WE WERE WRONG, CLIMATE SCIENTISTS CONCEDE
- Ben Webster, The Times
Catastrophic impacts of climate change can still be avoided, according to scientists who have admitted they were too pessimistic about the chances of limiting global warming.
The world has warmed more slowly than had been predicted by computer models, which were “on the hot side” and overstated the impact of emissions on average temperature, research has found.
New forecasts suggest that the world has a better chance than claimed of meeting the goal set by the Paris Agreement on climate change of limiting warming to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels.
The study, published in the prestigious journal Nature Geoscience, makes clear that rapid reductions in emissions will still be required but suggests that the world has more time to make the necessary changes.
Michael Grubb, professor of international energy and climate change at University College London and one of the study’s authors, admitted that his previous prediction had been wrong.
He stated during the climate summit in Paris in December 2015:
“All the evidence from the past 15 years leads me to conclude that actually delivering 1.5C is simply incompatible with democracy.”
Speaking to The Times, he said: “When the facts change, I change my mind, as Keynes said.
“It’s still likely to be very difficult to achieve these kind of changes quickly enough but we are in a better place than I thought.”
Professor Grubb said that the new assessment was good news for small island states in the Pacific, such as the Marshall Islands and Tuvalu, which could be inundated by rising seas if the average temperature rose by more than 1.5C.
“Pacific islands are less doomed than we thought,” he said.
Professor Grubb added that other factors also pointed to more optimism on climate change, including China reducing its growth in emissions much faster than predicted and the cost of offshore wind farms falling steeply in the UK.
He said:
“We’re in the midst of an energy revolution and it’s happening faster than we thought, which makes it much more credible for governments to tighten the offer they put on the table at Paris.”
The study found that a group of computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had predicted a more rapid temperature increase than had actually occurred.
The global average temperature has risen by about 0.9C since pre-industrial times but there was a slowdown in the rate of warming for 15 years before 2014.
Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford and another author of the paper, said:
“We haven’t seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models. We haven’t seen that in the observations.”
He said that the group of about a dozen computer models, produced by government research institutes and universities around the world, had been assembled a decade ago “so it’s not that surprising that it’s starting to divert a little bit from observations”.
He said that too many of the models used “were on the hot side”, meaning they forecast too much warming.
According to the models, keeping the average temperature increase below 1.5C would mean the world could afford to emit only about 70 billion tonnes of carbon after 2015. At the current rate of emissions, this so-called “carbon budget” would be used up in three to five years’ time.
Under the new assessment , the world can emit another 240 billion tonnes and still have a reasonable chance of keeping the temperature increase below 1.5C.
“That’s about 20 years of emissions before temperatures are likely to cross 1.5C,” Professor Allen said.
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What I notice is that they use pre-industrial, i.e. during the LIA as their baseline. How convenient.
I suggest that an archive is now made, and republished on a regular basis, of the more egregious prognostications by named individuals and their institutions. Otherwise there will be a great, deliberate ‘forgetting’
I agree. A big list is required.
Agreed, an archival list that is both hard copy and online is necessary, and something they can’t hack into.
This morning on the BBC Today program Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford and another author of the paper, was asked if, in the light of what has now been found, the models would be corrected.
He said that they would be corrected.
He explained that, instead of assuming that the temperature increase to date had been 1.3o C, as the models had predicted as recently as the mid 2000s, they would now use the revised figure of 1.00 C.
The interviewer forgot to ask him why they would continue to use the same models whose predictions had been falsified by observation.
The interviewer didn’t forget. He had no idea what questions to ask.
…all the while ignoring troposphere T has warmed considerably less, and was suppose to warm more. Egads, the models are worse then we thought.
We didn’t lie…we exaggerated….
