Bernie Sanders and Bill Nye have given a joint presentation on climate. In my opinion their presentation more than anything demonstrates how out of touch they are with ordinary people.
Some Highlights:
- Bill Nye wants to convince President Trump renewables make economic sense.
- Bill Nye thinks Fox News Anchors “know better” about climate change – he thinks prominent skeptics are lying about their true position on climate change.
- Some nonsense about Tobacco
- “If we can get these people to look at it more closely, they’ll be on the side of renewables.”
- If we ignore climate, we’ll build seawalls – the developing world doesn’t have the resources to build seawalls.
- “When the ocean comes in, they’re just going to leave. They’re going to default on their mortgages, and there’s going to be all this copper and infrastructure just sitting there”.
- Climate change is causing terrorism – “a lot of the problems in the middle east are displaced young men who don’t want to work the family farm anymore, because the family farm isn’t doing so well anymore, so they go to the cities, can’t find jobs, and get involved in terrorism”.
- Wants “deniers” to think about “cognitive dissonance”.
- “Instead of accepting the client is changing, you’re denying the evidence, and denying the authorities”
- “Deniers” are suffering from the “backfire effect” – apparently when we hear a nasty rattle from the car engine we ignore it, because we think everything will be fine.
- “Its not just that the world has too many people, we’re not using our resources as well as we could.”
- Sanders: “Give me some examples of the fossil fuel industry, in maintaining this thing is not real”.
- Bill Nye doesn’t answer the question, talks about how big the Canadian Tar Sands mining industry is.
- Bill Nye thinks oil majors will get even richer if they invest in renewables.
- “If you put in double or triple glazing, you will save a lot of money, for free”
- Nye talking about how he drives a Chevy Bolt – wants to electrify all ground transportation. Chevy Bolt is affordable, because it only costs $40,000
- Nye talking about how every roof should be covered in solar panels – “its not that hard to create a grid which can accept that energy”.
- Nye thinks some engineer should just create a better battery. “Its not that hard”.
- Once the [wind] turbine is up, its free, in a sense.
- Thinks exhaust from coal plants kills more birds than wind turbines. “We can solve this problem”.
- “Distributing electricity is like a mobile phone – as you drive, your call is handed from tower to tower.”
- Sanders: What are the technologies of the future? “I don’t know what the next innovation is going to be”.
- “Solar panels will become cheaper by not wasting as much silicon”
- “In 30 years we could be 100% renewable. The thing about nuclear plants … people don’t want it around”
- Nye is hoping the discovery of life on another world will unite humanity – hopes space exploration will restore faith in scientists
- Some stuff about the danger of an impact from an Asteroid, and a need to find a way to protect the world from such threats, that I actually agree with.
- Nye thinks renewables will improve quality of life worldwide, and help to prevent terrorism.
Why do I think Nye and Sanders (who as far as I can recall didn’t challenge Nye on anything) are out of touch? The answer is the ridiculous comments they made that all people need to do is come up with $40,000 to buy an electric car, and whatever it costs (likely 10s of thousands) to double glaze their homes, to make the world a better place.
Everyone can afford that, right?
Uh, Chevy makes a “Bolt”? How about “Volt”.
Chevy Bolt, new for 2017.
http://www.chevrolet.com/bolt-ev-electric-vehicle.html
Check out the $7,500 tax credit. Your tax dollars at work.
Hey Everybody:
Let’s Have Fun!
The new Chevy Bolt is internet enabled, From the Chevy website:
So, what’s the estimated MTBH — mean time between hack-attacks?
Better he drive this Bolt.
https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/cruiser-touring/models/bolt-r-spec
He would enjoy life more.
Interesting questions prompted by Nye’s contentions of human delayed ice age, and northern advancing crops.
Question: Would we be in an ice age now if it were not for humans?
Answer: Uhhhhh…thank you?
Question: Would Northern countries not be able to produce wine grapes were it not for humans?
Answer: Errrrrr…thank you?
So many errors. Nine minutes of bias and lousy scientific method or is it open dishonesty? Bill Nye damages the publics understanding of science and the scientific method every time I hear him. Dead wrong on the historical rate of change but then he isn’t concerned with what the actual evidence says because for him it’s a religion.
Funniest part is his projecting cognitive dissonance on others and defining it as exactly the thing he is demonstrating. He describes it as being caused by evidence conflicting with agenda.
” projecting cognitive dissonance on others and defining it as exactly the thing he is demonstrating” Projection is a classic disinformation / propaganda technique. Accuse others of what you are doing to discredit them in advance of their statements : Poisoning the Well.
Well, it should result in learning. But, for far too many people especially those with strong political agendas it doesn’t result in learning. Instead it results in anger.
