil fuels burned to host the latest COP dingbat gathering.

  6. ““We need everybody on board,” Ronald Jumeau, of the Seychelles, said.”
    Well everyone else is on board Ron and have stumped up beautifully (sarc). Still waiting for your cheque though Ron?
    What a farce this is and here is tipping it will be out of business within 3 years or so.
    I say that is with a high degree of probability that it might or might not happen by the way.
    They are all manipulating their ways around it.
    Certainly China and India must be laughing up their sleeves as this gives them another free kick and will they ever take advantage of it.

    • We’ll see: the coalition terms are still under discussion.

      2.7 GW of lignite plant (a small amount, but a start) is already scheduled for close and it will be going by the 2040s at latest…

      • Just remember Lignite is Brown Coal. You get pilloried in Australia if you mention those two words in conjunction or even in the same sentence.
        Ironic indeed that the Poster Boy/Girl for the movement still sources ~25% of Germany’s power from Brown Coal.
        Hypocritical????
        Good luck with the 2040 forecast.

      • And how old is it now, griff?

        Another 22 years of life from old plants. That’s pretty good reliability, wouldn’t you say, griff.

        Most wind turbines will have to be replaced or removed as scrap well before then.

      • I love Griff’s optimism. Germany sold the last one to Poland which at this rate is never going to close, so it’s on German land but owned by Poland I wonder how that is recorded on the emissions report. I will take a guess neither country records it :-)

      • wind turbines have a 25 year life Andy. And solar panels 25 to 30 years. That’s the design life. did you have a point?

      • Design life may not be equal to actual life. It’s the same caveat used in mpg rating on cars. In the lab, it got 40 mpg. In reality, 25. The care could be sold with the 40 mpg tag and a statement that “your mileage may vary”. How to lie with statistics.

      • paqyfelc – your proof point of wind tubine’s lack of reliability is one located in antarctica? with a cold climate where less than .01% of the world wind turbine install base is located?

        and you said “And anyway they don’t even produce as mush energy as need need to put them to work, so it is pointless,”

        That is false. http://www.iowaenergycenter.org/expert_question/much-energy-consumed-manufacture-construction-wind-tower-much-energy-will-unit-produce-expected-life/

      • @Chris,
        thank you Chris, you obviously consider that it was stupid in the first place to build a wind turbine in such a place. But they did. Why? I long to have your answer…

        so “a wind turbine may generate up to 80 times the energy required to manufacture and erect the turbine over its 25 year life” ? you believe that? that’s so ridiculous a claim, it literally SHOW that to make his point, the expert “forgot” all or most gray energy. And if he had to do that, it is obviously for a reason : without this trick, the wind turbine would be shown for what it is, namely, a net-energy consuming object.
        Why can I be so sure it is? because it needs subsidies (not just get subsidies, but require them to be build). Costs can be traced back to capital and work, and capital and work come from energy. So a thing that require subsidies consumes more energy that it will provide. period.

      • Solar Power Systems (panels) appear to have a lifespan of storm to storm. 10 – 15% need replacement after the next storm

    • I think we can drop the “Climate Barbie” title it’s a bit like using “denier”, I think we can do better and use her name Catherine McKenna.

    • The whole point LdB, is to mock a public official (Minister of Climate Change no less) who mocks anyone as a Deni@r who dares challenge climate politics against the orthodoxy of shrillest, alarmist rhetoric. And she spends $40K on PR imaging for her beauty complex, straight from the public purse. This low IQ drama queen deserves ridicule in spades. Unfortunately, the ‘Ken’ doll in all of this is PM Trudeau. #Climate Barbie

  7. Thank God I live in a country that had the good sense to elect a leader willing and able to call “BS” on the whole climate-change kleptocracy. MAGA!

    De-fund the UN, the UNEP, NOAA, NASA [climate], USGCCP, and the rest of the scum-bags using gummint funds to propagandize and mis-inform. Bring on the fraud and RICO investigations. Mann, Trenberth, and Kukla for prison in 2018.

    It’s a start.

      • Not unbelievable. People rarely learn. You’ll see them voting in the same people who destroy them again and again.

      • Politically neither the Virginia or New Jersey Governors elections were surprises contrary to what the media has been babbling on about. Neither were they any indication of next year’s mid-terms. A year is an eternity in politics.