Stating their predictions were wrong should be evidents that the effects of Carbon Dioxide increase are not what they made them out to be….but, they refuse to tell the truth by admitting that in how they present it. The connon person will not read this article and understand that perspective. How many gt of CO2 have been increased into the environment over the last 2 decades making green energy devices, that take many more year’s to pay back their CO2 pumped into the environment? The perspective of adding more CO2 now to reduce future CO2 has been ludicrous when they stated down that path. How they say it’s to reduce CO2 when the opposite is true and all that added CO2 has not caused the warming as predicted.
‘heads I win , tails you lose ‘ classic climate ‘science’
it really did not matter what was done or not done , for no matter what happen it would be held up as ‘proof’ of AGW and of course they retain the ability to say ‘but it will get worse , doom , oh , doom ‘
And to me it sounded like it was giving us permission with more time to pump more CO2 into the environment before it reaches a lower temperature (1.5 as to 2.0) to reach before the disaster has to be addressed.
Like all doomsday cults – just keep pushing the day of reckoning farther out when the cataclysm fails to materialize in the time previously allotted.
I thought it was September 23rd.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4474635/end-of-the-world-september-23-david-meade-great-american-solar-eclipse-planet-x/
The computer simulations of climate have been of no value because they hard coded in that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. This begs the question.
The AGW conjecture depends upon the existance of a radiant greenhouse effect provided for by trace gases that have LWIR absorption bands. One problem with that concept is that good absorbers are also good radiators so the so called greenhouse gases do not trap heat energy any more than all the other gases in the atmosphere. A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of a radiant greenhouse effect. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass limits cooling by convection. It is a convective greenhouse effect. Same too on Earth where gravity limits cooling by convection. From first principals the Earth’s convective greenhouse effect keeps the Earth’s surface on average, 33 degrees C warmer then if it were at the black body radiator equilibirum temperature. 33 degrees C is the derived amount and 33 degrees C is what has been observed. Additional warming caused by a rediant greenhouse effect has not been observed. A radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed anywhere in the solar system. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction. Hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction.
We have to learn to live with the reality that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control.
You are correct that a good absorber is a good radiator. However, emission is based on the temperature of the radiator. So radiation absorbed at higher levels is emitted at a lower rate than it is absorbed. This emission goes in all directions, both towards and away from the surface. So while it is accurate the a=e for a particular lambda, it would be wrong to imply that amount of absorption= amount of emission for a particular body, or level in the atmosphere.
“So radiation absorbed at higher levels is emitted at a lower rate than it is absorbed.”
I think that is a bit garbled, as it does not make much sense in its present form. Could you reiterate?
Sorry, only a few hours of sleep last night. Radiation absorbed at higher elevations is emitted at lower rates than absorption because its temperature is lower.
Would that not result in a net imbalance in stored energy that would eventually reach a level to tear the molecules apart?
In the troposphere heat energy transport is dominated by a combination of conduction, convection, and by H2O phase change. LWIR absorption band heat energy transfer makes little difference. Actually it is the non-greenhouses gases that are apt to hold onto heat energy longer because they are such poor LWIR radiators to space.
“Actually it is the non-greenhouses gases that are apt to hold onto heat energy longer because they are such poor LWIR radiators to space.”
Which is why introducing additional good LWIR radiators into the mix, which can be thermalized and radiate the heat away, can have a cooling impact.
Gases won’t radiate heat away. You are only guaranteed radiation up toward the atmosphere from the surface. Radiation from gases will go in any direction. If you were to split the atmosphere up into distinct thin layers and Lon at the up/down admittance at each boundary you would get that each layer radiates 50% up, 50% down. So will gases radiate energy away, I suppose so. But they also radiate energy back to the lower layers and surface.
the waterme1on’s don’t change. I see this a some sort of agreed too flanking move to put pressure on Trump to stay in the Paris accords. Remember they still control the data output for temps. If every country started to participate in the wea1th redistribushun and destruction of society they would slowly reverse the warming bias and claim victory. A flanking move is better than backing one’s self into a corner.
Divert a little bit from observations? As in temperature not warming up as opposed to rapid warming? That’s a pretty big divergence, in my book.