The latest PSMSL tide gauge updates show the US West Coast sea level readings are lower for 2016 than 2015, and that the highest sea level for the West Coast remains 1983, which was about four inches higher than now. All the panic talk about rising sea level doesn’t’t agree with tide gauge observation records world wide. Sea level at San Francisco has risen less than seven inches in 1855, a period of 161 years, and the rate of increase per century is only 4.25 inches. As would be expected, although SF Bay Area scientists and journalists have easy access to the longest tide gauge record in the Western Hemisphere, they ignore it and predict an increase of five feet by 2100. To achieve that increase, the sea level rate of rise would have to suddenly jump to rates not seen since the rapid ice sheet melt that ended the last glacial period over 10,000 years ago. http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/10.php
BINGO!
Yes, claiming that there’s a sea level rise disaster coming to the West is total bullshit, but the news media out there runs a steady drone of what this that and the other community and organization is doing to fight sea level rise. Lazy reporters are spoon fed obvious lies from the purveyors of the fake news (Bullshit) and simply regurgitate it in their stories.
With renewables consumers are screwed over, businesses are screwed over, and the taxpayers are screwed over … everybody is screwed over. Plus the environment is screwed over, especially with wind. Renewables are a rare lose lose lose lose. Nobody wins with renewables. It’s complete idiocy.
http://3jrjps1t0ztwsakr03fp3bhy.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/b2ap3_large_Screenshot-from-2016-01-17-09303_20160202-215701_1.png
Europe is crippling itself. Crazy.The loss of jobs and higher welfare bills are a real drag on the economies.
The reason why Europe has had such difficulty in shrugging off the financial crash and resultant depression is essentially threefold. First, the welfare state is unaffordable, second high energy costs, and third too large a state/public sector coupled with too much government interference and regulation on businesses. The state/public sector does not earn revenue and is simply a parasite on those that do. It needs drastic ally cutting back.
Europe badly needs to alter its energy policy and open up fracking.
A world where nobody wins seems to be what the progressives ultimately want, because losing hurts peoples’ precious feewings. Tax the successful to buy bread and games for the failures (after quietly skimming off the top to line their own pockets).
Economics says that to get more of something you subsidize it.
To get less of something you tax it.
Liberals want to tax work and subsidize laziness.
Is it any surprise that socialism always fails?
Bill Nye the climate expert…………who didn’t even understand the ideal gas law.
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2015/01/bill-nye-drops-ball-on-deflategate.html
He uses his tv scientist persona to present extreme political views on climate science…..a realm that he has no understanding of. He has a repertoire of 1,000 convincing soundbites on catastrophic global warming(human caused) climate change that he repeats which give the illusion that he understands this topic.
Great actor and communicator. Not so good on authenticity and in some realms, like climate science very bad.
http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NyeMeme_PIC4.png
O/T but this paper is interesting, probably already familiar to many here:
WAS AGRICULTURE IMPOSSIBLE DURING THE PLEISTOCENE BUT MANDATORY DURING THE HOLOCENE? A CLIMATE CHANGE HYPOTHESIS
http://www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/Richerson/AgOrigins_2_12_01.pdf
Title pretty much says it all. I was told as an undergrad in Anthro that humans didn’t farm because they had never seen anyone do it, but that reasoning always seemed spurious — people are always trying new stuff and hunger is a strong problem-solving motivator.
This agricultural study is a great paper Thanks for linking it.
Professionally bow ties are worn by only gynaecologists and clowns.
Bill Nye is absolutely correct in all the issues he presented.
I am just not sure exactly what planet he was talking about. It most certainly was not Earth, of course. Also, it could not be any planet in the Orion cluster or any in the Vega system. The rest, I do not know about.
Hat Tip to Robert Kernodle:
For the great picture of Sanders and Nye with their Interstellar Propulsion Units.
….notice how both have very thin lips. Is there something about men without lips that reminds of of lizards?
Aha! Reptilians, I should have known.
Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar might describe them as being “of the lean and hungry look. They think too much; such men are dangerous.”
Nye talking about how every roof should be covered in solar panels – “its not that hard to create a grid which can accept that energy”
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Nye thinks some engineer should just create a better battery. “Its not that hard”.
So why haven’t you come up the simple answer to these issues then Bill if it’s so easy to solve them? This claim from a guy who fakes the result of simple experiments destined to fail because he’s doesn’t know how things actually work and can’t work out why they don’t work, and doesn’t care if they work as long as people are dumb enough to believe him. Why people keep giving this professional douchnozzle work escapes me,
Some peers of mine once referred to this as “Appeal to Just”.
Nye says, that without human influence, wine worthy grapes could not be grown in Britain. Oddly, the Romans did not have any problems growing wine worthy grapes in Britain. To hear Nye talk, it seems as if he believes that the temperature has increased by 5 – 10 degrees since the mid-19th Century. Nye told Tucker Carlson that Man was responsible for 100% of the recent acceleration in warming. Errors in the measurements overwhelm the acceleration that Nye is referencing.