  8. markl November 7, 2017 at 8:49 pm
    So what have “Climate Change” monies been spent on so far? $500M from the US (grrrrr…………) and how much from other countries?

    These questions are worth repeating. What countries have given money, and how much, and what countries have received money, and how much???

    SR

  9. It’s too late for Syria (and Lebanon) – waaaaaaaaaaay over 2,000 years too late from when The Phoenicians moved in and cut, burned and ploughed everything into oblivion. Hence why the only Cedar of Lebanon tree you’ll ever see if you visit the place will be a picture on the national flag.

    Sound familiar. How are the trees of The Carolinas holding up? Has Drax burned them all yet?

    Of course they (at the time) and learned and distinguished professors (now) will tell you Climate Change was the cause of the destruction.

    Look and learn.

    • Peta, tho I think burning wood for electric power is ridiculous, the forests are generally well managed in the east US, and you can be certain those harvested pines are replanted. Managed pine stands (usually loblolly pines) are very common in the southeast US. Hardwood stands in my area (central Appalachians) are well-managed too.

  10. The USA has a huge National Debt, huge annual federal deficits, and huge annual trade deficits. Before we can even consider providing financial aide for anything we have to first get our own financial house in order. We need to turn things arround so that we are running annual trade surpluses. running annual fedral surplus and have completely payed off our National Debt which at best will be many decades from now. But the reality is that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is really zero. Even if we could stop the climate from changing, extreme weather events are part of our current climate and would continue to happen unabated. The “Parris Agreement” program is a very expensive program with no potential benefit for anyone. The AGW conjecture is full of holes the largest of which is that the radiative greenhouse effect has not been observed anywhere in the solar system. The radiant greenhouse effect is sceince fiction. Hence the AGW conjecture is sceince fiction. We should not be waisting our money on science fiction. .

    • There is not the faintest whisper of a chance that the DC politicians will ever stop spending more than taxes can possibly bring in.
      Even the few years of surpluses during the 1990s, brought on my giant tax revenues from a booming stock market and an economy firing on all cylinders, never put a tiny dent in the national debt…although economic growth did make the amount of the debt very much smaller compared to the entire economy.
      But demographics are now far different, and the quickly ballooning entitlements programs pretty much ensure that we will never pay down the national debt…not in our lifetimes, anyway.
      The best that can be hoped for is to balloon the economy to a size that makes the debt small by proportion to the economy.
      But that will take many years of huge economic growth…far higher than anything we have seen for the past ten years.
      CAGW is designed to make sure that that never happens, and instead the economy shrinks.
      “Sustainability” is code for “No economic growth”.

      • Remember as much as entitlements are hanging over our economic heads there is the little issue of Fed interest rates. Do the math relative to the impact of just doubling the present interest rates and then bringing the interest rate up the the average since World War II. Either way interest on the national debt becomes the single biggest expenditure. Since foreign countries own a large portion of our debt it is another wealth redistribution scheme.

  11. Syria is a” developing country” under the UN FCCC.
    The United States of America is an Annex 1 and Annex11 ( OECD countries) country.
    Annex 11 Countries are required to provide finance to developing countries to assist them in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
    Why should the US and other developed countries have to fund that reduction exercise?
    Well, historically the money lay with the US and the West.
    China is a developing country.
    It is now the greatest creditor country in the world.
    If China wishes to fill the gap left by the US in combating climate change let it do so.
    China can announce it is no longer a developing country.
    I think readers can reach their own conclusion as to the flaws in this UN FCC process.

  12. “….alleged war criminal Bashar Al Assad…
    … Palestinian terrorist organisation Hamas…
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

    Whenever the United States wants to use weapons of mass destruction and mega-violence to achieve political goals – the very definition of terrorism, btw—you always see phrases like…

    brutal dictator
    and/or
    war criminal
    and/or
    he gassed his own people
    and/or
    he has weapons of mass destruction

    Of course, the brutal assault on Iraq by our brutal dictators in the glorious western nations wasn’t a war crime. It was just a mistake resulting from a universal failure of intelligence, or “for bureaucratic reason” (Wolfowitz) or something like that.

    No worries, mate!
    The west would never engage in wholesale genocide just for fun and profit.