“it’s not that surprising that it’s starting to divert a little bit from observations”
Yeah, it’s like saying the Pope and Galileo had a little bit of a disagreement.
Yup!
Pope: Earth doesn’t move, but lies at rest near the center of the universe, with everything else revolving around it, according to the Ptolemaic model which Holy Mother Church has adopted.
GG: Earth moves around the sun, while rotating daily and wobbling on its axis.
IPCC: Earth’s temperature is rapidly and dangerously warming, and is sure to keep doing so, as shown by our models.
Mother Nature: Earth’s temperature hasn’t warmed for about 20 years, except for brief ENSO fluctuations, contrary to your models.
This is what the start of the walkback looks like. We get incremental adjustments in the predictions, but no admission that the fundamentals are rotten, and no apologies for having misdirected billions of people and trillions of dollars.
Exactly.
+97
Someone suggested an archive of their silly predictions, something they can’t hack into and change. It’s a necessity, especially when they will try to insist some time from now that they had always said “XX degrees C”.
I’m waiting for the snowflakes who get this news to absorb it and melt into puddles of tears over it.
Indeed! This is preparing the ground for a strategic retreat.
In 50 years’ time, when all who could be held accountable are safely dead, officially-sanctioned historians may point out what a boondoggle this business was. There will be a round of self-congratulatory backslapping while everyone agrees that something like that could never happen again. But … it will.
Since they declared victory over man made warming let’s agree that 2% renewables is just right
FTW
2 percent is WAY too much. That 2 percent will kill million of animals.
According to my research renewables’ contribution to reduced CO2 emissions remains zero. The logistics of mining special materials, manufacture, transport, instillation and maintenance, more than gobbles up any advantage.
As for electric cars: where does the energy come from to cope with the elevated demand during peak charging times? Every factory car park and inner city will need charging stations to avoid peak demand at night.
In the end economics will rule. There is a currently a glut of LNG. Floating storage is being manufactured to install close to any country that wants it. Africa is the main target as it could benefit hugely from this resource.
I don’t mean to explicitly say that the rats are now jumping ship and saying that they want a lifeline to the wharf. But those same rats chewed a hole in the side that caused it to sink. No quarter to be given.
This reminds me of the old (ineffective) trick of walking backwards to make others think you are not trying to escape!!
Welp, it’s sad, but they’re just going to have to be jailed for “harming the future” now. Goose and gander and all that.
How long before these authors are labeled deniers?
Andrew, you could have posted a spew alert before you added that!
They’ll be castigated by the Snowflake True Believers, who will rally behind their Mann (pun intended) to the very end. I hope they enjoy shoveling 4 feet of snow away from their apartment building doors.
Only two scientists who are saying “it’s not quite so bad, but it’s still baaad (send more money).”
We still need the fat lady to sing …
The fat lady being the IPCC and relevant national science associations.
The problem is that if the rate of warming decreases then the AGW crowd will claim it is because ot the measures implemented rather then natural variation. Heads they win, tails they win despite AGW is a con.
At least I give them some credit for admitting what has been obvious to many of us, but should there not be consequences for those who have been screaming so loud and demanding suicidal measures ?
We knew the climate change models were wrong as they over predicted warming by large margins yet they clung onto them foolishly.
Can we shut down the D level Scientist, Al Gore, please.
Anyone who believes them now is a fool.
How about all those economies and people they caused hardship by mandating costly unreliable green energy.
“… less doomed than we thought, … ”
Please Sir….
Can we have our money back?
It’s worse than we thought! We’re not as doomed as we thought so everybody will ignore us and we’re all really doomed now!
Can’t wait to see the next IPCC report , If there ever is one again . Guaranteed the top ring leaders of the climate has a fever fraud won’t be drafting wording to fit the political objective of the criminals behind the biggest frauds in history . People are hip to their tricks and can’t wait to jail those con men .