It seems to me that Nye is not used to answering questions from people who do not agree with him since he was providing answers which were flimsy at best.
“If we ignore climate, we’ll build seawalls – the developing world doesn’t have the resources to build seawalls.”
Is Bernie Sanders sure – who votes for Bernie Sanders / occupy Wallstreet /
can afford to follow up:
“If you put in double or triple glazing, you will save a lot of money, for free”
Nye talking about how he drives a Chevy Bolt – wants to electrify all ground transportation. Chevy Bolt is affordable, because it only costs $40,000
Nye talking about how every roof should be covered in solar panels – “its not that hard to create a grid which can accept that energy”.
And again that wishfull ‘scientific’ thinking:
Nye thinks some engineer should just create a better battery. “Its not that hard”.
Mostly nonsense. Only some points in renewable energy. My question is: How can Bill Nye be made convinced that he is wrong?
Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer and not a climate scientist. According to the alarmists he does not have the expertise to make a presentation regarding climate.
My guess small engine repair?
I almost feel sorry for Bill Nye.
Read his Wikipedia file – sad, funny, entertaining and a bit enlightening. The script: Leonardo D as an engineer aspiring to be an actor.
oops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye
Global warming has caused Bill Nye’s neck to shrink (see the photo). Or his shirt collars to become three sizes too large. There is the proof that climate change is real.
He’s from whatever planet the climate models accurately represent, so it’s okay.
I’m not a climate scientist but I wonder if someone as calculate the lost of reflected solar energy due to solar panel absorption?
Reasoning like Nye can we say that we are in danger of freezing?
@marianomarini :
> I wonder if someone as calculate the lost of reflected solar energy due to solar panel absorption?<
Perhaps it's a cure for urban heat island effect ? 🙂
This article highlights a Bill Nye Al Gore Experiment. I wonder if he is still doing it after it was do thoroughly debunked?
Climate “Science” on Trial; Confirmed Mythbusters Busted Practicing Science Sophistry
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/02/04/climate-science-on-trial-confirmed-mythbusters-busted-practicing-science-sophistry/
Tell that to the Judge:
Climate “Science” on Trial; The Criminal Case Against the Alarmists
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/climate-science-on-trial-the-criminal-case-against-the-alarmists/
Trump is not a scientist and Nye is neither an economist nor a businessman. If Nye wants to convince Trump of the case for renewable energy, he will need to supply the kind of numbers a businessman expects to see. I don’t think Nye can do that because so far nobody has without either claiming a high indirect cost for CO2 emissions or projecting a pending crash in fuel production.
If anyone can show renewables are cheaper, we can just skip the effort of convincing people that CO2 is bad. And if someone can do that, they don’t even need to convince President Trump; take the case to any electric utility currently planning to build a new generating plant.
“Bill Nye wants to convince President Trump renewables make economic sense.”
Great comment Alan. If renewables make economic sense why does any government or politician need convincing? Just build it and make money!
I think this attitude demonstrates just how much these types like Nye and Sanders think of government truly as Mom and Dad who must give their permission and guide every aspect of your life. This renewable argument shows that in fact they can little conceive of any action or aspect of life independent of the state.
Its the Bernie and Son Show! I was going to make a comparison to Sanford and Son, but the were actually trying for comedy.
All I can say is THANK YOU for saving me the time and effort of sorting through their BS!
Both Bernie Sanders and Bill Nye are hard-core anti-nuclear power. Hard-core as in immune to reason and, essentially, politically motivated. Hardly surprising they are renewable muppets, but also politically inept. As they say: “if you want to act on man-made climate warming and against nuclear power then you are pro-blackout”.
What they are actually out of touch with science. Bill “The Science Guy” Nye thinks science is settled. Nye would be hard-pressed to define science.
$37k (which is what Bolts actually cost) – $7.5k Federal Subsidy – $5k Colorado Subsidy – $9k fuel costs over vehicle life (150k miles, 50mpg, $3/gal gas compared to free electricity provided by many employers) – $4.5k much lower maintenance requirements ($300/yr for 15 years) = $11k. Far and away the cheapest new car you can buy when you include all of the subsidies and side benefits.
Or you can just buy a used Leaf for $6-10k or used Volt for $10-15k.
Forget their CO2 claims. Electric vehicles are just great cars. The only regular maintenance item is the tires.
” free electricity provided by many employers”
I doubt that many employers do now, or will continue to do if demand for their free electricity grows.
“– $4.5k much lower maintenance requirements ($300/yr for 15 years) = $11k”
Not so, if maintenance includes the cost of new batteries.