    “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”
    -terrorist and alleged war criminal, Winston Churchill

  13. I wonder if any politicians/’celebrities’/journalists have actually READ or UNDERSTOOD the fundamentals of the Paris Accord..?
    Just in case any of the above actually read these comments, I’ll set it out in simple terms, so that even they can understand…
    Each country was invited to propose its plans to reduce CO2 emissions. These proposals were accepted without comment.
    For example – China – a signatory – proposed to carry on building coal-fired power stations until 2030 – at which point its emissions would peak, and it would start reducing them.
    The USA – NOT a signatory, for very good reasons – billions of taxpayers’ dollars at risk – is already reducing emissions due to moving from coal to natural gas.
    So – can someone explain to me why the USA is being vilified..?

    • Squiggy is right; David forgot to add that the more prosperous economies would fund all the reparations for ‘climate change’ and for all the decarbonization (sic) expenses of the poorer countries. Magically this would mean that USA (the only country to actually reduce emissions due to change to natural gas and industries moving to countries) would be paying the lions share to ‘developing countries’ like China which will soon have a larger economy than the USA and which will continue to increase its use of coal at a rate of 2 or 3 new coal fired power stations each month until 2030. Only the previous US Administration would see this as a good deal. Unsurprisingly, the Trump Administration did not.

  14. “I’m a little worried by the lack of financial support to help poor countries adapt.”

    Now that is strange. I thought that moving to renewables would provide lots of jobs and cheaper electricity. Why the financial support?

    • It seems strange to you, because you think it is english language. It is not, it is globish language. Let me translate it for you.
      “I’m a little worried” = (wolf growling)
      ” financial support ” = bribe money for the corrupt leaders with significant pay back for me;
      “help” = do as i demand;
      “adapt” = give me the power and money;
      So this read:
      “give me the money to bribe corrupt leader into letting me racket and enslave their poor citizen, or else…”

      • There is a interesting backdrop that for the number of people supposedly effected (est at 1M) you could just relocate them and pay them $100K each and come out in front. The number obviously got around because Fiji in it’s opening speech made a case that exactly that not to occur the pacific islanders want to keep there territory.

  15. Western “intelligent-sia” persuaded to poor of the world to wallow in poverty so that they can feel virtuous for “saving the planet”. Except they are not “saving the planet”, nor are they intelligent. Really quite thick when you talk to them.

  16. The US by pulling out of Paris Accord should show that it is the leader, and that other countries should follow suit.

    By pulling out of the Paris Accord, the US has saved tens of billions of dollars. Trump would be well advised to waste some of that money on projects that will appeal to the SJW, and thereby make it difficult for them to criticise him.

    Trump should go on the offensive, and highlight the real world problems that we are facing in the 21st century and he should say that he is using some of the $billions that the US would have paid under the Paris Accord to address these issues, such as clean water in Africa, lack of irrigation etc.

    He should make it clear that the Paris Accord is a monumental waste of resource, and that there are far better ways to spend money that will well and truly assist those in the 3rd world. He should challenge the other members of the G20 to get their priorities right, and to do likewise.

    It would then be very difficult for those on the left to criticise Trump and America.

  17. So I guess the name of the game now is Climate Shame. The US, by taking a principled stand, and one which will prove to be the correct one is being othered, as a Climate Pariah. I have no doubt there are plenty of what can only be called traitors in the US, who actually hate their own country, who do feel shame, and want everyone else to as well. But the problem is that taking a principled stand, which happens to be the correct one, and being the only one taking it is something to be extremely proud of. Furthermore, by taking that stand, we ensure that the CAGW hegemony which is based solely on lies and corruption and is extremely harmful to all humanity, fails.
    You’re welcome, world.

    • Or a 160 odd other countries are taking a principled stand and the US forfeits its place as a world leader due to its shameful actions.

      You need to see that outside the US, the US actions are very widely seen as stupid and selfish

      • Wrong as usual Griff. The shame rests solely with those backing the Paris Shamgreement and attempting to shame the US into doing so as well. Your delusional thinking is truly pathetic.

      • I am outside the US, and I applaud the principled stand taken by the US.

        The world is very fortunate that President Trump has come just in the nick of time. let us hope that he completes his work, drains the swamp, and makes america Great Again.

        And perhaps other countries will have the courage to follow. We can live in hope.

      • Sounds like the leftists who explain that when rich people object to a 90% tax rate, they are just being selfish.