A great article here by the NYT looking into everything connected to climate change. Good bedtime reading for the sceptic community. Get back to me or the NYT with any questions you may have:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/climate/what-is-climate-change.html?emc=edit_clim_20170919&nl=&nlid=78479759&te=1&_r=0
A pack of baseless assertions, not backed up by even a scrap of science. Is there the source of your antiscientific, antihuman, unwarranted opinions? The NYT? Why am I not surprised?
Ivankinsman – the fact that you are even allowed to post such contrary opinion/garbage here – from a fanatical CAGW supporting source – says it all – one side is tolerant reasonable open and honest in search of the truth, and CAGW proponents are not.
1. Climate change? Global
warming? What do we call it?
Call it misdirection, as it was invoked to hide the fact that the temperatures were diverging from the models.
2. How much is the Earth heating up?
Few reject the evidence that the planet warmed last century. The questions are, is it bad, are we at fault, and can we do anything about it? The answers are no, no, and no.
3. What is the greenhouse effect, and
how does it cause global warming?
In the 19th century, scientists discovered that certain gases in the air trap and slow down heat that would otherwise escape to space.
False. In the 19th century, it was observed that certain gases absorb in the IR. Beyond that, it was conjectured that their presence in the atmosphere would heat the planet beyond what it otherwise would have been, and the available evidence seems consistent with that conjecture. But, incremental sensitivity to specific quantities is still up in the air, so to speak.
“…the Earth has warmed by roughly the amount that scientists predicted it would.”
False.
4. How do we know humans
are responsible for the
increase in carbon dioxide?
We aren’t, and the purported evidence is all post hoc ergo propter hoc. It is impossible to proportionately affect a balance by a greater amount than one’s proportionate addition to the input that establishes the balance, and our proportionate addition is small.
5. Could natural factors be
the cause of the warming?
Yep.
6. Why do people deny the
science of climate change?
They observe that the Earth is not warming consistently with the models.
7. How much trouble are we in?
Big trouble, if the statists succeed in driving us into poverty and curtailing civil liberties in the name of a nonexistent peril.
8. How much should I worry about
climate change affecting me directly?
Only insofar as the above power grab succeeds.
9. How much will the seas rise?
Negligibly in your lifetime, your childrens’ lifetimes, and their childrens’ lifetimes.
10. Is recent crazy weather
tied to climate change?
No. The weather has always been “crazy”.
11. Are there any realistic
solutions to the problem?
No, as the existence of a problem is necessary for it to be solved.
12. What is the Paris Agreement?
A worthless agreement that would hardly make a dent in the problem, if it existed, but would make us all significantly poorer for no reason.
13. Does clean energy help
or hurt the economy?
It is a misallocation of resources with huge opportunity costs that drags the economy down.
14. What about fracking or ‘clean coal’?”
Be thankful that we are blessed with abundant energy resources.
15. What’s the latest with electric cars?
Still extra-expensive with limited battery life. Still limited range. Still not suitable for extra-cold or extra-hot environments. Still sources of major pollution from mining, processing, and disposal of heavy metals, and energy intensive manufacture.
16. What are carbon taxes, carbon
trading and carbon offsets?
Scams for the well-meaning but gullible.
17. What can
I personally do about it?
Not a thing.
14. Clean coal..
Yes a bit dusty when being mined.. wear respirators.
At combustion, the major by-product is a highly beneficial gas, CO2, which supports ALL LIFE ON EARTH
Minor pollutants are continually being reduced.
Coal and gas are probably the CLEANEST and MOST BENEFICIAL energy sources on the planet.
I will address point 12 directly. The Paris climate accord one of the best agreements evet made on this planet, and its implementation is now inevitable. Strange that one of the over 200 signatory countries has chosen to follow the US’s exit – I wonder why …
http://www.euronews.com/2016/11/18/action-on-climate-change-is-an-urgent-duty-cop22-delegates
should read: ‘… not one of the over 200 signatory countries …
Nicaragua too also now seems to disagree with you:
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/21/nicaragua-sign-paris-agreement-leaving-united-states-alone-syria/
Now, which stage of grief is bargaining?