      • Griff,

        Here is why I am being hostile with you moron!

        https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/co2-emissions-by-country-since2000.jpg?w=720&h=463

        America is by far the best at reducing CO2 emissions as shown in this link you amazingly completely forgot,since this was the PREVIOUS blog post:

        #COP23 In one graph, best reason ever why the USA doesn’t need to be in the #ParisAgreement

        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/07/cop23-in-one-graph-best-reason-ever-why-the-usa-doesnt-need-to-be-in-the-parisagreement/

        Stop being stupid as hell, tired of your idiotic bashing of America over globalic warming crap.

      • Or 150 odd other countries are taking the stance that if the other handful of countries run by burbling globalist maniacs are prepared to give away huge chunks of tax payers hard-earned then they will be there to scoop it in. In a hugely principled way of course I’m sure. There’s no fool like a Griff fool.

      • Simple people actually think that governments around the world represent their denizens. I’m sure right now there is some poor Sudanese mother with 5 mouths to feed that is just cursing the U.S. for pulling out.

      • Why should she curse the United States for pulling out?
        US-donated food likely feeds her, her family for years and years. US technology IS her only hope for clean water, sewage disposal and treatment, tractors, trucks, streets and roads, dams, irrigation ditches, food storage and food and sanitation.
        She is being fed, like billions of others, by the greater productivity of the extra CO2 now in the air.

        Now, true, she is being lied to by her government and by the UN/IPCC, and their socialists.

      • Actually just looked up an interesting number, USA foreign aide budget is $38B. So pull it all, give the Green Fund the balance they want $3B and walk away. Your $35B a year better off.

      • “You need to see that outside the US, the US actions are very widely seen as stupid and selfish”

        I would love to keep it that way. Esp the selfish part. I’m thrilled when socialists, collectivists, eco-nuts and authoritarians think we are stupid.

      • I hereby propose that Griff give each of us five bucks and if he doesn’t we’ll all call him stupid and selfish.

      • Griff sounds amazingly like all the other totalitarian apologists down through the centuries. Besides, most Americans don’t give a damn what some jealous people in other countries think of us. That’s one of the things that made us great – our fierce independence. A little name calling won’t change that. We just laugh at their juvenile attempts to manipulate us.

      • ‘Principled stand’.
        Boy, what a self-serving, perversion of the word.
        Sorry, Grift – you don’t get to con us out of any more money.
        Talk about stupid and selfish.

      • Griff, I have yet to figure out whether you are as naively ignorant as you sound or you are a well paid troll. Either way you most obviously know little history, certainly nothing about international politics, past or present, and damned little of how the average American thinks. For example, for most of our history we have been isolationist, avoiding as best we could any foreign entanglements. We certainly didn’t, and most of us still don’t, give a rats behind what other countries thought of us. It was the rise of international communism after WWII that changed our world view through necessity. And by the by, most of the citizens in other countries love America, it is their governments that don’t like us.

  18. OT, but good news (in case anyone hasn’t been keeping up with the news) – except for small insurgent groups hiding in the desert, ISIS should be eliminated from Syria and Iraq before the year ends.

  19. Well the USA actually belongs in a category all its own. It basically made the modern world economy, it ended the constant wars that Europe had since time immemorial. And look what they did with this peace, SHEESH – signed the whole world up for neomarxbrothers totalitarianism. In another 30 years we will be sending missionaries and aid to starving rabble. Africa, don’t do this to yourselves again. What they promise you is you will be a safari destination forever.

  20. What’s the big deal, they can fund PA by selling CO2. I’ve got some CO2 that I will sell to them so cheaply for them to get started, and I can guarantee that there will be less than 50% CH4 contamination.

  21. “Erdogan said that when Turkey signed the accord France had promised that Turkey would be eligible for compensation for some of the financial costs of compliance.”

    Where’s my bribe money?

  22. “Syria” can’t even agree (or enforce agreement) to get rid of chemical weapons. What makes them signing the Paris accord meaningful?

  23. Yes, Syria would like to rebuild with chemical weapons facilities powered by 100 percent renewable energy. So would the Hamas tunneling crews and the Hezbollah combat training camps. Oh and since ISIS is out of the oil production business they would like to sign on.

  24. No one ever refers to Obama Clinton or Bush as “alleged war criminals”, when they actually were :D

    That label is saved for enemies of NATO

  25. Well, seems V. Putin has shown B. Assad that it would be beneficial for Syria to take the time and effort to fill out whatever forms are necessary for the non-binding (except for US courts) Paris Agreement.
    Obviously this shows that being in the agreement in the U.S.’s best interest!!

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